so no court case = no precedent
#general
quasi valley
funny enough that noone has done so
people have sent letters threatening to sue someone for much less
woven otter
wiz give me source to your premium plugin
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mfw asking for cancer
quasi valley
woven otter
kenny u too
pulsar wigeon
funnily enough, WE is GPL
quasi valley
duck, give me all of your sauce
pulsar wigeon
๐ก ๐ฆ
woven otter
no sauce for u
quasi valley
I'm gonna buy my own sauce and eat you with it
woven otter
no eating
woven otter
goodbye
void void
hallo sie Ducky @woven otter
woven otter
Hello silly silly person
woven otter
leaf hiding from u
void void
quasi valley
he'll turn to dust in an instant
woven otter
wiz is already dust
golden gust
I have doubts on that one
wiz being nice would probably set of some form of apocalypse
quasi valley
sounds like a lack of braincells
golden gust
nou
woven otter
u
void void
oh noes
quasi valley
๐
void void
it's been two months, I think he hit perm instead of temp
woven otter
well in that case he was right
void void
who was right
woven otter
he
void void
Billy?
I stopped coding, sorta, I mean I still do it every now and then when someone yells at me about something on the server
I mainly run my ebay business now, trying to grow it as much as possible in 2 years before I move
woven otter
yeah I guess it was Billy
golden gust
billy is bad
unreal quarry
wait wat
woven otter
Remember Devon, Billy?
unreal quarry
no
void void
i'm just going to be quiet
pulsar wigeon
cat you missed the apocalypse then
woven otter
do you remember the guy who claimed 2 kids at 16 or 17
golden gust
I'm a cat, I was probably sleeping
pulsar wigeon
devon lol
pulsar wigeon
what
old mason
Has anyone ever used BottleBets Plugin before?
woven otter
wiz is nice when you ping him enough
left swift
wiz i think you're a very gamer dude ๐
dapper nacelle
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huh
woven otter
huh
void void
huh
orchid mason
woven otter
yes
void void
this dude thinks he is on top of the world because he bought a laptop from me for 25$ instead of the 30$ asking price for a laptop worth 50$, yeet I sold a vintage router for 50$ this morning that I didn't think i'd ever sell, so that more then makes up for the difference
also, little did he know, since he bought 1 out of a lot of 7, I purposely grabbed the worst laptop and wrapped that one up for him, so now I no longer have to worry about it
getting a lot of 10 pata ide hard drives ready for windows xp installs. I have a lot of 8 more laptops getting delivered in the morning.
woven otter
dusk drift
I wouldnt' even sell a laptop for $25
i'd just take it out back and smash it up
and recycle it
void void
I don't expect a response but worth a shot anyway.
The laptop was a Windows XP Dell Latitude D520, with a bad battery, and no hard drive. I'd say 25$ is fair.
woven otter
125$ for shipping. what
void void
I know right, I ordered 8 laptops in a different order and shipping was only 38$. This guy put a high handling copay on the shipping
Most likely to decrease the final value fee so he had more money in his pocket
void void
@woven otter
void void
lol
woven otter
why did you ping me anyways. I don't see any ducks there
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think of the ducks you could run over
void void
woven otter
leaf ur avatar is ugly
woven otter
I have a hat pls
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an inferior one obviously
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so it is superior 
woven otter
I wouldn't admit that
unreal quarry
$90
void void
the laptops have working batteries, come with AC adapters too
the laptop I said had a dead battery was the one I sold
void void
These laptops are really fast and full aluminum, the battery lasts all day long, works really good on Windows 10 too.
NVIDIA dedicated graphics, upgradable to 8gb ram, accepts ssds, docking station connector...
limber knotBOT
o.o
void void
This is a lot of 4 of them, I'm going to resell them for 100 each refurbished
That is why i'm trying to get all 4 of them for under 250$ total
void void
haha no, it is very fast. duel core or not. it is still hyperthreaded to quad core, and even then the cores don't matter for general use.
windows starts in 11 seconds, apps open instantly, handles games very well, websites load especially fast
I have one of the laptops as my main laptop
peak kite
1.66ghz, SLOW. and even hypterthread only runs as fast as two cores its physical makeup.
peak kite
lol damnit nevermind
void void
2.4 ghz base clock
peak kite
I was talking about yours still hehe
void void
turbo boost up to 3.1 ghz
haha, that one I was selling was a piece of crap, hence why I sold it for 25$
dude, do you think I wrapped it up and taped it and blocked the seller after he payed me for no reason, no I had a very legitimate reason
peak kite
damn... big business needs to get some rules about recycling. blamin all of us for their waste that they don't even release the design files when they no longer sell them...
no design files, hard to recycle, hard to repair.
if they don't want to release the files then a buy back of their product at depreciated values should be minimum.
same goes for CARS.
global pollution SOLVED. (the problem isn't warming, or change or whatever, its actually all the waste, pollution, contamination of the air, soil, water, that we need to talk about.)
I would create a business that purchased those used products from those companies, then id desolder all parts on the pcbs, sort them with ai machine vision, and rebuild products for those same companies. This should already exist, but doesn't.
potent warren
Why do developers usually employ code obfuscation even on free plugins?
verbal sundial
So people don't commercialize their free code and make money off of it when it is not their property
peak kite
Very detailed maps, but the dynmap render of them is a beast. Dynmap filling up the hd fast too. Wb fill is fun also.
https://github.com/MattiBorchers/MinecraftEarthMap
verbal sundial
It is done all the time
potent warren
@peak kite I see Portugal in there
peak kite
The map lays down cobblestone where big cities and roads are.. so you probably could see some cities.
It also lays down borders of countries with cobblestone, so those are visible too.
potent warren
On another topic, is monetization of open-source software viable in the Minecraft community?
peak kite
They do it with donations...
verbal sundial
Besides the point, there are other high level cases of commercialization
verbal sundial
A lot of open source software is monetized, case in point McMMO
peak kite
Either do opensource and keep plowing ahead, being better than them, or don't worry about it, AI will code better than anyone eventually?
woven otter
well don't think people are active with donations
potent warren
Is there any big reason as to why we haven't seen more people adopt the if you want the thing pre-built, pay me, otherwise build it strategy?
potent warren
wdym?
celest coyote
woven otter
you have to replace those stars with if statements tho
verbal sundial
I will never understand why people refuse to drag and drop maven bin files into the appdata folder and add it to the path system environment variable under advanced system settings on windows and log out and log back in, and type mvn clean package in command prompt.
It saves so much money then buying prebuilt
potent warren
gradle init fixes that
woven otter
I will never understand why people prefer maven over gradle
verbal sundial
I'll have to test that, but I don't see how gradle init could automatically come up with in place gradle plugin alternatives to maven plugins, especially more complicated ones, I know gradle supports maven dependencies, but not maven plugins.
potent warren
well, I was kinda joking.
My question is: why don't more devs adopt the strategy where they open-source their plugin and then have the clients either pay them or build the thing themselves?
verbal sundial
Maintaining a gradle + maven repository is just extra overhead, and if you are a business, extra money
peak kite
who are the clients?
verbal sundial
Honestly I don't know why more people aren't doing that, I think not a lot of people are familiar with the open source space when they are making minecraft plugins for the first time
potent warren
with clients, I mean the people that want to use the plugin
(I'm trying to focus on the Spigot/Paper plugin developers)
verbal sundial
I know a guy got pissed off when I open sourced his free plugin to make it easier for developers to develop for it using the maven artifact as an api, despite me crediting him, and forced me to take it down
Now I don't try to help anymore
peak kite
server owners. ok, so, some do that, they only offer the plugin as developer version, and only support the latest version of mc with the pay for dev version. So to use the latest one, you need the special obfuscated code to make it work with 1.14.4.
potent warren
imo there are a lot of plugins that, if they were OS, the whole community would benefit..
verbal sundial
I don't develop public spigot plugins anymore, and I uninstalled minecraft entirely 2 months ago. I develop private paper plugins, for our network, as things come up but nothing more then that.
peak kite
I think its done that way to be able to use OTHERS open source code in their code, and not get in trouble for selling open source code.? The brick wall that many will eventually run into is doing just that. And getting sued.
potent warren
by the way, are plugins supposed to be GPL?
peak kite
Thats why donations are the only way.
verbal sundial
plugins don't have to be GPL but it is generally recommended as an open source license
potent warren
Don't they link with the bukkit api?
verbal sundial
I use AGPL because then modified versions of it used on another server must be open sourced with the changes stated in the readme as part of the license
potent warren
I know the whole thing is a bit messy
golden gust
theoretically yes, plugins need to be licensed with the GPL or a compatible license; But ultimately, it's never been tested in court
potent warren
we should test that
tawdry coyote
hf paying the legal fees for that
peak kite
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
verbal sundial
have wolfy pay for it
peak kite
so you think you have rights? how much money you got?
The amount of money you have is directly relatable to your rights. EVERYWHERE on the planet. Even in the land of the bill of rights. If you cannot afford tons of money for a lawyer, you do not get one paid for you, like the tv shows, you get someone that just wants you to accept the terms that their employer(the courts) sees fit for you, and thats only if you are being charged with something, if you must sue to keep your rights, no one pays for yours.
woven otter
wat
potent warren
Like, I really wouldn't mind to build some kind of plugin myself if all I'm doing is testing stuff
limber knotBOT
hello licensing questions
woven otter
hello irc guy
limber knotBOT
still nobody has definitively told me yes I should or no I shouldnt GPL!!!! all i want is yes or no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
woven otter
but all you get is or
woven otter
gonna make XNOR license
limber knotBOT
so if i wanna change my license later how does dat work
woven otter
you can't. it's final
limber knotBOT
ive purposely avoided licensing my stuff cuz idk if ill be happy with a decision i made in the past
peak kite
I think M$ has some kinda license like that.. all the big companies do.. You just change it?
So then recode the damn thing and don't gpl it.
verbal sundial
You can change your license later but all previous commits are under that other license
peak kite
Lets see, jump here, direct there, re-arrange dbase.. make it multithread for no reason. recode, lets call it, "And Now for something Entirely New. V3"
verbal sundial
It gets to be really messy when you change a license because then you don't know which code has which license
This is why big software companies always put a license header in every class
celest coyote
Can the commenting in that pr get any more excessive?
woven otter
I think it needs more comments
golden gust
was created by some random guy who goes by the name of tux
Or maybe techcable
๐คท
jagged egret
Is it possible to send players packets asynchronously
limber knotBOT
why would it not be?
tawdry coyote
...
jagged egret
I dunno, Minecraft is weird man
limber knotBOT
I mean based on what you're trying to do it might cause some desync issues but overall I can't imagine it'd be an issue at a conceptual level
jagged egret
Oh this is for a new project
Just hypothetical for now
If you have discord I'll tell you more about it lol
limber knotBOT
I mean correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that some API elements send packets to players and you can easily async them
well this is a good look
someone sent their CV to my business
the email is like 10 paragraphs long
they sent it twice because they forgot to attach their CV the first time around
also it's 3:30 in the morning
void void
peak kite
Is there anyway to re-claim mysql space that dynmap has purged? It seems to keep the space as a blank cell or something.
golden gust
If you're using a file per table, the optimize command will do that
Otttherwise, rip
peak kite
all the data is in the mysql folder , a subfolder named dynmap with a tiles massive file.
golden gust
It's more down to your configuration than how it happens to sit on the disk
also, you'll need to have enough space to replicate the dataset
peak kite
so i guess i get to turn that on and delete 900gigs and do it all again.
golden gust
if the per table option wasn't set, yea, pretty much
peak kite
It was not, I have set other options like no binlog.. but not that ..
"The tablespace growth is exactly why you want innodb_file_per_table "
toxic ember
peak kite
Thanks kitteh!
This is insane, why would this be default...
"Without file per table, the ibdata file never compresses or shrinks or lessens in space ever. Not when you delete a row, drop a table, or a database. 2GB of data can become a 20GB file in no time if you have an active queuing system. "
I supposed with fixed size databases?
https://code.openark.org/blog/mysql/reasons-to-use-innodb_file_per_table
limber knotBOT
god the way I made this quest system makes me want to game end myself
it's pants on head retarded
peak kite
Even if I switch to file per table, I will still need half the space free to run optimize table...?
(or at least need enough space to hold new non-purged data)
Hmm, so I already had it on? The innodb_file_per_table option is enabled by default.
Oh well, I think I had more than half my drive used with sql data so i wouldn't benefit anyway, gotta run the optimize table whenever I do a purge i guess.
limber knotBOT
ur mom should try installing elitemobs again
ok
so imma take dat as
"no"
oh no bby pls I didn't mean it like that
proud lance
ur moms an elite mob
limber knotBOT
I keep trying to mix all of these quest systems into a megasystem and I'm starting to think that it's not a good idea
but do u have jo
I really should've started simpler with this one
realistically speaking custom quests will never use the dynamic quest constructor...
i want quests but i dont wanna make 'em
so if u doin something 2 make quests 4 me dat b grate
that's already in u scrub, at least if you're using the dev version
although they still have some dev-related bugs rn
"EliteQuest.generateRandomQuest(questTier);" shitting proc quests fasters than fallout 4
todd would be proud
(^-^) Todd's sweet little lies - length 3m 22s - 15,339 likes, 344 dislikes (97.8%) - 366,361 views - Miw360 on 2015.11.11
all of this just works
peak kite
HES FIGURED IT OUT! TOTALY!!!!!!!
He could be the next president?
It just worked, until I tried a mod, or get more than 60fps. Ok, TODDD.
I installed it on linux and it just worked....
peak kite
everything becomes magma and watiting on chunks?
limber knotBOT
no
he just setHealth(0) on everything
it's a fast one
no chance for suffering
limber knotBOT
last message printed twice
double death
god fucking damn it I swear clone() isn't working
I hate this
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your code sucks
limber knotBOT
agreed
i clone all the time in customitemrecipes iirc
just a sanity check
if you modify a cloned instance it should not affect the OG instance right
correct
make sure u assigning the cloned instance
I am
test driven development sounds like it could help u
test driven development is what's driving me insane here
u write tests?
yes
how is ur code such a mess den
that or ur tests r 2 complicated 4 u
it's not that I can't see where things are going wrong, it's just that the cloned instance isn't acting like a cloned instance
make more basic
print dem object hashes
peak kite
Waz benny hill the original creeper?
limber knotBOT
ur uncle was the og creeper
nah it wuz ur code
which is currently blowing up at u now
peak kite
There is no robot dmarker icon in dynmap, time to steal the one from discord and use it for my citizen2 bots. offlineuser is lame.
limber knotBOT
each clone is standalone right
if I make two clone of the same instance they are independent from each other?
Yes
limber knotBOT
oh the default clone implementation isn't deep?
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no
limber knotBOT
well fuck me
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it's probably implemented via a single memcpy :>
short yarrow
if I have to keep changing my interface very frequently removing methods or changing parameters for the methods, would that be a bad interface?
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not really
golden gust
Depends, really
If you're tryna create stable API, that defeats the entire purpose
Beyond that, an interface is designed to represent a contract of what it's implementations need, if that changes, I would question why you're changing it so often, but; If it's just a case of the app is expanding, it gets a bit iffy
short yarrow
yeah I'm thinking how can you create a really stable API. wouldn't you have to plan really far ahead?
golden gust
To a degree, yes
Pretty much part of planning ahead and knowing how to avoid ABI breaks
jaunty ice
fallen oracle
Bippity Boppity, you're now my property.
jaunty ice
aw ๐ฆ
fallen oracle
Which of your 9 monitors did you use to fix it?
golden gust
extends program to use all the monitors
fallen oracle
Ahh yes. Chad move.
Alright this place is too quiet.
I'm about to start dropping some shitty memes.
short yarrow
If you're running a server on the same scale as hypixel, would you setup something like ESXi and vSphere to easily deploy virtual machines?
limber knotBOT
man
the persona 5 soundtrack must be one of the most heavily used youtube bg OSTs that people use
it's so good and no one claims it lol
surreal mural
vestal jasper
Are you asking the difference between paper and paperclip?
gaunt aurora
yes
vestal jasper
Tldr paperclip pretty much patches the server jar and runs it
prime agate
void void
golden gust
You can't, basically
vestal jasper
Welcome to 1.14
gaunt aurora
bad.... ๐ฆ
golden gust
Mojangs implementation choice around sleeping between ticks basically eats CPU time vs sleeping, but does allow the server to offload some stuff between ticks
fallen oracle
Earlier today I was really ||horny||, and I saw what I thought to be a blank dvd. I thought, DVDs have a tight hole, they might feel pretty good. So I put my soft ||pp|| into the hole of the DVD, and for a few seconds as I started getting harder, it felt pretty good, but then, once I was fully ||erect||, it started being painful. My ||pp|| was stuck in the dvd, and I had to break it in half to get if out. It was then when I flipped the broken dvd over and realized that it was not a blank dvd, but a copy of the movie UP.
Well guys, guess I ||fucked|| up.
gaunt aurora
hm... spigot latest 10 %, paperclip 214 14 % cpu in idle. Wtf?
fallen oracle
lean otter
quartz haven
finite solar
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meanwhile
woven otter
what are you doing leaf
woven otter
well it's working great 
golden gust
About as expected
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IDEK WHAT BROKE IT
woven otter
u did
golden gust
I was supposed to have a doctors appointment today
Just had a call to say that they're cancelling it because they have no power
\o/
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rip
sharp nebula
woven otter
leaf just wondering would it work on players too? I'm actually more curious if players would see themselves floating on the clientside too
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clientside movement is all client
server just obeys and checks a little
shit's broken man 
found it
ORDER HAS BEEN RESTORED
woven otter
I was thinking more specifically about gravity. thought the client predicts the movement of things and what not
omfg a rabbit just fell down cuz I fixed it, heard it die 
hard viper
So if onGround is set to true in teleport packet the client won't predict gravity?
hard viper
I wonder if that can be used instead of NO_GRAVITY meta
woven otter
oh well
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it was funny
grizzled hearth
I wonder why minecraft let Client control a lot even if even on SP a local server is created
pulsar wigeon
movement is hard to do server side cuz latency
vestal jasper
also plugins can do that (and there's an uncountable amount that do) so ig it isn't a huge priority
pulsar wigeon
the server just needs to check more really
pearl ibex
@vestal jasper I've laughed to different animals dying, lmao. :P
zealous knot
vernal moth
proud lance
IRC
Discord
limber knotBOT
so apparently all tutorials that I find use fixed width sidebars instead of full, page-filling ones like I need them -.-
shit like this is why I hate frontend stuff
just use boostrap, their grid system is nice
or flexbox grid if you just care about the grid
Flex is the sex
I wish they had some documentation on how to use it xD
Flex box?
yeah
"at xs, sm, md & lg viewport widths." tf does this stand for?!? xD
https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guide-to-flexbox/ is useful for the concepts
they're different measurements, never used them
proud lance
xs = xtra small, sm = small, md = medium, lg = large
limber knotBOT
I use vw and vh often for doing stuff based on the viewport width and height
yeah I gues I'm not going to use that css but do it manually
takes longer to figure out how to use that one correctly than doing it myself
I often use flex to do sidebars and such
Set max width on a div with flex enabled on it. content is just flex:1; to fill and sidebar set to 250px or w.e.
but you can also use flex:.5; to fill half the width etc
yeah that wont work for me
the sidebars need to fill the full rest of the page left and right
yeah, non of the flex stuff is going to help me -.-
shouldn't it like stretch items so that they fill the full width? xD
ok now it's at least filling the width but it's pushing the center column to the right instead of making both left and right the same size?!?
if the columns need to be equal put flex:1; on both
and it'll do the rest
yeah, it doesn't
that's what I did
does their immediate parent have display:flex; on
and screenie?
yes, it's flex
Wierd, I don't know without taking a look
ok, I found out waht the issue was... I put in flex-grow: 1 instead of flex: 1 xD
ah lol
It's a grower, not a shower
now I just need to figure out why it's not stretching them over the full height :S
iirc they should fill the height of the parent container (but dont quote me on that)
well I'll only quote it if it would actually work xD
hm, apparently stretch is even supposed to be the default
ah, apparently it only works for absolute heights in the container...
upper flicker
Ugh, never get enough sleep
limber knotBOT
a wild Z750
Ik that feeling
sat on hold with BT Business at work
Only had 3hrs, sore throat and feel like shit
Whoever unlucky BT employee who gets me is going to wanna pray they survive
Thank god I borrowed a headset for my desk phone so my neck doesnt get murdered by holding my phone to my ear with my shoulder for 20mins in the damn queue
woven otter
no sleep only 5 hour energy
limber knotBOT
ah, so height: 100% breaks the flex stretching xD
mhm
You can't mix flex with percentages unless its the parent or a non flex container iirc
It just doesn't like it
void void
limber knotBOT
ok, so I just made most of the stuff flex instead of trying to use percentages and it now properly stretches everything :D
mhm
Flex is gr8 when you understand it and get it working
limber knotBOT
so I'm guessing what I have here is not a save queue https://github.com/RoboMWM/UsefulUtils/blob/master/src/main/java/com/robomwm/usefulutils/FileUtils.java
woven otter
has anyone here have been hired because of their minecraft related project because somehow I feel that they are not that valuable if you're looking for a job
heady spear
I've been hired by minecraft related companies xd
You can always spice up your resumรฉ a little. I've worked at several indie gaming studies, with network and game server related stuff
aka some rich kid paid me a little to make him an auction plugin in 2014
woven otter
yeah in that case sure. I'm just thinking about jobs that are not minecraft or gaming related.
heady spear
I make most of my projects open source to be able to justify using them when applying for certain jobs. A large-ish project on github looks good no matter what it's about. You also get experience when programming, which always looks good
Added database connectivity to a plugin? Congratulations, you know have experience working with databases.
Shared a project on github? You're a vcs expert.
woven otter
would be nice if it actually were that easy haha
limber knotBOT
commented on a github issue? you now excel at team communication!
potent warren
Just abstract Minecraft away!
limber knotBOT
yeah, unless you are applying to something game related just leave out what you worked on when mentioning skills ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
potent warren
used plugin messages? Expert at structured communication between different network machines
halcyon blaze
The difficult part is making a large open source project. If you have managed to do it, of course it's "easy" to write about it on your CV
wide chasm
Well, what's "large"?
limber knotBOT
you don't need to make one tbh, just take one you are actively using and start maintaining it xD
halcyon blaze
I don't know, and the person also said large-ish, so I don't know. That's beside the point
But yeah, most job applicants do not have those
fallen oracle
Might need to spice up mine with some of the projects I've worked on.
heady spear
I can transfer PlotSquared to anyone if y'all want a medium sized project to ruin
limber knotBOT
also if you created PRs for paper: "contributed to an open source, high performance gaming server project" ;D
fallen oracle
Throw in a little flex like: Worked with a team of developers on a game mode that has achieved 1,000,000+ downloads.
heady spear
the issues are spamming my email
woven otter
I wanted to apply to a job until I realized that I pretty much don't have any projects that are not related to minecraft
limber knotBOT
just auto close them 
heady spear
my intellij has been bloody slow ever since I started using the EAP .-.
proud lance
disable issues
halcyon blaze
@woven otter what kind of a job was it?
heady spear
Like IDEA is incredibly slow and nearly unusable
I guess my 8700 is becoming too old already
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/EevPRRx.png
here's the offer
wide chasm
Well, you already have the bottom 4; if you don't, now you do.
heady spear
Do you have experience with WEB servers?
fallen oracle
It's possible to grab "too much" from a single project in terms of describing it on your resume, right?
heady spear
I made one and idk if I trust my WEB experience
limber knotBOT
oh wow, I could be a senior developer
limber knotBOT
well, I've already got that part done
heady spear
You're never done with uni
woven otter
uni is done with you
modest orchid
halcyon blaze
If you know programming and have anything to show for it, it's really not that hard to find an entry level programming job
limber knotBOT
but I don#t want "entry level", want to get 5kโฌ/mo directly!!11
wide chasm
^
heady spear
Here it's bloody easy to become a software engineer, but if you want to become a computer engineer then you need a bullshit diploma. Good thing is you get twice the entry salary
ok this is it I'm done with intellij I'm just going to use nano instead
potent warren
lul
heady spear
It took 2 minutes to open the project view
wide chasm
Oh nooo!!1!
heady spear
5 seconds to scroll from the top to the bottom .-.
fallen oracle
Sounds like you got too much stuff.
halcyon blaze
@wheat quarry then you work for a few years and then you apply for the senior position
fallen oracle
You got way too much shit then
heady spear
It was fine until the last update tbh
lol "too much stuff" isn't really an excuse. Considering the price of this shit, you'd expect it to be able to handle 5 open files
dusk drift
Quak
fallen oracle
Do you have any excess plugins? Did you change the default heap size?
heady spear
Pressing the terminal button freezes the entire application for 3 seconds lmao
It's running with 4gb of ram and I've not installed anything new in ages
fallen oracle
The default heap size was like 500mb, I changed it to like 8GB
limber knotBOT
what kind of craptop do you run? lol
heady spear
to be fair though, ultimate has always ran worse than community edition
it's a desktop ๐ฆ
limber knotBOT
does anybody know if WorldGuard or WorldEdit have some kind of entity/enum name formating util built in?
fallen oracle
I have heard that ultimate is more intensive.
heady spear
I'm using an 8th gen i7 lol
wide chasm
I have an Intel Duo Core, no problems here either
limber knotBOT
but fine.
wat
as Glare said, try using more ram (looks like I have to 4 gigs on this machine and its currently using 900M)
halcyon blaze
Have you tried VSCode? I know it's not the most lightweight editor ever but it works well enough and is more usable than Nano
fallen oracle
Does VSCode even handle Java?
limber knotBOT
mine runs fine with ~700MB
heady spear
nano was a bit of a joke, I use nvim ๐
wide chasm
Mine usually uses ~1GB RAM
halcyon blaze
@fallen oracle yeah, I just noticed it yesterday. RedHat has made really good support for java for vscode
heady spear
But yeah idk what's wrong. It's been running fine for ages and now suddenly it's too bloody slow to even use
fallen oracle
Weird. IJ is just pretty easy to integrate with most things.
limber knotBOT
that is with my dyescape workspace open, so 30 projects, 14k java files, 1.5M LOC, lol
fallen oracle
Especially when it comes to plugins and you got Demons plugin.
halcyon blaze
@fallen oracle this is what I followed to set it up for plugin development https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/creating-a-blank-spigot-plugin-in-vs-code/
limber knotBOT
1.5M loc since this includes paper, lol
fallen oracle
Boutta learn Kotlin in about 2 hours and PR a new thing to it if I can even get that far.
That's pretty interesting that that works.
heady spear
vim is pretty damn great tbh, I like using it for everything but java
fallen oracle
Good to know if IJ ever shits on me
limber knotBOT
our plugins have 80k loc without the stuff we have in our core and in paper
fallen oracle
I'll just keep going until I give it all 32 damn GB
heady spear
because you pretty much have to run headless eclipse to get any sort of smart features
C development in vim is sexy tho
limber knotBOT
without an IDE I would be uncountably slower
wide chasm
Yeah, IDE > text editors imo
heady spear
idk what's up with my intellij problems tho, it's certainly not a CPU bottleneck
my cpu is at 10% .-.
vim is not a text editor ๐
limber knotBOT
do you have issues with any other program?
halcyon blaze
I'd say VSCode is definitely an IDE, even though they call it a "code editor", probably to not compete so directly with the big visual studio
heady spear
VS is the only reason to keep a windows partition tbh
stone silo
well, and gaming in general
heady spear
no dude use macos and apple arcade
stone silo
lmao
heady spear
it's mobile games, but on your computer!!
limber knotBOT
I mean steam's proton solves gaming too, lol
stone silo
I wouldn't say solves
heady spear
tbf I also need windows for lightroom and photoshop
fallen oracle
Si
stone silo
Adobe/MS Office/VS are some pretty fucking big reasons to use Windows
add gaming and it's no competition for me
heady spear
I love it when you downgrade intellij and it wants you to update your plugins to earlier versions
fallen oracle
Roommate is big adobe user.
heady spear
ok downgrading intellij works
neat
it's running really well now wtf
Also loading files from this nvme drive is kinda neat. It's almost worth the insane amount of money I had to spend on it
fallen oracle
Speaking of VS, boutta boot that puppy up.
halcyon blaze
@fallen oracle what kind of a project are you using VS for, just curious
fallen oracle
Class
woven otter
JetBrains IDEs are the only true IDEs
fallen oracle
We have 3 labs a week
Each one is different
Like last week I made a fully working checkers game from scratch. That was interesting.
I bounce around Java, PHP, C, and C# daily. I'm surprised I am still as sane as I am. It's almost daily I'm trying to figure out why documentation isn't working and it's typically I'm using wrong syntax.
limber knotBOT
Just got a new keyboard, so good. If any of you want a mechanical keyboard in a small form factor (or optionally wireless) checkout keychron k1
fallen oracle
Yeah, it's just the documentation syntax that gets me sometimes.
/// vs /**
stone silo
I used to bounce between PHP and C# for a while
it was so painful going from C# -> PHP
fallen oracle
Mhmm
heady spear
C and Java are not very hard to switch between ๐
until you try to achieve literally anything
potent warren
@fallen oracle why even use PHP ;-;
There's ASP.NET Core already
Just use that instead..
heady spear
PHP on HHVM is pretty good tbh
but then you might as well just use hack
hack is actually nice
https://hhvm.com
JIT :))))
austere ivy
I've seen C# "javadocs" and they're horrifying
heady spear
https://hacklang.org :]]]
$x = vec[2,1,3]
|> Vec\map($$, $a ==> $a * $a)
|> Vec\sort($$);
.-.
halcyon blaze
[2, 1, 3].map(a => a*a).sort()
javascript
limber knotBOT
C > C# > Java imo
hard gust
celest coyote
k
woven otter
o
quasi valley
no
fallen oracle
I've used the asp too
native helm
Anyone remember the last time I brought up malicious botnet plugins being distributed from Spigot a few months ago? Well they're back but they're not obfuscated the same anymore as far as I can tell and I was hoping someone might want to have a look and see if they can figure out how to stop them from working, like where they pull their target from. I can DM an example, not gonna post it here.
dusk drift
Can u DM me one of them?
limber knotBOT
ya dm me
wide chasm
Or/And me
native helm
idk how to dm irc people lol
quasi valley
just @ them
placid thicket
update on the bluescreens. figured out how to reliably trigger them
using crunchyroll either in the app or on the website causes system lockup then watchdog violation bluescreen
dusk drift
placid thicket
seems directly caused by crunchyroll as i have been unable to lock up the system in any other way
quasi valley
it's because of all its weeb series
placid thicket
anybody else willing to attempt to crash win10?
dusk drift
stop watching weeb stuff
placid thicket
not mine, i'm just IT >.>
icy pewter
charred hound
^
void void
get out of class early
me: cool ill take the freeway and get home even faster
freeway: cut down to one lane from three because of road maintenance, but the maintenance is 3 miles away and the lanes are cut down for miles for absolutely not fucking reason
me: gets home at the same time as if class would have ended normal time
proud lance
Tell me about it, the construction to expand the highway when I go visit my parents is has been going on for 5 years now
stone silo
my drive to work is something like 20 miles on the freeway
it's been under construction for 4-5 years
today the new part FINALLY opened with a shoulder and full width lanes
limber knotBOT
mfw one of my jenkins builds took 37 minutes
limber knotBOT
ok so how do I figure out which depency is making my project use some broken repository? -.-
*dependency
quasi valley
IJ's maven depend tree is helpful
well it would be, if you could a) actually move around that window with your cursor and b) move single boxes without getting stage 4 cancer
quasi valley
scrolling up and down won't help me move sideways (talking about general movement, not zooming) ๐
limber knotBOT
just use the scroll bars xD
no
I guess I just set a mirror in my settings ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
woven otter
Kenny ur bad
limber knotBOT
ok, wtf, it's still trying to pull from the broken repo even though a mirror was set? wat
heady spear
ur face is a broken repo
woven otter
urs too
heady spear
I'll find you and I will eat you
limber knotBOT
oh and apparently it's viaversion -.-
woven otter
oof kinky
limber knotBOT
maybe I should update from 1.0 viaversion as a dependency lmao
heady spear
is dating someone just so they'll help you with math wrong?
limber knotBOT
depends
heady spear
I'll take that as a no
limber knotBOT
e.g. are they actually good at math? :P
fallen oracle
I was actually thinking this the other day
heady spear
They're good alright, also a year ahead of me and a math major
fallen oracle
You'd probably learn easier from someone you're closer to
heady spear
which means they've taken all of the courses I'm going to take.
woven otter
it's not wrong if they enjoy it
fallen oracle
Do you plan to leave them when you're done?
heady spear
Relationships don't last forever, plus they're going to graduate before I'm done with my degree so they're most likely going to move away
long distance relationships tend to fall apart
woven otter
that's some nice rationalization
fallen oracle
Interesting
heady spear
when you have crazy russian math profs that can't teach you sort of have to think outside the box
Plus I mean they're into me so I'd be doing them a favour. I'm super nice like that
static badge
you'd prefer a japanese one wouldn't you, weeaboo
woven otter
ur a goose
heady spear
No, they're from Greece which is cool because I've played a lot of ac odyssey
however they did ask me whether or not I watch anime so I was a bit spooked
then we didn't talk for 2 months
limber knotBOT
I would say to just be open to ending up to actually spend the rest of your life with a person :P
woven otter
so you would be learning math in exchange of doing sexual favours
limber knotBOT
spending your life with someone doesn't mean you need to love them, lol
heady spear
but if I'm not getting math out of it, then it wouldn't be worthwhile
unless we can switch it up to meth at that point. Fair deal.
fallen oracle
We're all cucks for free stuff.
woven otter
instead of being a meth whore you're a math whore
heady spear
I can be both
woven otter
yes but only one of them is better
heady spear
Meth is expensive. I wouldn't say no ๐คท
woven otter
how would you know ๐ค
heady spear
lol so there's a debate at my uni because the profs are claiming that using past exams to study is cheating
heady spear
And graded exams are public here, so they basically want to make sure we can't get ahold of graded exams
which is bs
woven otter
well if you can remember answers from past exams then yeah it kinda is
fallen oracle
They are different problems
heady spear
You need to memorize the method, and it's the fault of the professor for reusing exam questions every fucking session in that case
fallen oracle
Yell at the prof
heady spear
This wouldn't be necessary if they were willing to teach properly in the first place
woven otter
we with our coursemates kinda did pull that off. pretty much because we remembered the answers from old tests
heady spear
But considering the exams have zero relation to the material they teach, I'll go for the exams.
Also, the grading is extremely subjective and they get mad if you don't use the exact method they had in mind
limber knotBOT
we were allowed to use calculators with text storage in physics classes... and the teacher used the exact same tests each year xD
heady spear
but they never teach that, so the only way to find out what they want is by checking their grading
limber knotBOT
so most people just had the full tests in their calculators xD
woven otter
wow you must have very advanced calculators
heady spear
Our calculators have to be reset, and they can search you if they think you're cheating
fallen oracle
heady spear
if you get caught you're sent to a disciplinary hearing in front of professors, a select group of students from the student union together with the head administrator
limber knotBOT
lol
heady spear
if there's sufficient evidence that you've cheated you can't attend universities in the country anymore
limber knotBOT
we actually learned how to write custom programs for out calculators to simplify stuff in the tests
unreal quarry
limber knotBOT
*our
fallen oracle
Yeah we got taught that too
heady spear
So like, cheating really isn't a good idea over here tbh
unless you wanna move to norway to finish your degree
fallen oracle
Don't think it is anywhere
woven otter
that's interesting
heady spear
That said, it's still bloody easy and anyone can pull it off
in math and physics exams we have these 600 page formula books (two, in most courses)
fallen oracle
We had people do fake tattoos before
heady spear
and they just check a couple of pages to see if there's writing
vestal jasper
I hate being asked questions I'm not prepared for reeeeeee
static badge
vic r u retarded
vestal jasper
thanks leaf
fallen oracle
That was a question
heady spear
ik it sucks especially when the police hits you with the dumbest shit out of nowhere and you get sent to jail for a month for a crime you barely committed
vestal jasper
then you know the answer to the question, glare
heady spear
Vic is bae stop bullying leaf or I'll hit you
you spend all your day programming in a dark basement I bet your bones are weak from vitamin D deficiency you'll break in half
fallen oracle
Damn
modest orchid
tranquil pivot
woven otter
what a nice roast
pulsar wigeon
roast duck
imgur disabled hotlinking apparently
time to get a new image host for sharex
woven otter
oh really? that sucks
woven otter
oh really?
pulsar wigeon
maybe discord changed something
vestal jasper
discord's been getting cucked with their embeds lately
merry talon
same thing happened with youtube
fallen oracle
Blame Fortnite
fallen oracle
What else would you use
void void
You can get kicked out of a school here and it goes on record, so your admission to other schools is fucky but not impossible per se. (USA)
potent warren
ermmmmm
peak kite
Just copy the image and paste it into discords chat box.
potent warren
Someone sent me a jar of a cracked plugin to have a look around aaaaand it wasn't obfuscated.. But, I saw this..
fallen oracle
Lmao what
tawdry coyote
decompiler issues ftw
potent warren
@woven otter I know the source of that cracked plugin now
hehe
I'm going to decode those strings.. sec
woven otter
looks very fishy
paper hazel
limber knotBOT
Update your servers guys
There's a bug in sudo that could let anybody execute commands as root
limber knotBOT
sudo -u#-1 ID -u whoami
void void
Yeh I'm the only SSH user. But yeah upgraded anyway.
limber knotBOT
Any plugin on your server could use this to gain root
limber knotBOT
Quick, rm -rf on some shared host ๐
void void
Probably a webapp could do it too
woven otter
i guess this is huge
limber knotBOT
Because like, which kiddy host actually updates their systems
Has somebody access to some shared host and try if this actually works?
No need to remove files, just tree / would be funny enough
I would write a plugin to allow exploiting this but I am not at home
But this is really easy to exploit anyways
limber knotBOT
.g free Minecraft host
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pulsar wigeon
dont those free hosts have preapproved plugins to install or something
woven otter
well what if they allow you to run skript?
limber knotBOT
Can script use system.exec?
woven otter
I believe you can even use reflection there
@potent warren would know
I guess stef too
potent warren
hmmm
cosmic raft
this is interesting
opened google chrome to use the "translate to english" right-click option
but it won't translate from chinese
limber knotBOT
It does for me all the time
cosmic raft
it has in the past for me
but it isn't today
works for other pages in other languages
rain orbit
Anyone wants to be "mining" pi coins? Currently its just an app on Android and iOS, they are giving out coins before they are making it transactionable in early 2020, it doesnt use your phone power its one click per 24h. You would need to use a referral code to get in, you can use "migwynkriid" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blockchainvault
dusk drift
then he fucking REMOVED IT
jaunty oriole
1 star!!! your plugin doesn't work and i haven't even tried contacting you !!!
dusk drift
http://cdn.hexedhero.com/u/NinItkW4GS.jpg
and put another
~[patched_1.14.4.jar:git-Paper-135]
jaunty oriole
135 :omegalul:
dusk drift
jaunty oriole
huh
dusk drift
Fucking first 1.14.4 build
celest coyote
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) This Is What Happens When You Re-Upload a YouTube Video 1000 Times! - length 15m 4s - 123,546 likes, 1,807 dislikes (98.6%) - 2,243,534 views - Marques Brownlee on 2019.10.11
peak kite
potent warren
I'm sitting in a room...
jagged egret
Twitter
by not running it in a console
ez
why
well I'm not too familiar with csharp but you'd want to research running a command and reading the output stream or something like that
in Java you create a process and then you can read its output stream
jagged egret
bc rcon is nasty
wdym you'd like the logging?
yea you'd just print that out yourself after reading it from the stream
don't use rcon.
i mean you could but rcon is bleh
Especially if you're running said software on the same machine as the servers
safe tide
Can yall help me figure out why this final ChannelPipeline pipeline = this.getChannel(player). pipeline.addBefore("packet_handler", player.getUniqueId().toString(), new PacketHandler_v1_13_R2(player)); is causing players to not be able to join code for PackHandler can be found here https://github.com/Qballl/StaffPlus/blob/master/v1_13_R2/src/main/java/net/shortninja/staffplus/server/compatibility/v1_1x/PacketHandler_v1_13_R2.java
nope still havent figured out this markdown formatting
jagged egret
yeah. change 'return false' to 'return true', with the implementation of AbstractPacketHandler (see lines 18-20 and 25-27), returning false from your handler cancels the packet. So I believe you're cancelling everything
final ChannelPipeline pipeline = this.getChannel(player).pipeline.addBefore("packet_handler", player.getUniqueId().toString(), new PacketHandler_v1_13_R2(player));
markdown I used - http://i.imgur.com/vAJWySW.png
Anyone know why this would be the case https://hasteb.in/dijiyume.css? Crashes my server when I try to invoke #getNearbyEntities
jagged egret
np
void void
booked my tickets to the phils for next june \o/
this booking agency has mixed reviews tho so
lets hope
jagged egret
noice
proud lance
gonna git that balut
safe tide
yo why I got this dumb-taco-hater role I love tacos
golden gust
@jagged egret server software/version?
golden gust
spigot, rip
jagged egret
I'll update, just realized it's been forever since my last update
BuildTools is really quite a pain compared to Paperclip lol
golden gust
Baaasiically, getNearbyEntities is loading chunks in spigot
jagged egret
Oh. Yep, that's what I figured - that it was doing something regarding chunk loading which was screwing everything up. I'm calling it when a player joins so the chunks around them haven't loaded in yet
I'll just implement my own that checks to make sure the chunks are actually loaded
golden gust
Spigot has a bit of a gotcha around chunks there
Basically, Mojang's changes in 1.14 means that chunks now basically have a "loaded but not loaded" state, paper aims to treat the "not fully there chunks" as "not being there" vs spigot which can potentially trigger them to fully load
jagged egret
Interesting
static badge
thankfully paper is smarterer
grand pewter
is there any way to ban/unban players by UUID or is that not something thats implemented atm, couldnt find any methods in api
grand pewter
ohhhhhh
so String name can also be a UUID
nvm its String target huh
ah but its BanList.Type.NAME
ill try that out i guess lol
golden gust
Basically, "mah backwards compat"
static badge
ur compat retard
golden gust
Alllso, you can't actually pass a UUID string to it? Looks like it requires a name
huh
We've apparently had the forums for like a year now
static badge
it's easy to ignore trash :>
jagged egret
So electroniccat would Chunk#isLoaded work properly still?
golden gust
Obtaining a reference to a Chunk will load the chunk
jagged egret
o.o
static badge
as for our entity remove from world events
golden gust
You'd want the method on World for that, but basically, with spigot, no
jagged egret
why is it even a method then
static badge
wait what's the question
golden gust
Because it used to work properly, spigot just doesn't handle it as well as paper does
static badge
thought we were on isloaded here
golden gust
isLoaded loading chunks
jagged egret
why is Chunk#isLoaded a thing if it would always return true
pulsar wigeon
are bukkit chunks not weak
static badge
oh that bug we fixed months ago
golden gust
Because chunks load afterwards
jagged egret
okay so what about World#isChunkLoaded?
would that work properly? or am i gonna have to do some janky reflection or some garbage
pulsar wigeon
eg private Chunk chunk; onLoad(ChunkLoadEvent e) { if (chunk == null) chunk = e.getChunk(); Bukkit.runTask(pl, () -> Sys.out.println(chunk.isLoaded()), 20000); }
static badge
for spigot you should just pretend it works and if it doesn't blame them 
pulsar wigeon
would that task load the chunk again if it had been unloaded?
golden gust
Spigot will cause a chunk which isn't fully loaded yet to load when you try to check if it's loaded
static badge
that's only for chunks at level > 33
err ones that are loading
the specific issue was always getIfLoaded waiting on a load
golden gust
CraftChunk maintains a weakref to the nms Chunk, isLoaded will return false on Chunk if the backing chunk actually unloads
Yea, I just spotted one of my patches where I actually say the derp there, I was partially misremembering the issue
Mojangs chunk stuff is amazing :L
jagged egret
So how should I do this on Spigot
static badge
pretend it works
golden gust
On spigot, ^
static badge
blame spigot else
golden gust
Or basically, "defer the task so you're not hitting new players"
static badge
spigot doesn't even properly implement loadchunk(x, z, false) too
jagged egret
there's no way I can use reflection or anything to?
jagged egret
'cause I mean I can't exactly publish something on the Spigot resources section and be like "Use Paper or this will crash your server"
static badge
the bug shouldn't be enough to kill a server
golden gust
Spigot uses getChunkAt, which will basically process the task queue for chunks which will process loading of any chunks which where basically pending to be loaded; any reason you're running it against players are they're logging in?
oh wow, brain 10/10 there
jagged egret
It runs whenever a metadata packet is sent to a player, to figure out what entity the metadata packet belongs to
static badge
are you running that off-main?
golden gust
Do you have the entities ID?