general

[golden gust]

Kinda keeping it on the somewhat DL due to the community I'm around

[woven otter]

understandable

[celest coyote]

Cat pls reply can i haz admin

[golden gust]

Don't wanna go crazy and hype it out and stuff, especially when I don't even have much setup 😄

Do I know you?

[celest coyote]

[azure patio]

:O

[woven otter]

do you mind sharing a link on dms etc or not

[golden gust]

🤷

[worn ember]

dont allow the ducks

[azure patio]

and weebs with furry suits?

[woven otter]

well if you don't would be interesting to see how it's going

[worn ember]

leaving you on read

[woven otter]

maybe he has something against ducks

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/axBGKkK5yeA

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) I Pretended To Be A Sugar Baby - length 16m 32s - 82,645 likes, 910 dislikes (98.9%) - 1,768,123 views - Memeulous on 2019.07.11

[worn ember]

🤔

imagine having 150tb bandwidth and be worried about it

[woven otter]

not gonna lie listening to funk was a good decision

[worn ember]

whats funk?

[grand slate]

@worn ember memeulous no funny

[worn ember]

is it like funny punk

@grand slate have you played the snek game yet

[grand slate]

no u havent' sent it to me

[worn ember]

https://snek.darkeyedragon.me/game/12345

[grand slate]

ur controls are broken

i hit up and it just goes down

[worn ember]

hmm its lagging

[grand slate]

bro ur vps is shite

[woven otter]

it's a genre probably not for anyone that's into modern music but then again idk

[worn ember]

ig it is lmao

[grand slate]

yea gayz has left the server

[worn ember]

😦

idk why its laggy

[woven otter]

ye it's still laggy

[worn ember]

probably just shitty network lol

[rugged salmon]

@worn ember

[worn ember]

?

[rugged salmon]

how many users are you planning to host?

[worn ember]

idk haha

[rugged salmon]

on those 4 servers

define some max

also

[worn ember]

oh that was a random post

not mine

[rugged salmon]

with 150mb you should be worried 😄

[worn ember]

only server i got is a shitty vps

mb?

are you blind

it said TB

[rugged salmon]

aaa wait

its tb

I was thinking about speed

[worn ember]

idk the speed

[rugged salmon]

nevermind....

[worn ember]

lol

[rugged salmon]

well 150mb/s may be bottleneck 😄

for 4 servers + website probably 😄

[worn ember]

lol no shit

hard to debug when your console is literally spammed lmao

[rugged salmon]

grep ? 😄

[worn ember]

nah its node debug with socket io debug

wait whats grep

[azure patio]

um

xd

[rugged salmon]

ok, but you can use grep 😄

[azure patio]

cat log path | grep arguments

eg "error"

[worn ember]

errors arent the issue

[azure patio]

oh

[worn ember]

random long response times are

[rugged salmon]

grep is stream filterer

[worn ember]

look at the 4th last line

[azure patio]

grep will just grabe the lines

with

the world

[worn ember]

+592ms out of nowhere

when everything else is about 66

[void void]

whats the +

is that how long the event took?

[worn ember]

writing and receiving

yeah

i might just drop the packet if its longer than 100ms lul

[void void]

yeah i still dont understand what these millisecond times are

[worn ember]

they're websockets, so i suppose the writing one is the time it took to send the packet? and the received is the time to get a response back?

encoding is 0ms so thats not an issue at all

[rugged salmon]

wait

[worn ember]

(this isnt mc related at all btw) incase im confusing people

[rugged salmon]

yeah, I was thinking wth plugin is it

[worn ember]

seems to be related to sending the keypress event from the client 🤔

[rugged salmon]

what is your ping?

[worn ember]

28ms when pinging

socket.io:socket got packet {"type":2,"nsp":"/","data":["keyPress","ArrowUp"]} +672ms but occasionally it jumps to this when playing

[void void]

but what is the time actually representing

[grand slate]

just shitty host imo

also, lel, you're using Node

[void void]

how long it took to receieve that packet? to recieve an ack from some other message? what

[worn ember]

idk tbh 🤔 lemme check the docs, probably between the ACK and Receiving

[void void]

yes obviously node is the issue, great work Rayz!

[grand slate]

well, it's not going to help using nodejs

because node is rarted

[void void]

what should he use instead?

and why

[azure patio]

for what

[rugged salmon]

well it may be:

• unstable net on your side
• unstable net on server side
• server overhead, idk how node process request 😄

[worn ember]

rayz at it again lmao

[azure patio]

dildo?

[worn ember]

it works perfectly fine clientside

[azure patio]

what are you doing?

[worn ember]

well when running a local server

so probably unstable network

ive had a similar issue before when using get requests to send data (cuz nginx wasnt proxying websockets)

i thought it was related to that but i guess not

@azure patio working on a mp snake game

[void void]

you should just use websockets, not socket.io

[azure patio]

and you are using nodejs?

[worn ember]

the overhead of socket io is minimal

[potent warren]

does Minecraft "tick" things on every tick?

[void void]

theres no point in these graceful fallback libraries, just use sockets

[azure patio]

I recommend using something else

[rugged salmon]

@potent warren Yes

[void void]

@azure patio use what else and why?

[worn ember]

this still wont change anything imo

[rugged salmon]

use PHP....

[azure patio]

I don't like nodejs

:)

[rugged salmon]

^^^

[worn ember]

sucks to be you

[grand slate]

PHP

no

[heady spear]

I'm watching driving instruction videos from the UK and I feel like this could be a horrible idea

[rugged salmon]

Why not? 😄

[worn ember]

i might retry it in ASP, but tell me that wont have more overhead lmao

[heady spear]

fast forward to me on my driving test, on the wrong side of the road lol

[worn ember]

"i dont like node so you should use something else" - people who have no idea wtf they're talking about

[void void]

neither of them have chimed in with their preferred thing and why it's better

[golden gust]

I mean, node is bad

but not as bad as you

[azure patio]

^^

[worn ember]

sure js is big gay but still

[rugged salmon]

Node is not designed for backend

[golden gust]

The obvious answer here is to go grab a vintage machine and fire up basic

[worn ember]

TypeScript solves a lot of that

[rugged salmon]

but still...

why to mine using shovel?

[worn ember]

explain

[void void]

node is designed for backend you silly

[worn ember]

you keep telling me its bad but havent giving me any reason why so

[void void]

what else would it be for

[rugged salmon]

node was created cuz of big JS community

[worn ember]

JS is extremely fast lmao

[rugged salmon]

there is a lot of JS programmers who are so deep into JS that they can't switch

thats why they created node so they can do everything in JS

[azure patio]

rip

[worn ember]

i used node cuz i wanted to see why everyone hates it so much

[grand slate]

JS is just disgusting, it's not causing your issues ut switch

[worn ember]

and tbh i think its ungrounded

other than the fact that js is dynamically typed and shite to debug

[rugged salmon]

^^^

[void void]

Rayz, what would you recommend he use instead of node for his websocket based game?

[worn ember]

inb4 java

[rugged salmon]

JS is shit to maintain, write, debug and whatever you want to do

[worn ember]

they have classes now

its a lot better than it used to be

[grand slate]

literally anything

[void void]

such as?

[rugged salmon]

yeah, but still

[woven otter]

php

[worn ember]

kobal

[rugged salmon]

100 years after indians

[void void]

you sound pretty dumb if you just say somethings shite and not suggest anything better

[rugged salmon]

PHP, in terms of speed

PHP 7 is quite fast and stable

[azure patio]

asp

[woven otter]

but it's php

[rugged salmon]

supported by any webserver

a lot of modules

Symfony framework or maybe Laravel

[void void]

hes doing websockets

[rugged salmon]

or some mini framework if you dont need it

[worn ember]

i dont think php has event based sockets?

[rugged salmon]

@void void yeah, I forgot about it for a moment xD

[void void]

also node runs on V8, one of the most advanced VMs around

[rugged salmon]

https://reactphp.org/

those days every main language has sockets

[worn ember]

how is php better than node tho, its also dynamically typed and if you're lucky its 0.001seconds faster for every 1000 computations

[robust quest]

1.15 snapshot dropped

They added bees

[woven otter]

how bad is it

[azure patio]

wuut

[void void]

js doesnt even have sockets actually

[azure patio]

bees?

[worn ember]

performance?

[robust quest]

There is no blog post yet

[void void]

js has nothing without node or web standards etc

[woven otter]

no bees

[robust quest]

Yet a tweet

[woven otter]

Bs

[rugged salmon]

well performance is important, but

[worn ember]

its like talking to a brick wall smh

[azure patio]

that's messed up

[rugged salmon]

50 ms vs 60 ms or something like this

no difference

[azure patio]

liiepofjpsjg

[grand slate]

@worn ember either your code is shit, or node is shit (probably not causing this), or your vps is shit

[worn ember]

the network wont magically improve because you use php lol

im going to blame the unstable network

maybe its cloudflare though

[azure patio]

[worn ember]

probably trying to cache some stuff resulting is weird shit

[woven otter]

blame the guy who wrote the code dark

[grand slate]

which is dark rart

[azure patio]

they add bees

why the yadd

[rugged salmon]

well what I mean that difference in request processing isn't that big

[azure patio]

thuinga

]when they

have broken game

[rugged salmon]

between languages

but PHP is totally more worth even if slightly slower

[worn ember]

as long as performance increased idc what they add

[void void]

im just laughing at these guys who say node bad but cant explain it well

[worn ember]

+1

[azure patio]

everything is better than node

but now other side

WTF MOJANG

[worn ember]

im all for trying new stuff (reason im using node for this in the first place)

but at least back up your shit

[rugged salmon]

node is bad cuz it's JS based lol

[worn ember]

and js is bad why?

[worn ember]

minecraft is slowly turning into its own modpack

[void void]

kind of weird to say js bad then recommend php instead

[left yacht]

1.15 going to be running @ 1tps with a single player soon here

[void void]

seems like bait

[left yacht]

ily prplz

[azure patio]

it's big

[rugged salmon]

JS wasn't designed for backend

[azure patio]

iot's bigget tgan dog

[void void]

js and php are probably just as bad

[azure patio]

node is bsased on scrip language

scrip is bad

[void void]

and php isnt a scripting language?

you make no sense

[azure patio]

use asp

I idnt say php

fgts

[hot tendon]

.flags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[worn ember]

ive used both, PHP isnt much better than JS

[azure patio]

but it is better 🤔 at least little

[rugged salmon]

well time is money

you can do same in JS

[worn ember]

Windows is better than linux because i dont like linux

[rugged salmon]

but you will spend more time

[worn ember]

💯 argument

[rugged salmon]

and it will be pain to debug and maintain

[azure patio]

fgtrs everyone

hate u all

fam

nighto

[worn ember]

no u

[rugged salmon]

another problem is as I mentioned before

[azure patio]

[worn ember]

its as maintainable as you make it

[rugged salmon]

most of the JS comunnity are UI programmers

not backend or system programmers

[azure patio]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-hate-myself-zero-two-gif-12180957

[woven otter]

Arisa

please

[azure patio]

no

u

[rugged salmon]

so don't expect them to bring you good quality code for backend

or find good backedn programmer

writting in JS

[worn ember]

seems perfectly maintainable in my eyes

[void void]

damn this guy is very anti js

[worn ember]

"you use js for front end so your code is shit"

[rugged salmon]

something like this

[worn ember]

thats basically what you're telling here right?

[void void]

how about most php programmers are people who only know how to code crappy vulnerable wordpress sites

[rugged salmon]

JS is designed for frontend ;D

[worn ember]

its designed for whatever you design it for

Java is only made for client side, server is trash

[rugged salmon]

@void void thats true, but at least its not written in JS XD

[worn ember]

seems all biased to me

[void void]

very

[woven otter]

https://i.imgur.com/P6awvoR.jpg

[worn ember]

minecraft is written in Java, and it sucks in performance, java is trash

[void void]

there are people coding good and bad systems in every language, stop telling people off for using node

[wide chasm]

No, Java is high performance, I learned that from Mineacademy.

[worn ember]

Nono thats JavaSkript

[wide chasm]

Ah, shit, I bought the wrong course.

Oh well

[rugged salmon]

xD

[grand slate]

js is trash, admit it, it's ok on the web, b ut anything else i'd say don't use it

[woven otter]

X is shit because Y uses X and it's shit

[worn ember]

except i did

wtf you gonna do about it

[void void]

js is the ONLY thing on the web dumbass

when is this guy going to start making sense

[worn ember]

it was originally made for client side scripts ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide chasm]

What about Java Applets?
runs

[azure patio]

kms

[void void]

didnt we outlaw those already?

[rugged salmon]

what about flash player? 😄

[worn ember]

KMS server?

[grand slate]

well you go back to using JS

[fallen oracle]

Morning

[grand slate]

have fun

[woven otter]

tbh no matter what you will use you will get shit for it at some point

[grand slate]

this server doesn't support JS sorry

[worn ember]

i am having fun

[azure patio]

Glare

[void void]

i dont use js, i dont prefer js

[azure patio]

ban tjem all;

they are crazy

all of them

[worn ember]

i might swatch to TypeScript tho

[azure patio]

all

[void void]

theres are big problems in js and node

[worn ember]

*switch lol

[fallen oracle]

I don't have perms to ban males.

[azure patio]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-cry-anime-love-lab-sad-gif-7353410

[woven otter]

paper is not a place for seasoned weebs

[potent warren]

@worn ember hmmm

[worn ember]

@potent warren everyone hating on my boi JS

[potent warren]

I wonder why would that be...

[rugged salmon]

tbh, you can use JS for whatever you want, but I don't know any big company that uses node.js in their mainline products.... 😄

[void void]

🤔

[rugged salmon]

Did you hear about nodejs software houses?

[worn ember]

🤔

[fallen oracle]

So I guess we're not getting a 1.14.5

[woven otter]

I used Ruby. Give me shit for it

[rugged salmon]

Python - yes, PHP - yeah, but nodejs software house? - nope

Ruby is not bad

[azure patio]

Glare they added bees

and they did not optimize

anything

it's slow

[potent warren]

@woven otter at least it's not Skript runs

[azure patio]

same

[rugged salmon]

but

Ruby is slow, yeah

[azure patio]

still stupid async of theirs

[fallen oracle]

That's typical of them.

[rugged salmon]

but fast to write

[woven otter]

lel

[worn ember]

saying js is shit
praising python

🤔

[fallen oracle]

At least we still have over a month before any real release.

[rugged salmon]

and Ruby is used for eg. Chef, very useful in automation when your time is more valuable than execution time

[woven otter]

believing in opinions

[void void]

@worn ember hey man we're here trying to be against people just trashing languages for no reason

[azure patio]

MC2019

[worn ember]

clearly

[potent warren]

hmmm

Custom blocks?

[azure patio]

vanilla

[worn ember]

its ok, im used to it 🙂

people trash C# all the time too lol

[void void]

python is great but it has problems too

[woven otter]

those bees are fat

[azure patio]

C# is one of the best

...

[potent warren]

^^

C# or nothing.

[azure patio]

C++

also

is good

[worn ember]

C can go suck big dick tho lol

[rugged salmon]

Python is nice for data sience

[potent warren]

I'm just waiting for .NET 5 to release along with Java interop so I can make Paper plugins on C#

[azure patio]

Python

[rugged salmon]

and quick web development

[azure patio]

slowest

thing ever Python script language

[rugged salmon]

did you compile it?

[void void]

C++ is great, once you've used it for 10 years and can read everyones template metaprogramming wizardry :D

[rugged salmon]

did you try cython?

[worn ember]

i dont think i want to

[potent warren]

inb4 Jython

[azure patio]

C++ is not that hard it's just more datailed C#

C++ should be used for serious things

[worn ember]

Gaython

[potent warren]

If only Paper supported C# plugins 😭

[rugged salmon]

C++ is nice for games 😄

[void void]

hard to know what's bait and what's not in this conversation :(

[azure patio]

smh

[worn ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent warren]

🤷

[woven otter]

Assume everything is bait and bait yourself

[worn ember]

@azure patio https://youtu.be/-knYdOywsEE oh look, a weeb song, but not sang with annoying weeb voices

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Boku No Hero Academia - PEACE SIGN - (FULL English Opening 2) OP cover by Jonathan Young - length 4m 19s - 115,561 likes, 2,389 dislikes (98.0%) - 10,676,783 views - Jonathan Young on 2017.09.25

[potent warren]

why fight them, when you can join them?

[woven otter]

^

[void void]

<insert joke about being a master baiter>

[woven otter]

call leaf

[void void]

<everyone laughs>

[woven otter]

leaf is the true masterbaiter

[azure patio]

tbh the only programming languages I like are C++, C#

[potent warren]

when will Java get descructors? I'm wanting to destroy my objects' instances with instance)(; /s

[azure patio]

nothing else

[graceful wyvern]

Clojure

[woven otter]

the best programming language is html. Change my mind

[potent warren]

Did you mean: Skript?

[void void]

@graceful wyvern are you more of a common lisp kind of guy?

[worn ember]

html is an implementation of XML so what you're refersing to is...

[graceful wyvern]

no I like my java

[worn ember]

weebs

[woven otter]

I only write performant and readable brainfuck

[potent warren]

ide for BrainFuck when?

[wide chasm]

I'm personally more a fan of Malbolge.

[graceful wyvern]

but there’s a lovely convo in another one of my discords about someone trying to change an entire tech stack to clojure

[worn ember]

emojilang?

[potent warren]

inb4 RubbaLang

[graceful wyvern]

so I just came to say

[worn ember]

no u

[graceful wyvern]

You want emoji based Lang?

[woven otter]

assembly is the only true language the rest are just derivatives

[graceful wyvern]

https://www.emojicode.org/

Your welcome

[potent warren]

This is the best language ever. https://i.imgur.com/Buq5tAY.png /s

[azure patio]

there is pikachu programming lancguage

.g pika programming language

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) http://trove42.com/introducing-pikachu-programming-language/ -- Introducing The Pikachu Programming Language - A...: "Aug 21, 2017 ... The Pikachu programming language is a language designed for Pikachus. ... contains only the following three syntax elements : pi,..."

[azure patio]

use that

perverts

[wide chasm]

FiM++

[woven otter]

.g FiM++

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://esolangs.org/wiki/FiM++ -- FiM++ - Esolang: "Oct 4, 2012 ... FiM++ is an object-oriented language made by fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, which takes its name from the initials of..."

[azure patio]

hot

[potent warren]

Skript is the best programming language. Change my mind.

[azure patio]

.kill NickAc

[limber knot]

stabs NickAc in the heart a few times with a sword blade.

[potent warren]

😦

[azure patio]

:)

[worn ember]

get rekt

[potent warren]

.kill Arisa

[limber knot]

reaches out and punches right through Arisa's chest.

[woven otter]

.lart Arisa

[limber knot]

enrolls Arisa in Visual Basic 101.

[worn ember]

rip boobies

[azure patio]

I have boobs

[potent warren]

.lart Arisa

[azure patio]

protection

[limber knot]

puts 'alias vim=emacs' in Arisa's /etc/profile.

[azure patio]

I have small boobs

:{

[potent warren]

lmao

.lart

[woven otter]

that would mean you're older than 15

but you are 9

[potent warren]

9 year old gang

[azure patio]

[worn ember]

or its 45 yo manboobs

[azure patio]

perv

[potent warren]

no u @worn ember

[woven otter]

Arisa is a fbi agent

[worn ember]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rhGMWn0ZwH6CI

[potent warren]

.fbi Arisa

whoops

it no work

[wide chasm]

Wtf is that gif.

[worn ember]

i got no fucking clue

[azure patio]

fbi agent

dude

[woven otter]

yes

[azure patio]

.g fbi online form

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.fbi.gov/tips -- Submit a Tip — FBI: "Use our Online Tips and Public Leads form to report information on criminal activity and ... Call 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324) for the Major Case Contact..."

[potent warren]

https://tenor.com/bak2q.gif

[worn ember]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dodgeball-28A92fQr8uG6Q Arse irl

[woven otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15VC4Yxzys

[worn ember]

rip preview

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Ladies & Gentlemen.... We Got Him | ORIGINAL MEME HD - length 34s - 47,222 likes, 463 dislikes (99.0%) - 1,646,933 views - Asistonto on 2019.01.11

[azure patio]

:/

I have smaller ones

😢

[worn ember]

sucks to suck

shouldve eaten more

[azure patio]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

finally the war stopped

I'm glad

it worked perfectly

[potent warren]

@worn ember if it sucks to suck, why do you do that?

[worn ember]

cuz it pays well

[azure patio]

I'm sure DragonDildo aka dd has bigges boobs than me

[worn ember]

that'd be pretty sad for you tbh

i got me pecks though, but no boobs

8D audio is weird

[azure patio]

DD?

[worn ember]

no u

[azure patio]

nice mc memes

[worn ember]

Goodbye Moonmen

[rugged salmon]

from my point of view:

• JS - good only for UI (no other choice tho)... hard to code, not worth to program anything else using JS
• PHP - good only for websites, if you use WP it is not that bad, but WP plugins and themes are shit....
• Python - websites, data science and where you need good performance and a lot of code
• Ruby - slow, but fastest to code, so good for system engineers and automation
• Java - best in terms of system independence, performance may be good, but in practice it's hard to write optimised programs, good for multi-platform applications
• go - good for everything, best for nothing, however supports C libs
• C++/C# - good for games, best Windows support, better performance than python or Java
• C - best performance, good when you need really fast solution

[golden gust]

Okay

But like

Bees

[rugged salmon]

Those days programmer time is more expensive than servers 😄

[woven otter]

Bs

[worn ember]

how are you classing C++ and C# in the same category tho

one is high level one is low level

[woven otter]

I need cats opinion on that list

[rugged salmon]

both are better in performance than Python or Java

[worn ember]

i think its very biased lol

[rugged salmon]

and both are good for games

[limber knot]

Is there any other 1.9 versions of Paper than 1.9.4?

[rugged salmon]

it's just brief

[viral hornet]

https://twitter.com/adrian_ivl/status/1164523803898200066?s=19

Adrian Östergård (@adrian_ivl)

It's time for the first 1.15 snapshot to be released into the wild! Now with 100% more bees. Hope you will like them as much as we do. Unfortunately, we're having some issues with the blog post, but I'll tweet that once it's up.

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And no mention of performance improvements 😭

[worn ember]

Trinax: no

[limber knot]

I'm assuming clients using 1.9 can't connect to 1.9.4 servers?

[worn ember]

why would you use 1.9 in the first place

and no

either you stay at 1.8.8 cuz of the old combat system or you suck it up and move to 1.14 lol

no reason to be anything inbetween

[woven otter]

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/csharp.html

[worn ember]

yey more biased articles

[woven otter]

how are they biased?

[rugged salmon]

Yeah, Java is slower

thats what I said 😄

[golden gust]

You have to consider how they'll react in the real world

e.g. did the test allow for JIT warmup properly?

[woven otter]

it looks pretty similar to C# tbh

[worn ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n9e3UVqBH0

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) AI can do THIS!??! - Art & Animation with Artificial Intelligence - length 11m 29s - 13,095 likes, 147 dislikes (98.9%) - 105,760 views - Draw with Jazza on 2019.08.22

[woven otter]

cat I think there was some explanations somewhere how they were tested

not sure

[worn ember]

ok wtf

[woven otter]

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/program/fasta-java-5.html
okay this is disgusting

[limber knot]

What's the difference between paperclip-773.jar and paperclip.jar?

[rugged salmon]

name ;D

[limber knot]

^

Guess I had it coming.

[void void]

One does not have the version specified, one does.

Can't compare unless we know the version of the other jar.

773 versus ... X

[golden gust]

next he's going to get a philosophy major

at that point, we'll finally understand what simple is about

(He's just fucking crazy)

[void void]

I don't even understand what I'm about

[woven otter]

simple you're not simple at all

[golden gust]

He is

[woven otter]

simply crazy?

[void void]

I woke up kinda late and now I'm gonna be late for class maybe

[woven otter]

gonna be late for life as well

sucks

[void void]

That's always been true

[woven otter]

https://i.imgur.com/zAN7XA6.png
This always feels good

[worn ember]

yes yes no yes

[woven otter]

1101

oh fuck didn't notice (default: yes)

wasted some time there by typing yes

[worn ember]

noob

[woven otter]

u

[cerulean thicket]

what's a good money sink for a server that's not ez to exploit or afk farm or something like that

[worn ember]

not selling items, only allowing them to buy them?

[cerulean thicket]

but how do they obtain the money in the first place

[ashen cliff]

Bzzzzzzz.
https://posili.me/i/2019-08-22_16-14-48.png

[worn ember]

depends what your server is about

[cerulean thicket]

mostly smp but we have craftbay and bitcoin installed

[woven otter]

repairing using money, teleports that cost money

[cerulean thicket]

oh sorry, i think money sink is the opposite of what i'm looking for

a way for players to earn money

[woven otter]

oh

[worn ember]

doing basic shit

[cerulean thicket]

couldn't remember the word, sorry, just woke up

[woven otter]

selling items

doing shit

[digital talon]

jobs reborn?

[worn ember]

easy to exploit tho

[cerulean thicket]

yeah, but what kinds of items is my issue

[worn ember]

yeah jobs are nice

[cerulean thicket]

does jobs conflict with mcmmo by chance

[worn ember]

no i dont think so

[cerulean thicket]

i'll maybe look into it

[woven otter]

low effort = low income
low risk = low income

[worn ember]

being duck = no income

[golden gust]

We've had jobs and mcmmo working together before

We did however end up dropping jobs as jobs was pretty much a super fast way to kill the eco unless you go over everything in it

[cerulean thicket]

yeah that's what i'm worried about, i mean this is like a sub 15 player server so honestly my only end goal is for people to be able to sell things on craftbay

our original map just had emerald-based currency

[jaunty bolt]

we have jobs and mcmmo, Jobs has a mcmmo reduction, ex 80% reduction in payout when using treefeller and giga drill breaker etc

[cerulean thicket]

but even that's exploitable if you have a villager farm

[golden gust]

Basically

if you want a decent eco

Jobs is bad

[jaunty bolt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

All about money in, and money out, there's good ways to limit how much money goes in, we have hourly limits, there's even options to make it take the money from an eco account, that way you can control exactly how much money is added.
But need to have a lot of way to remove money with jobs to keep the economy good.
Taxes, auctions for collectibles, rankups to give people perks for money etc is good ways.

[golden gust]

Yea, that's the thing

We found that the only way to tame jobs was to make it pointless, or to start adding hourly limits

At the point you're using limits, it's broken

[worn ember]

in the end there will always be inflation

thats just how it works

you could recreate a market based on demand and offer but yeah lmao

probably out of the scope of what you're trying to achieve

[jaunty bolt]

Yeah :/ nothing is perfect

[woven otter]

yeah it's not simple

[worn ember]

hmm i love dubstep songs their buildup but their drops are shit lmao

[rancid urchin]

Wtf is 1.15 snapshot

Bees that's it?!? I'm hopping its a joke

[jaunty bolt]

wat

1.15 snapshot out?

[rancid urchin]

YEAH

[worn ember]

yeah

[rancid urchin]

it's retarded

[limber knot]

Why?

[rancid urchin]

It ads bees

That's it

Only bees

Nothing else

[woven otter]

are you sure

[worn ember]

more entities is what we need

[limber knot]

It's a snapshot

[rancid urchin]

https://www.minecraftforum.net/news/60735-minecraft-java-edition-1-15-snapshot-19w34a

[limber knot]

The first too

[rancid urchin]

Yeah but like

I guess

[winter sundial]

minecraft forum.net

[worn ember]

i'd rather just see some optimization instead

[limber knot]

They are doing that too

[rancid urchin]

It's on the Twitter for mc

[limber knot]

But different team members

[jaunty bolt]

Yay, bees

[limber knot]

Just as combat is different team members

[worn ember]

well they're not doing a great job then lol

[rancid urchin]

They are updating to OpenGL 2.0

[limber knot]

No

[rancid urchin]

Yes

[azure patio]

Why do u have 1.14.4

in name

[limber knot]

Minecraft uses way more recent versions of Opengl

[jaunty bolt]

cause he's on 1.14.4

[limber knot]

They just dropped compat for old stuff

[golden gust]

Somebody suggested sticking versions in nicks, that way it makes it easier to determine who is on what version

especially when we where supporting 3 vers 😦

[rancid urchin]

^^

[azure patio]

[worn ember]

hmmm

[rancid urchin]

It's just to make devs lives easier

For when asking for help

[azure patio]

:/

[viral hornet]

Not a bad idea

[rancid urchin]

But still I hope they add more

[digital talon]

you can dupe honey 🙂

[rancid urchin]

Would like acave update

[jaunty bolt]

Ahhw yeah

[rancid urchin]

Cave*

[azure patio]

help

my mc doesnt work

[worn ember]

aw yeah

cant even spell my name right lmfao

[azure patio]

👀

[jaunty bolt]

Hey there Draogn 🐲

[worn ember]

shush

[azure patio]

my paper mc doesnt work help

my version is 1.15aplha

[grand slate]

hey

[jaunty bolt]

[rancid urchin]

Lol

[jaunty bolt]

lol

[azure patio]

xdd

[rancid urchin]

K gonna go cry about fucking bees

🐝

[viral hornet]

Haha

[azure patio]

bee

[jaunty bolt]

tbh bees are cool

[viral hornet]

Do they inflict damage yet?

[worn ember]

@rancid urchin dont cry, BEE happy

[grand slate]

i'm afraid of bees i'm afraid i can't play

[azure patio]

.g disorder afraid of bees

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-fear-of-bees-2671755 -- What Is the Fear and Phobia of Bees?: "5 days ago ... Known as apiphobia, the irrational fear of bees is arguably one of the most common specific animal phobias. Like all phobias, the fear..."

[azure patio]

they should remove it from game

[grand slate]

uh excuse me. 'irrational'

[azure patio]

also pigs

and sheeps

[grand slate]

it's not damn irrational

those fuckers, more so wasps, are fierce & mean

[jaunty bolt]

yeah, but like. stay away from them and you'll be fine

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure patio]

1.6.4

lul

[grand slate]

easier said than done

yes 1.6.4 best ver

[azure patio]

<@&289617900971753472> when will be there paper for 1.15aplha? 🤔

[worn ember]

good way to get yourself muted

[azure patio]

it doesnt ping

[worn ember]

synthwave is my life now

[winter sundial]

i used to only listen to synthwave

[worn ember]

it gets repetitive tho

so i can only listen to so much

[winter sundial]

drumstep is pretty sick

[woven otter]

jokes on you I listen to jazz now

[worn ember]

Dance With The Dead is really nice too, its a synthwave album

drumstep is legit

i like DnB more tho

[onyx venture]

how do I setup worldborder with paperspigot so it loads world async? Does this use more CPU cores than 1?

[limber knot]

@onyx venture [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[woven otter]

^

[worn ember]

it does it automatically

[void void]

Use paper > 173 (latest), it will use async loading but not generating. Download WB, put it on, set a border, log out, run the fill to pregen the run

.optimize

[limber knot]

Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/

[void void]

do those

done

also

.mcflags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[void void]

do those

[worn ember]

also they wont necessarily use more cores

but rather more threads

[onyx venture]

well MC server is limited ot one core, isnt it? I would like to generate world on my PC with 8 cores, it should be done in less than hour if It would use all possible power

[golden gust]

Basically

In order to do that, you'd need to modify the server so that it can even do that without blowing up

[celest coyote]

Run 8 servers at once kappa

[onyx venture]

@celest coyote not bad idea actually.. each server generating different region.. but too hard to setup correctly without any program

[void void]

LOL

He was joking...

[worn ember]

just have a giant serverpool and let them all generate the same seed and run it in the same folder so they all generate, what could go wrong

now i want to try this

[void void]

😓

[onyx venture]

exactly

[void void]

No...

You know what, actually

Fine, do it

[onyx venture]

not even kidding, it might work..
separate them, do differnt regions and merge files

[void void]

GL

[worn ember]

lets see if it works

[wide chasm]

It probably won't work

[onyx venture]

okay okay I wont 😄 it was just an idea

[worn ember]

hmm i'd need a way to run on different ports 🤔

[limber knot]

Run it in Docker

[worn ember]

hmm then i need to set up docker :/

[limber knot]

No more docker

[woven otter]

run it on your nearest supercomputer

[worn ember]

actually i think i can edit the config and save it

then run the server

and keep doing that

welp that doesnt work

nani, how does this work exactly? i've booted one server on port 25565 changed the config to 25566 (saved it and its actually changed) but when booting it still boots as 25565?

[limber knot]

Just use --port?

[void void]

did you change it while its running?

[worn ember]

i had one running, changed it, booted second server

but it still boots with 25565

oh thats a thing?

nice

[robust quest]

Mojang: "1.15 will also focus on performance improvements."

Also Mojang: "We have added another flying mob"

[brazen adder]

is it possible to change all spawners with unnatural mobs inside like horses and parrots. into what they were before. and remove all spawn eggs? yes i gave my players spawn eggs. yes i regret this

[worn ember]

MiniDigger, how do i use this exactly?

[jaunty bolt]

haha, let's see how it goes 😛

[worn ember]

ah i needed it at the end of the line

[brazen adder]

i gues thats a no ;-;

[worn ember]

aye actually got it working

[azure patio]

why discord doesnt have command /ban

owo

I wanted to use the bot

[worn ember]

so the crapfest begins

[woven otter]

file lock?

[worn ember]

chunk saving on shutting down

[azure patio]

at least you dont have the little icon with CONTACTS on bar

[worn ember]

ima check if i can run multiple instances of wb tho

[woven otter]

wb?

[worn ember]

world border

[woven otter]

hmm

[azure patio]

https://tenor.com/view/nosebleed-nose-nose-bleeding-bleeding-blood-gif-5939995

[woven otter]

wat

[worn ember]

unused ram is wasted ram

[azure patio]

tfw windows already is using like 8 gb of swapfile

even with 16gb of ram

smh

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-9942259

[heady spear]

can y'all stop with your nasty gifs

someone make a moderator so I can ban the weebs

[azure patio]

you have weeb in name

[heady spear]

blame kashike

[azure patio]

you can change yourname

[heady spear]

but bae gave me nickname

I treasure it

[azure patio]

k weeb

[heady spear]

take it back

[azure patio]

no

[worn ember]

😢 its not happy

[woven otter]

i'm no expert but it looks like a file lock

[worn ember]

yeah lol

[worn ember]

i wanted to see how bad it would get if i ran 2 servers on the same world generating chunks

[azure patio]

rly

you smart

[worn ember]

guess it just doesnt work at all

[azure patio]

..

you cant async save data

write

[worn ember]

not to the same file lol

[azure patio]

wsir

[woven otter]

wa

[azure patio]

edit

[woven otter]

t

[azure patio]

fuk

I meant cant

you tryied it

...

[worn ember]

*tried

but yeah

[azure patio]

you could make queqo

[worn ember]

not gonna bother

[onyx venture]

Im back, did you get it to work?

[worn ember]

nope

chunk files are locked so only one server gets access to them

[onyx venture]

you can start multiple separate servers and merge world folders once they are all finished generating

[worn ember]

yeah but thats not efficient

[onyx venture]

I mean.. If eveything works fine someone can make CLI script to do it

[worn ember]

you'll end up generating the same chunk multiple times

[azure patio]

you can generate in different spot

[onyx venture]

one region is 32x32 cunks.
Server1: 0->32 (X), 0->32 (Y)
Serer2: 33-64 (X), 0-32 (Y)
Server 3: 0-32 (X), 33 -> 64 (Y)
Server 4: 33->64 (X), 33->64 (Y)

You will end up generating 4 regions on 4 different servers, no chunk duplicates.

^

[worn ember]

i guess that could work

[onyx venture]

Is there any way to test?
If yes, I will make script.. you tell it what size you want to generate and how many servery you want to use, this will greatly speede up generating process.. More servers, more cores you can use, faster generation

[pulsar wigeon]

i've been saying this for months lol

[woven otter]

wizchany

[azure patio]

owo

[onyx venture]

@pulsar wigeon have you worked on it?

[worn ember]

why havent you done it then

[woven otter]

oh no

you pinged wiz

you're fucked

[pulsar wigeon]

[azure patio]

^

[pulsar wigeon]

and yes, i did this like 5 years ago to help gen sk's modded server

literally modified the server jar to increase the startup spawn radius too cuz there was no WB type thing for forge then

[worn ember]

just use multiple servers linked to bungee and teleport them between servers

based on their location

[onyx venture]

so.. if I use multiple servers and put correct valus into worldborder, do fill, wait for all servers to finish and merge folders, it will work just fine?

[worn ember]

yeah

you'll have to run each one on a different port though

[onyx venture]

Is there some software to see which chunks are loaded? To check if I world is fine, if all chunks are generated

[worn ember]

dynmap i guess

not sure how you could use a script to set the right parameters for worldborder though

i think you'd need to hook into the process for that

[onyx venture]

I will make plugin to run these 2 commands which will use parameters fomr config..

For every server I generate, i put different vales into this config

[celest coyote]

Plugin

yeah thats not gunna work

[worn ember]

i could automate it fully in C# i've hooked into the process before when making my own server launcher and execute commands remotely

[celest coyote]

you will need some form of panel

a panel to launch to configure the WB and then manage the instances would be nice

[onyx venture]

oh.. the whole script will be external Java or Node.JS app.. it will create server folders, set conigs, configure ports, ...

[celest coyote]

each server should really be running independently so you don't have any race conditions or corruption

and then the files should be merged at the end

[onyx venture]

yep, thats how I plan to do it

[worn ember]

usually your home pc has more power than a server right? so what about you run the servers locally and upload the files to the server once they're generated? or do chunk files get altered after being generated?

[onyx venture]

paper will automatically generate chunks around spawn, right? this will be problem.. can I somehow disable it?

[worn ember]

thats not really an issue tho

[celest coyote]

you can disable it yeah

[onyx venture]

if I want to generate 20k x 20k, using only one core out of 8 available is pretty bad idea

[worn ember]

i think RAM will be your biggest issue here 🤔

[onyx venture]

hmm.. true

[celest coyote]

not really

the chunks don't need to stay loaded

[worn ember]

you'd have to GC more often though

[celest coyote]

so?

[worn ember]

slows things down a bit i guess

[onyx venture]

okay.. any other way to generate chunks? 😄

[celest coyote]

each should run in a separate jvm instance right?

[worn ember]

yeah

[celest coyote]

you can't really get around GC after generating a chunk

don't worry about it

[worn ember]

this seems like an interesting project actually

might give something like it a try

[onyx venture]

it is really interesting project.. it will help a lot to every server owner with over 30 players

[celest coyote]

if someone wants to start a github project, ill contribute

[worn ember]

hmm i'd do it easily in C# not so sure about java though

[onyx venture]

I dont think Im experienced enough to do it.. Im good developer but not with mc chunk generation 😄

[worn ember]

you dont need to even handle the chunk generation lol

wb does that for you

[celest coyote]

you don't need to be an expert to do this

[worn ember]

or we wait for jacob to finish his server implementation in the next 2 years lol

[celest coyote]

just wait for minecraft 2

[woven otter]

what's the project upcoming you all are talking about

[worn ember]

multiserver world rendering

[celest coyote]

multiserver pre genning

[woven otter]

well we can wait for MIMC

[celest coyote]

nah this project would be much faster

mimc is gunna take months

we could whip this up in a couple of days

[woven otter]

just pre-genning?

[worn ember]

yeah

[woven otter]

oh true

That shouldn't be too hard

[worn ember]

@celest coyote you fine with C#? I could do it in java i guess but i've never worked with any visual java stuff before

[woven otter]

why would you bother with C#?

[celest coyote]

yeah I have done C# before

for like 1 project 4 years ago

[onyx venture]

area to generate: 10x10 regions (region is 32x32 chunks, chunk is 16x16.. sooo its 5120x5120 blocks arena)
servers to use: 4
Split 10x10 into 4 boxes,
Server1: 5x5
Server2: 55 offset on X
Server3: 55 offset on Y
Server4: 5*5 offset on X and Y

This is simple.. but what if I want to use 3 servers?

[worn ember]

read what i wrote again @woven otter and you answer your own question

[celest coyote]

but I don't mind learning new stuff

[woven otter]

okay

[celest coyote]

I have worked on Jswing and shit before

[woven otter]

I see

[worn ember]

would people use it though is the question 🤔

[woven otter]

just make cli

[celest coyote]

nah

we want to make a panel

[woven otter]

smh

[worn ember]

you cant do that with CLI alone i think

you need to hook into the process to execute commands

[onyx venture]

Lets say you want to generate 10x10 regions on 3 servers, what commands do you run on each of these servers?

[azure patio]

.g math

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) http://www.math.com/ -- Math.com - World of Math Online: "Free math lessons and math homework help from basic math to algebra, geometry and beyond. Students, teachers, parents, and everyone can find..."

[worn ember]

the regular ones, just set the right offset etc

[woven otter]

tbh I thought you would modify paper itself and then run it as multiple instances or something

[worn ember]

nah

just run multiple JVM's and let them generate different chunks then combine all those chunks

all using the same seed ofc

[woven otter]

okay why multiple JVMs not processes

[worn ember]

running a different servers runs in a different jvm no?

[onyx venture]

yeah ,set right offset.. but how? 😄 10x10, 100regions.. on 3 servers.. every server 33 regions, one server 34 regions. regions has to create box so wborder can generate them all in single command

[worn ember]

idk much about it tbh

[celest coyote]

it actually doesnt

[woven otter]

well idk either tbh. I've always thought that there's only one JVM per machine

[worn ember]

well then i'm using the wrong words

and it would indeed be processes

[celest coyote]

Each Java application uses an independent JVM.

[tawdry coyote]

^

[woven otter]

okay good to know

[celest coyote]

I wonder if we can optimize GC for generation

prob do that last

[heady spear]

use cuberite, then you also get sexy code style

no dum jvm being dum

[wide chasm]

Very sexy

[heady spear]

plus u can use worldedit for cuberite

it's way better than the bad bukkit version

[worn ember]

should ram be consistent on all servers?

[celest coyote]

yes, why not

[worn ember]

no idea

[heady spear]

ded is dum

[celest coyote]

wtf is cuberite

[heady spear]

he doesn't know stuff

[worn ember]

stfu weeb

[heady spear]

superior server software

wizjany approves

[wide chasm]

Cuberite is a server implementation in C++ (and C I think)

[heady spear]

With an awesome LUA addon platform

[celest coyote]

oh so its like glowstone?

[heady spear]

very nice

[worn ember]

is it actually any good

[celest coyote]

yeah but its upto 1.12 only

[heady spear]

It is, but the code is so fucking ugly

it's disgusting.

[celest coyote]

we want it to be version independent

[heady spear]

They are working on 1.13 support

[worn ember]

few version behind lul

[woven otter]

so are you city

[heady spear]

all my plugins are up to date so idk that wasn't very funny

[celest coyote]

ehhh

not worth trying to maintain

they prob have some differences with vanilla gen

[heady spear]

so does ur mom

[azure patio]

🤔 is the code for generating known? or like you know? is there some ways to get it without decompiling?

[heady spear]

@worn ember i miss u babe when u coming over

[worn ember]

@heady spear when you give me money

[heady spear]

No, I need to save $2500 this month to get my dumb drivers license

[celest coyote]

you can't get any code without decompiling

all code is decompiled 🙂

[heady spear]

don't know why the hell it has to be so expensive I just want to drive places

[worn ember]

cuz its ez money

[heady spear]

I can do it next month tho bby

[woven otter]

no i meant you're ugly

[azure patio]

heh

It would be nice to create app in C running on multiple cores to generate minecraft worlds

[woven otter]

like code of cuberite

[heady spear]

@woven otter shut up

[woven otter]

u

[heady spear]

I'm banning u from hegemony

[woven otter]

What's that

[heady spear]

Only the best up and coming Minecraft MMORPG

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[woven otter]

see ? it's so irrelevant that I even forgot the name of the server

Join now if you want to give city 20$

[heady spear]

I don't get it

I don't get paid from the whitelisting money

[woven otter]

you still get paid something

[heady spear]

Yes, for programming 😛

but that's still not from the whitelisting money

[worn ember]

when generating, should it be from around spawn or from absolute coordinates?