That's called job security
#general
golden gust
limber knotBOT
am a half decent programmer, do I look like I give a shit about job security?
I get 10 requests from head hunters on xing (german linkedin) per day
just because my keywords include java, jave ee and spring
wide chasm
Go solve another bug or something
limber knotBOT
nah, ill just go home, get some beer and work on godot stuff
I have tomorrow off anyways
short marsh
unkempt timber
ancient bolt
void void
@wheat quarry in the log ofc, it doesn’t show ip’s public like that
limber knotBOT
tf is that referring to and why is it worth pinging me on dumcord?
azure canopy
Hello!
does anyone have a clue of how long will the paper version for MC 1.15 will take? historically does it take long to update to the new current version?
limber knotBOT
I suggest taking a look at the commit history and comparing that to the release date
besides the fact that such a duration doesn't matter anyways, just because there is a version taht compiles available it doesn't mean that it is actually ready for use or even stable (e.g. 1.14 still isn't in an acceptable state but that#s mostly due to mojang ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
azure canopy
Thank you phoenix! I know what you mean but even on it's current "unstable" stage paper for 1.14 offers a dramatic improvement over vanilla 1.14 server
cosmic gorge
Whoever designed toilet seats needs to be shot, tortured, set on fire, vivisected and then killed
void void
i would this vivisection would induce death
dusk drift
limber knotBOT
So anyone doing AOC?
fallen jungle
Hi Proximyst
limber knotBOT
hi cutie
limber knotBOT
Sadly yes
fallen jungle
limber knotBOT
:)
limber knotBOT
bitwarden_rs?
void void
sounds right
limber knotBOT
I played 82 songs on spotify this year
void void
just 82
pulsar wigeon
is that a lot?
i mean, it's not like that's active time spent looking at spotify
i'm usually listening to music 12-14 hours a day tbh
so >50%
woven otter
hows your ears wiz
pulsar wigeon
doing fine thanks
volume is right between where i can't hear it and where i can hear background sounds
i hate the hvac at work
pulsar wigeon
does worldpainter even support 1.14+?
limber knotBOT
Alt-Enter is how you get suggestions, right?
no, they send me a 20% promo code
its more like an affiliate program
if I get a company to buy a commercial license using my 20% off code, I get a year of my personal licence for free
Oh hey Black Mesa is about to release the full game
(MiniDigger) New Product Announcement - length **** - 503 likes, 1 dislike (99.8%) - 2,261 views - JetBrainsTV on 2019.11.15
Still beta and buggy but you'll actually be able to play from start to finish
quasi valley
Here’s another one for you
upper flicker
2020 goals, leave spotify playing all the time
limber knotBOT
upper flicker
I could send the owner an email and ask him for op
soft ocean
have you ever talked to him?
soft ocean
what were the emails about
soft ocean
he’s probably mad you ended support for 1.12
upper flicker
so he sees a lot of it
soft ocean
what exploits were they
upper flicker
¯_(ツ)_/¯
soft ocean
if you remember
soft ocean
forward them to me lel
quasi valley
upper flicker
@ everyone sign him up for spam newsletters ^
soft ocean
do it
quasi valley
if you close both of your eyes yes, then I'm aikar
quasi valley
they obv made their precautions
soft ocean
can i have a webhook lol
limber knotBOT
no
soft ocean
so i can talk here using my client
upper flicker
space looks pretty cool minidigger
when the self hosted variant comes out Ill have to throw it up somewhere
limber knotBOT
didnt look too closely at it yet, but yes, I would play with it
coarse urchin
austere ivy
Any server owners here super excited about honey blocks and the ultra server lag that’s incoming? ;p
austere ivy
I’m thinking of either somehow disabling honey blocks working with slime or outright banning them because the fact you can make infinitely long or wide flying machines is nuts
Oh yeah mikro are you a fan of grayscale or colors
void void
grayscale
austere ivy
Knew it
worn ember
simulating logic in a game, what could go wrong
strange cove
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Brands With Best-Selling Video Game Consoles 1972 - 2019 - length 8m 6s - 1 view - Constant Vines on 2019.12.05
I need somebody who is good with bitwise shit
I hope I noted this shit down so you can understand it
when I only have the bitmask
pulsar wigeon
why are you using so many bits
limber knotBOT
godot is
I didnt design it
it supports more than 2 by 2, it also supports 3 by 3
pulsar wigeon
TL = mask & 1, TR = mask & 4, ... ?
limber knotBOT
is it really that easy?...
limber knotBOT
I was just confused by the additional bits I guess
worn ember
no excuses
void void
limber knotBOT
godot does stuff really strange, I have a tilemap, it has autotiles which have subtile which have the bitmask
placid thicket
when you summon some pockets of diamond and watch someone expertly dig straight to all of them in a maze format >.>
limber knotBOT
its a cool game engine
kinda like unity but cool and fully open source
got c# scripting support now so I am finally checking it out
pulsar wigeon
oh yea ok
8 would only go to 255
wait hol up
what about center
is that not a thing
limber knotBOT
uuh it should
man, by brains melting, trying to create an a* grid using a tilemap and the bitmask of the tileset
pulsar wigeon
i mean idk what a tilemap or tileset is but gl i guess :^)
limber knotBOT
dw, am struggeling making a for loop in c+
pulsar wigeon
c+
limber knotBOT
c#*
pulsar wigeon
ah, you mean c++++
limber knotBOT
oh wait, it was using foreach
worn ember
lul
pulsar wigeon
havent used rider, but by default resharper suggest var for simple declarations (var x = new X()) and primitives
worn ember
also use obnoxious long names for the full experience
pulsar wigeon
which kind makes sense i guess - the type is right there
analogous to diamond brackets in java
var x = new X<T>() vs X<T> x = new X<>()
doing both is just redundant
worn ember
did java finally figure that out too?
upper flicker
java added it
pulsar wigeon
yea java has var now
upper flicker
and much like c# and everywhere else the debate still rages on
pulsar wigeon
i mean it's not hard to figure out
you're only allowed to put var where the type of the variable is known
limber knotBOT
ok so
pulsar wigeon
you can't do var x;
limber knotBOT
I'm not usually an aggressive person
pulsar wigeon
right right
limber knotBOT
I don't endorse violence in really any context
austere ivy
everywhere
limber knotBOT
but
upper flicker
BECAUSE IM SHOUTING AND THAT MEANS IM RIGHT
limber knotBOT
there is on exception
pulsar wigeon
was only responding to "figure that out"
pulsar wigeon
cast to int
limber knotBOT
and that exception is dedicated to the absolute fucking morons that designed the way most toilet seats are meant to be installed and uninstalled
austere ivy
I need some kind of IntelliJ addon that replaces every possible type declaration with a var
pulsar wigeon
c# enums can technically be backed by other types tho :^)
limber knotBOT
5 hours, that's how I long I just spent replacing toilet covers
upper flicker
my c# is rusty but I think you can cast for that yes?
pulsar wigeon
yea
limber knotBOT
it's disgusting, I have cuts and bruises all over my hands
worn ember
cast it to int
wide chasm
Why would you want to replace all type declarations with var Brian?
pulsar wigeon
enum myenum : long { x = 1L, y = 100000000000L } is valid too though :^)
limber knotBOT
I had to take a shower and dump 100% of my clothing afterwards because I just felt filthy AF and even now I still feel filty af
austere ivy
I’m just kidding. Probably some kind of code obfuscation. I bet code obfuscators have already started replacing everything with var.
pulsar wigeon
and then (int) myenum.y will uh...result in 0 :^)
austere ivy
Also have any of you ever tried cooked pb&j? Almost like a grilled cheese?
My sister said it’s amazing and I should try it so I’m considering giving it a shot.
worn ember
well clearly hes not using longs here and i dont think you should that shit anyway
limber knotBOT
sounds like a good food prank brian
pulsar wigeon
i literally just fuckign went over all this
limber knotBOT
hey brian my sister said bleach + ammonia cocktails are amazing
worn ember
ok boomer
limber knotBOT
who's the biggest boomer in here
worn ember
probably electroniccat tbh
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
that's a good vote
we should have periodic votes to decide on titles for people in here
pulsar wigeon
magma 2020 for "most disgusting facial hair"
wide chasm
wizjany for "most people blocked"
limber knotBOT
wizjany for 2020 most fucking blind person in here
limber knotBOT
wiz, bud, it's time to go update the prescription on those glasses
woven otter
that looks filthy
worn ember
why do you paint your nails tho
austere ivy
I don’t?
They’re shiny because they’re healthy, take better care of your body
Also I’m beginning to think this was a horrible idea
And also a brilliant one
mmmm boiling peanut butter
placid thicket
i really wish the MCdugeon tool didn't get killed by 1.13, i really miss it
http://mcdungeon.bubblemod.org/
austere ivy
ok this is kind of gross
worn ember
big surprise there
austere ivy
placid thicket
problem is that there were command blocks and features that just don't really work anymore, the other problem is that if i generate one in 1.12, i have to figure out a way to get it into an existing 1.14 world, seeing as all the tools are broken that isn't exactly easy
especially for something so large
austere ivy
wait why doesn’t it taste bad
Man this is actually pretty good, I’m not sure it’s worth the time and dishes though
placid thicket
anyone else hate that windows has to find all the files before it can start deleting them?
upper flicker
smooth
it kinda is
but regular people dont care anyway
tbh that could be a number of things
could be wget and firefox arent even downloading from the same place
or it could be some protocol difference
or it could just be dumb
worn ember
they just limit your download speed, its not rocket sience
maybe their ip range is on the blacklist :p
download it on your pc and upload it then
ah yeah the good old 150kb/s upload speed
i feel you
eta gg
upper flicker
tbh they could be doing that to well-known server ranges to keep people from using their consumer service as a backup
Im sure someones probably tried it by now
worn ember
what are you downloading?
hashmap?
kappa
lol #delicious-tacos lags my client xD
placid thicket
holy shit it does... thats a lot of tacos...
limber knotBOT
Dinner!
austere ivy
fallen oracle
What's up
austere ivy
quasi valley
duck's parents
woven otter
WHAT DID YOU SAY
limber knotBOT
Your mother loves goose penis.
quasi valley
you're mother is a chicken, duck
quasi valley
at least you can have a diverse meal with ducks family
unreal quarry
Honestly tho, why are ducks so damn aggressive? I've avoided ducks irl my whole life because when I was 3 I was feeding bread to a duck and it attacked me and bit my dick for no damn reason
quasi valley
they all kind of are, geese are even more aggressive 
woven otter
ye u suck
quasi valley
but didnt the duck suck him?
woven otter
ur dum
quasi valley
ur a duck
limber knotBOT
Billy was molested by a duck.
woven otter
ur upside down
quasi valley
maybe it was the duck
woven otter
😠
limber knotBOT
worn ember
@upper flicker hater
upper flicker
Probably but context?
strange cove
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) What Secret Can Your Parents Never Know? (r/AskReddit Top Posts | Reddit Stories) - length 16m 10s - 2 likes, 1 dislike (66.7%) - 12 views - TheRedditCamp on 2019.12.05
worn ember
@upper flicker https://i.mtm123.lv/x1cEtET2.png duck busted you
heady spear
He’s not wrong tho
worn ember
shut up weeb
heady spear
😍
worn ember
i'd choke you but you'd love it
heady spear
Not atm the scar from the surgery kinda hurts when you apply force to it
So like don’t
austere ivy
Chickens are even more aggressive
worn ember
what? Chickens are nice
quasi valley
but the worst is @woven otter
worn ember
they like to hug
quasi valley
brian
heady spear
Brian is a stale fart
worn ember
can agree
heady spear
DarkEyeDrain is a noob
austere ivy
For example, one time when I was hand feeding them (mealworms, they love them) they accidentally pecked my skin instead of the mealworm
heady spear
Drain? K
austere ivy
I couldn’t look them in the eye for months after that
quasi valley
but was it an accident?
austere ivy
And another time they jumped on me (they love jumping and cuddling with people) and they fell and when they fell one of their claws kinda scraped my ski
Skin
heady spear
Stop insulting the chickens
austere ivy
Very aggressive as you can see
heady spear
I have no oil omg
austere ivy
Here I’ll go get some proof
tall steppe
Do you know if its possible to create farm worlds that can be reset with multiverse? I can create and delete worlds, but what if a player suffocates / dies?
nice, whats the strategy?
austere ivy
heady spear
What if the user becomes the world
tall steppe
thats clever!
so you have a flatfile storage for player uuids?
That sounds like a quick plugin. Do you have it public / do you want to share or shall I create one for myself?
Alright I'll quickly write one then
thanks for the advice! that was super helpful.
woven otter
@quasi valley ur the worst
worn ember
i got spies everywhere
void void
fallen oracle
Download for what?
void void
Get the holy hand grenade
zealous knot
What
Are you proxying a netflix stream through ovh?
And it redirected you to slow.com?
Have you considered the possibility of OVH just being shit? Because it really is
Thank you captain obvious
But im not OVH
worn ember
ur rart
zealous knot
OVH is like dog shit and im baby poop
upper flicker
wat
zealous knot
Also OVH have their fiber optic cables severed alarmingly often
worn ember
at least their nodes arent offline every 2 weeks unlike my host
shell vine
ovh is the most reliable host ive ever used
worn ember
zealous knot
Then i feel bad for the other hosts you’ve used
shell vine
i dont they suck
worn ember
same
zealous knot
Also dark do you like use the circuit breaker at your house as a host?
worn ember
that'd be more reliable
zealous knot
Mfw
worn ember
still good use to make it spam your server 😉
shell vine
reliablesite = multiple hardware issues and network issues
intreppid = occasional network issues and got fucking hacked
limestone = too expensive
hetzner = nulled my server for 3 days when i got ddos attacked
prob been others i forget
limber knotBOT
ive had no problems w hetzner ever, im sorry for your bad experience tho
zealous knot
If only you could do that while not getting their entire node to BSOD @worn ember
worn ember
running that script puts the server pretty much maxed out
80% CPU for just sending WGET requests
There are some great european hosts
they're usually a bit more expensive tho
shell vine
europe 
worn ember
@shell vine stfu most nodes are hosted in the netherlands and france anyway xD
zealous knot
Once you get off mums allowance and start making a few bucks you should try digital ocean
worn ember
fix knows all about it working in the local grocery store
zealous knot
Just OVH’s control panel gives me the heebie jeebies
limber knotBOT
Canada is in Europe?
zealous knot
Says the retard working at the fucking post office @worn ember
zealous knot
Meh
zealous knot
Not like you would have stayed for any other reason lol
worn ember
It wasn't too bad tbh
the people there were pretty fun to work with
no fucks given mentality
11euro an hour (no taxes) isn't bad
zealous knot
Tbh i only worked for the city council for as long as i did because worked with some secretary that I couldn’t wait to blow my load on
zealous knot
Eh I mean whut
worn ember
Why didnt you?
zealous knot
I did
worn ember
zealous knot
I wasn’t really interested in her, her entire office’s collective intelligence amounted to that of @potent warren
zealous knot
Actually no, I didn’t check, they had tits and a vagina which was more than enough for me
zealous knot
What could that perverted mind could make their shit do
worn ember
nice level design
zealous knot
/s
worn ember
i wanna hear your moms story barty. How does she cope with having a disabled son
zealous knot
Ok retard
limber knotBOT
to make sure I properly calculated the "collision" for the tiles https://hasteb.in/gixowaku.nginx
can we stop insulting each other?
whats wrong with you guys?
worn ember
just like my dad
zealous knot
Just like my two dead wives
quasi valley
worn ember
its barty he makes me agressive, we should remove him
zealous knot
I hope you fail
worn ember
rude
limber knotBOT
me: hes, lets add a health bar and simple pathfinding to my game
also me: https://i.imgur.com/UigeRSd.png
quasi valley
I gotta work on my „let’s do this simple thing“ predictions too 😂
worn ember
i've been spending over a week on a minigame and i almost have teams
thats how "enabled" i am
quasi valley
You’re just nabled
zealous knot
Thats as disability neutral as it gets
zealous knot
Do metrosexuals enjoy fucking in metros or do they enjoy fucking metros?
quasi valley
Looking at code on mobile is like
Ihm
Looking at code on mobile
Not sure there’s anything worse
worn ember
@zealous knot one nice thing about my host, they give out coupon codes when they go down, so i only had to pay like twice for my server after all these months lmao
zealous knot
Imagine letting your userbase down for some coupons 
worn ember
i blame stef for not moderating
wide chasm
We'd probably shrink the amount of users by 4000 if we'd unlink Discord
worn ember
wow there buddy dont go accusing me of things you did to yourself
zealous knot
Ill have you know i hosted an entire irc network at some point of my sad life so you wont get away from me that easily
worn ember
gets banned
wide chasm
We're at 5000 something I think
upper flicker
idk if it wasnt toxic when it was just IRC
quasi valley
A bit over 5400
upper flicker
but it was definitely less toxic
kinda happens when you switch to a platform that so many people use
we should probably clamp down
quasi valley
~~No worries, all of us toxic people are smart enough to migrate ~~
zealous knot
Tbh id be surprised if 3 discord users transitioned to irc
worn ember
Yeah dont need to deal with issues if no one uses your service
zealous knot
LOL
worn ember
electron IRC client when
quasi valley
Just ban everyone with issues
zealous knot
the five stages of grief
fallen oracle
There's only 1 stage of tacos
zealous knot
Fuck off glare
quasi valley
I think glare has issues
zealous knot
@fallen oracle ❤️
austere ivy
let’s start by banning Jerry
worn ember
@upper flicker i might be toxic but i still gave you more money than any of these dudes 😉
zealous knot
Literally who
wide chasm
Gläre can stay, he has a nice diacritic in his name
quasi valley
stëf
zealous knot
Lol
austere ivy
yeah ban everyone who doesn’t have a diacritic
worn ember
meh name steff
wide chasm
stêfvænschīë
worn ember
edgy
zealous knot
Oh Jesus Christ
quasi valley
Perfection
worn ember
the lord has long left us
zealous knot
Stef do you have to write all of this shit when you write it by hand
wide chasm
The diacritics? Yes.
zealous knot
Oh what the fuck
quasi valley
Lol didn’t know there’s a ÿ
wide chasm
Words can have a different meaning/pronunciation if you omit diacritics.
zealous knot
But it is still common practice to omit diacritics is it not?
wide chasm
Not that I know
zealous knot
Most of the time words can be understood within context?
limber knotBOT
electron IRC client when <---- fun fact, the irc client I am using runs on node and ppl have put it into electron before :P
wide chasm
Sure, but from what I can tell, most people still use them.
quasi valley
If you’re using words of another language you might omit them
wide chasm
Autocorrect usually helps when writing on a phone though
We actually include diacritics from other languages in our words. A ç is not unheard of for example, even though none of our 'native' words use them.
zealous knot
Anyway my new name is Mïßtêr_Fîx
quasi valley
in english?
wide chasm
No, not in English
But English doesn't use diacritics pretty much anywhere afaik
The only thing I can think of is forté
Diacritics are nice though
zealous knot
No
quasi valley
Not really 😂
limber knotBOT
forte would be the english spelling
wide chasm
How are diacritics not nice?
zealous knot
You have to deliberately waste time on writing them
limber knotBOT
defekt
quasi valley
It makes for more structuring and less overusage of characters with different pronunciations in French for example sure, but eh too complicated
zealous knot
As apposed to just spelling out they word you wanna write
quasi valley
English is just a mess of sounds anyways
wide chasm
You need more time when writing them, but at least then you can look at a word you've never seen before and know how to pronounce it, something that isn't the case in English.
quasi valley
You can’t really do that in French either, you’ll need the IPA in any case
zealous knot
My language has diacritics but we only ever used it for text intended to be read by children to make sure they understand what they read
I agree with the disabled person ^
quasi valley
Then you’d know how to speak but not what they mean lol
zealous knot
💯🔥
quasi valley
Roots are nice
quasi valley
Thats actually a good way of understanding a lot of languages quite broadly 😂
zealous knot
Lmfao
quasi valley
We touched quite a few Latin and Greek roots and that surely helped
quasi valley
Oh well, we only had a single task on that on an exam, but not too that extent 😂
wide chasm
Yeah, they went over those quite thoroughly, I think we had to learn about 100 of those
muted wyvern
quasi valley
We had that amount too, but more of a „they are nice, so learn them - but we don’t really care tooo much so eh“
quasi valley
Tine to close my eyes and pretend to be sleeping until I actually am
wide chasm
How many do you remember now? I think I can only list a few by memory
quasi valley
Oh I think it’d be a dozen + some of the obvious simpler ones
Like graph frat(ernal) pre post etc
wide chasm
Pre and post are the most common ones I use, a and an are quite common as well
Ergo is Latin as well I think
zealous knot
What the fuck are you even talking about
quasi valley
Gonna sleep now, adieu 🐋
worn ember
ISO Latin
pulsar wigeon
speaking of which, i really need a new irc client
hexchat has been fucking up for me recently :<
zealous knot
Yeah tbh hexchat has been whack
limber knotBOT
Mojang Just hired 3 new ppl for the gameplay team for java
zealous knot
When is it gonna hire a new language to work with tho
limber knotBOT
Who's the 4th one? :O
woven otter
Mini what was that game seems interesting
limber knotBOT
I only saw 3, kingbdogs (athermod dude), xilefian und ulraf
It's a tower defence game I am making
Not sure how far I will come, but ideally it will transform into having multiplayer, kind like it worked on that Warcraft 3 map
Line tower wars <3
zealous knot
Cmon dark show them the multiplayer snake game you made
worn ember
Mini you like tower defense?
RTS and tower defense are my favorites lul too bad they don't really make any good RTS games anymore and need to rely on remakes 😢
proud lance
check out They are billions
limber knotBOT
AoE 4 tho
Also excited for the settlers, not really RTS but similar I guess
And yes, I like tower defence games
Oh wait, I didn't watch YouTube rewind yet because I got so zone out writing this pathfinding shit
zealous knot
Its not terrible but its nothing to write home about
zealous knot
They just made the most vague stats video they could come up with to offend the least amount of walking pussies
woven otter
Z go eat a taco
zealous knot
Basically they redid the first ever youtube rewind but without rebecca black
And more stats
upper flicker
what makes you think Im not eating one right now?
woven otter
because you're typing
zealous knot
Z can we have a more recent eye pic
zealous knot
Gay
pulsar wigeon
woven otter
upper flicker
woven otter
Z can we have the pic of other eye
woven otter
ofc there isn't
zealous knot
Loomynaughty
upper flicker
I lost it while I was looking for threads in linux while talking to that guy in codevision
woven otter
ur just an eye with hair
upper flicker
just got the one now
woven otter
use it wisely
zealous knot
The threads tho
upper flicker
only had one eye to work with after
zealous knot
Imagine you were blind, you couldn’t appreciate the tacos you were chowing, not as bad as losing you sense of taste but not as good as seeing what you eat
upper flicker
when it comes to tacos taste is all that matters
zealous knot
What
upper flicker
if you want good looking tacos that taste bad, go to taco bell
zealous knot
Ok you’re wrong and im not going to argue with you
upper flicker
wrongnt
zealous knot
Taco bell tacos are great drops mic
woven otter
limber knotBOT
I mean, a few cool stats
void void
... what is this
upper flicker
it doesnt look like it would taste good
limber knotBOT
But the presentation was meh
upper flicker
but if it somehow did, more power to you
void void
looks like someone puked on a plate ngl
woven otter
it's supposed to be taco
upper flicker
thats how ducks eat mikro
woven otter
no it's not mine
void void
ducks too?
upper flicker
ducks, birds, etc
void void
ah
upper flicker
all of em
void void
aahh yes, smol birds
woven otter
I haven't tried a taco yet
void void
correct
upper flicker
whatd you expect from a quacker
woven otter
quack off Z
zealous knot
Found a pic of @woven otter
woven otter
If I would have to pick another bird it would be crow
woven otter
I just like the term murder of crows
void void
could someone help me with the ranges plug-in on my server?
woven otter
probably not
zealous knot
Not if you keep repeating your question in the wrong channel
woven otter
wow everyone is so toxic here
zealous knot
Reee
Call the firefighters this place is fucking toxic
Also if you spell plugin with a dash you need to log off
merry bridge
fallen oracle
Yikes
void void
what are you even doing
downloading what
and why that way
but where on your pc?
from ssh to pc?
potent warren
quick question, shouldn't Spigot premium resources be of high quality? 🤔
fallen oracle
Also be somewhat unique.
pulsar wigeon
in reality, there's no fucking bar whatsoever
potent warren
I guess that a copy of a minigame from Hypixel is not unique lel
void void
No not really
pulsar wigeon
if you meet the "3 free resources" req, you can pretty much throw up whatever the fuck you want
void void
in fact
Some of Hypixel's gamemodes aren't even unique
they usually just steal other peoples ideas
potent warren
I know
void void
and they get the credit
potent warren
At least they do a good job at it lmao
void void
Define a good job
potent warren
well, I don't see any bugs and it's playable
pulsar wigeon
that's pretty subjective
potent warren
well, so are premium plugin devs
void void
no
void void
not even close
pulsar wigeon
are you retarded
void void
wtf
pulsar wigeon
how much do you think the top paid premium resource makes
void void
by people buying the plugin
pulsar wigeon
seriously
potent warren
Well, seeing that there are people out there that seem to have like almost 200 premium resources, dunno..
pulsar wigeon
^if 1% of players buy a crate (tbh i have no clue what hypixel sells) for $1, hypixel makes 500 bucks
pulsar wigeon
if you look at the top premium resource authors
void void
that's hosting covered and probably more
void void
nothing close to Hypixel devs
pulsar wigeon
you can literally work a minimum wage job for a few months and make more than that
you think that minimum wage retail clerks are dedicated and passionate about their job?
lmao
void void
nope
potent warren
well, and apparently neither are the premium plugin devs kek
potent warren
well, if I'm going to spend 10 bucks on something, I expect it to be somewhat decent..
pulsar wigeon
yes, the top handful of premium resource authors probably make a few thousand in a single year
void void
I'd be confident in making some free resources then building up to a premium one but its just the idea of what the fuck do I sell
the resources are drained in terms of ideas
1.14 at least gives new life a little
pulsar wigeon
tbh you don't need ideas
void void
so does 1.15
pulsar wigeon
you just need execution
potent warren
Just copy someone else's ideas
pulsar wigeon
just ask glare
potent warren
/s
wheat sparrow
potent warren
I'm just a bit sad that the good and cool things are locked out behind a paywall; but that's not what's being discussed here. ;-;
fallen oracle
You're good
pulsar wigeon
i mean, you're not going to argue that guilds is an original concept right
pulsar wigeon
downgrade what
fallen oracle
When I made it, I did not plan it on anything to do with Minecraft.
It was all from an old Disney game I played
So in my head, yeah it was original
void void
these devs are just as lazy as premium devs
fallen oracle
In broder terms, not entirely.
pulsar wigeon
what
even in your head it's not original
if it's based on something from another game
tbh
burnt tiger
fallen oracle
I meant more of a I didn't copy it from something already in Minecraft that I knew existed at the time.
fallen oracle
Correct
potent warren
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel like knowledge (and the cool stuff) should be public and free instead of being paid and obfuscated to hide from everyone 😦
void void
Capitalism mate
fallen oracle
That's why all my stuff is open source
pulsar wigeon
or was that a complete non sequitur
pulsar wigeon
that has nothing to do with sharing knowledge
pulsar wigeon
sharing knowledge and making one's hard-earned work free are entirely separate things
void void
obfuscation makes perfect sense when someone actually deserves the money you give them
pulsar wigeon
i mean, that's a separate convo that also has nothing to do with freedom of knowledge
void void
well convo's can bounce rather quick
patent wraith
Well, IMO it's not anything to do with capitalism, at least mostly.
pulsar wigeon
yea i'm just pointing out that nick's statement was retarded
void void
outside of Minecraft
its capitalism capitalism
and more capitalism
at least America that is
patent wraith
Well, before capitalism was "invented", people still hid stuff.
potent warren
wiz, most of what I type is just shit... most of the time people ignore me for a reason...
It's just how I am 🤷♂️
void void
in the old days we'd just trade shit
nowadays its all based on how much useless paper you have
after the government taxes you on the paper
pulsar wigeon
what
worn ember
my heater just died and its freezing 
pulsar wigeon
are you trying to argue that money causes capitalism or something
void void
no
pulsar wigeon
or vice versa
void void
this is just pointless banter
worn ember
@potent warren hai nicker
pulsar wigeon
do you understand that economics isn't tied to currencies (fiat or otherwise)
potent warren
I think it might be better to stop the convo I started..
pulsar wigeon
you realize that the principles of economics (including systems like capitalism) also work in barter economies?
void void
I just said its just banter
pulsar wigeon
it's not banter
void void
and already said I know
pulsar wigeon
it's retardation
void void
for me it is
because I can be serious about it
but I don't care that much to be serious about it
if you wanted a serious discussion probably should have a channel meant for those discussions
this is just general anything goes obviously until you break common sense
pulsar wigeon
that's also retarded
void void
well that's you then lol
pulsar wigeon
people here lack common sense all the time
void void
of course
pulsar wigeon
and that still goes
proud lance
#wizblock
void void
economics is definitely not common sense, its learned nowadays, everyone an idiot
pulsar wigeon
i didn't say it was
void void
didn't have to, just saying
pulsar wigeon
just saying that saying retarded shit about how economies work isn't less retarded because "the general channel isn't for serious conversation"
void void
wat 
is going on here again
pulsar wigeon
nor is there a lower limit on the common sense employed in these non-serious discussions
patent wraith
It is possible to argue that capitalism rewards being open, because when people eventually find out, the value of the company would usually go down more than if you did not hide it.
woven otter
wiz
pulsar wigeon
cluck cluck, duck
void void
[2:13 AM] Ryder Belserion: Yes lets make Windows 10's source open
[2:13 AM] Ryder Belserion: and see the hackers abuse it
[2:13 AM] Ryder Belserion: yes good idea
wtf
security by obscurity is never good
linux is used widely on servers
it's... 🥁 open source
idk wat u on about lmao
woven otter
wiz are you jelly that premium resources make money while WE and WG are still free
potent warren
well, I think that the good spigot resources should be opensource
limber knotBOT
open source != free of charge though ;)
void void
should've said sike instantly after that then :^)
pulsar wigeon
void void
otherwise you'll make yourself look really dumb
eh
shouldn't have to
and you already did
pretty obvious its a joke
lol
pulsar wigeon
no
pulsar wigeon
you've been saying retarded shit the entire time
void void
brain dead it is
pulsar wigeon
right
void void
in fact many people claim that linux/other open source os-es are vulnerable coz they're open source 
woven otter
you remind me of Devon
pulsar wigeon
so you're talking to a bunch of zombies
because you're saying retarded shit
lmao
void void
you seem to be one of those
potent warren
phoenix616: I'd rather have to build Featherboard myself than to crack it (which I didn't bcuz I don't even have a server)
void void
intentionally
saying retarded shit
you should add that
says retarded shit
gets flamed
says that wasn't serious
stop excusing yourself
I intentionally say these things, I don't do it on accident like some people
woven otter
speaking of premium resources isn't extra few thousand still pretty good. Assuming you don't sink too much time into shit
pulsar wigeon
was intentionally being retarded
"guys it was intentional"
still retarded
idk duck
depends how much time i guess?
woven otter
yea
void void
but do I care? probably not
pulsar wigeon
but i feel like a lot of premium plugin authors sink a lot of time in
potent warren
I wouldn't mind having to build a premium resource myself I wanted to use it for something where I'm not getting any money.
void void
moving on
pulsar wigeon
if the monetary compensation is the primary reason for making the resource premium
it's retarded imo
there's better ways to make money
potent warren
I don't mind having to build LibsDisguises or even Citizens to use it just to goof around with close friends...
limber knotBOT
@potent warren you are misunderstanding what open source means. it means that the software has code that is accessible to the user and the license tries to make it so no copyright applies to the source so the user can do wahtever they want with it
pulsar wigeon
i mean, to varying degrees phoenix
the user being able to do whatever with it isn't necessary to open source
limber knotBOT
it has nothing to do with the code being available for everyone on github, lol
woven otter
I mean it really depends on the economic situation in the country doesn't it?
I mean main reasons for making premium resources is that the entry level is pretty low and it's partially passive income
pulsar wigeon
eg the license can still restrict the user from changing license, re-selling the source, derivative works, etc
limber knotBOT
of course wiz, but it depends on the license how much the license terms itself are protected (the old MIT vs GPL)
the central goal of all of open source is to give the user as much rights as possible without being unreasonable or violating copyright laws
pulsar wigeon
right
potent warren
i think it's fair to sell the jar and have the source be free.. i mean then people are just paying for a convenience and it technically isn't premium
Well, that's a good thing to do and I think more people should do it.
pulsar wigeon
just saying "open source" doesn't imply that much
woven otter
barty you can always ask for it 😉
potent warren
Isn't releasing the source for free and charge for pre-built binaries a thing that's usually done outside of minecraft?
limber knotBOT
no
potent warren
oof
limber knotBOT
most software is proprietary and paid or open and free
limber knotBOT
the only times you find paid open source software is when companies host stuff for you
ah, yes, share ware
pulsar wigeon
with something like enterprise versions/hosting/support for a fee
limber knotBOT
or that, yeah
woven otter
😦
potent warren
debug jar? That sounds fancy
void void
aight duck do u wanna get ur wings dirty tomorrow
potent warren
Sounds kinky
woven otter
what do you have in mind
void void
the private gh repo where i added you
potent warren
lmao
void void
it's not a j... never mind
worn ember
go home
flint ledge
void void
nice
flint ledge
hey so i just started using paperspigot today and had a question
limber knotBOT
@flint ledge [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
flint ledge
oh lol
When I went to check out my enderman farm, I noticed that the exp things that pop out are significantly fewer. Am i still getting the same exp?
void void
hey bois, sql retard here or maybe im just high as fuck, but what kinda query should i go about to get users that follow each other?
here's follower counts: http://sqlfiddle.com/#!9/d46b920/16/0
what ima need to do is somehow write a query that takes a passed in follower and gets all the 'mutuals.' So it'll have to get all the entries in followers where follower = the passed in one, then for each of those it'll have to do another query and plug the followed in as the follower to make sure it follows the follower 😂 kill me :(
@flint ledge by default it combines multiple XP orbs into one but you can change the radius
you should still be getting the same xp
flint ledge
How can I change it to be multiple orbs?
void void
there's xp merge radius option in spigot.yml iirc
yup change merge-radius.exp to -1 but...i wouldn't
it's purely cosmetic
and it causes a performance boost letting it merge
flint ledge
I just wanted to know how in case I wanted to change it later
Is it a significant lag causer?
void void
especially when your users suck and make insane lag farms, yes :D
(aka "but muh ultra efficiency mob farm 8000 256 blocks high 45 chunks wide 6 million xp per hour model 5!")
flint ledge
Okay cool. I don't know if it'd be a big deal for us cause we're just a few friends playing together but good to know
worn ember
@void void how do you follow the follower tho?
void void
@worn ember wat
worn ember
or are we talking like social media following
worn ember
oh
worn ember
i think you'll need a 3rd table to track who's following who
now you have a many to many relation i think
void void
how would that look :(
worn ember
good question. Been a while since i did SQL
void void
fuck
worn ember
so you can solve them
void void
what i did is what was recommended here, just looked up an SO :(
worn ember
@void void hmm i think i know
fallen eagle
quick question. does anyone know a pl for 1.14.4 that can load image or heigthmap from worldpainter ?`
worn ember
you create a second table that contains the combination of the two and use the combination as the PK of that table
that way they're always unique
but you can only follow each other once
topaz sigil
worn ember
@void void something like this i think
void void
thats literally what im doing
void void
yeah my question is about what query i use
lol
it will still be 2 rows tho
users A, B
A follows B. 1 row.
B follows A. 1 row.
worn ember
yeah
void void
Now I need to take A's ID and query followers for people that A follows, who ALSO follow A back.
aka, B.
i suppose i can maybe join follower twice, on two different conditions lol or something
nope idk
worn ember
hard to make a querry if you dont have an ERD
cosmic raft
sql is annoying @void void
void void
I've got this for the first way:
SELECT
follower_user.name as "Follower",
followed_user.name as "Followed"
FROM follows f
INNER JOIN users follower_user
ON follower_user.id = f.follower
INNER JOIN users followed_user
ON followed_user.id = f.followed
WHERE follower_user.id = 1;
it just pulls who the follower follows, but there's no verification of whether the returned data actually follows the given id as well
cosmic raft
and then there's me