China secret agents got him
#general
azure patio
void void
lol
void void
The rewrite branch now officially has 50 commits more then master
worn ember
๐ yet you dont know what a middle mouse scroll is
woven otter
yet the codebase is absolutely fabulous ๐
void void
As if I need middle mouse scroll without a mouse
void void
I'd love if you could manage to add a middle click button
worn ember
trackpads are fundamentally bad, nothing can be done about it
void void
I don't take anyone seriously on here
azure patio
void void
me symlinking literally every directory i can in linux
woven otter
sometimes you should
worn ember
@azure patio are you from the non EU country UK?
void void
UK is part of the EU, why do you think youtube is basically illegal along with social media because of the new copyright laws on memes, advertising, images in general etc.
worn ember
@azure patio but i'm the center of europe ๐ค
void void
Youtube had to geolock much of the website off in the UK
woven otter
stop edating
worn ember
stop ducking
worn ember
Belgium lol
livid kernel
void void
my laptop is going to explode, just now realized I left minecraft open
azure patio
where is that?
worn ember
the centre of europe duh
woven otter
I'll duck your mom
void void
A lot of my friends are in Belgium
worn ember
am i your friend
woven otter
where is Arisa from
azure patio
worn ember
idk probably some 3rd world country
azure patio
poor Czech Republic
void void
Belgium is only 12 minutes away by bike haha
azure patio
don't
woven otter
hey Czech Republic brought us JetBrains though
worn ember
3rd world countries are just full of uneducated weebs ๐
acoustic pilot
If you're in Czech can't you just move out somewhere West ๐
azure patio
I will move out one day
acoustic pilot
Prob plenty of Western European countries to choose from
worn ember
"we dont want you"
woven otter
but patriotism
acoustic pilot
Norway is actually expensive
worn ember
Norway is nice
acoustic pilot
Maybe aim a little lower
worn ember
lmfao
acoustic pilot
Unless you have a job lined up
void void
azure patio
what is it?
worn ember
move to a concentration camp in poland, i heard they offer great work
acoustic pilot
Norway's per capita GDP is really high, and that will reflect in the local cost of living too
dusk drift
acoustic pilot
Maybe try Sweden ๐
azure patio
maybe I could
woven otter
Live in any country tbh. At some point you will want to complain about something
azure patio
I will see
worn ember
just marry @heady spear ez citizinship
azure patio
I still have a lot of time
dusk drift
worn ember
he gay anyway
acoustic pilot
Definitely factor in cost of living when you move out, because I assume you'd be moving with some savings
So wanna go somewhere good but cheap
worn ember
is there such a place?
acoustic pilot
Going to Norway straight from Czech may be a bit of an economic shock
azure patio
that's very possible
acoustic pilot
Norway has almost 4 times the per capita GDP as Czech Republic
void void
and Czech Republic has scam ATM machines
worn ember
if you're rich in Czech u gonna be poor in Norway
vestal jasper
pin number
worn ember
or can you
azure patio
Devon?
worn ember
i dont think sleeping in the cheapest motel is much living tho
acoustic pilot
Finland and Sweden would be my options instead
azure patio
that's only in Praha
acoustic pilot
And maybe Germany
acoustic pilot
Netherlands too
void void
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acoustic pilot
Norway isn't gonna let you stay anyway unless you can prove income or a job.
worn ember
not that i know anything about that
void void
Who said that's a bad thing?
acoustic pilot
Same with any of the other places
potent marsh
azure patio
Really? I didn't know that
acoustic pilot
You can't just go to another country and live there
worn ember
they aint keen on keeping "immigrants" that cant provide for themself
void void
replace the S with a W in that join message and you just fixed discord ๐
acoustic pilot
Of course there are European countries that have free travel amongst each other
But I'm fairly sure that Czech is not part of that?
Free travel/residency
worn ember
geneva convention right
azure patio
I can travel from Czech to germany for free
acoustic pilot
In order to gain long-term residency, you'd need to prove you have a job
azure patio
if you mean this
void void
You can travel anywhere in the EU for free
worn ember
no
void void
Well not free but legally
worn ember
only the countries part of the geneva convention
azure patio
I would need to find some job in that country before I move, like find something and you know
void void
You can enter and visit any country part of the EU without a passport or visa
as long as you have proof of EU residency
woven otter
Geneva convention is about war isn't it
worn ember
yeah i think so
acoustic pilot
These rich European countries aren't going to let someone from the Czech Republic live in their country without a visa, either from a stable job or with a stable income source that can be proven.
I think Sweden has among the most lax requirements in that regard.
Just need to prove income, and don't need a work visa or anything to gain residency.
A certain income level, I mean
Alternatively there is schooling too, if you plan to go to school in one of those countries, that will open up options
azure patio
๐ค
worn ember
Byte where are you from?
azure patio
Norway is on such a big level
acoustic pilot
I guess I'm from all over the place.
worn ember
๐ค
acoustic pilot
I've lived in South Korea most of my life, a little in Japan, Guam, and now the US.
void void
worn ember
damn son
acoustic pilot
Well, also lived in the US early on too
acoustic pilot
Texas, Louisiana, and Florida before I moved to Seoul.
void void
I think my jenkins is a hotspot
azure patio
:O
acoustic pilot
Residency requirements are the same pretty much whereever you go, outside of European agreements and such
It's probably the same in Czech
Czech probably deports illegal immigrants, too.
acoustic pilot
And yes, overstaying your visa makes you an illegal immigrant.
A quick Google shows that Czech does indeed deport or try to deport people
worn ember
i mean, why wouldnt you
worn ember
no benefit in keeping them
void void
free plane ride I guess
worn ember
either be an epic win or an epic fail
azure patio
Anime god will help me, I'm sure
acoustic pilot
Czech is a EU member state right?
azure patio
yes, it is
acoustic pilot
OK, then quick revisal
You actually have the right to live and work in any EU member state
I didn't realize at first Czech was a member
worn ember
are they even on the EU board?
azure patio
lol
worn ember
never heard jack shit about that country
acoustic pilot
As long as they are EU citizens
They can live and work with minimal hassle compared to non EU citizens, in other EU member states
No work permit for EU citizens in other states
So it's not like he has to apply for a work visa or get a sponsorship
It's easier for him to just get up and go
As long as he has the money to start a new life
azure patio
I'm she but yeah,
that's good to hear
acoustic pilot
As a EU citizen he's entitled to just go to another EU member state and apply for a job.
worn ember
"it"
acoustic pilot
As if it was like America lol
void void
I still don't understand why you need to have so much s*hit to work, even if it is a bottom of the barrel fast food joint, overseas.
Like, just why
worn ember
assuming in 2019 smh
worn ember
No
acoustic pilot
Just fucking up and leave, move to a different place whenever I feel like it
Completely different cultures from one month to the next
azure patio
That's really nice benefit that's true
worn ember
seems like a lot of paper work if you ask me
void void
the paper work is the least of it @worn ember
you need to work at several jobs, with your first one sponsoring you, show financial stability for however many years and when you apply for citizenship you need all your previous employers to recommend the government to grant it
acoustic pilot
In the EU that's not the case if you're an EU citizen, though. Which is really nice
But yeah, non-EU citizens that wanna work in the EU gotta go through all that
void void
and if you slip up and get fired you may have to pay back all your paychecks to your employer since you are not obliged to keep it anymore
worn ember
im sure its not that simple @acoustic pilot
acoustic pilot
It actually appears to be
EU citizens can just go to other member states and even do the paper work afterwards.
azure patio
My brother went for work into Germany for 4 months like suddenly from day to day
worn ember
wow
acoustic pilot
Yeah, they can just go there and work without restrictions lol
That's what the EU free movement is partially about
worn ember
we are happy we can pay them minimum wage and they're happy they get such high pay
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
void void
I work in Switzerland and live in Germany, and I am on vacation in the United States right now
worn ember
yeah
worn ember
i had an ukranian guy at my work
azure patio
a lot of people from czech r. are going to work in other countires and came back rich
acoustic pilot
No doubt this affects the wages in the local job market too, where I bet Germans (just a guess) aren't able to compete with the low wage Polish workers and are getting frustrated, amirite?
I mean that seems like an obvious consequence
Again, just guessing, but given the freedom of movement of people and labor, the problem probably exists in many rich EU states.
acoustic pilot
Assuming this is a problem, you can sort of understand why UK wants to Brexit and get rid of freedom of movement and labor.
re: control over their own borders
worn ember
Yeah but in the end they'll devalue themselves
acoustic pilot
Yeah I agree there's a lot to lose than gain here, for them, but still I can sort of understand it
worn ember
They just want to make their own decisions
azure patio
jesus it's again 3:20 am
void void
I don't see UK staying part of the EU for much longer with all the riots and controversial s*hit going on there about it
acoustic pilot
Well they won't stay in the UK much longer because of a simple reason, there's still no deal
Without a deal, the default is to hard-Brexit
And they're headed towards that default.
worn ember
Yeah lmao
azure patio
makes sense
worn ember
I should sleep ;-;
acoustic pilot
In the EU, I mean
They already had the date extended, but I don't think EU will extend it again
worn ember
No they wont
azure patio
๐ค
worn ember
The UK doesn't want the current deal. And the EU doesn't want to give anything more
azure patio
UK will lost a few good things that offers EU
acoustic pilot
Most importantly access to the single market
This will be devastating in the short term
Also the elimination of free movement of labor will be a big impact too
azure patio
^
acoustic pilot
I'm fully expecting UK's GDP gains to be wiped out for the next 2-3 years.
void void
aka they are wanting to copy america
azure patio
acoustic pilot
Yeah, and they will probably succeed if they can tough out the first few years
But those first few years will be fucking tough
worn ember
They want to be part of the EU without paying for it essentially
Murica isn't doing much better though with their trade wars
void void
America was free travel until they made it require a visa to enter canada or mexico, and this president making every other country hate them and restricting American access to their countries. Yet this president expects free trade with china.
acoustic pilot
Like yeah, shoot yourself in the foot, it'll heal, but you won't be in a stronger position aftwards and you'll always walk with that limp.
worn ember
Nice analogy
azure patio
^
worn ember
Or be like rimworld and install a bionic leg
acoustic pilot
lol
azure patio
worn ember
I swear my colonists always lose their left leg somehow
hot gorge
That's a lot of butts
void void
I wish my keyboard had that ~ character, it makes rebasing a pain
azure patio
void void
I now have to type git rebase -i HEAD@{2}
limber knotBOT
your keyboard doesn't have a tilda?
void void
No it doesn't
limber knotBOT
huh
void void
but it has ยง so that's a plus
limber knotBOT
What country?
void void
Schweiz
fallen oracle
Download a better keyboard
void void
I can switch to a different layout on windows and use the tilda at any time but then nothing matches on my keyboard
hot gorge
Get gud
acoustic pilot
your keyboard has labels? smh
void void
laptop
acoustic pilot
mine ๐
void void
limber knotBOT
I should buy a pizero for a pass db
acoustic pilot
damn, funky layout, but I assume it's common in that part of the world ๐
worn ember
At least it's not azerty
limber knotBOT
Kinda want to take this keyboard and put stealth keycaps on it https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6adj5yf0/image.png
worn ember
Backdoors?
void void
that's funny
acoustic pilot
so someone committed a prank and everyone got their panties in a bunch? lol
worn ember
Oh
void void
yeah they completely freaked out
limber knotBOT
Whats baritone?
void void
when they saw the "basswords" file
also baritone is an epic a* pathfinder for minecraft
limber knotBOT
oh
worn ember
Lool
acoustic pilot
lol that makes it even better
"oh my god im ditching this over a PR that probably won't be accepted"
void void
literally cringe museum
jesus John McAfee is an actual nut job
yes i just found that out
worn ember
Haha wiz really is a nice dude
azure patio
๐
void void
I am really bad at reading sarcasm
worn ember
It's hard over text dw
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acoustic pilot
Smell of cannabis is no longer probable cause for police to search your persons in Maryland! ๐
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acoustic pilot
And in Maryland it's legal to carry up to 10 ounces, so unless you visibly have more than that, MD police cannot search you
SK is really good about nationalistic boycotts against Japan.
Like, really good.
Japan making some really poor choices here alienating the Korean market, as soon as big companies like Samsung and LG move their supply chains out of Japan, they are fucked
Meanwhile Japanese people are very indifferent to national politics.
They just don't care lol
Japan is the biggest exporter of some complex smartphone parts needed by Korean companies like Samsung and LG, but that won't always be the case if they shift away
void void
Byteflux: tries to revive chat
tumbleweed
acoustic pilot
hey I just drop stuff, it's up to everyone if they're interested ๐
This is stuff that mostly interests me tho
void void
haha I mean I would talk about it if I knew a thing or two about the topic so I wouldn't be called a f**king retard
acoustic pilot
Mostly stems from Japan being largely-unapologetic about its war crimes during the occupation of much of Asia, as well as WW2.
Japanese officials even went as far as to say Korean comfort women were legal prostitutes.
That brothels were legal under Japanese occupation so they did nothing wrong.
A stark contrast from the attitude Germany took in trying to reconcile their past atrocities.
Japanese colonialism is distorted or flat out not taught in Japanese public schools.
This all started to escalate with a South Korean Supreme Court ruling that said victims of Japan's atrocities (some of whom are still alive today) can seek reparations from Japanese businesses.
void void
I mean, the american revolution is also not taught here in Deutschland
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] i mean, the american revolution didn't have a huge direct effect on germany
acoustic pilot
Specifically, Japanese businesses that operated during the colonial days and WW2
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] but sure just strawman it
void void
I find it interesting that the history books in America have so much rewritten history
acoustic pilot
You'll find the tone of the civil war is quite different in the South, yes
As well as any pro-American stuff in general
As they say, history is written by the victors.
acoustic pilot
lol, published 5 hours ago: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/abe-sends-offering-to-shrine-for-war-dead
Fucking Yasukini shrine.
This man is just pure evil, an asshole.
acoustic pilot
Past visits by Japanese leaders to Yasukuni have outraged South Korea and China because the shrine honours 14 Japanese wartime leaders convicted as war criminals.
azure patio
acoustic pilot
FWIW, Germany doesn't give respect to blatant war criminals like Japan's current administration does lol
The exhibition in the Yasukuni Shrine is not able to exist in Germany. German criminal code inflicts heavy punishment on such beautification of war crimes, and the offenders shall be punished with imprisonment for up to three years or a fine.
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frosty yacht
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] kash is an influencer
acoustic pilot
now it's all gonna go to waste ๐ฆ
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] influencing us to use his libs
frosty yacht
does anyone know a where i can go to ask random questions about plugins and such
acoustic pilot
this place in particular is off-topic
so I mean you could ask here, and plenty of us are plugin-knowledgeable
if it's specific to plugin development, you can also ask in #paper-help
err, #paper-dev
you can use the former channel for help with plugins running on paper
or lag issues
limber knotBOT
sips gyokuro
acoustic pilot
but you can tap into our collective plugin knowledge by asking here whatever you want ๐
frosty yacht
alright sweet thanks byte
limber knotBOT
When's minecraft going with async threads?
probably after python gets rid of the interpriter lock
peak dirge
some time after they stop butchering functional programming but a very short time before the Half-Life 3 release
good luck there
limber knotBOT
lol
acoustic pilot
It'd be quicker to rewrite the game to design it from the ground-up in a multi-threaded way
IMO
But some things would be easy (still hard) without doing that, just not many things
limber knotBOT
sure, but its microsoft. If they do it will be bedrock only
peak dirge
it'd be quicker to open-source Minecraft and say "haha, we got your money, we're out of this gig"
limber knotBOT
There is some opensource forks that are decent
acoustic pilot
Also Notch: Got my $2b, fuck y'all I'm out
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] you'd be out too for $2b
I'd appreciate it if when game devs decided they want to abandon a game, they would opensource it
acoustic pilot
Indeed, I prob would be lol
limber knotBOT
[wizjany] you can hate on notch for his tweets but kinda hard to blame him for just taking the cash and leaving
acoustic pilot
I don't blame him at all for taking the money, but I do blame him for not trickling down a larger portion of that money
limber knotBOT
I mean, he said he was tired of dealing with the project
acoustic pilot
If it were me, I most certainly would have redistributed a lot of that money.
limber knotBOT
and looking at how minecraft has been falling apart as updates get added, it kinda makes sense
peak dirge
Also Notch: Misogyny and racism are good
acoustic pilot
I personally would be happy with no more than $10 million dollars, I'm a frugal person and I know how I could live a comfortable, want-free life.
If I got the same deal Notch did, I promise you I would've given tens, if not hundreds of millions to the top people who helped me get there.
Not petty 100-200k
unkempt drift
I mean we can all say that and mean it when we say it now, and I'd like to think I would do the same, but none of us (I mean if you had what are you doing here? ๐ ) have had the opportunity to have a TON of money like Notch.
acoustic pilot
I'm fundamentally against the idea of billionaires even existing at all.
I'm very close to being a socialist.
peak dirge
Having lots of money doesn't make you a good person.
unkempt drift
its like the whole, how would I act when I am faced with death? Well, you can think you would act one way, but idk how accurate that is unless you have experienced it
acoustic pilot
If I was given one billion dollars, I promise you I will redistribute most of it.
limber knotBOT
Sure, but i'd like to decide where it goes, not a government entity
unkempt drift
^^
limber knotBOT
Especially one that manages to blow away trillions to who knows where
cosmic raft
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07KG318MQ how does this look
acoustic pilot
I'll take anywhere between 10-50m for myself, give similar amounts to all of the people I love, and then to people who actually need it.
unkempt drift
cough every government cough
limber knotBOT
Well, you could end up like china, where the government cant even keep their money in china, because their higherups are sending all their assets to other countries waiting on china's ecomic crash
despite the fact it's illegal
acoustic pilot
Once you have a few million dollars, investments are already generating a livable income for you.
I don't care to live in luxury, with yachts and shit.
limber knotBOT
depends
unkempt drift
well if you invest it well.
acoustic pilot
You can pull a steady, livable wage from that investment.
unkempt drift
well what's the interest rate in the US atm?
peak dirge
Hell, even if you're on a modest income, you could retire very well given good money management and living frugally.
unkempt drift
for a plain old savings account its like what, just under 2 %?
limber knotBOT
You can get 3% if you have 100k
unkempt drift
3% ok. so 3% of 10mil is 300k a year?
acoustic pilot
I'm okay with 100k/yr
peak dirge
I'm following the Bogleheads principles
acoustic pilot
As a single person
unkempt drift
oh for sure. you are a-ok with that.
peak dirge
Sock away a good chunk of your income into a three-fund portfolio and watch it grow
Then when you retire, you draw out just a small portion of your retirement funds (3-4%) each year and live on just that.
acoustic pilot
I'm just not very greedy. I don't have financial ambitions.
I don't like climbing corporate ladders
Competing for wages
None of that shit.
I only take what I need
peak dirge
Yes, that means I'll have to become a millionaire, but I've got a bit of cash already invested in a three-fund portfolio, and it is at least beating inflation (it's certainly doing better than, say, sitting in a bank account losing value due to inflation)
acoustic pilot
Very nice
Is most of your income in the MC market? I know some people who're doing similar from their servers.
peak dirge
Right now, the balance is more in favor of the money I get for college (through a mix of VA, scholarships, and an on-campus job)
acoustic pilot
Ah
peak dirge
Minecraft makes up a very small portion of my income, but I want that to change
acoustic pilot
This market probably won't last very long, but the potential is immense.
So capitalize on it while it's there
Your skills in this market won't be valuable forever.
peak dirge
I'm working on a plan to hedge things long-term
I'm betting Minecraft will die and the next new fad will pop up
acoustic pilot
Certainly, eventually, though I don't see it in the next 5 years probably.
peak dirge
We haven't reached that point yet, but when Roblox is posting over 100 million users, you know Minecraft has some serious competition
peak dirge
I'm not into FPS games myself - anything that involves fighting much more than a dumb AI I'm terrible at.
peak dirge
Ironically, my skills lay elsewhere. I don't see a future for me in video games except in developing backend services and game servers (not actual game logic, per se)
acoustic pilot
I'm curious to see how Hytale will play out. I've been saying from the start, if they can manage 10 million active monthly players within the first few months, it'll be a success.
And that has a more monetization-friendly model.
peak dirge
You see that with my work on Velocity
worn ember
The FB page is still somewhat active
cosmic raft
worn ember
Cry me a river
peak dirge
I don't think Hytale is quite dead yet, but certainly Hypixel generated tons of buzz and it remains to be seen if they can deliver an end product.
rough island
peak dirge
Given that Minecraft is experiencing another boom, I do think they're slowing the pace on Hytale
peak dirge
The way I view it, Hytale is Hypixel's "in case of emergency, break glass" option.
acoustic pilot
Perhaps overhyped, yeah
worn ember
Or hyped way before they could provide much to show off
peak dirge
So if Mojang announced tomorrow they're winding down, Hypixel will have their Plan B and everyone else is screwed (to some extent)
acoustic pilot
I think the direction they're going with the project is great, all the things they're doing on the technical side of things, just a bit too soon probably to be showcasing something because the way they're doing it makes it seem like it's only halfway complete.
So you got people building up interest over a long period of time and then that interest just fades
worn ember
Yeah
Pretty much
You hype it and release it soon after
That's how it should be at least
peak dirge
tl;dr: lots of buzz too early, Hypixel's Minecraft server is probably demanding more energy right now, Hytale probably not yet totally dead
acoustic pilot
Blizzard isn't even hyping WoW Classic yet, and release is in 12 days
worn ember
They're completely different teams tho @peak dirge
peak dirge
Yes, but same company, and I'm sure at least some of the staff are shared between the teams.
worn ember
So there wouldn't be much benifit in slowing progress down
acoustic pilot
It's easier to shift teams than to fire and hire new people, when resources are short.
peak dirge
Hypixel only has so many resources, so they would slow Hytale if they needed it for Hypixel
acoustic pilot
So I can imagine Hypixel the parent company shifts people between teams when needed
Otherwise when resources are short, they have to fire people and hire new people in the necessary teams
peak dirge
And by the time that's over, the need might have subsided.
acoustic pilot
Yeah, hiring process takes too much time
And it's just, not very nice to fire someone just for that reason
frosty yacht
my server provider allocates memory as its needed instead of just being a fixed number. is this normal?
acoustic pilot
If you could've just moved them to a different team
peak dirge
So it makes sense that they'd take people off the Hytale team and refocus their efforts on Hypixel, as it demands more resources right now to sustain its massive player count
acoustic pilot
Yep
The Hytale consists of Java developers, since the server is Java. Perfect match for moving people around.
peak dirge
For me, that makes sense, especially since Hytale is essentially Hypixel hedging against Minecraft dying tomorrow.
acoustic pilot
Hytale team*
peak dirge
That's a smart business move.
acoustic pilot
Hytale in general was a smart business move, IMO
Like you said, their current business model is built on top of someone else's business
It could go away tomorrow.
This is where they shine, they are good at block games.
Even if Hytale as a platform won't be something widespread for the rest of us to capitalize on, Hytale will have secured their own future.
Hypixel*
merry talon
I stand by hytale failing spectacularly
acoustic pilot
It'll have enough of a following for Hypixel to fallback on.
That isn't to say it'll be big, but enough
peak dirge
We don't know if it will be a successful hedge, but I think Hypixel was smart to start working on Hytale so they have their plan B
It'll at least be successful enough so that Hypixel will eke out a business, I think.
acoustic pilot
Yep, agreed.
And this will exist concurrently with their Minecraft business for a long time, any way
So it'll have a nurturing environment to grow in.
peak dirge
And if all else fails... I'm sure Hypixel has cash reserves built up so they'll be able to weather an extended period of losses
It's what kept Nintendo alive while they were looking to find their footing in the game market when the Wii U turned out to not be such a success after the blockbuster that was the Wii
acoustic pilot
Yeah a business like Hypixel with the foresight to do a Plan B will also have a Plan C (cash reserves)
Some downsizing should let them weather an extended period of loss.
Worst case.
limber knotBOT
If hytale performs well, I would like to see it succeed
acoustic pilot
Me too, because I want to monetize it.
limber knotBOT
I jsut see minecraft's codebase ready to implode on itself unless they stop updating it for quite a while
Performance is worse even just comparing minor versions ago
void void
1.14.4 was a huge step up from 1.14.0 in performance at least but still not nearly as good as 1.13
limber knotBOT
running minecraft in a firejail, just because I mod it
Not sure if im overlyparanoid, or just moderately
Hey, was support for 1.12.2 dropped for PaperMC?
unkempt drift
support was yes, but you can still download it
acoustic pilot
Yep
placid thicket
so need recomendations for a VBS, doing a modded run and we want more control than our host can give us
austere ivy
I dunno about Hytale.
merry talon
Vultr high frequency
merry talon
currently blowing everything away
austere ivy
No offense sorry but they're trying to replicate Minecraft but more "high quality" and it doesn't work imo.
Mainly the player models.
They're like Minecraft and the new Roblox player models but mashed together.
It doesn't seem to really have it's own art style..
merry talon
this is bait
austere ivy
Maybe it's just because I haven't played the game.
merry talon
No one has
austere ivy
Well of course some people have..
Anyway, that's not important. I'm just saying one of the biggest drawbacks for me is the art style and the fact that I just don't like it.
People forget that Minecraft isn't just about how nice the codebase is, or how many features there are, or how easily it's modded.
For regular players, they don't care about that.
What they do IMMEDIATELY see, is yes, features, and performance, but a LARGE PART of what they immediately see is the art.
placid thicket
anyone? got any answers?
austere ivy
And I don't really think it has that unique charm.
One of the best things about Minecraft is (was, 1.14's textures kinda ruined it but whatever, that's a different topic) it's unique art style.
It's blocky but not low quality. It's a unique charm.
Same with things like Terraria, they have their own charm.
Again maybe it's because I haven't played it and I don't know how the actual game feels (because that's important).
I just think that they need to seriously work on fleshing out the artstyle and making it a lot more unique, because currently it looks like just a Minecraft clone.
unkempt drift
wait a MC clone? But.... there hasn't ever been one of those before
ancient bolt
austere ivy
:peepoJuice: just a rant.
unreal quarry
I'd agree with your rant, except for the fact most people install a texture pack to Minecraft lol
austere ivy
Separate rant, 1.14 textures are waaayy too inconsistent to be liked.
JAPPA didn't even touch the grass and dirt textures but wildly changed trees and wood, now everything looks like half of it has a PlasticMC texture pack and the other has old mc textures.
merry talon
some of them are good, some of them are what the fuck were you thinking
like changing the diamond and ingot textures
austere ivy
I like the diamond and ingot textures they look more like gems.
But then you put wood planks and grass together.
Yuck.
unkempt drift
I enjoy most of the textures overall. net positive in my opinion
void void
I feel like the rewrite branch is ready to merge now, I just removed the last of the absolutely 100% useless sh*t from the project and moved all the conflicting license code to seperate artifacts with their respective licenses etc.
jade burrow
void void
@static badge Excuse my ping but thank you so much for the help with /rtp, it is now so much faster and the code is much cleaner.
quasi valley
why in gods name (5000 - (-5000)) - (501 - (-501))
quasi valley
that entire thing - you sure spotted didnt troll you?
unkempt drift
oh from the commit. yeah someone pointed that out earlier
void void
I'm sure, he was genuinely trying to help. If you search for leaf's messages he explains how that math expression works.
quasi valley
when was that? leafs spams to many messages, searching through all of them wouldnt be a blast 
void void
There is a search function you know
quasi valley
yeah and again - leaf spams too many messages, searching through them wouldnt be a blast, you know
void void
I just found it in just a couple seconds
using the search box
Typically you pass the expression ((max - min) + 1) + min) but I'm tired so I'm not checking to see how it fits in
void void
Look in the screenshot
quasi valley
yeah, but did you even execute the code once?
void void
Yes look in the screenshot I sent
quasi valley
not even mentioning the godly x - -x
quasi valley
void void
and it works fine, I haven't had it hit restricted bounds at all and it hasn't gone over abs 5000, so working as intended
dawn ledge
void void
jaunty oriole
but have you tried the code once
quasi valley
let's break it down:
(5000 - (-5000)) - (501 - (-501)) = 8998, so that's that
every number < 2^31 (or something like that) will be = 0 with >> 31
void void
so I have used it a few dozen times now
quasi valley
so (501 * ((x >> 31) | 1)) + 0.5 will ALWAYS return 501.5 or its negative in these boundaries
void void
and that's the point
It needs to be greater then 500 blocks away from 0 0
so again working as intended
and (5000 - (-5000)) - (501 - (-501)) is used in random.nextInt
well
here
what are you trying to do?
quasi valley
yes. but x + (501 * ((x >> 31) | 1)) + 0.5; = x +- 501.5
void void
Random random = new Random();
int x = random.nextInt((4500 - (-4500)) - (501 - (-501))) - 4500;
this.x = x + (501 * ((x >> 31) | 1)) + 0.5;
int z = random.nextInt((4500 - (-4500)) - (501 - (-501))) - 4500;
this.z = z + (501 * ((z >> 31) | 1)) + 0.5;
This is the code I am using currently
quasi valley
which is nothing but a great troll
void void
you just want a number in [-5000,5000]?
random.nextInt(9000) - 4500
Yeah I'm pretty sure the random int generation doesn't need to look like that
((x >> 31) | 1)) shifts 501 negative if x is negative or positive if x is positive
however the next line is fine
the shifting
austere ivy
What does #spigot() do?
void void
why the shifting, why so complex
idk why im just saying it's fine
leaf did it afaik
ask leaf
generate a random number between -5000 through 5000 excluding -500 through 500
quasi valley
like once again, please for the love of god execute (501 * ((x >> 31) | 1)) + 0.5 in a short java test project
void void
I know how it works kenny
austere ivy
What does .spigot() do?
quasi valley
because 501 * +-1 + 0.5 = +-501
austere ivy
I guess, Player.spigot() do?
austere ivy
but they're all deprecated
quasi valley
and x+=501 is not random
void void
most of them have been moved into Player itself brian
it's kinda old
It is not supposed to be!
austere ivy
why's it there then o-O
void void
compatibility
for people still using it
Did I just not explain it needs to exclude -500 through 500
austere ivy
ah yes
void void
so +- 500 is right
austere ivy
compatibility
void void
if they remove it, mounds of plugins will break
austere ivy
amazing
void void
including mine
void void
a big project has to be very careful with api changes
austere ivy
Gotta have breaking API changes sometime, move on from the past..
void void
it's adding +- 501 not setting it to that
and they will
does this look like 501 x and z to you?
(random.nextInt(4500) + 500) * (random.nextBoolean() ? 1 : -1)
hes gonna argue with you guys forever
austere ivy
Maybe 1.15 will be the update that fixes everything in Minecraft itself, and then Spigot can finally have breaking API changes and remove everything they've wanted to remove and fix it all and Paper can do the same.
quasi valley
yeah I was talking relative terms
shouldnt a random teleporter teleport you randomly, not in an exact 500 blocks circle from your pos?
void void
that's not how it works, the code does not even account player location at all
Greater then 500 blocks away from 0 0 is the precondition
Within +- 5000 blocks is another precondition
The rest is testing if the spawn location is safe, if not it searches for another location
quasi valley
but again its only going in steps of 500 blocks
void void
just give them access to /tp and offload the math to them
I'm dead
im sorry for your loss
quasi valley
fine if you dont care to have non troll code, but then heres another tip; store the method reference if youre doing reflection more often, saves a bit
void void
I'm not sure how you get "steps of 500" out of greater then 500 blocks from 0 0. It is not a multiple of 500, it is a random number between -5000 and 5000 excluding -500 through 500
quasi valley
not much, but a bit
its not a multiple of 500
its just plain x += 501.5 or x-=501.5
and if that method is executed more than once, it'll just do that again
void void
The method resets x and z to new values every time, it doesn't add on to the previous values
quasi valley
oh
my
god
sorry
I cant read, for once I'm the idiot
.. tho still, x --x - y --y :D
and store the method reference
void void
quasi valley
just use the actual number
void void
why is the math written like this
its unreadable and wrong
ask leaf
he wrote it
(4500 - (-4500)) - (501 - (-501)) is wrong
very wrong
quasi valley
I guess he didnt totally troll you, but threw that gem in there
and you just took it
void void
no he's serious
quasi valley
I mean spotted to him
he gave him a general direction of code to go with, but represented through this piece of art
acoustic pilot
Man I'm totally going to be rolling a Dwarf Rogue, https://youtu.be/IN8X6PDCr4s
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) RichTurpin | The Blacklist Returns - length 3m 46s - 441 likes, 32 dislikes (93.2%) - 11,529 views - juddyy on 2019.08.15
acoustic pilot
Ganking streamers looks so fucking fun
void void
I guess it could be rewritten as random.nextInt(10_000) - 5_000
and just use the shift
it's not 10_000 tho?
run it
-5000 through 5000 would be random.nextInt(10_000) - 5_000
since at most 10_000 minus 5_000 is 5_000 which is in bounds
no im saying what the fuck is (4500 - (-4500)) - (501 - (-501)) and why did anyone write it
and at least 0 mius 5_000 is -5_000 which is in bounds
it evaluates to 7998
that would be a question for leaf, it looked realistic when he gave it to me late at night when I couldn't think straight but now it doesn't make sense at all except for the +- shift.
maybe figure out how to think
also
seems much more clear than trying to be clever with shifts
void void
i'd even go one further and define public static int randomSign() { return ThreadLocalRandom.nextBoolean() ? 1 : -1; }
you know after all this I might just keep it the way it is just so people will look upon that code and be like wtf years later
quasi valley
unrelated, but this reminds me of a guy I know who once had a beautiful class in all of his projects named A with the method a(String...) which was just a wrapper of Arrays.asList(String...)
because you gotta save those characters I guess 
acoustic pilot
lol
void void
MIN_DISTANCE used where should be x/z
wait
ignore me im the stupid one this time
sure?
this was the before code
let's be honest, even if it's weird, it's cool to use bitwise operators at least somewhere
this.x = x + MIX_DISTANCE * Math.signum(x) + 0.5;
that's a thing?
i linked it a few minutes ago
oh cool
okay thanks
that's probably the way you should do it
quasi valley
I'd still vote for the prior snipped you sent prplz
void void
actually replace it with Integer.signum
actually: this returns zero if the number is zero ๐ค
thanks
x and z are double so it doesn't matter
if x or z is zero you'll end up at zero
signum doesnt work
well the changes of it being 0 are 1/10_000
so I think we're good
...
haha
don't kill me
quasi valley
just check for the case, give the player a rare reward
void void
if anything I can abstract the Random class and make nextInt add + 1 to the returned value
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
that's possible
that'd be one heck of a reward, probably a double chest full of diamonds
quasi valley
void void
doesn't look as cool
quasi valley
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
void void
i'm weird, yes?
quasi valley
and then get a random boolean, to either reward or just kill them in the 0 case
void void
https://github.com/SkorrloreGaming/SkorrloreGaming/commit/fe250783f1d16a11b5d041e735e4e2200a92a8a5
so yeah this is what I was doing while we were arguing about how it worked haha
hahahahaha that'd be hilarious
"SPEEEEEEEEENTIE ROLL ME BACK RIGHT NOW"
we have a rollback command that rolls back to the last auto save
and people fully abuse that if a plugin cheated them
quasi valley
maybe just kill them but with keeping their inv
void void
yeah
I need to add tombstones anyway so that will be possible as part of that abstraction
eeeek
quasi valley
ooh you removed the tabs
void void
yes
quasi valley
please feed me more dirty code, I have people renovating over here and while there the only thing I could do is study on my laptop
which I obviously need something to procrastinate for
quasi valley
I already began
void void
oh
quasi valley
English is fun, but having someone rereading 200 pp slides in 1 1/2 hours of English history isn't 
at least that's an online lecture
void void
english is awful but required
void void
it's essential in the modern world
powerpoint slides? ๐คข
we use blackboard collaborate for our class sessions if they are presenting
but you are not required to attend
you just have to read weekly assigned pages in the textbook and take quizzes on it
quasi valley
this time it's "only" 100 (2 per pdf page) http://prntscr.com/otd6ls
next time 200 again <.<
void void
in freshman year we had to use adobe acrobat to edit pdf articles covering real world problems and circle or highlight certain parts
quasi valley
I use that to highlight stuff, else sumatra pdf for just reading
void void
also that doesn't look like office 365
quasi valley
nope, just the free version of acrobat reader ๐
and changed colors because I dont want to die staring at those slides all day
quasi valley
yeah looks different quite a bit http://prntscr.com/otd9rg
reader is just a very simplified version focused on... reading I suppose, but well enough for my needs
shut crater
void void
Yeah my sister has that, since she doesn't have to do a ton of editing to pdf files
wraith wharf
void void
soft ocean
how do i dedotate more ram to paper.jar
rich forum
void void
humble path
Anyone know of any good boss lobby plugins?
acoustic pilot
My cat is having this problem now, after never having it before: http://blog.vetdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/catlogic.png
He used to lick his bowl clean, something's up
quasi valley
it's a conspiracy
worn ember
Hello.
quasi valley
hey whiteeyeblob
worn ember
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acoustic pilot
As soon as I spoon his food towards the center, he's back to eating it
He has developed 1 bent whisker though, I wonder if that has something to do with it
I don't want to trim or pluck it, as that can cause a cat intense pain
Waiting for it to shed could take a while too
lol, this article seems to suggest it's fairly normal though
Given all the memes and all
quasi valley
the only contact with cats I have/had is the cat of our neighbour occasionally slipping through the fence into our garden
acoustic pilot
Oh so cats do this because their whiskers come in contact with the edges of the bowl, and this is very discomforting for them because of sensory overload.
celest coyote
maybe geta different type of serving dish
acoustic pilot
I should probably get him a bigger boal.
Yeah
bowl*
Maybe my cat's whiskers grew recently lol
celest coyote
get a bowl that is deeper in the middle
like a curve
so all the food falls to the center
acoustic pilot
That'd still have the whisker problem
Because his whiskers would have to also go into that depth
celest coyote
ah right
acoustic pilot
And would come in contact with the edges
I think just an open plate would be good
No edges
Something flatter
void void
My cat does that too
And yes it's due to the whiskers
Gotta have a flatter plane to eat off of
Otherwise they'll pick at it until it starts hitting their whiskers
acoustic pilot
Yeah mine is actually a really small bowl
The waterbowl is actually bigger, like twice the size
I think I'll start using taht for food
Maybe taht bowl is the one that was supposed to be used for food in the first place lol
(came as a set)
Come to think of it... he actually hasn't be drinking completely out of his waterbowl recently either
He only drinks from the top
peak kite
any of youz have 1.14.4 with multiverse portals?
acoustic pilot
So maybe that bowl is no good either
I have to constantly refill his water these days even though it's kinda full
Or else he won't drink it
Definitely has to be whiskers
void void
Yeah the whiskers rub up against the side of the bowl and unfortunately the whiskers are directly connected to a cat's nervous system (if you touch it, you'll actually notice his eye on the side you're touching will close)
So it's a bit of a struggle
acoustic pilot
Yeah, but feels better knowing what it is now
Can take corrective action
He's not lethargic or anything, he's a bit less playful but he's like 15 now, so very much old and grumpy. Still eats, still drinks, still jumpy. Just this one issue had me a bit concerned.
I'm guessing with older age he just doesn't want to deal with all that shit anymore lol
Probably just roughed it out previously
Oh nice, there are actually "whisker friendly" food and water bowls sold on Amazon.
peak kite
Well, i can't get mv portals to work in 1.14.4, got any world portal suggestions?
My worlds are different size, and the portal between them end up at a random spot on the bigger world.
lol use a command block? ok.. this mcserver rev is too new for all the plugs ..https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/bwpnpt/spigot_1142_multiverse_portals_netherportals/eu8vepa/?context=8&depth=9
peak kite
nope, selectors for plugins are broken too? geez.
https://hub.spigotmc.org/jira/browse/SPIGOT-4295
fallen oracle
Lol
peak kite
well now how do i make a multiworld portal. find yet another plugin?
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/VCZJ6xQ.png
interesting ๐ค
void void
peak kite
plguing plugin plugin plug it in plugi it in. (goes and sniffs a plugitin) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/commandhook.61415/
void void
What's this about? Anyone know? https://puu.sh/E5ROr/c8f237e384.png
peak kite
Minecraft Server v1.15 : the code redacted version, where ALL functionality has been offloaded to plugins. Yes, even the selectors.
fallen oracle
Have we heard anything else about .5?
quasi valley
dont think so
fallen oracle
Damn
peak kite
So yer tellin me this thing just LOOKS fancy and makes whooshing sounds, but DOES nothing(other than nether) now. SUPER! ๐
limber knotBOT
form over function
peak kite
clearly. no multiworld for you, we force nether and end only, you comply.
tardy lynx
How's performance on 1.14 now?
quasi valley
fine... unless you generate chunks ๐
void void
I just installed paper on a brand new SYS GAME-2 and it's running ok
but yeah didn't gen chunks, just loaded
tardy lynx
hmm
peak kite
yea gen chunks was less painful when i tried the async version
quasi valley
isnt that pr only async loading, not async generation?
azure patio
Is possible that some entities can lose after eg 7 days persistent data?
I don't know how it could happen
peak kite
oh, i suppose my performance difference IS technially with an already generated world. nvm... filling with mv only reveals already gen land with my specific world.. i have yet to test it with a true generator like cityworld..
But i'll take it.. n e way. It is nice seeing dual cpus not play dueling banjos all the time.
woven otter
Any ideas why it maven doesn't recognize version of a jar that was installed to local maven repo?
I used this command: mvn install:install-file -Dfile=%s -DgroupId=%s -DartifactId=%s -Dversion=%s -Dpackaging=jar -DgeneratePom=true It recognizes everything but version pretty much.
This is the directory content of that version: https://i.imgur.com/jIVYWwN.png
https://i.imgur.com/rQirHgD.png
worn ember
I know that feeling all too well simple
azure patio
I know only dog that hides in my bed when outside is thunderstorm hmm 56 KG dog next to me in bed
worn ember
Lmao. My big dog is scared if thunder too
woven otter
Arisa is typing...
void void
Pure 1.14.4 Boiz - stable tps
tardy lynx
nice
tardy lynx
20tps?
void void
survival
worn ember
69 uwu
void void
anti-grief survival
tardy lynx
CPU?
void void
18-20
azure patio
View distance? :D
tardy lynx
oof
void void
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azure patio
but it's better than the servers with vd 2 lul
tardy lynx
I can handle 40-45 players on 1.13 with 10 view distance
void void
1.13 lul
tardy lynx
i3-4370
void void
we're talking about 1.14.4 here
worn ember
I can handle 600 on Minecraft 1.8 kappa
azure patio
@woven otter is typing... owo
void void
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