Paysafecard?
#general
austere ivy
void void
Only premium stores get a socket connection to craftingstore
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.g paysafecard
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(DiscordBot) https://www.paysafecard.com/ -- What is paysafecard? - paysafecard.com: "paysafecard is a simple and safe prepaid payment method that allows you to make payments online without the use of a bank account or credit card..."
void void
so ??? free means slow as fuck
acoustic pilot
An incredibly common purchase method for gaming in Europe
void void
craftingstore only supports mc
to fill up their feature list, they mention domains twice
austere ivy
This is actually a good conversation because for my server I wanted to set up donations. I was deciding on whether to use CraftingStore vs Tebex/BuyCraft and I haven't reached a conclusion yet.
polar cloud
You initiated the argument by acting passive aggressive m8
and I'm not
Conversation is literally over
void void
no actually you initiated you the argument by joining and asking here you retard
polar cloud
tehbrian told me what I needed to know
austere ivy
Barty?
void void
and now you're stopping it because you're losing
polar cloud
now you've come back and want more beef for no reason, chill lol
austere ivy
One reason.
void void
let yourself out
acoustic pilot
well if you guys are both tired of the conversation, suggest everyone just moves on lol
polar cloud
@void void gj on having 2nd grade reading comprehension
austere ivy
I mean I have literally no money.
void void
nice
gleaming rivet
buycraft is free xd
austere ivy
There's no income coming from the server. I have a sponsor I'm not even paying for the server itself.
I can't afford to buy Tebex to receive.. no donations.
It's free?
How good's the base tier?
void void
perfectly fine.
acoustic pilot
Not that impressive, but adequate to keep a simple server up
gleaming rivet
no?
limber knotBOT
I have a question about graphic libs like OpenGL, for which I don't find an answer by a quick research. Do those libraries actually support some kind of movement or velocity for objects, or do you have to update the positions always manually?
gleaming rivet
250 british pound
acoustic pilot
The main pain points for the free plan I think are lack of theming I think
limber knotBOT
I mean how does this work in mc between ticks for example? Things do also move between ticks depending on fps. Is this the task of the programmer or do these libs support setting a velocity or something?
gleaming rivet
exactly
limber knotBOT
So you have to do this by yourself ..
acoustic pilot
OpenGL is super low level
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linearly *
acoustic pilot
You want something higher level like LWJGL or LibGDX
void void
brian is 12 confirmed
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brian is actually 12
austere ivy
I can neither confirm nor deny that statement.
gleaming rivet
well either way you have to be 18 to use paypal?
austere ivy
I don't have paypal :peepoJuice:
gleaming rivet
even if you were 16 you would be stopped
you kinda need that for buycraft i think
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pretty sure we told brian to get off paypal
austere ivy
They've been going after people who signed up when they were 16 AND THEN are now over 20.
void void
dont tell paypal i had an account at 12 and still have it 10 years later
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or was that micle
austere ivy
I never had paypal.
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micle then
acoustic pilot
You should be able to use PayPal at 16 with a legal guardian's consent
limber knotBOT
Bโytโefโluโx yes then LWJGL.
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I mix up you 12 year olds
acoustic pilot
And PayPal's user ToS is none of Buycraft's business
gleaming rivet
i'm under 18 and i have it though xd
austere ivy
PayPal is a scummy company, change my mind.
acoustic pilot
Not really hard to argue that.
All companies that operate in the financial services sector are pretty scummy.
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people have gotten rolled later for using an account under 18
void void
or perhaps, just perhaps, they are trying to be compliant with income reporting requirements ๐ค
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so if u made one watch ur ass
mortal zinc
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paper is pretty scummy tbh
austere ivy
PayPal is doing scummy things though.
void void
true i applied for a loan once and got this really happy lady call me, she was so fucking happy it was sickening
in this happy voice she to ld me i was declined
it was great
austere ivy
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polar cloud
That's how customer service works everywhere tho
austere ivy
polar cloud
it's their job to sound happy 24/7
austere ivy
r/paypal is just a subreddit for hating paypal.
void void
when i worked customer service i sounded dead
austere ivy
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you always sound braindead
austere ivy
hmmmm
void void
and i had top efficiency score because i didnt waste time buttering their buns
acoustic pilot
r/<insert_financial_institution> is a subreddit for hating on said institution, what's new?
void void
i said what the fuck is your problem, ok, ok, fixed
void void
call it Retard's Bank or RB for short.
gleaming rivet
every bank/money service is basically scam, so why discuss it?
quick gust
does hypixel actually proxy its entire network through cloudflare?
acoustic pilot
Hypixel uses Spectrum which is an enterprise-level service offered by CF
Not something just anyone can get
worn ember
If I ddos play.domain.com will it go through cloudflare? Assuming it's a mc server or something
fallen oracle
With spectrum, yes.
acoustic pilot
Yes, if they're using Spectrum
worn ember
Ok. So regular cloudflare is just http then
quick gust
yeah i knew it was an enterprise thing but got damn i didnt believe it till i seen it
fallen oracle
Yes
worn ember
Ok nice
quick gust
you think they just use ovh on the backend
fallen oracle
CloudFlare is awesome for the cache tho
quick gust
cache is irrelevant for mc servers tho
fallen oracle
Correct
Maybe CloudFlare is the answer to all our chunk problems
Just cache the chunks CloudFlare
worn ember
Lol cache the chunks
acoustic pilot
A concept similar to that has existed or maybe still exists in Paper
Called chunk map caching
Was added back in 1.8
worn ember
My cache hit is 2% on an default page.
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chunk map caching?
worn ember
Just put it in the cloud
acoustic pilot
It caches the chunkmap data per chunk, so that it's not always reconstructed when it needs to be sent to a player.
acoustic pilot
The cached data would be invalidated if any changes were made to the chunk
worn ember
Who doesn't want 500gig of chunk data
fallen oracle
JUST CDN THE CHUNKS CLOUDFLARE
Honestly why do things like item frames need to tick
cedar crypt
austere ivy
What do you guys recommend for a server host?
quick gust
isnt ovh the go to
austere ivy
Me and my other 4 friends (only 3-4 are on at a time, but let's just say max is 5) have a server but I've been hosting it on my computer and it's frying. It's a 2012 macbook.
SO.
We have a slightly special need:
The server folder size is 30gb.
They like exploring the world a lot so I need space to grow, too.
So I'm thinking like a 40-60GB ssd.
50 would be the sweet spot.
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50 
austere ivy
I'm currently running it with 3GB of RAM and it's running somewhat smoothly.
Here's my timings.
Here's the system it's running on (at the same time as Minecraft and Discord)
So yes, at LEAST like 40GB SSD, and 3GB of ram I think is fine, and really any CPU as the one I have isn't great and it's doing just fine.
DigitalOcean? PebbleHost? OVS? What do you guys recommend?
also it's 1.12.2 if that helps any
we aren't going to need a NASA computer for something like 1.13.2+
quick gust
Register with gcloud and use their free credit on a shitty vm i think itll accomodate your needs
austere ivy
Okay, I'll take a peek at that.
peak kite
dynmap will take all your 50 gigs and make you cry.
austere ivy
What else do you recommend that's paid so that it doesn't "Expire" and we have no way of paying for it because we didn't think of that?
quick gust
I'd just suggest backing up the folder when it's time to migrate and moving it over, besides that soyoustart is probably your best bet
unreal quarry
get a Game-64-OC from OVH
austere ivy
Oh my gosh I'm dum, the world size is 3.58 GB with a nether of 56 MB.
unreal quarry
its super cheap at only $120/mo
quick gust
Def get the gcloud lol itll last you a year
austere ivy
Huh, the max memory is 2gb, I remembered wrong.
ALRIGHT so I think GCLOUD might work.
Then I think I'll hop over to Pebblehost.
they have a 6 dollar a quarter plan
quick gust
They're just reselling ovh / soyoustart btw but I think for your low resource needs its a good choice
edgy ledge
tough goblet
welcome
robust quest
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lol
blazing python
shell vine
anyone know how to add adsense to xenporta home page
void void
just modify the html and add in the adsense script?
austere ivy
Goodness gracious.
Reading Google's Java Style Guide.
Throwing some serious flame here.
me: accidentally messes up something
my mother:
BROKEN and they must be FIXED
(not actually, love my mother, best mother <3)
void void
where did you pull that from
shell vine
idek where to do that
austere ivy
Sorry wrong link.
sturdy fulcrum
Sup ladies
void void
and excuse me, what? there are programs that actually make their shit less readable to support unicode? or somethinh?
what?
am confused?
void void
unless 1 lining
austere ivy
I'm trying to follow Google Java Style Guide.
So that's about to get real ugly if I do that.
void void
well if you're gonna strictly follow it, then you have to use braces
sturdy fulcrum
I love google codestyle
austere ivy
Maybe I'll just fork Google Java Style Guide.
Brian Java Style Guide
You can use no braces if you're 1 lining.
Boom fix.
sturdy fulcrum
You gotta use 2 spaces instead of 4 tho
austere ivy
it's not that hard
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Everything about Google's java styleguide is great.
The only problem I have is with that one thing.
Also 2 spaces instead of 4? Yuck.
fallen oracle
^^ 4
pulsar wigeon
you can also do if (conditionA || condition B ....) return;
then you only need one set of braces to follow the style
fallen oracle
I too enjoy having 20 checks in 1 if statement
austere ivy
And for something like 6 big long checks, is it really worth it to have it in one large if statement?
pulsar wigeon
if (brian == dum
|| glare == cool
|| kashike == :kazheek: ) {
return;
}```It's also much much worse to go have a big long list of if statements.
Your code is broken.
void void
that's because you didnt define the variables first, duh
void void
boolean brian = true;
boolean dum = brian;
boolean glare = true;
boolean cool = glare;
if (brian == dum) {}
boolean dum = true;
boolean brian = !dum
Also those are reversed ._.
It makes more sense if glare is COOL, instead of cool is.. glare.
void void
who are you to question god's naming conventions
austere ivy
boolean dum = true;
boolean brian = !dum;
boolean cool = true;
boolean glare = cool;
You're telling me god wrote that?
void void
yes
austere ivy
Doesn't look like code by them.. since.. TRUE chads write code like this:
void void
not your god, you worship the wrong one
fallen oracle
It's fairly simple.
austere ivy
boolean brian = dum = false;
boolean glare = cool = true;
;)
that doesn't even compile does it?
java doesn't support tht
that
you could do..
boolean brian, dum = false;
boolean glare, cool = true;
in java its
boolean brian, dum, glare, cool;
brian = dum = false;
glare = cool = true;
ah
fallen oracle
Ooo ASAP Rocky is coming home.
crimson turret
fallen oracle
I guess Trump complained enough.
void void
.coms are up to $15 now? wtf
hard kernel
is 2.5 mbps upload too slow to host a server ?
void void
its pretty slow
hard kernel
for 30 people
void void
yes
hard kernel
upload is the one that matters right?
void void
a lot of things matter
hard kernel
It's a 250x250 fiber link the server is on a ups that is also backed up by a generator.
void void
weirdo
fallen oracle
You talk mad shit for a guy that works with the Tumblr API and gives up.
You lookin to rumble?
fallen oracle
So that's dumb.
void void
yes
fallen oracle
Ash just made it to the violet city gym.
I can't wait till you finish your new project.
We can all stream Pokemon together.
carmine hinge
fallen oracle
There's a shitpost
On google
For the first result
The whole thing is a literal shitpost
peak kite
after cockroaches inherit the earth, humans legacy will be a bunch of corrupt data interspersed with shitposts.
lapis sequoia
Anyone here know where I can get a server logo made? budget of $50
pliant sapphire
merry talon
fiverr
muted niche
^ I had my logo made by someone there. The app is fantastic ๐
uneven prawn
vestal jasper
same
shy verge
limber knotBOT
Is there a way to use a .bat file when restarting instead of start.sh
?
(on Windows)
lunar zenith
marsh charm
is 128 block perimeter from player not valid anymore in 1.14 for witch farms?
I can't seem to figure out why this up high afk spot still makes a farm that sucks
do you need to be the only person online in the server?
fallen oracle
Woot. Spigot got a dark theme coming in.
merry talon
For how large reddit is, its astounding that their app just straight up doesn't work a lot of the time
Infinite loading
sturdy bison
edgy dawn
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edgy dawn
Six Mill views
long fossil
quasi valley
no longer do my eyes have to burn when visiting the spigot forums, yay!
peak kite
mine still do, does everyplugin on the site have a crypto virus, i think i found another.
gleaming rivet
what has changed?
quasi valley
dark theme
gleaming rivet
oh
quasi valley
I mean it wont stop uprising devs posting their 2kb heal plugin, but maybe the scams will decrease in amount
gleaming rivet
xD
peak kite
yeup, i snagged another... another bitcoin crypto virus https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/pingtest.69965/
tranquil bone
Oh wow there are viruses on spigot?
peak kite
yes
it will upload and download your max bandwidth of your server connection
they make pages look exactly like other legit pages
this is the legit plugin
you can see how the fake crypto version is 1.0 but has the same content, they just copied from the legit one to the fake one
The release info is a pretty clear give away, and the author has no other plugin
First Release:
Yesterday at 11:25 AM
Last Update:
Yesterday at 11:25 AM
Seriously, is it that hard to scan the jars for socket and "crypto"
Makes me think someone is in on it over at spigotmc.
void void
is that a password i see 
https://puu.sh/E0I3W/e41904990f.png
peak kite
the devs took taht shot of the old jar file from two days ago
the fly.jar that was taken down
im guessing the pingtest.jar has the same or similar content
void void
honestly, i used to know who the resource content mods were but i dont anymore
but yea, they miss a lot lol
peak kite
i guess im getting good at attracting all these FLIES in a jar....
just call me fly sticky paper.
gleaming rivet
why would you download such a simple plugin in the first place?
peak kite
a ping plugin?
gleaming rivet
if you are smart enough to detect the code to be infected, can't you make your own?
peak kite
im not smart, im un/lucky. enigma , cooked entropy. the n in the variable?
i didn't even mean to download that one.
peak kite
but thats the second one on two days.
what, time to sort by upload date, and grinD?
i mean i can do that.. who's payin? lol
void void
I truly have no idea
half a gig can do a thousand or more
so
yup
Well this is entirely a guess but assuming 512mb will do a modest 950 (probably could do more with tweaks), and 62GB available to server (2 for OS) minus 1000 or so for cpu bottleneck, ~117000 players
white sluice
void void
thats why i said it's a guess :>
green edge
void void
512mb ~= 950, 63488(62GB)/512 = 124 * 950 - 1000 ~= 117,000
thats how i came to it
pure guess
peak kite
interesting. i think the virus acts different by os.
limber knotBOT
Tfw your CEO calls you cause shit is on fire at work
Now am sitting in jogging pants at work ๐
worn ember
no it normally shows errors
but it was cuz if orgot to specify the type for the script
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
gray rose
Finally, I managed to join to a Paper 1.12.2 server with older versions!
worn ember
MiniDigger, what did they break
limber knotBOT
A few nodes of our gluster cluster decided to revolt
And the cluster split, but it didn't fully replicate the data
void void
gluster cluster is fun to say
limber knotBOT
So half of the data was in one cluster, the other half in the other
worn ember
๐ค
limber knotBOT
Preventing my apps from coming back up since it didn't find shit and ran into timeouts
worn ember
what was the reason?
limber knotBOT
And yes, I love saying gluster cluster ๐
What do I know, do I look like a system admin to you? ๐
worn ember
๐ค more than most here
limber knotBOT
I am just the dude that wrote all the applications serving our Websites, so If the websites are down am the idiot getting called
limber knotBOT
State doesn't pay nearly as good ๐
And am getting payed extra if I work on the weekend
Especially if unplanned
worn ember
how much an hour?
limber knotBOT
No clue, never came in unplanned on the weekend
limber knotBOT
Saturday planned (for a release) is 1.5 my regular
I don't even know what I get per hour ๐
worn ember
wtf
limber knotBOT
About 22 euro if I calculated it properly
worn ember
damn thats double mine
limber knotBOT
That's ~50k per year with boni and shit
void void
yea i made around 23 euro per hour but i was salaried, here salaried means your benefits cancel out overtime
aka no overtime
if you work overtime its same rate as regular
which is big gae
limber knotBOT
That's dum
gleaming rivet
Could i borrow one of you guys in dm?
limber knotBOT
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gleaming rivet
ehm for some reason paper doesn't like me giving it 10gb
but 5gb is fine xd
like it slows everything down xD
am i missing something or am i just retarded
peak kite
swapping?
void void
how much ram is on your machine
gleaming rivet
32gb
void void
anything else running on your machine
void void
so how much ram is effectively available
void void
ok, read very carefully
given all the programs running on the machine where the minecraft server is running
how much ram is effectively available
gleaming rivet
so when the minecraft server is running, how much is left? or what ? (my language is not english natively, sorry)
void void
ok forget that, i'll just assume 10gb for the mc server is not using more ram than the machine has left
.mcflags
try those
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void void
what java version are you on
void void
and by slow what do you mean, what precisely happens
gleaming rivet
When the server is restarting and starts it sit at "using epoll channel" for 40 seconds
before loading plugins which also takes alot of time
void void
are you running latest paper
gleaming rivet
i was, then i tried the 154 i had before i upgraded the ram
no change
still slow
java also uses alot more cpu when running 10gb instead of 5gb
void void
well this isn't really very typical, aikar's flags take longer to boot because they are allocating all the ram to the jvm instead of just marking it as usable, so that is to be expected. as for a typical slowdown, I would say it's due to the much larger heap size. however a long boot time indicates a different problem
perhaps the vm is a contributing factor
can you reproduce outside of the vm
gleaming rivet
i'm not able to as my pc does not have 10gb.
void void
okay. what.
gleaming rivet
oh you mean a new vm?
void void
first you say 48gb, then 32gb, now your machine doesn't have 10gb
void void
What I'm saying is can you reproduce it on the server outside of the VM...
gleaming rivet
uhm
void void
You have a 48gb server with a 32gb vm running on it, yes?
gleaming rivet
yes
void void
ok, so instead of running a vm, run the mc server on the 48gb server
and see if it does the same thing.
void void
ok would have been good to know beforehand.
gleaming rivet
i tried to tell you.
sorry about that.
the Nas is a VM on its own
just to clearify things
void void
the jvm instance should have access to all your NICs, just specify the NIC in the ip field in server.properties?
And @gleaming rivet sorry but I do not know, you may have better results going to #paper-help and posting there and waiting for others. They probably won't reply immediately though
gleaming rivet
okay :/ thank you for trying.
void void
@willow basin kinda confused, you talking about paper using a different IP or a standalone JVM application
in any case no I don't think there is such a flag, the code can just bind to whatever NIC it wants to
the ip field should work? Unless I'm misunderstanding
acoustic pilot
Probably need to set a SocketImplFactory with Socket.setSocketImplFactory() which constructs the client socket using the desired address
To ensure the outgoing traffic goes through the particular interface
So unless you explicitly bind the client socket to the desired address, it will simply go through the machine's routing tables, seems like.
worn ember
would make sense
void void
im trying to make a paper server it works and i port forwarded it but none one seems to be able to connect to it
void void
https://canyouseeme.org/ put 25565 and check. if it says can't see you then you didn't port forward correctly.
no assumptions please
worn ember
well ur assuming he didnt port forward correctly ๐
worn ember
no assumptions please
void void
fuck you and your logic
celest coyote
If you want a different ip than what your isp provided you will most lilely need to use a proxy service or vpn
void void
an ip from ipchicken
worn ember
did you try that tool simple posted?
celest coyote
I was referinf to @gleaming rivet not chris
worn ember
oh ok sorry
void void
you did not port forward; either at all or correctly
also just shared your home ip to this chatroom
trust you people dont miss issue it
worn ember
pretty sure you need to forward both tcp and udp? or is it just tcp?
idk the protocol that well
void void
is that your proper local IP
in the port forward settings
and also try rebooting the router, it may not have properly applied the new port forward settings.
can u allow me to dm with me?
you*
worn ember
this is what mine looks like
void void
no, sorry.
void void
would you mind trying to connect?
peak kite
worn ember
how are you connecting to it?
void void
running the server there works
worn ember
from what i noticed you cant join your own server using your external ip
void void
use the status tool linked by papermcpluginfected. see if it can get anything from the server.
worn ember
but it works from any other machine
void void
if it didnt apply the pf settings, it will apply them on a fresh boot
(if it didn't, it's retarded firmware, but that's another topic)
celest coyote
If you port forward on some routers it wont take effect till reboot
Depends on the router
Good ones dont need reboot
celest coyote
Yeah dont enable remote config unless you want to get hacked from china
worn ember
im not rarted ๐
celest coyote
@void void if you are having trouble with remote config you should post images of your router config pages
Dont worry we csnt hack you without knowing your password
Or ip for thst matter
sand vale
try this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5236491/how-to-make-the-jvm-use-a-given-source-ip-by-default
worn ember
so you think
celest coyote
Or without remote config being anabled
peak kite
im rarted, i use rar's all the time.
sand vale
"let's just randomly stop updating the scroll"
worn ember
unironically playing scrolls
sand vale
I don't even see andrewkm's question now.
peak kite
its a trolling scroll.
sand vale
we allowed to ping ppl here, or will the mods get pissy?
void void
general rule is dont ping colors
sand vale
@willow basin try this? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5236491/how-to-make-the-jvm-use-a-given-source-ip-by-default
void void
except me because im not a real color
sand vale
you sayin you're just basic?
void void
yes
void void
yes
ok just finished tropic thunder again
if you havent seen it, you have to
its not an option, you have to
and on that note
night
peak kite
lololol
worn ember
why did i get muted? ๐ค
sand vale
Why not?
worn ember
at red apparently mutes you lol
void void
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potent warren
@worn ember wat
acoustic pilot
Les Grossman one of the greatest characters ever made lol
worn ember
every time i type it i cant type anymore xD
sand vale
maybe
gleaming rivet
to who ever tried to help me, i fixed it by reinstalling the vm xD
there was something really wrong
limber knotBOT
Just use vscode
Then everybody can use god mode
Why do you run your server in a VM?
limber knotBOT
Ye
limber knotBOT
VMs just mean throwing away resources
gleaming rivet
well true, but its the only way
limber knotBOT
If you want isolation docker or lxc are the way to go
hot gorge
Depends on the hardware. If you have true passthrough your VM won't suffer any.
limber knotBOT
There is always overhead to true virtualization
gleaming rivet
resources aren't really a problem
limber knotBOT
Your can't pass thru your cpu natively like you could with a gpu
hot gorge
With a modern system I think the performance impact would be pretty negligible
Especially for something like a Minecraft server
1/2 floating point whatever the hell you're doing, sure you'll see a difference
fluid schooner
abstract aspen
@vernal moth ESXi the overhead is very minimal ๐
native frigate
golden gust
depends on your load, tbh
abstract aspen
Well I needed a NAS and a Web server he needed a minecraft server
was the easiest/most convenient way I could do it
And we almost always have resources leftover
golden gust
tbh, these days I just stick to using LXC
abstract aspen
LXC?
golden gust
Has its PITA moments, however
worn ember
@golden gust share the load ๐
golden gust
linux containers
golden gust
ESXi is full virtualization
worn ember
only time i run vm's is when testing shady software or when running linux lol
golden gust
lxc is more akin to docker in terms of what it does
worn ember
linux is shady software confirmed
abstract aspen
@worn ember So it's only for shady software 
Damn you did my joke before I was done typing it out
lol
worn ember
๐ฆ
golden gust
It's one of those cases where it depends on your need, lxc + docker can work for ex, but it was a ballache to get it working properly
worn ember
i like this name
abstract aspen
Yeah ESXi was literally drop it on a usb boot the server and it's ready
then you dump your iso
golden gust
pretty sure that a few of my issues wouldn't be issues if I updated the host OS, however :/
worn ember
whats the host OS?
golden gust
ubuntu 16.04 iirc
worn ember
gross
limber knotBOT
what's wrong with ubuntu as a host
worn ember
it likes to shit on itself
golden gust
Honestly never had any issues with ubuntu which weren't caused by shitty hardware or PEBKAC
worn ember
are you calling my hardware shit 
limber knotBOT
you know a bug has utterly destroyed me when I resort to fixing its consequences with this https://paste.md-5.net/rafepakejo.cs
fuck everything about this bug btw
limber knotBOT
weird? no
awesome? yes
(^-^) Bustin - length 4m 7s - 181,392 likes, 1,553 dislikes (99.2%) - 9,164,795 views - Neil Cicierega on 2015.03.31
golden gust
Such a classic
limber knotBOT
bustin' bustin' bustin' bustin' bustin' bustin' bustin' bustin' bustin' bustin'
neil cicirega is a musical genius
gleaming rivet
1.14 without lag? what is this OwO
dusk drift
what plugin shows them stats like that
gleaming rivet
Spark.
gleaming rivet
by Luck.
gleaming rivet
... what?
dusk drift
what is it
gleaming rivet
its literally /tps
dusk drift
ah, ty
limber knotBOT
does anyone know of a simple plugin that would let me do real-time tps monitoring?
maybe through the action bar
limber knotBOT
ew
gleaming rivet
it has the feature you asked for.
gleaming rivet
^^
limber knotBOT
imagine paying for a plugin I can make in under 5 minutes
gleaming rivet
make it yourself then ๐ฎ
limber knotBOT
I might
coarse marten
The Latest Paper 1.14 allow all 1.14 version at connect to this server ?
gleaming rivet
LaggAssist doesn't only do that, but its the only plugin i know that does that.
limber knotBOT
well fine then I'll make one myself
gleaming rivet
enjoy ๐
worn ember
make me
coarse marten
Ok thank you
tropic flame
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Cock Gun - length 3m 39s - 524 likes, 21 dislikes (96.1%) - 27,329 views - Jack Packard on 2012.04.24
tropic flame
TimingsLag /s
peak kite
why not, some of them. they should just name it laggbugvirusbitcoinhackingexploit.jar
it would do us a favor.
lean fractal
cedar spade
TruAntiLag
coral scaffold
peak kite
how about a line of plugins that just make things worse. guaranteedlag.jar memoryfiller.jar cpuwaster.jar networksaturater.jar drivefiller.jar and don't forget hellonminecraft.jar (this one has all the features in one) ๐
actually, that might not be a bad idea. then servers can run predictable loads and stress on their servers and see what happens?
golden gust
I've debated on having a plugin shit list, but that would likely be frowned upon
tropic flame
peak kite
I suppose citizens2 with highwayman might do some damage. Add some friendly npcs, start wars...?
i like those plugins, fun to mess with different traits and playing with the ai.
prisma light
signal dagger
tranquil bone
Did anyone have an outage from ovh?
void void
so i restarted the router
left yacht
@tranquil bone yeah
they had a blip
we lost all of our servers for 30 minutes.
We could still keep most people connected though
void void
i dont know to do now
void void
my ipchicken ip?
peak kite
your ip or your domainname if you have one
void void
i dont have a domian
domian
i would love to have a dedicated server but i cant atm due to the prices
peak kite
ok, then ip
void void
the site didnt detect it
peak kite
ok, so your port 25565 isn't getting out
tranquil bone
Good to know @left yacht, I noticed that many servers were down as well which are probably all on OVH
void void
correct @peak kite
peak kite
You can check all your ports here: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
click proceeed and in the box put port
25565 then click use specified custom port probe
or scan all service ports.
void void
the port is red
peak kite
if port 25565 is closed, then your pc is refusing it put router is open
that is good
red.
it means its open
what os?
void void
windows 10
peak kite
ok, your firewall is blocking java
void void
made my firewall not block it
peak kite
and you did give the server a dedicated ip?
void void
the ipv4 is put in the server config file
peak kite
no in your router.
void void
yea
peak kite
well you can try and put it into the dmz
void void
i need to use my local ip for the router?
peak kite
and see it that works
void void
dmz?
peak kite
its a special zone that basically forwards all ports to a single computer.
most routers have the option.
but i still think its a firewall not the router
does windows 10 let you turn the firewall totally off
for testing?
void void
peak kite
if a program needs public access, DEFINETLY give it private... i would think..
also, wonder what details shows about java.
void void
im running java 8
void void
its off
golden gust
Several things,
ISP (Do they allow servers or not? (Some ISPs break servers by using CG nat because ipv4 shortage and gotta save those numbers))
Router - firewall? port forwarding?
Your computer - server configured properly? Firewall? Antivirus software?
worn ember
@void void dont fill in the ip in the config
left yacht
@golden gust it's actually against their TOS to run servers most of the time
worn ember
just leave it blank
left yacht
rarely enforced though. Port 80, 443, 8080, and many other ports are blocked.
left yacht
any consumer ISP will block a ton of ports ot prevent server hosting
They want to upsell you to a business line
void void
@worn ember what u mean?
left yacht
two things, competition or they actually care for their consumers.
Because here they'll just disable your internet connection entirely
if they catch you hosting a server
Comcast if it helps
golden gust
over here they don't tend to care, tbh
worn ember
man they cant even catch me watching torrented movies
golden gust
But, my current ISP uses a CGNAT, sooooo
worn ember
let alone stop me from running servers
left yacht
some faggot was hosting a file sharing server here and pushed well over 100TB.
So they got really serious
worn ember
well yeah
they dont care if you stay under your limit
you can do whatever the fuck you want with that
just dont pass the limit
void void
what did u mean with what u tagged me on? @worn ember
golden gust
annnnnnd I broke finder
golden gust
Maybe I should install that pending update... :/
worn ember
maybe server.properties
queen rapids
are you on catalina
queen rapids
what are some 32 bit apps u use
golden gust
The fact that some stuff, e.g. git, didn't work properly was just a major kick in the teeth
Some games
celest coyote
most games are RIP
worn ember
i still have 16bit games ๐ค
queen rapids
ah
celest coyote
I hope someone will makes an emulation layer or something for steam
worn ember
they dont run on 64x tho ;n;
golden gust
Some games seem fine, tbh
worn ember
only 32
golden gust
Major issue I've had was git, tbh
Like, I couldn't even rebuild patches for waterfall
worn ember
i mean, who fucking develops for 32x in 2019
golden gust
I mean, it's really mostly legacy software and stupid decisions
celest coyote
i wonder how many devices are gunna fail due to 32 bit drivers
left yacht
you'd be surprised how much software still is 32bit
heady spear
Guyyyyyys why won't my player NPCs mount the armorstands? :(( They just stand on top of them. I've even tried setting their vehicle once per tick, but they just... float on top? :((( Y this???
wooden blade
Anyone familiar with Forge? Trying to help someone troubleshoot a scoreboard that isnโt displaying text when they have it enabled
celest coyote
steam is 64 bit now
golden gust
steam can be updated
queen rapids
lol wtf titanic, i have all those apps on catalina and they work fine
celest coyote
i thnik discord is 64 bit too
left yacht
I use windows
golden gust
Like, I got stream working but some stuff was still kinda broken
left yacht
so I doubt they can be bothered
golden gust
Oh, windows
queen rapids
ah
celest coyote
firefox is 64 bit too
golden gust
the 32 bit kill is honestly a bitch
celest coyote
you installed the wrong version
golden gust
But, at the same point, I kinda don't blame them
celest coyote
idk about spotify
golden gust
Fuuucking annoying, but we can't keep stringing 32 bit along
celest coyote
people like @left yacht are the reason why 32 bit needs to be gutted
golden gust
apple are also probably going to screw us again in a few years if they do their arm switch
celest coyote
lazy ass users and devs
golden gust
that will be interesting :L
static badge
arm switch eh
left yacht
are you guys ready for emulation
static badge
x86 is king
left yacht
and everything to be super slow
celest coyote
please no
left yacht
I am so ready
static badge
arm is no no :>
celest coyote
never ARM
^^^
apple will only switch if ARM is both much faster and much more popular than x86
both of those are not true so its not happening atleast for another decade
left yacht
we've been hearing rumors of ARM macbooks for years now
not saying it's coming
just sayings it's like
constantly in the "coming" stage
celest coyote
ill bet apple has an ARM version of macOS fully working
golden gust
Tbh, the kill of x86 and the fact that their making changes to iOS and macOS to help bridge the gap
celest coyote
thats where those rumours keep coming from
golden gust
Kinda screams to me that we might have a while to go, but they are gearing up for it
left yacht
arm windows laptops are also very very weird
they last forever, but like they are so weird to use
golden gust
Tbf, that's windows
celest coyote
I take that as them wanting to run macOS apps on ipad than ARM macs
golden gust
if apple was to jump over to arm, it would be a loooot better of an experience than windows attempts
celest coyote
for sure
golden gust
Especially given that with apples ecosystem they basically have devs by the balls
quick gust
looks like im 10 minutes late but psa that comcast / xfinity filters snmp for all residential customers globally for no clear reason and its why i cant directly monitor an snmp interface from my connection and its a fucking joke
celest coyote
okay... I don't think you NEED SNMP to host a server
golden gust
I wanna say that comcast are on the list of ISPs which I've seen not supporting servers, or at least their routers being so trash it seems impossible
celest coyote
you can prob get around it
left yacht
my comcast router takes 1 minutes everytime you need to load a webpage on the GUI
left yacht
comcast just does port blocking
that's all
if their routers actually checked anything else they'd be slow as fuck
quick gust
not talking bout server hosting just in general you cannot communicate over port 161 or w.e it is on a comcast connection at all
like im paying you for internet connectivity
just not through port 161 i guess
celest coyote
try a reverse proxy or just try to find an open port somewhere
quick gust
yeah i mean youd have to somehow proxy ur connection is the point
you shouldnt need to
celest coyote
yeah you shouldn't
left yacht
shitty ISPs trying to upsell you to a business line
which is the same quality as their consumer lines
quick gust
hey so question after my minigame plugin is fully done and i launch a server with it can i have people in this discord check it out or is that against the rules? (my first ever real project in java so id love feedback)
gusty idol
Writing JUnit tests for a Bukkit/Spigot/Paper plugin/library is hell
golden gust
There is a reason most don't bother, tbh
golden gust
pretty much
pulsar wigeon
lots of code tends to depend on mojang/spigot behaviors tho which is hard to test
golden gust
I keep meaning to dig into unit testing properly a bit, but overall it's pretty ^^
static badge
relying on mojang behaviour
golden gust
You start having to mock stuff pretty fast and then you start going down a rabbit hole
pulsar wigeon
have you seen mctester?
pulsar wigeon
just runs a client that interacts with stuff
and then expects the server to behave
golden gust
Yea, Aikar was doing something akin to that
static badge
now aikar is dead rip
gusty idol
You start having to mock stuff pretty fast and then you start going down a rabbit hole
This is me right now
celest coyote
hes still alive maybe he will come back from the wild
wooden blade
A wild Aikar has appeared!
fallen oracle
What's up gamers
austere ivy
Is 64bit slower than 32bit because it has more data to transport or is it the same speed and just more bandwidth?
Also is there any advantage for ARM over x86
limber knotBOT
This would be a TehBrian question
The architecture is literally designed to deal with 64 bit ops
static badge
32bit will have more potential than 64 bit
for obv reasons but if you want to compare available 64bit processors vs 32
then 64 wins
austere ivy
And then x64 vs ARM?
static badge
thx to x86
limber knotBOT
entirely different goals
arm is designed to be power efficent
x86 is for general compute
static badge
risc processors dum
limber knotBOT
ur dum
static badge
ur dum
austere ivy
okay so why does apple want to use arm
celest coyote
because they make the best ARM CPUs
limber knotBOT
Power
celest coyote
they can't make x86 CPUs
limber knotBOT
and x86 is kinda getting to the point where people are questioning if moores law is dead
(Or well, have been for years)
austere ivy
Would ARM have better performance over x86/x64 or just less power consumption with worse performance?
fallen oracle
How many PRs have you merged today?
static badge
0
limber knotBOT
today? 0
austere ivy
57
limber knotBOT
I'm updating my computer as finder crashed
fallen oracle
What's that
austere ivy
-50+7
limber knotBOT
macOSes version of explorer
celest coyote
its the file manager for macOS
limber knotBOT
Basically, I needed a reboot to fix it because it's stupid
fallen oracle
Ahh
static badge
macos in general is stupid
limber knotBOT
and there was an update that's been sitting there for weeks which I figured might as well
fallen oracle
Whelp that just means PRs later, lit.
celest coyote
rip
fallen oracle
Has anyone checked out the new black spigot theme?
worn ember
no more pr's