waterfall-help

[torn dagger]

well once again here https://docs.papermc.io/waterfall/getting-started <- everything should be in there

[tough vale]

In that case don't cold ping people, and you won't accidentally ping the wrong person.

[torn dagger]

or at least most of the stuff to get a basic server running

[queen flower]

it doesnt tell me how to get it all done

like the configs i need

and what to put in the folder

[torn dagger]

also you wil need this: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/bungeecord-installation/

[reef fulcrum]

you literally just modify the servers section and add the servers you need

there comes a level of expectation that if you're setting up a network that you've got some basic understanding of networking

[queen flower]

i do

i know how to port forward

[torn dagger]

well i mean just read through the guides at the top

theoretically you don't even need the waterfall guide the bungeecord installation guide should be enough

[queen flower]

the bungeecord thing says to download the bungeecord build do i do that or waterfall

[torn dagger]

waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall is a drop in replacement for bungee

[torn dagger]

basically just do everything described in there but with waterfall jar instead

[queen flower]

k

[torn dagger]

just saying incase you don't know waterfall and bungee are pretty old and are not recommended for use. since you don't seem to know you might want to try velocity instead: https://docs.papermc.io/velocity

[queen flower]

is it compatible with plugins and datapacks?

[tough vale]

Datapacks are only for backend servers, proxies have no concept of datapacks.

[queen flower]

oh ye forgot bout dat

@tough vale what version is allowed on it currently?

of minecraft

[slim beacon]

so far so good

only 1 crash error

could be viaversion or waterfall

[queen flower]

hey

pyro

[queen flower]

i have a question

[nimble ember]

ok

[craggy trout]

That's not wf

[elder arrow]

Hi, since I updated to the latest version of Waterfall, some players cannot connect anymore. They get the error, that they're already connected to the proxy, even thio they aren't.

[bright tulip]

waterfall working in 1.20.4?

[winged pilot]

ye

[obsidian kiln]

Under what circumstances does this message appear when it IS set to true?

[04:39:51 INFO]: /127.0.0.1:53307 lost connection: Unknown data in login hostname, did you forget to enable BungeeCord in spigot.yml?

[umbral spire]

I had that problem once. I don't remember how I fixed it. was pretty common on initial setup. you sure you followed everything to setup proxy?post configs?

[obsidian kiln]

I had the TCPShield plugin running!

Somehow Velocity worked...

[drowsy pagoda]

Hey,

Is there a download link for the latest stable version, so I can install an auto update script?

[winged pilot]

auto updating is never recommended

[umbral spire]

why

[winged pilot]

Because new builds can have uncaught issues or be outright broken

[spiral hatch]

Not supported, and yes there's a download link for everything if you're smart enough to know how to grab it.

[dusk wyvern]

Hello, i have problem where when i type anything into chat it says this on proxy console, any ideas why is it happening and how to fix it?

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @dusk wyvern: https://pastes.dev/BsOPyZ4Jnd

[reef fulcrum]

Well, that's not a valid json chat packet

so, generally, work out what is inducing that

[dusk wyvern]

uh, well okay

[clever hearth]

I'm running waterfall + paper build on my server and when I join lobby or limbo server I get 140-150ms but when I go to survival SMP it just goes to 2-3kms and laggs a lot

[elder arrow]

Could anyone help?

[exotic crypt]

are they all on the same server/physical machine

how much you allocated to the smp

whats the amount of resources consumed by the server out of its available ones? (i believe u r using ptero panel, if u r not

[clever hearth]

Yes they all r on same network and we have our own VPS so
Waterfall proxy is 6 GB RAM
Limbo / creak login paper server is 4 GB RAM
Lobby is on 8 GB RAM
SMP is 16 GB RAM

The cpu is having no cap as it's our own system rented in data centre

Its ryzen 7 3600
128 GB ECC RAM
4 TB datacenter NVME

[exotic crypt]

i dont know how uve setup the smp, but did u pregen?

[clever hearth]

Yes around 1k radius of chunks in chunky plugin

Over 15k chunks

[exotic crypt]

after some minutes, does it balance the ping?

like from the 1000+ it goes down to 200 or lower

[clever hearth]

Nop it give up to 7k never went down to 2k

Its weird

[exotic crypt]

does this happen w everyone

btw this is more of a #paper-help

[clever hearth]

I msg in it as well

No one replied

[exotic crypt]

yea, paper doesnt support cracked servers

[clever hearth]

Even creaked off its same issue

I don't really care about creaked

[exotic crypt]

imma dm u as this is no support server for cracked servers

[clever hearth]

I can disable creak on my server... I don't mind doing so

[buoyant spindle]

Hi! I have big problem, sometimes when player joining then he is kicked immediately with reason "The server you were previously on went down you have been connected to a fallback server".

There is an error in waterfall log: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/1252602e881e494d9d281eb904eb11d7

what can it be?

[reef fulcrum]

it tells you, duplicate scoreboard team

Known issue with crossing servers in which have duplicate scoreboards

[buoyant spindle]

The players first join to lobby (without any scoreboard) and then to the survival server (with default scoreboard created by /scoreboard objective) and some players have this error

[reef fulcrum]

Team npc-§b§m§9§9§c§6§n§a

there is scoreboard data

[buoyant spindle]

this is additional scoreboard apart from default scoreboard.dat?

but I don't have scoreboard at all on my lobby server and players only go to lobby first and then to a survival server

maybe you know how to investigate? How to check this "Team npc-§b§m§9§9§c§6§n§a" to find out what is it?

[reef fulcrum]

it's from a plugin using scoreboards

[buoyant spindle]

My scoreboard.dat still works OK - I am using it to display player's stats on my website

I can't find any "npc-" playername in this scoreboard.dat

[reef fulcrum]

Okay

[buoyant spindle]

maybe there is a command to find this unusual scoreboard?

[reef fulcrum]

No

Because it's not going to be a scoreboard defined in the server

it's gonna be a plugin created scoreboard, be that something they remember to clean up so it's not stored in the scoreboard file, or packet based

[buoyant spindle]

so it is not related to the default scoreboard.dat?

[reef fulcrum]

no, very unlikely to be something that ends up in scoreboard.dat

[buoyant spindle]

and this is has to be related to the other servers? I mean you told "Known issue with crossing servers in which have duplicate scoreboards". What do you mean "crossing servers"? It can be caused by server where player never has been? (For example archived server "survival 1.17" where noone join but this server still works)

[signal cave]

Hi guys I have problem whenever someone on my server interacts with a player head they get disconnected with "Proxy lost connection to server"

[dusk wyvern]

Hey, i tried to fix this problem https://hastebin.com/share/uriqoboqur.php, but i can find my answer the only thing that worked was that i changed server from version 1.8.8 to higher like 1.19 but the plugins were a mess.. Is there another solution to this?

[reef fulcrum]

mojang changed components to now being NBT

if that's a 1.20.4 connection, chances are it's either spigots logic for reading that being mangled, or something like a plugin is sending invalid chat json, but the serialiser didn't care about it before

[dusk wyvern]

i connected with 1.20.3

[reef fulcrum]

So, yea

[dusk wyvern]

In the 1.20 and lower the chat is working (kinda) its sending the message, but without prefix or anything, just regullar minecraft message..

[reef fulcrum]

Cool

and in 1.20.3, the serialiser setup changed

and as a a result has generally become more picky about the chat components that is being sent to clients

you would need to work out what is being sent and why

[jolly flame]

[01:42:22 ERROR]: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException: class java.util.LinkedHashMap cannot be cast to class java.lang.String (java.util.LinkedHashMap and java.lang.String are in module java.base of loader 'bootstrap')

What causes this?

[jolly flame]

https://gyazo.com/c8642847bdb006126aeedc4552e10741

When I do /server (servername) it prompts me with this

but connection to the lobby works just fine, just cant go to other servers

[reef fulcrum]

Something mangled a packet

[jolly flame]

It’s doing this when joining any other server than the lobby. Any idea what the cause could be?

[craggy trout]

Plugin stuff

[jolly flame]

if it’s plug-in related how am I able to connect to the hub server just fine but can’t with any other server

I’m connecting to a default paper server with 0 plugins

and it won’t let me connect to it

[craggy trout]

And how about your proxy plugins

[jolly flame]

I only have the standard plugins like holograms, essentials, world guard

Oh the proxy ones

My b

[craggy trout]

ViaVersion is not properly supported by Waterfall, how ever what is the point of using it on a multi-protocol proxy?

[marble kelp]

the obvious would be using it with servers that can't run ViaVersion

[twin solstice]

or just maintaining one instance of viaversion

isntead of having to update it across all of your backend servers

[marble kelp]

that doesn't feel like a good argument to get a worse experience but sure

[twin solstice]

how is it a worse experience

viaversion on the proxy works fine

[reef fulcrum]

for small bumps forward, via on the proxy is fine

[marble kelp]

really depends on your version

[twin solstice]

that i agree with

if you're going to update from 1.8 to 1.20 with viaversion on the proxy, shit idea

1.19 to 1.20, sure, works fine

more convenient than running it on the backend in that case

[marble kelp]

I mean you should have an automation in place to roll out plugin updates on your servers anyways so not sure why not to just use that for ViaVersion too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twin solstice]

keyword convenience

i don't have to restart every single server to update viaversion and add protocol support

don't have to restart anything at all

[void talon]

Guys i have the error:
Kicked whilst connecting to pixelmon: This server has mods that require FML/Forge to be installed on the client. Contact your server admin for more details.

My Waterfall Config.yml:

forge_support are true but have this error

@twin solstice

[reef fulcrum]

1. rule 6

2. modern forge support and proxies is generally a no-go

best you're gonna get at this point is to use velocity and the ambassador plugin

[void talon]

I can use Bungeeguard?

In Velocity?

For this

[high mortar]

hey there, where can i download waterfall for 1.20.4

[dry thunder]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[tidal musk]

hey im running on waterfall + paper what should i do to improve ping?

[delicate phoenix]

Run the waterfall instance close to the paper one, and use a serbur host with good latency.

[tidal musk]

its in the same node already

the issue is that like the server is in germany, im getting 20 ping but people from other countrys like india are getting over 200 easily is there any way to improve it?

[delicate phoenix]

I don't think, no. That's latency caused by distance, which is hard to overcome. You can try different hosts with different routes, one might work better than the other, but there will always be some added latency simply due to the shear amount of distance.

[tidal musk]

alr captain

what about having multiple proxy?

[reef fulcrum]

No

adding more proxies will not defeat physics

not unless you find a provider which has better backbone connectiviety/routing, and even then you're mostly gonna be talking like at best, 10-20ms in savings type of deal

[tidal musk]

im already using hetzner vds i don't think there is much better... and worth spending

[reef fulcrum]

which is generally the point

[tidal musk]

rip, what about paper config? any suggestion of a good guide

[reef fulcrum]

no

once again, the primary limitation is physics + routing

the only thing you can have any form of say in is routing, but that's generally a headache to deal with, and something I'm not versed in

[tidal musk]

i have a gbit up and down 9oon the server

[umbral spire]

use nasa satellite

it's just hardware and network limits.

[reef fulcrum]

Once again, it's physics, distance

[ruby plover]

What would be causing this message? https://pastebin.com/99zKphkB

[reef fulcrum]

generally, something tried to send a bad chat component

[ruby plover]

so chat plugin may be a problem then and its not anything with waterfall?

thing is I go back to 1.20.2 and play that version there is no chat issue.

[reef fulcrum]

Yes, because changes in 1.20.3 made the thing more sensitive to malformed chat stuff

[ruby plover]

Darn so I have to probably find a different plugin then venture chat and I just got done with making it work for all my needs for the moment lol. Any other known goods ones to run a global chat across multiple servers and also work with towny nation, town, ally chats? If not Ill try looking around again.

[marble kelp]

if you need the chat to be on the servers rather than on the proxy try SpaceChat

[oblique salmon]

https://paste.helpch.at/ajayekujur.rb

how can i fix this error?

when my players try enter to my server, waterfall give this error

[reef fulcrum]

Cancelled ServerConnectEvent with no server or disconnect

a player did not have a connection to the server

waterfall tried to connect to them to a server, a plugin cancelled that connection without giving them an alternative server to connect to or disconnecting them

[charred wind]

i have a problem

when someone join using 1.20.4 he get kicked

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @charred wind: https://pastes.dev/krdANSjaKq

[reef fulcrum]

something sent a bad chat component

[charred wind]

it's the chat

[reef fulcrum]

newer logic is more sensitive to malformed data

[charred wind]

from the chat

[reef fulcrum]

yes, and it's malformed

[reef fulcrum]

yes, I know

[charred wind]

This started happening when I updated the waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

[charred wind]

related bug then?

[reef fulcrum]

No

[charred wind]

how to fix it?

[reef fulcrum]

Work out what is creating the bad data and remove it or report it to the author

mojang changed how chat stuff is serialised on the network, and as a result, the parsing of that stuff is now more sensitive to stuff being invalid

[charred wind]

bro, wharever chat message do it..

for now i will downgrade my waterfall

[charred wind]

to fix o just update the ViaVersion to "beta" version

it's been fixed

[dark panther]

Hello, I got a waterfall proxy directing to one of my paper servers. It's all working fine and shine, however I want to do something new.

I want to make use of MineHut services to gain more players to my server.
MineHut allows to list your own server on their network, however to do this, we need to change the startup command with their authentication address.

java -Xms128M -XX:MaxRAMPercentage=95.0 -Dwaterfall.auth.url="https://api.minehut.com/mitm/proxy/session/minecraft/hasJoined?username=%s&serverId=%s%s" -jar waterfall.jar

When we do this, it ONLY allows people to connect to the server through minehut's authentication.

I also want people to still be able to connect through the original IP-address.

How can I do this?

[reef fulcrum]

you can't

easiest option is going to be to use two waterfall proxies

otherwise you would need to create your own mechanism which would try to ask mojang and minehut for their stuff

[umbral spire]

registering the proxy?

[thorn crater]

hello is waterfall and lightfall work for hybrid servers?

[craggy trout]

lightfall is a waterfall fork which implements a messaging system with ACK for its own backend, supports mods on new releases

[elder arrow]

Hey, some of my players are getting the "You are already connected to this proxy" error, even though they aren't and they can't join. What can I do about that?

[reef fulcrum]

Generally that means that something caused a state desync in the server

All you can do is basically start yanking plugins and hope you find the cause

[elder arrow]

Wdym?

[reef fulcrum]

I fail to understand the confusion over that statement

[elder arrow]

Hahaha what does yanking mean 👀

Like removing them?

[reef fulcrum]

removing

99% of the time that issue is caused by plugins messing with internals

the rest are generally bugs inside of the proxy itself

[elder arrow]

The problem is, that after each restart it randomly affects different people

So it is hard to "test" what causes it

[elder arrow]

I see

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, the proxy has a few edge cases where stuff can go sideways last I knew, but, it's been a while since I saw one impact something

[elder arrow]

What type of plugins could be the problem?

[reef fulcrum]

outside of that, I'm generally done with waterfall and upstream, so, some avenues of "glhf"

hard to say, the API in waterfall/bungee is lacking in many areas, and so plugins tend to screw with internals for stupid things in a manner which can cause such corruption easily

[elder arrow]

🥲🥲

I think I should consider switching to Velocity sometime

Didn't find the time yet

Especially because of some plugins that aren't compatible yet 🥲

[cunning wigeon]

I'm currently using Velocity proxy. It's been unstable lately, so when I tried to change to Waterfall, GeyserMC gave an error that prevented BE users from accessing the server. I don't know the cause. The installed plugins are Viaversion, Viaback, Geyser, floodgate, and BungeeTablistPlus. Waterfall uses #548. This is because BungeeTablistPlus causes an error after #549.
Geyser's error is "Kicked while connecting to lobby: Server is outdated! Still on 1.19.4".

[wicked tusk]

Can you define "Unstable" ?

if anything velocity is going to be much more stable than bungee or waterfall

[marble kelp]

I mean velocity has no full 1.20.3/4 support so.. ;P

remove viaversion and viabackwards from the proxy, they are much more stable on the paper servers

(and most likely your issue seeing as you have a java version connection error)

[cunning wigeon]

These symptoms occur
https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/908507866183372801/1186847257606246462

[nimble ember]

as you were told previously, talk to geyser support

[vapid turtle]

Me too I have issues with BungeeTablistPlus and waterfall 1.20-556

I tried to use the "bare" version of GlobalTablist-1.12 and Yamler Bungee 2.4.0 SNAPSHOT as a dependancy for that.

this is the error I get:

https://pastebin.com/788zkLGf

I can also pastebin full waterfall server logs if need be, or pastebin the error when you use it with the newest bungeetablistplus

if I am in the wrong discord server for help with this problem, just tell me 🙂

with earlier waterfall versions I didnt have any issues with BungeeTabListPlus at all.

I mean not every earlier, sooner up to waterfall-1.20.548 I think.

[reef fulcrum]

Because snakeyaml was updated, that plug-in needs to update

[vapid turtle]

I will check it out, thanks!

[sleek stratus]

any way to use waterfall with 1.7.10?

[marble kelp]

use Velocity (or Travertine but that's not supported anymore)

[sleek stratus]

how can i download travertine rn

cant find

it

[reef fulcrum]

it's dead

iirc some older versions are on the downloads API, but, you're on your own on that front

[sleek stratus]

and which version of velocity should support 1.7.10?

[reef fulcrum]

latest experimental works for 1.7.2-1.20.4

"stable" for -1.20.2

[sleek stratus]

alr ty

[fast nacelle]

Hi i got this error while trying to connect to one of my fabric servers.

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @fast nacelle: https://pastes.dev/0ChoyC2uVU

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall doesn't support mods providing custom completion handlers at all

in part, you also have a mod doing a stupid

[tidal musk]

hello, i got this error while starting the proxy after modifying my config. the server did boot up normally with the default config

[tulip surge]

latest.log by @timber gust: https://pastes.dev/rzP1pyWuo4

[reef fulcrum]

because you broke the config

[tidal musk]

just fixed it, thank you for your help

[twin solstice]

do you have a control panel

[amber silo]

I got it

thanks

[twin solstice]

fair enough

[amber silo]

my false

srry

[dire mist]

does anybody know a simple tab plugin for waterfall?

the tab plugin doesnt rly display ranks and it has too many unnecessary features

[tulip osprey]

Can you use bukkit and paper plugins on waterfall?

[twin solstice]

no

[nimble ember]

waterfall isnt a minecraft server. its a proxy. you join it like a server but it doesnt have its own world

[nimble galleon]

my server doesnt do anything after closing io threads

its like it freezes

[delicate phoenix]

Which egg are you using? Ptero might be detecting the shutdown incorrectly, and doesn't display the serbur actually shutting down.

[distant scarab]

Hi all, having an odd issue I think is related to port forwarding. Have my waterfall network hosted on hetzner and it works a treat when all ports are allowed incoming. However when just the server specific ports (and ping and ssh) are forwarded, I get the below error. It must be a port forwarding issue, so what ports am I missing?

[reef fulcrum]

that would generally not be port forwarding

misconfigured firewall, maybe

[distant scarab]

Port forwarding is allowing ports through the firewall I thought

Also literally the only thing that changed is only allowing specific ports through the firewall so I've clearly missed some

[reef fulcrum]

Well, port forwarding is a firewall trick

so, yes, adding a forward will generally "open" up the means to allow incoming traffic

[distant scarab]

I understand what it means. I'm a computer science graduate and have worked as a network engineer for 2 years. I just need to know what ports I've missed 🤣

[reef fulcrum]

well, client network connections pick a random port

but, generally, you appear to be missing a rule that allows https connections

[distant scarab]

That sounds about right, I'll forward tcp 443 and see what happens

Needed 443 and 80 tcp ports forwarding, all sorted now. Thanks for the help buddy ❤️

[autumn parrot]

Im tryng to join a modded forge server over waterfall but it cant connect because the connection timed out with no logs in the server its self

its the only server in the priorities, ping passthrough is enabled and forge support is on

[mild portal]

How to make that if the server is closed with /stop for example, players are kicked to the hub (priorited server), and not disconnected from the proxy at all

[winged pilot]

you'd need a fallback plugin

[nimble galleon]

idek i got the jar from paper tho

yeah it keeps saying closing io threads

[delicate phoenix]

Hm, does it actually shutdown the proxy tho?

[nimble galleon]

no

it just freezes on that

[autumn parrot]

will i get help with this?

[reef fulcrum]

Being frank, probably not

It’s all going to depend on the times out aspect, if it’s not a case of it timed out opening the connection, it’s generally down to mods not being happy with the fact that proxies cater to vanilla

Your best bet is generally going to be velocity and the ambassador plug-in

[verbal rock]

this is our server, how to fix that

[crimson cosmos]

bye 👋

[bitter birch]

(658c262c42b7936e54a59fb0) // @marsh burrow (@byseltix / 1159863525561356379) has been banned by @covert bough (1098722699116810331)
Reason: spam ping

[crimson cosmos]

oh

[verbal rock]

can you please help me: internal excception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.io.IOEException: Packet 0/0 (ul) was larger than I expected, found 1137 bytes extra whilst reading packet 0

waterfall -> paper

[crimson cosmos]

(for any ghostpinged team member, hi! they spam pinged pretty much everyone that is online and are now banned)

[crimson cosmos]

do you have plugins flying around ?

I don't think anyone got to the bottom of that error yet, but generally seems to be related to some plugin iirc ?

[verbal rock]

via version, via backwards

i have it on the bungeecord server

[crimson cosmos]

are both of those on their latest version ?

[verbal rock]

i think

[crimson cosmos]

I mean, you could try their dev builds

beyond that, we cannot do much replicating when plugins are involved

[verbal rock]

can i upload the plugins on the paper servers?

[crimson cosmos]

hm ?

[verbal rock]

actually the version of the server was not supported by via version

@crimson cosmos

[crimson cosmos]

oh xd

Well that ought to do it I guess 😅

glad you got it resolved

[verbal rock]

haha thanks for the help

[reef fulcrum]

to the question that was accidently deleted, no, waterfall is EOL and I have little personal interest between my health and current living situation in order to justify putting effort into waterfall for a system on a platform in which anytime I put effort into it is generally fraught with upstream changing stuff, plugin compat headaches, and people generally just refusing to work with us/me in order to achieve a desirable solution for something like forge support

1.20.2s configuration phase should generally make it much easier for modded stuff to work on waterfall given the fact that now there is an agreed upon manner to

1. Reset the clients connection phase and connection in an agreed upon manner that is part of the standard design flow for clients connecting, etc, something in which we where dubious around between me and lex in terms of hijacking into existing setups (bearing in mind that most plugin induced kicks due to errors are literally because mojang added support for this)
2. assumes that mod and frameworks will move to using the configuration phase for this stuff instead of login, something which neoforge has generally commited to do

if there are changes which are needed in order to faciliate this, I am more than happy to look at PRs when I can, however, being frank, working on proxy stuff on a laptop screen away from a desk is pretty gnarly and, vs the 200 other things I have on my todo list, like, fixing my health so I can get back into work, one of them is pretty much going to have to take a backseat

[rapid sand]

does anyone know a fix to this? https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/issues/3184 i asked pterodactyl but they said it seemed to be something with the bungee that changed breaking their ufw guide for docker containers

[rapid sand]

im assuming that there is a different way to use docker containers and not have a bungee exploit

[dry thunder]

`connection timed out` / `connection refused`

unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.ConnectTimeoutException: connection timed out``` ```
unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException: finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused```
**These exceptions indicate that your proxy cannot connect to the address you've specified.**
There can be several reasons for this:
- The server is not running
- Your proxy is being blocked by e.g. a firewall
- Your network is set up in a way that requires you to use a different address.

If you're sure your server is running, you haven't mistyped the address and the proxy's not being blocked, try following the steps below:

If all your servers and the proxy are on the same machine

Try using localhost as the servers' address.

If you're using Pterodactyl or another panel that utilizes Docker

In general Docker containers are network isolated and will require you to use a different address to reach the machine and not the container.

In Pterodactyl's case the default address to reach the machine is 172.18.0.1 (read more here).

If you're using a host

Speak to their support. Your host should know their own network the best and help you set your proxy up.

[delicate phoenix]

Check the ptero guide. ^^

[rapid sand]

the message is you are already connected to this server. specific to 1.20 spigot for me. the pterodactyl guide only works up to 1.19

i am already using their guide but it seems to re route the 1.20 spigot back to the server im already connected to

the 1.8 lobby works etc just not 1.20

like the local host solution no longer works on recent versions

the spigot server never sees the player even though im already using the pterodactyl config for ips and ufw

i also have checked all my configs to make sure they are properly setup,

[delicate phoenix]

Just to make sure, you are binding all serburs to 172.18.0.1 on different ports, right?

[rapid sand]

in the bungee config yeah

then the spigot has 127.0.0.1 and the port

ufw allow in on pterodactyl0 to 172.18.0.1 port 8006 proto tcp

[delicate phoenix]

Set the spigot side to 172.18.0.1, or leave it empty, or set it to 0.0.0.0 to bind to all interfaces.

127.0.0.1 and localhost refer to the private interface in the container, not he "network".

[rapid sand]

that also has the same effect

0.0.0.0 has the same effect

[delicate phoenix]

How did you install Pterodactyl? - Unless it's set up differently, it should work. 🤔

[rapid sand]

i just followed the guide. ive set it up a few times before and its always worked. i can try a fresh install. its running off a unraid vm

its bound to the public ip instead of a domain since im mostly just testing

unraid doesnt touch the networking at all

[delicate phoenix]

Just making sure:

• You are referring to the serburs as 172.18.0.1 in the proxy config, and you have a different port set for each server.
• The backend serburs are bound to 0.0.0.0 in the server.properties config, and the containers are bound to a local IP. (the pterodactyl0 interface should be reachable from every container regardless).

[rapid sand]

yeah that is the setup

i then have opened the ports for the spigot servers using pteros guide

1.8 to 1.19 works

if i change the version on a working container it has the same effect even though other versions work fine

if it was for all versions i would understand it better but its only on recent spigot versions

[delicate phoenix]

🤔

How are you changing versions? Just switching the jars?

[rapid sand]

yeah

i say spigot but i am using paper to be clear

im assuming the issue is specific to me but without any errors etc im a bit confused on what the issue could even be

[delicate phoenix]

Me too, can you try a fesh install? Networking isn't working correctly or something, as the steps you did should've made the connection possible.

[rapid sand]

alright will do. i will come back if that doesnt work. thanks for ur help

[grim bramble]

Running a small home-hosted server with Waterfall and Geyser. Getting MASSIVE spikes in upload bandwidth every 5-10 minutes (sending 500 Mbps or more) and then either fixing itself or flattening out around 100 and only stopping once I kill the Waterfall instance. According to the IPs it's usually the Bedrock players who seem to show up near the top of the bandwidth usage, but it may be happening to Java as well (still gathering info) and I'm not sure what could be causing these sudden spikes...

All players kicked within a few sec whenever this happens, it's been going on for a few weeks. I tried updating Waterfall but that only seemed to increase the bandwidth used while in normal operation & during the spikes. Also, I haven't updated any Bungee plugins since before this issue began. MCAntiMalware flags Floodgate with Spigot.MALWARE.Antieffects.A as usual, otherwise plugins come out clean.

Server's unplayable for more than a few min due to this issue. Help!

[buoyant spindle]

Hello, few my players timed out from my server but my waterfall still think they are on the server. They are visible on /glist command. But paper server does not see them. And now they cant connect becouse they have error you are already connected to this proxy..

Maybe you know how to fix it?

[delicate phoenix]

Hello! Interesting issue. Would you be able to get a spark report of waterfall when this happens? Or is the console/the server not responsible at all?

Something very weird is going on, assuming that you don't have malware. Maybe someone found a DoS? 🤔

[delicate phoenix]

Something isn't detecting the player state correctly, and as a result the serburs thinks they are still connected. Try updating/removing plugins.

[buoyant spindle]

on waterfall or paper side plugins?

and now I noticed that waterfall takes whole CPU, almost 100% all the time. No errors, no Full GC in gc logs

[delicate phoenix]

On waterfall.

Can you please make a spark report too?

[buoyant spindle]

spark report on waterfall? And now I know why waterfall takes 100% CPU - young GC every 0.1s. Normally it should be every 10 seconds.

Yesterday I set xmx and xms to 3GB, before it was 1.5GB. Maybe 3GB for waterfall is too much?

[grim bramble]

I'll give it a shot, hopefully will catch when it happens. Ran a full system scan with WinDefender, MB, and used MCAntiMalware, Floodgate was the only thing that triggered on the proxy and I get my plugins from the official sources.

Radek reminded me, I increased our Waterfall's allocated RAM to 2 GB after some issues, maybe that had some effect?

[buoyant spindle]

Hello. I have young GC pause every 0.1s (on waterfall). And my CPU is burning.

Why? What can I check?

[delicate phoenix]

Would you be able to share a spark report?

[buoyant spindle]

https://spark.lucko.me/sDe5MRHse1

I think this was BungeeTabListPlus (dev version). Now I switched to older WaterFall (1.20.2) and older BTLP (stable) and I think it's better

actually no gc spam

[delicate phoenix]

If that fixed the issue, then that was propably it; Try reporting the issue to them, so they can fix it. :p

[candid narwhal]

Hello !

If it's possible, i need help, i'm not sure it's due Waterfall but maybe..

I update my frontal server to the last waterfall build 1.20 #560 and i upgrade my backend server to purpur 1.20.1.

Then i test to connect it, i've the : Outdated client ! Please use 1.20.1. But, i'm in 1.20.1. I test > 1.20.1 and connexion it's ok..

I dont know if the lastest build enter in conflict with 1.20.1 version

[delicate phoenix]

Wait, so connecting to a 1.20.1 purpur server via 1.20.1 doesn't work?

[candid narwhal]

Yes

But i'm in 1.20.1. I test with fabric config and vanilla config

If i use 1.20.2 for exemple, it's ok

[delicate phoenix]

What version is the lobby serbur running?

[delicate phoenix]

🤔

[candid narwhal]

Yes..

[delicate phoenix]

What does it say in the watefall console?

[candid narwhal]

I'm on this problem since 6h

nothing else

[delicate phoenix]

Can you try removing plugins from the lobby serbur to see if that fixes the issue?

[candid narwhal]

Yes, i disabled a lot of plugin, trash config to force reloading, nothing..

[delicate phoenix]

Afaik this kick is coming from the lobby server, so unlikely to be a waterfall issue, but who knows.

[candid narwhal]

Yes, i think it's lobby too but after 6h to search, i test another option ^^

[delicate phoenix]

Try moving the serbur to a test instance, like your setup, and joining to it locally. If it kicks you, you ruled out the proxy.

[candid narwhal]

Yes good idea

RIP, the connexion it's ok in 1.20.1 when i disable proxy options...

[delicate phoenix]

So it's something with the proxy then. Does it work without any proxy plugins?

[candid narwhal]

Yes if i disable bungeecord : true and disable safeNet (equal at bungeeguard)

In my memory, when I config a proxy, in backend server, I just must set to true the bungeecord option in spigot. Yml?

Or another task? Secret key maybe?

[delicate phoenix]

No, that's correct. What I'm thinking, is maybe some proxy plugin is screwing with the client version detection, or something.

That's why I suggested trying waterfall without plugins, to see if you can join.

[candid narwhal]

Ok i test it

ok, when i disable plugin, it's ok, so i test to enable 1 by 1

O,, it's due viaversion on waterfall server

Ok so i see on spigot.com, viaversion must be on backend server OR frontend

my bad

[delicate phoenix]

All good, happy that you got it shorted. ^_^

[candid narwhal]

Thanks for your help 😉

[slim maple]

Hello, I have a party plugin on bungeecord for my minigames, but in my survival it is blocking my Mcmmo party. (That is, it is above the mcmmo command) Would there be a way to resolve this?

[delicate phoenix]

Yup, on your backend, use the commands.yml file to either

• Define an alternative command for your other party comannd
• Define which one you'd to use.

[slim maple]

Wouldn't it be possible to disable the command in my survival?

[delicate phoenix]

Hm maybe, I'm not too familiar with the mcmmo configuration, it's been ages since I've last worked with that plugin.

Try disabling the party feature, that'll might disable the commands too.

[reef fulcrum]

there is no mechanism for disabling commands on the proxy per server

your only sane mechanism is going to be to use an alias or something on the backend server and tell your players to use that

[delicate phoenix]

Oh, sorry, I think I misinterpreted the context.

[slim maple]

So will I have to change the mcmmo command "/party" to, for example, /mcparty?

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[quaint pond]

Hey, can anyone explain me what the "query" setting is used for ?

query_enabled: true

[tulip osprey]

.

[nimble ember]

same thing it does in vanilla https://docs.papermc.io/paper/reference/server-properties#enable_query

[neon merlin]

Hey Hey. I have a weird issue. I have 2 Accounts and when im on my server with both accounts and im hitting a block or something one of my accounts is getting disconnected with the message "the previous server went down...." https://pastebin.com/V8G5i0pm

I tested the paper Server without any plugins too and im still getting kicked, so it must be the proxy.

#updatetothenewestversionworks
After Updating it seems to work now.

[marble kelp]

I mean one of those is an error from nLogin

which seems pretty clear to me, fix that in their config and see if it works

[spiral hatch]

Or just don't use nLogin.

[kindred lava]

hi can anyone help me with this issue?

[wanton tree]

need help

[hardy carbon]

morning - having an issue with waterfall.

Try to connect to my server and get this issue, i can connect to the hub server directly, just not through waterfall. I have enforce_secure_profile as true in the waterfall config.yml

i get this erorr on my proxy and then a similar to the first ss on my hub server

no debugging i've looked at online has helped at all

i can connect if i change the online mode to false in the waterfall config but i don't wanna be doing that lol bc i only want premium accs on the server

[reef fulcrum]

make sure that you setup ip forwarding properly

[dry thunder]

`connection timed out` / `connection refused`

unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.ConnectTimeoutException: connection timed out``` ```
unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException: finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused```
**These exceptions indicate that your proxy cannot connect to the address you've specified.**
There can be several reasons for this:
- The server is not running
- Your proxy is being blocked by e.g. a firewall
- Your network is set up in a way that requires you to use a different address.

If you're sure your server is running, you haven't mistyped the address and the proxy's not being blocked, try following the steps below:

If all your servers and the proxy are on the same machine

Try using localhost as the servers' address.

If you're using Pterodactyl or another panel that utilizes Docker

In general Docker containers are network isolated and will require you to use a different address to reach the machine and not the container.

In Pterodactyl's case the default address to reach the machine is 172.18.0.1 (read more here).

If you're using a host

Speak to their support. Your host should know their own network the best and help you set your proxy up.

[bronze pollen]

Hi I have a problem with my proxy can anyone help me?

[tulip surge]

latest.log.txt by @bronze pollen: https://pastes.dev/5TvlDWUN0A

[reef fulcrum]

your server tried to send the player an invalid chat component

[olive cedar]

is it more benefical to have waterfall and minecrafts servers on the same machine?

[lone oak]

Hey, I recently updated my waterfall version to the latest and installed viaversion on my lobby/default server. I deleted the original config for the old 1 and set it back up with the new layout but same details. I've setup multiple proxies before so I was pretty confident I did it correct but whenever I try connecting I get a message saying "The server you were previously on went down, you have been connected to a fallback server". The hub server (the default server) shows no errors just that I connected and disconnected.

I've attached the error on the waterfall server excluding my personal IP.

Any help would be very much appreciated 🙂

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @lone oak: https://pastes.dev/BYTKnFej2B

[reef fulcrum]

your error is from a plugin

[lone oak]

Plugin in bungeecord?

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[lone oak]

ok ty lol

Now it's the same issue but the hubs motd doesn't display for the bungeecord so somethings wrong

I deleted all my bungeecord plugins I'm gonna send my bungee config in a second

[tulip surge]

config.txt by @lone oak: https://pastes.dev/VnSPSTx6n8

[reef fulcrum]

I mean

you have ping passthrough disabled

[lone oak]

lmao i feel like an idiot now

Thank you so much that worked 🙏

[warped niche]

hi sry im new to java but i need help plz

how i remove end command
public void onEnable() {
getProxy().getPluginManager().unregisterCommand(end);
is not working

[nimble ember]

just deny the permission for it?

[warped niche]

i try to rename end to wstop

i have the command but i dont know how to unregister end command

[warped niche]

plz someone can help me?

hi sry for ping but i need help plz

how i use this correct
getProxy().getPluginManager().unregisterCommand(end); ?

@strong blade

[bitter birch]

(659ab9fc42b7936e54a59fd0) // @warped niche (@efor89 / 532599461168414722) has been warned by @frank coral (259465250716254210)
Reason: Dont randomly ping staff

[warped niche]

thats not random

omg for what is this server

i think not for help

after this

[marble kelp]

first: this is the help chat, not the development chat

[warped niche]

yes help

[marble kelp]

second: it's strongly suggested to use permissions for commands

[warped niche]

but no help at all

[marble kelp]

I mean you literally got an aswer even though you seem to have asked in the wrong channel...

[warped niche]

no i need to remove the command

[marble kelp]

in the context of this help channel: don't grant the permission and the player wont have access to it

(it will be "removed" for them)

[warped niche]

omg

i need end for teleport to end

not for end the proxy

[marble kelp]

any further removal requires modification of the proxy. it may be possible with a plugin so -> #waterfall-dev

[warped niche]

rly no help here -.-

only warns

[marble kelp]

if you want to work around it without code modification then the solution could be to use a plugin on the proxy which handles the /end command instead to do what you want

[warped niche]

i have add command wstop works

but now i need to unregister the end command

[marble kelp]

(or just use /warp end like most servers do it ;))

[warped niche]

no thats shit

[marble kelp]

"unregistering a command" without custom code can only really be done via permissions

if you need help with code please move to #waterfall-dev

[warped niche]

getProxy().getPluginManager().unregisterCommand();

for what is this

?

[marble kelp]

actually did you try "disabled_commands" in the config.yml? not sure if that works for this case but I doubt it

[warped niche]

is not working

[marble kelp]

also the method is clearly for unregistering commands? but again: that requires a custom plugin (and you would need to get the command instance first of course)

[warped niche]

ok

but how can i unregister the end command?

[marble kelp]

(but the disabled commands list should do exactly what you want as far as I can tell)

you just call the method with the end command?

[warped niche]

no end stops the proxy

disabled_commands:

• end

[warped niche]

idk?

[warped niche]

ok thx a lot now it works

[ruby plover]

so how do I get past this I waited for my chat plugin to update and they updated to 1.20.4 but I still get this when try to chat or say anything https://mclo.gs/3wv4kyI

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, something on the server created an invalid chat component

[ruby plover]

guess I will go to taking all plugins off server except Viaversion, and venturechat and see if still have issue. Via suggested it looked like a bungee bug and for me to swap to Velocity but I do not really want to do that and I am not the only one getting these kind of errors with chat.

[reef fulcrum]

basically, either it's a bug inside of bungee in how it handles the chat component stuff, or it's a bug in the server

though, well, actually

I'm leaning towards it being a bungee issue given that we literally never see such errors on velocity

[torpid ridge]

It gives this error when entering my server

I'm using waterfall for the first time

could not connect to a default or fallback server Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall

[reef fulcrum]

see logs

[dry thunder]

`connection timed out` / `connection refused`

unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.ConnectTimeoutException: connection timed out``` ```
unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException: finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused```
**These exceptions indicate that your proxy cannot connect to the address you've specified.**
There can be several reasons for this:
- The server is not running
- Your proxy is being blocked by e.g. a firewall
- Your network is set up in a way that requires you to use a different address.

If you're sure your server is running, you haven't mistyped the address and the proxy's not being blocked, try following the steps below:

If all your servers and the proxy are on the same machine

Try using localhost as the servers' address.

If you're using Pterodactyl or another panel that utilizes Docker

In general Docker containers are network isolated and will require you to use a different address to reach the machine and not the container.

In Pterodactyl's case the default address to reach the machine is 172.18.0.1 (read more here).

If you're using a host

Speak to their support. Your host should know their own network the best and help you set your proxy up.

[main lantern]

Hi, more and more players on my server are experiencing this error on connecting.
In my console (waterfall) i am seeing this error, making me think there is a problem with the auth server or the connection between it? https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/05650f2292454915acad73268654047d
Is this a known issue? I already asked my waterfall host and they tell me to ask here 🙂

[twin solstice]

mojang servers dying

not a waterfall issue

[mortal coral]

~~This happends only when Im on 1.20.2+

• Bungee: waterfall-1.20-562.jar
• Backend: 1.18 with latest ViaVersion~~

[torpid ridge]

There is an error in any plugin

This happened to me too

Are you using "Animatedacoreboard" on your server?

[mortal coral]

no

I have few plugins on lobby

I assume its up to ViaVersion

[torpid ridge]

remove all plugins

and add one by one

[mortal coral]

wait you had the same problem because of Animatedacoreboard plugin?

[torpid ridge]

No, they told me that the error would be solved like this and I noticed that the error was on animatedacoreboard.

[mortal coral]

Um yeah I dont think removing plugins would help in this situation, let me resend to see what staff thinks
.

This happends only when Im on 1.20.2+

• Bungee: waterfall-1.20-562.jar
• Backend: 1.18 with latest ViaVersion

[reef fulcrum]

all we can tell you is what it says, something messed up a packet

[safe ravine]

The Waterfall server often crashes on Windows. How can I fix it?

[reef fulcrum]

the custom payload packet is pretty much only used for the brand messages by a standard client, so that is pretty much going to be induced by something like plugins

[mortal coral]

Do you know is the issue on lobby or bungee?
There is no any specific msg on bungees console, and on lobby it says player connected and even got effect (they get effect on join)

But you cant actually manage to connect.

[reef fulcrum]

No, all I can tell you is what it says

see logs, maybe you can get some indication there; if the proxy itself doesn't throw an issue it's probably something installed on there

[mortal coral]

ok, ty

[tulip surge]

latest_1.log by @meager knoll: https://pastes.dev/KCWwUCHwga

[meager knoll]

Waterfall not working

[meager knoll]

Plez help

[coral moth]

it looks fine to me, what isn't working?

[meager knoll]

Ya. It's done thanks

[meager knoll]

@amber arrow yaha kar upload problem

[amber arrow]

@hardy marsh

pls help

[reef fulcrum]

Do not ping random people

[amber arrow]

okey

pls help

[onyx carbon]

waterfall currently availbable on 1.20.4?

[bronze pollen]

The problem is I use a plugin called VentureChat but something is not working with waterfall

[delicate phoenix]

Yup, the latest should support 1.20.4.

[reef fulcrum]

Your server sent a system message which was considered invalid to the proxies chat deserialisation logic

generally it seems that bungees handling of that stuff is scuffed in how they handle it and thus it's causing a whole host of issues

[dim oar]

https://pastes.dev/0N5OjVsgpa I get this error when player trys to click disconnect before joining the server

[reef fulcrum]

outside of "reproduce without plugins", no idea

but, this project is EOL, see if you can reproduce against bungee and report to them

[meager knoll]

Hmm anyone

[reef fulcrum]

work out why the connection was closed

[vague gust]

alright i just set up waterfall and it works
so how can i make it have a main lobby and then connect to the server when i run a command or something? like 2b2ts queue or hypixel but with commands (just to test it or whatever)

[nimble ember]

just have at least 2 servers in the config and use /server?

[vague gust]

thanks

oh

[edgy flax]

hi there, i got an error i can't understand. https://mclo.gs/o7GymTr Could someone help me?

[calm oxide]

-> UpstreamBridge - read timed out

[dry thunder]

`connection timed out` / `connection refused`

unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.ConnectTimeoutException: connection timed out``` ```
unable to connect to server
io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException: finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused```
**These exceptions indicate that your proxy cannot connect to the address you've specified.**
There can be several reasons for this:
- The server is not running
- Your proxy is being blocked by e.g. a firewall
- Your network is set up in a way that requires you to use a different address.

If you're sure your server is running, you haven't mistyped the address and the proxy's not being blocked, try following the steps below:

If all your servers and the proxy are on the same machine

Try using localhost as the servers' address.

If you're using Pterodactyl or another panel that utilizes Docker

In general Docker containers are network isolated and will require you to use a different address to reach the machine and not the container.

In Pterodactyl's case the default address to reach the machine is 172.18.0.1 (read more here).

If you're using a host

Speak to their support. Your host should know their own network the best and help you set your proxy up.

[calm oxide]

no

[elder arrow]

Do forced hosts work with SRV records?

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, no

modern clients send the resolved SRV record to the server

I think some older versions would send what you'd expect, but, yea, is fun

[runic magnet]

you can set up unique hosts per srv, a bit more work but it can be done

[elder arrow]

How exactly would I do that?

[vocal gust]

same type error when i used velocity pls help

[reef fulcrum]

Because you have the proxy connecting to itself

[vocal gust]

DUDE caps my friend anyone anyone is not able to join

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

because your proxy is connecting to itself

your proxy should be connecting to your MC server

[vocal gust]

pls be more descriptive

[reef fulcrum]

I can't

[vocal gust]

any tutorial?

[reef fulcrum]

We generally defer to the bungeecord tutorial

but, this is a basic configuration issue

inside of your waterfall config, the lobby server entry

[vocal gust]

ima show u pls 1 min

[reef fulcrum]

you have that connecting to waterfall

you should be pointing it to your actual lobby server

[vocal gust]

gimme a second i had made a lobby server then made it waterfall then added ip of lobby server in its own file as it was waterfall

thats ipv4 of my lobby server which i added to its own server

[reef fulcrum]

also generally looks like you have some weird host setup, I'm out

[vocal gust]

falix

i was using embernodes but its dead

down

[reef fulcrum]

Yea, I see, cos I used a status tester to see what that responded and they gave a falixnodes message

so, I'm out

speak to your host, maybe

[vocal gust]

/:

what if i get same error on embernodes then you gonna reply me?

[reef fulcrum]

no

[vocal gust]

is it a hosting problem?

[reef fulcrum]

I dont know

[vocal gust]

/:

[reef fulcrum]

all I know is that either you're not understanding all I've said, and I'm not really able to word it in any other manner

and so, either there is a knowledge issue relating to your setup being busted

or your host has some weird setup which is causing issues

either way, at this point, there is little I can do to assist

[vocal gust]

umm i also tried in velocity same problem

[reef fulcrum]

Which is irrelevant because you can make the exact same configuration mistake there too

your waterfall proxy is connecting to a proxy which is upset

either that is some weird setup with your host, or you have your waterfall proxy connecting to itself

[vocal gust]

yeah maybe btw i had listend that buggecord support paper plugins is it truth?

[reef fulcrum]

bungeecord/waterfall are standalone, they do not run paper/spigot/bukkit plugins

[vocal gust]

any way to fix it?

[vocal gust]

not any?

[reef fulcrum]

for former, no

for latter, yes

but, I really cannot explain the issue in any more of a simplistic manner

[vocal gust]

i got it

[vocal gust]

and velocity it supports plugin?

of paper and bukkit

[reef fulcrum]

exact same situation

the proxy is standalone

it doesn't run server plugins, it runs proxy plugins

[vocal gust]

umm

[reef fulcrum]

server plugins can talk to the proxy if they want for some things, but for the most part, they do not know or care that there is a proxy

[vocal gust]

i had completed whole ethical hacking course but still always confused with proxy

[vocal gust]

i got known that its my server that is redirecting me to same proxy how to solve it?

[reef fulcrum]

i can't help you

[vocal gust]

bruh

[vocal gust]

what can i do?

[reef fulcrum]

speak to your host and see if they can offer support

[vocal gust]

💀

[reef fulcrum]

if "don't have the lobby server in the waterfall config point to the IP address of your proxy" can't solve your issue, idk what to tell you

[vocal gust]

no i have added ip adress of my lobby server in config file

[reef fulcrum]

and, so, unless you have a server in your waterfall config whoses IP address points back to the proxy, all I can guess is that it's a host oddity

but, idk your setup and generally will not provide support for weird hosts

[vocal gust]

lol

lets try a thing

ik i am right but im make velocity again

and do confirgution right

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, if you're saying that your proxy is not connecting to itself, then its probably down to your host

[vocal gust]

should i try other host then?

[reef fulcrum]

your server

[vocal gust]

is it possible to make 1 velocity server on other host and other paper in another 1 host

[reef fulcrum]

assuming your hosts don't block such traffic, yes

[vocal gust]

lets try it then im going for blaze if its up

wait tf i got why my server not working

because i had being a bitch i had added my lobby server ip in its on waterfall file

lol

knowledge issue thats happens when u skip videos

ok btw very thanks electroniccat for supporting

[bronze pollen]

The problem is that many plugins like discordSRV or VentureChat trigger this error

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

as I've already indicated

anything that cancels chat on the proxy will fuck up the server

there is a reason why velocity just explictly boots you when you try that

[marble kelp]

how does it handle proxy-only chat plugins then?

[reef fulcrum]

it doesn't

[marble kelp]

one more argument to continue using Waterfall then lol

[reef fulcrum]

I think spigot just basically hard disables that mechanism, and so theykinda jus don't care

[marble kelp]

this would completely break my chat setup xD

how do servers do cross-server chat with velo then?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, it breaks the chain

signed velocity, basically

or just handle it through the backends

signed velocity basically uncancels and then cancels on the backend server

ideally we just have a channel we can send enough to the backend to maintain the chain as-is

[marble kelp]

I don't get why not caring about the backend and doing everything on the proxy isn't already a thing but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef fulcrum]

what?

[marble kelp]

maybe I start caring about that if I really move to Velocity at some point

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, you likely have commands in which need to run on the backend

[marble kelp]

but aren't only specific commands part of the chain?

[reef fulcrum]

Not exactly

because running commands also has things to keep the chain updated, like the ack flag

thankfully on waterfall I have some improvements to the situation

but, it's still prone to causing you to getting kicked from the backend

[marble kelp]

weird, never saw that issue

[reef fulcrum]

but, idk what all the circumstances are, I just know that not letting chat get to the backend willend up causing some level of desync

[marble kelp]

probably because all my chat is system chat anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef fulcrum]

well, yea, if you disable the system then you're not gonna be afflicted by it

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/blob/master/BungeeCord-Patches/0066-Prevent-proxy-commands-from-breaking-the-chat-chain-.patch

[marble kelp]

haven't really looked into how that ended up working xD

but would be interesting to see how many servers actually support the reporting functionality lol

[reef fulcrum]

atm, my understanding is very few

ik a bunch of them wanted us to get support into velocity but basically kinda gave up 😄

[marble kelp]

I wonder if simply synching it between all proxies/servers via something like redis would be enough

[reef fulcrum]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/9828

[marble kelp]

how does that work, as far as I can tell it just handles the stuff even if it was cancelled?

(as you can see, I have no idea how that works internally lol)

[reef fulcrum]

hm?

the idea is that you can just send the stuff you need to maintain the chain on the server to the server and keep stuff happy

like, your biggest concern is the backend falling out of sync, whatever people wanna do with chat on the proxy, i.e. if they wanna just defer to system messages or actually try to maintain signing, that's on them

[marble kelp]

yeah that'S what I thought, just confused by that traHandleChat method

(and current code base doesn't seem to have that anymore 👀 )

[reef fulcrum]

tryHandleChat is basically what validates + updates the chain

[marble kelp]

or rather, not in that form

ah, so they just named it poorly, I see

[reef fulcrum]

Nobody ever accused devs of being good with names

method looks to have changed, but, yea

[dire mist]

help

i'm using plugin TAB on waterfall.

It doesn't hook with placeholder API.

[reef fulcrum]

read the docs for the plugin/seek support from wherever the plugin suggests you do so

[dire mist]

ohh alright now its working, ive used their placeholders instead of the placeholderapi bungee ones

[stiff falcon]

bad packet, are mods in use!? Couldn't read all bytes from a packet. For more information, launch Waterfall with -Dwaterfall.packet-decode-logging=true

This error came up, is there a way to disable it?

We are running simple voice chat on the server side and im assuming its something to do with that, as these errors only suddenly came up when we added it

[reef fulcrum]

No

[tired junco]

https://paste.helpch.at/suzosuyore.pl
Hello, I am getting this error, it kicks my players, could you help me?

[tired junco]

The same thing happens to me, but it's not voice chat

[tired junco]

skinsrestorer told me that it could be a bad implementation error on your part

[reef fulcrum]

Packet GAME:TO_CLIENT/58 (PlayerListItemUpdate) larger than expected, extra bytes: 1001

We don't modify that packet, and so if' it's an issue with waterfall, it's probably an issue with bungeecord

outside of that, all we can see is that a packet was oversized, you would generally need to work out what is causing too much data to be sent, if using modded, probably that

[safe dome]

can someone help me? i dont understand this error. I don't know what to do next. https://pastes.dev/AsnT9Bn75T

[reef fulcrum]

Something is sending a chat component and spigots parsing logic is mangling it

[marble kelp]

or it might just be invalid when sent

or actually no, that is a valid packet

the packet reader just expects it to be an object when it can be an array too :S

[edgy flax]

hi there i got this error and some players cant join https://mclo.gs/IXOWcVw

[reef fulcrum]

bungees handling of components generally seems to be busted

[edgy flax]

is there something i can do to fix this?

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, no

it's a bungeecord bug, outside of trying to work out what is being sent, reproducing it in bungeecord, and reporting it to them, there is no real options unless you wanna maybe consider looking towards velocity

[fierce briar]

hey so basically i have this two particular bungeecord servers that doesnt let me connect to, whenever i do try it doesnt say anything for about a minute and then it gives me an error any help?

its probably something just me being an idiot but ive checked the servers and they are setup correctly

[nimble ember]

well all we can see is that it wasnt able to connect

make sure the ip is correct and that nothing is blocking it

[mortal coral]

Why my backed server detects different ping then my client?
I saw on every other bungee server it match it.

What did I do wrong?

[hazy orchid]

I updated my waterfall and now i'm getting this error when trying to connect

[tidal musk]

I have question does anyone know replacment to

Becues paper uses it login and i have a rate limit

[reef fulcrum]

There is no means to replace that as that is literally mojangs authentication system

The only fix is to scream at mojang to fix their api, or, load balance your requests to them

[dire mist]

umm

what is this?

where's all of it comming from?

[nova pine]

Hello. what does it mean. I installed the Viaversion and it displays this
message when I connect "Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.lang.Index0ut0fBoundsException: Index 103 out of bounds for length 10"

how can I make a waterfall so that players enter the game from versions higher. that is, from 1.20-1.20.4?

[reef fulcrum]

all we can tell you is that apparently something got a malformed packet

waterfall is just a proxy

if you want protocol version translation you'd want something like via, as already indicated

[nova pine]

that's all there is to the waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

okay, and?

[nova pine]

I
I installed Viaversion and it started giving the same error as in the screenshot

[reef fulcrum]

well, we don't support protocol hacks

and so, if you're ahving issues induced by via, you'd need to report it to them

otherwise, general debugging of "start yanking plugins", etc

[inland summit]

Sometimes, users are experiencing disconnection from the server due to the reason 'disconnect.exceeded_packet_rate'. Is there a way to fix this issue?

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @dull atlas: https://pastes.dev/e11tK18kn6

[reef fulcrum]

Illegal character in scheme name at index 0:

apparently you mangled the property for that

[marble kelp]

s31

err, that was supposed to be a / xD

[copper plaza]

When will 1.20.4 waterfall come?

[twin solstice]

it already exists?

for a very long time already

[copper plaza]

weird, the other day i couldnt join on 1.20.4 must have been a via issue

and is the issue with Waterfall and viaversion fixed yet?

I was told to put the plugins on the backend servers because their was an issue with 1.20.?

[marble kelp]

you should always put via on the backend server 👀

[copper plaza]

Wiki says that is suggested, as bungee hooks into finding the versions on the backend servers, but there was an issue with 1.20.4 waterfall I believe with via version on bungee

So we had no choice, but to put them only on the backend servers

I just haven’t been synced in recently with waterfall and if they had an update or if it was via version plug-ins that needed the update

[reef fulcrum]

I heard some reports that it was broken on bungee

so, given that the proxy supports 1.20.4, assuming you don't care about newer versions, it should be fine to just shove it on the backend servers

[ocean hound]

Hi, /send all <server> doesn't work for me and it crashes with this error. I also wanted to write a plugin for /survival and /lobby and it also crashes with this error when connecting. Can anyone help me?

And this is displayed in the console:
No client connected for pending server!

[reef fulcrum]

because the client disconnected unexpectidely

something mangled a packet and the client disconnected

[wicked willow]

can i connect waterfall to waterfall?

[twin solstice]

the first question is

why

[wicked willow]

do you know multipaper

[twin solstice]

yes

why would you need a proxy in a proxy for that

[river cedar]

any ideas?

[marble kelp]

did you connect to the port that you had waterfall listen to?

[river cedar]

u might be right there

yup thanks

[marble kelp]

is that minecraft server running publicly? because if so then you should make sure you can't connect to it to get that screen as that means anyone could exploit it

[river cedar]

wdym?

[marble kelp]

anyone could setup a bungee proxy and connect to your server with any account

[river cedar]

how would i prevent that?

[marble kelp]

you need to make sure only your proxy can connect to your minecraft server(s) (e.g. running on localhost, using a vpn or a firewall) or that you authenticate forwarded data (e.g. with BungeeGuard)

[river cedar]

so could i do localhost:port since it's all on the same server? would that make it less dodgy?

[marble kelp]

yes

[river cedar]

ok

[dry thunder]

Community contributed configuration guide for Paper: https://paper-chan.moe/paper-optimization

[hidden shore]

Hello, I already configured everything but it doesn't connect, can someone help me?

[drifting bobcat]

400 players, many traffic 5 backend servers.
How many need ram for waterfall?

[lunar dragon]

Kicked whilst connecting to lobby: If you wish to use IP forwarding, please enable it in your BungeeCord config as well!

how can fix this?
i have activated ip_forward: true

[elder matrix]

Hello, IP forwarding for GeyserMC does not work for me, but everything works fine for minecraft java

[reef fulcrum]

You need to connect to the actual proxy

Not directly to a backend server

[arctic veldt]

my waterfall will run then crash?

[reef fulcrum]

You'd need the actual crash report, that gives us literally nothing to go off

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @arctic veldt: https://pastes.dev/LawRF4bDYH

[arctic veldt]

wait thats the wrong thing

[tulip surge]

message_1.txt by @arctic veldt: https://pastes.dev/PD3ECD8r29

[arctic veldt]

around line 137 a bunch of random stuff starts

[arctic veldt]

any help

[reef fulcrum]

Your server was having ssl issues, generally down to networking issues, mojangs servers being derp, or a busted Java install

And then your server apparently created a thread dump for some reason, generally that only occurs when something explicitly tells Java to do that

[arctic veldt]

so should i try to install java from a older version? What do u suggest

to fix it

[reef fulcrum]

depends on how you're hosting the server

generally you'd more perfer newer versions of java

[arctic veldt]

the server hosting im using allows me to choose between four java versions

by default its automatically decide

so i should set it to java 17?

[reef fulcrum]

[arctic veldt]

lol alr

[arctic veldt]

electro what java do you recommend the hosting company i use, uses adoptium java

they asked me to ask what java is recommended

[wooden parrot]

temurin java should be fine

[somber patrol]

@celest mango I can’t find the one I usually reference but Googling “how to secure bungeecord backend” will get you some guides on what to do to secure the backend.

Firewall, config files, etc.

If you can find versions of the plugins you use for Velocity you could switch to velocity.

[celest mango]

what would i have to change if i go to velocity?

[somber patrol]

Replace waterfall with velocity, get new plugins, configure velocity. Done.

[torpid ridge]

Hello

Even though I wrote my server's IP address in the config.yml file, I still get this error.

[charred coral]

Is the server on the same node with proxy?

If so

You need to configure the firewall rules

[celest mango]

does anyone know how i can fix this?

[reef fulcrum]

Something mangled a packet

[tidal musk]

Solution

?

[reef fulcrum]

work out what did it

i.e. reproduce without plugins, etc

[tidal musk]

Bro

i used via version, rewind , backward

In proxy

Than this error started coming

[reef fulcrum]

We don't support protocol hacks

[tidal musk]

Whts tht

[reef fulcrum]

plugins which hack the protocol

i.e. via

[tidal musk]

Via?

[reef fulcrum]

if adding such a plugin caused the issue, you'd need to speak to them

ViaVersion, etc

[tidal musk]

wait

Isn't via version belong to paper?

[reef fulcrum]

no

[tidal musk]

If no why it's in papermc web

[reef fulcrum]

Because we have a resource repository for people to post their plugins

[tidal musk]

Ok

Tell me how to fix it

Should I remove via?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, if adding via caused your issue, then, yea

[tidal musk]

I just wnt Work proxy

how to confirm it's done by via

[reef fulcrum]

remove it

[tidal musk]

Ok

[reef fulcrum]

if it stops happing, it was probably because of Via or some other plugin being incompatible with it

[tidal musk]

I just use via

In waterfall srv

After removing

Via

I got this issue while going from lobby to SURVIVAL

Petrodactyl

----------Waterfall/proxy srv----
Waterfall: Latest
Plugins: no plugins

Survival server
Paper 1.19.4
Plugins (91): AdvancedAntiVPN, AdvancedBan, AdvancedLogger, AdvancedPortals, ajLeaderboards, AntiAD, AntiOP, AureliumSkills, BankPlus, BKCommonLib, BlockParticles, BlueSlimeCore, BossShopPro, ChestShop, ChunkCollector, Citizens, ClearLag, CMILib, CombatLogX, CrazyAuctionsPlus, CrazyCrates, DeathMessages, DecentHolograms, DeluxeCoinflip, Essentials, EssentialsChat, EssentialsSpawn, ExploitFixer, floodgate, Geyser-Spigot, GriefPrevention, HamsterAPI, Hibernate, IllegalStack, Infiniteannouncements, InvSeePlusPlus, InvSeePlusPlus_Clear, InvSeePlusPlus_Give, ItemsAdder, Jobs, LimitedUses, Logger, LoginSecurity, LoneLibs, LuckPerms, Minepacks, Multiverse-Core, My_Worlds, NexEngine, NitroCommandRedirect, NoEncryption, PlaceholderAPI, PlayerKits, PlayerKits2, PlayerPoints, PlayerWarps, PlugManX, ProtocolLib, ResourcePackDownloader, RoseStacker, Sellwand, ServersNPC, ShopGUIPlus, SilkSpawners_v2, SimpleRename, SkinsRestorer, skRayFall, Skript, skript-fishing, sleep-most, SuperbVote, SuperVanish, TAB, Tebex, TerraformGenerator, TimeLock, TMTokens, UltraCosmetics, Vault, ViaBackwards, ViaRewind, ViaVersion, Votifier, Vulcan, WorldEdit, WorldGuard, WorldGuardExtraFlags, FastLogin, GamePoints, PINPrompt, T2C-OPSecurity

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, advice is generally gonna be to reproduce without plugins

seeing that list, I have 0 inclination to provide further support

[tidal musk]

Means

Why won't u will provide me support

[reef fulcrum]

Because you're using plugins which are only used by offline mode servers, and plugins which are known to create issues

[tidal musk]

which are known to create issue name them

[reef fulcrum]

SkinsRestorer, for one

[tidal musk]

and

[reef fulcrum]

well, that's the primary one, other plugins are more gameplay messing, not connection messing

either way, I'm out

[tidal musk]

Btw

How to change connection

Timeout time

Like I seen a guy saying increase tht in GitHub issues

Janmm14 commented on Sep 29, 2021
try increase timeout and server_connect_timeout

[tidal musk]

Why ur out

you don't know solution

?

[torpid ridge]

Server opened in separate accounts

[charred coral]

separate accounts?

[torpid ridge]

Two servers opened with different accounts

[charred coral]

If they are on the same node, you have to configure the firewall rules

[torpid ridge]

Yes

[charred coral]

Accounts don't really matter

Do you own the host?

[torpid ridge]

Where do I configure firewall rules?

[charred coral]

https://pterodactyl.io/community/games/minecraft.html#network-configuration

[torpid ridge]

I set all config settings

There is nothing wrong with the settings

I use numeric ip instead of localhost

[charred coral]

Did you do this?

[torpid ridge]

what's this?

[charred coral]

so you did not read the docs after all

Do you own the host?

[torpid ridge]

no

[charred coral]

Read the docs and run those commands

[charred coral]

Tell the host owner to do it

How did they let that slide 💀

[torpid ridge]

server belongs to me

i am owner

[charred coral]

bruh

Open a ticket on the hostings website / discord & Tell them to change the firewall rules to allow any server to access all other servers as well as all ports on the node

[torpid ridge]

ok thanks for your help

[charred coral]

no problem!

[tidal musk]

Hey! I was just wondering cause im not able to dins it anywhere, how can you send data with the player on the PlayerTransferServerEvent, where a plugin on server A will add a piece of data for example: add a selection uuid piece of data, and when sent to server B, be able to read what was added, in a plugin on the server?

[reef fulcrum]

there is no such mechanism

or, well, event

there is the messaging channel which you can use to queue messages on the proxy and send them over to that server

too dead, you'd need to see the docs for that channel

[tidal musk]

Ok, so how do i get the data i want to send from the plugin on server A

[reef fulcrum]

you use the forward bungeecord channel

[tidal musk]

Oops sorry for ping

[reef fulcrum]

and then the content is pretty much just going to look like literally any normal plugin message

[tidal musk]

So if im using this as like the player selects what profile they want to play on in server a then send that selection to server b to load the profile, is this manipulatable in any way by the player?

[reef fulcrum]

well, yes

you'd basically need a plugin on the proxy in order to protect the client from being able to send plugin messages using your channel or something

[tidal musk]

Alright, thanks for the help ill try to read on channels, and see what i can do

[junior lodge]

can someone help me setup waterfall i have everything needed for it

i need help basically with knowning how to server everything up i got 3 servers that are needed for it

[somber patrol]

We do have this "getting started" guide

https://docs.papermc.io/waterfall/getting-started

Anything specific from there that jumps out at you or is confusing?

[junior lodge]

confused

really confused

i used to know how to do it now i dont

[junior lodge]

could u help?

i think i have everything setup but server says cannot be reached?

[somber patrol]

I'd recommemd reading the guide Ilinked. I might be able to answer a specific question but I'm not sure what you're hung up on. I don't work with Waterfall much.

[junior lodge]

there isnt much in the guide

[junior lodge]

i have all the ips and everything setup but it says server cannot be reached

[somber patrol]

Can you post the error log? What says server can't be reached?

[junior lodge]

yeah

[05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [Log4jPatch] [INFO] Patching org/apache/logging/log4j/core/pattern/MessagePatternConverter [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [Log4jPatch] [WARN] Unable to find noLookups:Z field in org/apache/logging/log4j/core/pattern/MessagePatternConverter [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [Log4jPatch] [INFO] Patching org/apache/logging/log4j/core/lookup/JndiLookup [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] WARN StatusConsoleListener Advanced terminal features are not available in this environment [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [INFO] Using mbed TLS based native cipher. [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [INFO] Using zlib based native compressor. [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [INFO] Enabled Waterfall version git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:92b5149:562 [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [INFO] Not on Windows, attempting to use enhanced EpollEventLoop [05.02 18:09:38] [Server] [INFO] Epoll is working, utilising it! [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_alert, file=modules/cmd_alert.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_find, file=modules/cmd_find.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_list, file=modules/cmd_list.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_send, file=modules/cmd_send.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_server, file=modules/cmd_server.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=reconnect_yaml, file=modules/reconnect_yaml.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Loaded plugin reconnect_yaml version git:reconnect_yaml:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:92b5149:562 by WaterfallMC [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Loaded plugin cmd_find version git:cmd_find:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:92b5149:562 by WaterfallMC [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Loaded plugin cmd_server version git:cmd_server:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:92b5149:562 by WaterfallMC [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Loaded plugin cmd_alert version git:cmd_alert:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:92b5149:562 by WaterfallMC [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Loaded plugin cmd_send version git:cmd_send:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:92b5149:562 by WaterfallMC [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [INFO] Loaded plugin cmd_list version git:cmd_list:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:92b5149:562 by WaterfallMC [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [ERROR] Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Server lobby (priority 0) is not defined [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [ERROR] at com.google.common.base.Preconditions.checkArgument(Preconditions.java:414) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [ERROR] at net.md_5.bungee.conf.Configuration.load(Configuration.java:165) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [ERROR] at io.github.waterfallmc.waterfall.conf.WaterfallConfiguration.load(WaterfallConfiguration.java:67) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [ERROR] at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:291) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [ERROR] at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:67) [05.02 18:09:39] [Server] [ERROR] at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15)

[dry thunder]

Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

[junior lodge]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/97c72eb3e8df49ed8949afa314552177

[somber patrol]

Can you post the log from the backend server also?

[junior lodge]

yeah

[somber patrol]

That log you posted says:

Server lobby (priority 0) is not defined

Bloom's setup guide might be a bit more full featured

https://docs.bloom.host/waterfall/

[junior lodge]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/dc0534016d2f4d0f9afc7b6258d9e986

[somber patrol]

Was the first result when I Goolged setting up Waterfall

disconnected, reason: If you wish to use IP forwarding, please enable it in your BungeeCord config as well!

Check that Bloom guide for the ip forwarding bit.

[junior lodge]

how do i make it so u can join from servers direct ip and thru the hub

[junior lodge]

can u still help?

[junior lodge]

can anyone?

[charred coral]

direct ip? through the hub?

Can you explain what you mean

[junior lodge]

yes ill explain

so i can connect thru the hub

[tough vale]

Waterfall has Bungee's Forced Hosts system - you can configure a connection address that will automatically attempt to connect players to a configured server instead of whatever the default behavior is.

If you mean connecting directly to the backend server without going through the proxy, that is not possible

[junior lodge]

but i also wanna direct connect to a server

yes

what u said

how do i allow that too

[tough vale]

Configure it in the proxy's config

[junior lodge]

can u help me

ive been trying

but the server says enable port forwarding

[wraith stirrup]

disconnected with: Kicked whilst connecting to hub: Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.io.IOException: Packet login/0 (PacketLoginInStart) was larger than I expected, found 1 bytes extra whilst reading packet 0

Anyone know how to fix this??

[junior lodge]

whats your congif

config

[wraith stirrup]

Do I send it?

[dry thunder]

Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

[junior lodge]

take your ips out tho

i dont need that

dont expose them

[junior lodge]

i think it has something to do with being on a diffrent version