general

[heavy rapids]

wait

they're still using names?

[golden gust]

yup

[heavy rapids]

recites exorcism

[left yacht]

yeah they don't use UUIDs

and their whole MySQL support is broken

flatfile breaks itself

24/7

[heavy rapids]

tbf I have a ymlfile towny plugin

[golden gust]

It's one of those plugins which /really/ needs somebody to write a proper replacement for

[heavy rapids]

less features, but confirmed to work

guess I'll publish it some time

[left yacht]

uh, we had to write a plugin

which renames the regular names

[golden gust]

They have a plugin which basically tries to rename stuff

Buuuuut that ends up creating its own set of stupid bugs

[left yacht]

it's actually REALLY laggy

we made our own, which stores the name change history of every single player

their UUID

and a few other things

because why not

[heavy rapids]

There's no good alternative to towny right now, is there?

[golden gust]

Yea, we just used to tell people to not change their nicks or to just get somebody shove you in the town

Not that I've seen

[heavy rapids]

mh

[golden gust]

I think that there was one or two premium plugins that looked kiiinda slightly interesting, but :S

[left yacht]

we are the largest towny server out there and it's totally cancer.

[heavy rapids]

I might actually publish mine

[left yacht]

We've tried replacing the plugin

[jaunty bolt]

Towny dev uses name for MySQL relations, ex resident has a column called town that doesn't point to an id in another table but the actual name of the town,
whenever you rename the town, the code makes a new town, adds all residents and plots etc to it and removes the old town,
If it was ID based, they could just update the name on the town and all residents would point to it...
But the reason was that, with names, fixing safe mode was easier... but the only reason they get safe mode is because they use names...

What server?

[left yacht]

it's so broken

MineSuperior.

[golden gust]

Well, shit

[jaunty bolt]

oof

[left yacht]

we hold over 400 players across all our 3 towny servers

[golden gust]

The plugin I saw was taken into songodas ranks...

[heavy rapids]

oof

[jaunty bolt]

You guys using a bot to hog the .org ad spot? xD

[heavy rapids]

I guess I'll actually publish my plugin. I need to remove some proprietary APIs which I used when creating it initially

but other than that

[left yacht]

I already take u ptoo much time in this chat

and we bid manually

[jaunty bolt]

ah, alright

[heavy rapids]

Oh also I need to rename it to a less offensive name

[left yacht]

btw towny server owners love seeing this shit

05.07 14:07:25 [Server] INFO =============================================================
05.07 14:07:25 [Server] INFO [Towny] Version: 0.92.0.12 - Mod Enabled
05.07 14:07:25 [Server] INFO =============================================================

[jaunty bolt]

1 MineSuperior $5229
2 BreakingMC $5228
But you're like always a dollar above 😮

yeah, no errors is rare

[left yacht]

if I were an alcholic I'd take a shot of vodka rn

for everytime it boots up properly

[limber knot]

hmmm seems like ppl on my server are "magically" finding diamonds. Does the anti x-ray work in 1.14.3?

[golden gust]

Errors are getting rarer on my server

[limber knot]

runkasomfan: no

[golden gust]

Genearlly with the whole "getting rid of others plugins"

[left yacht]

and uh soap

we own breakingmc

[jaunty bolt]

oof

haha

[limber knot]

phoenix616, well that explains a lot. Any plugins something that can be done about this?

just ban them?

or you know, don't run test builds

[left yacht]

worst part about towny is how long it takes to bootup

[limber knot]

runs

[left yacht]

it uses up 7GB of memory.

just on idle

[golden gust]

xray should be back soon

[left yacht]

because it caches every file in memory

and then saves the entire cache on stop

[jaunty bolt]

Azertu is hogging the topg.org sponsored spot, costs $1800 for 2 weeks, they've had it for a year now... that's $43,200‬ like wtf

[golden gust]

But, basically, 1.14 pretty much killed every real solution for anti-xray

[left yacht]

05.07 14:09:44 [Server] Startup Done (227.952s)! For help, type "help" or "?"

[golden gust]

Can somebody take Technerder back?

[heavy rapids]

[20:09]electroniccat:xray should be back soon

finally, I hate not seeing what I mine to. /s

[limber knot]

oh, so it would be a good time to finally finish my XrayDetection plugin now that actually finds xrayers? xD

[jaunty bolt]

05.07 03:06:34 [Server] Startup Done (324.101s)! For help, type "help"
Does that mean I win? xD

[heavy rapids]

324s

[golden gust]

How did you even?

[heavy rapids]

324 ffs

[golden gust]

Wait, actually

[limber knot]

electronicboy, nice. My server looks like Swiss-cheese with all the "oh look what I found... a diamond"

[heavy rapids]

highest I've seen is 7 (1.12.2) D:

[golden gust]

You're not running towny are you?

[jaunty bolt]

I am

[golden gust]

inb4

General gist is run over your logs and see how long stuff is taking

[left yacht]

towny takes up

around 2 minutes on it's own

jobs another minute

[golden gust]

I've had maaany issues with plugins handling data loading in such stupid manners

[left yacht]

and epicspawners

takes around 5 minutes

sometimes

[golden gust]

lol

[left yacht]

did you know epicspawners

loads it once

while the plugin enables

[jaunty bolt]

Writing a plugin atm to limit mobs per players and increase jobs payout to compensate for less mobs, inb4 it takes more performance xD

[left yacht]

and THEN

it does it again after the first player joins

[jaunty bolt]

wat?

[left yacht]

for no reason at all

[limber knot]

just load a couple thousand images on the main thread like mine does. halts it for a good couple of minutes xD

[golden gust]

what I /reaaaaally/ love is the plugins which load skulls on startup

[limber knot]

(although that one is only an issue on our testserver ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[golden gust]

If you're lucky they'll have enough smarts to not block the server loading up for that

[jaunty bolt]

haha

[golden gust]

Geeenerally they don't care about "hey, lets not flood mojangs servers with requests"

[left yacht]

oh

our skyblofck server

requests 200k skulls

occasionally

[golden gust]

which ends up with servers crashing as soon as somebody steps into a chunk with a skull 😄

[left yacht]

on startup

[jaunty bolt]

I wish I had more time 😦 Trying to update a server from 1.11 to 1.14, but all their plugins are in Skript.... taking forever to recode them

[left yacht]

fortunately mojang blocking us just results in steve heads

which is ok

[jaunty bolt]

Startup was like 10+ min consistently...

steve heads are nice

[limber knot]

200k heads?

wtf are you even doing

[left yacht]

we have 2.4 million uniques in the hubs

[jaunty bolt]

oof

[left yacht]

of course one server is going to have at lesat 200k uniques

[limber knot]

but why request them all at once

[left yacht]

because plugins are dumb

[jaunty bolt]

btw, the autobid on .org is really scummy, keeps you in top 5, thought it'd keep us in top 1 xD Saved up to bid and ended up paying 3k for #4 spot 😛

[limber knot]

maybe if you have 2.4 million uniques you should look into making plugins that don't eat shit

[left yacht]

we hardly hire developers

so we're constantly overloaded

[limber knot]

sounds like a lovely place

[left yacht]

it's actually not that bad tbh

[limber knot]

which network is it

[left yacht]

I'm not even going to bother responding to that

[stiff yarrow]

if you wanna burn some money hit me up

[jaunty bolt]

We don't hire devs either, prefer writing plugins myself, but it's taking up too much time. wrote Java at work for 9 hours, got home and wrote it for another 4 and went to bed, rinse and repeat

[limber knot]

well sure, duckduckgo already answered it for me

[heavy rapids]

nossr, sure, whose money tho

[limber knot]

alright so let's not do dev work for that network

[golden gust]

Kinda wanna shove an offering post on spigot

Kiiiinda not sure I like the concept of dealing with the magmaguys of the world

[limber knot]

lol

[jaunty bolt]

electroniccat, help me turn skripts into java code 😛 what's your rates? xD

[limber knot]

^-^: I mean if they pay properly then why not? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[left yacht]

I do it mainly for security reasons.

[golden gust]

I don't really have set rates currently \o/

[limber knot]

because sometimes having to work with the underlying infrastructure is a fun surprise for the unaware dev

[left yacht]

as we take what like 6-9 months to verify someone.

[static badge]

69

[limber knot]

noice

[left yacht]

maybe I'm paranoid, too many networks

having tons of IPs dropped

out

we have over 2.4 million username and IP sets, yeah not getting that leaked.

[stiff yarrow]

what do you mean verify someone

[left yacht]

I'll get sued, already did over something on my store.

[limber knot]

you have to send at least 3 nude selfies nossr

[jaunty bolt]

Don't have to give a dev access to ips though?

[limber knot]

it's a thorough inspection

[left yacht]

background checks, and a bunch of projects

[jaunty bolt]

lol

[left yacht]

you're paid for it all

so it isn't just trying to get internships

but generally speaking we keep developers isolated from the inner circle

of management

for months

[limber knot]

if you're getting my nude selfies you bet your sweet ass you'll pay premium for it

[left yacht]

and we slowly phase them in

[limber knot]

^-^: I mean if it's more difficult to work with then you will get more money because it takes longer ;)

[left yacht]

consider it more like probation, players get attached.

[limber knot]

what did you get sued over and by whom?

I already get enough money elsewhere, don't want to deal with a multi-month hiring process

[left yacht]

given that 100% of our management and development have been with us for 4+ years we're doing ok.

[limber knot]

patreon bux are more fun anyway

[stiff yarrow]

are you looking for devs for anything right now

[golden gust]

Kinda been meaning to create a patreon

[limber knot]

hey nossr I'll hire you for $5 to make a better mcmmo plugin

[stiff yarrow]

I'll sub to you catboy

[golden gust]

I think I started with it and kinda got stuck at the whole "upload an image" thing 😄

[left yacht]

nossr50, if we ever do a mass hiring we'll setup a process for that.

but not really currently.

[stiff yarrow]

go look at my low effort image catboy

mass hiring

[left yacht]

we generally hire a bunch of people at once or not at all

[limber knot]

that's when they only hire bodybuilders

[left yacht]

no-one would want to work with us anyway

our internal issue tracking is terrible and we're working on resolving that

[limber knot]

lol

see how my first instinct was right

[golden gust]

glances at nossr

[left yacht]

^-^ given how you act

I wouldn't even want you anyway

[stiff yarrow]

[left yacht]

we prefer long term relationships

not someone who just wants to pad their resume

or just disappear in 3 months

when we need them

[limber knot]

you may imagine that I don't act like this when I'm actually working

this is the opposite of work though

much like electroniccat is the opposite of nice

s/nice/mice

Correction, <^-^> much like electroniccat is the opposite of mice

[left yacht]

I don't really want to talk in here about job offers though, more like stupid shit I find while working.

[limber knot]

runs

[golden gust]

Hey, I'm nice!

[left yacht]

like towny shitting itself.

[stiff yarrow]

I personally got no issue with long term anything if it pays well enough to be worth it

[golden gust]

You shut your moth!

*mouth

[limber knot]

oh you know what I found out about towny that is fun

they don't cancel the spawn event, they let it spawn and then remove the entity

isn't that fun?

[left yacht]

towny also saves town blocks immediately

[austere ivy]

Hello

[left yacht]

but then saves the actual towns themselves

later

[limber knot]

towny also seemingly keeps keeping chunks alive

[austere ivy]

[left yacht]

yeah it happens.

I think we solved that

[limber knot]

what a fun romp fixing towny-related issue is

[austere ivy]

Wait what??

[limber knot]

was it made by Notch?

[left yacht]

if it wasn't for our addicted players to towny

I would of dumped our towny servers already

[golden gust]

Rewriting towny is basically on my todo list

[austere ivy]

Don’t cancel spawn event but REMOVE THE ENTITY??

That’d mess up statistics on mob spawns wouldn’t it?!

[limber knot]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[golden gust]

But, not to that depth, there is a lot of stuff in there I don't care about

[limber knot]

millions of entities constantly spawning

[austere ivy]

🤦

[limber knot]

then getting removed

[left yacht]

https://www.titanicfreak.com/imgs/ee1d3b6213aa757b02edb7dc78b9c21d.png

[limber knot]

that's how my plugin was suddenly leaking like shit

[left yacht]

our largest towny server currently.

[austere ivy]

Ryan how did you make a successful server?

[stiff yarrow]

I hope you forked it and fixed that nonsense

[limber knot]

it didn't expect hundreds of thousands of spawns with no chunk unloads ever

[left yacht]

we removed the EULA stuff in towny

that's the major change

[limber knot]

that's some tasty tps my dude

[austere ivy]

Did you sell your soul?

[left yacht]

I mean the TPS isn't that bad

[limber knot]

it's red

[austere ivy]

I think he sold his soul poor Ryan

[limber knot]

red is bad

ask the communists

[left yacht]

electronic can you tell me why item frames are entities

https://www.titanicfreak.com/imgs/a458ec431ed6396aa9e9634c85841c99.png

because like

that's a lot of item frames

[golden gust]

#BlameMojang

I don't know why they didn't use TEs

[static badge]

mojang part 1500

[golden gust]

Unless that's for the arrow stuff

Don't arrows pop frames or something?

[left yacht]

yes

[limber knot]

yep

[pulsar wigeon]

arrows can pop normal blocks too tho

[austere ivy]

Tile Entities aren’t much better are they?

[pulsar wigeon]

that's not a good reason

[limber knot]

nah blame Notch, he added paintings which item frames are based on

[stiff yarrow]

[golden gust]

Wasn't poping normal blocks new?

[pulsar wigeon]

paintings kinda make sense

they are more than a block large

[austere ivy]

[pulsar wigeon]

item frames aren't

[static badge]

you can pop tnt with an arrow on fire

[pulsar wigeon]

you can pop chorus fruit with arrows too

[limber knot]

also yeah, can't damage blocks with arrows (unless they are special like tnt and the fire enchantment which is new and not an old behaviour)

[pulsar wigeon]

we were going over this yesterday

[austere ivy]

what about the weasel?

Pop goes the weasel?

[pulsar wigeon]

arrows and fire on tnt is old af behavior wtf?

[limber knot]

pop goes the TPS

[austere ivy]

Reminds me of a joke

[left yacht]

welp

all of our towny servers

crashed again

love this plugin

[limber knot]

yeah makes sense

[left yacht]

nah

it's towny new day

[limber knot]

@pulsar wigeon afaik that was added when the enchantment was added?

[grand pewter]

@austere ivy did someone say pop

[left yacht]

it deadlocks the whole JVM

[grand pewter]

jk

[austere ivy]

A weasel goes into a club and the bartender says “what’ll it be?”

[limber knot]

hey are you also running slimefun titanfreak?

[left yacht]

the whole JVM literally freezes

profiling, nothing works

[austere ivy]

“Pop” goes the weasel.

[left yacht]

time literally itself stops

[limber knot]

if you like towny you'll probably love slimefun

[grand pewter]

i know, i just saw pop in the chat 3 times and i was summoned

[stiff yarrow]

I feel bad for your devs who have to clean up that plugin

[grand pewter]

xD

[pulsar wigeon]

isn't that like beta 1.8?

[austere ivy]

Ryan doesn’t have any devs

[left yacht]

we have two developers

[limber knot]

yeah, that's new :P

[austere ivy]

No you don’t I stole them all

[limber knot]

why hire devs when you can just turn the servers back on

that's big brain thinking

[austere ivy]

they’re mine now >:D

They’re telling me all your secrets — oh wait they’re telling me one now

[limber knot]

/allyourdevsarebelongtome

[austere ivy]

Oh, what’s that?

Mhm? Ooh

[left yacht]

meh, Yive is pretty great.

[limber knot]

so T​it​an​ic​Fr​ea​k, who and why did they sue you?

[austere ivy]

They just told me that Ryan works a sweatshop and that’s how he gets his plugins

Tsk tsk tsk

[left yacht]

someone's parents in Florida, and over false advertising. They tried reporting me to the FTC.

Case got dismissed

as I Don't even live in florida

[limber knot]

oh man I so want to make a songoda joke

[austere ivy]

Oh what’s that? They also told me that they’re suing you for oh what’s that?

[left yacht]

nor did that kid even buy anything

[limber knot]

what was allegedly falsely advertised?

[austere ivy]

I don’t need to sue you anyway

[left yacht]

PAckages on our store which got removed on reset.

Which they didn't buy

[limber knot]

please explain

[left yacht]

and all of our players know

they get reset.

Why are you so interested?

[limber knot]

can I sue titanicfreak for just running towny

[left yacht]

My legal matters are not your concern.

[austere ivy]

I already have nossr monies as is

[limber knot]

I feel like that's illegal

[austere ivy]

It is

[stiff yarrow]

I'm putting brian through college

[austere ivy]

He is

[left yacht]

There is literally a youtuber being sued over a youtube video.

[limber knot]

its nice to know what to avoid

[austere ivy]

That is true yes I am in eternal servitude

[left yacht]

that's the only valid answer

I've actually heard

holy shit

[static badge]

ah yes

[austere ivy]

Ok I must vacuum the floor as my puppers are shedding hair mucho

[static badge]

🍿

[limber knot]

vacuum the pups

problem solved

[austere ivy]

I do that actually

One pup is deathly afraid of the vacuum but the other loves it

[left yacht]

Basically our competitive factions server is very p2w, mainly because of the stupid ftop prizes that factions servers insist on having.

[limber knot]

if you do it more than once then you're doing it wrong

[left yacht]

We reset the majority of our really p2w packages to level the playing field

every season

[austere ivy]

Do I just vacuum their entire coat of hair

[left yacht]

that guy apparently felt robbed

[limber knot]

no, vacuum the pup

[austere ivy]

Better yet do I just vacuum them entirely and feed them in the vacuum?

Ah ok makes sense

Ok see you folks

[limber knot]

amateur

[stiff yarrow]

every season``` that marketing spin

impressive

[limber knot]

see this is the difference between an experienced dev with good problem solving skills and an amateur

[left yacht]

uh nossr, when I was a little kid I wanted to be a marketer

I read so many books on good marketing

then whne I grew up

I realized that was a terrible idea

and now want to do electrical engineering instead

[stiff yarrow]

you've been talking PR so long you don't know how to shut it off anymore

[limber knot]

when I was a kid I wanted to be a despot, now I'd settle for eternal god-emperor of mankind

[left yacht]

its's depressing

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYIXOmDpRA

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Friends Advertising slogans.wmv - length 6m 12s - 2,002 likes, 75 dislikes (96.4%) - 398,820 views - Nadiya Hapachylo-Kuzmych on 2010.02.15

[stiff yarrow]

don't worry I'd nickel and dime people the same way I ain't shaming you

[static badge]

wtf is that emote

[left yacht]

real talk I actually hate running p2w servers

but I only do it because our players want more ftop prizes

every single season

[stiff yarrow]

[left yacht]

they hate p2w but want free money

it's concering

[stiff yarrow]

now you aren't making sense

[limber knot]

I have this theory that nossr actually exists in a parallel dimension where pepe are humans and humans are pepe

[golden gust]

And then people want OP gear too

[left yacht]

this is personal me now nossr

not business me

[limber knot]

I mean you could just not do p2w? 🤔

and he just keeps posting normal emojis that decent people would use in this bizzarro dimension

[stiff yarrow]

``` ![peepoJuice](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/577033679612936202.webp?size=128 "peepoJuice")

[golden gust]

And it's like, p2w stuff is kinda stupid, but in some ways players actually ask for it

[limber knot]

but that no sane person would use in ours

[left yacht]

yes

ftop prizes are like 7,000 dollars a season

[stiff yarrow]

my BS meter is fully erect

[left yacht]

how do you fund them?

[stiff yarrow]

with that statement

[static badge]

I mean if p2w stuff was bad nobody'd play

well

if people didn't like it

[limber knot]

if players didn't want p2w they shouldn't dress like they want it

[left yacht]

here's the annoying part

they complain about p2w so much

yet they secretly enjoy it

[limber knot]

wait, you are giving out real-world prices? Oo

[golden gust]

I mean, for my servers it also tends to be a case of the people without the cash tend to get gear from the people who pay

[left yacht]

phoenix, there are ton servers with real world prizes.

[golden gust]

So, pretty much everybody ends up getting the gear anyways

[rugged plank]

how can I use paper to revert water and tnt mechanics to 1.7 in 1.14?

[stiff yarrow]

isn't the real talk version "I hate running p2w servers but I do it because money"

[left yacht]

sure

I'm a sellout

[golden gust]

That patch was dropped several versions ago as nobody cared to maintain it

[limber knot]

why would people do that instead of just working normally xD

[left yacht]

pin that shit.

anyway

[limber knot]

like you can get way cooler stuff with a normal 8 hour a day job

[left yacht]

1.14 is terrible for factions.

[static badge]

1.14 in general is an oofers

[limber knot]

I'm still on 1.13.2 somehow

[left yacht]

I love 1.14 for survival

anything else

[limber knot]

I'm not even sure of how it happened

[left yacht]

it can die

[limber knot]

heckin oofers

[stiff yarrow]

if you wanna talk to us as peers you should at least trim the PR and marketing spin speak, we aren't your players anyways enough ranting from me

[rugged plank]

@mighty current is there an older version that I can use that will work?

[static badge]

1.7, 1.8 I think

[mighty current]

🤔

[left yacht]

nossr

[mighty current]

dont @ me

[limber knot]

but without the spin how will he ever sleep at night nossr

[left yacht]

it's borderine impossible to do it.

[golden gust]

me either

[left yacht]

smh

[golden gust]

And basically you'd need to go back to a version of paper which still had that patch, which I have no idea how long ago that was

[limber knot]

I'm not sure old water mechanics on 1.14 would work very well

[left yacht]

1.8 had the patch.

Didn't see it in 1.12.2

[rugged plank]

damnit

[left yacht]

iirc

[stiff yarrow]

its chill

[left yacht]

I haven't even been in the paper.yml

[limber knot]

The client would get out of sync so you'd have to detect all those cases and send more block updates to fix it up

[left yacht]

nossr, I've gotten used to your sass ok.

[rugged plank]

anyone know of a plugin that could do so

[static badge]

the only option we have for water related stuff is to refuse to move tnt in water

[left yacht]

I don't mind the criticism

[stiff yarrow]

nah I'm not really sassing you anymore

I genuinely don't blame you for pr speak

you probably have to do it all the time

[static badge]

but that entails re-sending the tnt coords each tick to the client

[left yacht]

nossr

imagine

500 small server owners

messaging you everyday

about your bids

and how to be successful

now imagine that for about 7 months straight

I want to die

[stiff yarrow]

I turn off DMs so I don't have to deal with that noise

[left yacht]

but but but I'm a nice guy.

actually that's bullshit

[limber knot]

Just tell people to learn how to build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj-symafc14 instead

[left yacht]

I leave people on read

so much

lmao

[limber knot]

(Amaranth) Minecraft: 1.14 Simple TNT Cannon - length 2m 11s - 84 likes, 23 dislikes (78.5%) - 6,117 views - Accidental Knights on 2019.05.08

[stiff yarrow]

you'll turn off your DMs at some point

the sooner the better

[rugged plank]

that's not going to work with factions with slab bust/sand stack/etc. etc. thanks anyways though

[left yacht]

if you want tnt physics

[rugged plank]

if anyone cares I personally support readding that feature in a later patch but what does my opinion matter anyways

[left yacht]

please don't actually use 1.14

[austere ivy]

It’s not working!!

[left yacht]

actually better yet

[golden gust]

The issue isn't "support" for it

[left yacht]

don't even make a factions server

those things drain you

so much

[rugged plank]

I'm not the server owner I can't change the version I was just asked to make factions for 1.14

[stiff yarrow]

@meager perch can't really prevent it, you just get used to dealing with it

[rugged plank]

so should I just tell him it's impossible

[heavy rapids]

that's r/peoplefuckingdying material right there

[golden gust]

The issue is is that nobody here really knows/cares about the specifics of how that stuff acts, so we have no real sane way to reimplement that patch

[left yacht]

factions 1.14

if it were survival 1.14 sure

but factions 1.14

eugh

[heavy rapids]

"pOoR dOgGo SuCkEd Up By VaCuUm"

[golden gust]

People have actually worked on patches and stuff here and there for it, but nothings ever been contributed back

[austere ivy]

ITS NOT WORKIJG

[stiff yarrow]

start a 50 dollar gofundme and get spotted on it

[austere ivy]

My dog isn’t working rip

[heavy rapids]

what are you trying brian

[left yacht]

I'd say it's impossible

and if he wants proof, well protocolsupport and viabackwards barely work for 1.14 now

and why is hastebin down

welp pastebin it is

https://pastebin.com/raw/90UT0JLi

[austere ivy]

To vacuum my dog

[left yacht]

and to keep track of uniques

and for bans

people ban evade a lot

[heavy rapids]

Why do you vacuum your dog

[left yacht]

we hide IPs for anyone that isn't in management so there's no way about them getting leaked

[heavy rapids]

Like how would you feel if I came along and vacuumed you, brian?

[left yacht]

I just realized there is still 2 1.9 users on my factions server

ban wipes boost playercounts

[fallen oracle]

Smh, the developer of ShareX is big dumb.

[left yacht]

but short term gain only lasts for so long

[golden gust]

Yea, it's 100% the player count boost

[left yacht]

I'd say it only lasts for 2 weeks

[heavy rapids]

does the eula allow $$ unbans btw

[fallen oracle]

Trying to setup sftp upload but none of my ssh key formats are supported.

[left yacht]

no

[golden gust]

Having a large number of players online attracks other players

[heavy rapids]

good

[left yacht]

we're phasing out our paid unbans

[heavy rapids]

I remember those being a thing

oof

[golden gust]

And well, the bad players will come back, but they'll have either learnt that getting banned reaaally sucks, or we'll just remove them again

[heavy rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/510503767574183956.png?v=1

[left yacht]

we instead prefer our "second chance policy"

aka if a player realizes they screwed up

apologize

and a few more irreldvent things

we'll let them back

that may sound easy

but on a mass scale, like 1-2 people do it a week

and we get thousands of appeals a week.

its' really sad

but I guess they are just kids

they REALLY want to be right

[heavy rapids]

so 1 to 2 apologies vs thousands of "I didn't do it" appeals?

[left yacht]

yes

[heavy rapids]

rip

do you state that apologies result in unbans?

[left yacht]

our false positive ratio I'd say is 2-3%

and no

[heavy rapids]

ah

makes more sense now

[spiral garden]

if they did that everyone would "apologise"

[heavy rapids]

probably, but kids can be stupid

[left yacht]

Custom anticheats require c onstant development

and I would never recommend any.

From my experience, we have used this and it's done us wonders. https://www.mc-market.org/resources/475/

It actually has patched a good chunk of vclipping which surprised us.

but it isn't perfect

nothing is

[spiral garden]

no anticheat is perfect

just look at valve

[golden gust]

I've honestly not bothered with anti-cheat, tbh

[spiral garden]

they've been perfecting it for 20-odd years

and still can't get it 100% right

[limber knot]

they do get it 100%

[left yacht]

electronic, for many years we actually lied about having an anticheat

[golden gust]

I had installed NCP to serve as an indicator, but it's one of those things where we just go from player reports and staff evaluating stuff

[left yacht]

and for most of those years they believed us

AI is good in theory for that

but someone would find a way

to feed it junk data

and screw it up

[heavy rapids]

andgk, be the change you wanna see

[left yacht]

we only use NCP on our pvp based servers

nothing at all

[spiral garden]

just use ezprotector, it's the PERFECT anticheat

/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s/s /s

[heavy rapids]

okay, then let me rephrase it: "Change the bee you wanna C."

[left yacht]

there is ONE exception

there is a crash exploit with 1.13.2 which I still can't figure out

and without NCP

someone can just crash your server

and I have no idea why

I've spent hours trying to debug it

added NCP and it fixed itself

still confused but I went on with my day. also I really need to condense my messages

1.13 is so weird

I doubt electronic knows what's wrong with it either

kek

I know there is a crash exploit with 1.8.8 that without developer fixes, makes 1.8.8 completely and utterly worthless

[golden gust]

For finding out what's going on with exploits and crashes like that, we need to know what is actually going on

[left yacht]

it's to due with books (again)

[golden gust]

Sometimes that's easy to deduce from the crash reports, etc

Other times it's basically hell

[left yacht]

well electro, then we gotta figure out if it's actually a paper issue

or our server

[golden gust]

You have a way to reproduce it?

[left yacht]

we didn't bother reporting the 1.8.8 crash exploit as I know you guys don't care about it (Rightfully so)

still trying to figure out 1.13 though

to answer your question, no

we're trying to figure it out

but it happens while me and my staff team are asleep

and it's so annoying

[golden gust]

anny crash reports or anything from it?

[left yacht]

the server just freezes

whole JVM freezes

and we get too many packets sent from NCP

from a few players

[golden gust]

jstack provide anything useful?

[left yacht]

I didn't think of that at the time

I will next time it occurs

for that 1.8.8 crash, it's based around the fact that 1.8.8 has no packet data limit for adding book pages. So a client sends an incredibly oversized packet (past 1500 MTU, but minecraft packets and real packets are different which is why someone can send something s ostupid).

This packet is like MB in size and the regex in adding a book page just freezes the entire netty thread.

and nocheatplus alone won't help you andgk

you gotta use that ncp fork, which updates it for you

and gives you a config with it

and all additional plugins to help make it better

[austere ivy]

I posted it to people heccing dying

Make sure to updoot

[heavy rapids]

link to post me lazy

[left yacht]

yes

[fallen oracle]

Boutta lose my mind. I have a working ssh key pair but ShareX insists it doesn't work

[left yacht]

you gotta use

a different format

of key

[spiral garden]

discord.gg/sharex go ping them or something

(pls mods no ban)

[left yacht]

with sharex

[fallen oracle]

Yeah, I had to make a new DSA key pair

They don't like RSA

[golden gust]

I might know the issue you're talking about

[left yacht]

I haven't loaded my key in puttygen

in years

I forgot what I did

[fallen oracle]

I created it in bash and ssh-copy-id to my server, and it works via bash. When I test it for sftp in ShareX, it keeps saying denied publickey.

[golden gust]

if it's what I think it is it's actually a CB issue

[limber knot]

anyone knows what exactly is stopping pex from shutting down in 1.14? It works fine in every other version, there is nothing to break

[ocean ether]

Ehehehe outdated software

[left yacht]

PEX doesn't even work in 1.13.2

afaik

[ocean ether]

use luckperms

[limber knot]

pex works just fine in 1.13.2

luckperms is over engineered with broken api

[golden gust]

if you have access to the server, use jstack

[void void]

Just transfer to luckperms

[golden gust]

and you can use vault to access LPs data

Not the best option, but 🤷

[left yacht]

LP is the best system we've used so far.

PEX just didn't scale, and also inflated the timings cost of every single plugin

mainly beacuse it's permission checks are cancer

!status

how

do you check that bot again

it's been like weeks

[golden gust]

I believe that there are ways LPs API could be cleaner, but it's not too bad

[golden gust]

!stats

[limber knot]

Uptime: 7 days, 6 hours, 15 minutes, 56 seconds
Message Handling: 2ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 1329 (6%)
Messages from Discord: 22522 (94%)

[left yacht]

I knew it was stats

[void void]

Hello I am wondering what is the exact version of the servers that accepts 1.8 to 1.14c clients? Too lazy to check

[left yacht]

but I didn't know if it was full or not

I mean we've converted most of our network to LP and it's done us wonders.

It has quirks, but PEX does too

PEX arguably worse

[ocean ether]

I think luck is making luckperms api v5 now so you can probably suggest changes to api now

[left yacht]

personally my dev and management team have no issues.

[austere ivy]

yes me too

[ocean ether]

Never had any problem with it yoo but for anyone thinking it's bad it's time to suggest changes lol

[austere ivy]

@heavy rapids https://reddit.app.link/DqfSUicc5X

Don’t share it with anyone

Top secret

[heavy rapids]

thanks shared

:D

[left yacht]

so towny likes resetting itself

depending on the reboot

and now my players are riotting

god I hate this plugin

[austere ivy]

I mean that’s the towny way right?

[left yacht]

it's on our roadmaps

we don't even plan on trying to fix the plugin

by the time the code base was fixed, it would be a new plugin entirely.

[heavy rapids]

hmu if you want my town impl, it needs some work tho, as it relies on proprietary libraries

[left yacht]

whole I/O system is buggered

[golden gust]

What do you guys actually have in mind for requirements?

Because I'm basically at the point where replacing towny is on my todo list

[static badge]

should rewrite towny tbh

[golden gust]

(Well, it's on there, just a slightly down the road thing)

[left yacht]

requirements for the plugin?

[golden gust]

Tbh, towny just contains a lot of unneeded bloat for me

[left yacht]

Towny does indeed have a ton of bloat.

[golden gust]

There are also lots of areas where it does stuff which could be handled a looot more efficently

[left yacht]

towny permissions is also a nightmare

[golden gust]

That new day stuff titanic said about, pretty sure last I looked at that there was obvious ways to improve all of that

[left yacht]

new day also doesn't even have a time limiter

it just freezes the whole server

until it's done

most of the time it's only 15 seconds

until a big town falls

and it has to unclaim 1700 chunks of land

because yes it tries to regenerate that land for some reason.

no matter what, even if you disable that config option. It'll still burn those cpu cycles.

also surely .txt for a storage system isn't ideal either. Literally need to make your own parser for that

[wide chasm]

.txt lol

[golden gust]

Honestly would consider learning h2 or sqlite for that one lol

[left yacht]

Yive is addicted to h2.

[golden gust]

(mysql ❤ but...)

[left yacht]

not sure if h2 would be the best fit

sure as hell don't want .yml though

[golden gust]

h2 seemed interesting and less troublesome than sqlite, especially as it's 100% in java

[left yacht]

sqlite has scaling issues

so I guess yeah

[static badge]

yml is the greatest format

[left yacht]

no .properties files

[golden gust]

Yes!

instead of .txt, lets just use .properties files

[left yacht]

(as an owner of the server.properties foundation, I must mention I have a conflict of interest /s)

[ocean ether]

Nah .sh is best format

[golden gust]

Was it you who owned that site?

[austere ivy]

Server.properties

[left yacht]

I still own it

[austere ivy]

Wait you own it??

Gosh you make me mad I wanted that one

[left yacht]

I feel like every month I go through this convo.

[golden gust]

I mean, love the site

looks at the bottom

[left yacht]

I only do it because it gets 11k uniques a month

[austere ivy]

At least I still have Minecraft.properties

[left yacht]

if it sends at least one person to paper

that's my job done

[austere ivy]

I actually don’t :(

[ocean ether]

minecraft.server domain

:oooo

[austere ivy]

Ryan can you mention Cardboard too?

[ocean ether]

Monaco

Yeee that's really not easy to get

[austere ivy]

Ryan RYAN

If you’re mentioning paper you at least much mention cardboard.

Tsk tsk tsk

[left yacht]

dealing with riots, why I'm not responding

[austere ivy]

Okay but call me up later I’d like a cardbordbsponsor :)

Xardbordbsponro

Cardboard. Spine

Cardboard sponsor

Gosh typing on a phone is hard

[left yacht]

no

I know many people have.

but I don't recommend it

every server is different

and only you can figure out if it works for your server

plugins change how that config works and needs to be edited.

generally speaking, it does a good job for all gamemodes we've tried it on, even if we removed it for performance reasons eventually on our 1.12.2 servers

[austere ivy]

Here’s a general description of cardboard:

https://itstehbrian.github.io/Cardboard

[left yacht]

so a meme, nice

[austere ivy]

yes no

how are the ryots going?

Oh I made up a new word, it’s Ryan + Riots for any riots that are caused by towny Ryan

[jaunty bolt]

hey @green edge remember this? https://i.gyazo.com/6e446bfd84e892293c690453d6bb294d.png

5GB ram used in 30 seconds 😛

[unreal quarry]

That's pretty normal for Minecraft. Mojang loves to eat objects for breakfast

[grand pewter]

yeah thats how GC (essentials command) usually appears as well

my server will eat through like 10gb before GC runs on it

[limber knot]

[Xinayder] is there a way to change compiler parameters when compiling paper?

[Xinayder] I got a java heap space error trying to compile it

[tropic flame]

because it sucks™

jk

[limber knot]

maybe it just needs moral support

it's always feeling down and you're not helping it

send it good vibes

[vestal jasper]

Thing is, even tho I left their Discord myself, they've banned my account. So I just went online with another account and surprise - not a single message found wrote by my account. What does this show me? That they cleaned their chat afterwards.```
Or they used the default ban action which purges messages.

[austere ivy]

Vic where’s that from?

[tropic flame]

context please

[austere ivy]

Ryan so hows that Ryot going

Also

[left yacht]

on bigger servers (say 500 players) you can eat through like 10GB a second.

[austere ivy]

Cardboard support when??

[left yacht]

and pretty good

[vestal jasper]

I cant easily link

Mobile is cancer

I go to copy the link and it vanishes

[upper flicker]

is that the one guy again

because we really dont need to be giving him the time of day

[tropic flame]

the requested page could not be found

[static badge]

what cancer has decided to grow in here today

[heavy rapids]

♋

[vestal jasper]

♋

[heavy rapids]

I like how discord has a cancer emoji which looks like a 69.

(yeah ik it's a zodiac thing)

[limber knot]

yeah, cancer

[tropic flame]

the cancer symbol looks like a 69 anyway

[limber knot]

ayy bby u want some :cancer: ?

now what did I ask

[heavy rapids]

You just asked "now what did I ask".

[limber knot]

bitch did you see an interrogation mark on the second statement

it was not a question but a demand

[vestal jasper]

yes I do

[left yacht]

@austere ivy I'm going to make a fork of paper called newspaper.

and it's going to be brilliant

updates as often as the newspaper usually comes in the mail.

I really need to sleep because I'm making up awesome ideas

[limber knot]

I'll make a fork called toiletpaper

and it's going to be shit

[limber knot]

also it'll constantly wipe your data

[left yacht]

doesn't that already existed

it's called spigot

walks out of the room

[wide hazel]

@upper flicker

[left yacht]

every channel in here should be called #taco during taco tuesday.

[limber knot]

no channel should ever be taco channel

[woven otter]

quick everyone duck

[limber knot]

!kick ^-^ Yea, you can take that attitude out of here

[quasi valley]

he obviously meant that a simple channel doesnt show the due respect for such a godlike thing

[limber knot]

now we see the violence inherent in the system

They hated ^-^ because he spoke the truth.

[woven otter]

[upper flicker]

@wide hazel looks like a fine establishment

[dark nimbus]

is there a plugin that completely shuts down world gen

[static badge]

mfw tacos

[pulsar wigeon]

/stop?

[limber knot]

that doesn't sound like a plugin to me

[pulsar wigeon]

wtf is "shuts down world gen" supposed to mean

[dark nimbus]

dont generate chunks

[limber knot]

^-^: https://imgur.com/a/ejYEL97

a plugin that autoruns /stop on startu

[dark nimbus]

and dont write empty chunks to disk

[limber knot]

p

quality, stonar

[left yacht]

empty chunks will always be written if the region they are in have data

[pulsar wigeon]

are you asking for a worldborder or what

.-.

[left yacht]

yeah his phrasing is off.

ClearLagg has a way to disable chunk generation

though it's not ideal

and I would NEVER recommend it

[dark nimbus]

i just dont want the server to save chunks

[left yacht]

so you want a void world

[void void]

./save-off

[left yacht]

practically

just an empty world

that resets on reboot?

[dark nimbus]

sure

[void void]

stupid DMV appointment today -.-

[left yacht]

I wish you luck in your 10 hour trek

to the literal building of hell

[void void]

I have an appointment but yeah still

[left yacht]

appointments are mere gestures here

half of the time

[void void]

heh

here they are honored, with grace, i just hate the dmv

drivers thing?

department of motor vehicles yes

[woven otter]

sounds pretty american

[void void]

oh, no im not getting my drivers license for the first time lol

i have to go there to upgrade my ID to federal compliant

so i can fly

In hindsight it was a bad idea to get drunk last night

I'm applying multiple hangover recovery methods atm

DMV is american thingy

[left yacht]

imagine getting your license renewed

while dead ass going through hangover

[void void]

known as Service Ontario here in Ontario,Canada

I'm sure all countries have a similar thing lol

[left yacht]

I should check if my ID is even up to date for flying.

meh I got it last year it's probably ok

[void void]

It's just a place you go to get your IDs renewed or issued.

[left yacht]

real ID is weird

[void void]

mk

DMV is literally just the name of the company, it doesn't have to be called that. Afaik DMV is just a private company w/ contract from government.

Aren't even govt employees

[left yacht]

it ain't even called the DMV here but everyone calls it that anyway.

[void void]

Yea kek

I just hate IntelliJ's colouring

if the US named it would be called the Department of Licenses and Permission and Vehicles and Travelling and Waiting

omfg so DLPVTW?

yeah just a joke though

ik xd

bureaucracy loves acronyms

[left yacht]

when there is some dope ass thunder and it's raining

but sun is out

I want to die

[void void]

Where is the rain coming from lmao

no clouds? or sun is just visible among them

[left yacht]

well

there are clouds

but the sun

is

[void void]

Rainbow?

[left yacht]

I've been up for 16 hours and my words don't work

[void void]

rip

grammarly

[left yacht]

it's a burst of rain

sun is just outside of the clouds

[void void]

o i had dat 30 mins ago

man I'm dying, I'm gonna have to put on a fake ass smile and attitude in the dmv

then walk outside and keel over

[left yacht]

could be worse, last time I was there

there was this dude dead ass high

[void void]

i've done that

[left yacht]

oh nice

[void void]

high aint as bad as hangover, at least you aren't nauseas

[left yacht]

I find being high more entertaining than handovers to watch anyway

[void void]

oh definitely

it's more fun being that as well

whatever i drank last night was a bunch of alcholic apple juice

i couldn't stop

😭

taste 2 gud

aaaaand off to the hurry up and wait game

[tranquil bone]

Salutations @left yacht

[austere ivy]

Very cool @left yacht

And also to you @subtle flume, the budget TitanicFreak

[left yacht]

tfw you get tagged twice

[tranquil bone]

True, bad habbit

[spiral garden]

"handover"

[snow holly]

fucking skids

[void void]

rip man

[pulsar wigeon]

...why?

[unreal quarry]

but the bottom of your feet?

what did you do, lay out with your feet straight up in the air?

[merry talon]

I once got lobster-ified on the first day of my florida vacation

and then promptly bumped my shoulder on something which ripped a bunch of skin right off

[ancient bolt]

just spent $270 on more rubik's cubes 🙃

[void void]

wow ok

[void void]

i see

[vestal jasper]

https://giphy.com/gifs/everyone-remake-rw-s239QJIh56sRW

[void void]

but y so many?

[ancient bolt]

because this is my hobby and I enjoy collecting good speed cubes

[void void]

ok

[vestal jasper]

$60 for a 3x3

[ancient bolt]

it's a really cool 3x3 with modular springs, numerical tension system, and modular magnets

[vestal jasper]

o it's one of those

[ancient bolt]

no other cube anywhere has modular magnets

[void void]

ok I see

[vestal jasper]

with the rods right?

[ancient bolt]

yes

[vestal jasper]

ah I've seen the 6x6 version of that one

[ancient bolt]

and no other cube anywhere has a discrete tension system, which I've been dying to have for ages

[void void]

y tf does it take ages to get on a realm?

[void void]

realms

[limber knot]

realms also run java edition minecraft?

There are Java realms and bedrock realms

[woven otter]

demon you really have a thing for cubes

[dark nimbus]

will a chunk be entity processing if theres loaded chunks around it or does there have to be a player nearby?

[static badge]

it needs ticket level 31 or lower & a player must be uh what was it 16384 or less chunks away

or was it limited to players being around it

I forget

[hot gorge]

Not a paper issue, is it typical for an observer to power three droppers all right next to each other?

Just is not behaving like I expected

[unreal quarry]

why 31? why not 30, or 32? sounds like magic number bs. lets deprecate it

runs

[static badge]

it's 33 -> border (no ticking at all), 32 -> (chunk ticking), 31 -> (entity ticking), 33 -> max view distance

[unreal quarry]

you said 33 twice

[static badge]

yes

[fallen oracle]

That's what they want you to think.

[golden gust]

The worse part is is that I know the build isn't the latest as it pop'd up saying that it had expired sometime 2018

[latent sorrel]

thats just the NSA preventing it from patching a backdoor they like to use

[void void]

Lmao wtf

Oh I was scrolled up

Sup with the soles of the feet

[ember narwhal]

Ehh the USA surveillance isn't so bad compared to the UK.

[limber knot]

DemonWav: what's your pb 3x3 single?

[latent sorrel]

No UK surveillance is insane

its the new China

[ancient bolt]

stonar96 don't have an exact number, but I think it's like 25 seconds

[limber knot]

Can anyone make anything of these errors that keep crashing my server? https://pastebin.com/anzF8qKr

My server will stay online for maybe 3 minutes then these errors start spaming and it crashes and restarts.

Please help.

[golden gust]

Enjin plugin is upset about something, maybe one of its signs was broke?

[merry talon]

don't hit that check for update button

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows10-check-for-updates/

[ancient bolt]

wait what lol

[merry talon]

yeah

people who did that got their documents deleted

[ancient bolt]

windows updates fucking love to delete people's documents

[merry talon]

I probably should move all my stuff somewhere else

[ancient bolt]

yeah I need to build a NAS and store all my shit there

would be nice to have all my shit accessible by all my devices at home too

[merry talon]

agreed

the enclosures for those things are just ridiculously priced though

[ancient bolt]

yeah idk what I'll do about that

but I'm thinking next build I'll use my current machine for my NAS

this workstation motherboard has 10 native SATA ports

will be plenty for what I would want, and a 6-core i7 would be overkill for that application lol

esp with software ZRAID

[merry talon]

yeah I just dont have space to use a full tower as one lol

[ancient bolt]

yeah it's standard ATX, idk

also this board has 2 NICs, no clue if I could actually use that for better performance or not

[hot gorge]

I like my Synology 5 bay. Price was just right to warrant not building a PC for it

[upper flicker]

I've been wanting to pick up one of those 5 bay synologys for a while now, just haven't caught the right sale to make me jump

I hear lots of good things about them

[hot gorge]

I have a DS1515+ with 8gb of RAM

A buddy just started as tier 3 support for Dobro

[ancient bolt]

I would really like 6 8TB drives in RAID-Z3

[hot gorge]

I want to see if he can send me one for testing at work

[ancient bolt]

wonder if I could do 5 10TB drives instead

sacrificing a lot of storage with only 5 drives

good lord didn't realize 14TB drives were on the market

not cheap tho