folia-testing

[hexed valley]

bruh I checked the wrong channel

[eager mountain]

Its already blowing up

[civic laurel]

dont show michael...

[halcyon knoll]

uh oh

[median walrus]

Sorry I'm noob what is folia

[halcyon knoll]

shit's fucked

[cosmic fern]

Fyling sand

[manic ruin]

no00o00o0000

[round umbra]

hmm

[sour token]

Look at this beauty https://i.imgur.com/tHXmA6K.jpeg

[sharp jay]

The world is gone.

[sick raptor]

what happened

[vernal orchid]

https://f.u11.io/5bXsfo

[round umbra]

i was enjoying my jukebox :(

[true rampart]

580Mbit/s outbound spike

[dull moth]

pog

[surreal bloom]

I trapped 300 players in a box in Minecraft vibes

[vernal orchid]

welp that was fun until an op punched me off

[manic ruin]

hes outtt

[sharp jay]

I’m glad you have keep inventory on lol

[brisk fog]

die to get free

[marsh pawn]

so that tp didnt affect me lol

[shell gazelle]

I died and got "You were kicked from folia: Packet processing error"

[dull moth]

common legendarybob13 w

[marsh pawn]

never got tped lol

[manic ruin]

when you die you spawn on top

[remote spade]

I escaped using boats

[manic ruin]

yea i got a pic of it

[remote spade]

Haha

[vernal orchid]

can I get a tp back to the box, Underscore11

[manic ruin]

i was next to u

[shell gazelle]

Yea, I was in a boat when I died

[remote spade]

I almost got away I had a water bucket too

[median walrus]

What even is folia guys

[remote spade]

But I threw it by accident

[surreal bloom]

64TB of storage, I think we can handle it

technically it's on the same drive so 6.4 but shh

[stray tartan]

Toggle sneak makes creative fly really annoying 😦

[mortal ravine]

toggle sneak user

[surreal bloom]

announcements

[dawn sluice]

Raid 404?!

[surreal bloom]

edited it, dunno about raid; what I mean is the logs directory is on a single drive

[brisk fog]

disable pvp so people never escape by death

[stray tartan]

I'm a builder and alpha pvper 😛

Also it's built in to the game these days as an accessibility thing

[spring light]

I already escaped 😎

[round gyro]

I think im stuck in the dead region it just hangs on Joining World

[median walrus]

It says it's new software unless I'm looking in the wrong place

[dawn sluice]

Couldnt be io a thing, even with those nvmes?

[tropic grail]

i'm impressed that the server is handling this many players in one area tbh

[round umbra]

the url is a minecraft server ip

[sick raptor]

someone should totally /give me a jukebox and all the songs

become a DJ

[round umbra]

i've got a jukebox in the corner

[surreal bloom]

io of what

chunk writing etc is separate threads

[dawn sluice]

Storage device, not CPU

[ornate smelt]

wonder how fast the server would fill up if the server was in offline mode at the very end

[brave mango]

no

[sick raptor]

ok think about this. 2b2t has like a 100 player cap and it took what, like 10 years to hit its like 20TB of storage. imagine 1000-5000 players on one anarchy SMP after like a year

[vernal orchid]

hey @nova shale made a folia sign near the roof if you want a screenshot

[surreal bloom]

all the cracked already noticed it's online mode and left

[sick raptor]

i will boot up so many alts

[stray tartan]

Linux scheduler takes NUMA in to account

[echo bear]

group photo guys

[round gyro]

whats the minehut im struggling to get into the normal one

[surreal bloom]

the address is in #announcements, minehut stuff was a joke I believe?

[round gyro]

oh found it nvm

[vernal orchid]

nope MH is legit

[elfin sinew]

oh man it's awesome. When the API will be available? I want to play around with Regioniser implementation

[surreal bloom]

no eta

[vernal orchid]

top 6 on MH smps apparently lol

[elfin sinew]

😭

[vernal orchid]

folia sign https://f.u11.io/rxiHbL

[surreal bloom]

Minehut website seems to be dying fo rme

[slim mulch]

it's kind of beautiful from a distance

[vernal orchid]

less shit photo https://f.u11.io/C3Pyb2

[stoic pulsar]

https://imageio.forbes.com/blogs-images/insertcoin/files/2018/09/fortnite-cube-watch.jpg?format=jpg&width=960

[coral lava]

it always does that

[stoic pulsar]

same vibe

[marsh pawn]

just fill the box with withers lol

[shell gazelle]

I haven't been able to get enough data for the seed :'|

[rough hinge]

@native kestrel nice flag :3

[native kestrel]

thx :3

[true rampart]

🏳️‍⚧️

[marsh pawn]

OH NO

[nova shale]

Guys send me cool screenshots of the test!

@ me!

[pliant mortar]

I go back to my PC and leaf's patches have somehow created a massive bedrock wall!

[stoic pulsar]

holy shit @static hill reference

[marsh pawn]

actually that would be interesting just seeing the box just perma blind

[static hill]

hello

[true rampart]

@royal creek

get the right stella out

[stoic pulsar]

now kith

[true rampart]

go away fake stella

[hexed valley]

how did people even get items

[static hill]

my bad

[brisk fog]

[true rampart]

@static hill

@royal creek

[surreal bloom]

by playing the game

[static hill]

[stoic pulsar]

its beautiful

[shell gazelle]

I like the guy running at me with TNT xD

[stoic pulsar]

civilized 2b2t

[fossil notch]

beautiful

[hexed valley]

wellll I just joined a few minutes ago xD

[uneven glacier]

I have school :(

[civic laurel]

ur late

[surreal bloom]

you as parents: wanna hear a story about how we met

[uneven glacier]

I'll join later lmao

[pastel gust]

how many stack traces are flooding the console at the moment

[shell gazelle]

Got some iron though xD

[surreal bloom]

lots

[static hill]

yeah

[true rampart]

surprisingly little

there's probably <100 stacktraces overall

[drowsy latch]

what's the ip? 😂

[cosmic fern]

No clients xD

[surreal bloom]

totally readable rn

[surreal bloom]

#announcements

[shell gazelle]

rt.spottedleaf.io

[honest thunder]

spawn feels like an anarchy server

[nimble glen]

:)

[spring light]

lowest tps

0.05

[zinc trench]

Finally

Lets make a spigot in minecraft with leftover copper blocks

And then blow it up

[surreal bloom]

obviously sugar cane

[marsh pawn]

just put wardens in the box to clear people out lol

[civic laurel]

im stuck in dying xD

[halcyon knoll]

the lava??

[burnt quartz]

karma

[halcyon knoll]

this feels like less bug testing and more "ok lets have fun" now lmao

[civic laurel]

YOU

[spring light]

FitMC

[static hill]

oomfier spotted

[honest thunder]

chunk rendering game

[tepid juniper]

how to buy donor rank

[burnt quartz]

no way stellar

[static hill]

anyways i got my noodles, gaming time

[civic laurel]

what about my plugins stella

[static hill]

effort

[civic laurel]

i hope you game very bad

[burnt quartz]

can i steal stella's job

[static hill]

but also: its the weekend

[sleek widget]

my house 🥲

[burnt quartz]

thx

[civic laurel]

do you work in weekends? yes? youre hired

[static hill]

probably will happen depending on what i get kek

[true rampart]

@civic laurel send cat pictures

[lone thorn]

is this meant to happen?

[static hill]

this sucks

[lone thorn]

was the respawn point not set inside?

[burnt quartz]

depends how bored i am

[static hill]

this is what i was gonna say

[nova shale]

[sleek widget]

press in the chat

[true rampart]

[surreal bloom]

you very far away from the spawn? yes

[lone thorn]

:( last time i respawned in the bedrock cage

idk why i'm sad

[shell gazelle]

Yea, 2:43AM in the Netherlands too (obviously xD)

[frigid schooner]

Team 3am

[pastel gust]

9:44am here 😄

[burnt quartz]

fren

[tranquil lava]

Which part sucks?

[static hill]

no speaking

[tranquil lava]

Oh yeah

Chat would be too crazy to handle right now

[surreal bloom]

Well, it's either you're in the Americas and it's like afternoon, Europe and it's midnight or East Asia/Oceania and it's morning

[sick raptor]

hmmmmm

[placid socket]

is the server running well might switch to it

[echo yarrow]

is that a giraffe?

[civic laurel]

deffo a giraffe

[static hill]

requesting a tp to these bozos your honor

[sick raptor]

burher

[surreal bloom]

server jar is not available as of yet

[nimble glen]

Found u Kenny!

[sour token]

[placid socket]

alr but is it running well on the test server

[burnt quartz]

come

[hollow meadow]

new mob

[tranquil lava]

Yes.

[burnt quartz]

we're on an island

[static hill]

small issue noct

[frigid schooner]

Happy to see 1.19.4 Update stream in a EST compatible way.

[placid socket]

cool

[lone thorn]

xd so i'm stuck outside now?

[burnt quartz]

tpa

[static hill]

OH

[burnt quartz]

lol

trolled

[static hill]

ok man

[civic laurel]

good job

[celest bough]

sleeping is broken?

[static hill]

is it .2

[echo yarrow]

i keep getting disconnected D:

[burnt quartz]

.3

[static hill]

right so its just a mojang mioment

[pastel gust]

is there anything in particular we should be doing in our gameplay to aid in the testing process?

[echo bear]

do it for the paper hardfork

[static hill]

hardfork my beloved

[lone thorn]

anyone i can tpa to? :P

[surreal bloom]

regular stuff playing the game

[nimble glen]

Got put in adventure mode

[remote spade]

Bruh

[static hill]

your mo

[lilac geode]

what is this...

[pastel gust]

will there be an easy way to grab the thread instance of a particular existing entity or block?

[arctic cove]

well by "somewhere inbetween" you mean parallelized

[burnt quartz]

minecraft google map user spotted

[static hill]

noct its hole time baby

[surreal bloom]

no promises about the api

[static hill]

time to update fork ig

[coral glade]

I think mojang's session server rate limited testing server, I can not log in because authserver is not reachable nvm

[cerulean escarp]

there will be region/entity scheduler, so you can schedule task on a location

(or an entity)

[low maple]

I assume chat being disabled is deliberate?

[nimble glen]

crooked rod

[pastel gust]

sweet, thanks

[burnt quartz]

yes

[surreal bloom]

yes

[uneven glacier]

damn

seems like everything is going wrong

[short grove]

folia is craziness

in some weird language

[lone thorn]

xd ok

[short grove]

yes

[nimble glen]

Server is going anarchy now!

[surreal bloom]

well in many languages it's just foil

[short grove]

french i think

[surreal bloom]

we've already joked about this a lot

[short grove]

shit :(

[low maple]

Nah, not French, that would be "folie"

[dense ibex]

zzz

[quick tartan]

Is this offer still valid? I'd like to have some fun

[static hill]

1.19.3 <3

[short grove]

nowo i remember vivaldi winter said folia and like bass drop

[shell gazelle]

Would only one region be created if you would line up players, with one player per chunk all adjacent? And what would happen when two regions were to join?

[burnt quartz]

send it over

[static hill]

que (?)

[stray tartan]

Yeah that would only be one region

[burnt quartz]

google map

[stray tartan]

If two regions get close to each other they're merged in to a single region

[lone thorn]

oh hi kodingdev i guess i think i know you from a thing

xd i'm tired

[static hill]

updating my fork rn

[low maple]

Would folia result in any improvement on a server running on a single CPU core?

[paper star]

spottedstar is answering questions in his twitter chat

[shell gazelle]

And what would happen if they were out of sync in tps?

[static hill]

sup, i get around

[burnt quartz]

twitter chat

[static hill]

brr

[tranquil lava]

No.

[stray tartan]

The fast one would pause until the slow one finished a tick, they'd merge, then the new one would be slow still

Even slower, probablyh

[paper star]

twitch chat* lol

[brave mango]

damn

[paper star]

they're so similar

[west bane]

Did todays test actually "require" these op specs for handling todays max player count, or was just "just nice to have"?

[static hill]

lol???

[civic geode]

hmm

[hexed valley]

1.91TB RAM used 💀

[arctic cove]

love seeing T for memory size lol

[nova shale]

it was just nice to have.

[shell gazelle]

So pretty much a thread.join as seen in C++?

[true rampart]

hugepages

[stray tartan]

The goal was to have a server powerful enough to ensure we hit software limits before we maxed out the hardware

[hexed valley]

ah

[cosmic fern]

Redstone stuck

[stray tartan]

Eh, kind of

[woven sluice]

would there be a way to run stuff before/after the various parallel threads do their work?

[hexed valley]

never looked into hugepages. I roughly know what's going on but I never used it. Considered it for a VM but didn't do it

[stray tartan]

There are per-region schedulers, dunno if there is an API for them

[remote spade]

I’m frozen again

[shell gazelle]

So, should one region be like 200 ticks behind the faster on (theoretically). Would that mean that region would freeze for 10 seconds/200 ticks?

[lone thorn]

i wonder why /tpa'ing random people could not be a good idea...

[stray tartan]

I don't think there is much point to explicit hugepages, the kernel can transparently use them when you allocate large sequential chunks of memory

[stray tartan]

No, just one

[shell gazelle]

Alright, so then it's a tick skip, I guess? That's nice

[stray tartan]

No reason it would need to skip anything there

[pastel gust]

where is spotted reading questions from?

[sour token]

@granite oasis https://i.imgur.com/6UPaWw7.jpeg

[stray tartan]

I mean, if you were somehow looking at the region's total tick counter I suppose you'd see if jump forward or backward but there is no reason it would have to skip anything in the redstone scheduler or such

[tranquil lava]

Twitch chat

[pastel gust]

thanks

[low maple]

I appear to be lost in the middle of nowhere

[tranquil lava]

https://twitch.tv/spottedstar

[shell gazelle]

Yea, that's what I mean xD
Didn't mean in the scheduler

[slim mulch]

fear.

[nova shale]

lol dont go in there

its a death box

[slim mulch]

no I already escaped, I meant the tower shadow

[rough hinge]

oh hey i see you table

[low maple]

did any large group of player band together by any chance?

[rough hinge]

~5 of us here

[sturdy marlin]

hey is anyone still in the box? can i tp?

[terse lance]

i stayed in the corner of the death box for a while hitting a jukebox with some people

[rough hinge]

sure, ckiee

[sturdy marlin]

ty

[lone thorn]

can i too?

[cosmic fern]

Region frezze, 5 beside works again the redstone

[lone thorn]

thanks!

[quick tartan]

@pearl idol may I get another teleport or did you get killed too?

[silent estuary]

its thekodetoad omg

[rough hinge]

tp to me ckiee if you want the bedrock box

[low maple]

On second thought having pvp enabled might not have been the brightest idea

[nova shale]

[tranquil lava]

Armor stands are cursed

[static hill]

@true rampart can u give me like eff 5 netherite unbreakable tools and a beacon

[lone thorn]

sleepy thecodetoad

*thekodetoad

[static hill]

im working hard

[lone thorn]

omg pandaninjas!

[silent estuary]

yoo

[lone thorn]

yes

prism launcher pr person!! omg

[quick tartan]

the Paper project is open-source, we accept PRs
is banned from the GitHub repo

[tranquil lava]

You're banned from Github?

[quick tartan]

the repo, yes

[tranquil lava]

Why?

[quick tartan]

I responded to a spam issue lol

[dusty jay]

With... more spam?

[tranquil lava]

RIP

[glass sapphire]

free download no virus working 2023

[rotund coral]

will folia be more optimized then paper?

[pearl roost]

Could separate threads on each chunk introduce exploits? How will it be mitigated?

[tranquil lava]

It's a multi-threaded region fork of Paper

[untold steeple]

*free vbucks included xD

[dusty jay]

Yeah that seems about right then.

[royal oyster]

free virus not working 2023

[sour token]

Having a spam comment marked as spam doesn't mean you're banned from the org

[dawn trellis]

kennytelevision speaks words

[sour token]

Ok you are indeed banned from the org

[granite oasis]

lol

[sour token]

Let me check if there's anything else to this

[silent estuary]

best gc is to restart the process 😎

[dusty jay]

Epsilon GC!

[cerulean escarp]

could last ~4 minutes here

or actually even less, just over a minute

[rough hinge]

hey if Masterfireheart is here try tping again

[azure zealot]

Will this brand new software being opensource?

[true rampart]

yes

[azure zealot]

nice to hear

[fathom goblet]

RIP bedrock cube region

[dull moth]

im not in the stage thing right now, but what are the server specs and what is performance looking like?

[true rampart]

pins

[civic laurel]

is there a way to visualize the regions? would be cool to actually see how it works

[arctic cove]

unless you mean literally visualize, it's basically just any chunks that are connected and not close to another region

so with a bunch of players think of a bunch of overlapping circles connected

thatd be one region

[nova shale]

^ bubble bath is the best way to imagine it

[pliant mortar]

no bubble bath analogies allowed

[trail eagle]

it could be interesting to actually visualize it. Such as as a squaremap addon

as far as I have heard there would not be API to do this though, as there is no API to see what chunks a region owns (just the other way around)

[arctic cove]

yeah if you want to draw a bunch of circles or something on a map i guess you could. but that depends on some map plugin supporting folia

[nova shale]

I am sure squremap will support it

jmp is epic

[arctic cove]

squaremap probably can because its a small, modern plugin

[outer jay]

it would be helpful to see all regions and their performance on a map. Then you can see why particular regions tick so slowly (coz theyre big) or find outliers (small regions could be lag machines)

[arctic cove]

dynmap might have some trouble

[sage wave]

GC is crying rn

[civic laurel]

so regions have a dynamic size right?

[arctic cove]

yep

chunks near each other / connected are guaranteed to be a region or merge with a closeby region to become one

[civic laurel]

whats like the minimal and maximum size of one region?

[nova shale]

@shrewd quiver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWIdTX3Kmk

[arctic cove]

zero to infinite, probably

[trail eagle]

minimum guarantee is ~8 chunk readius

[arctic cove]

a region could be any connected chunks

[trail eagle]

this is what leaf said yesterday

[arctic cove]

^ probably the merge radius

sounds reasonable

[civic laurel]

interesting stuff

[outer jay]

I wonder if you could detect a player entering your region with some redstone mechanism

[arctic cove]

as far as i know this system depends on there being discrete regions

[outer jay]

Im sure someone will figure something out lol

[arctic cove]

it breaks down if you somehow construct a mega-region but that would probably only be in artificial cases

[outer jay]

^ is possible if players position themselves strategically

[arctic cove]

ye

players making a huge chain lol

[outer jay]

maybe a long minecart track and people going around in circles

[paper star]

am i the only one with a netherite sword lol

[civic laurel]

so, maybe this is a dumb question but... doesnt this mean your server is actually very hard to lag? give or take a few regions being shite... allowing as many players till your cpu hits 100%?

[cerulean escarp]

no

[paper star]

ah

[cerulean escarp]

but that guy certainly did not actually mine all of that legitimately or even manually

[bright hamlet]

Is there supposed to be this many villagers at my location? 🤔

[cerulean escarp]

seems like about the right number? wow there are a lot

[civic laurel]

i see nothing wrong with that

[nova shale]

Guys keep the screenshot coming. @ me if you have something interesting

[distant dove]

are chunks pre-generated on this server?

[nova shale]

nope

[ornate smelt]

god it took forever to reach this laggy af village

[distant dove]

very epic

how long has this project been in development for?

[frank tundra]

can someone tell me what this is

[ornate smelt]

someone killed me just as I reached the village with tnt

[rough hinge]

new life formed in the bedrock box after it almost all got wiped out, everyone's peaceful

[nova shale]

#announcements has a short introduction. This is the future of Minecraft!

[arctic cove]

it means specific regions might lag, but not the entire server

[frank tundra]

is it new minecraft server tech or smth

[nova shale]

hahahhahaah

[arctic cove]

this breaks up block/entity ticking into several threads rather than one main thread

[hollow glacier]

gotta say this feels even smoother then paper by the self so far

[arctic cove]

its a parallelized system

[arctic cove]

no, they've been testing it without, chunk loading would be insanely better if it was already generated

random respawning with millions of blocks radius

[frank tundra]

? surely minecraft wouldve already been like that

[rough hinge]

we're in #289587909638488064

[arctic cove]

no it isnt there is a main thread

[pliant mortar]

reminds me of the community bulletin board on my server

[frank tundra]

thats ridiculous no wonder alot of vanilla servers have lag issues 😬

[arctic cove]

finger ninja is a good choice of painting

[distant dove]

i'm impressed that chunks are not pre-generated, this is a proper real-world stress test

[arctic cove]

that was the point, if it was pregenned this wouldnt be a good test of the regionizing system

[rough hinge]

yeah everyone is so nicee

[arctic cove]

but its probably still a good idea to pregen, gen sucks

[pliant mortar]

in general multi-threading an open world is one of the most difficult problems in game development

[civic laurel]

but to lag all the regions, youd need to have a pretty shitty cpu right?

[nova shale]

if this was pregen'd server probably wont be lagging at the slightest

[arctic cove]

youd have to saturate every region

[civic laurel]

eh, there is 0 farms

[arctic cove]

or saturate the CPU

whichever comes first

[civic laurel]

real life is very different from empty world like this

but, this sure isnt bad at all

[rough hinge]

+1

but tiny

[arctic cove]

yeah i mean when you aren't running on a 128 thread system

[true rampart]

@cosmic ruin what's the best CPU we can get for this is the real question

you're the CPU guy

ok where do we get 7950X servers

[arctic cove]

7950X3D maybe? cause leaf said you guys were only using up to 18 threads

actually the cache on those are weird huh

[frank tundra]

yall lost me ngl

[arctic cove]

only 1 ccd

[ornate smelt]

isn't cache hit rate with mc terrible

[true rampart]

@arctic elk can we loan 7950X for Folia

[civic laurel]

im very excited to see what something like this would do to our server... on our 7 month old map we are really struggling at like 80-90 players. all of our plugins are below 1% of tick except for protocollib

[arctic cove]

good to know, I personally haven't seen many people test it

[stray tartan]

For some reason Intel CPUs are way better for chunk generation

Even if they lose like everything else both core for core and due to having less (performance) cores

[arctic cove]

Abby lent me a whole 3950x for chunky at one point, on a new machine before they rented it out to users

[nova shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1083640315497418842/1083907424416710737/image.png

[dawn trellis]

yeah mojang asked them to do that

[arctic cove]

still love that I was allowed to do that lmao

[steel zenith]

I think it'd be memory access latency?

[stray tartan]

Games in general tend to run better on Intel CPUs, only exception is the AMD ones with vcache

[distant dove]

Intel CPU's have superior per-core performance

[stray tartan]

That could be, AMD's memory controller is still kind of meh compared to Intel

[untold remnant]

How will folia handle datapacks? It seems like the multiple regions would run the data pack commands that run each tick once in every thread

[distant dove]

The 13900KS would a monster if Java ran as fast as native code

[hollow glacier]

pats 3700x take your time

[arctic cove]

how did you test?

minecraft benchmarking is hard

[dawn trellis]

System.currentTimeMillis

[distant dove]

are there any hostile mobs?

[nova shale]

yes

[distant dove]

i haven't seen any hostile mobs in the caves i've been going through

[arctic cove]

jeeeeez, 7950x twice as fast as 3800x?

wouldnt have expected it to be that wide between 2 gens

[dense sapphire]

I just went through 11k blocks to get to the spawn because I appeared in a random place, I was watching the progress video and a zombie killed me 💀

[arctic cove]

well I'm glad I have a 7950x then, good for testing minecraft lmao

[dense sapphire]

https://streamable.com/hr3gxu

[nova shale]

guys save screenshots and everything

we are wrapping up

[civic laurel]

https://sirkillian.gg/i/35h88rr6lr5e8yrf.png i play minecraft

[nova shale]

Thank you all again to help out today!!! the test was epic

[proven ferry]

Newer intel chips have both e cores and p cores (bigLittle arch), as compared to AMD, not sure how much this affects chunk generation with higher threads used

[arctic cove]

I only have a 3070 😄 couldn't swallow paying another 2K for a GPU to play minecraft

but a 7950x made sense to me

[royal creek]

<3

[civic laurel]

to be fair i do other games too but uhhh, i needed a good business expense to reduce taxes so i kinda went overboard

[graceful kite]

[arctic cove]

lol that's one way lmao

[royal creek]

thanks owen for about 30 chests full of wool, we used at least 2 stacks of it

[true rampart]

this test server is a good tax writeoff

[still plaza]

ip?

[burnt quartz]

#announcements

[granite oasis]

😍

[rough hinge]

the region is fine it's just the redstone lagging it a looot

[burnt quartz]

its closing in <2 minutes

-Xms moment

[granite oasis]

What an awesome run

[graceful kite]

how is redstone handled on folia if adjacent chunks are in different regions

[cerulean escarp]

no its set to 512gb. partially for that reason

[wraith bluff]

what cpu is folia using now ?

[graceful kite]

or is a region eliminated and all redstone chunks are taken over by one of the 2

[halcyon knoll]

ooop shes gone

[shell gazelle]

No seed 😦

[manic ruin]

was ganna afk to heat up my room with shaders on but uhh

[sturdy marlin]

rip server

[granite oasis]

Yeah, we're shutting it down now, I think.

[wild swift]

that was fun guys thanks

[granite oasis]

Thank you all, 🥰
We are saving the world

[halcyon knoll]

when my bedroom gets cold, i just have a gaming session

[graceful kite]

fortnite save the world ?!

[daring trout]

flag protected

[west shale]

thank you all for the night

[arctic cove]

great to see folia with a lot of uptime during this test rather than not

super impressive show

[shell gazelle]

Yea, right before I could get the seed xD
I'll wait until the server goes up again (should it go up again)

[manic ruin]

well i was ganna leave mc on over 3 screens with shaders

[hollow glacier]

glad i could be here for at least a bit. cant wait to see how much more this developes

[rocky shuttle]

Just reading all of this now, how does it run?

[zinc trench]

when would this be useable

[drowsy latch]

agender awareness 🖤🤍💚🤍🖤

[halcyon knoll]

Will there be any further tests for Folia in the near or distant future or is this all that's needed?

[last basalt]

Looking forward to seeing the stats on this test

[zinc trench]

#announcements

[hexed valley]

yes

[dusty delta]

"folia regions" are not "world chunks/regions", two adjacent loaded chunks will be in the same ticking region

[manic ruin]

ill just leave steamvr open instaed

[hexed valley]

we had like 200300+ players and it worked fine

[tranquil lava]

300+

[nova shale]

327+ (captured by screenshot)

[wraith bluff]

will folia be open sourced when it get released publicly ?

[manic ruin]

yea it was almost 350 i think

[zinc trench]

when would it release 🙂

[ornate smelt]

can't wait to find out that 90/91 of my patches break from forking it

[tranquil lava]

327 seems to have been the max.

[pale raptor]

good luck with development guys, this is an amazing project!

[tranquil lava]

And sounds like we might do some more tests.

[paper star]

you could of watched stream for names and then teleported to them lol

[tranquil lava]

Stay tuned!

[hollow glacier]

327 with how smooth it was thats impressive

[tranquil lava]

We'll post in announcements if they happen

[sturdy marlin]

Thanks devs that was fun!

[lilac kite]

Was only on for the last 15 minutes and barely got to do anything XD

[burnt quartz]

scicraft

[graceful kite]

ah, i misunderstood how folia actually chunked up the chunks

thought it wouldve been possible for nearbys to be in different regions

[tranquil lava]

Thanks everyone for playing and watching!

[halcyon knoll]

Thank you for having us <3

[dense sapphire]

I saw an image of the coordinates uploaded here, I decided to go on my own from 0, I did it in 1 hour. When the zombie killed me I just asked owen for a teleport

[halcyon knoll]

Many chaos. Much fun.

[hollow glacier]

gald to meet you all 😄

[round gyro]

Thank you all devs!

[shell gazelle]

No outro music?

Sheesh

[dusty delta]

no, if two ticking regions become adjacent, they merge

[drowsy latch]

managed to build the majority of trans flag and the agender flag, wooo!! thanks admins for wool towards the end

[dry totem]

Thank you all! 😄

[drowsy latch]

legit had a blast

[zinc trench]

basically my semi-multi-threaded-broken-paper-fork will be no longer useful

[round gyro]

same

[zinc trench]

let me throw thisproject into the dump

[graceful kite]

sounds like Folia loses its efficacy the closer together players are, sadge

[flat cairn]

Thank you for your amazing dev work and for the test. This is really exciting.

[zinc trench]

bigger map and more ram L

[halcyon knoll]

Huge congrats to leaf and anyone else involved in the development of Folia - it's pretty revolutionary.

[tranquil lava]

It's designed to be able to run with a lot of people in different regions.

[remote spade]

That was fun

[drowsy latch]

"alright now that the twitch stream is over, let's quickly turn the server on with a new ip and just say it in voice so only those in the staging channel can join"

[tranquil lava]

But we did have ~200+ people in one box and it worked pretty well.

[deft galleon]

Early testing homie, but having over 300 players on a server with 20TPS is unheard of

[graceful kite]

its nonetheless an impressive feat

[lone thorn]

screenshot

[zinc trench]

just use 100GB of ram on a single minecraft server

[dense ibex]

still might be better to use non server cpus tbh

[cerulean escarp]

but camm have you heard of multipaper?

[tranquil lava]

It'd also work better if people were playing the game and not trying to nuke the server as much.

[burnt quartz]

"pretty well" for 200+ players in a box

[graceful kite]

ofc :P

[zinc trench]

true but stability is on top

[manic ruin]

yes

[deft galleon]

multipaper!? this IS the new multipaper

[rough hinge]

this real?

[zinc trench]

multipaper is buggy ngl

[dense ibex]

18 region ticking threads is what was being used at 300 players or something?

[tranquil lava]

200 players in a box with people spawning mobs and fireworks and all kinds of laggy stuff, yeah.

[true rampart]

multipaper is trash

[deft galleon]

no

[arctic cove]

this feels way better than multipaper

[burnt quartz]

working on multifolia

[zinc trench]

like if you think you can run 100 players are on a single thread and x(your core count)

[dense ibex]

scaling folia horizontally 😈

[lone thorn]

3am

[zinc trench]

you wont get the playeramount over that

your just lacking players thats all

[remote spade]

Folia in skyblock is like Hypixels setup 💀

[nova rune]

why are you sending this?

[lone thorn]

i'm sleppy

[drowsy latch]

scale folia verticially (cubic chunsk)

[dense ibex]

10000 players on 1 minecraft server world !?!?!

[wraith bluff]

will Folia support spigot api lol

[manic ruin]

on a flat world with a ryzen 9 5950x i got nearly 700 players (695) on a flat world spread out around a 200 block radius

[remote spade]

Yes it does

[manic ruin]

and all connections were holding fine

[zinc trench]

you tested out folia or what

[manic ruin]

its not open yet

it was on reguar paper

[zinc trench]

oh and 700?

[burnt quartz]

@true rampart do you have like gain control or anything similar

[manic ruin]

yea

[tranquil lava]

We'd have to test it but if we did a flat world and optimized the config we could run thousands of concurrent players.

[manic ruin]

if they are too close it reduces performance

[cerulean escarp]

but andyishereboi have you heard of minestorm?

[hollow glacier]

i can imagine potentally on prision servers this might be useful

[manic ruin]

n

[drowsy latch]

imagine 1000 player skyblock folia but everyone's about 1k blocks away and can bridge to join other's islands

[cerulean escarp]

minestorm can do 50000 players in 200 block radius

[zinc trench]

max i got was 300 w/ 20TPS on a overclocked i9-13900k

[hollow glacier]

but i dont really know that much i just see cool project and go "i must learn more"

[cerulean escarp]

minestorm is better

[remote spade]

Minestom Flat world can get like 20k people

[halcyon knoll]

Creative / plot-based serves will benefit hugely from this.

[slate hearth]

And survival

[dawn trellis]

minestorm

[zinc trench]

was smp non flat vanilla map

[tranquil lava]

This was a test with a bunch of users spamming mobs and other laggy stuff, on mostly stock configs.

Maintaining 20tps consistently with 327 players.

[manic ruin]

on a regular world?

[true rampart]

i do

[zinc trench]

yep it was 1.17.1 tho

[deft galleon]

Emily

[arctic cove]

it implements the majority of the bukkit api, just plugins need to opt in because you need to be region aware

[burnt quartz]

yeah when you speak it kinda gets muffled

[true rampart]

i'm not talking very loudly though it's 4am

[wraith bluff]

ok cool

[dawn trellis]

you forgot to bold the i

[tranquil lava]

Michael please scream in my ear.

[slate hearth]

Is the test server still up?

[cerulean escarp]

no

[deft galleon]

I love michael speaking

[dawn trellis]

same

[slate hearth]

Aw

[tranquil lava]

Nope, took it down

[true rampart]

i think that might be because of my kvm switch when i return to macos

heard of that issue yesterday aswell

[deft galleon]

best year of my life was 2022 when I first heard michael speak ]

[minor star]

Curious what the render distance was? Wasn’t around to join.

[slate hearth]

What was top player count?

[remote spade]

It was 7

[stray tartan]

337

[nova shale]

pinned message @minor star

[arctic cove]

327 or so

[civic laurel]

someones simping

[zinc trench]

simple! make your own plugins! dont download it from spigot forums

[minor star]

Thanks

[true rampart]

either that or you're just hearing the effect of my compressor

[tranquil lava]

Sim distance 5, view distance 7

[drowsy latch]

there's a BD that lets you see user's local time

[shell gazelle]

Thanks for the opportunity to join the test. I am heading out now too (4.12AM), just hmu should anything be needed

[arctic cove]

very easy 🙂

[deft galleon]

Don't be jealous that I'm openly simping for michael and not you

[slate hearth]

Holy shit

[tranquil lava]

Correction: 327

[zinc trench]

honeslty everyone in here probs can make their own plugins atleast /sethome

[graceful kite]

u overestimate my power

[civic laurel]

calm down skippy

[drowsy latch]

spotted about to scp into your computer and take more than your logs 👀

[manic ruin]

idk java but i know javascript

[zinc trench]

use Skript!

[dense ibex]

wonder how the server could scale with 7950X3D if 256GB of memory is enough 🤔

[true rampart]

sounds fine in audacity actually might just be my compressor sounding like ass through discord or something @burnt quartz

[manic ruin]

i actually did on my minehut server and made 600 bucks off it

in like a month

[true rampart]

or some other weird discord audio issue

[manic ruin]

but never doing skript ever again

[arctic cove]

this will support up to 8 players

[burnt quartz]

wouldnt be surprised if it was a discord issue

[graceful kite]

at most 9

[slate hearth]

Ayo what's wrong skript

[deft galleon]

😠

[graceful kite]

10 is when u hit instability

[stray tartan]

The X3D part is just you wasting $200

[dense ibex]

is it really though lol

[molten temple]

When can we have access to Folia and its API?

[tardy orchid]

Skript is very broken on Folia lol

[slate hearth]

"when it's ready"

[deft galleon]

Have a read of #announcements

[nova shale]

@stray tartan

[waxen geyser]

that must be on someones house... right?

[graceful kite]

nice

[zinc trench]

better then multipaper

[nova shale]

yeah it was leaf's personal server

[graceful kite]

what does the a in tpa mean

[nova shale]

jk it's https://www.vultr.com/

[tranquil lava]

This is a good question.

[drowsy latch]

can you guys give us bored peeps a new server to play around in or are you basically telling us all to go to bed :<

[slate hearth]

Hannah why you asking the hard questions

[deft galleon]

teleport ask

[tranquil lava]

No other server right now.

[graceful kite]

oh

[stray tartan]

accept

[graceful kite]

tp accept accept ?

[civic laurel]

ive been playing mc for 10 years and i never even thought about this...

[tranquil lava]

tpacceptaccept

[slate hearth]

No titanic has I think

Teleport ask

[graceful kite]

damn

[tranquil lava]

This is why we wanted the command to be changed.

:)

[graceful kite]

teleport request

[drowsy latch]

/tpaccept deny

[deft galleon]

/tpa CAMM_ - Teleport ask
/tpaccept - Teleport accept
Leaf's weird usage of /tpaaccept is who knows. Teleport accept x2

[halcyon knoll]

Would Folia be useful for events/meetups or large games? Like when YouTube MC creators do those social experiments with 100+ players. Or is it more aimed at large player counts, but spread out?

[dense ibex]

minecraft can be very memory bandwidth bound lol

[graceful kite]

/tpr

[dense ibex]

but it prob doesn't matter for the server

[civic laurel]

essentials be like

[dense ibex]

seems like x3d has lower base clocks 😔

[graceful kite]

sadge

[slate hearth]

Well, I know what I'll be researching this arvo

[dense ibex]

what about chunk generation?

[graceful kite]

now lets see how Folia performs on Winblows 11

[dense ibex]

ok 9.6

fair enuf

i feel like it would become a problem if chunk generation was made faster

maybe?

[slate hearth]

How bad would it actually run in a windows environment?

Comparatively

[arctic cove]

chunky actually incurs a lot more i/o than it probably should, looking at making some improvements there

[rocky shuttle]

Yeah I meant now that it was stress tested

[arctic cove]

at least w.r.t. folia, going to be looking at several scheduling ideas

[true rampart]

if you run minecraft servers on windows you probably don't need folia

[rocky shuttle]

How did it perform?

[graceful kite]

if u run a server on windows, the only thing u need is mental help

[slate hearth]

Thankfully apart from my local test server, I don't

[graceful kite]

[slate hearth]

The what

[true rampart]

based

[halcyon knoll]

what if you use templeOS

[true rampart]

my m2 max does faster chunky CPS than the 7713 we got for this

[graceful kite]

ill forward this to mfnalex, hes my resident macOS man in Spigot discord

[halcyon knoll]

how about Windows Vista

[stray tartan]

Apple makes CPUs from the future

[halcyon knoll]

My 2021 14" M1 Pro outperforms my 2019 i9 16" MacBook Pro. It's nuts.

[slate hearth]

I wouldn't be surprised if it ran better than the latest bloat os

[hollow glacier]

apple really surpirsed me with how the M series chips perform

[halcyon knoll]

By a big margin too

[pearl quartz]

turns out you can achieve quite a bit with unlimited money

[slate hearth]

Shhhh, those are technicalities

[graceful kite]

then why is windows still bad

[hollow glacier]

ive been tempted to buy a old m1 macbook air/pro

[pearl quartz]

no competition

[terse cliff]

Guys sorry to barge in but if I might ask, what were the specs of the machine running the server?

[remote spade]

They are so good

[halcyon knoll]

Check pins

[graceful kite]

check pinned

[slate hearth]

The old ones are probably better than the new ones tbh

[remote spade]

M2 apparently has thermal throttling issues

[hollow glacier]

binks 10 6.4 tb nvme drives? thats alot of storage

[terse cliff]

BRO

[remote spade]

Or smthn like that

[terse cliff]

💀

[hollow glacier]

not to surpirsed that seems to allways be a semi liminting factor on macs is just cooling

[stray tartan]

M1 vs M2 the M1 is going to be faster for some things if you get the base model MBA or Mac Mini

[remote spade]

I have a M1 air and it’s amazing

[slate hearth]

Disclaimer: I am very biased when it comes to apple pcs

[stray tartan]

And not much difference otherwise

[halcyon knoll]

The whole storage chip thing was a bummer. 2x256GB gives much better performance than 1x512GB but Apple said "haha money saving go brr"

[slate hearth]

Modern apple laptops just don't seem to know what active cooling is?

[stray tartan]

I feel like this whole channel should just be shunted over to #general at this point 😄

[slate hearth]

SORRY

[halcyon knoll]

My 2021 14" Pro does.

[hollow glacier]

fair

[stray tartan]

Apple laptops don't really need cooling anymore 😛

[remote spade]

M CPUs is arm now so there is little to no heat generated problem is that the M2’s removed a bunch of their heat syncs

[graceful kite]

honestly this is an issue with all macs

[tranquil lava]

ALRIGHT THANKS FOR HANGING OUT AND CHATTING EVERYONE! Back to #general

[remote spade]

Not true

[fathom goblet]

We're still entertained

[neat glacier]

yeah generally you can combat that by adding a fan to the CPU

[dawn trellis]

PLEASE OCELOT DO NOT YELL

[tranquil lava]

I'M SORRY EMILY

[waxen geyser]

my 3070 is faster than the server ||jk||

[dawn trellis]

I FORGIVE YOU

[slate hearth]

THIS CHAT IS DEGRADING

[graceful kite]

in my experience apple just by far has horrible thermals

[remote spade]

Haha

[trim zodiac]

byeeee

[terse cliff]

YEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[fathom goblet]

byeee

[graceful kite]

all the way back to 2013 hardware

[trim zodiac]

love the work y'all do! :D

[remote spade]

Must’ve been before Apple silicon.

When they were still using Intel

[terse cliff]

Nah whoever deleted that message ya mom's a hoe fr 😤

[graceful kite]

2013
yeah i think so, lol..

[neat glacier]

Apple users paying $400 for 32 GB of ram

[dense ibex]

sounds like someone using intel cpu

[slate hearth]

I thought the older Mac's were decent?

[terse cliff]

absolutely cring

[remote spade]

Yeah arm macs started in 2020 I think

[slate hearth]

Sorry we really shouldn't be here

#general

[remote spade]

Intel macs we’re god awful

[summer crypt]

Thx Guys !

[terse cliff]

THEY CAN'T STOP ME

[dry totem]

Have a good night! bye everyone! 😴

[terse cliff]

I HAVE THE POWAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

[remote spade]

Bye byeeee

[graceful kite]

theyre fine, if you dont mind your legs burning as u browse the internet on ur lap

[trim zodiac]

byeee

[sour token]

Just to have the results visible here until the channel is open again: Aside from something making a few regions crash, the test went smoothly with ~350 players on that single server at one point. Leaf has written down a few things to fix and will be busy looking through logs/stracktraces, but otherwise we're really happy with how it turned out - so thank you again to everyone that joined!

If you missed out on the tests so far and want a more general overview of Folia when compared to the technical document linked in #announcements/this channel's pins, you can also take a look at a blog post Eternity made: https://paper-chan.moe/folia/