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pulsar wigeon
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which is straight retarded

limber knotBOT
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then I'm glad that I never got to moving to that though xD

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would be nice to have a global player cache on the whole network though xD

pulsar wigeon
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won't help for regions

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storage type is for the region container

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that all has to be loaded at startup

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sql isn't gonna synchronize that across a network lol

limber knotBOT
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sounds like bad design

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runs

pulsar wigeon
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why?

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what's bad design

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loading all regions?

limber knotBOT
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keep all that info in memory

pulsar wigeon
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you want every call to RegionManager#get(String) to lookup a region in storage?

limber knotBOT
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no, I want to only keep regions in memory which's chunks are loaded

pulsar wigeon
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what

limber knotBOT
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and do region lookup operations by querying the database

pulsar wigeon
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you realize people change flags on unloaded regions

limber knotBOT
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yes, so load, change flag and done?

pulsar wigeon
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that's slow

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why the fuck would you do that

limber knotBOT
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why not?

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why waste memory? lol

pulsar wigeon
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memory is cheap

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region objects are a string and two vectors

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and a map i guess

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also again

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api needs to hit unloaded regions all the time

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really can't be doing storage queries on the main thread

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cuz you know api users aren't using async shit correctly

limber knotBOT
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I guess it's just a couple MB ¯_(ツ)_/¯

fallen eagle
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whoever that was saying stuff about chips is a good person 😂
even its a bit waste of money but who cares joythink

worn ember
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chips good

fallen eagle
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ye

pulsar wigeon
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to be clear, spatial queries run against regions in loaded chunks only

vestal jasper
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me a good person

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ok lol

spare venture
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somehow my python installation is half-corrupted

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yay

void void
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.rekt

limber knotBOT
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☑ REKT to the Future

spare venture
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lord o lord

upper flicker
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I've been thinking

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which is scary in and of itself

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What if this release instead of having the chat flood with people asking when Paper will update

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Everyone goes to the EngineHub discord and asks Wiz when WorldEdit and friends will update

pulsar wigeon
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i'll kick them all

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or ban them

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your choice Z

vestal jasper
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time to get banned from enginehub

queen rapids
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ill join in!

upper flicker
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make sure to polish the hammer tonight

pulsar wigeon
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you know it bb ;^)

vestal jasper
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wiz it's already begun

pulsar wigeon
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who the fuck was that

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they're not even on this discord

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???

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did someone send a secret agent

vestal jasper
upper flicker
fallen oracle
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That's so cool that we can mark messages unread now.

quasi valley
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Thanks Discord, very cool!

pulsar wigeon
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can we all agree to mark glare unread and leave him there

fallen oracle
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😦

fallen eagle
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yo, dont be so mean to glare OOF, come here glare we can go to poland all on me bud joythink

pulsar wigeon
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who tf wants to go to poland

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what kind of vacation is that

fallen eagle
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cheapest place to get drunk 😂

pulsar wigeon
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right, cuz buying plane tickets is really cheap

fallen eagle
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actually yes

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from norway it is 😂

fallen oracle
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I have people within 100ft of me that can get me drunk if I wanted. BUT, it's Monday.

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Still got classes.

pulsar wigeon
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because you can't just knock yourself out with the bottom shelf liquor for dollars on the gallon

fallen eagle
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eh

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we dont have that in norway. everything is so expensive

pulsar wigeon
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you're looking in the wrong places

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try the hardware store

fallen eagle
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its cheaper for me to take plane back and forth in 1 day to get f up

pulsar wigeon
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guaranteed you won't wake up in the morning either :^)

fallen eagle
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i would pay max 50-70usd for plane xD

pulsar wigeon
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that's way more expensive than getting drunk still tbh

fallen eagle
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i cant get that much from a bar in norway with that

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like a beer at a pub is about 10 here 😦

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shots can be cheaper or more expensive but drinks is expensive

pulsar wigeon
fallen eagle
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false info

pulsar wigeon
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what?

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how big is the beer you get at a pub

fallen eagle
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idk what wine is bcs i dont drink that. but 60kr for a beer is so false

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0.5l

pulsar wigeon
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you just said 10

fallen eagle
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10usd

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yes

pulsar wigeon
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ok

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so that's what the fucking image says

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in case you weren't aware

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10 is between 8 and 12

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lmfao

nova badge
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Mmmmm vodka from the bottle.

pulsar wigeon
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anyway, let's say it's 90 krone

fallen eagle
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no its only 1 price

pulsar wigeon
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which is the 10 you were talking

fallen eagle
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ye 90kr is realistic tho

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depends place

pulsar wigeon
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how much is a beer in poland

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for a half liter

fallen eagle
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eh lemme think

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about 10-25kr

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and shots isnt that much expensive either

upper flicker
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asking the important questions in here I see

pulsar wigeon
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ok, let's just imagine that you pay 50 bucks (450kr) to get to poland (and back? you didn't specify), 10kr for a beer in poland, and 90kr for a beer in norway.
you have to drink 3 liters of beer to start getting your money's worth

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sounds like a good night out

fallen eagle
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well its the same size in norway and poland 0.5l

So for me spending 50 bucks or whatever to get there and back is 100% ok for me

pulsar wigeon
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on second though, you might not need the return ticket anyway

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yes i know

fallen oracle
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You're still on this? Damn.

pulsar wigeon
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the calculation assumed same size

upper flicker
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wiz cares a great deal about the most efficient beer

pulsar wigeon
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it also assumes cheapest beer in poland (by your estimate)

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not even gonna start going into the time it takes to take a plane to poland vs just down the street to your local pub or whatever

fallen eagle
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uh

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i can get to poland with 20bucks xD

pulsar wigeon
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see now you're making shit up

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you just said 50-70

fallen eagle
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xD

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i actually checked

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thats only to poland

pulsar wigeon
fallen eagle
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ye for backk and forth

pulsar wigeon
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right ok

upper flicker
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tbh thats pretty cheap

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apparently thats the place to be

pulsar wigeon
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so one way ticket, you get more beer and you're too fucked up to go home

simple mantle
fallen eagle
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true

pulsar wigeon
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also you start drinking at 1 pm apparently

worn ember
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poland is shite

pulsar wigeon
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so you're probably beyond fucked up

upper flicker
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so add money for one overnight room

worn ember
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literally nothing there

pulsar wigeon
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nah, i'm sure he's fine sleeping on the streets

worn ember
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other than camps for people with concentration issues

void void
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i like sleeping

fallen eagle
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well even so its pretty cheap to get urself to poland from norway.

spare venture
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anyone have a favorite service for offsite backups

pulsar wigeon
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not arguing that

worn ember
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one drive

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kappa

fallen oracle
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Don't forget taco money

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I usually get hungry when drunk

pulsar wigeon
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it also takes you an additional 3 hours and 3 liters of beer

fallen oracle
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How big are the backups barty?

void void
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@spare venture DIY. Buy a small backup serbur with lots of space but not powerful, put rsnapshot on it, and then start pulling your backups in

worn ember
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@fallen oracle i got home friday at 3am when drunk decided i wanted pizza xD

spare venture
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@void void got a favorite provider?

fallen oracle
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Yeah I just setup my NAS to backup my VPS weekly.

void void
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SYS usually for me

worn ember
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imagine not running the cloud

void void
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They have a few servers with high space, low other hardware

spare venture
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sys probably a good idea

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kimsufi might even hmm

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heh

nova badge
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One night on the town is 2,858.70 krons if the conversion is right

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My average bar tab

spare venture
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how much is that in freedom

nova badge
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~300$

spare venture
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jesus

void void
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wtf lol

nova badge
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I don't go to town much

upper flicker
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little more than 5 barrels of oil

void void
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neither do I, but i would never drop that much at a bar

nova badge
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I don't go alone.

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I buy my friends drinks too

spare venture
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i spend about $20-40 on an average night

void void
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if i wanted to drink with friends and bar was that much, i'd go to the store and buy a bunch of variety drinks and we all go home and have a lan party with unlimited alcohol

pulsar wigeon
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i spend like $40 on a week's worth of groceries

void void
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max $100 on alc

pulsar wigeon
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what the fuck are you people doing

void void
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max

spare venture
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lol i spend about $100 monthly on groceries

pulsar wigeon
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do you eat rice daily

nova badge
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(don't look at my grocery bill)

spare venture
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meal prep

nova badge
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I'd say groceries come out to ~300 a month too.

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not including dining out

void void
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dont forget that wiz is literally a 90 yo man and he has no teeth, so his groceries consist of tapioca pudding and milk

pulsar wigeon
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hm

spare venture
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cheapest kimsufi dedi is $18 a month, humm

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notbad

void void
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how much space you looking for

spare venture
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uh one sec

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like 100gb

void void
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you dont really need a dedi, just something you have root access on so you can run rsnapshot

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look for a high storage, low resource vps

bright night
void void
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$10 -> 250gb storage, 512mb ram, 1tb bandwidth

spare venture
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yeah I need to reinstall my OS, so

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that looks good

void void
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Is 1tb bandwidth the monthly cap

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yeah probably

spare venture
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thanks simple

void void
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I’ve looked at some dedi servers and not sure if 1-4 tb will be enough for players in a month

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can buy another tb for $7

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you wouldnt use that place for a server

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it's for backups

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Ah

spare venture
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yeah

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no way im clearing 1Tb in backups

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in a month

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and even if i do, idc, i'm mainly doing this because i need to reinstall my OS

void void
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i need coffee

spare venture
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interesting what this means

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ah

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they want me to use it for backups, ok

limber knotBOT
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Hello, what's the Maven link to the 1.8.8 repository

spare venture
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ended up being $6, not bad

void void
limber knotBOT
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I need the Maven link to 1.8.8 because I would like to program a plugin

void void
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Yes that is where you can get the spigot API, which is fully compatible with paper

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hence, max compatibility

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yeah paper doesnt even have a 1.8 artifact in the repo from what i can see

pulsar wigeon
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🚮

limber knotBOT
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thx Simple

upper flicker
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paper has a 1.8.8 artifact

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just under the old group ids

void void
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oh, yeah i didnt check the old datascream

upper flicker
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wow and a 1.7.10 artifact

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man thats a throwback

void void
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wooow

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wait, that's illegal

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destroy it

limber knotBOT
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can you gibe the artifact link please

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give*

void void
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no

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do some work on your own

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it's ez

pulsar wigeon
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pls spoonfeed me

quasi valley
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you're ez

pulsar wigeon
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you shouldn't be talking upside down man

quasi valley
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upsidedownist

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smh

spare venture
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ur ez

quasi valley
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no, simple is ez

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literally

vestal jasper
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@quasi valley did you remember your safety harness this morning?

quasi valley
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wot? Thonk

pulsar wigeon
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he fell into the abyss

quasi valley
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ah rip

pulsar wigeon
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that's what happens when you go upside down and you're not a native upsidedowner

quasi valley
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of course, still hanging on a hook from my ceiling

pulsar wigeon
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aussies and kiwis are born with harnesses

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kenny has to remember to check his constantly

quasi valley
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I'll learn to defy gravity one day

void void
limber knotBOT
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spare venture
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thanks for your help @void void, this'll do

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have to reinstall my OS because my python installation is fucked, and i want to change the raid setup of my drives

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and it would be nice to clean up some of the shit i have on my server

toxic turtle
glossy lake
gloomy sphinx
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I am having a weird fucking issue with debian 10 on my new samsung 970 nvme ssd

crystal otter
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i ate a big burger today

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it came with big fries

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and a big soda

gloomy sphinx
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if I login to root and a user account on two different terminals then create a file or folder in the same directory as root then list the files as root it does not show them

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but if I list them as the user I see them

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if I exit and login as root again I can then see the files

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same for if I remove files

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dafuq is going on here?

crystal otter
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it had bacon and fried eggs in it

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the fries were 🆗

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i rate 4.5/5

golden gust
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Worse part about a muslim household: No bacon

crystal otter
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rest in pieces

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i couldn't live without bacon

golden gust
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Wish it was bacon pieces 😦

crystal otter
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i put bacon on my bread

gloomy sphinx
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my nvme ssd looks like bacon

crystal otter
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is it crispy and extra salty

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and makes you thirsty

gloomy sphinx
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it has lots of bits on it

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could take a big byte out of it and let you know

crystal otter
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🔪

woven otter
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bstats repo still down lefbad

gloomy sphinx
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bstats is always down why dont we just move back to massivestats

crystal otter
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why does everything need to be massive or ultimate or something

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can't we just have regular stats

pulsar wigeon
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what repo is down?

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looks up to me

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yup

woven otter
pulsar wigeon
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that hasn't been used for ages lol

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rtfd

woven otter
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dunno some plugin is using it

pulsar wigeon
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well, they are outdated af

woven otter
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I guess I will go with that then

crystal otter
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bacon is great on bread

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bacon and cheddar and some freshly grilled meat of arbitrary origin

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and whatever extra you happen to have at hand

woven otter
crystal otter
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like tomato slices

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it's literally fucking winter though so grilling things isn't super feasible

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suppose i could but i don't want to stand outside in a blizzard while doing it

woven otter
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dum dependencies

crystal otter
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whoops

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mfw i just randomly click things and discord reacts to something with an awkward emoji

wary hemlock
crystal compass
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is the chunk generation system fixed in 1.15 for the love of god?

spare venture
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no

crystal compass
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rip

spare venture
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unless they fix it today

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lol

crystal compass
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guess we staying at 1.13.2 til 1.16

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😄

crystal otter
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they changed like chunk saving and clientside loading afaik

spare venture
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yeeah

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thats it

wary hemlock
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Ooof

spare venture
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chunk loading is faster client side now

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a fwe other bugs related to chunks, but the goal wasnt performance

crystal otter
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it was

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fucking bees

wary hemlock
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Oh quick question, is there any way to get a paper build for 1.15 early or somethin, I wanna see how much it breaks my plugins

crystal compass
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so, we are going to have yet another unuseable update?

crystal otter
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well

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you get fucking bees

crystal compass
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cancer

limber knotBOT
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Why u staying on 1.13?

crystal otter
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and somewhat better nether portal function

limber knotBOT
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I can understand staying on 12

crystal compass
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1.14 cant run more than 20 players without having <18 tps

crystal otter
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and not broken pillager pathfinding i guess

limber knotBOT
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But 13 makes no sense

crystal otter
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1.13 runs passably as i've heard

limber knotBOT
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Just debug your performance issues then

crystal compass
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hell I can crash my private 1.14 server with 4 people on it by flying with an elytra

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1.14 is trash

quasi valley
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we held 80 at 19.9 tiny_potato

crystal otter
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pregen and prevent people from entering unloaded chunks

quasi valley
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tho without chunk gen, so aaaa_helpme

limber knotBOT
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How come literally everybody updates from 1.13 then?

crystal otter
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because muh pillagers

crystal compass
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All I know is i tried 1.14 4 different occasions with my main server (30-50 players) and i spent a long time debugging performance and eventually was told that there was nothing I could do about my 2tps

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so I went back

limber knotBOT
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Then whoever told you that is an idiot

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There is always something you can do

crystal compass
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I even put the world on peaceful and it barely helped

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lmao

crystal otter
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when in doubt

limber knotBOT
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I haven't updated either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

crystal otter
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bungeecord the server so every chunk is on its own instance

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that ought to do it

limber knotBOT
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but that's more me being lazy

crystal compass
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yeah idk

limber knotBOT
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(and not trusting 1.14 xD)

crystal compass
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lot of people left my server because we're on 1.13.2 still but

limber knotBOT
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Wait

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You don't have viaversion?

crystal compass
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I cant attend my server 24/7 to restart it everytime it crashes

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on 1.14

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Yes I do

crystal otter
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kek

limber knotBOT
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Or did they leave because of missing content?

crystal compass
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yes

crystal otter
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imagine

crystal compass
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I am running a survival server so

crystal otter
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imagine leaving because no pillagers

golden gust
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huggles flyway

spare venture
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1.14 is runnable

spare venture
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just if you want more than 50 players, you gotta put in a loot of work to have tps at 20

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anyway, your server should automatically restart on crash if you have a proper while loop set up

limber knotBOT
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is emc on 1.14 yet? xD

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Is emc on 1.13 yet? ^^

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Eikar is busy as hell iirc

crystal compass
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yeah idk

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im hopeing 1.15 will even help a little bit

limber knotBOT
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I mean apparently EmpireCraft is but did they actually push it to the server? 🤔

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ah, according to their homepage they are still on 1.12

crystal compass
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idk how yall managed to do 1.14.4 but hats off to you

quasi valley
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good plugins, good configs

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that's all

golden gust
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Kinda glad that I missed 1.14, not that 1.15 looks much greater overall

quasi valley
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and a lot of drugs

spare venture
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1.14 is awful

crystal otter
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but it has pillagers

spare venture
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pretty funny how aikar says 1.13 is 4x worse than 1.8

golden gust
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Kinda hope I manage to make a push on my server over the holidays :L

spare venture
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1.14 is 10x worse than 1.13

glass vapor
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How do you calculate that

golden gust
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Saying that, being down and out, I finally got a VM setup for testing \o/

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It's an ass figure

spare venture
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i was able to generate 2000 chunks per second on 1.12, and can at most generate 60 per second on 1.14

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take what you will with that

crystal otter
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mojang improved their chunks

crystal compass
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kinda annoying how mojang doesn't give a fuck about performance

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lol

glass vapor
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Imagine pre-generating your world pepega

limber knotBOT
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they do once singleplayer players start complaining

spare venture
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are you retarded @glass vapor ?

limber knotBOT
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which is what happened with 1.14, lol

crystal compass
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re-write chunk generation system, make it 10x slower = profit

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easy

crystal otter
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i'm sure the devs would like to give a shit but it looks like someone or something is pushing rushed deadlines

quasi valley
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imagine not pregenerating lo

glass vapor
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Personal attack much

spare venture
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yes

glass vapor
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It was a joke

golden gust
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It's not that they don't care about performance, it's that they don't really see it

glass vapor
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Though I can't pre-generate cuz my world is 400k x 400k

spare venture
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pregenerating doesnt help if it takes weeks to pregenerate a decent sized world 🤷

crystal compass
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all they see is writing a chunk generation system that is 10x slower than 1.13.2 and seeing that as progress

crystal otter
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hold up

spare venture
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but thats more of my own issue than mojang

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well apparently it's 33.33 times slower than 1.12

crystal otter
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at 2000 chunks per second

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that would take about 4 days

spare venture
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now at 60

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lol

crystal otter
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assuming you can get like 10 instances crunching at it, you might be able to reach something like 300 chunks per second

spare venture
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lol

crystal otter
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it shouldn't be impossible but it will definitely take a while

spare venture
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still gonna take like 20-30 days

glass vapor
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What's the world size though

crystal compass
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wen fix game

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'-'

spare venture
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he was talking about 400k400k i thin?

crystal otter
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what was the average region size again

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6.2 mb i think

spare venture
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meh

crystal otter
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160,000,000,000 square metres

quasi valley
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some people somewhere said that 1.15 gen is at least a bit better

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oh and region size has increased in 1.15 lol

crystal otter
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one region is 262,144 square metres

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600k region files

spare venture
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120 per second is 2x the performance of 1.14, but it's still 16.67 times slower than 1.12

crystal otter
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3,800,000 megabytes

spare venture
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andi doubt they doubled the performance

limber knotBOT
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why tf would anyone have such a large world?!?

crystal otter
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i accidentally 4 terabytes of minecraft

spare venture
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im not talking about his 400k world

golden gust
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Not as smooth sailing as it used to be, but I've seen worse

spare venture
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^every 5 seconds?

golden gust
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Yea

crystal otter
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hhh

spare venture
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compared to 10000 every 5 seconds on 1.12

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lol

crystal otter
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i guess you could just have a massive fucking server farm with 1000 instances but i don't know if that's worth the effort or cost

golden gust
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In part, it's not 100% on WB

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I mean, on MC

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WB also did some derping with 1.14s chunk system too

spare venture
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i blame WB for having no optinons to customize their shit

ornate lichen
golden gust
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Actually, reminds me, there was a boost there somewhere

spare venture
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for example, the slowdown and eventually crash when running large tasks

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if you run force: true... there's no way to resume where you left off if the server crashes

ornate lichen
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ay

golden gust
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There was a memory leak in MC that was fixed

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No idea whos fault that was exactly however

spare venture
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if worldborder had that feature, i'd be able to use dynmap on my server lol

gloomy sphinx
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minecraft 1.14.4 has some issues with framerate and chunk loading

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1.15 fixed that and made the minimum fps 30 which is awesome except we are on pc and 1.15 stutters a lot since it tries to aim for 30fps...

crystal otter
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noone cares

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because

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if your tps is 10

#

you won't enjoy it no matter how high fps you get

quasi valley
#

it's not chunk loading they improved but rendering

gloomy sphinx
#

no they improved chunk loading too

quasi valley
#

well loading a bit too

gloomy sphinx
#

local mc server is 10/10 better

quasi valley
#

yeah but mostly its rendering

golden gust
#

They didn't touch chunk loading on the server

#

They fixed an issue which made chunks wait to be rendered, however

gloomy sphinx
#

slicedlime mentioned the local server comparing tps too

glass vapor
#

"wait to be rendered"? Wait for what

crystal otter
#

for the stars to align, presumably

golden gust
#

Basically, they had a fuck up with their rendering system which would bail out of a rendering tick too early and prevent stuff being rendered

worn ember
#

🐱

spare venture
#

slicedlime told me chunk generation was "fine" back in july

worn ember
#

clearly

crystal otter
#

everything is fine

golden gust
#

gen itself is probably fine

#

It's their new chunk system as a whole which kinda blows managing everything

spare venture
#

ah

placid thicket
#

pretty sure gen is fine, loading is the issue

spare venture
#

i mean there's nothing fine with a 33x reduction in chunk generation speed/performance between 1.12->1.14

golden gust
#

gfdi

#

I broke worldborder

gloomy sphinx
#

They Tweaked chunk loading performance calculations and Tweaked chunk loading and rendering performance further for pre-2 and pre-3

spare venture
#

how'd you break worldborder

crystal otter
#

maybe instead of unfucking changes in 1.12+, we should add the features introduced in 1.13 and 1.14 ourselves

#

can't be that hardd to add like, what, pillagers

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and fish

gloomy sphinx
#

im happy they finally fixed the particles water/glass render issues...

#

after years

crystal otter
#

fork the shit out of that potato

golden gust
#

but, 20 tps doe!

spare venture
#

that's interesting

gloomy sphinx
#

maybe a io issue?

spare venture
#

as soon as i start generating, it begins to drop

golden gust
#

Well, yea; I dropped the explict chunk unload thing from WB

gloomy sphinx
#

so 1.15 will be released tomorrow right

golden gust
#

is what rekts the TPS these days

spare venture
#

hmm

placid thicket
limber knotBOT
#

(DiscordBot) What's New in Minecraft 1.15 Pre-release 7? - length 1m 17s - 394 likes, 3 dislikes (99.2%) - 3,258 views - slicedlime on 2019.12.09

spare venture
#

there are definitely some issues with worldborder

limber knotBOT
#

interestingly I was able to render my 1.14 worlds without issues with it

spare venture
#

my issue is definitely an edge case

pulsar wigeon
#

yea i doubt many people go worldpainter 1.12 -> forceupgrade -> dynmap

spare venture
#

mainly because i have to use force true, which means if the server crashes/restarts i'm fucked

#

now... if worldborder kept track of where it was and could resume...

#

@pulsar wigeon i dont think it really has to do with worldpainter. i generated the chunks on 1.12 with worldborder, but upon using forceUpgrade, something got lost in the process and the chunks are no longer considered generated when they are

pulsar wigeon
#

blocked

golden gust
#

Like, I used to have some crash issues, but that was fixed

spare venture
#

blocked

#

cat, i've found after about a million or so chunks my server begins to slow down until it crashes

golden gust
#

Then work out why

#

Something is probably being stupid and leaking resources

placid thicket
#

had the same issue, it has to do with world border not actually marking the chunks as done

spare venture
#

the only variables are worldborder and 1.14

golden gust
#

1.14 causes some complexity given the entire changes

#

e.g. you're no longer blocking main for chunk gen

#

That's why I'm generating between 80-250 chunks every 5 secs at 20tps

solid dust
spare venture
#

i think my only options at this point are: fuck the map, modify dynmap to stop being shitty, or just use overviewer

#

think im just gonna use overviewer

crystal compass
#

i think

#

we should all go back to 1.8

spare venture
#

what exactly makes 1.8 good

crystal compass
#

p e r f o r m a n c e

spare venture
#

performance in 1.12 is fine, and is at least somewhat recent

crystal otter
#

but muh pvp

spare venture
#

yeah because its so hard to make a plugin to disable cooldowns

crystal compass
#

ill go 1.8 and add the next updates in modpacks '-'

#

it would be cool if minecraft could be like most game servers

#

and have custom content downloaded when joining a server

limber knotBOT
#

i've always said that the one thing that'd make minecraft better would be rce

crystal compass
#

so if we wanted to add new items/biomes/blocks etc we could do that and wouldnt require modpacks or anything

charred hound
#

???????

crystal otter
#

sudden question marks

spare venture
#

didnt spout do that

crystal otter
#

well, it did until it died, kind of

#

there just wasn't enough interest

#

it's a big investment for a server to tailor content for players that might never bother getting the mod

#

and players are on average 13 and don't know how to install a mod

golden gust
#

They're moving more stuff to be data driven

crystal otter
#

or understand how getting "spotu" is going to improve their gameplay experience

crystal compass
#

thats why mojang should just do it

crystal otter
#

they are definitely moving in that direction

#

and i recall some guy from mojang saying the end goal is to have everything customizable serverside without client mods

crystal compass
#

so a 12 year old can turn on their pc, press play, join play.xsurvival.com and have all the mods automatically installed

spare venture
#

maybe they should focus on the game being playable

golden gust
#

Issue becomes "fancy" blocks and stuff

spare venture
#

which is what they are

#

which is good

crystal compass
#

oh they are actually going to do that???

spare venture
#

whatdo you think 1.15 is

golden gust
#

e.g. that book thing which flicks through pages would likely be a mess if they tried to make that purely data based

#

Not too sure that mojang intends to expose the ability for the server to tell the client to run untrusted code on it

crystal compass
#

then we could actually take our servers to the next level with developing... new biomes, items, it would be endless.

spare venture
#

lol

#

i dont think that's ever going to happen

limber knotBOT
#

like i said, the one thing we really need is server->client rce :)

#

you just know factions server owners wouldn't abuse that at all

golden gust
#

Dude

#

Why the shit does my GPU start self-igniting when I join your server?

crystal compass
#

btc miner

limber knotBOT
#

wait electronicboy didn't someone actually submit that resource once

#

like it was a premium resource but you could get it for free if you installed a crypto miner

golden gust
#

lol

#

I recall something like that

spare venture
#

lol

limber knotBOT
#

that was classy as fuck

worn ember
#

200iq

limber knotBOT
#

you know what? i'm so fucking tired of elon musk

#

(Hex) Grimes - Flesh without Blood/Life in the Vivid Dream - length 6m 52s - 149,168 likes, 8,562 dislikes (94.6%) - 21,306,570 views - GrimesVEVO on 2015.10.26

spare venture
#

hater

lunar latch
limber knotBOT
#

Aww, Rene Auberjonois died

#

(Odo in DS9)

#

finally posted an official 1.13/1.14 update for ChestShop, lol

upper flicker
#

just in time for 1.15 to drop

limber knotBOT
#

just before people start asking "is this the 1.15 update?" ;D

#

probably the most stable plugin release I've done yet. didn't get any new bug reports for the dev builds in ~two and a half months

void void
#

ah, the baiting mastery

#

"o resource got active again"

#

...just to wait for another year

hazy veldt
limber knotBOT
#

;D

#

well I got a bit too fed up with people still trying to run 1.12 versions on 1.14 xD

#

I should really start tracking where people get the download from 🤔 but that would require me to create different jars for each host so that's not going to happen ¯_(ツ)_/¯

stuck vault
fallen oracle
#

Lmao

spare venture
#

yea

gloomy sphinx
#

probably a bunch of drugs on his birthday

#

injecting marijuana and such

spare venture
#

autopsy will probably reveal it

nova badge
#

It didn't reveal the vitamin E 😛

fallen oracle
#

He apparently had 100lb of weed on the plane too.

#

Maybe it was 50lb 🤔

spare venture
#

20lbs is what the report was

fallen oracle
#

Oh was it?

#

Mb

gloomy sphinx
#

2020 death predictions?

nova badge
#

Vapes :^)

gloomy sphinx
#

im thinking minecraft java and taylor swift

#

people will just import their fruity gape juice

#

lol ok

#

🤦

keen garden
woven otter
#

in 2020 humanity will be wiped out

pulsar wigeon
#

We wish

#

that would be far too easy

woven otter
#

sadly

spare venture
#

hopefully i dont mess up exporting/importing my databases

#

would be fun to accidentally remove all of the bans from my server

woven otter
#

and not only bans 😉

spare venture
#

yeah

#

would be unfortunate

#

altho losing my milestone database would largely not matter since the rewards are permission groups

#

but it would be annoying!

woven otter
#

yea don't fuck up

stuck lava
fallen eagle
#

anything funny happening here ?

woven otter
#

no

#

we are all sad

#

no fun

spare venture
#

sitting here patiently waiting for a 200gb folder to be compressed/archived

#

not really the size, but the scary amount of folders and files within

honest cosmos
fallen eagle
#

sound rly boring. ive gotta hook my link up and my backup drive an clean up my pc bcs ive got files of servers all over my pc. kinda the time to actually clean it and maybe reinstall windows to get it 100% clean xD

If not compressing everything into a zip helps ofc.

#

cant rly do anything else than wait on a fix on kingdoms so i can do server stuff joythink

spare venture
#

im nearly done

#

been like 40 minutes or so

fallen eagle
#

took me over an hour to render an worldpainter map XD

spare venture
#

how much memory?

#

and size?

#

jw

fallen eagle
#

i got 32

and the map is like 41 by 10-20K blocks

#

1:1000 - 43008x21504 blocks

#

ye

#

kinda waiting for 2 things kingdoms to update so i can setup a test server to develop on or 1 of the 1.14.4 worldgen updates. 1 of them/heightmap to get image support and the other to be stable.

#

pretty sure i did 1.14
not 100% sure lol

#

then it was 1.13.2

#

actually no 1.12.2 would be the correct one

#

xD

#

rip

#

well i f up my own server by not getting the tables but everything else when i exported my mysql and ye 😦

#

true

grave roost
fallen eagle
#

atleast i got the important part our servers but our perms was on that mysql 😦

#

even that i have exported some stuff so i might actually have all perms so ye. kinda happy about that

#

i got a dedi running win server 2016 datacenter even u can choose desktop. and running my server in VM incase some games i wanna host dosent support linux DayZ cough

#

no server files yet.

but as of now i dont host a dayz server just waiting for something like RDR2 online or something so i can get fast into the action by getting a server up.

#

lol

potent warren
#

that's still wrong.

#

xterminate all humans

#

there we go

fallen eagle
#

lol

heavy crow
gloomy sphinx
#

is there a way to backup without causing server lag?

#

using tar at the moment back it really kills the cpu and my ssd

#

i guess I could not tarball

void void
#

you can prioritize processes

#

e.g use nice

#

or tar without compressing and transfer archive over network to offsite backup machine

#

to do compression there instead

frozen niche
austere ivy
#

So is there a paper for 1.15 yet? Hasn't 1.15 been out for a couple of months now? There's no paper for 1.15 yet??? smh my head come on you guys are you all lazy??? can't you just work faster??? it's not like you aren't getting paid for this and you're doing this out of the graciousness of your heart or anything, no it's your job to give me paper 1.15 for free come on chop chop

#

In other news:

#

1.15 is releasing tomorrow! :D

void void
#

.lart TehBrian

limber knotBOT
#

makes TehBrian learn C++.

austere ivy
#

oh no

#

I'm smarter

void void
#

...

#

.lart TehBrian

limber knotBOT
#

lets a few creepers into TehBrian's house.

void void
#

yea

austere ivy
#

ahem they're now my friends

#

one's named ben and the other is jerry

#

they make great icecream but unfortunately I'm lactose intolerant

#

so I give it to the other creeper, Joshua

#

he's pretty chill

fallen eagle
#

eh 1.15 hasnt even released yet only snapshot joythink

#

`s

austere ivy
#

.lart mikroskeem

limber knotBOT
#

takes away mikroskeem's internet connection.

austere ivy
#

now that's true pain

void void
#

not really

#

i have books

#

and working vim config

#

:)

austere ivy
#

"now that's pain" reminds me of this clip from Supergirl:

#

with it's 2004-esque CGI

gloomy sphinx
#

.lart tehbrain

limber knotBOT
#

flogs tehbrain with stinging nettle.

austere ivy
#

I started watching the show with my family for like a little bit and then the show's quality went downhill super fast.

#

It's not so good anymore, to say the least.

gloomy sphinx
#

it looks terrible

#

almost as bad as the other 5 new super hero movies they put out as they push females into everything

austere ivy
#

When the writing is literally just "look at this, we have xyz minority in our show" it's silly.

#

And women aren't even a minority, they make up 50% of the earth's population. And yes, while superheroes are predominantly men, can't we have a woman superhero that's actually.. good?

#

Wonderwoman did a great job, so did a lot of other movies.

#

I do not like Captain Marvel at all because she seems super snobby but every other woman in the MCU is good.

#

But it's not just Supergirl, about every CW show has gone super downhill..

gloomy sphinx
#

captain marvel is god mode

#

literally god mode

nova badge
#

Back up with lolcat and gain a server boost.

gloomy sphinx
limber knotBOT
#

Hey, will paper be coming out with its 1.15 release when the next update from MC drops?

austere ivy
#

Zokamoka, it'll be out ASAP but remember, Paper is made by a bunch of people (just like you!) spending their hours working on it.

#

And it's not easy, it's a tooooooon of code to change so hopefully ASAP but it just depends on people's schedule.

#

Since Paper is a fork of Spigot, we have to wait for Spigot to release their version of 1.15

#

Which might take a long time or a little time, who knows.

gloomy sphinx
#

you have to subscribe to my patreon for paper-pre-release-1.15-vw34vf.jar

limber knotBOT
#

Haha ok cool, thank you for answering

gloomy sphinx
#

i heard 1.15 is so goood papermc might be going out of business

ancient bolt
#

supergirl is a great show

#

haven't seen the season that's going right now since it's not on netflix yet, but the last season was really strong

void void
gloomy sphinx
#

.lart DemonWav

limber knotBOT
#

pokes DemonWav with a rusty nail.

merry talon
#

supergirl the movie however..

void void
#

Not impressed with Bitwarden, Proximyst

#

selfhost, yet paywalled. can't share credentials, can't remove paywalled feature from homepage

limber knotBOT
#

are you using the forked server backend that was linked?

#

wait, rewritten, not forked

gloomy sphinx
#

dont use a dumb online cross platform shared encypted keys service

#

just use keypassxc

limber knotBOT
#

so use an offline cross platform shared encrypted key software instead? I don't see the difference thonk

gloomy sphinx
#

no

limber knotBOT
#

or does KeyPassXC have a different syncing mechanism that makes it somehow better? xD

gloomy sphinx
#

this one is offline not shared generate own key store anywhere even on usb

limber knotBOT
#

(better than the original KeePass or BitWarden I mean)

gloomy sphinx
#

keeass is not updated

limber knotBOT
#

wwat

#

my update notifications say something else

gloomy sphinx
#

keypassxc is open source

#

and updated often

limber knotBOT
#

vs an open source keepass and bitwarden? whats your point?

gloomy sphinx
#

and it is cross platform

void void
#

I need a way to share business passwords between myself and my other two team members. The other two are not techies. It has to just work (TM).

limber knotBOT
#

yeah, keepass isn't the right tool for that imo

#

iirc bitwarden can do teams or something like that

gloomy sphinx
#

oh

void void
#

yeah the one i installed has teams, but you have to upgrade to an enterprise license

#

which im not going to do

limber knotBOT
void void
#

:')

#

yes

limber knotBOT
#

(but I'm not sure which features that one has that are normally paywalled ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

void void
#

Looks like it has orgs which is what I need

gloomy sphinx
#

or just use lastpass free

limber knotBOT
#

also I can't imagine that it would be difficult to disable the paywall in the normal client

unreal quarry
#

solution: only have techie friends. everyone else can suck a fart

limber knotBOT
#

suggesting proprietary software

#

lolno

gloomy sphinx
#

its easy though for noobs

#

and just works

limber knotBOT
#

same does every other program that has a somehow sane UI and UX

void void
#

i do give both of these projects props for ez install-ness tho

gloomy sphinx
#

solution: only have techie friends. everyone else can suck a wet fart out of my grandpas ass

void void
#

why would you disrespect your grandpa like that

gloomy sphinx
#

he has decent wet farts and should be proud

#

¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯_(ツ)_/¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

drowsy urchin
#

Is Minecraft 1.15 coming out tomorrows?

nova badge
#

20 days

limber knotBOT
#

no, today

#

it's the 10th

gloomy sphinx
#

its the 9th for me

#

you are lying

limber knotBOT
#

nobody cares about non-swedish timezones

gloomy sphinx
#

if sweden was lit on fire and burned to the ground the world wouldnt even notice

#

only thing missing would be pewdiepie

limber knotBOT
#

I feel like it would notice the lack of Minecraft updates :P

unreal quarry
#

idk man. they have some hot chicks

gloomy sphinx
#

microsoft will just code mc

limber knotBOT
#

haven't seen a java program by microsoft yet, lol

patent wraith
#

Pewdiepie does not live in Sweeden.

gloomy sphinx
#

his soul is still bound to sweden

void void
#

Awesome phoenix616

#

bitwarden rs manages to have even more features than the official one

#

and easier to install at the same time

fallen eagle
#

i hate on animated films where they say goodbye to a creature or whatever that u attach yourself too so much. it dosent need to be animated but i always get a tear in my eye : , )

signal pendant
void void
#

Alright good, got rid of passbolt (trash) and my dashlane was expiring so i just moved it all to bitwarden

#

Should be gucci gang now

#

Unless my shit crashes horribly and I lose my entire life

proud lance
#

how does bitwarden do auditing?

#

or does it store password changes?

#

jw

void void
#

i dont think it does

#

but it's not a problem for my usecase

fallen eagle
#

my dedi box is instant. after an restart 😛

#

now i am watching the move thats named after my lastname lmao Rambo Last Blood

cosmic raft
#

.1.15

limber knotBOT
#

(Korobi) Charlie Puth - "How Long" [Official Video] - length 3m 31s - 3,396,591 likes, 97,331 dislikes (97.2%) - 543,554,610 views - Charlie Puth on 2017.10.19

void void
#

someone kill me

#

just 120% slaughter me please

#

right now

#

beef grinder style

#

the ones where they throw the whole cow in

pulsar wigeon
#

.kill simple

limber knotBOT
#

gags and ties simple then throws them off a bridge.

pulsar wigeon
#

also tf?

#

the ones where they throw the whole cow in?

void void
#

or pig or whatever

#

the meat grinders in meat production?

#

they literally just throw the whole animal in and it grinds the whole living thing up and then separates out innards from the meat and then shoots the meat out in a package

#

never heard of it? lul

#

as nasty and inhumane as it is, im still eating meat

still cape
#

"free range" chicken farms are also gruesome

void void
#

its all gruesome but i eat meat so fuck it

#

i literally dont care

pulsar wigeon
#

wait what

void void
#

wat

pulsar wigeon
#

how does it separate it after it's ground up

still cape
#

i was just saying i wasn't accusing

pulsar wigeon
#

"innards from the meat"

#

don't they like...mix?

void void
#

idk man im not a slaughterhouse technician

#

maybe it does get mixed

#

maybe we just eat innards

pulsar wigeon
#

i need some links here

#

i feel like it's much more efficient and economical to just drag a nice down the center of the stomach and dump the guts out first

#

also like, grinding up all the good cuts?

void void
#

they do that on cows

#

this is for ground beef

#

cuts are done differently

turbid bluff
void void
#

i dont have any actual good links, as the most of my info is from watching stuff militant vegans have sent me and im not going to link one of those bullshit "be nice to animals" videos to you

#

as i dont disrespect you that much

pulsar wigeon
#

i found a video by "meatnewsnetwork"

#

🤔

limber knotBOT
#

(DiscordBot) Meat Mythcrushers: How Ground Beef Is Made - length 4m 19s - 188 likes, 121 dislikes (60.8%) - 110,640 views - meatnewsnetwork on 2013.03.07

void void
#

hmm

#

i wonder if it's good info or one of those "look how horrible this is. do you hear them SCREAM. look at the BLOOD."

patent wraith
#

Well, I don't eat much cow meat.

#

I don't like the taste, and ever if I did, it's a bit iffy.

#

Not the most efficient kind of meat to eat.

void void
#

i eat because i love food

#

i dont care how efficient it is

#

im not a fucking robot

#

lmao

patent wraith
#

Yeah, but it's super, super bad. I mean, have you seen the size of those things?

void void
#

of cows?

patent wraith
#

Yeah.

void void
#

yeah it's because they're fed to be fat

pulsar wigeon
#

eh

#

depends on the cow tbh

#

i mean they can't just sell fat lol

void void
#

oh contraire

#

there are people who literally buy lard

pulsar wigeon
#

au contraire?

void void
#

whatever

#

:(

pulsar wigeon
#

stick to english, philippine boy

#

but yea that's not actually contrary to what i said

#

they can't just sell fat

#

if they bred all the cows to be mostly fat, they wouldn't have muscle to sell

void void
#

fair enough

#

theyre fed to be muscle chonkers

#

better?

pulsar wigeon
#

ur a chonker

void void
#

accurate

fallen oracle
#

1.15 when

#

APRIL FOOLS

void void
#

🤔

pulsar wigeon
#

ah it begins. the people asking for 1.15 completely ironically because they think they are funny and way better than the people asking nonironically.

void void
#

1.15 when

pulsar wigeon
#

yes, people like glare and simple

#

not that anyone ever looked up to them anyway

void void
#

:(

#

heres something you can do instead of complaining to us, ppl who can't help

#

file an incident

#

or call them, it's a weekday

#

well

#

shut up bitch

#

wiz

#

im being oppressed

#

help

pulsar wigeon
#

oppressed by what?

#

your other personality

#

you're talking to yourself m8

void void
#

no

#

by barty

pulsar wigeon
#

who's barty

void void
#

what

pulsar wigeon
#

oooh that loot crate guy

#

i remember him

#

barely know the guy

#

was a cofveve boy for the campaign

void void
#

do you have him blocked

#

bc he's chatting in here rn

pulsar wigeon
#

yes

void void
#

LMAO

proud lance
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I have a wiz version of discord, it blocks everyone who isnt wiz

void void
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im not even bothered

left yacht
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can't wait for 1.15 to launch

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tbh

shell vine
void void
left yacht
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THIS FRAME PACING

gloomy sphinx
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wiz is a fedora wearing panzi

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blocks everyone that offends his my little pony collection

tired hazel
gloomy sphinx
potent warren
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Ermmmm, quick question: is there any edge case that makes pathfinding for mobs go fast as fuck?

broken wasp
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when they are being ticked alot?

potent warren
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So, hypixel ticked the zombies a lot?

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Basically, hypixel took DayZ and made a minigame out of it called Zombies.

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I was playing this one game where they were moving fast as fuck and weren't able to hit us.

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I wonder what happened

void void
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i mean its not completely out of the question that they just straight up changed how the mobs work in the server itself

fallen oracle
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Hey babe @void void

void void
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you cant have any dick tonight @fallen oracle

proud lance
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he can have mine

fallen oracle
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I'll just drink instead then

void void
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wtf glare and i are together, just bc i deny him dick doesnt mean he'll cheat on me

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fuck you @proud lance

fallen oracle
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Lol

proud lance
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listen, maybe if you gave him your dick once in a while, he wouldn't be interested in other dicks

void void
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hes not, you're the one being the ewhore

proud lance
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im a thot

fathom prairie
merry talon
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hmm, can I point to the currently committed version of a certain file in the .git dir?

hard kernel
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hey anyone know how to get rid of hyperlinks?

void void
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In what thinkSmirk

hard kernel
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ill dm u

void void
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wat

hard kernel
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i messaged u

fathom prairie
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hey pals, i was wondering if anyone more experienced with plugin development could share with me the complexity of an idea.

i've seen many times that servers (especially survival and/or factions servers) that are multi region, they use 2 separate servers (for seemingly obvious reasons), but what i was wondering is how complex of a task it would be to set up 2 or 3 minecraft servers with a world, and then transfer any kind of data it needs to (i.e. block updates, etc) between servers, to allow larger communities to play together (so as to not split a playerbase by region)?

this is probably a really complex and/or impossible idea, but from my knowledge of servers (as in, dedicated servers from a datacenter), they tend to have much more direct international routing, and you could merge a playerbase this way?

(i'm sure someone has some questions, seeing as this is a very complex idea. i'm not looking to have a plugin or something developed, just interested in the technical feasability)

void void
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lol so what, all servers have the same world so if someone in server A is editing the world, server B is going to show phantom realtime block updates?

fathom prairie
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yea

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well, it wouldn't so much be phantom, it would render players between servers too

void void
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lol

fathom prairie
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it's probably a stupid idea, but i'm just wondering about the technical feasbility.

void void
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there is a way to combine servers so that when you walk to a certain region your server switches seamlessly

fathom prairie
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not really looking for that

void void
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but no, not only is that far too complex you probably can't even simulate a player in that way (properly) anyway. I mean...maybe. Fuck. That's fucking weird.

fathom prairie
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only reason i think of it, is because in comparison to the rest of the world, australia is isolated (at least in terms of minecraft servers with acceptable ping)

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and i'm sure datacenters have much faster, stable routing than a consumer isp

void void
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that usually comes down to THEIR internet being the issue

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aussie internet is laughable

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it's not the server's fault

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the server could be IN australia

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and they'd still have lag

fathom prairie
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servers within australia is usually fine (20-30 ms is average, sometimes less)

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but for international, it's usually 200ms +

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occasionally you could get 150ms

void void
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so you somehow think that having a full system that synchronizes an npc to a player so that australians can play on an aussie server and not be lonely because they can see phantoms moving around and touching the world is the best way to go about this

fathom prairie
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i'm not saying it was a good idea, i was simply asking the technical feasability

void void
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The technical feasibility is nil

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Can it be done? Probably. Will it be easy? No. Will it be worth it? No. Will it work without issues? No.

fathom prairie
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ok, thank you.

void void
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(Will it be cheap/free? NO.)

dusky coral
bold zephyr
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good fuck spoons

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forks only

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eat soup with fork

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or chop sticks

void void
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or

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perhaps

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just drink it

quasi valley
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I’d rather use a knife to eat soup then

void void
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bruh wtf

limber knotBOT
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Everybody ready for the flood of ppl asking for etas? 😂

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.wa 8 am pst to utc+1

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8 hours bois

void void
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I'm not ready

quasi valley
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Im ready to replace bees with flying pufferfish

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That’s enough to make me happy

merry talon
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I want to use vscode remote SSH using WSL's SSH

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that doesn't seem to be possible :(