#waterfall-dev | PaperMC | Page 11

harsh harbor Jul 24, 2020, 4:03 PM

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imagine doing that every time by hand

gentle burrow Jul 24, 2020, 4:04 PM

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😂

bleak current Jul 24, 2020, 4:12 PM

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that procedure is simple

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update submodule
apply patches
regenerate patches
script generates a commit message

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and that's it

thorny holly Jul 24, 2020, 6:36 PM

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sexy profile pic you got there mikro

bleak current Jul 24, 2020, 7:00 PM

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thanks

bleak current Jul 24, 2020, 7:27 PM

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How do I add a custom no permission message for a command? Should I do the permission checking myself?

lean gobletBOT Jul 24, 2020, 7:29 PM

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you can set the permission-message in the plugin.yml or via Command#setPermissionMessage

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oh wait

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waterfall, nvm

bleak current Jul 24, 2020, 7:31 PM

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yeah bungee

trail plume Jul 24, 2020, 7:33 PM

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You can't, basically

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you could deal with the perm check yourself, but, then the command would show to people who don't have it

bleak current Jul 24, 2020, 7:37 PM

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hm ok

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Hello, there is a way to get premium and crack in the same time ?

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:27 AM

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yes

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get a cheap account from alt bin and use remaining money to get crack from local reseller

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:28 AM

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no but like funcraft

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(a french network)

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if i'm premium, i don't get password thing and if i'm crack, i get password thing

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:28 AM

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if they did it then there's definitely a way

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:28 AM

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yes

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but how without modifying bungee ?

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:28 AM

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you answered your own question then

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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because i don't find the event

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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go ask them

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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i'm here for that

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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idk how they did that

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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you're not gonna get support with offline mode here anyway

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it's unsupported

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:29 AM

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it's supported

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because there is "online-mode" in bungee

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but how i can get if the player is a crack or a premium

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:31 AM

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ask them if they're crack, if yes then apply some tape and hope they'll be ok

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:31 AM

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yes but how i know that

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:31 AM

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ask nicely

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:31 AM

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yes sorry

jade wedge Jul 26, 2020, 2:32 AM

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you're not gonna get support with offline mode here anyway
why is offline mode not supported jw?

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:32 AM

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what is "jw" ?

jade wedge Jul 26, 2020, 2:32 AM

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just wondering

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:32 AM

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ah yes (sorry i'm french)

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:33 AM

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why is offline mode not supported jw?
@jade wedge a lot of bugs can happen with it

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plus it's supporting cracked accounts

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we're not really a fan of pirates here

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:35 AM

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offline mode is not illegal

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if offline mode was illegal, i was certainly never purchase minecraft

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:35 AM

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yeah it's not illegal

jade wedge Jul 26, 2020, 2:35 AM

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if cracked accounts were illegal, mojang would have done something about it ages ago lol

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but yeh i get that

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:35 AM

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and all of the french network is offline ^^

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:35 AM

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cracked accounts is game piracy

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technically illegal

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:36 AM

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FunCraft is offline

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no

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because the EULA accept this

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it's one the biggest network in the world

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:36 AM

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You are legally allowed to run offline mode servers yes

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you are not allowed to crack the game

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:36 AM

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funcraft have a launcher ^^

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:37 AM

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offline mode's intended use is to be able to have servers work over LAN

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:37 AM

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and never have a problem with mojang

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:37 AM

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you're misunderstanding

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:37 AM

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have you tried googling your question already?

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:38 AM

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yes

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but nobody do like funcraft

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because if i'm premium, i don't have to type password in funcraft

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i want to do the same

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:38 AM

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because such system is hard to pull off decently

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if you want to lose some features, such as players not being able to change their username

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or just see how your plugins start blowing up

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go use FastLogin

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good luck

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:39 AM

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no, i just want to know if a player is online or not

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:40 AM

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there is no reliable way for that

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you have to force authentication then

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:40 AM

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how

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oh

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i think i got a solution

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a french network called samagames close recently

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and crack was allowed

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and the source code was opened

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:41 AM

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whatever floats your boat

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:41 AM

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thanks

civic valve Jul 26, 2020, 2:42 AM

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DonoWall

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:49 AM

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i found that https://wiki.vg/Authentication

Authentication

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but there is no way to get this in bungee api ?

bleak current Jul 26, 2020, 2:51 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555462232209621003/736774886432964691

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look at the damned code

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in bungee

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it's not hard

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 2:52 AM

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yes

sharp isle Jul 26, 2020, 10:37 AM

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@scarlet anchor samagames was a premium server

scarlet anchor Jul 26, 2020, 10:43 AM

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yes my bad

weary grove Jul 26, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I'm dumb

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Missed the search box

zenith dune Jul 26, 2020, 10:10 PM

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why isn't travertine just merged into waterfall?

trail plume Jul 26, 2020, 10:12 PM

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because sod maintaining that proto patch in waterfall

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being able to say "screw it, I'll deal with travertine later" is such a blessing

zenith dune Jul 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

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huh ok makes sense

unkempt pecan Jul 26, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Hey guys, writing a little plugin at the moment, but not sure how to access my config YML. Anyone able to help me out?

potent lichen Jul 26, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Pretty sure YamlConfiguration.loadConfiguration is what you're looking for

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and of course you need to save your config file to the filesystem

unkempt pecan Jul 26, 2020, 11:29 PM

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when I'm implementing it into an event listener, do I have to pass my plugin with the call for registering the listener?

potent lichen Jul 26, 2020, 11:30 PM

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"implementing it into an event listener"

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what does that mean?

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do I have to pass my plugin with the call for registering the listener

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Yes

unkempt pecan Jul 26, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Alrighty

bleak current Jul 27, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I am disconnecting player but he is not getting any disconnect message

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ahh sorry I did a mistake worked now

unkempt pecan Jul 27, 2020, 2:36 PM

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How would I set a colour for the MOTD, where I can change the colour?

lean gobletBOT Jul 27, 2020, 2:38 PM

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iirc there is a ServerListPingEvent or something like that

unkempt pecan Jul 27, 2020, 2:39 PM

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I set the MOTD on a ProxyPingEvent,

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I can set a simple text Component, however the colour eg &4 doesn't work for me. What's the correct usage within a string to change that aspect's colour?

lean gobletBOT Jul 27, 2020, 2:39 PM

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you can set the color via the component

unkempt pecan Jul 27, 2020, 2:41 PM

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by .setColor?

lean gobletBOT Jul 27, 2020, 2:41 PM

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yes

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I suggest using the ComponentBuilder though, it makes creating formatted messages a bit easier especially if you want multiple colors

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(or convert from the legacy color codes with TextComponent#fromLegacyText)

unkempt pecan Jul 27, 2020, 2:42 PM

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What's the current colour code format?

lean gobletBOT Jul 27, 2020, 2:42 PM

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but there are also libraries that improve that format and add their own twist e.g. by xml or markdown inspiration (MiniMessage and MineDown)

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the current format is json encoded chat components

unkempt pecan Jul 27, 2020, 2:46 PM

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so, if I were to have something like this:
"&9A Minecraft Server&r\n&4Here is another line"
Would my best bet to be to split on & then parse that into a component builder?

molten jackal Jul 27, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Just built waterfall from sources, which jar should I use?

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OOP

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never mind

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i didnt read OMEGALUL

lean gobletBOT Jul 27, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Coolcal: you could translate the color codes to the legacy ones witht eh chatcolor method and then use fromLegacyText

chilly coral Jul 27, 2020, 5:59 PM

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is there an "easy" command to follow upstream version change ?

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because when i do ./waterfall merge in my own fork to follow waterfall update and that the version changed, the first patch with POM changes cannot by applied and i do it manually each time

civic valve Jul 27, 2020, 6:02 PM

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use travertime as a waterfall fork base

chilly coral Jul 27, 2020, 6:02 PM

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thats what i do

civic valve Jul 27, 2020, 6:02 PM

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./travertime up

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should pull changes

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then do ./travertime p

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then

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./travertime rb

chilly coral Jul 27, 2020, 6:03 PM

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that's what ./waterfall merge does

civic valve Jul 27, 2020, 6:03 PM

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ah

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does the same thing happen when done manually

chilly coral Jul 27, 2020, 6:05 PM

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for exemple: currently my fork (travertine based) is at version 1.16-R0.3-SNAPSHOT
if i do ./waterfall merge, it updates submodules to a Waterfall at version 1.16-R0.4-SNAPSHOT
then when it starts applying my patches, the first one is the POM changes (like this one: https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/blob/master/BungeeCord-Patches/0001-POM-Changes.patch)
at this point, the script fails and require me to resolve conflicts manually

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i think i missed a step for this kind of situation

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maybe cat or a maintainer could tell me their magic tricks

bleak current Jul 27, 2020, 6:08 PM

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you should do it like travertine then

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no, really

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https://github.com/mikroskeemsrealm/Firefly

GitHub

mikroskeemsrealm/Firefly

Waterfall fork. Contribute to mikroskeemsrealm/Firefly development by creating an account on GitHub.

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that's what i do

chilly coral Jul 27, 2020, 6:12 PM

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hum, did you only switched to gradle ? x)

bleak current Jul 27, 2020, 6:13 PM

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no

chilly coral Jul 27, 2020, 6:16 PM

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i might be blind

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(must)

bleak current Jul 27, 2020, 6:19 PM

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definitely

chilly coral Jul 27, 2020, 7:07 PM

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😩

scarlet anchor Jul 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Hello, where is the waterfall maven?

lean gobletBOT Jul 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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pretty sure it's in the general paper repo

scarlet anchor Jul 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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i don't find it

trail plume Jul 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Same maven repo as paper

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Artifact info is in the pins

scarlet anchor Jul 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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what is repository ?

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ok mb

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Hi, is there any way to modify Query response? I am using multiple travertines (waterfall fork) and I want to merge player amount also on query response

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If not then please - add special feature to do easy modify query responses with waterfall.
It will give some new possibilities to your awesome project and this change may push some bungee users to your fork just because of this small change c:

bleak current Jul 29, 2020, 8:24 AM

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query protocol is one of the most abused parts in bungee and its forks

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wouldn't recommend turning it on nowadays

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Some very popular server lists still use it and due to that lots of server owners are forced to have it turned on :/

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Yeah, we got attacked/ddosed on that port. Sadly some serverlists need it and don't even support specifying a different port 😄

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Damn.. I would like to drop all udp packets but problem is that I will stop exist on 1/3 server lists in my country 😦

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Thats why I am asking for extra query api :c

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Don't they only use that for player count and motd?

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Yep, I have messaged lists owners but most of them simply do not really care about moving from query to ping

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The problem is that they are 1, 3 and 6 in google result in my country if you type "minecraft server" 😄

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:34 AM

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german lists are also like that

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:35 AM

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So thats the problem - server lists. Until they will be very high in google search results, users like me can not disable query. Maybe moving query to separate .jar as server that does ping to specific port when someone query that port will be good idea?

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:35 AM

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the worst one at least supports querty port rerouting

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if you have a separate jar, that still suffers. At best it would be a separate server

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:37 AM

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You can use ProxyQueryEvent... but TBH you shouldn't enable query if you can help it

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:39 AM

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ProxyQueryEvent does not have any own method or I just can not search?
https://papermc.io/javadocs/waterfall/index.html?io/github/waterfallmc/waterfall/event/ProxyQueryEvent.html

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:39 AM

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This event will be posted whenever a Query request is received.

bleak current Jul 29, 2020, 8:39 AM

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probably failed delombok

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:39 AM

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F U C K L O M B O K

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just going to say it, Velocity is proudly Lombok-free

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so we have real javadoc

bleak current Jul 29, 2020, 8:41 AM

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bUT thAt mAKeS pORtiNg coDE frOm mY cUStoM 4000$ flAMeCurD forK hardEr

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:41 AM

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"flamecurd" 😂

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I enraged the Australian nutcase again https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/pull/2908#issuecomment-665508911

GitHub

Don't frame packets for dead connections by astei · Pull Request #2...

Prior fixes such as #2902, #2901, #2876, and #2719 (probably others) fail to actually fix this issue (known as "nullping" or "bungeesmasher" by users who don&...

bleak current Jul 29, 2020, 8:43 AM

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and we land stuck with a messy/incomplete solution rather than the issue remaining open and a proper solution being created.

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:43 AM

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I decided it'd be better to strike the concilatory tone than be mean

bleak current Jul 29, 2020, 8:44 AM

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man whole bungee is messy/incomplete solution

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and zero and perhaps negative interest from him to make it any better

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what a fucking perfectionist came out from him now

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Contributing is not supposed to be an exercise where you drop by, make the code the maintainer's problem because its convenient for you and then disappear forever
That's the optimal solution, but reality is that even the key persons in projects can vanish without further notice. We've been suffering from that quite often

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:46 AM

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I could have, if I wanted to, just unloaded on him, but I felt it'd be better to try and be civil

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:46 AM

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I've never seen any project like requesting that, though. They may only reject PRs because it's a too large maintenance burden, but they never except contributor maintenance

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:46 AM

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That was hard to do

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bUt We StIlL nEeD tO sUpPoRt JaVa 7 :(((((((((((((

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:47 AM

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yeah that doesn't help anybody, unfortunately. Occassionally I also need to do the Torvalds, but in this case...

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:47 AM

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who uses java 7 in 2020, lul

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Oh, he raised it to Java 8... in 2018 https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/commit/02a65e34cffd1bfb4777298d6e9334676c24edf6#diff-ae3d9336fffefe8131224e3f6a3f0ace

GitHub

#2479: Allow injection of BungeeCord commands to 1.13 with inject_c...

…mands option

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The only reason for the bump was because Mojang forced it

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Btw, why FlameCord is bad in your opinion? I saw you laught at it but I do not understand why - want just to know :x

"flamecurd" 😂
@weary grove

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:50 AM

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well starting with the fact that they sell such things instead of working with the community

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:51 AM

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the author of FlameCord has produced some truly awful patches to exploits and sell those "patches" instead of contributing them

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I have produced higher-quality patches for free in Velocity

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:52 AM

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I have produced higher-quality patches for free in Velocity
@weary grove
They are implemented into WaterFall? Or its your own fork :x?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:52 AM

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Velocity isn't a fork of BungeeCord, let alone Waterfall

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It's not a fork, so I have the liberty to implement features BungeeCord and Waterfall will never see in a million years

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:53 AM

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I first time hear of something called "Velocity". It is separate project?

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 8:53 AM

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but that one patch has been pulled into waterfall

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Yes, it was my patch that was pulled in

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Where can I find source of this project? :x

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:55 AM

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https://github.com/VelocityPowered/Velocity

GitHub

VelocityPowered/Velocity

A Minecraft server proxy with unparalleled server support, scalability, and flexibility. - VelocityPowered/Velocity

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:55 AM

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And it is not bungeecord fork :o?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:56 AM

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It's not a BungeeCord fork, period

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electroniccat, who maintains Waterfall for the most part, is all but urging people to use Velocity instead, and for good reason

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 8:59 AM

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This project is really that good? It is not in testing (ready for normal use)? I mean, if I would like to use it, do I have some risk of crashes or something like this?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 8:59 AM

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It's been ready for normal use for over a year now.

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I see it has lots of same classes as waterfall

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Any similarities you see are merely coincidential. Peek inside, it's very different.

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Well, time to try it 😄 Is there any wiki how to create plugin for it?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:01 AM

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The documentation isn't in good shape right now, but there's an effort to improve it.

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:02 AM

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So maybe some example of other plugin?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:02 AM

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https://docs.velocitypowered.com/en/latest/developers/creating-your-first-plugin.html and https://jd.velocitypowered.com/1.0.0/ are the best resources for now.

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For a very simple plugin: https://github.com/VelocityPowered/BungeeQuack/blob/master/src/main/java/com/velocitypowered/bungeequack/BungeeQuack.java

GitHub

VelocityPowered/BungeeQuack

BungeeCord plugin messaging channel support for Velocity - VelocityPowered/BungeeQuack

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More complex: https://github.com/NuVotifier/NuVotifier/tree/master/velocity/src/main/java/com/vexsoftware/votifier/velocity

GitHub

NuVotifier/NuVotifier

A fork of Votifier, with more robust code and vote forwarding - NuVotifier/NuVotifier

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Why is it better than bungeecord? Is there a major reason to move?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:03 AM

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performance is better, the API is better, security is much better, ...

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Ok, I see :x
Time to start moving into it. Thanks a lot for sacrifice of your time for someone random 😄

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Ah, I have one more question

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Does it support any mc version?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:06 AM

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1.8-1.16.1 for current stable version, 1.7.2-1.16.1 for the latest development version

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:07 AM

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1.7 - 1.16 is what I need. Thanks! dev versions are complied or I have to complie them myself?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:07 AM

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https://ci.velocitypowered.com/job/velocity-1.1.0/

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Note that 1.1.0 has a lot of API changes but still compatible with 1.0.x: https://jd.velocitypowered.com/1.1.0/

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Btw, didnt you create redisbungee? I remember your nickname from somewhere :x

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:08 AM

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if you have any more questions, please ask them in the Velocity Discord as this is not the right place to ask them

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Yes, I made RedisBungee and I both liked it and also really regret it.

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I have bought your premium plugin in ~2015 as I remember xD

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why you dropped it?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:09 AM

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IRL problems, lack of motivation

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Damn, I have reported bug on github with channel register. Due to this small mistake it is impossible to get information from spigot plugin point from redis :c

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:11 AM

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late 2014 through late 2017 were a very terrible time for me IRL

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well, too bad

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RedisBungee is dead

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Do not use it, it's not supported

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:11 AM

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There are no alternatives :c

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:11 AM

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And I sure as hell won't support RedisBungee for you

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In the past I thought about reviving it, but I've decided it's better for me to focus on Velocity and work towards proper multi-proxy support in Velocity instead.

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Velocity has multi-proxy feature?

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 9:13 AM

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It doesn't have that yet. In the future, yes, but not on the immediate horizon.

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 9:14 AM

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it has a very cool api tho, i really enjoy writing a plugin im working on, unlike my experience w bungee

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Well, it would be very nice if it would have it :x

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:17 AM

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General gist is that velocity is a much better option if you're starting up, and worth looking into switching; You see, being a fork it means that we're limited by upstream, literally every change also induces massive headaches because bungee just doesn't have the API that people need so people often go crazy with hacks to pull stuff off

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I literally had to revise a "simple" patch multiple times because plugins where messing around with stuff

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Main problem with Velocity is the community size and plugins amount created by them. Lets say I want to switch to Velocity right now. I am using just few plugins, RedisBungee, Motd-related plugin and MultiLobby. There is lots of work and testing to do before switching. Thats the problem when you create separated project from start :x

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:23 AM

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at the end of the day, a project like velocity wouldn't be viable without that split

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It was partially me which kinda like, lit the fire up his arse to actually pull it off lol

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 9:24 AM

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we're working on it, several people (me included) not involved with velocity's development but rather growth are putting time into making it viable for server owners ^^

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Tux does contrib stuff back to velocity, either directly or sometimes just throwing stuff on my backburner which I need to sorta catch up on without sheer death; Many of the improvements I've had over the years have often had a "oh shit, but the plugins"

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Maybe try to add tons of most used external features into in that project to make it more comfortable to switch? Like multiproxy, nice motd & server list formating options and so on

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Throwing all that stuff into the core project doesn't work too well

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At the end of the day, the power of these projects is in their ability to give you power to do what you want

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:26 AM

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So maybe split if for modules or something?

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:26 AM

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"multiproxy" is literally nothing, you just spin up proxies which do stuff

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Now, what do you want? player count sync? Well, which techs do you support?

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:27 AM

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by multiproxy - I mean sum of player count in ping/query listeners

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:27 AM

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It makes much sense to let the community dev those tools where they can actually account for users whims fast, without basically making velocity essentially act as multiple large projects together

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That's how you end up with stuff like CMI

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Yeah thats true but this project leaks of community members who would like to create plugins like this so it would be great idea to implement all this things to core just at beginning to raise community :x
I really enjoy your projects, they are awesome and very valuable. I am just giving you ideas to progress it

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 9:29 AM

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velocity's not in its beginning stages, that was 1-2 yrs ago

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and We Are Working On It™

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:31 AM

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but it's not great to implement that in the core

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It's easy to see why you'd thing it would

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but, that's essentially two projects in one

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For example, how do you get that information across proxies?

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The issue is that a "simple" feature for shading counts across servers is actually complex when you get to it, you can easily end up with another huge cludge of a project to maintain in your existing project that it just falls into the corner

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:33 AM

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For example, how do you get that information across proxies?
@trail plume Open special port/channel on one proxy and set all data in configuration on all rest

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:33 AM

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That's a bad setup

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That literally defeats a fair chunk of the gains of multi-proxy setups

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:34 AM

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So maybe move calculations into other server like redis?

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I do not know. I have no experience with things like this :c

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

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be glad, synchronising shit is the most annoying part of this game

plucky osprey Jul 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

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However most likely you are over-optimizing, velocity should work fine with large player counts

bleak current Jul 29, 2020, 9:38 AM

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heck, check into velocity discord for real-world pictures

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that how much it handled

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630+ players

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:39 AM

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By the way, is somewhere maven repo & dependeny information for travertine?

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 9:39 AM

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check papers nexus

bleak current Jul 29, 2020, 9:40 AM

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travertine has no api changes

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so simply use waterfall api

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:41 AM

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So maybe move calculations into other server like redis
And then somebody wants you to shove it into rabbitmq, or, somebody just wants to be able to hack it together on their existing infra with mysql, etc

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Where can I find data for it?

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:41 AM

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The issue is as I said, you make a project into two projects; It's much easier to just let the community deal with that

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I'd honestly be surprised it they didn't have something like that already, or, somebody didn't figure "Oh, I could do with that myself" and run off on it

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:44 AM

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And then somebody wants you to shove it into rabbitmq, or, somebody just wants to be able to hack it together on their existing infra with mysql, etc
@trail plume
So maybe give possibility for Velocity to be something like redis server if this feature will be enabled and it will just store player amounts and counts and listen for inside packets
V
/ | \
V V V
xD

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 9:44 AM

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if its necessary, its happened already

trail plume Jul 29, 2020, 9:44 AM

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And that's just stupid too

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once again, you literally kill the entire gains of multi-proxy

dense sphinx Jul 29, 2020, 9:45 AM

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but one Velocity in this case will not have opened port so you will have a gain

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 9:52 AM

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please just try it first, find its limits before asking how to expand them

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 1:39 PM

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There are some plugins I’m going to work on to make Velocity more useful

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I’m making an announcement plugin and will be porting over a hub balancer

lean gobletBOT Jul 29, 2020, 1:51 PM

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I started adding compatibility in to my resource packs plugins but no adventure was a bummer :S

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so I had to halt that xD

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 1:52 PM

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ban will probably never leave development :')

weary grove Jul 29, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I added adventure to my dev branch lol

lean gobletBOT Jul 29, 2020, 2:01 PM

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well that's not in the repo yet 👀

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or is there a dev repo that I could use

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(maven)

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 2:01 PM

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there is yeah

lean gobletBOT Jul 29, 2020, 2:02 PM

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good to know

wary inlet Jul 29, 2020, 2:02 PM

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not home tho, so check docs i guess?

cold jewel Jul 30, 2020, 6:29 AM

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hello do you know why the waterfall api jar only goes in classes and not sources https://read-my-man.ga/i6Qg7ElFBt.png

trail plume Jul 30, 2020, 6:29 AM

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you need to actually tell it to pull the sources jar

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i forget how

potent lichen Jul 30, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Download Sources and Documentation

shell lagoon Jul 30, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Sounds like this is intended for Paper and not Waterfall. Regardless, 1.12.2 is no longer supported.

atomic zodiac Jul 30, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Oh, I sent that in the wrong chat. I guess I'll move the message.

foggy shoal Jul 30, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Is the Waterfall plugin messaging channel the same as Bungeecord? As in, player.sendPluginMessage(this, "BungeeCord", out.toByteArray());

lean gobletBOT Jul 30, 2020, 10:49 PM

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yes

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:30 PM

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May I ask can waterfall run forge?

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:32 PM

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waterfall is a proxy

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:32 PM

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so what to combine waterfall to use with when I want to use waterfall with forge?

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:35 PM

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waterfall can be put in front of any server, if you want ip/uuid forwarding then it needs to support that. either natively (sponge) or via a mod

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:36 PM

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What mod?

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:37 PM

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fabric has one, I would assume one exists for forge servers as well

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Can anyone just kindly tell me what is the mod for forge servers for running waterfall?

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Phoenix can you please tell you the fabric one at least if you don't know the forge one at least

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:42 PM

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.g fabric proxy mod

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(phoenix616) https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/fabricproxy -- FabricProxy - Mods - Minecraft - CurseForge: "Fabric mod for support forward player data(UUID, skin, real ip...) from proxy ... Install. put jar into mods; start server; edit..."

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:47 PM

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.g proxy mod

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:48 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_proxy.html -- Apache Module mod_proxy: "The forward proxy is activated using the ProxyRequests directive. Because forward proxies allow clients to access arbitrary sites through ..."

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:49 PM

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.g forge proxy mod

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:49 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/concepts/sides/ -- Sides - Forge Documentation: "A very important concept to understand when modding Minecraft are the two sides: client and server. There are many, ..."

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:53 PM

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phoenix can you tell me the sponge plugin as well? or it include inside sponge?

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:53 PM

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sponge has support for bungee's forwarding built in

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:54 PM

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okay

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is there a version of waterfall of 1.12.2

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:55 PM

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the proxy supports all clients from 1.8 to latest

viscid river Aug 3, 2020, 12:56 PM

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okay thanks phoenix please tell me how to use forge with waterfall without using sponge or fabric thank you

lean gobletBOT Aug 3, 2020, 12:59 PM

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I don't know, I don't use forge

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als you should use the help channel for help

bleak current Aug 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Its my first time making a server, so I'm not really knowledgable

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So I was wondering where to find the version of waterfall for 1.12.2

potent lichen Aug 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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the latest version

bleak current Aug 4, 2020, 9:25 PM

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the latest version
@potent lichen
is it the one I can find here: https://papermc.io/downloads#Waterfall

potent lichen Aug 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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yes

bleak current Aug 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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#366?

potent lichen Aug 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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yes

bleak current Aug 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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ok thanks

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sorry its my first time

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thanks though

potent lichen Aug 4, 2020, 9:26 PM

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no issue

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by the way, I do not recommend you create a network from the beginning

bleak current Aug 4, 2020, 9:30 PM

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what do you mean?

potent lichen Aug 4, 2020, 9:30 PM

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#waterfall-help

chilly ember Aug 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Like im making a bungee plugin
And i need to get a servers Status like, Killed Stopped Restarting Starting
how can i do this?

trail plume Aug 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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best you can do is ping it and see it's up

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if you need to track state, that would depend on how you're running it, etc

chilly ember Aug 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Well what im trying to do is make it so it Tells someone with the permission that the server has gone down that its restarting if its been killed or stopped. Sorry this is my first plugin

trail plume Aug 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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The proxy quite simply can't know that

potent lichen Aug 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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you need to ping periodically

trail plume Aug 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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there is no way to track if it's starting/stopping, best you can check is "is it responding to pings"

chilly ember Aug 6, 2020, 2:19 AM

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So if it doesn't respond then its stopped / killed / restarting

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Okay this wont work I understand.

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my second idea but bigger, would be to make a plugin like deluxe tags but with Bungee / waterfall support and MySQL i have no idea how to do this. if someone can dm me and help me through it that would help.

potent lichen Aug 6, 2020, 1:17 PM

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have you made at least a Bukkit plugin before? If you have no idea what you're doing I would suggest to start smaller

oak lion Aug 11, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Is it possible to make the LivingEntity.damage method Not call the EntityDamagedByEntity event

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nvm

radiant oak Aug 11, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Why does it say waterfall 1.15.2

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I installed the newest version

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It doesn't say on the download page for which version it is

chilly coral Aug 11, 2020, 5:12 PM

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waterfall is not mc version specific

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latest works from 1.8 to 1.16.1

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if you need 1.7 go with Travertine

radiant oak Aug 11, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Oh?

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But then how do I tell it which versions players should be able to join with

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For some reason it wouldn't let me join my server with 1.16.2

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I don't have viaversion

chilly coral Aug 11, 2020, 5:19 PM

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waterfall is not 1.16.2 compatible yet (not even BungeeCord)

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the version check is forwarded to the backend server (aka paper/spigot...)

rustic rain Aug 11, 2020, 5:28 PM

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sometimes waterfall even updates before bungeecord

trail plume Aug 11, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I don't have internet, so, unless somebody PRs it, probs not gonna happen, don't feel like tethering for that

wide maple Aug 11, 2020, 7:18 PM

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https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/pull/560 @trail plume if you want

GitHub

1.16.2 Temporary support patch by Xernium · Pull Request #560 · Pa...

@electronicboy there you go.

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pepega

wide maple Aug 11, 2020, 8:17 PM

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noticed f*cked packet offsets

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sec

wide maple Aug 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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fixed

chilly coral Aug 11, 2020, 9:59 PM

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wow, md removed entity rewriters for 1.16+

wide maple Aug 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

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@chilly coral we both know that since I hard-wired 1.16 to always resend join-game its become redundant

chilly coral Aug 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

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yeye

wide maple Aug 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

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so good on him in that regard

chilly coral Aug 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

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a step in the right direction

fringe aspen Aug 11, 2020, 11:23 PM

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@trail plume beep boop about my pr (soon pls i have need for it this weekend)

wary inlet Aug 11, 2020, 11:25 PM

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might as well just fork..?

wide maple Aug 12, 2020, 8:39 AM

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I’ll do the 1.16.2 update for both waterfall and travertine in about an hour if nobody else objects

random comet Aug 12, 2020, 9:30 AM

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PES2_Pray

wide maple Aug 12, 2020, 11:05 AM

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should I adjust the POM on Waterfall with https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/pull/561 ?

GitHub

1.16.2 Update by Xernium · Pull Request #561 · PaperMC/Waterfall

@electronicboy did I miss something? Should I be changing the pom version?
Feel free to add edits

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I'll hold off with Travertine until this is merged

wary inlet Aug 12, 2020, 11:10 AM

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we don't publish the modules changed, so i don't reckon that'd be necessary

wide maple Aug 12, 2020, 11:11 AM

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I'll head to the gym in a few @trail plume if nothing else I'll do Travertine after if you dont have objections

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aight off to the gym. I'll be back in 2h roughly

bleak current Aug 12, 2020, 12:35 PM

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If ProxyServer.getInstance().getProtocolVersion() is deprecated what should be used to get the protocol version?

chilly coral Aug 12, 2020, 1:05 PM

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what do you need ?

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the protocol version of the proxy makes no sense

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the proxy knows almost every release protocols

bleak current Aug 12, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Thats a good point, i guess the protocolVersion of the client would work

wide maple Aug 12, 2020, 1:53 PM

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guess I am now doing Travertine

wide maple Aug 12, 2020, 2:14 PM

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done

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lets hope I didnt blow anything up

outer cosmos Aug 12, 2020, 2:24 PM

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@bleak current https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/blob/master/api/src/main/java/net/md_5/bungee/api/connection/PendingConnection.java

PendingConnection#getVersion()

should work. Same on Waterfall.

GitHub

SpigotMC/BungeeCord

BungeeCord, the 6th in a generation of server portal suites. Efficiently proxies and maintains connections and transport between multiple Minecraft servers. - SpigotMC/BungeeCord

bleak current Aug 12, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Ye i ended up going with that one cheers 😉

nimble vale Aug 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Where can I find in waterfall code version name? Is it possible at all to change it this way? I want to change version supported by my server.

potent lichen Aug 12, 2020, 3:59 PM

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code version name

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What is this?

nimble vale Aug 12, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I'm thinking about "1.8.x, 1.9.x, 1.10.x, 1.11.x, 1.12.x, 1.13.x, 1.14.x, 1.15.x, 1.16.x (Waterfall)"

lean gobletBOT Aug 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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waterfall.yml has a setting for that

chilly coral Aug 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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You can edit this in waterfall.yml

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:(

lean gobletBOT Aug 12, 2020, 4:01 PM

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:P

nimble vale Aug 12, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Ah, I didn't know that, much thanks

bleak current Aug 13, 2020, 3:24 AM

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How do I cancel Bungee from sending players to certain servers when it receives a plugin message

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I need to intercept and send the player to a different server

analog ivy Aug 13, 2020, 7:13 AM

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@bleak current Maybe with ServerSwitchEvent ?

bleak current Aug 13, 2020, 3:47 PM

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yeah, but I cant get the target server

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I need to know where they are trying to go

molten jackal Aug 13, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I can help one second

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I did this

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you want the ServerConnectEvent

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the ServerConnectEvent#getTarget method will give you the target ServerInfo

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you can also get a reason with ServerConnectEvent#getReason

bleak current Aug 13, 2020, 4:06 PM

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but doesnt changing the target involve re-triggering the event

molten jackal Aug 13, 2020, 4:06 PM

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No sir

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I made my own server designator using purely the ServerConnectEvent

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using ServerConnectEvent#setTarget(ServerInfo) it will change the destination for that event

bleak current Aug 13, 2020, 4:07 PM

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ok well I'll try that and @you when I'm done

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thx

molten jackal Aug 13, 2020, 4:07 PM

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do note cancelling the event when they are joining with reason JOIN_PROXY you need to call ProxiedPlayer#disconnect

bleak current Aug 13, 2020, 11:28 PM

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@molten jackal it isn't working, but I'm not quite sure why

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I'll send gitlab repo in a sec, need to push some other stuff

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Okay -> https://gitlab.com/robogaming/serversender

GitLab

Projects · robog / ServerSender

The replacement for PurgatoryOTF, much simpler, works with MongoDB

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I think the culprit is

String address = document.getString("address").split(":")[0];
int port = Integer.parseInt(document.getString("address").split(":")[1]);
event.setTarget(getProxy().constructServerInfo(
        document.getString("uuid"),
        new InetSocketAddress(address, port),
        "motd",
        false
));

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Since I might need to add the constructed serverInfo to getProxy().getServers()

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Actually, I just figured out the issue. It wasn't anything with bungee, my servers just didn't care to tell the database that they had been shutdown, so it just kept trying to send me to nonexistent servers

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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mongodb pepega

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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yeah it's actually pretty great

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especially compared to shiver SQL

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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it's pretty great for data you don't care about

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:49 AM

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really?

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I guess a dynamic server registry counts as data you don't care about

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I've found it to be robust

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I've found it to be a disaster.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Okay, well it does get messy from time to time, but once you learn the ropes you can clean up the extra objects and also you learn to stop creating them in the first place

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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MongoDB needs to be left behind in 2012 where it belongs.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Ok then what do you use

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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PostgreSQL.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:51 AM

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ew

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SQL is gross

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and has security issues up the wazoo

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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SQL may be archic but I'm not going to complain about 50-year-old technology that "just works"

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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true, but I bet your server doesnt run debian

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Security issues? Googles "mongodb security issues"

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Oh, I see... all the open, exposed MongoDB databases with poor authentication.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:52 AM

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yes

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mine is not

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because unlike most minecraft server owners

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I'm over the age of 5

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Insecure defaults are a pretty bad mark in my book

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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umm

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all defaults are insecure?

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thats why you always change the defaults

violet saffron Aug 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Ooo like the meow thingy?

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Also, SQL injections are bad, but NoSQL injection attacks also exist.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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yeah

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but not in mongo

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:54 AM

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The class of attacks is actually quite generic.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:55 AM

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because of the "drivers"

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:55 AM

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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=6fw1X6y0J4ed5wLij464Bw&q=NoSQL+injection+mongodb&oq=NoSQL+injection+mongodb&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCAAyAggAMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgQIABBHOgQIABBDOggIABAWEAoQHjoFCCEQoAE6BAgAEA06CAgAEA0QBRAeOggIABAIEA0QHjoGCAAQDRAeUPXPAVih6gFgquwBaAVwAXgAgAGEAYgBkgmSAQQxMS4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjszJDT2JnrAhWHzlkKHeKHA3cQ4dUDCAs&uact=5

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:55 AM

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idk why they call them that they are really just API's but whatever

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:55 AM

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something something google search proves you wrong

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 2:55 AM

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umm no

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that article explains issues in your code that cause injection vulnerabilities

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at that point they are just RCE's

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oof that's a sad spelling mistake to make

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 2:57 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs

YouTube

gar1t

Episode 1 - Mongo DB Is Web Scale

Q&A discussion discussing the merits of No SQL and relational databases.

▶ Play video

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Basically, security-wise, MongoDB ends up no better than any regular, boring relational DB.

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In some regards, it's probably worse.

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 2:58 AM

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but it's fast as hell!

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 2:58 AM

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writing to /dev/null is also fast as hell

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and web-scale

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 2:59 AM

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am switching all my projects to /dev/null/!!!!

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I don't deny that MongoDB is appropriate for some use cases, mostly there where data loss is acceptable

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:00 AM

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What causes mongo data loss

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I still see no proof

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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you never write anything in mongodb

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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this is like bsd peeps saying "omg ext4 will lose your data use zfs" when ext4 hasn't lost my data

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 3:01 AM

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not the same

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mongo doesn't write data until after the query completes

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where as mysql will block the query until its saved

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so you know when you complete a mysql query, your data was stored

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mongodb writes it later

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while storing everything in memory for perf

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:04 AM

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I don't use mongo because it's new (and also it's really not at this point), I use it because I hate tables and like how it stores data. It is fast enough, it is good enough and it has features that I like. Enjoy your tables, but I am going to enjoy programming.

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:05 AM

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What it boils down to is that for years, MongoDB prioritized performance and marketing over actually storing your data.

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This is consistent, do your own research on this if you don't believe me.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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That's fine. Performance is important in a lot of cases, and honestly when was the last time you shut down your server? So I think I will stick with mongo. I haven't lost data even in the case of a sudden power outage, and that seems pretty robust to me.

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Laziness is never a valid technical reason IMO, but whatever. Personally, I think a lot of the usecases MongoDB serves today could be done better with practically any relational DB.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Laziness?

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What about wanting to make programming easier is lazy?

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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@bleak current I shut down one of my servers a month ago for a migration. It happens more commonly than you think, power loss, networking issues, all of this stuff has to be accounted for.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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yes

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but

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like I said

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twice I've lost power

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no data

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I've restarted like 5 times in the past month

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but still

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Squealing over the uptime command is useless other than acquiring cool internet guy points.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:07 AM

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no

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I'm just saying that saving 24/7 is really not important

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Okay, that's pretty reductionist.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:08 AM

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okay, I'm just going to stop arguing. I like mongo because of what makes it mongo. not what makes it "good"

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please let me know if you have actual proof of data loss

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/01/11/thousands-of-mongodb-databases-compromised-and-held-to-ransom/
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-meow-attack-has-deleted-almost-4-000-unsecured-databases/

Naked Security

Bill Brenner

Thousands of MongoDB databases compromised and held to ransom

MongoDB databases are being hit by an attacker demanding a 0.2BTC ransom

BleepingComputer

New ‘Meow’ attack has deleted almost 4,000 unsecured databases

Dozens of unsecured databases exposed on the public web are the target of an automated 'meow' attack that wipes data without any explanation.

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Want more?

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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umm that's a security issue

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:10 AM

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This ties into another point: MongoDB had awful security problems for a long time.

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Insecure, unsafe defaults was the price paid in 2010-2013 to get a bad product into users' hands, and we suffer for it.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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dude

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Now, in fairness to MongoDB

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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thats like saying routers stink because dumb people keep default passwords

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routers are a great tool

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when used right

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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The software has matured, catastrophic data loss bugs are far less likely now than they were then.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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yes

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exactly

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:12 AM

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But the history is not confidence-inspiring.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:12 AM

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okay well you and I both know that bugs get patched

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thats how they work

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oh

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hypixel uses mongo

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Yeah, they're dumb for using it, but whatever.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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yeah dumb

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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They're Hypixel, they can make it work.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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just like google and facebook

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:13 AM

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They have money to do it.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:14 AM

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its almost like all these successful companies are using newer technologies... weird...

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it's almost like, they're not that bad?

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??

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idk I'm probably just some 7 year old who knows nothing

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:16 AM

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It's almost like "they had a specific need to solve", they wrote some technical papers about it, and then people saw those papers, and drew the wrong conclusion

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I have a specific need to solve

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I don't want tables

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it's a chronic illness, really

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:16 AM

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I have a specific need to solve

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I like data integrity

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:17 AM

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I have that too

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Thankfully, relational DBs solved that a long time ago.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:17 AM

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No

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file systems solved that one

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but we arent using thos now are we

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sometimes stuff from the 1990s is worth leaving in the 1990s

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I wonder how you're able to boot up Discord to chat with me... thonk

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You had to load the client from a file system, no?

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Or maybe you use the browser... how'd you load the browser? Magic?

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:19 AM

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yep

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magic

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🙃

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but you see what I mean

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I've actually gathered a wealth of information on why MongoDB is awful, I'm just too lazy to dig it up.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:20 AM

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just because it's old doesnt mean it's bad, just because it's new doesn't mean its bad

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:21 AM

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And just because Google and Facebook needed to eschew relational databases for certain use cases doesn't mean relational databases are automatically a stupid, antiquated concept.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:21 AM

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yes

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agreed

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Point is, I believe in picking the right tool for the job, and I've concluded MongoDB is never the right tool.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Okay well that's like saying that SQL is never the right tool

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Which I don't do by the way. It does have it's uses.

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 3:23 AM

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no, false equivalence

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:23 AM

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But, in my object-oriented language, I like having object-oriented (document-oriented I guess) databases

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omg yeah false equivalence

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okay

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well whatever

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you guys are just trying to be toxic at this point

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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And therein lies the impedence mismatch. MongoDB bills itself as a table-less, schema-less database.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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I only am here because I actually thought mongo had an issue

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with data integrity

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and it really does not

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so I'm going to keep using it

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thanks for nothing

stone fiber Aug 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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simmer down

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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The problem is that instead you get implicit schemas, and by the time you have to tame that, it's too late.

stone fiber Aug 14, 2020, 3:24 AM

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someone disagreeing with you doesnt make them toxic

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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yeah but completely trashing on mongo with no agreement is pretty toxic

stone fiber Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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if you cant handle the discussion, dont participate in it

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🙄

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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but.. this is waterfall-dev

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Also, ORMs exist for relational DBs too.

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Tux is giving valid criticisms

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it's not trashing

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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He's not though

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his issues have been patched

civic valve Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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I trust Tux's experience over yours any day

stone fiber Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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"I disagree with what you say therefore it's toxic"

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:26 AM

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I guess you could look at it like that

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:26 AM

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If your data genuinely has no structure, and it's not at all important to you, MongoDB is the right tool for the job. The problem is that my data often has structure and is very important to me.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:26 AM

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but my data has no structure, and is important

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I think that mongo is the right tool for that

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since my data is mostly just attached to players or servers

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so it makes sense to just use documents

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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We attach a lot of data to players and servers, and we successfully model those relations on a relational DB.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:27 AM

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True

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But documents make it easier to think about and view that data

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It's like how all JS objects can be immediately saved as JSON

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Furthermore, relational DBs have since grown support for JSON and querying JSON documents.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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but... that's not how they are designed

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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It's clearly useful to store unstructured data in a relational DB.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:28 AM

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thats a more hacky-patchy way

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it is baked into mongo's every substance

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and that's why I like it

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because it thinks how java thinks (and C#, and javascript, and python, and every other OOP language)

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Again, schema-less really means implicit schemas.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:30 AM

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honestly

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I don't like that mongo is schema-less

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Because like you say

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implicit schemas

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:30 AM

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And also, having learned about software engineering, I can assure you OOP is not "schema-less"

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Yes

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exactly

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thats why I dislike the schema-less ness

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it fits much better with JS

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however, it still works aside from a few minor headaches here and there

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:32 AM

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In fact, schemas are extremely common in OOP. They can be fluid during the development and evolution of an application, but that doesn't really invalidate my point: SQL schemas can be fluid and evolve too.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:32 AM

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In my opinion, schema-less headaches are much better than converting all your objects into tables

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serialization is not fun, ever

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I hope you can at least agree with that

weary grove Aug 14, 2020, 3:34 AM

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In my opinion, the headache inherit in planning and setting up a proper schema for your data greatly outweights the complexity of trying to retrofit those updates on later. This has bitten me so many times.

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Serialization is not fun, that's why so many people have invested in writing wrappers so we can do less of that manually.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:36 AM

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good point, good point

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For my closing argument, I would just like to say, if SQL is the "default" for you, then why can't Mongo be the default for me?

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I think MongoDB excels in specific use cases, you always have to consider if it's the right tool for the job as with anything.

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For example if you want to log a data set that you have no control over and that changes regularly, mongo can be pretty useful.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:41 AM

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yeah, like a server manager database.

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:)

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:41 AM

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When you are designing something structured I think SQL generally is better.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Agreed

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Like all internal design.

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Server manager db?

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Yes it holds whether they are started, player count, IP, etc.

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All stuff that needs to be constantly updated

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Honestly I was thinking of using Redis but that wouldn't be good if I restarted my DB but not my servers

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It needs some persistence

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:43 AM

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I'd say it depends, I think I'd personally prefer SQL in that specific case probably.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Really? Why exactly?

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Well it sounds like you have complete control over the schema, which I feel is where SQL excels. There is a level of development burden in that when you change things, but I think it's worth it.

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When I say mongo is good, I'm thinking if you're ingesting a huge API that regularly has breaking changes and you don't want the headache of maintaining an accurate schema.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I kind of have control over the schema, but like you said I actually change it quite frequently

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I try to release new minigames every 1-2 weeks so if the minigame has, for example, a rejoining feature I need to store a list of the players that should be re-sent to it even if the game is already started

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and I add these extremely frequently

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:47 AM

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You can use it in that case, I generally feel that choice is mostly about if you care about data consistency and historic data.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:47 AM

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historic data?

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:48 AM

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So if you're not just storing one row per server for example, and want history, that can be a difficult thing to maintain in a schemaless model.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:48 AM

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huh... I see how it would be difficult to maintain, but it definitely wouldn't be too difficult to implement

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Correct, mongo is easy to implement.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Yes

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that's a big deal for me

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:49 AM

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That's one of it's strengths, because it doesn't have a schema.

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:49 AM

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especially with the whole minigame every 1-2 weeks 😬

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it gets hard to fix bugs sometimes... so I like to just not have them in the first place

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Even if you don't use SQL in a project it is however (in my opinion) important to learn how to manage schema changes in it, you can actually apply them to NoSQL programmatically

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Anyway

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:51 AM

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yes?

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do you have a question about waterfall 🙃

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we really need a #database channel

dim gust Aug 14, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Nah I was saying anyway because I was talking too much about db's in a waterfall channel 😛

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 4:03 AM

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okay

thick pendant Aug 14, 2020, 2:14 PM

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how can i travertine scripts to pull ?

thick pendant Aug 14, 2020, 2:46 PM

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any idea guys?

potent lichen Aug 14, 2020, 2:56 PM

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SQL is my favourite. Far better than MongoDB

thick pendant Aug 14, 2020, 3:21 PM

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guys help me please

chilly coral Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 PM

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what do you want ?

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update your travertine fork ?

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update you travertine server ?

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:25 PM

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#waterfall-github

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thonk

chilly coral Aug 14, 2020, 3:26 PM

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yes i saw but was not the same name so "maybe" not the same person 🤷‍♂️

bleak current Aug 14, 2020, 3:26 PM

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mega sus

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but fair

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linsaftw is the same guy who maintains this shitty flamecord claiming it's magical and fixes everything

chilly coral Aug 14, 2020, 3:29 PM

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it could be, but not verry ethic to sell it imo

thick pendant Aug 14, 2020, 3:32 PM

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who?

potent lichen Aug 14, 2020, 4:28 PM

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How would one check offline player permissions on BungeeCord?

trail plume Aug 14, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Bungee has no concept of offline playera

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S

potent lichen Aug 14, 2020, 4:36 PM

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yeah I know

trail plume Aug 14, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Would depend on the perm plugin

potent lichen Aug 14, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I was considering a PermissionCheckEvent and implementing CommandSender

trail plume Aug 14, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Well, I'm convinced LP wouldn't be happy with that

potent lichen Aug 14, 2020, 4:37 PM

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haha, yeah

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i think i will just drop the idea

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 11:54 AM

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Does connection#getSocketAddress() returns a domain or an ip?

dry pulsar Aug 15, 2020, 3:07 PM

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so i dont understand waterfall, after you are sent to a subserver, can plugins on that server import classes from the waterfall jar?

molten jackal Aug 15, 2020, 3:39 PM

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@near hamlet it returns a socket address. If I recall correctly you can call getAddress and then getHostName on that value for a string version of the ip

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@dry pulsar waterfall is a completely separate program from spigot. So no. Unless you were to shade waterfall into your spigot or plugin but your really don’t want to do that

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@molten jackal I want to get the hostname which is used from the user to connect. Is it possible?

molten jackal Aug 15, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Yes

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Can you tell me how?

molten jackal Aug 15, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I did lol

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 3:44 PM

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oh ok

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thank you

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 4:15 PM

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@molten jackal (sorry for pinging) Is it possible to get the subserver to connect in the LoginEvent

lapis glade Aug 15, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Bro is this Flamecord developer really serious? he says he cant update because he doesnt know how to use git

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wtf

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 4:17 PM

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FlameCord

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?

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what is that?

lapis glade Aug 15, 2020, 4:17 PM

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fork of tavertine that "fixes exploits"

tall canyon Aug 15, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Bro is this Flamecord developer really serious? he says he cant update because he doesnt know how to use git
smh

lapis glade Aug 15, 2020, 4:17 PM

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but the lead developer doesnt know how to use git

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 4:18 PM

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ok

weary grove Aug 15, 2020, 4:57 PM

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thonk

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I mean

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He's literally stuck at step 3

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At this point, the literal only help you could give him is a tutorial on git...

tall canyon Aug 15, 2020, 4:59 PM

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considering he's the lead developer for the proxy, how else did he make updates???

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:03 PM

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He didn't

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My best guess is that each update he "starts again"

tall canyon Aug 15, 2020, 5:03 PM

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then how did he get the lead developer role in the project?

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like this is confusing

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:03 PM

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He started it himself

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you can be lead of a pile of shit if you lay the foundation yourself

tall canyon Aug 15, 2020, 5:04 PM

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then how he even finished the thing if he cant even make a commit

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:04 PM

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well

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rewrite patches Ig

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this is cringe

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:05 PM

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sanity would have been to use one of the travertine fork things which are already based on travertine

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Is it bad that I used interactive three-way merging to do the 1.16.2 update on Travertine? Took total about 4 minutes

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pepega

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:34 PM

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I mean, I generally use git on the CLI and then just do the rest in my IDE

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Never been fond of 3 way as you don't often get to see the full context

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Not an issue for me, I’m used to that. Always use it to resolve merge conflict at work

tall canyon Aug 15, 2020, 5:35 PM

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if only i was actually CODING stuff and not just making a translation for a single plugin, maybe i would have a use in git lol

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:35 PM

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only caveat is to find an option which works

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Heck, I've abused apatch more times that I probably should have

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:35 PM

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As long as it works

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I mean

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:36 PM

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apatch works

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apatch also makes a total mess of classes

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:36 PM

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That’s the reason I use i3w

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I've had cases where I've looked at a patch and figured "fuck that"

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fired up apatch and it just ran over it and cleaned it up with literally 0 issues

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I've had smaller patches where it just... oh god....

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:37 PM

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As long as it works it’s game

random comet Aug 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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this is why id trust cat to "fix exploits" instead of some fork

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Velocity

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velocityblue

random comet Aug 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

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not rly a option if you have been using a bunch of bungee plugins for years

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:40 PM

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If they’re open source I can port them

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I really have a burning hatred for bungeecord

random comet Aug 15, 2020, 5:40 PM

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theyre not and the dev mostly moved on

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with life

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Which plugins?

random comet Aug 15, 2020, 5:41 PM

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theyre private ones

wide maple Aug 15, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Ah, too bad then

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Downfall of being a fork is having to maintain upstream

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a lot of stuff I've pushed off due to a mixture of health and "that's probs gonna break some plugins"

near hamlet Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Is it possible to get the subserver to connect in the LoginEvent

chilly coral Aug 15, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Could be great to have a byof for travertine or waterfall

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But it could help Flamecord's dev so dunno if its worth it lol

random comet Aug 15, 2020, 6:56 PM

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in the end it was himself he could not patch

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pepelaugh

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 6:57 PM

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byof was forked out of my own personal needs

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Not like there isn't already forks of travertine out there for this

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Not our job to teach tooling like "welcome to git"

tall canyon Aug 15, 2020, 7:00 PM

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we need to stop forking everything

trail plume Aug 15, 2020, 7:02 PM

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there are valid reasons for forking

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e.g. I literally ripped out the entire chat system in my fork

marble flint Aug 16, 2020, 11:57 AM

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Is there a way to use Brigadier with Waterfall/BungeeCord API? Paper has already a module for that, is there something like that on Waterfall?

molten jackal Aug 16, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I am using this code (https://hasteb.in/ewexakid.java) to make it so if X server shuts down, all players are redirected to an optimal limbo server. The selecting of the target server and determining the kicked from server work as intended, debug messages are as expected. However when the event is cancelled, the player is not sent to the target server, is left on the old server (which is offline now!) and they time out. I used this code on 1.15.2 and worked as intended. Has something changed that I'm unaware of, or is this a bug? I am using Waterfall build #370 (latest as of right now).

tall canyon Aug 16, 2020, 6:03 PM

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ummmm

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did you know that fallback servers exist?

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so your entire thing is useless?

molten jackal Aug 16, 2020, 6:29 PM

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If you read my message I choose an optimal limbo server to send them to. This means: 1) it is online 2) it has the least amount of players on it already 3) it is hooked into my server manager.

molten jackal Aug 16, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I figured out my issue. It had to do with my server designator code. I was not sending the player to a correct server in the instance of shutting down the server like stated before

snow bolt Aug 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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how is this a waterfall development issue?

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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how this is a waterfall issue

spark sluice Aug 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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wrong section(

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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how to set a custom uuid with waterfall when u connect a player to a paper server ?

civic valve Aug 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Why, what are you trying to do

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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i want to have a database for premium and crack player, but if i take username for key, i can have problem with premium player, and if i take uuid in key, i have a problem with crack player if i don't set an uuid at paper connection with waterfall

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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w h a t

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what is a pseudo?

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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string, the name of the player

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username

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sorry lmao

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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ok cool

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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it's "username" in my language

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:27 PM

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why would you have problems w/ offline players by using uuids?

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they still have uuids

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:27 PM

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they don't have random uuid ?

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if i store them in a database, i'm fucked, no ?

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:27 PM

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they have a random uuid upon their first join

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then their uuid is the same

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:28 PM

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on each bungee connection ?

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:28 PM

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oh well now i understand the issue

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:29 PM

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do you have an idea ?

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:(

civic valve Aug 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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We don't support offline mode here

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:45 PM

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yeah, it's so nice to say bullshit when u have an option "online-mode" in waterfall

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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what is your issue again?

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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i want to have a database for premium and crack player, but if i take username for key, i can have problem with premium player, and if i take uuid in key, i have a problem with crack player if i don't set an uuid at paper connection with waterfall
@warm shell

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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both offline and online players have UUIDs

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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they are inconsistent between servers

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that's the problem

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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they aren't?

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it's based on the username for offline mode players

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not random

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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wait le what

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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it's not random ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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offline mode uuids are taken by adding a prefix to the player username and then using the digest of the resulting string

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and that becomes the UUID

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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oh

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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look it up, the exact algorithm is up somewhere

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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ok, i go check it, a lot of people say it's random on the internet, it's why i haven't checked

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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a lot of people are retarded on the internet

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and also wrong

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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so if i join 2 different offline-mode servers
my uuid will be the same between the two?

trail plume Aug 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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online mode UUIDs are random

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yes

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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i thought they are just random

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like completely random, not dependant on anything

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:51 PM

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if they were 100% random

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then every offline mode server would have to store a massive file that maps every known username to its uuid

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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i dont understand why tho

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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well

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player name MaximusMan joins

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what is his UUID?

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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you get a uuid, you find the file with that uuid, and that file has the username

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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it needs to match the UUID you gave him last time

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because his data is identified by that UUID

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:53 PM

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oh

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it's true

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i tested and it's not random at all

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thanks bro

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:53 PM

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oh now it makes sense

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:53 PM

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online mode servers do have to pull the UUID for each username from a "massive file"

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because they are random

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that massive file happens to be either usercache.json or mojang's API

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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the uuid on online mode are random only on the account creation, no ?

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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yes

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but on PlayerJoinEvent servers have to check the username to see what uuid they have

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because its actually random

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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yeah ok i see

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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you see, that "massive file" is always the same

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unless they change their username

trail plume Aug 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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servers aren't given the UUID, they have to go look that up themselves

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they get the players username though

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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so, we need to check if the player is premium (for database purpose) or store the uuid created with the username if the player is not premium

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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just use the uuid

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no bells or whistles required

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unless you want to implement username changes for offline mode players

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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i want to implement auto connect for premium player

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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i said exactly that?

servers aren't given the UUID, they have to go look that up themselves

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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the easiest way to do that is to use a separate auth server

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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how ?

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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oh god my messages are delayed

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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so let's say you have your regular offline mode server

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now, you start a bungeecord proxy

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that points to that server

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you set online mode to true in bungee, and enable ip forwarding

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then, you write a plugin on the bungee server and on the backend server

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that automatically logs in the player if they are coming from the proxy

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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you set online mode to true in bungee, and enable ip forwarding
wait what

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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because if they are coming from the proxy, they are premium and have been authenticated against mojang's auth servers

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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and for offline player ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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offline players connect to the backend server directly

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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wait

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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i want to have the same ip for offline and online player

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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not easily doable

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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but they still have to pass the proxy

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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you see, in order to check whether a player is premium or cracked

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you need to ask them to auth against the mojang auth servers

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which will cause a cracked player to disconnect

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:03 PM

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understandable

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:03 PM

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we can't "cancel" that ?

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:03 PM

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ok

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no its not even a kick iirc

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:03 PM

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the disconnection is handled on the client

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because the client has to contact mojang's auth servers as well for the auth process

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and mojang boots the client out and the client disconnects

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so, the sanest solution is to just have two ports/ip's; one for cracked, one for premium

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besides, doing that will let you register on premium-only server lists

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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i guess

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but they wont be able to play with each other?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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because the other ip "is premium"

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bungee is a proxy

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the player only connects the proxy for the auth

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and either gets kicked because they're cracked

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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they can player with each other, a same server can be connected on multiple proxy

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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or is funneled into the backend server

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where they are auto logged in and then play with the other players

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:05 PM

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is it possible to set online mode to false, and use a plugin trick to check if a player is crack or not and set the mojang uuid is it's a premium account ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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yeah

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you will have to have the backend server in offline mode

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and then communicate with the bungeecord server to figure out the player's actual online mode UUID

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and use that

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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how i give the mojang uuid

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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FastLogin can use Mojang UUIDs for the server

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It also has a bungee version

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:07 PM

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set it using the player profile in asyncprelogin event

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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how ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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using java

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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there is no "set uuid" on asyncplayerprelogin bungee

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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there sure is

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not on bungee

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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oh, it's on spigot ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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on the backend

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and the method is on the profile, not the event

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the event just exposes the profile

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:09 PM

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what do u mean by profile ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:09 PM

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https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.15/org/bukkit/event/player/AsyncPlayerPreLoginEvent.html

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:10 PM

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lmao i was using https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/event/player/AsyncPlayerPreLoginEvent.html

AsyncPlayerPreLoginEvent (Spigot-API 1.16.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT API)

declaration: package: org.bukkit.event.player, class: AsyncPlayerPreLoginEvent

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it make sense now

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:10 PM

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there's a plugin i mentioned that can do just that

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:11 PM

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yeah, but i prefer to keep a hand on what my server is doing lmao

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:11 PM

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he's asking how to implement this, not what plugin to use

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:11 PM

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k

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:11 PM

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i implemented it myself as well, there's nothing wrong with making your own solutions for things

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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so, i need to send a message from bungee to paper and change the profile if it's a premium account ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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myes

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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or paper alone can do it ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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well, you need to contact the proxy to know if it's a premium player

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you can't ask the player, because that'll kick the player if they're cracked

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just making sure that the player is connecting from the proxy is enough

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because if they are, they are for sure premium

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:13 PM

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they is a method on bungee to see if it's a premium account ?

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:13 PM

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no

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:14 PM

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you need to see if the player is connecting from the proxy

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:14 PM

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the player connecting through bungee and not getting kicked means they are a premium player

tall canyon Aug 18, 2020, 6:14 PM

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because if they are, that means they passed the authentication

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:14 PM

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if they are cracked, they will be kicked before they get to your backend server

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:14 PM

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but i want to only have one ip for the premium and the cracked

tribal jacinth Aug 18, 2020, 6:15 PM

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well

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like already discussed

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not reasonably possible

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to do that you need to dive deep into packet fucknuggetry and the network protocol

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and figure out a smart way to tell a premium and a cracked player apart

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tbh; just use fastlogin at that point

warm shell Aug 18, 2020, 6:16 PM

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hm, ok, i have idea of how doing it now

sturdy nymph Aug 19, 2020, 7:25 AM

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@wide maple I don't know when you will be online, but can I ask you some questions about the changes in 1.16 that affected my AutoReconnect plugin? I will probably sleep sometime soon though, and I'm guessing it's very early in the morning for you when I am sending this, so idk what would be best.

wide maple Aug 19, 2020, 5:30 PM

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@sturdy nymph generally- If you switch servers you will need to resend a joingame that is a mirror of the joingame packet form the server. If you’re just reconnecting to the same server you can send a respawn packet instead but ONLY if you kept track of the current dimension and the registry that was in the succeeding login packet from the server stays the same and ONLY if there is more than one dimension which you tracked and ONLY if you fake switch to that first and back will this be correct

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Here it’s like this:
Login: Server sends LoginSuccess
Proxy: copies and relays LoginSuccess
...
All good.

Or: Reconnect
Server sends LoginSuccess;
Proxy: Check if the received registry has the exact same contents as the one which was present previously
Proxy if false; Relay LoginSuccess
Proxy if true:
Check if registry contains two or more dimension types;
If false: relay LoginSuccess
If true: Send a respawn packet to the dimension the player is not in currently, send the entire clear status packets bungee sends, send a respawn packet to the dimension the client is supposed to be in;

...
All okay then

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^ this only all applies for 1.16+

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Also: world names and biome registry is part of the connection client registry

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So either always relay LoginSuccess

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Or go with the difficult route

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Which forces you to parse and compare the registries

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Bungeecord does not do that. I implemented it in velocity but md_5 refuses to use this

ashen saffron Aug 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Is an idea if we can make a anti netty exploit for Waterfall? 😅

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Bungeecord API is not secure

sturdy nymph Aug 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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@wide maple what I ended up doing in 1.16.1 and before, is I realized people could kinda "no-clip" in a sense, because all the plugin does is send keep alive packets until they can be reconnected to the server, so I respawned them in a new dimension and never sent chunk data so that they would be floating in a void, unable to explore the world and maybe see something they weren't supposed to.
So in the 1.16.2 testing I was doing, I looked at that switching branch you made and I sent a login packet with a single custom dimension and I respawned them in there while they wait for the server to come back online.
Because BungeeCord doesn't actually bother tracking anything, as you said, it just sends another login packet for the reconnected server once it comes back online.

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That should be good enough to at least avoid the issues you talked about, correct?

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For context, if you've ever been on Hypixel, this plugin does something very similar to their limbo, but I didn't bother sending the chunk data like they did, and you end up floating in a void instead, while waiting for the original server to come back online.

trail plume Aug 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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There is no "netty exploit"

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There was an issue in netty where an exception ended up hurting much more than it needed to, but this is literally "process exposed on the internet"

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Making the logic more robust to deal with this is ideal, but, at the same point, we don't wanna be throwing more exceptions for this, nor can we mess with the netty pipeline too much because plugins are fun

dry pulsar Aug 21, 2020, 12:20 AM

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wrong channel

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srry

manic briar Aug 21, 2020, 4:56 PM

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its ok babe

rancid edge Aug 23, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Hey anyone know how to set up Waterfall?

chilly coral Aug 23, 2020, 10:21 AM

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just like BungeeCord

rancid edge Aug 23, 2020, 11:02 AM

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ok

vivid bronze Aug 25, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Hi guys, how can I send TextComponent to player in Waterfall?
i dont have the .spigot().sendMessage()

lean gobletBOT Aug 25, 2020, 10:53 AM

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the normal sendMessage takes components

vivid bronze Aug 25, 2020, 10:55 AM

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okay... this works
i was wishing to send pure string message + multiple TextComponent in one sendMessage
nvm i think i will have to split them 😛

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thank you

lean gobletBOT Aug 25, 2020, 10:56 AM

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just use the component builder

vivid bronze Aug 25, 2020, 10:59 AM

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thanks for the suggestion, i will take a look 😁

low moon Aug 25, 2020, 12:30 PM

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Hey, just wanted to make sure of something before I dive into Waterfall. The Waterfall API is similar to the Bungeecord API, same as Paper, right?

lean gobletBOT Aug 25, 2020, 12:56 PM

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it extends bungeecord, yes

modest meadow Aug 26, 2020, 7:32 AM

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hi. does anyone know how i can get if a server on my waterfall network is online through a plugin? i've tried querying the plugin messaging channel with various things but all work regardless of the server's state, so i'm kinda lost

trail plume Aug 26, 2020, 7:33 AM

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use the ping method

vivid bronze Aug 26, 2020, 7:38 AM

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hello, how can i do the plugin message channel?
i dont really see resources / tutorials on how to do it... most of them are outdated
cause i want to change a player's server with a spigot plugin

thanks!

trail plume Aug 26, 2020, 7:39 AM

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The APIs for it literally haven't changed in years

vivid bronze Aug 26, 2020, 7:41 AM

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the only change i notice is the channel name
changed to something like "namespacedkey:name"
i did this too and no errors, but not moving to other servers

outer cosmos Aug 26, 2020, 7:45 AM

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public static final String CHANNEL = "BungeeCord"; private JavaPlugin javaPlugin; public BungeeServerAdapter(JavaPlugin javaPlugin) { this.javaPlugin = javaPlugin; } @SuppressWarnings("UnstableApiUsage") public void send(Player player, String server) { ByteArrayDataOutput out = ByteStreams.newDataOutput(); out.writeUTF("Connect"); out.writeUTF(server); player.sendPluginMessage(javaPlugin, CHANNEL, out.toByteArray()); }

trail plume Aug 26, 2020, 7:45 AM

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That's not needed for the BungeeCord channel, md hacked that requirement out

outer cosmos Aug 26, 2020, 7:47 AM

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My snippet should work. At least it works in production 1.16.1

Mobile formatting is a little bad.

vivid bronze Aug 26, 2020, 7:49 AM

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My snippet should work. At least it works in production 1.16.1

Mobile formatting is a little bad.
@outer cosmos thanks, can I send u a DM for more details of my code?

outer cosmos Aug 26, 2020, 7:50 AM

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No, do it here so everyone can help when I'm at sleep and everyone learns something.

vivid bronze Aug 26, 2020, 7:51 AM

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okay

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But I tried some channel name like yours, it doesnt work
does it has to be BungeeCord?
(Im using Watrefall)

outer cosmos Aug 26, 2020, 7:56 AM

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For bungeecoord/waterfall integrated functions like sending players to other servers, yes.

vivid bronze Aug 26, 2020, 8:04 AM

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its still not working somehow :/
here is my code:

main class of the plugin:
https://pastebin.com/ARecLnSr

BungeeListener class:
https://pastebin.com/rEB3XTTC

CommandExecuter class:
https://pastebin.com/kvHJbQnq

btw i registered the command "connect"

Edit: I deleted most of the codes and do it again. IT WORKS NOW
thanks for help!!! ><

chilly coral Aug 26, 2020, 9:13 AM

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You can use PluginMessage only if there is at least one player connected to the server

outer cosmos Aug 26, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Your plugin is likely null.