I'll add more tests 1 sec
#general
void void
dusty jasper
(&[a-f\d]\s*(?=&)){2,} try that
wide chasm
Try this one, seems to work for me: ((\&[a-f\d]\s+){2,}(?=(\&[a-f\d])*.+))|^(\&[a-f\d])*$
void void
That one is also very close:
https://gyazo.com/e0c073389241eb72d8d712084f0adb40
dusty jasper
get rid of the $ at the end
void void
That has the same impact
wide chasm
What flags do you have? Test 2 and 3 worked for me. (Haven't seen test 6 though)
dusty jasper
or add \s* near it
void void
dusty jasper
((\&[a-f\d]\s+){2,}(?=(\&[a-f\d])*.+))|^(\&[a-f\d]\s*)*$
void void
/g & /i
dusty jasper
gixsm
heady spear
my stomach decided to have a fucking concert in the middle of the lecture
wide chasm
I tried with gixsm and that seems to work for me.
digital talon
you need to have autism to love regex ^^
vestal jasper
so I assume you're infatuated with it?
dusty jasper
You need to love the Donald to think that you have to have autism to love regex
heady spear
read a book or something and you'll understand that it's not that bloody complicated, dude
wide chasm
I like regex to parse XML
runs
dusty jasper
@void void try this site to learn. https://www.regular-expressions.info/quickstart.html
heady spear
only 3 more hours to go
dusty jasper
I learned a lot from it.
digital talon
I have other issues... but I'm really curious about regex generally 😉
heady spear
nah mate, start out with deterministic automata theory, then once you've mastered that, move one to context free grammars
void void
Its pretty handy but some of the more complex stuff confuses the hell outa me xD Idk how people understand the crazy stuffs
heady spear
when you know how to create pushdown automata, you can learn how to describe PDAs using regular expressions
dusty jasper
@void void try this and see if it works (using only gi flags) (&[a-f\d]\s*(?=[&\s])){1,}
heady spear
Once you understand regular expressions, you can learn about turing recognizable languages in general, and learn how to use GTMs to write algorithms, and boom; now you know programming
digital talon
THAT can't be handy to anyone unless you are a computer xD
void void
xD
heady spear
uh
wide chasm
Well someone had to make the pc
heady spear
without it, we wouldn't have computers to begin with
or programming languages
or algorithms
digital talon
all started with a cooking recipe xD
heady spear
The term algorithm was created specifically to describe turing machines my dude
I am going to starve in these remaining three hours
someone send me some food
wide chasm
But City, if I just place transistors on my silicon, I'll get a PC right? /s
heady spear
also more people should learn about algorithmic complexity, optimization and analysis in general
it would make the programming world less miserable
digital talon
I studied that shit, but I still don't like regex
heady spear
it's also fairly useful to be able to recognize what problems you're able to solve at all
green edge
City, the reason people don't bother is that they don't look toward correctness but monetary gains
People in the IT sector are paid for some extremely easy jobs, just because many people just don't understand how a computer works
heady spear
Now, I'm a bit biased considering I almost exclusively study theoretical computer science. But still
green edge
For example, in my country, you get paid the minimum wage to keep a site on, without having to do web development or any kind of complex work
heady spear
honestly whether or not you like regex is quite irrelevant, it's a necessary tool to describe context free grammars
green edge
just slapping it on a server and keeping it there.
heady spear
You'd like it a lot more than writing bloody transition functions by hand
wide chasm
Regex's main problem imo is that the symbols don't necessarily carry much meaning when just looking at them. It's not clear by looking at (?=) that it's a positive lookahead.
digital talon
regex is really useful and powerful, but it boils my brain xD
green edge
https://regex101.com/ <- Super useful
has a reference, and a place to test your expressions while writing them
dusty jasper
@void void has been using regexr.com
heady spear
The problem with regex is that there are too many flavours
green edge
what i usually do is use my test string as regex and slowly transform it until i get to the place i want
heady spear
We should blame grep for that. Grep is responsible for a lot of the degeneracy in regular expressions.
void void
wait is there something wrong with regexr? xD
heady spear
All you need is ranges and Kleene operators.
digital talon
like assembler in old days... respect to the guys that only had this, but nowadays programming is way more made for humans
heady spear
people still write stuff in assembly language bro
wide chasm
Oh God, the differences between everything are awful.
dusty jasper
what i do is use my imagination to come up with the expression, until either my brain hurts or i fall asleep from leaving the real world too long
green edge
true, but it's still useful to know why something works
void void
xD
digital talon
sure assembly is still a thing to optimize code, but who really uses that?
heady spear
Also, people that make up regex on the spot are the ones that end up with slow expressions and this is why regex is thought to be slow to evaulate
wide chasm
People definitely write Assembly still
green edge
^ IOT
heady spear
... you do realise that you can't just slap C onto some silicon and have a program, right?
dusty jasper
usb rescue software that needs to be compact but feature rich, those are usually asm.
heady spear
You need your languages to compile into machine code, and these tools have to be implemented in some language
green edge
well, to be honest, it doesn't matter as much now city. You can compile the C compiler in C
heady spear
Also, IOT is a good example as well. Most of the time it's a dumb idea to slap an entire runtime onto a circuit to control a bloody door
digital talon
this is not 1980 anymore... who really can code something complex in asm? thats insane
heady spear
If you're building for a pre-existing architecture, then sure
green edge
for IOT devices though, the price of purchasing more expensive hardware just so you don't need to use assembly is not worth it
wide chasm
If you know what you're doing you can definitely make complex stuff in Assembly.
heady spear
Also, you should know how assembly works, if you ever want to write anything remotely performance critical
You should know what the performance penalty of jumps is
green edge
^ Especially on weak processors.
heady spear
how registers work, and where they're used
etc etc
We had to write fairly complex applications in assembly to make traffic lights. It was fun 😛
wide chasm
What I learned in SA is that jumps are terrible for parallelism and caches :)
green edge
were the traffic lights simple timer lights or were they interconnected, for example?
heady spear
Sensor based
Also yes, especially when jumping between subroutines
because in many cases you end up having to swap out the registers
and jumps make it very hard to pipeline code
digital talon
a C dev has to know asm, thats basics. but thats not productive as modern programming languages... my point is just regex is simple/powerful but not easy to write/read
heady spear
so there's a performance penalty in pipelined architectures too
green edge
Depends on what you're building @digital talon . The world is a complex place. There's nothing that's good for everything
If you want to build huge applications then a more high level language is easier to watch over, and requires a less experienced workforce to maintain. You can get 2 students and they can get something working
wide chasm
Yeah, which is quite a shame. Jumps are fundamental for PC's, but make everything quite complicated.
green edge
If you have something critical or something that needs to be upmost efficient, then high level isn't the way to go. If something costs 1$ more to be able to run on C compiled code, and your product already costs 3$, then it's a huge increase for something that's not bringing any usefulness.
heady spear
the biggest problem is that jumping makes it hard to predict what will happen next, so you end up with NOPs and refetching of instructions
wide chasm
Oh, you in class?
heady spear
ye lol
wide chasm
Oh lol
green edge
lol
dusty jasper
can you imagine if all of winders 10 was from asm code instead of multiple languages? talk about speed.
green edge
probabbly awful
wide chasm
Yes, but maintenance though
heady spear
she's got the doctorate in theoretical chemistry
dusty jasper
would be a bitch, i know
green edge
lower language code requires a more experienced workforce. Having something as huge as windows build in asm would take too much time, money and effort
heady spear
she sure knows this stuff, but she's talking about how google is ruining the world pretty much
green edge
^ what's her argument?
wide chasm
Ah, she's that kind of teacher
wide chasm
Lol
void void
is coreprotect working on 1.15 anyone know
heady spear
tEst It
void void
mfw
limber knotBOT
simple: most things are currently not up-to-date to 1.15, but I'm pretty sure some plugins allow you to run plugins that are meant for older versions in newer versions
don't put your money on it though :P
green edge
?
void void
not many api changes afaik so most should be ok
limber knotBOT
yeah
void void
unless nms
limber knotBOT
but OpenInv is broken, and so is SlimeFun
green edge
slimefun is generally broken
green edge
no reason to bother with that codebase
void void
lol good luck with that shit
limber knotBOT
xD
green edge
rather do that from scratch
void void
if you touch that code you may as well be diagnosed with the black plague
heady spear
o wow
void void
yeah most of us in here have
limber knotBOT
lmfao simple
heady spear
I wish I had 2
void void
what... lol
quasi valley
I’ve also written a broadcast plugin from scratch!
green edge
does anybody have the video with the endlesss nested scheduler tasks?
void void
lmao
digital talon
2 of 73 plugins are not working for me... just be patient
limber knotBOT
broadcast plugins, pfft, easy, I made an essentials plugin from scratch
quasi valley
:ooo
void void
oh wow essentials
quasi valley
Dats deep man
void void
have you posted on spigot slime
limber knotBOT
I could, it was mainly custom-coded for my server
no I haven't posted it on spigot
void void
k
limber knotBOT
I should make a highly customisable essentials
void void
lol
limber knotBOT
for example, you know how essentials has basically two colours that you can't change
in my plugin you can change them both o:
quasi valley
Wat?
green edge
?
quasi valley
Pretty sure you can practically change everything in essentials
green edge
messages.properties
limber knotBOT
o
green edge
and if that doesn't work for any reason in any plugin use JarStringEditor
quasi valley
Lol ingenious
limber knotBOT
lol stupid me
digital talon
there is still CMI as competitor for essentialsX
quasi valley
Cmi 
limber knotBOT
how did I never notice that
green edge
yeah, it's a decent plugin
limber knotBOT
mine was essentials with all of the useless features removed :p
green edge
just don't use those features?
digital talon
get $$$ and release your plugin 😉
green edge
if they don't run, they don't affect you
quasi valley
Which is essentially what every dev does once in their lives
void void
i mean, the point of essentials is that it has a lot of shit in it in case you need it
limber knotBOT
be goodnight
quasi valley
Doesn’t make it better tho
limber knotBOT
gn!
void void
at least essentials gives up its commands willingly if another plugin tries to register them
can yours do that? :^)
green edge
that's something i didn't think about
digital talon
essentials is very devote ^^
green edge
the good thing about having an essentials plugins on spigot is that you can update it with whatever stupid idea comes to mind. Somebody will eventually find a use for it
quasi valley
Even tho the code base is so old I still don’t see a reason to code that stuff myself
Other than learning stuff ofc
digital talon
I still have both running... essentialsX and cmi... in long term I tend to switch back to essX
maybe someday they will get used to the new stuff like WE/WG does... like clickable texts
green edge
There are lots of old plugins on spigot that are worth recoding
take easybackup, sold for 12.5 EUR and has over 2700 purchases
doubt it'd take more than 1 week to re-do that and do it and add more features in
digital talon
I really loved PerWorldPlugins... it is still working but needs an update
quasi valley
Isn’t that like 4 years old 👀
heady spear
update fawe :3
digital talon
Still working for me in 1.15.1 😉
quasi valley
Oh lol
vestal jasper
FAWE 1.1457 when
digital talon
it has issues with the new chat since 1.13... but still prevents all plugin events in worlds you don't want plugins to be active
@normal echo if you are listening... pls update ❤️
normal echo
nope
quasi valley
myles is always listening
normal echo
^ true
vestal jasper
perworldplugins 
digital talon
oh wow he is listening... thanks for that great plugin
it just needs some help to be great again :/
green edge
why don't you just use bungeecord?
digital talon
thats not the same
normal echo
It's a lot cleaner to use Bungee
lament crystal
So guys, I honestly can't find anywhere else to ask, but a random question: On the Dynmap plugin, is there a way to make markers appear larger on the map?
They're tiny
digital talon
even with bungeecord you can have diffent worlds and want to disable a plugin completly in that world
green edge
the plugins can enable per-world support if that's useful for them
digital talon
have you ever tried to reach a dev? thats the most useful plugin I ever found... add or remove a plugin to a world and fixed ^^
vestal jasper
no offence to the plugin or myles but that solution is a giant fucking hack / bodge
green edge
i'm a developer myself for some pretty large plugins. Most times the developers answer, especially when they have an interest in the plugin
PerWorldPlugins is, just as vic said, a hack. It will cause unwanted behaviour in many plugins. For example i read and modify packets on the go for LagAssist, indifferent of world. I doubt PerWorldPlugin would prevent that
digital talon
It is still working 100% for me since 1.8.8... I never had any problems
vestal jasper
I'm totally famous /s
green edge
what plugin is that?
heady spear
almost more famous than me wth
void void
hmm 
does bstats have an api
vestal jasper
MineTinker, I'm not the main dev of it but 1/3rd to 1/2 of the code is mine at this point
green edge
vestal jasper
its code is pretty 
I've rewritten the entire thing for Sponge and it's much much better
heady spear
sometimes I regret adding a toggle for metrics
I want to know how many people use it for realsies
vestal jasper
I'm still ironing out some issues with the sponge version and then I plan to release it on ore
heady spear
considering minor versions get way more downloads than 2982
I'm going to assume the real number is a lot higher
green edge
technically, you could create a server crawler to get that
void void
I think I'll add some bstats info to the banners :) https://bstats.org/help/rest-api
wahoo
green edge
if somebody has nothing to do and wants to experiment with crawling game servers for plugins, it's a good project to get your name heard
get bots to join servers, understand how to join sub-servers and analyse plugins used
void void
so like what, it's gonna literally join and look lmao
quasi valley
ur a scrub city
heady spear
fucking multiverse is in the lead
quasi valley
irrelevant
digital talon
thats what I'm talking about: multiverse + pwp is OP!
green edge
😄
quasi valley
then you can add to the title "More downloads the libs disguises!"
heady spear
but with correct grammar
lament crystal
Anyone have any ideas for my way above question? If not, can someone link me to a better place to ask?
void void
look at those 4 stars 
https://banner.mcbanners.com/resource/1177/banner.png?template=mango
heady spear
fuck off
people are just scared of IS
they think we're daesh so they rate us poorly
quasi valley
you should also add separators in the numbers simple :p
quasi valley
ah
void void
ill fix it later
green edge
@lament crystal did you check the dynmap configs?
lament crystal
alright, I'll look
void void
if you want to use that banner in a sig i recommend adding &res_name_display=LagAssist
otherwise title gross :(
green edge
true
dusty jasper
@lament crystal The image in the file should be 8x8, 16x16 or 32x32 pixels in size.
lament crystal
I saw that, but I'm wondering if there's just a way to scale up the markers on the web map.
Make the 32x32 images appear 64x64, for example
green edge
yeah, just fiddle with the scale in css
lament crystal
I'm looking
void void
scaling
green edge
lol
void void
:D
quasi valley
perfection
lament crystal
This might be it?
.dynmap .mapMarker .markerIcon16x16 {
margin-top: -8px;
margin-left: -8px;
width: 16px;
height: 16px;
}
I'll try to change it
void void
that would be the 16x16 ones
green edge
seems like it (for the 16x16 size)
vestal jasper
lament crystal
All the markers on the map seem to use that class
vestal jasper
half of spigot in a nutshell
the other half are 3 minute skripts that retards put together claiming to be famous plugins
vestal jasper
haha me skript me worldedit
green edge
https://banner.mcbanners.com/resource/70644/banner.png?template=mango&res_name_display=Don't mind me
quasi valley
or something like BetterEssentials lol
green edge
SmarterMobs
lament crystal
Alright, modifying the css did not seem to work.
dusty jasper
make sure to do a hard refresh of the page
dusty jasper
lol
lament crystal
But thanks
dusty jasper
make sure to change the margins from -8 to -(half of the final size you choose)
lament crystal
Is there a way to force a hard refresh for everyone connecting so they get the update?
worn pasture
What's the margin for?
limber knotBOT
you can stop the server and start it ;b
dusty jasper
yes, go to their computers and use ctrl+f5
void void
Nope Guy, however the cache will clear itself on its own as time passes
wind mauve
Does anyone know if modded minecraft can run plugins? IE if i had a sky factory 4 server could it run plugins
void void
Or you can tell them to ctrl+f5
worn pasture
Positioning probably better done with transform: translate
lament crystal
Alright
lament crystal
Using a bot as a user seems strange
heady spear
There’s sponge for forge
void void
they're on IRC
lament crystal
ooh
limber knotBOT
I am on IRC! hello!
heady spear
If you don’t mind using a super out of date mc version
lament crystal
makes sense
dusty jasper
there's sponge fur soaking up water
wind mauve
i been looking at how to auto-generate an island for new players and the pack's wiki says to use command blocks -_-
quasi valley
other than sponge it's only stupid hacks
heady spear
Ur face is stupid hack
dusty jasper
*is a
quasi valley
I have a nice moustache!
heady spear
Okay I decided to skip the last two hours of the lecture
void void
does anyone remember where that mc world size (as in disk space) calculator for a world border is
dusty jasper
be funny if the lecture is only 90min long
void void
or was it just an equation
heady spear
She was talking about RSA and my stomach started sounding like a chainsaw and everyone did annoying shit and also the lighting in the room wasn’t inspiring
green edge
it's a simple equation
heady spear
The lecture was 4 fucking hours
lavish siren
green edge
get a fully generated region file, get how many region files would be in your world and multiply
dusty jasper
you mean it was a 4 hour orgy and you left it?
lavish siren
aaa
lament crystal
bbb
limber knotBOT
ok how to use this stuff
void void
meh whatever too lazy for that shit
heady spear
I wish
void void
thanks tho
worn pasture
4 hour orgy is pretty short
dusty jasper
says the 4incher...
worn pasture
3.5 actually
lavish siren
discord-irc ftw
dusty jasper
lol
green edge
i hate the fact that most nice mechanics are reserved for large networks only
since smaller servers don't benefit
vestal jasper
@wind mauve yes but no
SpongeForge and Sponge, yes
Bukkit and Forge, please kill me don't do this
dusty jasper
all the talk about sponges... what about rubbers, pills, or the shot?
quasi valley
just give yourself the shot
worn pasture
dusty jasper
i'm a guy, wouldn't work on me
digital talon
ok guys... I am not gay, but I have to leave a message:
@normal echo hey sorry for pinging you, but really PWP made my admin-life so easy. I started with a hosted server, so no bungee was possible but PWP gave me so many possibilities. Some plugins does not provide per world support or per world permissions. I am still using it on 1.15.1 on my testserver. Thanks for that plugin!!!
dusty jasper
plot twist, he's gay
digital talon
❤️
quasi valley
plot twist, he pinged a notable again 
limber knotBOT
wonders what doing /me in irc does
lavish siren
oo
vestal jasper
@heady spear why won't you love me like you used to
dusty jasper
using /me in irc makes your name appear as an action vs a message
it's a description vs message
vestal jasper
also
per world permissions
fyi it's the permissions plugin that does per world permissions
the plugin should use permissions by default tbh
digital talon
that plugin does nothing with permissions it handles plugin events
vestal jasper
like it takes maybe 2 seconds to type out permissions checks in code
ur retarded
i'm not talking about perworldplugins
limber knotBOT
o:
vestal jasper
i'm talking about the plugins without permissions necessitating the use of PWP
wind mauve
@vestal jasper hmm, seems modpack servers are a pain in the ass then lol.. it's only for friends so ill just manually run the command when new people join
vestal jasper
what server version and what are you trying to do
just run a command on new player join?
wind mauve
basically, version im not sure tbh i rented a server from ggservers and put sky factory 4 on it
heady spear
@vestal jasper I’ve replaced you with simple
lavish siren
aaa why is that name so long
heady spear
He’s smarter and hotter and more fun and also better at being mean to me
void void
shut the fuck up you nasty bitch
heady spear
❤️
green edge
has anybody here used fluidstack with larger ip ranges here?
limber knotBOT
/nick superduperdiscodingothingy
vestal jasper
@wind mauve looks like forge 1.12
I'll prob whip up a forge env and make a simple new join command mod for you
I've got nothing better to do for the next 4 hours
digital talon
you guys don't get it? PWP is easy to setup even if there were dumb plugindevs without permissions/perWorldConfigs
green edge
we do, it's just not worth the time
such a plugin takes a lot of hacking to get done, and in the end it only helps a small portion of the community that doesn't have the money to get bungee
dusty jasper
@lavish siren she bet you?
digital talon
I pay 50€ per month and still use PWP... me dumb xD
lavish siren
lolll
green edge
what do you pay 50EUr a month for?
digital talon
a dedicated server?
green edge
you can get some dedicated servers for that much
dusty jasper
and on irc, the name length is usually like 30 to 32 characters max
green edge
and use bungee instead
digital talon
I was using a hosting service in the beginning... now I switched to a dedi-server
heady spear
We spend nearly $1000 a month on maintenance cost for an unreleased server lel
green edge
oof
green edge
why so much city?
void void
bc hes a dumbass
limber knotBOT
too long?
heady spear
Server costs mostly, we are trying to balance things properly before releasing lol
peak dirge
We spend... $1400 per month on a production server
peak dirge
But believe me, it was even worse before
green edge
generally you can build your server on only 1 - 2 machines and then deploy when you're ready
and you get rid of wasted money
heady spear
Then add a couple of thousands for developers
green edge
we pay 1000$ a month to sustain 1500+ players at gamster
heady spear
And another thousand or so for designers
green edge
and we're spending too much
lavish siren
Wolfie: [Why not MsSlime?], because I'm a boy!
heady spear
Then music production
I mean I’m not paying so I don’t care that much
I get paid :)))
green edge
yeah, i get where you're going :)))
digital talon
thats a free noncommercial server... I don't get a cent back
green edge
generally, I advise server owners that follow those steps to stop
since most fail. In general you earn more having a loyal client than one that fails in 1 -2 months
heady spear
Yes, I would too. Unless you’re doing something extraordinary it’s not worth the investment
green edge
Had worked with a company in belgium as a sysadmin and developer, they paid thousands in advertising without having half a server done
heady spear
But I’ve been working on the server for almost two years
green edge
had no plans for how the server was even going to function really
heady spear
Two years and counting, apparently. It’s been my main income source during uni lol
green edge
once released, they had 300 players joining. IN half an hour, 100
in 1 day, 20
and then they closed
void void
inb4 that happens to dyescape :^)
heady spear
Yup. If you want to be able to sustain the initial player counts you need to plan ahead. It’s mostly about marketing.
peak dirge
But at least now we're starting to have our work pay off soon
green edge
it's not that, they had nothing prepared
i've joined their team 3 weeks before the release, they had nothing done
heady spear
We’ve had most of the server costs covered by early access packages
peak dirge
Mineteria is finally getting somewhere
green edge
they didn't even have a document detailing what they wanted. Each day some new idea needed to be done without the old ones being finished
heady spear
People have paid us to play and report bugs
green edge
so in the end the person lost 9000 EUR, i only got paid for half of my work
It's one of those bets that don't pay off
If it all went well i could've earned a passive income of 500 / month without doing anything for sysadmin work
heady spear
There’s loads of horror stories like that. That’s why I’ve originally only joined established networks
green edge
well, it's easy to spot them
i was pretty certain that was going to happen from the get-go, but i've done a bet
heady spear
This is the one exception, because I really believe in the vision of the owner. He’s been pouring money into the development for years at this point, so he sure believes in it as well.
green edge
when you have somebody with too good to be true claims and no experience, it's clear where it goes
digital talon
lol... so 600€ for charity(myPuplicServer) each year was quite cheap xD
heady spear
Honestly tho people think you have to be super original and whatnot in order to succeed
The owner of minecade (RIP) is proof that it’s not true
worn pasture
Well it helps
heady spear
He just absorbed other concepts and made a shit tonne of money from that.
green edge
clone a good server, add 2 new aside what you copied from others
and invest in advertising
heady spear
Then they got sethbling to promote their shit and boom
He paid well though. But he’s supposedly super dead
His Mexican network is gone but minecade has been revived somehow
green edge
well, that's the market nowadays
it annoys me some times when i see how few servers innovate in any way
heady spear
He also did this weird thing where he’s merge with other servers, steal their player base and then let the server die
DungeonRealms is an example of that
green edge
business decisions
worn pasture
That seems a bit scummy
green edge
that's what happens when money is your only end goal
heady spear
But hell, we had a great infrastructure
green edge
everyone with more than 1000 people has to have a good infrastructure
heady spear
And everything was planned extremely well
green edge
so tbh it's not that astounding
heady spear
I enjoyed working for him tbh
I’ve seen some shit my dude
Some servers are miracles considering how they’re operated and maintained
green edge
it's not hard to earn off minecraft at all
heady spear
It’s harder than it used to be tbf
green edge
yeah, that's obvious
green edge
at the same time though, the money earned has also increased
heady spear
Because now there are these mega networks that rule the industry
green edge
a manager that worked for archon told me that archon made 80k profit each month
heady spear
Which also makes it harder for independent developers to earn money
green edge
not really city, if you have a name people start looking for you
heady spear
I mean I’m happy because I’m able to make a living from the game still lol
grizzled hearth
What is a good free obfuscator for strings?
heady spear
So I am not complaining
Hell, I’d earn way less working as a junior developer for a local company
green edge
^
i'm earning off minecraft more than what many seniors in my country earn, and when talking about pay per hour, i'm on top of the chart
void void
I fucking love Mark Rober holy shit https://youtu.be/a_TSR_v07m0
green edge
minecraft is a profitable venue, it just takes experience to get the handles of it
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Porch Pirate vs. Glitter Bomb Trap 2.0 - length 18m 15s - 1,153,896 likes, 15,894 dislikes (98.6%) - 20,534,850 views - Mark Rober on 2019.12.15
void void
it sprays fine glitter, fart spray, a fake bomb countdown, and a fake police scanner chatter
and full 360 camera
heady spear
I’m not planning on going into software engineering anyway so the lack of irl experience doesn’t bother me
green edge
and if some smart thief steals it, they get 4 phones
void void
yeah but oh well
heady spear
It’s a bit sad because it’s hard to translate these skills into a professional resumé
void void
porch pirates are not smart usually, they're fuckin retards
green edge
true
void void
but he intends for it to be stolen, all the pranks inside are intended to get them to throw it out, and he has gps so he can come get it
especially the police scanner lmao
heady spear
I’m hired as a junior systems developer, so that’s what I put on my CV. I guess I can throw around buzzwords like database integration, server protocols and whatnot lel
green edge
you can probabbly get quite a bit of eyes if you mention plotssquared in an interview
heady spear
People don’t tend to appreciate game modifications tbh
But it has grown to a decent size so it’s proof of some OSS management skills
green edge
the owner of gamster went to an interview, mentioned managing gamster and got hired even with his complete lack of knowledge in what he was hired to work for
heady spear
I tend to open source all of my projects, it looks good on github
green edge
it's all about wording it in a way that somebody outside the game knows the effort that went into it
worn pasture
Pretty sure the LuckPerms web editor got me my new job lmao
They were really impressed
heady spear
My web server got me into uni tho
So it wasn’t a complete waste of time
Just invest some time in building a portfolio, no matter what it is
green edge
it's all about knowing how ot self-advertise your work
This is what i've managed to build based on my experience in a game
heady spear
They asked if I had any programming experience and I was like yeah kinda I made a web server for fun and they were like oh let us see
So I showed them the project and they just looked at the commit count and were like aight
worn pasture
he's commited
wide chasm
Every commit a single line change 🙂
fallen jungle
what if I commit a huge project all at once
heady spear
Show them the file count
fallen jungle
which could be pretty darn near reality because I'm bad at Gitting
heady spear
I have both a lot of files and a lot of commits
worn pasture
It's just package.lock changes
heady spear
So they’ll get a massive boner from that
wide chasm
345 files for me apparently, that should do the trick
heady spear
I intentionally commit code reformats after feature implementations
fallen jungle
I have no big projects to show off :(
green edge
learn to use corporate bullshit. Cashier at mcdonalds -> Working in the financial sector for a fortune 100 company
heady spear
692 commits and 17.6k lines of code apparently
wide chasm
Lol Stefatorus
heady spear
Use openhub, they give you loads of impressive sounding metrics
Well documented source code :)))
wide chasm
I'm sure that is true
vestal jasper
DID SOMEONE SAY DUCK
wide chasm
We're all very good at documentation here
heady spear
PlotSquared has 3.3k commits and 57k lines of code
But poor source code documentation
Okay that’s fair
vestal jasper
ok but how many tens of that is your code
heady spear
A lot of it is mine tbf because I wrote a good portion of the initial code
wide chasm
I think all of my methods, classes and fields are documented. Not all very good documentation, but it's there.
vestal jasper
a good potion of initial code
90% of its original code was ripped from plotme
heady spear
The generation code etc is a minor part of plotsquared
vestal jasper
ok city
heady spear
The generator code was originally stolen from plotme lmao so like 2 files
heady spear
PlotSquared is maintained by a large development team apparently
Aka Matt and I? Sometimes Jesse lol
An estimated 14 years of effort :)))
Tbf I managed to erase the entire commit history in early 2014
We also changed from gitlab, so none of the sketchy shit is visible 😉
quasi valley
oh boy
green edge
void void
lmao
heady spear
Okay the mc community owes me 700k
wide chasm
What's that from? Also OpenHub?
worn pasture
i'll give you 70c
heady spear
Ye it’s from openhub
quasi valley
I'll give you 7c
vestal jasper
city when you purge this world of half its population remember my orange name in your server
heady spear
Fair
You should become a hegemony patron too so we can force you to find bugs for us
grizzled hearth
What is a good free obfuscator for strings?
void void
Across all Java projects on Open Hub, 31% of all source code lines are comments.
For PlotSquared, this figure is 14%.
This lack of comments puts PlotSquared among the lowest one-third of all Java projects on Open Hub.
A high number of comments might indicate that the code is well-documented and organized, and could be a sign of a helpful and disciplined development team.
could be a sign of a helpful and disciplined development team
green edge
why do you need obfuscation MrMaurice?
void void
you aren't helpful or disciplined and it's got it right on the money
heady spear
The PlotSquared team is most certainly not disciplined lmao so it’s not wrong
My personal projects are well documented 🙂 I’m not the problem
Also what’s the deal with Cheeto man
green edge
bukkit scores under you
heady spear
Is he going to appear in court or something I don’t get it Americans edumacate me
green edge
void void
what will you give me if i comment every (non implementation detail) method
heady spear
A kiss
void void
hmm
heady spear
On the cheek
heady spear
Buttcheek
quasi valley
it's a scam simple
heady spear
I’m selling sexual favors in return for PlotSquared contributions
quasi valley
don't take anything less than you deserve!
void void
LUL
heady spear
I’ll advertise PlotSquared as a unopinionsted and sophisticated multi-platform voxel game world management solution
Good spelling
Awesome fucking auto correct never corrects actual typos
quasi valley
more often than not it even screws word into completely wrong sentences lol
heady spear
But if you write fuck it gets super hype about ducks
woven otter
ducks 🤔
digital talon
thats one of the "1.8 kiddie plugins" I won't ever support xD
heady spear
?
quasi valley
city is 12 years old, so sounds accurate
quasi valley
I'll tell my mom to tell your mom that you were mean! 
digital talon
ok lets get serious again... who needs p2?
quasi valley
we use it for build trials for example
heady spear
A lot of people considering the amount of DMs I get about it
green edge
PlotsSquared runs on many production servers
heady spear
I don’t give a flying fuck about creative plotworlds to be totally honest
I played on one back in 2014
Then I completely lost interest in them. I don’t play Minecraft at all. I don’t get the hype. But people using the plugin, so I’ve put in some effort to try to keep it alive
wide chasm
P2 is more than just a world generator though
heady spear
I’ve seen people create interesting survival concepts using plots
quasi valley
I want to see you do such a plugin :p
heady spear
Schematic support made a lot things possible
It also supports plots in vanilla worlds, which gives you loads of opportunities to innovate
Or vanilla worlds in plots, if you want lol
You can also use the plugin to allow people to claim individual worlds and setup flags and membership hierarchies
digital talon
If I see any server with standard plots I will leave
wide chasm
Why?
void void
says the guy who runs pwp lmao
quasi valley
^
digital talon
easy to administrate but boring for players
quasi valley
well if you don't properly set it up
green edge
there's no current solution that's better for large playercounts
void void
you dont know that as a general fact...
green edge
some servers like creativefun built a lot on the plots idea
void void
lots of people clearly like it
green edge
they have per-plot ranks and minigames
players do like it
Obviously, it's better to have some more integrated areas if you don't plan on having something focused on creative, such as rentable homes; but it's too tedious to be done on many servers
digital talon
sure I can imagine that as "minigame" but not as survival world
green edge
even then, it works in some occasions
Prison, for example
it gives players the ability to do something else except whacking the ore 24/7
void void
i can see it working really really well on a prison server actually if you have a "cells" (plots) world where each player has a small cell in which to build and design with collected materials
digital talon
yes that sounds reasonable
worn pasture
sounds like a lot to set up
void void
yeah but cool
void void
lul
worn pasture
you can whack my ore
green edge
have a cell schematic as the plot world
heady spear
It generated cells both horizontally and vertically :3
green edge
oh
digital talon
I should sell my CityBuildPlugin based on WG ^^
digital talon
good night 🙂
BeeHivesTrees should be vanilla!
and this is another example why PWP is so usefull -> it has no per world permissions nor per world config ^^
vestal jasper
mfw why am I so retarded
I just rewrote a method because I had to expand on it and I just realised there was an insanely simple solution to do things
void void
Is it possible to change the messege
Failed to login Try to restart your game
Or something like that
autumn pilot
green edge
@void void if you're really adamant in trying to show that to users, you could technically hack the server to take over in the verification by making the server offline-mode and then adding a third party method for checking if the player is logged in. If he isn't, show him your own message.
void void
Hey so I subscribed to #announcements in my server
just got the announcement, it's a little... late?
wide chasm
Yeah, it was just published, see #paper-help
void void
Oh.. so there's a delay between posting and publishing?
wide chasm
Publishing needs to be done manually after posting, which was only done now.
peak dirge
someone's been Googling minecraft openj9... https://www.reddit.com/r/Optifine/comments/c4xkc3/tutorial_updating_your_java_for_performance/es04nzv/
🤢
TIL OptiFine team recommends OpenJ9 for the client too?!?
void void
Well, that's kind of.. worthless. I subscribed to it in my server so people could let me know when an update was out, or so I could share with my server so that they would know as much as I did. Kinda worthless to subscribe to it on my server if it's going to take a while to go through to my server when I can just use push notifications on #announcements and leave it at that..
wide chasm
Well, then use your own solution.
vestal jasper
or bitch at discord until they decide to let you subscribe to unpublished announcements
void void
I'll do the later.
Though, interesting concept to be able to publish updates to your server while also being able to use the same channel for server meta stuff and not publishing the meta stuff.
That being said, how is publishing done? Do you need to rightclick the message or push a button?
upper flicker
there's a button
wide chasm
There's a publish button on the message, which you need to click.
void void
Seems like it'd be obvious to just use the same warning for using @everyone and ask the user if they'd like to publish to X amount of servers.
And clicking no = no publish, but message still sent.
upper flicker
if you click no it literally just doesnt send the message last I checked
pulsar wigeon
discord is not known for good UX decisions
upper flicker
but no we dont want everything in there published
void void
I'll keep that in mind, wiz.
upper flicker
and discord seems to agree with that paradigm for better or worse
worn ember
what are we talking about exactly?
void void
Bad discord ui
glad chasm
Upgrading 250gb 1.14.4 world to 1.15.1, wish me luck loool
worn ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wide chasm
Discord is stupid like always
worn ember
no ones forcing you to use it :p
worn ember
as if thats any better
wide chasm
That doesn't mean they have to make it bad though
void void
That's the reason why people use discord.
wide chasm
DS pictochat, I'll join room C
void void
The only alternative chat might be telegram, but that requires phone verification and doens't have light theme on web.
Also just bad ui. Servers = friends somehow.
merry tinsel
i use light theme
wide chasm
According to your grammar, you really are old.
merry tinsel
also, i use some discord-like thing called "riot" (based on some underlying tech thing called "matrix") but not nearly as popular as discord
void void
Guys light theme is bad for your eyes
If you're using Chrome and you haven't turned on chrome://flags/#enable-force-dark then you either need to do that now or get your eyes checked for potential damage
worn ember
says the guy using white theme
merry tinsel
i keep my room light on
worn ember
wait thats the other guy
void void
I remember back when people could mod the old mc launcher to be dark theme
worn ember
wtf stop confusing me
upper flicker
they made it less obnoxiously awful with the last set of theme changes
worn ember
life is too hard
upper flicker
before that it was just horrible. The contrast was bad. The thing was too bright. It was monkaS
void void
and it's dark if you're using dark system theme
upper flicker
it doesnt
void void
Last I checked. Requires you to install a dark theme with gnome-tweaker or something
using gnome, that is, I mean
upper flicker
no
wide chasm
It's still bad, I just checked
quasi valley
wat
upper flicker
I think the old launcher still works
but the one they distribute as "for linux" today right now is the new one
void void
Then I mean the old one in the AUR
upper flicker
mojang's launcher in the AUR is the new one
void void
Oh
worn ember
is this the new Leaf?
void void
Guess I haven't used the AUR in a long time
upper flicker
it wouldnt surprise me if the old one was published in there somewhere
its the AUR
void void
@worn ember ?
worn ember
AUR?
void void
Arch user repository
upper flicker
worn ember
yikes
void void
basically windows store but at least x12 better and actually useful and people actually use it
merry tinsel
i run debian
void void
Think chocolatey, if chocolatey was built into every windows computer
upper flicker
chocolately is bad
worn ember
only 12x? sounds trash then
void void
give me alternative and I'll gladly use
upper flicker
windows person's idea of how a package manager should work, duct taped together to actually work on windows
void void
Yeah sorry I'm bad at math
upper flicker
dont like comparisons to linux package managers
void void
I forgot 12 x 0 is still 0
worn ember
linux package managers are actually nice since they're fully integrated in the system
unlike windows fuckery
void void
Well I mean, it's pretty comparible. Type a command, have it install the program. Replace sudo apt get minecraft -y with choco install minecraft -y and it's essentially the same thing.
Only comes down to the fact that no one uses it so it's pretty crap in terms of testing and programs added.
upper flicker
its pretty comparable in that its a package manager
in terms of implementation and everything else, its not
void void
Again, that's windows.
merry tinsel
chocolatey is some type of package manager for windows?
void void
Windows is just crap in terms of "good stuff".
worn ember
either they fully implement it of they fuck off with their store
void void
@merry tinsel https://chocolatey.org/
worn ember
id prefer the later tbh
merry tinsel
cool thanks
void void
@green edge i am trying to show the players that they need to buy the minectaft to join the server, some of them dont know what that means
It's pretty nice for windows, but only because there are no alternatives.
I mean there's
upper flicker
windows does have a package management concept but its not really used by third party stuff and the packages are pretty different in concept
void void
what's ti called?
upper flicker
theoretically you could build something off of it but I havent seen anyone who really wants to
worn ember
probably for good reason lul
void void
There's ninite, but ninite doesn't have a lot of stuff
Plus choco can upgrade your programs (which i don't use so I can't say if it's good or not, so it's probably bad)
upper flicker
choco will lose your install options when you upgrade your programs
sadly
so if you installed git and said "hey dont put shit in my context menu"
when you upgrade itll ignore you and do it anyway
thats one of those "duct taped together" issues it has
void void
I install chocolatey whenever I re-install windows just so it saves me the hassle of downloading files and stuff. choco install tixati chrome minecraft java filezilla vlc gimp blender steam hitmanpro etc
upper flicker
because it cant properly talk to the installers
worn ember
get .gitignore d
void void
Oh so upgrade is shit
upper flicker
chocolately packages are just the installers + some text files for metadata
void void
Just another reason why linux is so much better.. I don't get why it's so hard just to impliment things people want without breaking 20 other features and deleting people's documents folder every other update
upper flicker
so you still have kind of a disconnect in the integration
void void
Wasn't literally the search bar broken last w10 update? Again?
upper flicker
I thought they finally fixed search with 1903 or w/e
void void
And then they "fixed" it by literally removing the search engine
upper flicker
idk how it ever broke given it worked pretty well in W7
void void
I don't know how windows 10 is so broken compared to W7
except all the built-in ads and candy crush games that get auto-installed
upper flicker
overall I prefer W10 to W7
but it's got a lot of stupid edges and inconsistencies and dumb stuff that shouldnt have made it past QA
void void
Well, yeah. It's wonderful for gaming, performance-wise.
void void
Though I'd argue it may be because of dx12 being limited.
Still though, ignoring all the bloatware that comes with w10, the performance is amazing in gaming compared to w7.
That being said, isn't linux now faster than windows in gaming? With, like, wine?
upper flicker
there's some quality of life stuff it inherits from W8 as well
since a lot of people skipped it because of the catastrophe of a UI, they'd miss that
void void
What's that new linux distro that's boasting performance faster than windows and actually delivering results?
upper flicker
not aware of one that's new
linux distros have traded blows or surpassed windows in raw performance in most aspects for years
worn pasture
The control panel is still a total sham
upper flicker
steam's proton is starting to bring that to some games as well but it depends on the game, your graphics card, the drivers, what system libraries etc
it's probably not quite there but the future looks bright
upper flicker
yeah pop_os is just ubuntu with some better defaults
void void
Apparently it's getting an average of 14% faster fps in games than windows itself gets
upper flicker
cant imagien it actually does much amazing in regards to benchmarks
worn ember
Daddy Gaben 💦
void void
Well people are talking around reddit and youtube about how it's actually getting better fps on windows games, than on windows
worn ember
ubuntu shivers
upper flicker
in some games it probably is with the right hardware
limber knotBOT
I mean you don't waste lots of resources on Windows itself when running games with proton, lol
upper flicker
AMD's driver is famously awful w/ opengl on windows, but the open source one on linux is actually pretty solid.
void void
upper flicker
stuff like that can make a difference
void void
That's just ubuntu vs pop
upper flicker
windows deciding to do random shit can make a difference
the game can make a difference
that's different video drivers
🙄
worn ember
I don't believe any stats i see
limber knotBOT
you probably get the same when installing that driver on ubuntu and using teh same settings, lol
worn ember
all biased in most cases
upper flicker
vulkan is one of the cases where it is especially promising, broadly speaking
so thats not completely unexpected
worn ember
Vulkan is ❤️
upper flicker
I suspect you could achieve much the same with most any distro though too once you equal out the driver and what not
limber knotBOT
I'm probably gonna have to dive into linux gaming next year when windows 7 support ends :S
olive garden
I like linux gaming
wide chasm
Ah, another person still using Windows 7
olive garden
it involves a lot of wine
upper flicker
bait too low effort
worn ember
something an alcoholic would say
limber knotBOT
nah, just proton
no need to fuck with wine yourself anymore
steam has all the best settings for almost every game ¯_(ツ)_/¯
upper flicker
proton being more focused on games specifically also helps
worn ember
how do you get better performance running games in an emulator than on a "native" system tho 
limber knotBOT
well the thing that really helps is that they have a shared repository with configs that work for the games...
isntead of you having to setup that manually with wine
worn ember
i dont use wine, but i assumed it was an emulator since you run windows games on it?
limber knotBOT
wine is not an emulator
upper flicker
its basically a compatibility shim
"dont look here for X, look here for X"
there's some translation as needed
but thats the broad gist
limber knotBOT
it's just translates windows ddl calls to the appropriate linux ones
fierce drum
limber knotBOT
*dll xD
void void
I never understood that, how is wine not an emulator?
upper flicker
because emulator has a very specific technical meaning that wine doesnt fit into
worn ember
well i did try it once years ago. So probably improved a lot since then but at the time some of the games i wanted to play just randomly crashed or didnt run at all
limber knotBOT
an emulator emulates a full system, wine just translates calls
void void
I just want wine to work with anticheats :( will never happen, rest in peice R6S
limber knotBOT
you don't get a windows os with wine
worn ember
do DirectX games work on it?
void void
I think a recent update made them compatible, yes.
limber knotBOT
how about not playing shitty games that require an anti cheat, lol
void void
In fact, wine 4.0 can use dx12
upper flicker
tbh I dont think any anticheat will work well with it until games are designed with it in mind
untold basin
upper flicker
luckily I pretty much dont play anything with anticheats
limber knotBOT
I doubt dx12 wouldn't be possible on w7 if one really wanted to get it running
untold basin
Can someone create a restart bat file for me? Cause i dont know...
limber knotBOT
directx 10 was available for xp too and never officially released
worn ember
why would they add support for old OS's
void void
Not sure, all I know is that microsoft tried pushing players to w10 by making dx12 a w10 exclusive
worn ember
^^
limber knotBOT
according to microsoft it's not available on windows 7
worn ember
wow nerds spending all their money on shitty dlc's and subscription they cant even get systems worthy of running W10
thats probably why
limber knotBOT
maybe win 10 just sucks more than your avarage windows
I mean win 7 is the new xp, lol
void void
Oh that's cool
When you google "minecraft java 8 vs java 13" you get my subreddit post at the top
upper flicker
it's still got 30% of the windows market according to web use
void void
with a reply from dinnerbone
upper flicker
so it's going to be a slow decline
limber knotBOT
I wonder if people are going to figure out a way to get the security patches without paying the 450 bucks the next three years, lol
upper flicker
yeah they already have
worn ember
@void void biased results
void void
10 got ruined when they built in ads and candycrush directly into the os
upper flicker
they did it before they started releasing them though so there will probably be a patch for that
void void
next thing you know you'll require a payment of $2.99 to use the search feature
and a monthly subscription of $11.99 to use powershell
limber knotBOT
Reminder for DiscordBot: make some ez cash
void void
inb4 next major windows10 update adds microtransactions
they already have literally ads built into the os
limber knotBOT
pay 2$ to get access to the advanced settings
void void
pay $1 to change your wallpaper once
limber knotBOT
Reminder for @worn ember: make some ez cash
upper flicker
go back to the old ways http://yeokhengmeng.com/2019/12/building-a-new-win-3-1-app-in-2019-part-1-slack-client/
void void
$2 for two monitors
worn ember
buy the season pass to customize your background
limber knotBOT
lol, dat reminder
void void
season pass includes a bulk collection of free images you can choose from
limber knotBOT
lets figure out why that was set ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
void void
but you still require the $1 to change it to a custom one
worn ember
i have to make some more backgrounds for Simple and he said he'd pay me sooo
void void
People don't realize that they can literally get away with anything if they have enough fanboys. W10 could become a monthly subscription and people would pay their heart and dimes out for it.
worn ember
i sure as hell wouldn't
void void
I'm pretty sure it's a big RIP when all of those w7 office computers in hospitals that ran life machines and shiz were forcefully upgraded
merry tinsel
it already spies on lots of stuff and people don't care..
worn ember
if they do that maybe Linux might gain enough traction
void void
Linux did gain a lot of traction
worn ember
not enough to the average consumer
void void
my local mcdonalds uses linux for displaying their menus
merry tinsel
progress
limber knotBOT
the reason why linux never wins against windows is because Microsoft is paying people to use Windows, lol
the open source community doesn't have that kind of money
upper flicker
thats the kind of thing linux has always done well in
void void
mainly 'cause somebody took a picture of a BSOD with w10 and it made it big in my small town
upper flicker
static displays, servers, billboards
most digital billboards are just a raspberry pi anymore
limber knotBOT
I mean linux runs on most systems worldwide ¯_(ツ)_/¯ just not on consumer PCs
worn ember
billboards in my trainstation run W7
void void
The reason why linux will never win against windows because people are just dumb and stupid and like things as "out of the box" as possible. Hence console gamers. They don't care about settings or configuring, they just want to plug shiz up and have it working perfectly.
upper flicker
thats big oof
void void
Same with windows 10.
worn ember
every now and then you see one on the desktop with an error message xD
void void
People just want to plug w10 up and play their games. No one wants to set up linux.
merry tinsel
paying for windows just to use it to display a menu
worn ember
schools also use windows for everything