general

[limber knot]

https://papermc.io/downloads

also if you don't know how to get it then the latest development builds are not for you to use it...

[inland fiber]

Which site?

Oh ok

[austere ivy]

Which site?

[strange bane]

"yivesmirror"

[inland fiber]

@phoenix616 Why you're mad because i'm downloading the jar from other site?

[wide hazel]

I'm 99% sure the only one who's looked at 1.14.2 right now is @static badge

so.. Grain of salt

[inland fiber]

illegal then sue the site

Don't blame us

[limber knot]

@inland fiber because paper goes to great lengths providing a legal and safe solution to run the server

[wide hazel]

I actually trust leaf, but I don't trust one person to update Paper to a new version is all

[limber knot]

and any third party site might be distributing malicious software

[wide hazel]

never update without a backup

[inland fiber]

I see

[austere ivy]

Egg you trust leaf?

[limber knot]

also sharing any kind of illegal/pirated links on discord risks any user and guild that allows that per their TOS

[wide hazel]

ehh, I trust his dev skills enough

[inland fiber]

"I trust his dev skills enough"

How do you know i'm a dev?

[wide hazel]

phoenix on his high-horse again

was talking about leaf

[inland fiber]

Ah

[limber knot]

my high-horse is called IRC!

runs

[wide hazel]

lol

[inland fiber]

@phoenix616 There's multiple sites providing the same thing.

[limber knot]

that doesnt mean it is legal

@inland fiber yes, and all aren't official or legal (in the US)

or that you won't get a virus

[wide hazel]

I generally trust Yive's mirror, although last I heard Yive had taken it down?

not sure if/why it has 1.14

[strange bane]

Well, hosting paper elsewhere is fine.

It doesn't really contain Minecraft server.

[austere ivy]

I never knew Yive was so popular, haha.

[limber knot]

@glacial sluice not if you distribute the build server and not paperclip

which the mentioned site is doing...

[wide hazel]

his claim to fame is as strong as anyone's here- he has a popular thing

[limber knot]

for whatever idiotic reason

[strange bane]

I thought Yive's was the paperclip?

[limber knot]

nope

[inland fiber]

If you type > PaperSpigot download

[limber knot]

@RedFox> If you type [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[austere ivy]

What popular thing?

[strange bane]

Why did he remove Spigot then?

[austere ivy]

What'd Yive make?

[inland fiber]

The first one would be Yive's site

[limber knot]

probably to promote paper?

[austere ivy]

I know he's staff on MineSuperior..

that's about it.

[wide hazel]

Yive's Mirror @austere ivy

[limber knot]

but I mean he is in this discord, could answer that himself ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere ivy]

.. is that popular?

[wide hazel]

indeed

[austere ivy]

It's just a mirror? Couldn't people just use papermc.io directly?

[inland fiber]

Then ask him to close the site since it's illegal ;)?

@ornate spindle

[wide hazel]

60% sure Ptero uses it, 90% sure the other popular MC panel does

[inland fiber]

• He's Canadian

So that means you can still sue that?

[wide hazel]

it's nice on bots

[inland fiber]

Since it's illegal

[wide hazel]

ohai Yive

long time no see

[inland fiber]

I don't see how it's illegal.

[austere ivy]

Is that what you need to do to get popular? O hec I'm making briansmirror now 👀

[ornate spindle]

the main purpose of my mirror is to mainly promote paper while also providing old builds of stuff

[limber knot]

@inland fiber please read how the US DMCA works and all related copyright agreements with different countries that the US has, then contact your lawyer to get it explained to you, after that we can talk about that more...

[wide hazel]

phoenix is partially blowing smoke out his ass 😛

partially

he's also partially correct

[limber knot]

I'm a phoenix after all...

[inland fiber]

@ornate spindle Keep it up man i support that. it helps me a lot

[ornate spindle]

the mirror is illegal, but nobody has DMCA'd it in the past nearly 5 years

[limber knot]

y u no use paperclip tho?

[wide hazel]

though you distributed paperclip @ornate spindle ?

I know the builds of Spigot were totally against DMCA

[limber knot]

@spare venture don't be ageist... it's not like that matters on the internet

[austere ivy]

OH YEAH.

I remember getting Spigot off of your mirror before I used BuildTools.

[ornate spindle]

nah I distribute the actual patched jar

[wide hazel]

huh, weird

[austere ivy]

Maybe that's where I knew you from before MS.

[wide hazel]

but why?

[old badge]

ngl Yive's mirror was the only way I knew how to get Spigot without using BuildTools

[distant crane]

https://i.gyazo.com/1c982f8578e3f62f8b653f7a0cba1681.png

[wide hazel]

could/probably should just redis the paperclip jar and be legal

[strange bane]

The patched jar is so similar in size to paperclip now. 😮

[limber knot]

i wasn't really trying to be ageist, i just doubt he has access to one at his age

[inland fiber]

@wheat quarry here's another guy

I didn't even know Paper without Yive's mirror

[limber knot]

barty: I don't see his age anywhere. I only see a username. Assuming a person's age is ageist

runs

[wide hazel]

yeah, 1.14 has performance issues. Welcome to this week.

[limber knot]

nah it's only ageist if they're old

[static badge]

this month really

[wide hazel]

yeah

[austere ivy]

When did 1.13 come out?

Ever since 1.13 come out, really.

[wide hazel]

1.13 had performance problems as well

I helped with some of them 😄

[austere ivy]

No kidding. I get 50-70 FPS on 1.12.2 and 10-20 on 1.13.2

Server side as well is bad but client is bad too.

[wide hazel]

and now I need to see what they did to the glory that is redstone 😦

[sonic kiln]

well spigot has 1.14.2 out anyone know if its performing better?

[wide hazel]

gory works, too

[austere ivy]

Why haven't they used eigen thing yet?

Eigen redstone or something?

[strange bane]

@sonic kiln 1.14.2 paper is kind of done.

[static badge]

apparently they dun fucked up redstone

[austere ivy]

I heard about that earlier.

[sonic kiln]

oh nice

[strange bane]

It's just waiting to be merged.

[wide hazel]

although it doesn't seem to break anything, it's not "vanilla"

[static badge]

not anymore

[strange bane]

Spotted can be thanked for updating it. 😄

[austere ivy]

How is it not vanilla?¿

[sonic kiln]

well I will wait for the real spigot "paper" to finish 😄

[wide hazel]

@static badge you got redstone or you want me to yet?

[static badge]

I did like 3 changes to fix compile stuff

they're labeled // TODO

never tested it either :>

[wide hazel]

lol

[static badge]

so it's all urs

[wide hazel]

oh good

thank fuck it's self-contained

[static badge]

not touching redstone

yeah thank god

[wide hazel]

just need to short-circuit the existing logic to redirect and done

[strange bane]

You and your redstone egg.

[austere ivy]

I'm pretty sure, yeah barty.

[wide hazel]

I never even like dredstone

[strange bane]

Everytime there's a redstone commit it's you. xD

[wide hazel]

it just became such a pain in the ass for me I decided to fix it

then kash pointed me in the direction

[cosmic raft]

;D

[wide hazel]

huge amounts of CPU wasted on redstone

we were dieing

[inland fiber]

Anyone used Spigot 1.14.2 and noticed any difference?

[static badge]

used paper .2 and didn't notice perf diffs

[wide hazel]

1.14.2 came out awfully quickly

[static badge]

not many changes were made

[wide hazel]

yeah

[static badge]

I still see mojang sync loading io

[inland fiber]

Not even with chunk loading?

[static badge]

etc

[wide hazel]

not the "fixed everything" update I would hope

[sonic kiln]

anyone know why EWG never works with paper spigot.. is it that hard to make it compatible with spigot or is he and md_5 in some kind of agreement

[austere ivy]

EWG?

[sonic kiln]

epicworldgen

[static badge]

well they didn't promise perf fixes

[wide hazel]

usually their .2 fixes most everything

[tardy lynx]

Wait so the chunk files are loaded from the disk sync?

[austere ivy]

Are we getting 1.14.9?

1.8.9..

[wide hazel]

probably not

let's hope 1.15 is a bugfix update

[austere ivy]

Perhaps 1.14.11, break the previous record of 1.7.10 👀

Performance + bugfix update..

Then again..

[wide hazel]

new features are great and all

[austere ivy]

That's what 1.13.2 was supposed to be.

[wide hazel]

but lord

[austere ivy]

And we all know how that turned out 👀

[wide hazel]

we need a bugfix update

1.13 was oceans

[austere ivy]

Originally a bugfix + performance update.

1.14 was supposed to be aquatic.

Then they merged it.

[sonic kiln]

oh paper 1.14.2 is updated 😄

[austere ivy]

:(

[inland fiber]

1.13 was awful

[austere ivy]

I just wish I could play past 1.12.2 haha

[wide hazel]

as always, please don't update without backing things up first

[inland fiber]

1.13.2 much better

[wide hazel]

1.12.2 was the best most-recent version

so far

[inland fiber]

True

[wide hazel]

though if you want to go "most stable" then mbax has 1.6... 4?

1.8 at least updated to netty

[tardy lynx]

netty was 1.7

[wide hazel]

after that Mojang went pretty steady with new features + enough fixes to hold things together

[tardy lynx]

1.7.5

[wide hazel]

what was 1.8 then? Multithreading?

might have been multithreading

1.7.10 can only use one core

mostly

[austere ivy]

1.8 was BAD.

[tardy lynx]

1.7.2 was netty

[old badge]

1.7.5 was in 2014?

[strange bane]

Oh, still no 1.14.2 waterfall?

[austere ivy]

http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1272953-optifine-hd-a4-fps-boost-hd-textures-aa-af-and?comment=43757

Good explanation from sp614x.

[tardy lynx]

What's the benefits of using netty over java.io?

[austere ivy]

1.8 was bad... 1.9 was bad in terms of controversy..

[old badge]

btw, rip minecraftforums

[austere ivy]

1.10-1.11-1.12 was kinda a blur.

But 1.12.2 is best.

[wide hazel]

better API

[austere ivy]

I can't run 1.13.2 though, haha.

OKAY I'm off to eat, egg what do you want?

[wide hazel]

over Notch's code? Everything. Performance, bug fixes, you name it

he re-invented the wheel for his network handling. Which was intentional. Also bad.

[austere ivy]

Egg want me to get anything for you?

[old badge]

he learned java programming while he was creating minecraft lol

[wide hazel]

yeah, MC wasn't supposed to be a huge hit like this

[austere ivy]

I'll get you some pizza, okay egg?

[wide hazel]

sooooo a lot of shit he did was terrible

[austere ivy]

I'll get you hawaiian

oki bai folks

[wide hazel]

hawaiian pizza is actually my favorite

sweet + sour, always good

[old badge]

yo changing the subject a bit. How do these free host providers (like minehut) make any money?

[wide hazel]

ads

and cheap boxes

[old badge]

ads in game?

[wide hazel]

and waaaayyyy too many servers per box

[limber knot]

possibly, yes

[old badge]

I wonder if that is a solid business plan

[wide hazel]

not usually

some make it

don't engage in confirmation bias

[limber knot]

tbh it's not much more work to build a real hosting provider with good quality rather than some shady free host

[wide hazel]

take a look at the failures before you think about starting a business

[limber knot]

because the software framework required is more or less the same for both

[wide hazel]

or survivor bias

take your pick really

[old badge]

oh don't worry I'm not planning anything

[wide hazel]

I host my own servers

'tis nice

got the box locked down about as best I can

with I could VPN into a private network to SSH in from there, but SSH keys are fine enough

otherwise, yeah

[inland fiber]

What’s the difference between Paper and Waterfall?

[wide hazel]

Waterfall is to BungeeCord what Paper is to Spigot

[stiff yarrow]

@spare venture here you go you dingus https://discord.gift/GXu85wbxnEBt2TyR

[static badge]

rolled

[old badge]

[wide hazel]

lol

[static badge]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/026/640/fastdrawe-ntry.jpg

[wide hazel]

I did, too 😛

[tardy lynx]

Who pays for mcmmo?

[wide hazel]

mcmmo is fantastic

well worth the price

Anti-VPN has a donations button 😦

[ancient bolt]

oh are we doing this again

[wide hazel]

lol

inb4 demon explodes general

I still have a donation link though 😢

[ancient bolt]

why would i explode general?

[limber knot]

1.14.2 still stutters when loading chunks ;_;

[old badge]

probably still a vanilla issue

and everyone will need to wait for .3

[sonic kiln]

ill wait for .3 for the fix so i can wait for .4 for the fix so i can wait for .5 for the fix

[ornate spindle]

I've already prepared for 1.14.3 https://i.tcpr.ca/U3LGyLW

[pulsar wigeon]

[wide hazel]

dunno if there'll be a .3

I hope so

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean

i would guesssssss

[ancient bolt]

that's like me releasing an eap version of intellij for an unreleased eap

[pulsar wigeon]

that since mojang said there would be, there will be

[ornate spindle]

they said there will be on the 1.14.2 release

[ancient bolt]

which I do do

[wide hazel]

one one hand, it's never really happened since 1.8

on the other

[old badge]

https://twitter.com/slicedlime/status/1132009883002445824

slicedlime (@slicedlime)

@UmptyMaDoo Yes, there will be a 1.14.3.

Twitter

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) @slicedlime (slicedlime): @UmptyMaDoo Yes, there will be a 1.14.3. (3 days and 4 hours ago)

[wide hazel]

reeeeaaaalllyyy could use it

[old badge]

they confirmed it

[wide hazel]

oh good

[ornate spindle]

1.9 had up to .4

[wide hazel]

right, yeah

was the only real exception

[ornate spindle]

I wonder if we'll see another .10

[wide hazel]

least the're not as averse to the number 3 as Valve is

https://giphy.com/gifs/sAldlACscVLlS

[ancient bolt]

but this one goes up to 11

[wide hazel]

if any version were gunning for a .10, it would be 1.14

[ornate spindle]

I miss when versions had _'s in them

[wide hazel]

I'm gonna place my bets at "they stop at 1.14.4" though

I've only been wrong almost every time

so hey

I'll put my future-predictors on and say .4

[ornate spindle]

I feel we'll likely get to .6 mainly because they will likely try to optimise stuff in 1.14.5, but break shit

[inland fiber]

Last one will be 1.14.4

So the number will be good

[wide hazel]

I feel like they'll give up after .4 and go "nah, we need a feature release now or we'll be outdated"

riding that new wave

[inland fiber]

Just like 1.12.2

[wide hazel]

1.15 will be the broken 1.14.5

[ornate spindle]

I still refuse to use any mc version past 1.12.2

[wide hazel]

^

all of my this

I can't this hard enough

[inland fiber]

With the new features i'm forced to update

It's nice

The only feature for me

is

FOX

[ornate spindle]

on my 1.12.2 client since july of last year https://i.tcpr.ca/mykULM4

[wide hazel]

when nobody can actually play on your server to actually use the features, though..

https://giphy.com/gifs/applemusic-dj-khaled-apple-music-3oKIPAmXjo8PPdVR7i

[inland fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/300481238773399553/574822926545846283/TartPassionateCrab-small.gif

[ornate spindle]

nobody wants a brain on drugs

[woven otter]

[wide hazel]

new features are nice. Being able to run the server in order to use said features is also nice

[inland fiber]

I do for now

[wide hazel]

1.13 might have just barely been worth it

1.14 is absolutely not

[ornate spindle]

you have no idea how bloody hard it is to get 1.12.2 towny to support 200 players at reasonable tps

[wide hazel]

^

[inland fiber]

But when your community is spamming for 1.14?

[ornate spindle]

they're not

[old badge]

the amount of servers that still run 1.8.8 is shocking
https://bstats.org/global/bukkit

[wide hazel]

here's what you do: put 1.14 on a box that's not running anything else

don't touch the server

[ornate spindle]

that is because 1.8.8 can support 1000 players with ease

[wide hazel]

let be an anarchy server

fuck the players and their stupid decisions

[inland fiber]

Lol true

[limber knot]

tbh the amount of servers already running 1.14 is shocking

[inland fiber]

But if it's a survival server?

[unreal quarry]

welp.. there goes my dynmap. it killed itself as soon as it saw 1.14.2, it didnt even try. it just noped on out of there.

[wide hazel]

I don't blame it

so did my plugins

then I made them work on 1.14

and now they're breaking even harder in weird special cases

because I deserved that

and they hate me now

[ornate spindle]

now that I think about it, dynmap is one of a kind, I don't think I've ever seen any plugin attempt to be an alternative to dynmap

[wide hazel]

because fuck frontend web development

same with Plan

totally would have made my own but hahahahahanop

[ornate spindle]

Plan is nice, but probably insanely intensive

[wide hazel]

anything that creates a website using Java isn't cheap

[unreal quarry]

plan was too hungry. i replaced it with prometheus + grafana

[austere ivy]

Egg what kind of pizza do you want?

[gloomy sphinx]

is there a point in creating a website using java

[limber knot]

I just use munin and pull in stuff manually from other sources ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere ivy]

@gloomy sphinx no, it's soon to be unsupported.

[ornate spindle]

it has a web server in it? oh god, thought it just uploaded stuff to a mysql or mongodb and a PHP panel was used for the web stuff

[old badge]

@ornate spindle Overviewer exists, https://overviewer.org/

[wide hazel]

it spins up a web server on a new port

[ornate spindle]

isn't a plugin as far as I know

[austere ivy]

EGG.

[wide hazel]

?

[austere ivy]

What kind of pizza do you like?

[clear portal]

appearantly 1.14.2 fixed chunk duping

[wide hazel]

pineapple/canadian bacon or chicken/BBQ

[austere ivy]

Hawaiian, meat supreme or whatever, blah blegh.

Pineapple on pizza is best.

[limber knot]

there are alternatives to Dynmap but most were just one-version projects that never got updated

[austere ivy]

Chicken/bbq is my sister's favorite.

[naive bloom]

I'm upgrading my production server to Spigot 1.14.2 right now, hopefully that goes well.

[austere ivy]

You have good taste >_>

[limber knot]

(alternatives that are plugins, not standalone rendering programs)

[wide hazel]

some would disagree

[inland fiber]

Looool 1.14.2 using more memory than 1.14.1

[austere ivy]

well I agree ;D

[inland fiber]

I HATE MOJANG.

[wide hazel]

why do people update the second a release hits?

[unreal quarry]

ram is meant to be used, fox

[wide hazel]

billy is right

[unreal quarry]

if its not being used its not doing its job

[limber knot]

because they want to test for us ;)

[ornate spindle]

@wide hazel I was 4 hours early with my 1.14.2 update lol

[austere ivy]

@unreal quarry

[wide hazel]

lol

[austere ivy]

I'd appreciate if Mojang keeps ram usage to a minimum v-v

[unreal quarry]

o_O

[old badge]

unused ram is wasted ram

[wide hazel]

buy a better box

[ornate spindle]

https://i.tcpr.ca/85BHP0u

[austere ivy]

Like sp614x said, they're using 10x more unnecessarily.

200mbs of objects created to be thrown away next tick.

When before it was 20 mb/s of objects.

[wide hazel]

@austere ivy Kimsufi KS-9 has 16GB EEC and is $20/mo

[unreal quarry]

get more ram, guys. seriously. i'm glad mojang pulled out all the stops when it comes to supporting potatos. now i get a better minecraft experience that isnt being held back by potatos

\o/

[austere ivy]

..

Billy where do I buy a better potato?

[gloomy sphinx]

but it makes my i9 9900k feel like a potato

[wide hazel]

KS-9 also has an SSD in RAID

slightly lacking in the CPU department, but the SSD + EEC RAM is totally worth the tradeoff

[limber knot]

only 240GB though

[austere ivy]

egg82, I'm talking about my computer.

And client.

Not server lol.

[wide hazel]

"only 240GB" - dafaq are you running?

[limber knot]

stuff

[austere ivy]

240gb ram or harddrive?

[limber knot]

:P

[wide hazel]

if you need SQL, get an SQL server form GCloud or AWS or something 😛

cheap

[limber knot]

but yeah, I guess if you backup to another box with a HDD and don't store stuff like overviewer renders I guess 240GB is generally enought for a couple of servers

[old badge]

SSDs are super cheap now

[unreal quarry]

SSDs are shit now

get a NVMe

[wide hazel]

$20/mo - SSDs, 16GB EEC, halfway-decent processor

[austere ivy]

Billy, NVMe is an SSD.

[wide hazel]

noooot quite

[unreal quarry]

its different

[austere ivy]

It's SATA vs NVMe, yeah?

[inland fiber]

Update:
Entity wise, 1.14.2 is much better

[gloomy sphinx]

nvme is an ssd

[ancient bolt]

SSDs are shit, NVMe instead...

[gloomy sphinx]

nvme is just the protocol

[ancient bolt]

NVMe is not a storage medium

[gloomy sphinx]

m.2 is the form factor

[austere ivy]

Yeah.. you're comparing NVMe and SATA.

SSD is just digital storage, HDD is a spinning disk.

[gloomy sphinx]

m.2 nvme ssd

solid state drive

[unreal quarry]

when you got 500GB of it it is @ancient bolt

[wide hazel]

yeah, it's SATA vs NVME essentially - more BUS speed. Though the NVMe drives themselves are a slightly different tech

[ancient bolt]

what

[gloomy sphinx]

nvme uses pci express

sata uses sata

[wide hazel]

yeah

[ancient bolt]

I have a 1TB NVMe and a 500 GB NVMe drive in my machine right now

[austere ivy]

That's like saying "stop getting computers, get laptops."

[unreal quarry]

i want NVMe in my desktop 😦 i'm still on HDD lol

my next build will have them

[austere ivy]

SSD vs HDD are the only real mediums you need to worry about.

SATA is worse than NVMe, sure yeah.

[wide hazel]

desktop Win 10 is totally fine with an SSD

[gloomy sphinx]

a regular sata ssd has a max speed of 500MB/s because of the sata port. a GOOD sata SSD won't slow down when it is full compared to a bad

[unreal quarry]

NVMe is faster than SSD @austere ivy

[austere ivy]

They're also MUCH more expensive.

[wide hazel]

no need to upgrade unles you have a laptop or are getting a server

[gloomy sphinx]

nvme is a ssd @unreal quarry

[austere ivy]

Billy, NVMe is an SSD.

[proud turret]

ope

[unreal quarry]

omg

[ancient bolt]

one of the reasons I got my motherboard was because it supports 2 NVMe drives out of the box, definitely glad I did

[gloomy sphinx]

www.asipartner.com
NVMe works with PCI Express (PCIe) to transfer data to and from SSDs. NVMe enables rapid storage in computer SSDs and is an improvement over older Hard Disk Drive (HDD) related interfaces such as SATA and SAS. ... NVMe enables a faster interface for leveraging the speeds that SSDs are capable of.```

[ancient bolt]

NVMe drives aren't much more expensive than STA...

[old badge]

There are some really cheap (and questionable) NVMes in AliExpress, I bought one legit Samsung 970 Evo from there from a much cheaper price (lot of taxes where I live)

[austere ivy]

.g nvme vs ssd

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM -- M.2 NVME vs SSD vs HDD Loading Windows and Games - YouTube: "Mar 21, 2019 ... M.2 NVME vs SSD vs HDD Win10 / Game Loading Times Samsung 970 EVO NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD https://goo.gl/7o1aCY Samsung 860 EVO ..."

[austere ivy]

[austere ivy]

That person's not very smart.

[gloomy sphinx]

the thing about nvme is that it also has much lower latency

[ancient bolt]

testing games

[austere ivy]

Ignore them.

[gloomy sphinx]

a good sata SSD is better than a cheap NVMe SSD

[unreal quarry]

you should see the video comparing the 3 against Windows 10 boot times

[wide hazel]

think that's it

[ancient bolt]

I'll take the least useful benchmark for $500

[unreal quarry]

its like 2 minutes for HDD, 1 minute for SSD and 6 seconds for NVMe

[austere ivy]

Billy.

You do realize NVMe is extremely expensive, ye?

[gloomy sphinx]

you mean

a sata ssd vs nvme ssd

[unreal quarry]

its not @austere ivy

[ancient bolt]

NVMe is not extremely expensive

as I said eariler

[wide hazel]

my Win 10 PC boots way faster than 1 minute on my EVOs

[unreal quarry]

the one i'm looking at is only $100

[austere ivy]

Then can you buy me some NVMes?

[gloomy sphinx]

nvme ssd's are so much cheaper now

[ancient bolt]

I have 2 of them in my machine right now

[austere ivy]

Yes, very expensive ._.

[ancient bolt]

$100

very expensive

oh right

you're 12

[austere ivy]

Correct, yes.

[wide hazel]

become a technical contractor

[austere ivy]

Actually 9 but yeah, a lot more expensive vs SATA.

[wide hazel]

baaaaaaaaaaaaannnnkk

[ancient bolt]

it's not even that much more t han sata

[unreal quarry]

i think my HDD is also $100

[old badge]

buy one from China :)
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20190527162053&SearchText=nvme+ssd
Much cheaper

[acoustic pilot]

My Win 10 boots in 20 seconds on an unimpressive SSD (850 EVO)

[wide hazel]

if you're the "I fix your fuckups" guy anyone pays whatever you ask

[acoustic pilot]

Dunno how shit your disk has to be to take 1 minute lol

[gloomy sphinx]

my old 950 pro nvme ssd's were expensive but they are good now

i think the price was $400

back then

but its like $120 now

[wide hazel]

@acoustic pilot whaddya know, I also have an 850 😛

[austere ivy]

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-500GB-Internal-MZ-76E500B-AM/dp/B0781Z7Y3S/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=samsung+ssd&qid=1559002903&s=gateway&sr=8-1

[wide hazel]

several

[austere ivy]

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-MZ-V7S500B/dp/B07M7Q21N7/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=samsung+500gb+nvme&qid=1559002911&s=gateway&sr=8-2

[wide hazel]

and several 860s

[ancient bolt]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M20VBU7 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OBRE5UE

[austere ivy]

77$ vs 125$

[old badge]

200$ for a 1TB Samsung 970 Evo on AliExpress

[austere ivy]

Wow huh it isn't that much of a difference.

[gloomy sphinx]

yeah but you also get 3X the performance with a nvme ssd

so it is worth it

this is for billy

[unreal quarry]

just be sure you get a real NVME, not an M.2

M.2 is slow

[gloomy sphinx]

dude

m.2 is a form factor

its the connector

U.2 and M.2

[unreal quarry]

theres a difference

[gloomy sphinx]

no there is not

literally nvme

[unreal quarry]

M.2 has an extra notch

[gloomy sphinx]

uses m.2

[acoustic pilot]

i'm still happy with SATA for now, am living frugal 😦

[gloomy sphinx]

every nvme ssd uses m.2

[unreal quarry]

theres a HUGE difference in performance

[austere ivy]

Billy, you're comparing SIZE with PROTOCOL and MEDIUM.

[gloomy sphinx]

HOW

[austere ivy]

There's a difference in PERFORMANCE yes.

[gloomy sphinx]

m.2

is

the nvme standor connector

[ancient bolt]

Hi Brian can you stop yelling

[austere ivy]

https://rog.asus.com/articles/hands-on/easy-guide-to-ssds-sata-msata-m-2-and-u-2/

[unreal quarry]

:/ its like talking to a wall

[austere ivy]

You know yeah I can, sorry about that.

[gloomy sphinx]

you need a m.2 ssd that takes advantage of the nvme protocol

[unreal quarry]

if you get an M.2 drive you are capping your throughput so its not getting full perf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJCHx7mZEKo

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) M.2 vs NVME: What's the difference? - length 9m 8s - 22,644 likes, 1,224 dislikes (94.9%) - 1,252,197 views - CareyHolzman on 2017.01.27

[unreal quarry]

this guy talks about it well

[gloomy sphinx]

No. Remember, M.2 is just the form factor. M.2 drives can come in SATA versions (like the Crucial MX500 M.2 for example) and NVMe versions (like the Samsung 970 Pro), which describes the bus they use to electrically communicate with the other PC components. SATA M.2 SSD drives and 2.5” SATA SSDs actually operate at virtually identical spec. NVMe M.2’s on the other hand, definitely do not, as we’re about to discuss.

its the form factor

oooh

that is the old

An M.2 drive is simply a term to describe the physical form factor of a drive. ... An M.2 drive is not faster just because of its form factor. It's just usually the case that M.2 drives use the NVMe protocol because they already connect via PCI-E

yeah

all my samsung evos are m.2

[golden gust]

😮

[austere ivy]

?¿

anti-pattern?

[gloomy sphinx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555469074080202765/582725074310660143/17629809_1255876717860374_4361537676569529969_n.png?width=366&height=658

my photo even says m.2 right on the ssd

since it is a form factor

nvme <-- protocol ssd <-- memory state m.2 <-- form factor

[austere ivy]

Can I have some of those TCCs 👀

[void void]

Hey bois, I have a raid trigger event that works but atm it fires repeatedly bc player still retains his Bad Omen effect. Is that paper's business to remove the effect, or should we just let it fire over and over and let the plugin decide whether or not to remove the bad omen effect?

[austere ivy]

Correct, yes.

[void void]

I can move the call event so that it waits until after the bad omen is removed properly

But idk if that's desirable

[austere ivy]

NVMe is the protocol which uses PCI-E. SSD is the memory storage medium, it's either digital or HDD which is a spinning disk. m.2 is the size, the form factor.

[unreal quarry]

i was going to get some NVMe's for this PC i have now, but turns out the port isn't right. its the slower one (m.2), so i'd have to upgrade my mobo too. next PC build I'll be sure to get the better ports for NVMe

\o/

[gloomy sphinx]

there are multiple ports

[unreal quarry]

^

[gloomy sphinx]

so yes your mobo probably is m.2 over sata

[unreal quarry]

thats what i've been saying...

[gloomy sphinx]

not m.2 over nvme

but they are all m.2

except for msata

also that really sucks

who puts a m.2 with sata protocol but not nvme

you could get a m.2 to pci e card and stick it in that way

[unreal quarry]

there are common laymens terms for things. this subject is definitely one of them. when speaking in laymens NVMe is different from m.2 is different from SSD is different from SATA. you see this kind of laymens terminology/naming in a lot of technical things (especially USB here lately)

[austere ivy]

Tsk tsk.

[gloomy sphinx]

no they are all different

nvme is not m.2

[ancient bolt]

All I'll say about this

[gloomy sphinx]

nvme is literally a protocol

[austere ivy]

Billy where are you getting this information from?

What is your source?

[gloomy sphinx]

m.2 is not a protocol

[ancient bolt]

is my 1TB Samsung 960 Pro is bloody amazing

[austere ivy]

m.2 is a form factor.

[gloomy sphinx]

you sound like a dad who watched one video

[austere ivy]

HDDs can be m.2

wait

no

[unreal quarry]

stfu brian

:/

[ancient bolt]

Brian watch the video Billy linked above

it's really good and the host is really clear

[gloomy sphinx]

you know you are getting old when you say nvme m.2 ssd sata are all the same thing under one category

[austere ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opwON-7J_wI + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABlQz0ktd0

[gloomy sphinx]

lol

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) M.2 As Fast As Possible - length 6m 14s - 42,947 likes, 759 dislikes (98.3%) - 2,527,974 views - Techquickie on 2015.12.27

[austere ivy]

I dunno but this is my source.

[gloomy sphinx]

yeah thats a good video

i literally used to work with hardware and components for years

helped gigabyte with their x99 board development

[wide hazel]

you know you're supposed to LEAD with your credibility right? 😛

[unreal quarry]

@austere ivy watch the video i linked. its done by someone thats not a celebrity gimmick

[austere ivy]

,_,

[gloomy sphinx]

no

[austere ivy]

These guys have a huge giant warehouse of stuff

[gloomy sphinx]

the video you linked

linustehctips is legitimate

[ancient bolt]

linus is a hack

[unreal quarry]

^

[gloomy sphinx]

yeah server side

[austere ivy]

Maybe we should contact Samsung on this.

[gloomy sphinx]

but they are good on the hardware

[ancient bolt]

he says so much wrong shit constantly

[unreal quarry]

celebrity gimmick

[austere ivy]

I'm going to contact Samsung about this, and get the truth.

They're the makers of all this hardware so they'd know.

[void void]

afaik Samsung evo nvme drive

[ancient bolt]

you're the only one that doesn't know brian

[gloomy sphinx]

just go read what m.2 is lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2

[ancient bolt]

the rest of us are clear here

[void void]

is basically a super cheap nand + some trickery with ram cache etc.

[gloomy sphinx]

its a form factor

literally read the wiki on m.2

[void void]

getting a samsung evo nvme is pretty bad

[gloomy sphinx]

there you go

how?

the evo linup is great

[void void]

@gloomy sphinx very slow nand

in their evo nvme line up

it is fast for couple of GB

[gloomy sphinx]

where did you get that info from

[void void]

then drops performance to 200MBps

[austere ivy]

How on earth are there opinions for hardware!?

[gloomy sphinx]

samsung has some of the best nand flash

[void void]

I think it was ssdreviews

[austere ivy]

I don't understand this.

Art? Sure.

Philosophy? Sure.

[old badge]

wat @austere ivy

[austere ivy]

HARDWARE?? How are there differing opinions on something so set in stone, boggles my mind on how people will find the ability to disagree on ANYTHING

[crystal dagger]

I think y'all are honestly saying the same thing but in different terms

[gloomy sphinx]

we are just talking about how billy thinks m.2 is a protocl like nvme

i wonder what he thinks the form factor connector is called then?

[austere ivy]

Ah, great. Samsung has a live chat.

[gloomy sphinx]

In addition, there are two types of sockets for M.2: one with a "B key" and one with a "M key".

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Overview-of-M-2-SSDs-586/

pugent is great

they do a great job of explaining

rather than some shit indian video

this dude is literally a 70 year old version of linustechtips with incorrect facts off yahoo

even his logo is the same

[void void]

http://thessdreviewcdn2.thessdreview1.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Samsung-960-EVO-30GB-Av-MBs.png

🤔

http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-960-evo-m-2-nvme-ssd-review-250gb1tb/

[gloomy sphinx]

oh yeah

the 970 evos are much better

[austere ivy]

Online arguments are silly anyway, I guess.

Both parties get mad at eachother.

[gloomy sphinx]

M.2 SSDs support PCIe 3.0, SATA 3.0 and USB 3.0 interfaces

[austere ivy]

And even if one wins, the other won't accept it.

[gloomy sphinx]

its true

[void void]

@gloomy sphinx and somehow so is evo 850 with sata 3 🤔

[gloomy sphinx]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere ivy]

It's just a fight and no one gains literally anything from it.

Which is something I'm personally guilty of, a lot.

More respected members of the community seem to be constantly silent and only talk when they're called or they have something cool.

Maybe I should learn something from that instead of constantly saying stuff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy sphinx]

except calling m.2 a interface protocol is pretty up there

[austere ivy]

And so what. If he's wrong, are you going to prove him wrong?

And do you think if you do prove him wrong with UNDENIABLE evidence he'll say he's sorry?

Probably not.

[void void]

Can y'all just drop it

You're annoying

[austere ivy]

There's just no winning there.

[gloomy sphinx]

its probably in his best interest so he doesn't knock off every mobo that says "has 3 m.2 slots!"

doesnt matter anyways

just all in good fun

[crystal dagger]

imo he just meant to say SATA m.2 instead of m.2 in general, since NVMe is considered m.2 also (although yes, there's multiple types of m.2), but that's just my take on it

[ancient bolt]

oh right

I have a 1TB Samsung 970* Pro

[gloomy sphinx]

hopefully

[ancient bolt]

not a 960

[gloomy sphinx]

970 pro is nice

all of their pro ssd's were good

[ancient bolt]

but point still stands, it's amazing

[gloomy sphinx]

yeah i want one

that being said... pcie 4.0 was released

with ssd's upwards of 4500+MB/s

pretty nutty

[austere ivy]

I have an 860 SSD, it's a lot better than the hdd I'm using atm that's for sure lol

[gloomy sphinx]

the new amd processors and motherboard use pcie 4.0 already

[wide hazel]

I have..

[crystal dagger]

are there more benefits for PCIe 4.0 other than just SSD's? I heard GPU's could benefit, but do the current existing ones even support it?

[wide hazel]

3 850's and 2 860's

[old badge]

I probably won't upgrade for the next 5 years lol

[austere ivy]

Nice, egg.

[gloomy sphinx]

current gpu's do not support pcie 4.0

[austere ivy]

I'm on Samsung's live chat page.

[gloomy sphinx]

but yes it would benifit the top tier cards

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/TjFu2CL.png
https://i.imgur.com/iCUa9aT.png

[austere ivy]

What is this??

¿¿¿¿

[wide hazel]

Microsoft, what did you do?!

[crystal dagger]

welp

[wide hazel]

why is BitLocker off?

[austere ivy]

Egg what happened?

[void void]

o boi

[wide hazel]

why can't I resume it? 😠

[austere ivy]

BitLocker is encryption thingy, right?

[gloomy sphinx]

yes

backdoored encryption

[wide hazel]

thankfully I use a TPM, so key is safe

[ancient bolt]

should I watch the office so that I understand all the references people make?

I don't otherwise have any desire to watch it

[gloomy sphinx]

i found the office borning

get new friends

[austere ivy]

Sure.

[wide hazel]

"backdoored encryption" - alright, now you're in my territory. I'll bite.

[austere ivy]

The Office is a great show.

[gloomy sphinx]

lol

[austere ivy]

Egg what do you do?

Encryption master?

[wide hazel]

I updated to latest

[gloomy sphinx]

of course i have no sources that say it is backdoored but when trucrypt died

you know something funky happened

[austere ivy]

What's your territory, egg? Haha.

[wide hazel]

security

[ancient bolt]

bitlocker is not backdoored

[wide hazel]

^

[austere ivy]

Ooh fancy, I have a question, then.

Do you get paid well?

[wide hazel]

well, I wouldn't say "BitLocker is not backdoored"

[austere ivy]

And is it a good career to get into?

[ancient bolt]

fine

[wide hazel]

I instead would say "the positive claim has the burden of proof"

[ancient bolt]

we have no reason to believe it is and it's reasonable to assume it's not

[wide hazel]

^

[gloomy sphinx]

http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ if you remember truecrypt

[wide hazel]

I used to use TrueCrypt

VeraCrypt being its successor

[ancient bolt]

it wouldn't do microsoft's business any good if it was backdoored

[wide hazel]

that and it uses AES

[ancient bolt]

losing enterprise trust over something like that would be devastating

[wide hazel]

which would be REALY FUCKING HARD to backdoor

[ancient bolt]

that is also true

[austere ivy]

I'm gonna bet security's a good career choice.

[wide hazel]

security is indeed a solid career choice

[ancient bolt]

You have to be smart to be in security

[void void]

That's highly debatable

Going from my last job

[gloomy sphinx]

rsa 2048 bit was cracked by the nsa right

[ancient bolt]

I'm sure they've done it before...cracked in general? no way

[wide hazel]

it was not

no

[gloomy sphinx]

how do you feel about the nsa approved encryptions

[cosmic raft]

if it was cracked in general nobody would be using it for anything, especially guides like on github/etc

[wide hazel]

2048-bit hasn't yet been broken as far as the public is aware

"cracked" also depends on the implementation

[ancient bolt]

NSA approved encryptions are some of the best and strongest options available

[wide hazel]

indeed

[ancient bolt]

I know the NSA's other side that you can't trust

[wide hazel]

DoD-approved are, anyway. NSA feeds off of the DoD for defense

NSA is actually offense

[ancient bolt]

but the NSA is very trustworthy in those regards

[wide hazel]

generally yes

not always

but generally

[gloomy sphinx]

i am interested in those encryption types that are like 128 bit or whatever

david hilfghpherment

i dont know what they are called

[ancient bolt]

just stick to open source encryption standards since they are verified by independent third parties and are auditted by the large companies that use them

[wide hazel]

128-bit would be difficult to secure properly

[cosmic raft]

I love the size difference between rsa and ed25519: https://github.com/kashike.keys

[wide hazel]

lol

[cosmic raft]

the rsa key there being 16384

[ancient bolt]

what kind of a heathen doesn't use ssh-rsa for everything

I like my large keys god damnit

[cosmic raft]

I'm moving away from my rsa key where I can

[gloomy sphinx]

whats the olliptic encryption thing

[ancient bolt]

probably not a bad idea, I don't have any reason to stick with rsa either

[gloomy sphinx]

Elliptic-curve

[wide hazel]

there was a picture of an absurely-long lock that just had "RSA 4096-bit" above it

was glorious

[gloomy sphinx]

oh yeah ed25519 is where i was going

lol

[ancient bolt]

my keepass database is encrypted 50000 times because that was an option and it let me put in any number I wanted so I felt cool making it big

[gloomy sphinx]

this is what happens when i read things before bed

[wide hazel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG

that's what you mean, right?

yeah, that one

[gloomy sphinx]

yes

[wide hazel]

yeah, that was the one the NSA pushed through NIST because they had enough votes

we don't talk about that one

the backdoor only works when using specific primes that NIST gave

[gloomy sphinx]

all i know is that encryption is some cool shit to read about

[wide hazel]

indeed!

[gloomy sphinx]

i have a book that goes back to when encryption was on a stick

pretty interesting

[wide hazel]

start with the Diffie-Hellman handshake. It's the easiest way into cryptography

and partially runs most of the modern world. RSA is built on DH

[gloomy sphinx]

this thing. if you get the size of the stick correct to the string length you could read the message

[ancient bolt]

my favorite encryption thing was when my security professor showed us how you can do statistics over encrypted data and get a non-encrypted result without decrypting the data, basically allowing you do get generalizations from the data while the data remained anonymous, which is extremely useful for doing statistical analysis over sensitive data, such as medical or financial data

[wide hazel]

ie. breaking the Caesar cipher using frequency analysis

smarter than brute-force

[gloomy sphinx]

i remember cracking wpa encryption using bruteforce

on backtrack lol

[wide hazel]

you mean WEP? Or did you capture a handshake and then run it through OCL-Hashcat?

Backtrack couldn't do WPA well

was likely WEP

[gloomy sphinx]

wpa

with reaver and wpa keys

common wpa keys

[wide hazel]

you mean passwords?

Reaver was for WPS

is*

[ancient bolt]

well im going to "celebrate" memorial day by eating pizza and finding something to watch

so good night

[wide hazel]

enjoy!

[gloomy sphinx]

https://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=cracking_wpa

that juan

i think reaver to capture info?

then aircrack to run the crack

i dont remember much it was years ago

[wide hazel]

reaver miiight be able to capture info? More efficient to use aircrack-ng suite though

these days you just fire up Wifite

[gloomy sphinx]

all i know is i was on a laptop, my mom unplugged the internet and i had a usb network stick that could send specific packets

[wide hazel]

then Hashcat

or OCL-Hashcat if you use Windows

[gloomy sphinx]

could be done on a rbpi?

[wide hazel]

you can't packet-replay WPA. You're thinking of WEP ARP replays

you fake-auth and then replay ARP packets to generate entropy

[gloomy sphinx]

i remember it sending wpa keys to bruteforce

[wide hazel]

ARP replay isn't the most efficient way any more anyway, though still works so who can deny the classics?

you don't send WPA/WPA2 keys

you capture a handshake and then attempt to break it locally

[gloomy sphinx]

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-crack-a-wi-fi-networks-wpa-password-with-reaver-5873407

pretty sure it was that heh

i learned from hackforums back in the day

[wide hazel]

Reaver is most commonly used for brute-forcing WPS, which doesn't really work these days anyway

[gloomy sphinx]

back when shells were a thing to ddos with

[wide hazel]

shells were never used to DoS/DDoS

you're thinking reverse shells?

[gloomy sphinx]

php shells

[wide hazel]

or as in ZSH?

right, yeah. A reverse shell

you used a reverse shell as just that- a reverse shell. As in, the client connects to your machine and hands you a shell

[gloomy sphinx]

i forget the exploit name but you could use xml files from the xml database

[wide hazel]

then you used commands as you would any bash shell

or sh

[gloomy sphinx]

yes thats right

[wide hazel]

the reason for reverse shells is that it's rare to find people block outbound connections

rather than opening a port it connects back to the attacker

you find an exploit, you run it, you hand yourself a reverse shell, you try to escalate from there

most commonly you need to chain exploits

sandboxes are a bitch

[gloomy sphinx]

i really wish i got more into security at the time

i remember shells that would output 10+Mbps were golden

if you got 500 of them you were pretty much a 12 year old god

[wide hazel]

https://superuser.com/questions/1172548/cannot-re-enable-bitlocker

this worked

no idea why

https://i.imgur.com/0GsWdPq.png

'tis not up to I to question our MS overlords

meerly to accept my fate as their user

[wide hazel]

endless weird issues on random occasions

[gloomy sphinx]

why are you running windows anyways @wide hazel

just curious

[cosmic raft]

I run Windows on my laptop

nothing wrong with Windows, I just don't use it as my primary OS

[gloomy sphinx]

why do you run it on your laptop

[cosmic raft]

because I need Windows more than I need *nix while on the go

[gloomy sphinx]

you could just wine /s

yeah i have a spare windows machine too for those programs that only run on windows

such a pain sometimes

[limber knot]

{"error":{"code":404,"message":"Could not locate build"}}

[gloomy sphinx]

even more of a pain turning windows on after leaving it off for a few months

[limber knot]

1.14.2

[cosmic raft]

desktop runs Arch Linux, laptop runs Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise

[limber knot]

Amonly: shift+f5 on website, cache problem

[gloomy sphinx]

yeah there is a type on the download page amonly

https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.14.2/51/download

they have it at 1.14.1

[cosmic raft]

not a typo, cache issue

[gloomy sphinx]

o

[limber knot]

thanks :D

[wide hazel]

@gloomy sphinx because I like playing video games

[gloomy sphinx]

have you looked into lutris and the proton thing steam has?

[wide hazel]

my laptop runs Deepin, my desktop Windows 10

[limber knot]

will they put the anti xray?

[wide hazel]

When I can play Assassin's Creed Odyssey on Linux, let me know

[gloomy sphinx]

i will

[wide hazel]

as it stands I can't even get the game to run on my SoftRAID

because DRM

had to move it to another drive

fucking. Morons.

[upper flicker]

muh DRM tho

[wide hazel]

"when the pirates can produce a better product than you, you've failed"

[gloomy sphinx]

I think clearing cache from 1.14.1 to 1.14.2 is needed

or something

[frail bobcat]

Didn't have any issues here

All the lighting glitches were fixed

[gloomy sphinx]

hmm

[strange bane]

I didn't force upgrade and it runs fine.

[wide hazel]

I hope you all have backups

[upper flicker]

in their update notes they said 1.14.2 was supposed to regen lighting data from older 1.14 versions automatically

no idea how well thats working out

[wide hazel]

backups are worthless if you can't revert to them

[wide hazel]

always test your backups

[wide hazel]

backups 101:

1. Make backups
2. Test your backups
3. Test your backups
4. Make redundant backups
5. Test your backups
6. Copy backups to multiple locations
7. Test your backups

"test" meaning "make a full clone of your last backup and play with it"

don't need to do that for EVERY backup

but periodically

you can automate backup testing to a degree

8. Test your backups
9. Test your backups

10. Did you test your backups?

a broken backup only serves to give a false sense of security

[wide hazel]

friendly public service announcement for everyone, by the way: When was the last time you tested your backups?

enjoy!

[upper flicker]

egg giving a speech on testing backups

Im just sitting here wondering what exactly he means by "backups" 🤔

[wide hazel]

anything you care about, really

whatever "backups" means to you

[upper flicker]

tacos?

[wide hazel]

indeed

by "backups" you mean "tacos" and by "test" you mean "eat"?

[upper flicker]

yes

[wide hazel]

sure, I'll eat your tacos 😄

thanks!

[stiff yarrow]

does testing a backup mean checking that the backup is actually being made

[upper flicker]

no no

there is sensitive data there

[wide hazel]

when was the last time you looked through a backup and checked some files?

[upper flicker]

letting you test them would constitute a breach

[wide hazel]

lol

[upper flicker]

therefore it is only safe that I test them

[wide hazel]

ooorrrr restored a server from a backup and played in it

[stiff yarrow]

yeah that is some good points to make egg, I guess I do not check backups in that sense

[wide hazel]

there's a few "periodic reminders" I like to make every 6 or so months

you don't have to thoroughly test EVERY backup, but if you have them you should at least make sure they're restorable

[void void]

I just had flashbacks to when we were migrating servers. Stupid fucker was like "I took a backup but when I extract it there's nothing there! Did you delete the old server already?"

me:

also me: did you check the archive...

him: no

[crystal compass]

Does anybody know of an actual working condition auctionhouse plugin?

This one i bought on spigot is full of annoying bugs

[austere ivy]

What would the performance loss of having a JVM written in Java be?

Java Bytecode -> JVM in Java -> JVM in C, or another popular JVM.

Or a JIT written in java?

Sounds nonsensical but I'm just curious.

[upper flicker]

much of the JVM is java

Graal's compiler has lots of java as well

[austere ivy]

Really? That's interesting.

[void void]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyPy

python jit that is faster than regular python, written in a subset of python

[austere ivy]

o-O

[cosmic raft]

pizza or no

[austere ivy]

Yeah, sure.

[cosmic raft]

@void void

[austere ivy]

I just had pizza here.

They don't know what marinara sauce is here..

so

Pizza was still good!

Half hawaiian, half margarita.

[merry talon]

@void void Why do you hate yourself?

[cosmic raft]

hmmm

sure why not

[void void]

yes get pizza

also why is it in gbp

[cosmic raft]

why not

[austere ivy]

@cosmic raft

[cosmic raft]

it just uses the wrong symbol

[void void]

weird haha

[austere ivy]

It kinda looks gross, I know, BUT it was pretty good.

[cosmic raft]

it's CAD $11.53

[austere ivy]

Doesn't have any marinara sauce though, that doesn't exist here apparently :(

I got this pizza for 9$, t'was good.

[cosmic raft]

but because en_gb is higher than en_us on my phone, it uses the gbp symbol

[austere ivy]

What's your favorite kinda pizza, kash?

[cosmic raft]

pepperoni

this one is pepperoni + green pepper

[austere ivy]

yuck I don't like pepperoni but you do you

too spicy, I like cheesy pizza

sometimes pepperoni is good, though.

[void void]

weirdo

pepperoni isnt spicy! man up!

[cosmic raft]

pepperoni isn't spicy

what planet do you live on

[austere ivy]

planet 'murica