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void void
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When I was a child my recurring nightmare was being chased by a fucking T-Rex and hiding behind a tree before being eaten alive

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It was fantastic

cosmic raft
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my recurring nightmare

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has been me in a basement, very dark, and a train comes into it with someone evil who chases me up the stairs

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but i fall down them

void void
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Now that I know T-Rex likely looked like a gigantic fucking chicken and didn't roar but probably "coo"'d, it's more funny than scary.

wooden blade
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I'd just imagine it clapping it's hands or trying to tie its sneakers.

quasi valley
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As a kid I dreamt of my clock turning evil at midnight, having a dirty face and just magically locking all doors in the house, trapping me 😂

wooden blade
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I think they call those Nests now.

void void
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dirty face?

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Before coming to torture you did your clock partake in Dirty Sanchez?

quasi valley
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Just imagine like a Disney villain look with smudge on his face

void void
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Yeah he was engaging in Dirty Sanchez

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Nasty clock

cosmic raft
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"icing"

void void
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Wtf

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If I was ever in such a class, I'd drop it.

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Don't have time for the shenanigans

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I'm here to learn

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Not be fucking brainwashed

quasi valley
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ours are 😂

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Not too sure, we‘ll read reference letters later

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But it certainly is a lot thinking_eyes

void void
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each paragraph focuses on a different body part lul

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"I love your eyes because...."

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8 paragraphs later

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"I love your NSFW because...."

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That whole class is creepy AF

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Prof never received love letters, so makes class write some to her

quasi valley
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That’s also a way to frame it 😂

void void
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She'll probably grab a class of wine and her special friends why reading some (or all) of them. Honestly, if you thought I was kidding when I said I'd drop I'm not. That is so creepy. And unprofessional tbh

quasi valley
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I’ll just subtly make it a hate letter by writing “... and you are the exact opposite of all that” at the end

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Oh that’s good haha

void void
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You're going to start getting emails after the class, and it's going to turn harrassment

quasi valley
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Well writing messages on the bike isn’t fun, so bye for now

void void
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Adios chai

dense trout
limber knotBOT
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Does 1.14 have map issues?

heavy rapids
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Don't use your phone and ride a bike, while other people might be at fault that ain't gonna bring you back from the dead :^)

quasi valley
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yeah, obviously

limber knotBOT
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I've updated one of my servers to 1.14.2 and just walking building new chunks brings the tps down to 13.

quasi valley
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did you optimize the entire world with the startup flags?

void void
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Go to 1.14.3.

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WHy are you using .2

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.2 has horrible chunk problems, reports say .3 has helped

limber knotBOT
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essentialsX breaks with 1.14.3

quasi valley
void void
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That was supposedly fixed are you using latest essX

jaunty bolt
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Switch to CMI otherwise 😃

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We updated to .3 and it works "decent"

limber knotBOT
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Ok, uploading 1.14.3 and newest essX

void void
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@quasi valley do you have invite to the ess disc

quasi valley
void void
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thx

green edge
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would i get banned on spigot if i added a feature into my plugin to allow people to download paper fast?

void void
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no idea

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knowing them, probably

cosmic raft
void void
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Happy Birthday 1.7.10

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You old motherfucker

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Oh, fuck

quasi valley
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and it's dead since? dinnerthink

void void
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That means I'm an old motherfucker

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i wish they had bought 10.today so it could be howoldisminecraft1.7.10.today

tardy lynx
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minecraft should revert to 1.7.10

quasi valley
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and you should be thrown into an endless hell

heavy rapids
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1.7.10 sucks change my mind

void void
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can't and won't

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1.8b was my baby

limber knotBOT
void void
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:)

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16 tps tho

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.optimization

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erm

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.optimize

limber knotBOT
wise pebble
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zamknij pizde

void void
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wat

limber knotBOT
void void
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dynmap is murdering you

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not surprising on such low ram

vestal jasper
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10.today is taken

void void
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i saw

limber knotBOT
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from standing still

void void
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Is that really surprising lol

limber knotBOT
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mfw you want to shit talk a random tp plugin for doing sync chunk loads and then its made by phoenix616

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hai o/ 😂

void void
limber knotBOT
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smth smth consider using PaperLib.teleportAsync instead, it will fallback to a sync tp on spigot but provide async tp to paper users

tranquil bone
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Yesterday I took the risk of going balls to the wall and updating to 1.14.3

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It runs really smooth haha

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Haven't encountered a single problem

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) A custom Java Edition snapshot to test new combat mechanics : Minecraft - 13 comments, 50 points - jeb_, 1h ago

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how the hell did I trigger a stack overflow

void void
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by being a dumbass

limber knotBOT
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oh no

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he got me

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fuck I legit can't find it

void void
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maybe stop being stupid

limber knotBOT
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oh no I got told

void void
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async we crashed on you not 1.14.3

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also that's not a crash, the server is just busy doing something

finite wave
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Lolol

vestal jasper
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Attacks only happen when fully charged, even if you spam click
sounds like an interesting solution

finite wave
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Hmm

vestal jasper
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On paper these look like fun changes

limber knotBOT
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Since updating to 1.14.3, what I've watched happening is chunks begin loading and continue to load until it brings the tps to 0 and the server shuts down.

void void
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Do you have some sort of plugin that is forcing chunks to load such as worldborder, and if so a very large border

limber knotBOT
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I have worldborder but it shouldn't be loading chunks.

void void
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That's the entire point of worldborder

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To preload chunks

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(And then add a border)

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How big is your border

limber knotBOT
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I have several worlds. Most the border is 13k.

void void
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Alright, I'm not 100% versed on WB so I would wait for someone else's comments on the issue but any plugin loading chunks (and also not unloading them, the API did change on that iirc) will cause a chunk leak (thus a memory leak) and then your server will die

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So I'ma yield to someone else

wheat talon
cedar spade
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@void void WB pregenerates chunks if you run a command, but it doesn't keep them loaded (at least not intentionally)

void void
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oh

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my bad

ornate spindle
tranquil bone
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wait till it goes live

red oriole
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having this very irritating problem

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when running a long 1.13 style execute command in 1.14.2 it works properly

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however as soon as I put it into a command block it reacts as if I never put the command in at all

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minecraft:execute at @e[tag=beamgenerator] as @s run summon minecraft:tnt_minecart ~ ~ ~ {NoGravity:1,Tags:["beammember"]}

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works when running as a command in chat

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can be seen here

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however when running from a command block...

limber knotBOT
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how the hell am I throwing a stack overflow error when saving a config file

red oriole
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no response.

void void
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magma do you have some stupid obj in your conf that it doesnt know how to serialize or wat

limber knotBOT
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it's probably my new itemstack serializer isn't it

void void
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yes

limber knotBOT
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the weird thing is

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it does save properly

void void
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what are you serializing to

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json?

limber knotBOT
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da

void void
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lemme see your serializer

limber knotBOT
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I'll let you see ur mom

void void
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fr tho

limber knotBOT
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.paste

void void
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is it failing on ser or deser?

limber knotBOT
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deser isn't currently getting called

void void
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oh k

limber knotBOT
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and it does seem to ser fine

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hm

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I mean if it wasn't good it shouldn't show up in the config file right

void void
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yea

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wait so what is overflowing

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save or ser

limber knotBOT
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everything shows up just fine

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save overflows but the shit shows up just fine

void void
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o.o

limber knotBOT
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oh I think I know what happened

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yeah

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alright

void void
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What is it

limber knotBOT
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it's not a ser issue it only fires when the file already exists

void void
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ah

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limber knotBOT
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I don't actually want the whole itemstack this is only for menu items

void void
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yeah thought so

limber knotBOT
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I have a much more elaborate ser/des already in place for my custom items

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pretty sure it's thousands of lines in total...

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but it has custom enchants so there's that

void void
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I had a gigantic serializer for items but just said fuck it and serialized the whole damn thing using ConfigurationSerializable

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yea custom enchants would change that

limber knotBOT
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yeah and it also has a potions effect system

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which can apply on hit or continuously

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and to the player or to the entity struck by the player

void void
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OP

limber knotBOT
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starting to customize the potion effect effects too

void void
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too OP 5 five

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me

limber knotBOT
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Hi, my server is really laggy when we hit 60 players, here is the timings report

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any ideas?

wide chasm
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You have about ~3600 loaded entities which seems to be the main issue.

limber knotBOT
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What can I do about this?

wide chasm
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You probably want to kill some of those.

limber knotBOT
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I already use clearlag

supple knoll
void void
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why is papper mc 1.14.2 closed

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i can only download 1.14.3 from official website

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does paper 1.14.3 support 1.14.2 plugins so i can easily replace .jar file in server folder

merry talon
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Yes

finite wave
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No 1.14.3 is a whole new game

tropic flame
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lmao I'm stuck with 1.14.2 until optifine releases a preview jar for it

limber knotBOT
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seems they found a good balance for the new combat update

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yeah, really like it

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more options \o/

wide chasm
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I really hope this doesn't separate the player base even further.

limber knotBOT
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its up to the players to provide CONSTRUCTIVE feedback now

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everybody crying for a pvp toggle should be hanged

wide chasm
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A pvp toggle wouldn't do anything good: 1.8 players would just complain that it isn't exactly like 1.8 and stick to 1.8 anyway.

limber knotBOT
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(MrSpock78) Minecraft PVP & Combat Update - length 13m 9s - 858 likes, 13 dislikes (98.5%) - 6,062 views - docm77 on 2019.06.26

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doc isn't in the pvp community

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also, its so fun to here a german speak english 😂

wide chasm
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doc has a very heavy accent

limber knotBOT
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nothing for ungood :P

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yeah, its not only the accent

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he tries to project german saying into english

wide chasm
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I don't think I even notice that anymore, I've heard too many people speak their own version of English.

ornate spindle
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tbh anyone in EU speaking english seems mostly fine, though if you keep going east, it gets harder to understand

strange ridge
quasi valley
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even better are English trying to speak German 👀

limber knotBOT
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as a german you notice it, as you have the german sayings in your mind

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and its fucking hilarious 😂

wide chasm
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I've had 5 years German and still don't understand your language, even though the government here wants us to speak German better than English.

worn ember
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i had 8 years of french

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and all i can say is baguette

wide chasm
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Bonjour, j'ai un baguette.

limber knotBOT
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I failed all my english classes in school

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and look at me know

wide chasm
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now*

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😉

limber knotBOT
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speaking perfect minilang

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electronicboy can confirm

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that was intentional stef ^^

wide chasm
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Just make your own language if the others don't work

limber knotBOT
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some ppl are "interesting"

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"Hey my server crashes", > attaches spigot thread with timings

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"can you please attach the log?" > attaches log with spam of some stupid kit plugin, not the crash log

worn ember
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👀

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500iq

cursive torrent
last heath
void void
worn ember
upper flicker
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I mean I’d close reports from spigot with the same message or near about

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He’s not wrong

worn ember
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Yeah i know 😃

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just seemed a bit harsher than needed

wide chasm
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Sounds fine to me tbh

heady spear
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they are responsible for what people do with their code tbh

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just like FAWE bugs should be reported to enginehub rather than IS

pulsar wigeon
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i heard that

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🎣

worn ember
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just report everything to Oracle

slim aspen
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That doesn’t seem like he’s mad

worn ember
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as they're responsible for java

slim aspen
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Just frustrated

heady spear
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Report it to sun microsystems for good measure

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it's probably their fault

worn ember
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i mean, i'd be too if i had to deal with retards all day 😃

slim aspen
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I’ll report it to intel since it’s running on their hardware

heady spear
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I'd be frustrated if I had to be Choco too

worn ember
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@heady spear what you working on these days?

slim aspen
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I’ll be reporting all of these bugs to Benjamin Franklin because they use electricity

heady spear
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I'm working on my server, and my degree.

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I don't really work on any public projects atm

worn ember
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arent you on summer break yet?

heady spear
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Summer semester :))

worn ember
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ew

heady spear
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I go on break the 17th on August, but I have my surgery scheduled the 27th lol

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so I get 10 days off this summer :3

worn ember
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i'd die

heady spear
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it's fine tbh, I don't like not working

worn ember
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well granted i have work in 2 weeks and then i need to study to do my retakes

heady spear
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I have a retake but I'm gonna do that some other year

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can't be bothered with physics lol

worn ember
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i think i'ma have like 5-6 lmfao

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Grade A student

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i get my grades tomorrow

heady spear
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I miss two weeks of class because of the surgery so I'd like to get ahead in those courses

worn ember
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site will probably be down for 3 hours again lmao

heady spear
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it's Operating Systems, and Computer Systems lol, can't be that hard

worn ember
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i had computer systems this year

heady spear
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I got my semester grades last week but they haven't reported them to the admissions center yet

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so I don't know if they'll be included in the admissions for the next semester, in which case??

worn ember
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in my course it was basically just calculations with binary and hex and so on

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two complement, 7 complement, 9 complement

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and whatnot

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and some hardware

heady spear
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we have to look at some dumb C snippet and write it in assembly

worn ember
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lol

heady spear
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basically look at this code and translate it into MIPS-assembly

fast solstice
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Just a small truly irrlevant, but curious question..... How come Spigot cannot include Bukkit in their builds and have to use the buildtools, while paper can?

worn ember
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pretty sure paper doesnt either

wide chasm
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Paperclip patches the server for you and caches that.

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Paper uses binary patches though, which are faster than the patches Spigot uses.

worn ember
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so thats what the .cache is for 😃

finite wave
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Duh @worn ember

worn ember
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me smurt

heady spear
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"write a subroutine with the name dubgem in C that doubles the lowercase letters in a string. It should be written without [ and ], and without library functions" <.<

fast solstice
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Right, but downloading it automatically, isn't that technically the same as including it?

worn ember
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no

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it gets downloaded from the authorized source

fast solstice
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If the package has the file buildt in, or downloads the packages as soon as you run it, wouldn't that count as the same?

worn ember
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so legal distribution

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you're just not allowed to distribute the source

wide chasm
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The main problem was iirc, the NMS code. That one is downloaded, not included. Gray legal area, but works for the time being.

heady spear
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interrupts are hella weird

fast solstice
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Cool cool, thank you. It's irrelevant, but i was curious :P

worn ember
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i dont see how its irrelevant?

fast solstice
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To me...

heady spear
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then why'd you ask? <.<

worn ember
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its a pretty major part to get things working

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xD

fast solstice
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Because i was curious how it worked out technically

finite wave
heady spear
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then it's a pretty relevant question

fast solstice
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Truth be told, this is only relevant for one person, and thats the original author of Bukkit that denied Spigot to include bukkit in the code

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To the rest of the world, its irrelevant :P

heady spear
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it

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is

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very relevant

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to a lot of people

wide chasm
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Tbh, someone should make a repository with the NMS classes, fields and methods, as mapped by Spigot, but without any code in the methods, constructors, etc. If you need NMS running BuildTools in a CI is way too slow.

finite wave
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“Original author” of bukkit

heady spear
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Buildtools takes like a minute

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how busy are you? <.<

wide chasm
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It takes 10 minutes in my CI and 20 on my pc.

pulsar wigeon
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are you on windows or something Jebaited

finite wave
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^

fast solstice
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As far as I know, then buildtools and the issues with using the code is caused by one single person at bukkit who wrote that code. And from what i read, people don't really know why he did why he did, he just did it?

wide chasm
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I think CI is on Linux

rancid urchin
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Anyone have a datapack or plugin that reverts enchanting back to how it was in 1.14.2?

wide chasm
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I'm on Windows though

finite wave
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@rancid urchin Meh

pulsar wigeon
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mfw mojang reverts unpopular changes and then people want it back

heady spear
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He didn't write all of the code. He contributed some code. It's also very clear why he did it

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I don't think anyone questions why he did it tbh

wide chasm
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From what I've heard a person wrote a bunch of Bukkit code then Mojang said "you know this is our stuff, right, since you're using NMS" and then he said, you can no longer use my code. That's what I understand from it though

fast solstice
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Why? Pretty sure i read a statement from md_5 where he couldnt say why

pulsar wigeon
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there's a bunch of reviews of what happened online

heady spear
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The Bukkit project lead decided to cancel the Bukkit project, but then Mojang were like "no dude we own this" but no one knew mojang owned bukkit

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and the bukkit community were like "well that's just rude"

fast solstice
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Ahh right. I remember reading that

heady spear
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and he was like "oh but then u can't have my code bcuz license breach!!!"

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and RIP bukkit

fast solstice
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So he did it to screw over bukkit?

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Sorry

heady spear
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No

fast solstice
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Mojang

heady spear
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Mojang did.

heavy rapids
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mojang did

worn ember
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Mojang big gea

heavy rapids
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if the contributors are not told that they're producing IP for a company

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I would DMCA it asap, as well

wide chasm
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Same here

worn ember
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IP?

fast solstice
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But hasn't bukkit always been opensource?

heavy rapids
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intellectual property

heady spear
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They got the rights to Bukkit when they hired Dinnerbone and the other dude that no one cares about

worn ember
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ah

wide chasm
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Bukkit is open source, yes.

heavy rapids
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grum?

pulsar wigeon
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rip evilseph and grum

fast solstice
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So how can they suddenly make it propriatory code?

heady spear
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Dinnerbone is bae the others one r like ?

worn ember
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Wait, they hired dinnerbone to get rights to bukkit?

pulsar wigeon
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they hired 4 main bukkit devs iirc?

heady spear
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Bukkit distributed code with a license that isn't compatible with the Bukkit lecense

wide chasm
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You have to tell contributors to sign something that says you can use the code they contribute. That didn't exist, so they said, "hey this is ours"

worn ember
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lol thats new to me

heady spear
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it was news to everyone at the time too lol

heavy rapids
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bukkit's GPL license always was kinda strange, I mean, they built on NMS so they couldn't really fulfill the GPL anyways (not a lawyer)

heady spear
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jeb just whipped it out in a random twitter statement

ancient bolt
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this conversation is not accurate

pulsar wigeon
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bukkit's isn't

heady spear
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then dinnerbone said he'd personally update bukkit

pulsar wigeon
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bukkit is an api

heady spear
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but never did

pulsar wigeon
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it's not built on nms code at all

ancient bolt
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bukkit was owned by mojang not because of nms, but because mojang purchased it

pulsar wigeon
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bukkit can totally be GPL

ancient bolt
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but no one was informed

heady spear
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that's what we said tho?

pulsar wigeon
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yes, DW, that's what city said

heavy rapids
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yeah

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you know what I mean

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CB

ancient bolt
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that's not what I read

fast solstice
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So let me just get this straight.... The devs of bukkit didn't know they coded for Mojang, and Mojang owned the code, so the devs told Bukkit they couldn't use the code they had made anymore, and hence, screwed over Mojang and Bukkit as a whole?

ancient bolt
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anyways going to work

heady spear
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Anyway, Dinnerbone said he'd update Bukkit and he didn't so like fu DB

wide chasm
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Yeah that sounds about right

heady spear
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basically "if bukkit goes down I'll personally do it!!! we r good guys"

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meanwhile 5 years later

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where the fuck is my bukkit update? 😠

heavy rapids
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well craftbukkit's still there

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just not by DB

worn ember
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i still know people that use bukkit xD

wide chasm
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I don't think brigadier has received any updates either the last x months, seems like he does this often 😉

heady spear
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Bukkit hasn't been updated since, has it?

heavy rapids
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it has, but by md5

pulsar wigeon
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why would brig need updates

heady spear
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Ye, so not by Bukkit

heavy rapids
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yeah

heady spear
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no official updates

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so he lied

heavy rapids
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yeah

heady spear
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let's throw pineapples at him

heavy rapids
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DB didn't do shit for bukkit

pulsar wigeon
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mmm pineapples

worn ember
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riot

heavy rapids
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(after that mess)

pulsar wigeon
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no one did shit for bukkit after that mess

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bukkit died 🙃

heady spear
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v dead

worn ember
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Who takin care of mah farm. I really loved that farm

pulsar wigeon
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well, was murdered tbh

heady spear
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people still use the forums tho

heavy rapids
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except those people uploading to DBO in 2016

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👌

wide chasm
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I still upload to DBO in 2019

fast solstice
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But why?

heavy rapids
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well, it has good SEO

heady spear
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I update PlotSquared on there so that people using weird server panels get access to the plugin

fast solstice
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I mean, what interest does Mojang have in doing anything but run the thriving community?

wide chasm
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DBO is better than Spigot's resource section tbh.

worn ember
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man stop using so many abreviations

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i cant google all this shit xD

wide chasm
heady spear
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I didn't for 3 years tho so lol poor those people

heavy rapids
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mojang has an interest in $$$

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for that they need sales

worn ember
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doesnt anyone

fast solstice
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But Minecraft wouldnt be what it is without Bukkit

finite wave
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I have an interest in $$$

heavy rapids
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for that they don't need bukkit :D

fast solstice
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It would have died a long time agoo

heady spear
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lol no

finite wave
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Nah

heavy rapids
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nah not really

finite wave
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There are other tools

heavy rapids
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server community would have, maybe

acoustic pilot
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You can't kill an open source project like Bukkit.

heady spear
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minecraft would be just fine without modded java multiplayer

heavy rapids
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but minecraft as a whole? no

worn ember
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modding would jsut be bigger

acoustic pilot
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Bukkit's GPL license is valid.

finite wave
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Bukkit is just the popular server community software atm

heady spear
#

There's also bedrock multiplayer

acoustic pilot
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CraftBukkit's LGPL license is/was invalid.

fast solstice
#

You seriously think minecraft would be as big without the modded community?

worn ember
#

who plays that tho

wide chasm
#

There's also Realms laughs

heady spear
#

without the modded server community? kinda

heavy rapids
#

freddy, mods != bukkit

heady spear
#

without mods at all? kinda

worn ember
#

its still modified code

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so still modding

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

pulsar wigeon
#

yea if bukkit wasn't a thing something else would take its place

heavy rapids
#

yeah

pulsar wigeon
#

tbh

heavy rapids
#

but modding works without bukkit.

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so bukkit not existing wouldn't kill modding.

acoustic pilot
#

Something else did take its place during all of that uncertainty

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It's called Sponge.

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It took years to develop

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It rose from the ashes of Bukkit

pulsar wigeon
#

i mean back in 2011

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when hmod died

worn ember
#

modding is just a general term. it just refers to modification lol

wide chasm
#

Sponge is great

heady spear
#

Yes Sponge is 100% representative of the community

heavy rapids
#

like, I have no idea

heady spear
#

everyone uses sponge

pulsar wigeon
#

lul

heavy rapids
#

but is sponge actually being used by many ppl

heady spear
#

except for the fact that no one uses sponge

heavy rapids
#

^

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lol

wide chasm
#

I wish more people did

acoustic pilot
#

Sponge is being used by every modded server.

pulsar wigeon
#

no it's not

acoustic pilot
#

Besides trashy 1.7.10 ones

pulsar wigeon
#

plenty of modded servers get by with just forge

fast solstice
#

I love Sponge, Spigot just has more plugins to offer, more people involved in Spigot

pulsar wigeon
#

and did for years

heavy rapids
#

gimme a compat layer for bukkit API & a conversion guide on how to do plugins on sponge

heady spear
#

I don't mind Sponge, I just wouldn't release anything for Sponge atm because it'd be used by 3 people and a drunk llama

heavy rapids
#

also paper performance or better

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then I'll check it out :D

acoustic pilot
#

Running a modded server on Forge is like running a server on Spigot instead of Paper.

worn ember
#

bigger market on spigot to make $$$

acoustic pilot
#

It's just stupid as fuck.

pulsar wigeon
#

not really byte

acoustic pilot
#

You use Sponge because it offers all those extra juicy things

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Including performance fixes

pulsar wigeon
#

like what?

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eh

acoustic pilot
#

You kidding? sponge comes with a bunch of performance mixins

fast solstice
#

And Sponge is easier to code for. Better API, or?

acoustic pilot
#

It's like using Spigot when you could be using Paper.

pulsar wigeon
#

there are things like foamfix and such though

acoustic pilot
#

So yes, using Forge instead of Sponge is pretty stupid.

pulsar wigeon
#

also historically

heavy rapids
#

Things sponge needs to do before I would consider using it:

Bukkit API compat
Performance like paper or better
Guide on migrating from Bukkit API to sponge

pulsar wigeon
#

like sponge only has a 1.12 userbase

heavy rapids
#

dunno which of those are there

pulsar wigeon
#

no one is running sponge on older shit

#

lordkorea

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1 and 3 are

worn ember
#

they cant add bukkit compat lol

acoustic pilot
#

No shit, I just said modded servers

pulsar wigeon
#

retardedly mutually exclusive

worn ember
#

their system is completely different

acoustic pilot
#

That's 1.12.2 and 1.7.10

heavy rapids
#

wiz, not quite

wide chasm
#

I wouldn't want Bukkit compat for Sponge tbh

fallen oracle
#

Sponge is great

heavy rapids
#

like api-version: 1.13

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1.12 still runs

worn ember
#

Sponge is nice

heavy rapids
#

it's just deprecated.

pulsar wigeon
#

no one wants bukkit compat for sponge

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only dumb ppl

heavy rapids
#

well then I'm dumb

pulsar wigeon
#

and we dont care about dumb ppl

acoustic pilot
#

Yes compatibility is stupid

heavy rapids
#

well then I'll stick to paper

worn ember
#

we should gas the people below 80IQ

pulsar wigeon
#

slow down there hitler

heady spear
#

Sponge isn't worthwhile considering I want my plugins to be used by more than 3 people, so I'll stick to releasing shit for Spigot exclusively

pulsar wigeon
#

you first

heavy rapids
#

this would kill everyone php

worn ember
#

lmao

fast solstice
#

Why? You need 79 in IQ to open a door, their lifes are already miserable :P

acoustic pilot
#

Sponge is objectively better software with a smaller audience, but it is better nonetheless.

fallen oracle
#

Ez solution, just make your plugin download paper and replace their spigot jar

heady spear
#

not that anyone uses my plugins to begin with

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but oh well

heavy rapids
#

pretty sure dogs can open doors and don't have 79 IQ

pulsar wigeon
#

"objectively better"

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"objectively"

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byte i never thought i'd have to say this

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but you're retarded

heady spear
#

guys plz download p² to feed my ego

acoustic pilot
#

You've said this countless times moron.

fast solstice
#

Thats what i've heard and understand as well @acoustic pilot. It is better, in many ways, but far less people involved, hence not being used as much

pulsar wigeon
#

that's not how "objective" works

worn ember
#

🍿

limber knotBOT
#

am I too late for shitting on sponge?

heavy rapids
#

is r/discorddrama a thing?

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anyways

#

no mini

acoustic pilot
#

I will admit Sponge lacks in some areas that are not so objective, but as an API it is hands down superior.

heavy rapids
#

we appreciate your input

limber knotBOT
#

or is this discussion optional? 😂

fallen oracle
#

@fast solstice my dude, I need more movie suggestions. I loved the last one.

wide chasm
#

Yes

heady spear
#

digger is lame

pulsar wigeon
#

yea, if you want to write 3 lines of code to change a single property on any object

worn ember
#

oof

pulsar wigeon
#

then sponge is great

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🙃

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just an example obviously

fast solstice
#

@fallen oracle O.ooo.. Following up perks is a hard one.

limber knotBOT
#

see, am in office and it 35C, I couldn#t think of a better joke

worn ember
#

just write a coremod and hack the nsa

pulsar wigeon
#

like i'm not advocating for bukkit's 🚮 api

fallen oracle
#

Ikr

heady spear
#

Sponge is great as it gives you an excuse to not release updates for years

heavy rapids
#

rip mini

pulsar wigeon
#

but objective has a very clear definition

heavy rapids
#

37°C here

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me melting

pulsar wigeon
#

and "sponge is objectively better" is retarded

heady spear
#

If they're stuck on the same major minecraft version for ages then I don't need to update my shit

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= yay

acoustic pilot
#

Yes, it is. There isn't a better API out there right now

worn ember
#

still think global warming is a joke?

acoustic pilot
#

Bukkit is trash.

limber knotBOT
#

bukkit has become trash*

acoustic pilot
#

Seriously, name a better Minecraft API out there right now than Sponge API?

limber knotBOT
#

bukkits main issue is that it doesn't adapt

acoustic pilot
#

I still stand by it: Sponge's API is objectively the best right now.

heavy rapids
#

command functions

fast solstice
#

@fallen oracle I would have to say "The last castle", if you havnt seen it, one of my all-time favorites

heady spear
#

cuberite 😄

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cuberite > sponge

worn ember
#

I tried developing plugins for sponge

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but i got confused so gave up xD

heady spear
#

aj löv lua

pulsar wigeon
#

hey there we go

#

a reason sponge api isn't "objectively" better

limber knotBOT
#

see, am a simple man

fallen oracle
#

I'll check it out

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Is it on Netflix or what

limber knotBOT
#

I go to bstats, I look at servers (current/record), I see 879/1042, I close my case

heady spear
#

look great documentation yay

limber knotBOT
#

meanwhile spigot has 81k servers

acoustic pilot
#

MinIDigger: Bukkit has a lot of issues. At this stage of its life, most of those issues can be traced back to one idiot.

worn ember
#

so you're saying windows is superior to linux because more people use it?

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i rest my case

fast solstice
#

@fallen oracle Don't use Netflix :P So no idea :D Plex FTW

limber knotBOT
#

well, 16k of those are paper

fast solstice
#

"Shutter Island" is also exceptionally good

wide chasm
#

Sponge lacks in amount of servers running it, but I'd choose its API over Bukkit any day

acoustic pilot
#

Not that it wasn't a steaming pile of crap before that.

heady spear
#

Linux has more users doesn't it?

worn ember
#

Bots dont count

acoustic pilot
#

Certainly Bukkit was a step up from hMod 😉

pulsar wigeon
#

wow stefvan, almost like it's a matter of opinion

limber knotBOT
#

linux desktop is a meme

#

change my mind

worn ember
#

No.

ebon root
#

DOes anyone here have salesforce ?

heavy rapids
#

can second that Shutter Island is great

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definitely watch it

fast solstice
#

@wide chasm Same....

worn ember
#

is it a series about shutter stock images?

wide chasm
#

@pulsar wigeon I didn't say Sponge is bojectively better though?

heady spear
#

guyyyys don't exclude cuberite

pulsar wigeon
#

i never said you did

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byte did

worn ember
#

concrete 👀

pulsar wigeon
#

and i've been trying to say the whole time that that's not how the word "objective" works

limber knotBOT
#

clearly pocketmine is the best minecraft server impl

acoustic pilot
#

Yep, Sponge's API is objectively better. Everything out there right now is trash 😃

heavy rapids
#

minecraft mod for minetest or bust

heady spear
pulsar wigeon
#

i'm going back to using llamacraft

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🙃

fallen oracle
#

Ahh yeah it's on Netflix

heady spear
#

@worn ember feels like you'd like that website tbh

worn ember
#

ok what the fuck

limber knotBOT
#

holy fuck

worn ember
#

no

acoustic pilot
#

Every Minecraft server API right now is absolute garbage compared to Sponge's API I'm able to confidently say that it's objectively better @pulsar wigeon 😃

worn ember
#

that looks horrible lmfao

heavy rapids
#

that's not objective

limber knotBOT
#

sponge has a good plugin website

heavy rapids
#

ffs

fast solstice
#

@fallen oracle Its like perks, strong story and "message" behind it

limber knotBOT
#

ore is great

heady spear
#

they even have worldedit

upper flicker
#

Objectively is the new literally wiz

worn ember
#

theres no way a tile system is better than a regular list for this xD

acoustic pilot
#

Indeed

upper flicker
#

Just eat some tacos and go on with your day

acoustic pilot
#

I just love that it's so easy lol

pulsar wigeon
#

give me tacos then

fallen oracle
#

Awesome

heady spear
fast solstice
#

You have tacos?

upper flicker
#

no get your own

worn ember
#

@upper flicker taco's gave me the amazing power of shitposting

heavy rapids
#

@worn ember is your name like a communist version of phpMyAdmin

heady spear
#

this is such a great wbesite

pulsar wigeon
#

FU :<

limber knotBOT
#

we live in a post factual world guys, everybody opinion is right

worn ember
#

@heavy rapids yes

heavy rapids
#

nice keep up the good work

acoustic pilot
#

It's like pissing in his cereal 😄

fast solstice
#

So what you're saying is "Struggle getting tacos, then eat them, then get on with your day" ?

acoustic pilot
#

He can't help but respond to it

pulsar wigeon
heady spear
#

cuberite doesn't seen to have a plot plugin

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I give it 3/10

worn ember
#

i think if you ever stepped on wiz his lawn he'd shoot you with a .50

pulsar wigeon
#

🙃

heavy rapids
#

city p² port when

heady spear
#

wiz is just upset because the dude made a superior version of WorldEdit

acoustic pilot
#

true

heady spear
#

no plot generation

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it sux

limber knotBOT
#

whats worldedit? isn't that the old school voxel sniper?

acoustic pilot
#

jealous because jesse is objectively superior

heavy rapids
#

city pls port p² to cuberite

acoustic pilot
#

^_^

limber knotBOT
#

😂

heady spear
#

but also whoever decided that there should be 4 line breaks between every method needs help

pulsar wigeon
#

5

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5 line breaks, city

heady spear
#

"ItS eAsiEr To rEaD"

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oh that's better

heavy rapids
#

what the heck

heady spear
#

5 > 4 so clearly it's gooder

pulsar wigeon
#

objectively, even

heavy rapids
#

I understand the tabs vs spaces debate

worn ember
#

java devs: REEE MY VERTICAL SPACE

heavy rapids
#

but the 5 newlines vs non-retarded code

heady spear
#

it's in the cuberite code style specification lol

heavy rapids
#

i don't understand that.

fast solstice
#

I sort of agree..

It is much easier to read, much more convenient.

Wouldn't you say?

heady spear
#

they will reject code that doesn't have the correct number of line breaks :))

heavy rapids
#

freddy pls no

fast solstice
#

:P

heavy rapids
#

·P

static badge
#

what cancer I have I missed

limber knotBOT
#

thank god irc strips newlines 😂

heavy rapids
#

sponge bashing

wide chasm
#

Tbh, could just do a commit to fix missing 5 line breaks

static badge
#

oh sponge bashing

heady spear
pulsar wigeon
#

it's brain cancer in your last brain cell leaf

worn ember
#

bash me daddy 💦

heady spear
#

guys this is the specification

static badge
#

wiz ur brain cancer

pulsar wigeon
#

if you're lucky, the tumor will grow more brain cells for you :^)

acoustic pilot
#

the tumor IS your brain cells

static badge
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byte ur literally a tumor u fuking weeb

worn ember
#

if ur lucky you'll get hit by a truck before the cancer gets you

heady spear
#

Keep individual functions spaced out by 5 empty lines, this enhances readability and makes navigation in the source file easier.

acoustic pilot
#

weebs are the good kind of benign tumor though

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they go away

static badge
#

the true crime

worn ember
#

weeb tumors are easy to get rid of. All you need is a flamethrower and earplugs to not hear the screaming

static badge
#

All case statements inside a switch need an extra indent

worn ember
#

sceams in weeb

wide chasm
#

Yes

heavy rapids
#

I just read the style guide of cuberite

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gotta puke brb

heady spear
#

#

why the fuck would he start the file with 5 empty lines tho

acoustic pilot
#

I hate Lua

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For really one simple reason.

worn ember
#

i was reading that an was like "hmm that looks like lua" guess i was right xD

heady spear
#

like literally why

#

help

acoustic pilot
#

I hate that most of them have adopted 1-indexed arrays

heady spear
#

he starts and ends the file with 5 empty lines

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so

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like

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a single statement would require 11 lines

worn ember
#

@acoustic pilot oh yeah i hate that

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like why

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stop wasting numbers

acoustic pilot
#

Because it's easier on the people with no programming background

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Lua was meant to be a very high level scripting language

heady spear
#

tbf even in mathematics you'll get debates whether you should index from 0 or 1

acoustic pilot
#

That's easily accessible

worn ember
#

yeah well its not that hard to start counting at 0 instead of 1

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dense mofo's

heady spear
#

as long as you make it clear what you've chosen it's fine

heavy rapids
#

I remember a lecture where we discussed with the prof if 0 \in \mathbb{N}

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he said no

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we said heresy

fallen oracle
#

What's up people

fast solstice
#

Well, in reality none of you have the answer, this is all based on preferences 🤣

worn ember
#

city's pp when he sees me

heady spear
#

Well, how would you count to 0?

fallen oracle
#

Oh wait, I already talked here

heavy rapids
#

0

#

done

heady spear
#

That's not counting to 0 lol

heavy rapids
#

what's counting to 1 in your opinion

worn ember
#

"How do you count to 0"
"Yes"

#

ez

finite wave
#

-1, 0

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3, 2, 1, 0

wide chasm
#

Let's all count in base isqrt(2) thanks

fast solstice
#

But @heady spear, with that logic.. How do you count to 1?

heady spear
#

Every other natural number can be represented by the cardinality of a set of objects

finite wave
#

@fast solstice In that logic how do you count?

heavy rapids
#

uh

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the empty set?

heady spear
#

having 0 of something doesn't make any sense

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then you don't have the thing to begin with

acoustic pilot
#

use ur fingers, obv

wide chasm
#

I have no money makes perfect sense to me

heady spear
#

having no money = not having money, not having 0 money

heavy rapids
#

|Ø| = 0

acoustic pilot
#

cut off all ur fingers then you can count to 0

heavy rapids
#

so there's a set with cardinality 0

worn ember
#

@heady spear do you like imaginary numbers?

wide chasm
#

If I have no money, I have 0$ or whatever currency you want.

heady spear
#

set of objects

#

of objects

heavy rapids
#

how much is 0$ in €

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pls tell

fast solstice
#

50

wide chasm
#

-42

acoustic pilot
#

1000 cuz welfare

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^_^

heavy rapids
#

meh, 0 \in \mathbb{N}.

fast solstice
#

LOL

#

HAHAHAHA Byte

heavy rapids
#

oof

#

€1k welfare

#

might need to move

heady spear
#

Either way, the natural numbers are dumb. Just use a specified subset of the integers instead 😛

heavy rapids
#

here it's like €550

fast solstice
#

Most countries you only get that much the first year or two after you loose your job

acoustic pilot
#

Talk to @heady spear

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He's practically a socialist now

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^_^

heady spear
#

welfare here is over €1000

fast solstice
#

If you dont get back on your feet by then, then you get a different kind of welfare, and the sum drastically reduces

heavy rapids
#

brb gonna move to sweden

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on an unrelated note

heady spear
#

you earn more by not working than you do as a student

acoustic pilot
#

Swedish immigration is also VERY friendly

heavy rapids
#

what's the current temperature in sweden

heady spear
#

which is funny

fast solstice
#

It's Scandinavia i'm talking about right now :P

worn ember
#

if it takes you 2 year to get a job u just dont want to work

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

acoustic pilot
#

If you can prove basic income in Sweden, you can live there.

heady spear
#

Swedish immigration is not very friendly lol

#

getting a citizenship here is hard

acoustic pilot
#

It is

#

Residency is easy

heavy rapids
#

I'll just flex my EU and move

acoustic pilot
#

Citizenship isn't important for most people, residency and legal ability to work is

heady spear
#

Residency ye, but then you don't qualify for most safety net features 😛

fast solstice
#

PhpOur; exactly, which is why the welfare reduces by roughly 70%

heavy rapids
#

oof

heady spear
#

you're basically only half a citizen

worn ember
#

i wish it would be like that here

heady spear
#

just marry someone

heavy rapids
#

city do you want to marry me

acoustic pilot
#

And you'd still walk away with more benefits than in say, the US lol

heady spear
#

sorry have already promised to marry Z

acoustic pilot
#

Even with only "half" citizen status

heavy rapids
#

is polygamy allowed in sweden

heady spear
#

If you're a refugee you'll get access to most monies

#

as a non-refugee immigrant you'll get way less

acoustic pilot
#

Even in Korea, foreigners have access to the national services like healthcare

fast solstice
#

Residency gives the exact same rights, except you can't vote

acoustic pilot
#

I'm sure it's the same way in Sweden

worn ember
#

does NK even take refugees?

acoustic pilot
#

LOL

heavy rapids
#

they take ||out|| refugees.

heady spear
#

I'm sure they wouldn't mind more people

#

you just can't leave ever again

acoustic pilot
#

You can

#

Just don't die on the way out

wide chasm
#

"Mind your step"

heady spear
#

even if you make it out alive you might die a bit later

acoustic pilot
#

Well yeah

worn ember
#

@wide chasm more like "mined your step" blows up

acoustic pilot
#

Don't let the door kick your ass on the way out

fast solstice
#

But why Sweden? Who here is from Sweden?

#

Filled with dumb people

heady spear
#

just by happenstance

wide chasm
#

City is Swedish

heady spear
#

Yes Sweden is so dumb?

acoustic pilot
#

Damn socialists

#

And their free healthcare

fast solstice
#

They are... Danish, with a potao shoved down their neck is way smarter

heady spear
#

and free education

acoustic pilot
#

And cheap/free education 😦

heady spear
#

fuck free education

finite wave
#

Hm

fast solstice
#

Not cheap, free.. But it's like that in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland.. Scandinvia as a whole

heavy rapids
#

fcuk speiling

finite wave
#

I get free stuff

heavy rapids
#

what's the temperature in sweden rn

limber knotBOT
#

wahts a speling

heady spear
#

Finland isn't in Scandinavia you dumb fuck

heavy rapids
#

anything below 30°C will get me moving

finite wave
#

“A hole”

#

Lol

heady spear
#

Why the fuck did you include Finland in your list of Scandinavian countries?

limber knotBOT
#

england is my favourite part of mainland europe

wide chasm
#

It's ~22 C here right now

heady spear
#

You need some of our free education

worn ember
#

its 22°C here rn

heavy rapids
#

oof

worn ember
#

oof

heavy rapids
#

22°C

#

me want

fast solstice
#

No, it's not, not officially, but it is considered to be by us locals :P

heavy rapids
#

35°C inside rn

finite wave
#

22 here

heavy rapids
#

kms

#

I need AC

heady spear
#

It's not?

finite wave
worn ember
#

that was yesterday lol

heady spear
#

No one considers Finland to be a part of Scandinavia

acoustic pilot
#

Norway is a pretty crazy country, +20k more in GDP per capita than the US, whilst still having so many social services, higher taxes and a higher level of happiness among their population.

heady spear
#

what the fuck are you on about?

fast solstice
#

Thats pure utter bullshit

heavy rapids
#

no way.

fast solstice
#

All people do here is fucking complain

#

They live for it

finite wave
#

Like you

heady spear
#

...? Scandinavia is a geographic region my dude

wide chasm
#

Since when is Finland not a part of Scandinavia?

heady spear
#

It's a nordic country, not a scandinavian country.

worn ember
#

Since City weeb his opinion differs

fast solstice
#

Finland and Iceland is part of the "Nordic....

#

Yeah

heady spear
#

Scandinavia is Denmark, Sweden and Norway.

wide chasm
#

I've been lied to

fast solstice
#

The kings of the world

limber knotBOT
#

U are dumb cityweebstret

finite wave
#

Hot hot

wide chasm
#

Thanks elementary school

heady spear
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The Nordic countries includes Iceland and Finland

fast solstice
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See City

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Your danish

acoustic pilot
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As per 2019 Happiness Report, Finland is the happiest country in the world, with Denmark, Norway, Iceland, and the Netherlands holding the next top positions.

heady spear
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and also all of the extra regions, like Greenland, the Faroe Islands etc

fast solstice
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A swedish person wouldnt know this crap

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:P

finite wave
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No he is not

acoustic pilot
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Norway is 3rd happiest country in the world in 2019 so far

heavy rapids
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what about sealand.

finite wave
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I’m danish i couldn’t care less

fast solstice
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Svalbard?

limber knotBOT
heady spear
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Svalbard is close enough to Norway that we consider it a real part of Norway

fast solstice
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@finite wave Realize know you where the danish one.. Which doesn't explain all the stupid comments :(

finite wave
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mf678 stfu

limber knotBOT
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and also people who didn't ever bother to look up the differeence

heavy rapids
limber knotBOT
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germans too md678685

worn ember
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can we nuke russia yet?

limber knotBOT
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s/difereence/difference (like me)

wide chasm
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I blame my elementary teacher for telling me that scandinavia is nordic countries

fast solstice
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They are

acoustic pilot
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should just nuke Sweden

wide chasm
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Yeah, but not all

limber knotBOT
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you know what nevermind I cna't spelk

heady spear
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Scandinavia is a subset of the nordic countries

wide chasm
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You know what I mean

fast solstice
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But where are you from?

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The US?

wide chasm
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Netherlands

fast solstice
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Would explain a lot :P

finite wave
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You guy are annoying

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Guys

worn ember
heavy rapids
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help

finite wave
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Hm

heavy rapids
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what was that

wide chasm
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IRC never forgets

worn ember
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lol

limber knotBOT
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everyone: talks about geography

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jan: "guys stfu why are you having DiScUsSiOnSsSs"

fast solstice
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:P

finite wave
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Yes

worn ember
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all jan does is post edgy memes

heady spear
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stop bullying Jan

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jan is cool

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we like jan

limber knotBOT
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no we don't

worn ember
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(no we dont)

fast solstice
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Jan Banan

finite wave
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Geography is annoying

limber knotBOT
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s/Geography/Jan

heady spear
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Jan only wants to discuss alcohol

worn ember
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just use google maps lul

limber knotBOT
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Correction, <DiscordBot> <03J​an​> Jan is annoying

finite wave
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Hmm

heady spear
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Should I pay rent or get a new monitor?

acoustic pilot
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monitor

fast solstice
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New monitor

acoustic pilot
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government will prob cut u a check for rent any way

limber knotBOT
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buy a monitor to pay your rent

finite wave
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Buy monitor and sell it for more than you purchased it for

heady spear
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I wish, my student financing application has been pending for over a month now

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I have to do actual work for money atm

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it sucks

acoustic pilot
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Unacceptable

worn ember
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city too retarded to work 😉

heady spear
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which also means I'm currently not getting paid to read books about zoos

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which is dumb

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Yes Dark I'm sure that's it

wide chasm
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Make ZooSquared and I'll donate money

fast solstice
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"I have to actually work atm for money"..... lol :P

heady spear
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What kind of work were you doing? I forgot

fast solstice
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But student financing. Do you actually get that money?

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Isn't it called a "Student loan" ?

wide chasm
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No?

heady spear
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Well, a third is not a part of the loan

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the other 2/3 have to be repaid, yes.

fast solstice
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Right, same here

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Everything is free from 1st to 10th grade

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After that it's more a loan

wide chasm
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11th and 12th grade are high school, right?

fast solstice
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Well, not free... You pay taxes the rest of your life so.

heady spear
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from first through 12th grade we get paid

fast solstice
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No, i dont think so

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1-7 is child school or whatever

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8-10 is high-scool

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I think?