just don't give out version specific installers
#general
merry talon
cosmic raft
The point of the msi's is that they are the full version
so Chrome can be installed while offline, etc
and sometimes you need an older version
compat breaks, etc
merry talon
oh yeah msis are supposed to be portable
that kinda seems like XY problem to me, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
Pretty sure that some places also disable the auto update and install the msi's on their clients automatically
cosmic raft
yes
cosmic raft
and only push updates when they've confirmed internal applications are compatible with new versions of the browser
cosmic raft
What should I get for food tonight
McDonald's maybe
Ever had poutine from McDonald's @merry talon?
cosmic raft
Is it good?
merry talon
its not bad
cosmic raft
What do you get from McDonald's?
merry talon
but far from the best I've had
mcdonalds isn't my preference but usually a mcchicken
or a breakfast wrap
and fries of course
merry talon
You don't get very much though
cosmic raft
P $4.39, M $5.89
merry talon
the ratio is usually a lot more from other places
cosmic raft
fair
merry talon
dairy queen poutine is really good surprisingly
merry talon
good point I haven't seen them on any of the apps either
merry talon
which app is that?
cosmic raft
SkipTheDishes
merry talon
ah that one I haven't tried because they seem to treat their drivers the worst and their ads are fucking annoying
and uber is just a horrible hostile company so DoorDash is my go to
cosmic raft
They're the only ones in my area who deliver
merry talon
oh
cosmic raft
As a McChicken?
merry talon
pretty much iirc
cosmic raft
Any difference that you could tell?
cosmic raft
Hmm
cosmic raft
I don't think I can
merry talon
oh
cosmic raft
meh
merry talon
just watching Tay delete and repost the same tweet over and over again like 5 times now
why can we still not edit tweets
the infosec tay btw
young axle
round granite
void void
upper flicker
mcmmo discord must have dropped a link
stiff yarrow
mcmmo refugees 
round granite
I was curious if anyone might know of a Waterfall/Travertine-like server for 1.6
nossr figured this would be a better place to ask
upper flicker
if you dont need it to support modern protocols I'd suggest just going and using an old version of bungee
if you do it gets a lot more complicated
Im not aware of any proxies that support that far back as well as modern
round granite
Ok ty
limber knotBOT
bungee would be the only proxy I know of that would work however you would need to find an old enough version that supported it
like one of the beginning versions if they still exist
upper flicker
so everyone should ping wiz in mcmmo because he cant respond
pulsar wigeon
i'll kick you from enginehub :^)
that about the best threat i can come up with for you
upper flicker
:c
static badge
sadly not retard free
static badge
talkin bout u
stiff yarrow
don't make me spank you 
static badge
keep ur weird fetishes out of here u filthy weeb
stiff yarrow
merry talon
Twitter
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merry talon
no clue why them even asking for that would even be acceptable
merry talon
@cosmic raft how was the food
void void
at some point they had an option to give your email password, because clicking email links is too hard
can facebook just be over already
limber knotBOT
I accidentally found this http://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/minecraft_classic_server.zip on mojangs download server
I modded the 0.30 classic version from the client (which usually doesn't support multiplayer). Now I managed to setup the server and join it https://imgur.com/a/9X7Hezf
pulsar wigeon
i still have the files for a classic spleef server lying around
limber knotBOT
Nice :D
If someone is interested in the modded client jar to join such a server, I can upload the files somewhere
But I guess nobody cares :D
austere ivy
Hi folks.
How's 1.14's server performance supposed to be in comparison to 1.13?
My server's still on 1.12(.2) and some people were wishing they had the new trapdoors and blocks and stuff on 1.13(.2) but everyone, including Aikar, me after testing a server on it, has an agreed consensus that 1.13's server performance is awful in comparison to 1.12, but we'd still like the new blocks.
worldly radish
austere ivy
With 1.14 coming around the corner, I was just wondering if anyone knows if that had some server-side optimizations (or something) that made it not as bad as 1.13.
Thanks.
pulsar wigeon
maybe replacing the event bus will speed things up
you could try writing a custom one that allows fast dynamic registration of handlers
:^)
static badge
sounds pretty easy :>
tardy lynx
delete the server, then you have no performance issues
stiff yarrow
@austere ivy
My server's still on 1.12(.2) and some people were wishing they had the new trapdoors and blocks and stuff on 1.13(.2) but everyone, including Aikar, me after testing a server on it, has an agreed consensus that 1.13's server performance is awful in comparison to 1.12, but we'd still like the new blocks.
Then just upgrade your server to 1.13 you dingus
static badge
it's awful enough that we're going to drop 1.13 support after 1.14 has stabilized
while keeping 1.12 :>
least that's what 2 said
woeful arch
void void
wat sap boiz
vestal jasper
tacos
void void
ur retarded
vestal jasper
thanks dad
void void
ur welcome my only son
void void
oracle licensing
they want contracts n shit for enterprise grade support
if you use openjdk, life continues to be beautiful like before
stiff yarrow
what about openjdk 8
limber knotBOT
it hasnt been significantly behind since java 6
8 is missing some EE shit no one uses
most people have been running servers off of openjdk for years, some without even knowing it
everything i run daily or not so often runs fine on openjdk 8
intellij, gradle, maven, minencraft, runelite, ant etc.
stiff yarrow
is the JRE performance good with openjdk?
limber knotBOT
yes
you understand openjdk is the reference implementation right
its the one they work on before oracle ever gets near it
left yacht
We've used the openjdk for quite a few years.
haven't noticed any performance degradation between it and the Oracle one.
because linux generally likes to install openjdk anyway.
stiff yarrow
you understand openjdk is the reference implementation right ngl I don't know what that means guess I'll google it
limber knotBOT
basically one and "the correct" JVM implementation
upper flicker
In the software development process, a reference implementation (or, less frequently, sample implementation or model implementation) is the standard from which all other implementations and corresponding customizations are derived
limber knotBOT
openjdk is written against the java/jvm spec by oracle (?) guys
upper flicker
oracle's JDK has historically been built on top of the openjdk
they've been diddling with it less and less
and now that they've made all these licensing changes they're really pushing people to get off of oracle if you dont have a license
stiff yarrow
why do they change it? what's the point of maintaining 2 of them 
upper flicker
enterprise support
limber knotBOT
& EE libraries
upper flicker
java EE is dead
its its own separate project
they handed it off to eclipse foundation or whoever
upper flicker
support is what enterprises pay for
limber knotBOT
commercial support....
idk what examples are
never seen java commercial support in action lol
upper flicker
priority support from real people, not waiting for an open source maintainer to have time
fixing things after public expiration dates
stiff yarrow
I guess I'm wondering what commercial support actually means
upper flicker
it means if you have a problem oracle puts an engineer with you to solve it
rather than googling shit
stiff yarrow
so they fix some complicated shit then
upper flicker
when youre making millions per day off of some software project, having an issue is bad
you will pay out the nose to not have problems
and to get those problems resolved quickly if they come up
rather than "just google it, idk make a PR, known bug deal with it or upgrade"
stiff yarrow
so this is Oracles business model https://youtu.be/bLHL75H_VEM
limber knotBOT
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limber knotBOT
^ commercial support woooo
upper flicker
Java 8 just went out of public support for example
stiff yarrow
is there some legit reason to ever be stuck on java 1.6
upper flicker
legacy software
libraries
it just works
if youre making cash hand over fist on 10 year old software you arent going to upgrade just for funsies
limber knotBOT
mc was compiled with java 6 for years iirc?
limber knotBOT
hence mojang's stripped down fastutil existed
upper flicker
RedHat is actually going to keep supporting Java 8 for some years with fixes and backports for free on OpenJDK
as they've taken over maitainership
limber knotBOT
since some version they bundle full blown fastutil lul
upper flicker
so you know, good time to switch anyway
stiff yarrow
so why does oracle charging people for commercial support mean we need to use openjdk
upper flicker
because if you dont have a license with oracle you cant use their software
I mean you can
in MC everyone's tiny, youd probably get away with it
stiff yarrow
upper flicker
you do that at work and youll get sued
stiff yarrow
quickly installs openjdk
limber knotBOT
some companies already got sued iirc
.g oracle sues companies
(mikroskeem) https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/9360/oracle-vs-google-can-oracle-sue-any-company-who-is-using-java-and-making-profit -- licensing - Oracle vs Google: Can Oracle sue any company...: "Simple use of Oracle's Java SDK is not what they are suing over. ... So can Oracle sue any company which is using Java and making profit?"
upper flicker
thats because oracle is all about short term profit
limber knotBOT
well uh
stiff yarrow
Usage of java is allowed. Re-implementing java based on the api docs isn't (according to Oracle). – ratchet freak May 20 '16 at 10:56 what does this mean
upper flicker
be fine with them blowing up so long as all the JVM engineers moved to redhat or somewhere
stiff yarrow
upper flicker
that sounds like its related to the google trial
so its not directly related to this
and a lot of that was google engineers straight up whole sale copying code
not relevant
upper flicker
google bought some project that had already done it or something
stiff yarrow
ooh
upper flicker
and then they claimed there were only so many ways to write it
and its unclear how far or how long they kept doing it
google tried to make a good faith reimplementation from docs argument
which is generally considered fair use
stiff yarrow
yeah tbh I wouldn't know copied code if I saw it, I don't look at Java library implementations
upper flicker
but then all of this about someone stole blah blah
its all muddy and I think they lost
stiff yarrow
software patents are cancer tho, even though this is about code not necessarily patents
upper flicker
pretty much
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stiff yarrow
I'd post the filthy frank icarly song but it'd put this discord server on a list
limber knotBOT
lol
native thunder
This is the case the Google is trying to bring to the Supreme Court no?
They got ruled against in the lower courts iirc
stiff yarrow
I'm sure judges on the supreme court will be well versed in technology and make the right decision 
upper flicker
there was a judge who read up, learned how all this worked, and ruled for google
upper flicker
and then an appeals court said "lolnope" and handed it to oracle
cosmic raft
really?
cosmic raft
.g vacuum
limber knotBOT
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upper flicker
crimson lodge
That sucks
vestal jasper
Yeah it's vacuum
that has to be one of the least English-y spelled words
at least the uum part
I saw that pixel
crimson lodge
😂
limber knotBOT
jesus, that emoji
05:11 <+DiscordBot> <PixelNotFound> https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/539932151190388756.png
ty lol
there you go @crimson lodge
static badge
lol was it over rangeCheck
stiff yarrow
I have shown you da wae brudda
private static void rangeCheck(int arrayLen, int fromIndex, int toIndex {
if (fromIndex > toIndex)
throw new IllegalArgumentException("fromIndex(" + fromIndex +
") > toIndex(" + toIndex+")");
if (fromIndex < 0)
throw new ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException(fromIndex);
if (toIndex > arrayLen)
throw new ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException(toIndex);
}``` wow this is definitely totally unique code that only experts could write, anyone else would have to copy it to make their product ship fasterThey're missing that legendary 10x
olive garden
What is this mc-dev plugin? Why does it only detect event handlers which are public?
upper flicker
because thats all its programmed to do presumably?
limber knotBOT
public event handlers are about 2x faster than private
static badge
about 2x faster
olive garden
in that case there was no need to, but I won't have a public method flying around in a class which does have real public methods
stiff yarrow
wut
limber knotBOT
gotta grab those nanoseconds!
stiff yarrow
public event handlers are about 2x faster than private ?
olive garden
bytecode manipulation
limber knotBOT
well, as paper uses ASM to generate event executors
olive garden
they create a class which calls them directly instead of some wrapper
limber knotBOT
then you can only call public methods using this way
otherwise you have to use methodhandle
which is about 2x slower than direct call
static badge
last I bothered to exist methodhandle was slower than reflection
limber knotBOT
in certain conditions yes
static badge
specifically testing virtual function calls
limber knotBOT
hmm
i have jmh benchmark for my reflection library
which told me that mh is about 2x slower
static badge
i used a for loop and checked the asm
olive garden
I have no idea what methodhandles are, but I'm curious: in what case are they not slower?
limber knotBOT
simple usage
static badge
I targeted public methods specifically though so :>
ancient bolt
I'm not aware of any explicit checks on event handler visibility
limber knotBOT
e.g MethodHandle mh = MethodHandles.lookup().unreflect(method); -> mh.invoke(args)
static badge
where were your benchmarks stored
static badge
also what's with that weeb name
static badge
where is subproject i don't see it
ancient bolt
then uninstall the plugin
olive garden
so that code started out with skipping abstract and static methods
later it also started to skip private ones, and then it stopped to skip static ones
and it was you who changed it, so now I get your reaction
olive garden
okay
stiff yarrow
oh yeah demon I meant to mention something to you about your plugins inspections
if you call a custom event from an event listener method, and that event listener ignores cancelled in its annotation, and if you check if that custom event is cancelled, the inspection will REE at you even though they are different events
ancient bolt
yeah i know
I'm beginning to remember why I was considering deleting the project a while ago
anyways goodnight
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt don't delete it, someone will maintain it for you if you wanna quit it
ancient bolt
no one will maintain it
olive garden
is there any comment regarding this?
stiff yarrow
are you gonna quit it now?
vestal jasper
It's quite nice for quickly creating projects
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
I do that Trigary lol
olive garden
me too, but unfortunately I can't hide the inspection on a case-by-case basis
austere ivy
I also do project.version too
Yeah I don't really look at plugin.yml much anyway.
Doesn't bother me much.
olive garden
but it shows up in the inspection results :(
stiff yarrow
if you seriously want to quit and no one else will volunteer I'd maintain it in the sense that I'd keep it working with new IntelliJ updates
but I'm too busy to add new features
ancient bolt
well im already doing that so that's not very useful
austere ivy
nossr
stop abusing that emoji
I'm going to start a non-profit charity for those poor abused pepe running emojis
ancient bolt
austere ivy
hey, I like your name DrBot.
vestal jasper
tame pendant
Ty
vestal jasper
some day the mc dev project that's written in kotlin will work for kotlin plugins
stiff yarrow
I'd have to actually learn kotlin just to maintain your shit so its something I don't really want to do but I also don't want to see such a useful plugin die
austere ivy
Anywho yeah I'm going to hold off till 1.14, it's just not worth the performance tradeoff.
tame pendant
If 1.14 vanilla is coming out on the 23rd, how many days after that should I expect spigot to come out? Paper?
vestal jasper
What's your basis for this noss?
austere ivy
It's upstream.
stiff yarrow
history
vestal jasper
Huh I've never seen them even release for snapshots let alone release before the mc release
stiff yarrow
didn't spigot release for pr7 of 1.13
austere ivy
Hopefully pretty fast, Vicarious. I'm not entirely sure on how it exactly works but IIRC they have to update Craftbukkit, then Spigot gets upstream which means Paper also gets upstream. So hopefully decently fast we should get some sort of prototype on it.
stiff yarrow
someone said that at least
austere ivy
But what do I know ¯_(ツ)_/¯
And I don't think there were as many technical updates (definitely not as many as 1.13) for 1.14, just maybe Material enum changes, some new AI stuff they'd have to add with wandering merchant? Nothing crazy but you know it's another update.
vestal jasper
>new AI stuff
You mean new AI stuff added by paper :^)
oh AI not API
i'm legit retarded
stiff yarrow
its okay I word dyslexia shit hard all the time
tame pendant
I'm not sure but it looks like it took vanilla 1.13 came out July 18 and spigot 1.13 came out July 14
vestal jasper
nossr pick which feature I add in next for me please
pick a number 1-12 including 1 and 12
austere ivy
2
stiff yarrow
such little context
vestal jasper
for my dwellings project
vestal jasper
do you even know what 1 is
austere ivy
You either add to-do stuff at the end, or at the start.
vestal jasper
you sound like you do
cosmic raft
@vestal jasper -11
stiff yarrow
niban
austere ivy
So to maximize the chance on making you do the stuff you've been putting off..
6
Unless you insert it to the middle.
._.
vestal jasper
....so 2? kash
cosmic raft
no
vestal jasper
nice
austere ivy
You have a to-do list, and you either add it to the start or end, and if I do 12 or 1 it might be the last OR the most recent, so to maximize it'll be a 6 from me.
limber knotBOT
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vestal jasper
..
austere ivy
.wa range(12)
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12} - https://is.gd/nrWjml
crimson lodge
I hate bots
limber knotBOT
screw you too
crimson lodge
At least i am not a bot
limber knotBOT
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stiff yarrow
.wa range 25
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
stiff yarrow
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
vestal jasper
@cosmic raft ok pick a number in the following range (0,12]
crimson lodge
8
cosmic raft
0
stiff yarrow
.wa range (25)
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25} - https://is.gd/YaNlOx
vestal jasper
0 isn't in the range
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
.wa range(12)
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12} - https://is.gd/nrWjml
cosmic raft
16
austere ivy
.wa range[12)
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12} - https://is.gd/RzfmUC
austere ivy
:(
tardy lynx
.wa range(999)
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62,... - https://is.gd/WpE5dJ
tardy lynx
oh
vestal jasper
Ok custom WorldGuard flags it is
stiff yarrow
@void void where's this code for paper generating bytecode to do direct calls
vestal jasper
I really wish I could send specific sounds to the client and not categories of sounds
cosmic raft
what
vestal jasper
like CAVE_1 instead of just CAVE
cosmic raft
ah
vestal jasper
I'd like players to hear CAVE_1 when entering areas with PVP enabled
austere ivy
I know Vicarious.
vestal jasper
But due to how the client works even with API changes that wouldn't be possible
austere ivy
And I want relative player target selectors.
BUT MOJANG WON'T LISTEN TO MY SUGGESTIONS IT'S SO SIMPLE WHY NOT
austere ivy
:(
stiff yarrow
if they cared we'd have way more network packets to play with
and some server side ux stuff
void void
they care if its useful for people who make maps
native thunder
Mojang caring about mp in general
native thunder
That's just years of tech debt for you
limber knotBOT
could just create a custom client and then add all the packets you want
only thing that needs to be left intact is the login stuff
stiff yarrow
might as well just make it a forge mod at that point
limber knotBOT
except forge doesn't play nice with paper/spigot servers
austere ivy
why not?
limber knotBOT
if you have a mod sometimes it can cause you to dc because the server received a weird packet
austere ivy
oh okay.
limber knotBOT
there used to exist a couple of projects that combined forge with bukkit/spigot
that was kind of nice, but they since died =/
cosmic raft
wolfram alpha is interesting
limber knotBOT
maybe I could work on that as a project. Client side paper api
cosmic raft
.wa is 1/(x^2-1)+UnitStep[x-2]+UnitStep[x-9] continuous at x=9
limber knotBOT
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@stiff yarrow see clases under com.destroystokyo.paper
(not api)
stiff yarrow
@void void quite a few classes here, any tips on which one contains it
com.destroystokyo.paper.antixray.DataBitsReader ?
oh nm antixray
I just saw the name and assumed
stiff yarrow
I found it 
void void
vestal jasper
I'm retarded and not retarded at the same time
I can just toSet.queryState(player, Flags.PVP)
Instead of manually setting up to be able to queryState
And I found this out after nearly finishing doing so
spiral garden
@void void ivan has officially infected the javacord server too
spiral garden
i mean, i don't remember being a piece of shit when i was 13
quasi valley
But you can’t compete with little iv
vestal jasper
I'm not on his level
vestal jasper
crimson lodge
She passed her exams, now she is
A: occupied
B: qualified
What is the answer
Need you guys
cosmic raft
answer for what
cosmic raft
depends on the context/usage
crimson lodge
Thats all i got
cosmic raft
good luck
void void
you pass exams to gain qualifications
vestal jasper
They want B as the answer but it's still incorrect
Without context we cannot correctly assume that merely passing the exam qualifies you for anything
void void
it makes the most sense
vestal jasper
It's the least wrong :^)
quasi valley
No internet today, time not to study but to play Minecraft in offline mode on my lappy 
vestal jasper
singleplayer
void void
you're on discord though
quasi valley
Flat on my phone
vestal jasper
still internet
quasi valley
Well
void void
you could use that internet on your computer if you really wanted to
quasi valley
It’s better for reading stuff 😂
vestal jasper
less screen space = better for reading
cosmic raft
what's wrong with a locked taskbar?
vestal jasper
void void
RIGHTTASKBARGANG
quasi valley
Top to bottom space 
void void
deathtoleft
vestal jasper
you have less screen space with a locked task bar
cosmic raft
get a bigger screen
vestal jasper
I do
cosmic raft
get a bigger screen
vestal jasper
I legit have the biggest screen I can get at this aspect ratio
cosmic raft
buy a projector
vestal jasper
brilliant
crimson lodge
Thanks guys
quasi valley
Sneak into the cinema and use their screens
crimson lodge
What is the opersite of rise?
A: Dawn
C: Drop
void void
Shouldn't you be answering these yourself?
A: Yeah
B: Yes
crimson lodge
A and B
quasi valley
It’s not drop
void void
english test
quasi valley
Well again it depend on the context what even is this
crimson lodge
Nope its a Cito test, so English, Dutch Math etc
What do they want me to answer @quasi valley
They never give context lol
void void
how is that opposite?
crimson lodge
Hmm
void void
rise = up and drop = down
finite wave
Dawn = Sun rise
finite wave
Me?
quasi valley
Me 😂
crimson lodge
now i am really confused
void void
anyone who said it's dawn is dumb
crimson lodge
Is it A or C
crimson lodge
Okay Thanks
quasi valley
Yes sorry I got confused 
void void
how are you using your phone during a test?
crimson lodge
Toilet 😉
void void
quasi valley
For the second time in 10 minutes? 🤔😂
finite wave
Small bladder
void void
what's true and what's a lie
he's cheating on the test, he's constantly in the toilet
i don't know any more
crimson lodge
Well I am still in elementary school, so they dont really check lol
crimson lodge
google translate really sucks, thats why i asked here
vestal jasper
void void
Just curious, I write a simple command that is iterating over the list of offline players, which is approx. 900 players in total. I assume it will benefit from running async, also does that entail that I have to make a final version of whatever I'm iterating over as I shouldn't access the API during it running?
normal echo
If the API isn't thread safe then don't access it (most methods aren't)
vestal jasper
net.minecraft.server.v1_13_R2.ResourceKeyInvalidException: Non [a-z0-9/._-] character in path of location: minecraft:AMBIENT_CAVE
normal echo
mmm capital letters
vestal jasper
Ah
It should also be ambient.cave I imagine
Eyy there we go
I guess I'm going to do sanity checks
void void
@normal echo this should be okey or?
final OfflinePlayer[] players = Bukkit.getOfflinePlayers();
new BukkitRunnable()
{
@Override
public void run()
{
for (OfflinePlayer player : players)
{
// Do stuff.
}
}
}.runTaskAsynchronously(plugin);
ops, sorry for big paste
vestal jasper
Depends on the stuff
quasi valley
Bukkit.getOfflinePlayer(String)
quasi valley
Yes, do it async
void void
kenny
do you do some kind of callback on your async calls?
or how do you solve the return?
quasi valley
Depends what it is, sometimes I start a new sync task, have another timer waiting or something
void void
but i mean, even if you start a new sync task its in not in the original scope?
so i cant return there bc of it being a void?
quasi valley
Ah no in that case not
void void
Hmm
quasi valley
Try in #paper-dev and wait for someone else to respond, my food’s ready :p
void void
alright ty for the help!
@void void what are you doing
que?
I'm trying to create a callback from an async task but I can't get it right, really.
quasi valley
@void void use consumers or completable functions. this is how you might or might not give callbacks into the method https://hasteb.in/sigevelu.java
void void
I wrote a listener interface and implemented it on the caller and I think that will work?
@quasi valley
@Override
public void run()
{
for (OfflinePlayer offlinePlayer : offlinePlayers)
{
if (offlinePlayer.getName().equalsIgnoreCase(name))
{
new BukkitRunnable()
{
@Override
public void run()
{
listener.done(player, offlinePlayer);
}
}.runTask(plugin);
}
}
}
Apparently getPlayer(offlinePlayer) is deprecated.
quasi valley
see https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/Server.html#getOfflinePlayer-java.lang.String- for why it's deprecated, but that's the method you want to use
quasi valley
lambdas I guess
acoustic pilot
Nothing in Bukkit should be run async unless it's specifically marked thread-safe in the javadocs, that's the general rule of thumb.
Everything should be assumed thread unsafe otherwise.
void void
Okey, so i shouldnt be doing at all then?
acoustic pilot
If you're doing something async and the javadocs don't explicitly say it's safe to do outside of the main thread, then you shouldn't be doing it async.
void void
okey then
quasi valley
what are you trying to do with the offlineplayer? it's probably fine working with that async, unless you're doing some specific magic or then interfering with the server
void void
i just wanna search and find a offlineplayer from name and return it
quasi valley
and then?
void void
well the callback is in sync, so later on i will grab the uuid and grab a certain object from a hashmap
using the UUID
bc people do /ignore <name>
acoustic pilot
Server#getOfflinePlayer(String) is not thread safe.
Calling it off-thread is not safe.
quasi valley
so you're suggesting always executing it on the main thread? then I'd rather not use it at all unless I want to freeze my server 
acoustic pilot
Doing so has the potential to corrupt internal state.
Indeed, you should avoid using it at all, as it can incur an HTTP profile lookup on the main thread
You should make your own thread-safe variation of profile lookups.
It's not that difficult.
quasi valley
doesn't paper have methods to only look locally without http calls?
not sure but I remember having heard that at some point
acoustic pilot
It might, not sure, but presumably he/she would want the unknown name to be resolved to a UUID regardless.
And not just for players who have logged into the server before.
void void
So I'll do this instead then:
final OfflinePlayer offlinePlayer = Bukkit.getOfflinePlayer(args[0]);
User user = UserHandler.i().getUser(offlinePlayer.getUniqueId());
and in sync
void void
you mean getInstance?
acoustic pilot
A request to https://api.mojang.com/users/profiles/minecraft/<username>
void void
oh so i could write my own http call
acoustic pilot
Would return some JSON like {"id": "<uuid>", "name": "some_name"} or a 204 response if not found.
void void
ye
acoustic pilot
Easy enough to write something that does that which you can re-use in all of your plugins
Along with a cache maybe to prevent frequent lookups to the same name, a minute-cache would be more than adequate.
vestal jasper
Why is No Content 204
void void
tyty
acoustic pilot
I guess there's a difference, semantically, in HTTP between empty content and a non-existent resource.
I'd consider a 204 in this case to be abuse on Mojang's end
Should probably be a 404.
vestal jasper
Yeah. I imagine a user existing but the user having no data would be a 204
But a user not existing should be a 404
quasi valley
also, you'd usually want you plugin main class to hold manager instances, that you either give into listeners or get them by plugin.getXManager... not that the static calls hurt you, but they are rather bad practice and may be abused by others
acoustic pilot
2xx indicates a success response, so I'd agree Mojang should've used 404 for non-existent users
But it's Mojang we're talking about 😃
vestal jasper
I've also seen services return 200 when returning no content
Which, considering 204's existence, is a little strange
acoustic pilot
204 IMO should def be used when the resource "exists" but has no content
vestal jasper
But the service in question always uses 200 whenever any request is successful no matter the output
acoustic pilot
but a non-existent profile doesn't seem to fit that criteria
Yeah it's common practice to just use 200 for all successful responses 😛
vestal jasper
They also randomly switch between 4xx codes for no clear reason
Iirc they use 401 for expired auth tokens and 403 for missing auth tokens? Which would be backwards.
acoustic pilot
401 vs 403 is a tricky one
but I consider 401 to mean "unautheticated" where 403 means "authenticated or not, you are forbidden"
vestal jasper
According to the service's docs
403 (Forbidden)
Common Reasons:
No API key was provided with the API request
An invalid API key was provided with the API request
401 (Unauthorized)
Common Reasons:
An API key has not been included in the request.
if you fail to provide an auth token you can get either a 401 or 403 and there's no way to tell why you got one or the other
upper flicker
If you just always return 418 you dont need to worry about it
vestal jasper
I'm a teapot
acoustic pilot
better not be the teapot shit
vestal jasper
it is
acoustic pilot
_>
upper flicker
no more so than a 403 should be
vestal jasper
I'm successfully forbidding you to continue
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.g 418 http
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vestal jasper
Oh makes sense
void void
@acoustic pilot something like this maybe? https://pastebin.com/bmcaZMLb
i havent done the actual lookup yet
acoustic pilot
lol a 20 year old april fools' joke
@void void I recommend using a Guava cache + Optional (since you can't store null values in it)
vestal jasper
i() is a very descriptive name
vestal jasper
vestal jasper
nitro
acoustic pilot
@void void This is something I use for example: https://gist.github.com/Byteflux/ba1cc3d37373c3f5c66f1aff40d0d84e
Modified to remove some bits, but you get the idea.
Uses OkHttp + Guava cache
and Gson
acoustic pilot
Profile is just a class with UUID and name.
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is that optional?
woven otter
wow new nickname again
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on my screen?
upper flicker
shouldve left it at volatile
vestal jasper
Who needs optional when you have ?
acoustic pilot
The only reason Optional is used is so that the empty response can be cached.
Since Guava cache doesn't allow null values.
woven otter
public volatile Spottedleaf
vestal jasper
is this guava?
on my screen?
vestal jasper
leaf ur retarded
cedar spade
no u
vestal jasper
no u
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concurrent maps tend to be a bitch since they internally use null
cedar spade
no u
vestal jasper
forking plugins omegalul
cedar spade
yay no more EssentialsX issues
upper flicker
opens ticket
upper flicker
depends on the audience
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i mean if it was "burritos are awful" everyone would hate you
crimson lodge
Why would you want to use a old versioin
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rightfully so too
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oooo admitting defeat here huh
upper flicker
oh no tacos are way better
but tacos being better doesnt make burritos bad
its not like a broccoli salad or something
woven otter
@upper flicker audience is anyone that uses MinecraftDev
@crimson lodge because making plugins for 1.8.x is still profitable
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2 what is with this logic it's supposed to be black or white
upper flicker
the forge people are the ones who should be annoyed
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and it should be white since black theme is retarded
upper flicker
changes one line in a pom file -> "oh so difficult"
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god I wonder what 1.8 must be like
nms
doesn't even have my playerconnectioncloseevent 😦
woven otter
honestly I figured that making this plugin auto-update might take more time than just changing one version number lel
upper flicker
tbh if you were still making any significant amount of scratch from private work for those versions Id expect you to have a base module or something
and then you'd not be using the base templates anyway
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auto updating is technically retarded
woven otter
@upper flicker what do you mean
upper flicker
simmer down leaf
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...
cedar spade
no u
upper flicker
fake transient ass leaf
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you gave me this name
upper flicker
nop
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you can't bm me for it
woven otter
do you mean like making a base module/template for IJ?
upper flicker
I meant like a base template outside of IJ with a static lib or a get up and go gradle base template or something
but sure that'd work too
woven otter
actually I'll look into that. Might delete that fork then
upper flicker
I mean I just dont think its worth your time to maintain it/keep it in sync
just for that, on bukkit
woven otter
yeah you're right
upper flicker
though from some of demon's latest ranting if you asked nicely he'd probably just let you have the real thing :>
woven otter
What was his latest rant?
Also when I have seen him talk he is usually not in a mood
upper flicker
he seems to go back and forth on mcdev being worth his time and hassle versus other stuff
like at one point I thought he was handing it off to gabi(?) or one of the other sponge people
but apparently not
but now maybe
you'd have to run it by him
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kotlin :dansgame:
upper flicker
spooky
woven otter
Could you do it so you can take all the blame
woven otter
wow not helping a fellow duck
upper flicker
its like 6am or 5am or something there
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demon boy bms a lot but inside he has a big heart
trust me he'll be fine if you ping him
upper flicker
and then there's this fucking leaf
native thunder
Mcdev is much more likely to be picked up by the sponge/forge community ya? It's features are mostly geared on that side
Over here I just use it for the cool little icon
upper flicker
there's a lot more opportunity over there
especially on the forge side
christ if someone found some way to write out a list of "no u dumb ass gotchas", throw it in a json file, and load it into the IDE
probably be a pretty nice shift for people who used it for nms dev
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huh?
upper flicker
huh what
upper flicker
there are a ton of potholes for new people screwing with nms
if someone found some way to list those and make them warnings in the IDE plugin
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potholes break my ankles
upper flicker
well you see, as roads experience normal wear and tear, traffic, weather, etc
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ur retarded
upper flicker
and as roads expand and contract
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/part
woven otter
potholes
upper flicker
small cracks form
then shit gets in there and the road keeps expanding and contracting
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no way
upper flicker
and then it tears up the road
upper flicker
and you get potholes
upper flicker
only when Im talking to someone as dum as u
woven otter
well I could say something rude about potholes
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but ur literally retarded
upper flicker
where did the leaf insults pineapple go
this is outrageous
abdicating his duties here
woven otter
just say something bad about concrete or what was the name of that fork
upper flicker
under the see
upper flicker
IRC never forgets
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.spottedleaf
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07:53 <+DiscordBot> <public transient Spottedleaf> went back under the see
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alright this is not fair
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07:53 <+DiscordBot> <public transient Spottedleaf> went back under the see
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.z750
woven otter
burningleaf
crimson lodge
.PixelNotFound
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fireheart's the username you use if you couldn't get firestar
woven otter
where was that 1.8.8 paper repo again
upper flicker
its a branch
woven otter
no no I mean maven repo
upper flicker
its the same repo
upper flicker
yup
cedar spade
pApEr DeStRoYs ToKyO
woven otter
right it's under org.github.paperspigot
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upper flicker
heh
olive garden
Don't believe his lies
cedar spade
papeRspigoT
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@cedar spade [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
vestal jasper
paperspigot
cedar spade
How does Korobi ping Discord users if DiscordBot doesn't send through the whole username to IRC 🤔
woven otter
you don't really need anything special to ping an user
cedar spade
Paperspigot
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@vestal jasper [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
cedar spade
The answer is: it just searches for a user with a matching name
upper flicker
all its doing is matching the <user> and then putting an @ in front of it
there's no searching
thats all done by the bridge
cedar spade
I mean
vestal jasper
spigotpaper
woven otter
upper flicker
wow look at you using the full identifier for the specific jar
-SNAPSHOT isnt good enough
woven otter
yeah that's for scrubs like you
(aka I just copied it from nexus without bothering to change it)
woven otter
wait is it outdated 🤔
wide chasm
2019.1.1 is latest IJ version
upper flicker
I see that on pretty much every groovy gradle script at some point
I just ignore it
woven otter
nope it's the latest
finite wave
@upper flicker Yeah, but he could just do it properly
upper flicker
idk what 'properly' is
at one point that was properly
gradle probably changed it
finite wave
you can do like compile artifact: “mysrt” name: “js” version: “orka”
Probably not exactly
But similar
finite wave
Yesyes
upper flicker
thats the short syntax
finite wave
Looks better though
finite wave
Then you have something in common, yes?
upper flicker
sanity yes
I cant imagine being so stupid as to require an explicit label on a version
how is it?
woven otter
what how is the labeled version any better than the short one
woven otter
you're right that's silly
upper flicker
this is a no u no u ur dumb no u r fuk u no fuk u argument
woven otter
no u
upper flicker
nou