#general
azure patio
acoustic pilot
But CloudFlare and Voxility are big enough that they have to consider their other clients
void void
oh yea 8chan is up
astral knot
I tried before with the default UI because mat UI wasn't compatible with an update that fixed something at the time
fallen oracle
Ahh
astral knot
I forget what the thing was, but it was important
merry talon
all publicity is good publicity regardless of the host lol
acoustic pilot
That's not true.
merry talon
cloudflare are being scaredy cats here for some reason
fallen oracle
I know the developer of the Material UI one. What was the issue?
merry talon
they already host a ton of shit
acoustic pilot
All publicity is not good publicity. That logic in fact mostly holds true for the underdog.
astral knot
I forget, but I think it was that a version of litebans was broken in some way, and that the new version fixed whatever was broken
fallen oracle
Ahh cool
merry talon
That's subjective
fallen oracle
So the material UI works fine then?
astral knot
Yes, although at the time it didn't support whatever the new version of litebans was
merry talon
I don't think thats true
acoustic pilot
"Well I'm just going to switch to a provider that doesn't service those kinds of people"
fallen oracle
Ill tell him that people are still enjoying it.
acoustic pilot
Is the exact kind of damage they intended to prevent, with their actions
fallen oracle
He said thanks.
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bronze player vs bronze player 
merry talon
I dont think people do that lol
acoustic pilot
Yes, they do
astral knot
π
I wish we had something like litebans back when the server I am thinking of existed
For some reason, we still used the essentials ban system even though we had ~1k ACP
fallen oracle
Material UI does need a few updates sooner or later. Some stuff has changed on the default and it's just annoying to port over all the custom changes.
astral knot
Instead, we used a stupidly long google form/sheet
fallen oracle
Yucky
astral knot
We have thousands of punishment records in this sheet
and I needed to import all of those to litebans
it was a pain
astral knot
True, although that is a problem for later
quick gust
just clear it and restart fail2ban so it readds its stuff
merry talon
do people still use mcbans?
astral knot
Was it ever in common usage to begin with?
void void
thought that shit died
astral knot
Training staff to manage your own community is hard enough; having to deal with the prospect of other people's staff causing problems just sounds like a headache
merry talon
thats why its dead
lol you swore at me? Global ban
people just didn't care about that
astral knot
Not to mention that the reason formatting wouldn't be up to par
I just thought of something... I also need to deal with ipv6tables
.>
azure patio
This is disturbing
"Electro Cat" in google
acoustic pilot
IMO you're overthinking the networking aspect of this all
astral knot
What even is that? Looks like one of those sonic mouse deterrent things
acoustic pilot
As someone pointed out, reset your entire iptables back to default state, restart fail2ban so it automatically re-adds its rules, and be done with it
azure patio
acoustic pilot
Just let it go~~~
astral knot
How safe is it though to do that?
Shouldn't all unneeded traffic be blocked?
acoustic pilot
It's mostly fine.
astral knot
"mostly"?
acoustic pilot
You might end up on the shit end of the stick once in a while, but you can deal with those problems as they come
For 99% of the time, this is not a concern
quick gust
he's saying that because from a technical standpoint giving 100% confidence for something like this isnt possible your wasting both your time and everyone elses pondering about the 0.000000001% chance north korea 0 days your minecraft server
acoustic pilot
Also with OVH, actual volumetric attacks will be mitigated
The only real concern would be floods maybe
astral knot
I am temporarily restarting a server that serviced a very large community
acoustic pilot
What is very large?
astral knot
300k unique player joins, 1.2k average concurrent players at peak
acoustic pilot
meh that's nothing
don't worry bout it
just set up the basic shit and move on
cool, OVH will deal with those
those are volumetric attacks
they typically won't hit your machine except for the first 30 seconds to a minute
after that OVH will take over
void void
inb4 a minute is too long!!!1
astral knot
lol
acoustic pilot
OVH's permanent mitigation should be able to stop most volumetric attacks
before they even get to you
so not even 30 seconds
fallen oracle
Wiz is about to lose his shit again
merry talon
quick gust
yikes LOL
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what's the good kind byte :>
merry zealot
i am very distressed today
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hard r? for retard?
merry zealot
calling people jeepers
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didn't know retards were a race
void void
yall are weird
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byte gettin defensive of his own I see :>
acoustic pilot
It's either black people who think it's cool because they're black, or everyone else who thinks they got a N-word pass because they got black friends or listen to rap lol
Neither is acceptable in this Discord.
merry zealot
actually every racial slur is positive because there's nothing bad about being any race or sex :^)
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damn heard it hear first - black people who think it's cool cuz they're black ain't allowed on this discord
merry zealot
i am still distressed
merry zealot
thanks for your attention
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meanwhile over at enginehub
void void
and how does that make you feel?
merry zealot
well being distressed is kinda distressing
void void
ok put on some music and get some water and relax
merry zealot
im going to sleep soon but im just pissed i can't get my clonezilla live iso to connect to the internet
merry zealot
so now i have a backup and a vps but no way to combine the two
acoustic pilot
@static badge remember that time in DM, i shit all over you, and you killed me zero times ^_^
void void
im going to tell you to use kali (as a joke)
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hey I almost got you π
merry zealot
well goodnight
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lucio is such a bitch to kill as mercy
it's either -> reeeeeeeeeeeeeee i amp or reeeeeeeeeeeeee i run
acoustic pilot
i hope they undo his speed nerf after they introduce role queue
merry zealot
im actually slowly going insane (i'm repeatedly trying the same thing expecting different results)
acoustic pilot
there is no need for lucio's speed to be nerfed with role queue
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I hope they nerf his ass again :>
acoustic pilot
chances are he'll be buffed, not nerfed π
lucio has had way too many nerfs
i've endured them all
like a boss
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yeah blizzard prefers buffing over nerfing
which really has fucked them over
we need to buff mccree
merry zealot
just buff everything else in stead of nerfing the overpowered one
acoustic pilot
i guess im just biased as a lucio main
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that's their issue
acoustic pilot
since mccree is a very strong counter
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LUL
merry zealot
i disagree with you all.
acoustic pilot
can't even move from point A to point B without a mccree 2 shotting me lol
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like orisa bastion baptiste is annoying as shit
hot gorge
This is overwatch were talking?
merry zealot
just for the sake of discussion and disagreement of course because I haven't played OW since like 2 weeks after launch
acoustic pilot
rly? i found him rather underwhelming
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you know what they're going to do to the new hero
right now he's sorta lame
they're gonna buuuuuuuuuuufffffffffffffffffffffff
merry talon
not dumb as in good
vestal jasper
got play of the game as mercy today π€
merry talon
I dont even know how good he is
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and then take 6 months to revert 
acoustic pilot
oh dumb as in bad lol
hot gorge
Having played a shit ton of TF2 I couldn't get into overwatch. Maybe I'll give it another try
acoustic pilot
yeah he isn't very threatening in my games
pulsar wigeon
yea so that's fun. apparently someone found out how to ping @everyone despite it being disabled
thanks discord
merry talon
webhook?
hot gorge
On enginecraft?
acoustic pilot
no no it's crafthub
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baptiste is one of those annoying fuckers the higher you go in ranked
acoustic pilot
i guess from a team perspective his skill to keep you alive on last hits as well as the damage boost are probably really good
only really considered from a DM perspective
ruby sky
is that possible to make Paper with Forge? π€
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dm
acoustic pilot
the only game mode that matters ^_^
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ur bronze
merry talon
says the LUCIO main
merry talon
holy shit
acoustic pilot
last time some one trashed my lucio, they got stomped on with zero kills against me
π
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ur actually bronze
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sweepy v byteflux
acoustic pilot
fwiw i've had maybe 3-4 matches in DM where i won 20 kills and 0 deaths
total
out of my hundreds of hours π
merry talon
bad person confirmed
acoustic pilot
they are hard to come by
but they do happen
all the stars have to align perfectly, pretty much no widows, mccrees, or sombras lol
~_~
marsh charm
welp, even more intel speculative cpu vulnerabilities today
acoustic pilot
Specific to Windows
Not giving me an option to update, unless I already have it, or it's part of 1903 π
marsh charm
it is not specific to windows @acoustic pilot
according to microsoft they released patches today
linux also released kernel patches today
dists are probably pushing it out now, if they haven't already
wide hazel
@void void plugin is loaded through a custom CL in a dep-injection library I created
though it looks like someone messed up a method/class name or something when reflecting
acoustic pilot
@marsh charm True, the vulnerability exists everywhere, it's just believed to be unexploitable on any OS other than Windows atm
Cool, was fixed in KB4497934, so already had the fix for a while
Microsoft rolled out the fix in June
Looks like disclosure was today
limber knotBOT
well here we go again
void void
what are we going on
limber knotBOT
re more intel cpu vulns
void void
lel
reef arch
runic night
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intel 
fallen oracle
@hot gorge Did you say you might have a solution to my monitor issue?
hot gorge
Possible pm me
fallen oracle
FR sent.
stable oriole
@ruby sky I've made it for 1.12.2, and hopefully soon 1.14.4 (Paper and Forge)
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it's gsand
limber knotBOT
Wow, how did you know it was ME. π
wary lynx
void void
gsand u foken noob
wanton summit
limber knotBOT
says the person stuck on beta
void void
STOP BULLYING ME
void void
i tried that lol
i erased the disks, and had a usb stick with mojave
it booted from usb fine
limber knotBOT
did you fully wipe the drive, the partition and all not just the volume?
void void
and then gave error -1008
i think so?
i had a MacBook HD and a MacBook HD - Data
I deleted both
or "erased"
limber knotBOT
did you remove the partitions?
void void
~.~
golden gust
ur fckn dum
void void
well
limber knotBOT
inc more excuses
void void
ok one thing tho
golden gust
You shoulda tried with shift too, should pull up an older macOS install and then you can upgrade to mojang or whatever
void void
recov mode had an option to enable booting from usb, i didn't, then deleted all the data (but not partitions)
which coincidentally erases recovery mode ??
but I don't know if error 1008 was due to the partitions or due to the fact that enable booting from usb wasn't enabled?
even though it did boot from usb?
limber knotBOT
*mojave
limber knotBOT
it deleted recovery mode?
void void
yea
limber knotBOT
wait, how old is your MacBook?
limber knotBOT
you should still have the internet based one
limber knotBOT
and that gave you an error?
void void
however not the mojave recovery mode, i had to use the "latest macos internet recovery mode"
the first one yes
second one no
(which just reinstalled catalina)
limber knotBOT
id say try it after deleting the partitions, people on reddit have rolled backs its without a doubt possible
golden gust
there are like 3 key combos
limber knotBOT
sometimes Macos's installer cries when it sees a partition
void void
well does a normal time machine backup work for restoring mac? :\ because it took for fucking ever to get this set back up how i needed it
limber knotBOT
timemachine does
void void
and im not hyped to do it again
golden gust
one uses the macOS recovery partition, other pulls the original install, the other pulls the "latest" one
limber knotBOT
he says he "deleted" the old on
void void
yea so the original install gave me -1008
limber knotBOT
*one
golden gust
You mean cmd-r?
golden gust
Yea, rip dat one
void void
nice
limber knotBOT
rip
golden gust
I linked you a page yesterday iirc that tells you the 3 sets of key combos
void void
you did
limber knotBOT
there's a full guide on GitHub on how to manually install macos
void void
again, i tried, maybe it was the partitions
like, i did what i knew how to do
even searched for these error codes like hell
but -1008??? turns up nothing
-2002
golden gust
apparently u knew not much
limber knotBOT
golden gust
and yea, apples error codes are the best
limber knotBOT
don't remember, its from when I was setting up Mojave
I got the same error and it annoyed the heck out of me
void void
limber knotBOT
hey now, that was Mojave beta don't blame me for not remembering where
limber knotBOT
also stop sending emojis, I have no idea what they are lol
golden gust
I mean, you delivered
void void
Tea, that is precisely why I send so many emojis when talking to an IRC ;)
golden gust
Why would they care to speak to you anymore?
limber knotBOT
I can enable the embeds
golden gust
I know that if I could take a quick exit, I would
limber knotBOT
I just don't like seeing the stupid emojis
golden gust
void void
<-- Tea
fallen oracle
Any of ya'll worked with expiring maps?
void void
yea
limber knotBOT
it just clutters up chat
void void
wat u need 2 no
fallen oracle
Maybe I'm looking more for a cache. I want to add something to a "cache" for about 10 minutes and then auto remove that entry
void void
check out caffeine
can expire on last access or when it was added, and also use a removal listener and do stuff like cleanup or update record when it expires
iz nice
fallen oracle
Hmm okay, yeah what I need is just super basic remove X minutes after that specific entry was added.
I'll check out caffine
golden gust
didn't guava have a cache too?
golden gust
ah, lol
fallen oracle
I don't need anything hardcore tho
fallen oracle
Is there a lib for that?
fallen oracle
Didn't know what I needed π
fallen oracle
Dope, thanks.
void void
π
caffeine for when you want a get(id) method that conditionally checks cache or pulls from db and puts in map for you, and also expires with ability to listen to expiry (say, to keep db objects in memory for a while and edit them directly, then sync back to db when they go unused for a bit)
iz cul lib
limber knotBOT
simple, take a look at the installation part of that guide I linked skip the parts you don't need should help you out if its really ruining your life
GLHF
void void
it hasn't been too bad so far but yea i will
limber knotBOT
oof
void void
fallen oracle
Now let's try to generate vk2pg banners and see how long it'll take.
Jk I forgot I don't have that setup atm
So sexy.
wide hazel
limber knotBOT
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void void
wide hazel
NSFW warning
austere ivy
I got kicked from mcforums?
void void
how'd you manage that
ancient bolt
I really hate how rogue one and force awakens isn't on netflix but all the other movies are because the netflix contract didn't include anything before it was signed
austere ivy
Purge.
@void void untuned seemed to have been a mod and Intelli was in the process of demoting them and they acted out.
Seems like a bit of drama unfolding but that's the gist. I thought I did something wrong ;c
void void
lol
fallen oracle
Hmm, can't really do too much testing of streams vs cache when you only have 1 entry to play with, eh?
Cause I currently utilize streams for handling data / getting objects I need, but I'm wondering if the cache would be faster, but I'm not sure how much data I would need to get to the point where cache would be faste.r
void void
i guess it depends where the data is coming from
void void
i mean originating, is it expensive to populate the list
fallen oracle
I load all the data in on startup, and then modify the objects in the list / add / remove as needed.
Wouldn't think so
fallen oracle
Alrighty cool, I thought someone said that wasn't "true" caching but hey if it works it works,.
fallen oracle
I guess I should just stop trying to make microoptimizations if I don't have any current issues.
void void
dont fix what's not bork
fallen oracle
True
Boutta stop adding anything new to my projects and only fix things people PR
Ez
void void
yes
if you wana do what's called a pro gamer move
make people PR fixes to their own PRs
fallen oracle
Yeah
/**
* Gets a guild by it's uuid
* @param uuid the input
* @return the output
*/
public Guild getGuild(@NotNull UUID uuid) {
return guilds.stream().filter(guild -> guild.getId().equals(uuid)).findFirst().orElse(null);
}```
Ez OwO fast speed.lame
fallen oracle
UR LAME
heady spear
Why the fuck would you loop through the entire collection to find a keyed element
This is why we canβt have nice things
void void
fallen oracle
The collection never has more than like 200 and I haven't been able to test 200 so I wouldn't know
void void
streams actually are best case 1 iteration worst case full collection
depending on where it is in the collection
so i mean, it's not amazing
but
i mean
a map would help
to be completely linear
fallen oracle
I'd need to have some data generated to test with.
void void
with 200 items (if that's accurate) honestly the performance gain will be minimal
but haters gonna hate
fallen oracle
200 is a big if
heady spear
The performance gain might not be insane but I donβt see the motivation behind not using a map at all
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glare pullin a mojang
we don't need more than 1 player doing anything on the server
heady spear
It makes very little sense and thatβs a huge code smell
Do it right from the beginning. This isnβt a micro optimization, itβs just common sense lmao
fallen oracle
I understand. I can look into changing this.
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reeeeeeeeee gotta use streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeams
void void
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fallen oracle
No pineapples needed. I'll do some exploring in a few days.
queen pollen
You guys like paper?
void void
yes, i dont know what point you're trying to make but that's just java
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1.14
void void
those are just different threads afaik
queen pollen
different servers with different threads
_two of which I need to take a look at π _
celest spire
queen pollen
mmmmmmmmm that rolling deploymenttt
fallen oracle
What's that?
quasi valley
I'm as skilled as that I know we use Grafana as well, but dont even know how go through our fancy stats 
void void
well that graph is conveniently cut off to the left to remove what the graph is actually about
server to <something>
bed tiem
inland veldt
void void
Creeper
limber knotBOT
no.
cedar spade
aw mini why you gotta ruin the fun
tall drum
jagged veldt
true lance
cursive girder
limber knotBOT
whoa what happened here? https://timings.aikar.co/?id=e1d1b1428a5a438fb2a123446f339896
Everything just went cock&balls. On a high end server.
cedar spade
how high end is "high end"?
does it end on a hill? a skyscraper? a mountain? outer space?
limber knotBOT
dual xeon 2630v4 with 64GB ram but this qemu instance has been given 10GB
-Xms6G -Xmx6G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=75 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -Dusing.aikars.flags=mcflags.emc.gs
Thought maybe I "tipped" over the MazNewSizePercent to I lowered it to 75 from 80
but there are just a few ppl online
the 4 of the 10GB is for the system and dynmap, sqlsevers etc
acoustic pilot
2630 v4 is not high end
for Minecraft, it would be considered incredibly low end.
golden gust
Looks like a mixture of a slower CPU + pillagers + 1.14
limber knotBOT
looking at top I have not even come close to topping the cores
acoustic pilot
The CPU is quite beyond slow
cedar spade
we're using an i3 from 2011 so I'm not gonna judge
acoustic pilot
i3 from 2011 might actually be better than the 2630 v4
no joke
for Minecraft
there are definitely i3s that are better, just not sure how old they are
celest coyote
I agree
limber knotBOT
watch -n1 "grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo |sort -k4rn" is looking like the cores are not even really speeding up.
acoustic pilot
A load of 1.0 means your server is stressed as far as Minecraft is concerned
acoustic pilot
Your kernel will schedule work across all your cores, but Minecraft will still only operate within a single thread, effectively this is the same as "running on one core"
limber knotBOT
yeah I know
acoustic pilot
So you should understand how that works before jumping to conclusions
Just look at the process CPU for Java, should be better instead of core load
limber knotBOT
wondering I can pin cores to the qemu instance and avoid the scheduler. Just keep them on "turbo"
threads jumping around with NUMA is not really a java thing
golden gust
The scheduler will just spread the load across whatever cores you set it can keep
limber knotBOT
why are API-spawned firebals always at a fixed velocity regardless of what you do
acoustic pilot
And the kernel is incredibly efficient at this
You intervening on its part isn't going to improve it
golden gust
Java ain't the issue
acoustic pilot
Mostly Minecraft is the issue
That's where the blame lies first, second is the hardware
Java would be pretty far down the list
cedar spade
jave
celest coyote
dave
acoustic pilot
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
cedar spade
home of witty banter
limber knotBOT
heh and I have a IBM Power9 system with 128 threads coming in soon =P
prolly not a good idea to drop a mc instance on that
acoustic pilot
I'm sure it'll make an OK web service machine lol
BungeeCord/Waterfall are good candidates for more cores, weaker CPU, but def not Spigot/Paper.
For the latter you need to focus on CPU power
limber knotBOT
CPU(s): 2 Hexa core Intel E5 Xeon E5-2630 v4s (-HT-MCP-SMP-) cache: 30720 KB. clock speeds: max: 3200 MHz.
that was from inxi ... 3.2GHz is not enough?
what I am wondering is is there could be issues with NUMA. I have pined RAM to each CPU so it would not "span" CPUs and flop around.
void void
xeon cpu-s are generally crap for minecraft
void void
i wonder how much do cpu bug patches impact the performance
a'la l1tf, spectre & meltdown mitigations
limber knotBOT
Kinda sick of Intel all together. Next time I fork out 5-6k on a system it will be IBM.
Power10 is around the corner at 7nm. Intel is a falling apart.
One reason is amt
intel is kind of single core performance tho
and I like open hardware
Its time for Mojang to get with 2019. Everything today is massive parallel computing.
acoustic pilot
Intel is still the king of single threaded performance, and probably will be for at least the next 5 years, but AMD is definitely catching up.
void void
intel sacrificing security for speed
limber knotBOT
not knowingly
limber knotBOT
also, mojang can't just look at the code for a week and flick a switch and make it multi threaded, its extremly complex
and looking at chunk stuff, they are no experts, lol
acoustic pilot
Lots of games are still vastly single threaded, the shift to multi-threadedness is still very much on-going across the board.
limber knotBOT
Intel has had close to zero innovation the last five years. Last decent architecture innovation was with the sandybridge 2600
cause nobody forced them to do anything
acoustic pilot
Turns out managing unsynchronized game state is hard!
limber knotBOT
Have you looked at the Power9s. Google and Amazon are not using them.
now^
You can get a very nice system from Talos for home usage
I just ordered one of these https://www.raptorcs.com/content/TL2WK2/intro.html
but ofc you can't install windows on it. At least not yet.
power9 only makes sense for application that highly scale
its nearly useless for mc
true
acoustic pilot
As I said earlier, sure would make a great web services machine
peak dirge
Once upon a time, Windows ran on PowerPC...
acoustic pilot
Horribly crap for MC
I would agree that it's an absurd waste of money in today's cloud hosting climate
Where you can just scale based on your needs
And pay upfront for only what you need
limber knotBOT
I do a lot of work with Neural Networks and Deep Learning so it I need the scaling
acoustic pilot
Regardless of MC, that is
limber knotBOT
but MC is something else
Have anybody/group actually tried to do a total rewrite of MC? Would that even be legal?
glowstone reimplements the server
there are countless of clients for mc
in different languages
barty like dropping java
there are also copy cat projects like minetest
and well, bedrock is a copy of minecraft too
acoustic pilot
There's nothing wrong with Java.
Just someone speaking out of their ass who thinks the problem with Minecraft is Java (it isn't)
limber knotBOT
buuuut da jvm overhead!!!
acoustic pilot
Mind you this is the same person asking us for help on Minecraft performance
Clearly he has all the answers
celest coyote
Pay no heed to the opinions of sheep who cannot code multithreaded programs
limber knotBOT
I remember learning Java as a kid and then looking up at my TV and it was 9/11. That was a long ass time ago =)
acoustic pilot
lol
celest coyote
Also just so you can code doesnt mean you can also code multithreaded programs
golden gust
Issue with threading is that threading is a complex bitch which unless applied properly can drastically hit the performance of an app, sometimes its literally not even viable, and honestly, with mc when you consider things like modding etc, it gets fun...
Part of 1.14s breakage is because mojang tried to hold themselves too much towards things like the server not being stupid
acoustic pilot
Yes, aggressive multi-threading is just going to lead to contention and more lag.
limber knotBOT
Haskell would be fun
golden gust
Issue is that the server is stupid, and plugins have to fight against that
limber knotBOT
just for shits and giggles
golden gust
And there have been several projects to respin the server, not a single implementation is at the point where you can swap out an SMP server
acoustic pilot
Depends on which version, maybe?
golden gust
part of the crashes in 1.14 have been around the assumption that certain things won't do things like loading chunks
acoustic pilot
If you wanted a really old SMP server, maybe π
celest coyote
The server makes a shitton of assumptions that do not really hold true
This causes bugs but most people dont notice
Plugins expose those bugs however and then have to get around them
limber knotBOT
Honestly though the world it not heading toward super fast single core CPUs. MC is going to die if they don't cut the shit and get with the times.
acoustic pilot
MC is not going to die
golden gust
Threading mc is complex, however
celest coyote
They are working on it slowly
acoustic pilot
90 million active monthly players
They'll change it slowly
They see the writing on the wall
celest coyote
Keep in mind mc was made over a decade ago
golden gust
Per world threading is easy, assuming you don't care about existing plugins
celest coyote
By onr person in his basement as a pet project
golden gust
To get the server to be as threaded as some people are hoping is very :S
celest coyote
He never expected it to sell one copy let alone become the best selling game
acoustic pilot
All it takes is a commitment to performance and they can have it done in 1 release
but performance fixes don't sell
golden gust
Pretty much
acoustic pilot
it wouldn't change much, IMO
golden gust
Part of the mess with 1.14 is that they where trying to clean up a pretty core area of the game and it was pushed out in such a bad state
acoustic pilot
Mojang sees the server community as a test bed
As long as realms is working fine, all is good
As far as multiplayer goes
golden gust
Mojang are basically stuck with a 10 year old codebase and have to try and keep up with a brand new codebases releases and try to maintain/bring up 10 year old code which was never really designed to be maintained/extended
The new ticketing system is as much of a hell as it is a blessing
acoustic pilot
They are well aware that the server community can take care of itself, so they only focus their resources on the things that will generate them more revenue
Which is feature releases
Not performance releases
limber knotBOT
I blame Hillary
celest coyote
Im sure the ticketting system will be great once the rest of the code base is properly adapted to use it
Ill give it 2 years
golden gust
Major hell is that mojang doesn't have any real form of "this chunk isn't loaded" strategy
In cases where they do it's often based around other assumptions
acoustic pilot
rip lol
acoustic pilot
ViaVersion is not really that hacky
It's a rather elegant way of dealing with protocol transitions
golden gust
acoustic pilot
Don't think anyone else could've done what ViaVersion did, any cleaner than how they did it
And it's pretty damn clean
golden gust
Note the code there, they check if the adjacent block is loaded, they don't care about checking if the block near that is loaded or not
limber knotBOT
At work our bosses can literally point at a project that is a Godzillion times more complex then MC and tell our team "you have 14 days to port that to --fill in blank--" This is not super unique. Why can't Mojang do that? Not enough money?
acoustic pilot
Capitalism isn't very hard to understand
Companies make decisions to increase revenue
Fixing server performance doesn't do that for Mojang lol
limber knotBOT
barty start firing ppl
golden gust
Firing people doesn't solve anything
What byte said is true
Mojang really just needs to spend a release on fixing and addressing the performance issues
Instead of tryna bring up a 10 year old codebase, add in features, fix misc issues, and all that in a single release
acoustic pilot
Or even just commit just ONE DEVELOPER to performance strictly
Have one person on payroll whose only job is to fix performance.
golden gust
They've seemingly got some interest on their end of tryna hit a few hard pressing issues
acoustic pilot
I think it would make sense to hire someone who has an eye for optimization/performance
limber knotBOT
barty - What they need to do is recognize that MC runs on servers that are newer then five years old.
acoustic pilot
A specialist
celest coyote
why would they do that
acoustic pilot
I mean I'm sure Dinnerbone, Grum and all them are great, but they probably don't specialize in performance
celest coyote
it doesn't make them any money
as long as the server runs at 20tps for realms they won't care
limber knotBOT
can always think of some BS like "the environment" and carbon footprints.
golden gust
Mojang have admitted that the release was shit and are interested in putting effort into bumping it
acoustic pilot
1.15 will be telling how sincere those words were
celest coyote
yeah we'll see about that
limber knotBOT
heh
acoustic pilot
I think that's fairly normal for a new release?
golden gust
Mojang have admitted that the release was shit
Mojang have been given a shit hand
I don't think that it's really fair that people in here seem to think that they release 1.14 as bad as it was intentionally
acoustic pilot
Given the shitty release, it's expected people will be more cautious to update, but overall seems like a lot of people did
limber knotBOT
See that's what happens when hippies are at the helm of hiring programmers. They hire retards.
golden gust
It's still not perfect, and honestly, I can kinda see whhhy they wouldn't wanna make the changes they'd need to in a point release; but credit for the fact that they put their hands up and admitted it
acoustic pilot
Yeah I'll hold my rage until 1.15
but after that, it's gonna be a slug fest
If they don't do anything
Will have lost all confidence and trust in Mojang
Rightfully so
So sure, Mojang's development team doesn't like the way this release went, but we'll see next release.
I get their hands were tied
But if next release is just as shitty, then no excuse
golden gust
Pretty much, tbh
cedar spade
I'm happy that they're trying to address limitations in the existing codebase with each update, rather than just slapping new content onto an aging game
1.14.x hasn't worked out great, but there's potential
cedar spade
I'm not going to write off Mojang unless they actually kill Java Edition
(which they could do by porting Bedrock to Linux, releasing the Mac port to everyone and giving JE owners a free copy)
It isn't really done
Data packs afaik
golden gust
So, I've been tryna sort out some stuff at uni and got sent an email for an appointment offer and sent a response back saying "yea, sure" pretty much, and haven't got a response back from them yet; Do I still attend or wut because it's like across town? o.O
cedar spade
There used to be a custom launcher for PE on Android that supported modding
void void
there's PE on linux launcher
golden gust
They said a time and I replied, but never got any message back from him saying that it's recorded on the books, so idek if the appointment has been made for me or not
cedar spade
Is there time to email and say "just to confirm, the appointment is booked for X time?"
golden gust
Yea, I sent one an hour ago or so
Still got a few hours before I'd have to setoff, but this is just π‘
cunning badge
The appointment is then approved
tulip lotus
Damn I get "Players can join a normal faction, this is a system faction", but I've typed /f bypass
earnest star
void void
Anyone knows how can i set private slots? My server is set to 20 players, and me being an OP can even join after it has reached the maximum.
I want 2-3 slots more for Admins/Mods so that they can also join when the server is full.
I have essentials
jaunty oriole
essentials.joinfullserver
void void
Would it be smart to use the recommended jvm startup parameters with 4 bungees which mostly lag due to lack of CPU usage
cause in the documentation it says it'll use more CPU performance to do the efficient memo dumps
Bungee performance just sucks so much :c
golden gust
Use waterfall
If you can pick up specific issues, I can try to find time to look into them
golden gust
same advice still applies, tbh
void void
only difference is 1.7 support
golden gust
I know, I maintain it
void void
we need 1.7 support
oh for real
lol nice
Wait then you probably know what's going on
we can't handle 600+ players with redis bungee when players are all near each other
we run 4 bungees on one dedicated game-2 OVH server
It'll spike to skyheight
and lag a ton
once they're seperated, it's reduced by about 250/350% CPU usage
golden gust
600 on a single instance?
void void
no 600 total spread by 4 bungees
golden gust
issue is that so many players near each other will just shoot out packets to no end
void void
Yeah
Our dev has a formula to calculate it
it multiplies like a nuke
is there anything to do about that
hasnt there been updates to improve those performance ?
golden gust
I don't run a server with enough of a scale to keep my eyes on how well everything performs at scale
void void
hm
Could there be any reason that bungees act differently when there's a different spigot core operating the server they're playing on?
Cause we think it does but we arent sure
golden gust
Not really
void void
You still did a great job though, many exploits fixed in watertfall and yet the performance is still as good (probably even better) than normal bungee
So in other words there isn't a solution to reduce those incoming packets ?
golden gust
nope
void void
can't it run on a different thread?
void void
what @atomic marten
limber knotBOT
Its a strategy for multithreaded applications using a thread pool
void void
oh
For waterfall?
I had some suggestions from a bungee pro
using epoll, compression to 256 etc
there are some ways to improve it
but what you're saying would be the best fix
limber knotBOT
might not be practical
golden gust
Bungee should already have a bunch of worker threads
limber knotBOT
So it wouldn't be a good fix what thread the task was on matters
I need to setup a bitlebee for messenger...
abstract aspen
Can someone link me all the stuff I should add to my start.sh
-Xms10G -Xmx10G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled
is this it?
limber knotBOT
hi
tardy oasis
void void
cosmic gorge
fucking what now
I wanted to buy a single spork
costs 2 euros on amazon
50 euros in postage
hey amazon, why don't you have a seat and let's talk about scams
the only way I'd agree to pay 50 euros in postage for a spork is if you ship it to mars
I live in a country with no amazon
easy
I pay delivery fees
portugal
it's in europe
most amazon shipping costs around 6 euros
we're talking about a good valued at 2 euros and which weighs only a few grams
this would be a scam even if you had it delivered to the mariana trench
no more than buying one book
or one knife
because I want one spork
limber knotBOT
hey tiago buy my spork ;)
cedar spade
I like how the fact that Amazon doesn't operate in Portugal isn't even being questioned here because why the fuck would you buy one spork
cosmic gorge
@cedar spade turns out they only open websites for the countries they have warehouses in
and they don't want a warehouse here
then they need to get in another line of business barty
cedar spade
Portugal
third-world country
cosmic gorge
and no I don't understand how selling your goods puts you at a loss
cedar spade
because you no longer have the goods 
cedar spade
what are you even arguing about
cosmic gorge
shipping under 100 grams of material does not cost 50 euros
it doesn't even cost a euro
you do understand that by your logic nothing in this country would cost less than 50 euros right
especially since we produce fuckall here
cedar spade
no, just sporks
vestal jasper
Wtb spork $150
cosmic gorge
tell me whatever business you end up getting into barty so I can invest in the competition
cedar spade
you've clearly forgotten about the great portugal spork crisis '97
vestal jasper
Ok but what if they order 2 sporks
cosmic gorge
I should hope you'd be able to identify that buying things from amazon is not a business
vestal jasper
Just invest in other p2w loot crate servers. That'll hurt barty. /s
cosmic gorge
not everyone eats with their hands barty
or just off the floor
why do you think I'm buying one spork
acoustic pilot
Shipping is the problem, Amazon has fulfillment centers everywhere, so if you wanted, you could pick up on the same day of your order.
cosmic gorge
can you not imagine a single reason?
acoustic pilot
Probably too much overhead to ship cheap things.
cosmic gorge
like I said not everyone eats with their hands
there's these things, they're called eating utensils
cedar spade
I chime in with a haven't you people ever heard of, using a knife and fork
cosmic gorge
they price it like that because it's a scam
vestal jasper
Ok but a single fork. No knives or anything else?
cosmic gorge
this is going to blow your mind but I only need one spork
I am also buying one bowl
guess what the spork is for
cedar spade
you can't even use a spork with drtshock/Potato therefore they are completely useless
cosmic gorge
that's right it's to spoon with your mom but also fork your dad tonight
hey I'm buying one blender right now
isn't that weird how I'm not getting the 10-pack
they're probably going to charge me $100000 for shipping
acoustic pilot
you can buy singles if you group them together but amazon probably will list them as "add-on" items so a minimum order amount would be required
cosmic gorge
imagine how many single orders of sporks I could fit in that blender
vestal jasper
Dude barty you sound mad. Did someone steal your spork or something?
cosmic gorge
his family was killed using only a single spork
he's trying to take away my right to bear sporks
vestal jasper
I'll cut your heart out with a spork?
cedar spade
why aren't you blending the sporks
cosmic gorge
because the sporks cost 50 euros to ship
looks like you value single sporks even more highly than me
feel free to get one
even get one 100 times
cedar spade
have you tried adding 2 sporks to your basket to see what the shipping price is
cosmic gorge
gunchop, use two revolvers as chopsticks
the fun part is when you put both barrels in your mouth
what a steal
fucking jesus christ barty
cedar spade
what the fuck is that
cosmic gorge
how dumb are you
cedar spade
that is not a spork
acoustic pilot
that looks more like a fork
cosmic gorge
it's a scam numbnuts
cedar spade
spnirk
acoustic pilot
that's not really what a spork is though >_>
cedar spade
that's nont what a spork is
cosmic gorge
where the scam is that that's not even what it says it is
cedar spade
*not
acoustic pilot
unless our understanding of sporks over the past 2 decades has changed
has it?
it's still a spoon edge with fork tips
cedar spade
aklhweiuwdnakxnlcmnwiuwhiwuheuhwieuhriuehfuehfleskbwfnebmndsfbsjrfrui THAT IS NOT A SPORK
cosmic gorge
really? because I am browsing them right now and I am finding plenty
fallen oracle
@acoustic pilot Daily reminder to work on libby.
cedar spade
magma: what amazon are you on
acoustic pilot
a spork is when you combine the spoon and fork into one end
a fork on one end, and a spoon on the other, isn't a spork
cosmic gorge
if you take a spoon to a fork you do not get a spork
cedar spade
OH WAIT it doesn't
cosmic gorge
much like how if you staple a woman to a man you don't get a woman with a penis
it's just not how that works
pulsar wigeon
.typing
limber knotBOT
pulsar wigeon
everyone up in arms over a fake spork
acoustic pilot
i think your idea of up in arms and ours is very different mr anger management
cosmic gorge
hey @spare venture give me your address I'm buying you this shirt https://www.amazon.de/Waiter-Server-Chef-Gift-T-Shirt/dp/B07TL6XTCW/ref=sr_1_208?keywords=spork&qid=1565186721&s=gateway&sr=8-208
6xl right?
cedar spade
β¬50 for a spork is not a ripoff end of
acoustic pilot
damn that's an expensive spork
acoustic pilot
y a spork gotta cost $10
fallen oracle
https://i.imgur.com/NnSIZGp.jpg
I love Spifes.
cosmic gorge
I am proud of you
cedar spade
your fault if you want to spend precisely β¬50 on a single spork versus just buying two
glare I stg
celest coyote
Why thr hell is this discudsion still going
cosmic gorge
you understand that the shipping is a flat base rate which only goes up with each additional item right
cedar spade
because magma
acoustic pilot
not sure how it works there but at least here shipping is affected by weight
cosmic gorge
if everyone else seems retarded maybe you're the one who's retarded @spare venture
acoustic pilot
as well.
cedar spade
you're all redarted
acoustic pilot
flat rate per item sounds really nice if it's not affected by weight o.o
cosmic gorge
it is affected by weight
cedar spade
the cheap way to deliver a wrecking ball
acoustic pilot
to barty's door
cedar spade
what sporks are you buying that are that expensive
wait who are we picking on again magma or barty
acoustic pilot
we're picking on people?
cosmic gorge
a lot of sporks are just $2-$3
cedar spade
I don't know I forgot how this works
pulsar wigeon
everyone is retarded byte
cedar spade
especially wiz
pulsar wigeon
we're equal opportunity pickers
cosmic gorge
amazon isn't scamming me, these sellers are
oh hey second hand individual sporks
meth-flavored
pulsar wigeon
yea what happens if you lose your first spork
cosmic gorge
how am I scamming myself
acoustic pilot
what flavor is meth
pulsar wigeon
you need a backup spork just in case
cosmic gorge
I pay a fraction of a set I was only going to use one of anyway
cedar spade
spork you all I'm outta here
acoustic pilot
i only use sporks that leech toxic chemicals
cedar spade
misread as import
acoustic pilot
so plastic pls
cosmic gorge
you're the kind of guy who buys buttplugs in bulk because you don't realize you only have one ass @spare venture
fallen oracle
/r/RareInsults
acoustic pilot
no he buys them in bulk because he keeps "losing" them
cosmic gorge
look, you go eat your meal using two sporks, record it and then upload it on youtube
celest coyote
I only use sporks made out of pure sodium metal
cosmic gorge
then we'll let the commenters decide how many sporks you need for your meals
celest coyote
They give food a good ompf
cosmic gorge
cedar spade
You go eat your meal using one spork, record it and then upload it on youtube, then we'll let the commenters decide how many knives and forks you need for your meals
cosmic gorge
that way when I shank barty with it I can sell it on cs:go for hundreds of dollars afterwards
cedar spade
*sporks
cosmic gorge
I mean I wouldn't be mad if that were the case
see
you're the odd one out barty
you and your single spork having ass
I bet you're actually a secret single sporker
and you're just overcompensating to try to fit in and lie to yourself
robust quest
Oh hey, Phantom Block Fix merged.
acoustic pilot
what's portugal? is that like a place where they don't have school shootings?
void void
cedar spade
no but seriously do you know what a knife and fork are
cosmic gorge
no that's just the rest of the world byteflux
yes
see now I'm very suspicious
I bet you have exactly one spork in your favorite kitchen drawer
clearly a lie
cedar spade
you're a spork
cosmic gorge
you feel that tightness as we start circling the truth
that's your anus puckering up against the single spork you're hiding oh so well from everyone but yourself
cedar spade
spork you too
cosmic gorge
I'm going to bed tonight, comfortable in my own skin and with a lovely spork-to-be on the way via express mail
that's more than what you can say about yourself barty
cosmic gorge
no, found a seller that isn't running a literal scam
cedar spade
you're a literal scam
robust quest
Everyone knows retardation cannot be fixed while sleep deprived.
fiery wharf
cedar spade
Yes
hot gorge
How on earth do you get Dynmap to stop spewing progress on renders in the in game chat?
digital talon
/dynmap quiet
hot gorge
Well damn. Thanks
hearty plank
rare nest
shell vine
limber knotBOT
one hour later and I am wondering why Magma orders from amazon.de all the way down to portugal
heady spear
his beard is sucking all the smart out of his head so he doesn't know better
why would u need more than 1 spork tho
that's a perfectly good reason to complain
yes
no
but like
sporks are different
you don't need more than one
it's not like you gather your family to enjoy some sporking
yes
hot gorge
I have so many questions