modding-discussion

[quiet current]

yup

also it says v0.3.1? but your repo is on 0.3.0

did it get moved?

[deft pagoda]

I need to do some other improvements as well from a little while ago so I'll try get that done over the weekend

no idea about that

I probably forgot to change the version number somewhere

[quiet current]

well it also happens on 0.3.0, went and built it

hope it's an easy fix

scary bug

[humble nebula]

Anyone know what Seanprcore mod does?

[weak plinth]

It allows other mods to run

Like the API

Allows for the game to run outside code

[humble nebula]

Okay ty

[quiet current]

reminds me of how you need CodeChickenCore to install minecraft mods made by ChickenBones

most importantly NEI

[north steppe]

I have an idea
Lost Kin but every attack is faster and spawns 5 infected balloons

[vestal cradle]

you really live up to your name

[sudden plume]

weaversongang yes

who is weaversong ang

[drowsy geyser]

is there a mod that can just get me every map

[wild lintel]

is there a mod thats like a hard mode without just reducing your hp or making enemies deal more damage

[rain lark]

what are you imagining

[wild lintel]

something that modifies enemy spawns/attacks and boss attacks to make them more difficult

like making aspids shoot more shots

kinda like ultimatum radiance

[velvet tartan]

enemy randomizer was a mistake

[velvet tartan]

yo in randomizer 3, what does the cursed selector mean

[wheat plank]

cursed means most non-progression items only give 1 geo instead, and logic is changed so you tend to get progression items later in the seed

[ionic folio]

i freaking did it

beaten 3 dreamer

ah wrong channel

sry

[rain lark]

you want people to do what they did with ultimatum radiance to literally every enemy in the game

as far as I know nobody's getting paid to make mods so uh that might not happen for a little while werehunie

[dapper root]

I made $10 the other day removing a Wwise sound effect from a game

[wheat plank]

alright, I'm pretty convinced there's something wrong with this room rando seed. I know it isn't on meduim+ because I was able to get items not in the helper log by shade skipping to salubra, yet it persists in claiming I can get the item in mound when my only baldur-killing skill is cyclone slash, which shouldn't be in easy. VS is at 5 grubs, I've only seen 3 so far, and I'm reasonably certain that I've entered all the rooms I can reach.

[steady elbow]

What items do you have?

[wheat plank]

flukenest, spell twister, unbreakable heart, dream weilder, dream nail, cyclone slash, howling wraiths

[steady elbow]

And you used the latest version from the installer to create the seed?

[wheat plank]

yes, I believe so

[steady elbow]

Well, if the helper log says you can get soul catcher, then it expects you to do that with your current items

You may have misclicked on the menu and turned on hard skips

Killing the baldur with cyclone slash isn't very hard after randomizer nerfed baldur hp, so you could go forward by doing that, or you may just want to try a new seed

?guides

[fathom wigeon]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[wheat plank]

yea I'm prob gonna just make a new one, I tried it for a bit but if I did actually turn on spicy skips I don't wanna stick with that

although that seems like an odd thing to randomly do

yea I just made it again with the same settings and seed I thought it was on and definitely didn't get the same thing so I must have accidentally turned something on

[limpid knot]

How do i find mods? And is there any cheaty mods?

[analog sierra]

hi. is taco online? if so i would like the gun mod please.

[rotund latch]

прив

[dry snow]

Someone should make a conceptual tiso boss

[viral silo]

tiso is already a boss

haven't you done the godmaster content?

[dry snow]

You know full well he isn't a "boss" and what happens in P5....

[viral silo]

I don't get what you're saying, this is a proper boss fight

[dry snow]

What do you mean lmao. He isn't even in any "Godmaster content"

If you mean someones already made a tiso boss mod, let me know

[brittle egret]

@analog sierra still unfinished, charms changes not implemented, and most of all a bit buggy

he he

buggy

[dry snow]

Exactly.

[viral silo]

what do you mean autoscroller

[dry snow]

You never "VERSE" him.

you only "SEE" him

Hence why I suggested.... someone should make an actual tiso bossfight mod 🤦

[viral silo]

verse?

[dry snow]

You are such a troll man lol

[viral silo]

don't call me a troll, you're using words that don't mean anything to me

[dry snow]

Mhm just noticed you're spanish. Do you want me to translate? Lol

Verse, Vs, battle, fight.
Same thing.

[viral silo]

could've just said fight

¯_(ツ)_/¯

also I'm not spanish

[dry snow]

french*

well, surely figured you know what verse means

[orchid onyx]

i havent played in a while, is benchwarp really required now for randomizer 2? and should i install randomizer 3 instead or are they different?

[modest badger]

download 3 instead

[orchid onyx]

thanks

[limpid knot]

my question is simple where do i find mods and is there any cheaty mods

[modest badger]

?i

[fathom wigeon]

Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.

[modest badger]

@limpid knot

yes there are

just dowbload debug and set nail dmg to 9999

[limpid knot]

not sure where to find debug and how to use it.

[modest badger]

?i

[fathom wigeon]

Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.

[modest badger]

literally

@limpid knot

[limpid knot]

sorry i am a idiot

[modest badger]

not an issue

[limpid knot]

if i use the mod installer it says it cannot locate "hollow knight installation folder" and whenever i try to manually set it to the hollow knight file it says invalid path selected.

also maybe i should go to #archived-modding-help.

[vestal cradle]

what is your file path

[limpid knot]

desktop/hollow knight (yes i have hollow knight on my desktop)

[vestal cradle]

[modest badger]

thats kind of weird

[vestal cradle]

yes

mind showing a pic of your game folder?

[modest badger]

are you selecting the exe or the file that has exe in it?

[limpid knot]

file that has exe

[modest badger]

ah

[limpid knot]

it won't let me enter the file that has the exe though to make it the exe.

[modest badger]

what

[vestal cradle]

what store do you own the game on

[modest badger]

you should choose this file

[limpid knot]

ching i uh can't really answer that question

and i am choosing that file. it won't let me open the file though.

[vestal cradle]

why can't you answer that question

[modest badger]

^

you dont need to open it

just click on it and select

[limpid knot]

i am

[vestal cradle]

it really would help a ton if you stated the store you bought the game off of

[modest badger]

if he "bought" it

[limpid knot]

yeah i didn't.

[vestal cradle]

that's sugar's screenshot

[modest badger]

its my screen shot

[vestal cradle]

ah

then your solution is very simple

buy the game

[modest badger]

he doesnt have the money you idiot

[vestal cradle]

sad

[limpid knot]

i did buy it on my actual computer but i'm currently visiting somewhere and using my laptop. i really wanted to play it so i decided "mmmm seven sea time".

[vestal cradle]

mhm

[limpid knot]

no honestly

[vestal cradle]

you did this despite the fact that you could just reinstall it off of the platform you bought it on

[limpid knot]

i don't know how that works

plus my computer and laptop are seperate things

[vestal cradle]

you click the "install" button

yes

so are mine

[modest badger]

login

thats how

e.g. you bought it on steam you login in steam and download it

[limpid knot]

ok i'll be honest i'm using someone elses computer (don't worry i have permission) and i can't login to my steam account due to reasons.

[vestal cradle]

this is your second time being honest about a completely different excuse

hmm

[limpid knot]

okay i just give up time to go and die to hornet 47 times.

[vestal cradle]

hornet isn't so hard

[modest badger]

[rose zenith]

Is there any way to make your own room?

[still wolf]

How does the game expect me to get this with just dash? Or is there a different greenpath hallownest seal?

Guess I'm going to find a way to get my shade wedged down there somehow for the next hour

well you see

I have shriek and nothing else

in fact, that is VS

[old plaza]

yeah pretty sure you need either isma's tear or crystal heart for that

[dry snow]

J3Xtrom, you could just get Isma's Tear.

[rose zenith]

Or just use crystal heart if you have it.

[modest badger]

i guess you can get it with claw + dash too

[still wolf]

I just gave up on that one. couldn't find any way of getting it or any other checks

On a different note, how do you get to fungal wastes without any movement upgrades? I feel like I'm missing something

[modest badger]

idk tr

y

shade

[still wolf]

hmm

[modest badger]

[still wolf]

ohhh

[modest badger]

you got it?

[still wolf]

I think so hopefully

[modest badger]

what

did you get it or not

[still wolf]

nope

I thought I could shade skip in queens station over the gap

[modest badger]

not that one

the one in the crossroads

[still wolf]

all I can think of is the dash gap left of the aspid gauntlet room, but there isn't a way to die in there as far as I know

am I just the big dumb right now?

[weak plinth]

you can skip in queen's station across the gap

[still wolf]

How though? Shade keeps warping back to the bottom if he gets too high and fireballs don't seem to be enough

[weak plinth]

You don't use the shade

3 vs or wraiths casts is enough

[rose zenith]

Is there any way to make your own rooms?

[weak plinth]

Space them out more. Don't spam 3 in a row

[still wolf]

There we go finally

thank you!

[still wolf]

goddang sans undertale was hiding my dash from me the whole time

[restive lotus]

possible to mod the switch version?

[modest badger]

no

[faint solar]

playing the item randomizer, I accidentally got the void heart before going through the birthplace due to not having shade cloak at the same time as having king soul. Can I still get the item that would have replaced void heart?

[weak plinth]

Yes

Void heart also opens it

[faint solar]

thanks

[barren pollen]

For the enemy HP bar mod, is there a way to shrink the size of the HP bar? It's massive on my screen. (Playing in 4k resolution, is that the issue? Is there a way to fix while still playing in 4k?)

[wheat plank]

enemy hp bar has a memory leak and causes really bad lag

[barren pollen]

Does it now?

thanks for the warning.

but if I were to use it, is there a fix for how massive the HP bar is?

[modest badger]

modify it

[barren pollen]

... I'm not a developer.

I'm just wondering if there's a fix in the game or some config I couldn't find

[modest badger]

no there isnt

[barren pollen]

rip

[modest badger]

[barren pollen]

pity about the memory leak on the hp bar mod, tbh

[viral silo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[barren pollen]

It was really useful, but if it's going to make hollow knight eat up resources like it was doing just now, then I guess I have to deal without it

[weak plinth]

I think there was something about the HP bars running as intended at 720p

Maybe that bug was fixed, but when it was being made, there were some weird resolution specific bugs

And 720p is where it operated correctly

[barren pollen]

ah, well, rip that. I play in borderless window mode, so I need to be at my monitor's native resolution.

Also, the memory leak/lag got me killed, so I uninstalled it

I really hope it's fixed, I loved the mod, it made me play a lot smarter and know when to go all-out

[still wolf]

I'm kind of stumped on this randomizer. Is there any way of getting to the queen without shade cloak?

[weak plinth]

What. I play borderless windowed and I play at 1080p. Not my native Rez at all on my 1440p

[barren pollen]

For some reason, borderless gaming only works for me in my native resolution

But that doesn't matter anymore, health bar mod's lag got me killed, I uninstalled after that

[barren pollen]

I don't know why you doubt it, there's literally no point in lying about this

Your personal experience does not dictate reality of others.

[mild lance]

is there a tool or website that lets you make a map for a randomizer run?

my microsoft paint map is getting really messy lol

[weak plinth]

did you turn fullscreen off in the in-game options?

[barren pollen]

ye, fullscreen is off, as Borderless Gaming requires you to be in windowed mode in the game

[weak plinth]

and then I'm assuming you're using

-popupwindow
-screen-width
-screen-height

for all the launch commands?

[lean current]

Is there a way to manually modify where items are so you can choose where you find certain charms?

[viral silo]

yes

I'd argue it's very easy with mods like randomizer

[lean current]

I don't really want to change every single item's location, just some

[austere wadi]

I'm sure it would be a lot of work, but what would people think of a PvP multiplayer mod for Hollow Knight?

Like just the ability to fight someone else instead of only fighting the in-game monsters.

I only ask because a Rimworld modder added multiplayer to that game https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-01-25-survive-space-together-with-this-rimworld-multiplayer-mod

[modest badger]

56 started working on it

but he stopped i guess

[old plaza]

it would probably have to be local only

because any latency would immediately desync

[barren pollen]

co-op hollow knight would have also been fun

then like I carried my friend through dark souls, he'd carry me through HK

[mental wedge]

you don't carry someone through dark souls, you either beat it on your own or you don't beat it

[solid ember]

crossroads mawlek doesnt drop an item if hes randomized. hopefully that doesnt bite me in the ass this rando

[barren pollen]

same could be said for HK :P
I believe cooperators shouldn't carry you either, but he's my friend, so I forgo some of my personal rules for him.

[manic elk]

https://tenor.com/view/boomer-alert-speaker-alarm-gif-15124610

[raw lichen]

Great modding-discussion

[viral silo]

@solid ember don't you mean, does drop?

[elder mauve]

Any genius code boy on atm?

[olive trail]

@austere wadi I dunno if that's possible. But at which point would PvP be balanced?

And how would they translate HK's systems to a PvP system?

How would you translate Nail upgrades?

Or nailarts?

Or the i-frames after getting hit?

That last thing would made some charms useless, like Quick slash.

And other charms would be OP, like UStrength, which would double your damage.

[viral silo]

hollow knight pvp is a bad joke

[olive trail]

Descending Dark too, since it gives you I-frames

@viral silo I'm saying why it would be hard (if not impossible) to implement a PvP mod without messing with the systems and balance.

[viral silo]

I know

I concur

I'm just saying it's a bad joke

[olive trail]

A Coop Hollow Knight mod might work, though.

[viral silo]

already more realistic

actually it would be pretty dope

with like two controlled players linked for stats

one with the shadow, the other with the knight

[austere wadi]

Yeah I guess it would basically be a new game. I mean ultimately the dream would be to be able to play characters other than the knight and have some balance changes so that stuff like that is changed. But at some point it’s just wayyyyy out of scope for a mod and becomes something more like Super Smash Bros

[viral silo]

well, silksong

[austere wadi]

co-op in silksong would be rad

Hey question, has anyone made a playable character other than the knight in any mods? If not, is it prohibitively difficult?

[viral silo]

well, silksong

[austere wadi]

like even just a hornet skin for the knight

[viral silo]

if you mean, custom knight?

only visuals though

but there's a number

[austere wadi]

ooh interesting

[viral silo]

grimm knight is dope

[austere wadi]

Is it possible to add/move around moves from other characters? for example if I wanted to give the player hornet's aoe thread-storm ability

or just too complicated since that starts to involve changing inputs and such

[viral silo]

no mod has done that yeah

which is why I say silksong for new character

[humble nebula]

anyone know what crystalblobles mod does?

[delicate sphinx]

Watch a video

In short it makes Oblobbles shoot the crystal projectiles that Crystal Hunters do

[humble nebula]

ok ty

[dry snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmhh7sW98Hc&t=

Nice embed Discord

[humble nebula]

yall know what elderbug mgod does?

[vast prairie]

if you don't talk to elderbug he shoots you then flies off

[humble nebula]

Lul w0t XD

[weak plinth]

that one is better to experience without knowing what it does

[humble nebula]

i swear he is so cute when you dont talk to him

[finite flare]

Well it might be advised to use full size hornet soooo

[dapper root]

My Hacktoberfest shirt arrived :)

[alpine ether]

fast

mine shipped like 2 days ago i think, still don't have the tracking id tho

also, what stickers do they have this year

[dapper root]

Some sharks, some squares that say DEV on them, and a sloth

and some little circle shaped logo that I don't know

[alpine ether]

circle with dots?

[dapper root]

Digital Ocean logo

[alpine ether]

ah

they had shark last year

[raw lichen]

uwu can't wait

[rose zenith]

[peak marten]

Do you still get achievements when you use mods?

[weak plinth]

Yes

[peak marten]

Oh. Well I'm gonna feel bad during my bonfire run on PC ><

[analog sierra]

scrolled up and saw a mini hornet! I WANTS!

[red copper]

i cant even mod on my switch but i want a mod where every enemy are primal aspids and npcs and bosses are primal aspid based

(thats a joke dont actually make it)

[modest badger]

i missed times when only modding existed and it was offtopic

[restive lotus]

Should I get hk on steam for mods alone?

[viral silo]

yes

[dusk rivet]

using steam trading cards

[viral silo]

they are sold

[finite flare]

Also keyboard controls

[hybrid drum]

Does anyone have the link to the custom knight skin packs?

nvm

[autumn shadow]

So is there like discourse between the modding comunity and everyone else?

[alpine ether]

what

[dapper root]

No, anyone who isn't a modder is killed on sight.

[sharp raft]

aw shit dude

[tender ocean]

where the modinstaller?

[alpine ether]

?m

?h

?i

[fathom wigeon]

Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.

[dry snow]

Is it actually possible to make a DLC size mod into the game?

[alpine ether]

sure

[gaunt hare]

is this actually possible for hollow knight

[sly dagger]

charms, endings and bosses are possible, but i haven't seen any area or enemy mods

[alpine ether]

prolly is

no one's willing to do it

because it's not fun

[vast prairie]

new rooms have been made for the game

it's just hard

though it's been mostly figured out by now, I think

[rose zenith]

i've heard there's a wip level editor.

[weak plinth]

[meager token]

is there a mod that deletes absolute radiance

:(

[viral silo]

yes, it's called debug mod

[modest badger]

make your nail dmg 99999999

oops shes gone

[viral silo]

more like enable godmode

teach her there's stronger gods

[modest badger]

[elfin blade]

yo whats the shit for mods

i got a new hardrive for my pc

and i dont remember the name of it

[analog sierra]

?mpds

?mods

[fathom wigeon]

Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM

[modest badger]

?i

[fathom wigeon]

Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.

[swift galleon]

Um

I can’t seem to find the user1.dat file for some reason

Been trying for a while Olof

[modest badger]

what

why d youneed it

?saves

[fathom wigeon]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[swift galleon]

I lost some geos i wanna get them back by editting the save file

[vestal cradle]

just go collect geo

[viral silo]

it's well known that geo are a rare resource

definitely never had too much at the end

[olive trail]

GUYS

Oblobbles

But each shot spawns a Primal aspid

What do you think?

[weak plinth]

[fiery sandal]

anybody know if theres a mod for the colosseum? to randomize or maybe increase difficulty?

[dusk rivet]

i mean

enemy randomizer works

[weak plinth]

omnes deorum

oh, colo

omnes deorum is for pantheons

[restive lotus]

So did someone say primal crystal twister?

[violet cedar]

so what are all the mods? I checked a little bit but the page I checked only had about 4? I coulda sworn there were way more that I've heard about

[viral silo]

there's around that much that are worth using I'd say yes

[violet cedar]

ohh okay cause I thought I had heard of one a while ago called... the bonfire mod I think?

or is that one just like a no-go?

[viral silo]

nogo

[violet cedar]

kek

[modest badger]

waht

there are not 4 mods

?i

[fathom wigeon]

Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.

[modest badger]

@violet cedar

[violet cedar]

Oh thx. I’ll look at it when I can

[modest badger]

ok

[weak plinth]

?mods

[fathom wigeon]

Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM

[timid island]

anyone got the actual ReadMe for the Charm Overhaul mod

the one that comes with the mod is just gibberish

[left prawn]

Which setup for Randomizer 3 is the best for casual players?

[viral silo]

normal

though I'd argue junk pit for loot is the best

the rest is too simple, there's only a few spots where you know it's worth going

[left prawn]

There also seem to be things I can select from on the right side.

[viral silo]

yeah, junk pit is the best imo

[left prawn]

Okay, thanks. I'll give it a try. 😄

@viral silo
Just to be clear, with Junk Pit I won't need any glitches to beat the game?

[viral silo]

nope

what do you mean by glitch though?

if you're talking about the left difficulty options, then no, it's unrelated

[left prawn]

Okay, thanks. 😄

[viral silo]

though do note that easy considers sometimes you'll need to do pogo on enemies

[left prawn]

So I guess I'd need to play on Easy difficulty, it seems like.

[viral silo]

at first yeah

though you'll realize as you play that you might already be able to play in harder difficulties

I recently found out I could play in Hard despite thinking it would be too difficult

[olive trail]

Is Exaltation mod in the mod installer?

[modest badger]

i remember it was broken

[olive trail]

F.

[left prawn]

I tried out room randomizer, but got soft locked because I rested on a bench in a place I couldn't get out of.

[viral silo]

you can't get softlocked

there's a reason you need to use benchwarp

[weak plinth]

It says right on it that using bench warp is expected

[left prawn]

You mean that I shouldn't have rested on bench two, but needed to not rest at a bench at all? Since the place I needed to go once I soft locked was near the beginning.

[weak plinth]

no

there's a mod called bench warp

use it

[left prawn]

Oh, you mean that. I didn't know I needed to install that.

[weak plinth]

it says it on the options screen

[left prawn]

I must've missed it.

[weak plinth]

"use of benchwarp mod is expected"

[left prawn]

Oh, it says so at the bottom. I'm blind. xD

Why isn't the bench warp mod automatically implemented in the randomizer?

[viral silo]

cause it's not made by the same person

and it's not a randomizer only mod

it's also used by normal runners

[weak plinth]

it is made by the same person

but item randomizer doesn't require use of it

room randomizer does

[left prawn]

It could still be like, when the room randomizer is selected, that the bench warp mod switch is flipped on. It's just a suggestion. ^^

[weak plinth]

or you could just press the button in the installer and put it in your game

¯_(ツ)_/¯

then the mod can be used without randomizer too

it's the most modular when it's not tied to another mod

[left prawn]

Yeah, I know. But it's a suggestion. xD

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to annoy anyone with that.

[calm smelt]

Idk if i'm supposed to ask here, or in the modding help chat, but some mods don't have the readme file, or it gives me an error when i try to open it for some, is there a way to check what the mods do, with a google search, or a way to fix the errors? I've read through the help pinned messages, but didn't find anything..

[weak plinth]

?mods

[fathom wigeon]

Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM

[calm smelt]

Oh, that exists.. Thank you!! 😄

[dapper root]

This hacktoberfest shirt is comfy

[olive trail]

Which is harder?

Atomic Radiance or Ultimatum Radiance?

[vestal cradle]

atomic

[olive trail]

I just watched both fights in YouTube.

Yeah, Atomic is straight up unfair imo

[abstract hornet]

Atomic has attacks often overlap. The climb phase is a joke but the final phase is harder from having 3k hp (orbs seem slightly faster).

[vast prairie]

atomic radiance was made as a meme

not meant to be balanced

[rustic osprey]

whats the hardest modded boss?

[viral silo]

enemy randomizer

it wrecks your game hard

unbeatable I tell you

[modest badger]

atomic rad

[timid island]

Any Radiance

[icy coyote]

Any of you modders out there.
I have an idea.

Primal Radiance

Which shoots 3 Radiances

You're welcome

[vestal cradle]

extremely funny

i am dying of laughter

very original too, i must add

[modest badger]

lmaaaaaooooooooooooooooooooo

[vale sand]

HAHAHA XDDDXDXD WHAT IF?????? PRIMAL ASPID BAD!?!?!?!?!?!😂😂😂😂😂

[deft sail]

What if Primal aspid shoots 5 projectiles? And have 250 health?

[dusk rivet]

elderC

[vale sand]

That joke hasn’t been funny since... ever?

[rose zenith]

i wish there was a mod that let you spawn any npc/enemy anywhere. like cloth vs broken vessel or primal aspids in city of tears.

[weak plinth]

okay

[ornate bolt]

I completed a radiant run of Ultimatum Radiance

It was hella fun but it took forever

[deft sail]

You must have used Wayward Compass!

[deft sail]

I was doing a regular enemy randomizer run. I had to restart my game cause the game was too laggy. After re-entering my enemy randomizer run, this happend.

And yes, i used Zote sprites.

[modest badger]

this kinda looks coool ngl

you better not complain about that

re entering again may work

[deft sail]

Already did. still the same. it may even become worse

the thing is all other rooms will become inaccessable. cause everything will be blocked. so i deleted it. and instead started: Redwing, Blackmoth, Lightbringer. lol

[modest badger]

[vast prairie]

enemy rando has that problem

it loads 2 rooms at once

[deft sail]

I see

[timid island]

after you load the Enemy Randomizer you need to load a save, enter a different room than the one you loaded the save in, quit to menu, and load a save again

then it loads the rooms properly

if you quit to menu in the same room you loaded the save in the game crashes

[deft sail]

I see. Thanks man. Haven't tried it yet, but I'll remember it.

[dawn flower]

Does anybody have a premade CustomKnight spritesheet?

[deft sail]

All scream; for our queen! the other one: for hallownest. All Zotes:

[dawn flower]

I screamed

[vast prairie]

ey

anybody got an idea in what form geo data is stored?

is it a string or smth

[modest badger]

why the fuck it would be a string

[steady elbow]

geo rocks?

or geo

[modest badger]

geo probably

you can find it out with cheat engine

[steady elbow]

it's just playerdata

[vast prairie]

I mean

when does it overflow

[hollow cloak]

geo data is very unspecific

[steady elbow]

it's an int

[vast prairie]

like

how much geo you got

[hollow cloak]

yeah the player data

[steady elbow]

2,147,483,647

probably

[hollow cloak]

which is stored in base64 and encrypted data in your registry?

[modest badger]

cheat engine

[hollow cloak]

cheat engine doesn't tell you the type

[modest badger]

i thought it did

[hollow cloak]

well I suppose you can modify it to see if it turns negative or keeps going but cheat engine itself doesn't know the type

well it can't know the type it's just looking at memory

[modest badger]

but i remember seeing it

[hollow cloak]

if something changes it follows it

well maybe they made something new for .net but that wasn't a thing before

[modest badger]

let me try again

[hollow cloak]

anyway just open playerdata in dnspy ez

[modest badger]

yea this

[hollow cloak]

why the fuck it would be a string
it is technically in a string tho

[sullen siren]

@hollow cloak there is indeed something new for some (not all) .net games

[hollow cloak]

Interesting

[sullen siren]

Anything that runs in mono you can use mono dissect to view all the types

And find instances

[hollow cloak]

I just always used dnspy

[sullen siren]

dnspy is usually better but cheat engine is good for knowing the actual memory layout

Since the order in dnspy doesn't match

.net always puts reference types before primitives in memory, regardless of order in metadata

[hollow cloak]

I haven't really modded any non .net games in a while

[sullen siren]

Same

[hollow cloak]

Well I dunno if you consider il2cpp .net or not

[sullen siren]

Nah

Is there a way to reverse that or are you just fucked if a game used it?

[hollow cloak]

Yeah but it's not perfect

Lots of metadata in the game data to help read stuff

[sullen siren]

That's good

But also kinda weird

[hollow cloak]

Main difficult part is trying to read the native assembly but there are libraries for that

[sullen siren]

Idk why it would ship with the metadata still

[hollow cloak]

Idk, reflection? Monobehaviour serialization?

[sullen siren]

Oh yeah I just kinda assumed reflection and things like it would either be preprocessed or not work

[hollow cloak]

I don't think it used to when it came out

[sullen siren]

I guess there's no reason not to include it

There's better ways to obfuscate if that's the goal

[hollow cloak]

When you load an empty bundle and unity says it's invalid

Same problem Saleh was having

[deft sail]

Experience with Blackmoth mod

[modest badger]

boomer

[deft sail]

yee

[gloomy parcel]

yee

[deft sail]

Y E E

[sinful violet]

is there anywhere i can find more info on what the options in the randomizer mean?

rando 3 i mean

nvm

idk what my aversion to reading readme's is

[sinful violet]

please don't tell me path of pain is required for randomizers

or could be

[weak plinth]

No

White palace could be if you have completionist on though

[sinful violet]

i have junk pit

[sinful violet]

I got a question

Theoretically if silk song is close to hollow knight under the hood could it be modded or stitched together Tale of two wastelands style?

[hollow cloak]

Depends on a lot of things, but technically anything is possible

[tardy thicket]

Heya! New to modded HK. The QoL mod is listed as "Slight improvements to gameplay (skippable cutscenes/credits, “unfixed” menu drop and storage, etc.)". Does this mean it lets you skip the boss intros, like PV/AR shouting for ten minutes every time you grind them on Radiant etc.?

[tardy thicket]

Or, I suppose, more generally: Is there a way to skip the boss intro animations?

[oak jetty]

afair QoL shortens the intro animations of PV/AR quite a bit, not so much for the other bosses

[tardy thicket]

That'll suffice, I suppose. Thanks, I'll give it a try tonight ^^

[soft jackal]

?mods

[fathom wigeon]

Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM

[soft jackal]

?custom knight

hmm

how do i check the knights again?

[alpine ether]

pins

[soft jackal]

ohhh i just noticed them at the top

wait what happened to cute knight?

[alpine ether]

who is cute knight

[modest badger]

might be talking about owo knight i was working on

[rose zenith]

is that for customknight

[modest badger]

yeah

since the gap beetween the eyes is so close , i failed

[rose zenith]

i don't care. do it anyways.

[soft jackal]

owo

it wasn't what i was talking about it but its also good

the one i was talking about was literally named cute knight all i remember about it is someone asked for it here and it looks pink

[vast prairie]

how is it determined what Gruz Mother spawns?

[patent moth]

Hello everyone! Is there a mod list anywhere that I could check? I tried googling it and it brought me here. Are there mods that changes anything related to bosses? Behaviors, new bosses etc?

[weak plinth]

?mods

[fathom wigeon]

Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM

[patent moth]

Thanks @weak plinth

[eager thicket]

How is the bonfire mod broken

[modest badger]

by being broken

[olive trail]

@eager thicket One of the stats supposedly increases your health

And I say "supposedly" because it doesn't.

[eager thicket]

So it's only the health stat that doesn't increase

I8can u still get another mask by gettin the fragments

[olive trail]

The only problem I see with the mod is that the actual currency for leveling up is geo

And you need geo for many other things.

[finite flare]

HK-discussion came up with the idea of randomly generated pantheons and or pantheons in reverse order. What are your guys thoughts on that and how much money do you want.

[vast prairie]

omnes deorum

[digital pebble]

any good mods out yet?

[pure spruce]

I mean, there are those:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM/edit?usp=sharing

If you consider them good, that's entirely up to you

[digital pebble]

well any good boss mods?

like is there anything you guys would recommend?

[pure spruce]

The ones in the list are pretty cool

I think there was a YT channel that did boss mods specifically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfl-pf0SzdE&list=PL0IX4o3mC0z9CWKDtps64WAHTeir7OyHC

They're mostly ultra bosses tho

[digital pebble]

cool

oh it looks good

I guess I can only play this type of mods on pc?

[raw lichen]

yes

[steel magnet]

i thought i was good when i beat absolute radiance hitless....

[abstract hornet]

That is impressive though. You can always invest more time to beat modded bosses (even hitless if that's what you want to shoot for), but it really comes down to whether you find doing so fun.

[pure spruce]

Daughter of Hallownest is my favorite without a doubt

[radiant geyser]

Hey guys, I'm planning to make a Hornet's Father CustomKnight sprite sheet.

Is there anyway I can change the vessel's head shape?

[sharp raft]

have there been any new mods or updates to mods in the recent few months

[abstract hornet]

There's Traitor God, Tribe of Battle, and Nailmasters boss mods that were mid to late October.

[viral silo]

randomizer has gotten some work done to it

[analog sierra]

hey, what are the files written in?

[analog sierra]

my progress on a owo knight

• like more sprites

i also did the soul full gauge

even the shade sprites get an owo face

[alpine ether]

very high quality work there

[analog sierra]

i might publish it

why are some of the sprites rotated in the thingy?

on one frame of the black orb thingy i added a sad face on one of the orbs

[olive trail]

Maybe to save space?

Idk, I'm not a developer

[vast prairie]

to fit 'em on the single sheet

[quartz sand]

how noticeable will the owo be though

[analog sierra]

idk

but im having issues with it so

[alpine ether]

you are wasting your time

[analog sierra]

yup.

the white background showed ingame

rip me ;-;

[subtle swallow]

owo

[analog sierra]

Great idea!

[modest badger]

that wont work

make the lines thicker

or else you wont see it in game

but its pretty hard anyways

[vast prairie]

prolly a p easy mod

[sharp raft]

Sugar?

[modest badger]

yes

@sharp raft

[sharp raft]

How weird

I thought you left over and

[modest badger]

thats not why i left

bruh

[sharp magnet]

is there a mod that makes you spend geo?

[gaunt hare]

geo = life force

[sharp magnet]

uh

i meant like
more things to buy

on a related note, is there a 10th mask mod?

[vestal bough]

Um hey, has anyone ever ripped the spell sound effects before?

[sharp magnet]

nope

at least i dont know anyone who has

[vestal bough]

would anyone know how to?

(and no I can't do it myself mostly because I have it on Switch, not PC)

[weak plinth]

?assets

[fathom wigeon]

Assets
Assets can be found pinned here - https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/301227786658381825/425062958058569738

---

You can get Asset Studio to get assets from the game files here - https://github.com/Perfare/UnityStudio/releases

---

You can get UABE to directly edit assets here (but using a API mod is better) - https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?22675-Unity-Assets-Bundle-Extractor

[sharp magnet]

thank you mickely!

[vestal bough]

Thanks.. though which has the sounds?

[vestal bough]

And I can't get them myself because my HK is on switch

[rain lark]

Hello users

I have migrated radiance.host to a new server

the change happened in less than a minute so there shouldn't have been any noticable downtime

but ping me if issues occur in downloading anything from it

I'm now on EpYC memes to hopefully have a more secure vm and to save me 1 dollar a month

oh and like double the ipc due to a much bigger cache

[scarlet igloo]

E🅱️yc

[sonic summit]

@vestal bough https://www.dropbox.com/sh/faqjj2ekftj1nb4/AADu5kD3mmbAJ-G-J84AmzBra?dl=0&lst=

glhf

[vestal bough]

thanks

[green wing]

quick question how would I go about modding in lan co-op for hollow knight? Co-op game together in one world with few people would be interesting. Everyone does whatever they want, items/equipment could be shared but abilities could be acquired individually. Boss battles could be fought with more than 1 person, depending on how many enetered boss arena and started fight at the same time. (Boss' health scaled to number of players)

And pvp duels in Colosseum of Fools.

That's how I would imagine multi Hollow Knights.

like what languages do i need to understand and what do i need to learn how to do?

[sullen siren]

It would be much better to do no logic at all on the client(s) and send data from the server

But uh

It ain't happening anyway

[raw lichen]

not with that attitude

[sharp magnet]

i would love to see multiplayer in HK

[compact fable]

...is there a way to make HK easier?

...like add more charm slots?

[weak plinth]

Turn on invincibility

[compact fable]

I was hoping like... making the charms go to 13.

[weak plinth]

Just edit your save

Make it go to whatever

99999999999

[sharp magnet]

is there a mod that adds a 10th charm slot?

like

somewhere in the world you can get it?

[compact fable]

...the game has 11 slots

[quick cairn]

keep exploring, you're definitely missing 2 notches

[sharp magnet]

no waIT

i meant 10th mask

yeah i got mixed up

apologies

[quick cairn]

np. dont think so? there are mods like infinite notches or hp that might help

[sharp magnet]

huh

i wonder why there isn't a 10th mask ig

like

[weak plinth]

balance

[sharp magnet]

fair

but 10 is a round number

[weak plinth]

cool

[sharp magnet]

fair

[glossy shard]

Hmm...
Dare I propose unlimited overcharming with more numerous and worsening detrimental effects as the excess increases?

[pearl spire]

Is it possible to mod the game if i bought in windows store

[weak plinth]

No

[valid gorge]

one question about custom knight,what would happen if you increase the knight sprite size?

[valid gorge]

im asking because im going to try to replace the knights sprites with the broken vessel

[raw lichen]

the sprites would be cut off

[modest badger]

you can decrease the size of the broken vessel sprites

and put it

[raw lichen]

hit box wouldn't match

waste of time

[modest badger]

stfu

[haughty eagle]

Going to start a save slot on the Lightbringer mod tomorrow

Super excited

[knotty relic]

im currently beating him by staying on a platform he cant get on

[dry snow]

I'm kinda lost, can someone tell my if there's a mod allowing to do the path of pain again?
Btw i'm sorry if i'm in the wrong channel

[weak plinth]

QoL mod

[dry snow]

thank you

[earnest dome]

Is this the best spot to report bugs for and get help with the new rando 3 beta?

[modest badger]

:neutron:

[wide trench]

what does the mod 'moresaves' do

[hexed nimbus]

adds more save slots

[wide trench]

okay thanks

also what does traitor god do

[hexed nimbus]

?mods

[fathom wigeon]

Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM

[hexed nimbus]

everything listed in the summaries

[abstract hornet]

It makes Traitor Lord slightly harder. Only a little bit. @wide trench

[raw lichen]

Someone should update the google drive

some new mods (ie traitor god) are not on there

[hexed whale]

is there a mod that lets you do bindings in the hall of gods

[weak plinth]

?mods

[fathom wigeon]

Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM

[weak plinth]

yes, bindings mod

[hexed whale]

thonx chief

[weak plinth]

thinx cap

[green wing]

How do I use dnspy to edit hollow knight so I can use the scripting api in the editing?

[abstract dirge]

ah yes

thonks mickelangelo

[haughty eagle]

@wide trench I wouldn't install that mod, it creates a lot of bugs

The more saves mod

I have had some bad experiences with it 😂

[abstract dirge]

Ik that redwing / blackmoth wants to make you powerful

But this infinite soul kinda kills it...

[quick cairn]

more saves shouldnt create a lot of issues. you sure it isnt another mod giving you problems?

i've used it for quite a while without a problem

[haughty eagle]

No, it was more saves

It didn't necessarily bug the game, but it made a couple mods not work well

When I removed that specific mod the other ones worked fine

[quick cairn]

strange. to lukkussu, try it. if its buggy remove, but otherwise i doubt there will be problems

[vague grail]

what does chaos mode do? the readme is like "#chaosmode, glhf"

[raw lichen]

iirc, randomizes stuff like object velocities

[vague grail]

oh

interesting

[raw lichen]

nvm
https://clips.twitch.tv/ManlyBusyOstrichPRChase

[vague grail]

ok, so after trying it. It sure lives up to its name

[weak plinth]

[radiant geyser]

I'm using the Pure Vessel CustomKnight mod model but the games keeps forming it into a plain white cloak model..

Why's this?

*Any idea why?

[weak plinth]

I'm guessing you're playing lightbringer

[radiant geyser]

Yes..

[weak plinth]

that's why

[radiant geyser]

oh okay

Thank you.

[weak plinth]

lightbringer's sprite changes have priority

[cold talon]

Lol this guy is a god https://youtu.be/DQKMw0J9Rn8 and he has less views even than DL Kurosh, gods are not appreciated

[weak plinth]

[raw lichen]

wow brumm's charm is good

[sharp magnet]

so uh

are there any good boss mods?

[raw lichen]

look through mod summaries

it's pinned

[sharp magnet]

any good boss mods

[raw lichen]

Pale Prince, Traitor God, Gods of Battle, Ultimatum Radiance

those are all fairly fun

[sharp magnet]

aight

[raw lichen]

Infinite Grimm is good too but it's more arcadey

[sharp magnet]

you have any reccomendations for a guy who hasn't beaten absrad yet?

[raw lichen]

traitor god and gods of battle should be fine

most of the boss mods are harder than base game so idk

This version of Fennel should be fine

[sharp magnet]

fennel?

[raw lichen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKB8W-qgnJ4

[sharp magnet]

that

is sick

as fuck

[raw lichen]

there's a propeller knight one too but I lost the dll for that

[sharp magnet]

:/

[raw lichen]

plus, it's not that good imo

[sharp magnet]

who made the fennel mod?

[raw lichen]

I did

[sharp magnet]

oH

good job

[raw lichen]

thank you

[sharp magnet]

[abstract hornet]

You updated the Fennel fight Saleh?

[raw lichen]

nope

that's the old one

[abstract hornet]

And if you need the PK file I still have the old file.

[raw lichen]

ah, can you post it here

[abstract hornet]

This should be the one.

[raw lichen]

oh wait, just realized the mods won't work without the other files

[abstract hornet]

That's the most recent one I have from before.

[raw lichen]

ok thanks cranky

[abstract hornet]

I believe this is the actual extra file.

[raw lichen]

yea

It's been so long since I worked on fennel that I lost the plan I had for making Fennel Hedrack-proof

[abstract hornet]

It's been a while, I suspect you just got busy.

[raw lichen]

yes and I'm procrastinating this very moment.

[abstract hornet]

With the holidays there's parties and visiting families and such. 😄

[sharp magnet]

how do you make a custom boss

[raw lichen]

Uh, you make the assets in unity and export and import using assetbundles (info on how to do that in the pins of #archived-modding-development ) then you load the assetbundle with the modding api and write the ai and general code for it there (example being https://github.com/SalehAce1/Fennel)

[sharp magnet]

complicated .-.

[raw lichen]

Like all good things, but also it really isn't that bad, at least, it's not once you get the hang of it

I would make a video guide if I had a microphone and the motivation to do so

[past thorn]

so, I'm making The Knight in Rivals of Aether, I've got Nail Art Spin Slash for Up Smash, Nail Art Slash for Forward Smash, Dash Slash for Dash Attack, Dark Descent for Down Special, what's Down Smash gonna be?

[sterile owl]

Are the moves strictly for moves that The Knight possesses?

[past thorn]

eh, mostly, literally every move I have is part of what The Knight can actually do

[sterile owl]

Okay. Perhaps the Great Slash on both sides of him at two thirds range? Or half range?

[past thorn]

sure why not

also I'm making his double jump have more height so Up Special can be Abyssal Shriek

[sterile owl]

That makes sense.

[past thorn]

or should he have 3 jumps, the third being the Mothwing thing jump

nah scratch that

how many hits does it take to fill up all of the soul with all vessels collected?

[sterile owl]

Two to three I believe.

Allow me to validate that claim.

[past thorn]

so 3x4=12

12 hits to fill it up

[sterile owl]

That's wrong, my mistake. To completely fill it?
...

Let me check.

[past thorn]

yeah

also is this a good Steam Workshop Description + Name?

info3="You can use your Down Aerial do bounce off of opponents, you can also bounce off of certain attacks as well!"
info2="Neutral Special heals you if you have SOUL."
info1="You can get SOUL by attacking others and be able to use your Special Attacks."
name="The Knight"
description="Embrace the void with The Knight! with simple attacks you can't do much with them, they are exceptionally more damaging than other fighters attacks. You also don't have a recovery, but in exchange have a much higher double jump to help get back on stage."

[sterile owl]

Twenty five to thirty.

[past thorn]

what's reasonable for a Smash Bros game?

[sterile owl]

That description accurately and efficiently describes it, so it is an apt description.

Around six to eight per vessel.

[past thorn]

was thinking 3 per vessel but maybe how about 4 or 5 per vessel?

6 to 8 is a bit too much

[sterile owl]

I was originally thinking four or five, so four.

[past thorn]

k

is there any thing else I should be reccomended?

wait

[sterile owl]

Nothing that would be generally beneficial. Though for hysterical purposes, if you were to implement a counter, Mister Mushroom could be the one that delivers the counter.

[past thorn]

good idea but no, all the specials are The Knights spells

including focus

[sterile owl]

I know.

[past thorn]

well, the only real "counter" there is, is the parry, where if you parry an attack the opponent gets frozen for a second or two

[sterile owl]

Indeed.

[past thorn]

im just going to use the shell charm for parry

[sterile owl]

I was merely making an attempt at satire.
Alright.

I'm joyful I was of some assistance to you.

[past thorn]

could I acquire i little bit more assistance from you?

was thinking about how much damage the spells should be

how much should they be?

[sterile owl]

Perhaps. I'm unoccupied presently.

Which variant are they? The void spells, or the basic soul versions?

[past thorn]

idk, maybe void, if there were an official animated trailer he would have his void spells, maybe as something canon but not canon

since it's not his game

[sterile owl]

True. Let's assume they're the void variant, so they'd automatically deal more damage.
If you were able to implement a proportion of soul spent to how much damage is dealt, it could scale from the soul variants to the void variants.

[past thorn]

let's just keep it simple with only void spells

[sterile owl]

Okay. So Shade Soul does Thirty damage. Descending Dark hits a total of three times, fifteen for the dive itself, thirty upon terrain impact, and fifteen from the residual void energy. Abyss Shriek can hit for a total of four times dealing eighty damage; twenty per hit.

With this in mind, it'd probably best to scale their damage down based off of how powerful they are. So Shade Soul could deal say...eighteen. Abyss Shriek could then deal twenty four, or six per hit. Descending Dark could then hit for a total of twenty one. Seven for each successful blow.

[past thorn]

that's better

but can we make the last hit of Descending Dark 12 damage?

[sterile owl]

The residual blast will then deal twelve. How would the rest of the damage be divided. The most even addition for this would be, from first to last hit: four, five, twelve.

[past thorn]

wait

what's the residual blast?

[sterile owl]

The last hit of Descending Dark.

I merely titled it that for my sake. I apologize of this puzzled you.

[past thorn]

ok, so 5 4 12, that's good,

lemme just type this down

[sterile owl]

I have a tendency to remember things and process things via unconventional and strange means. It makes perfect sense to me, but I have a rare thought process, so it tends to perplex others. I apologize if other occurrences of similar nature happen in the future.

[past thorn]

how much should each move knockback? I was thinking Shade Soul should only do a minor knockback while the other 2 would hold them in place on first 2 and 3 hits and the last ones be big knockbacks

also it's ok if you perplex me with your knowledge

just make it understandable

[sterile owl]

Heh. no promises. I'll do my best to elaborate again if it happens.

So...Descending Dark's final hit could catapult them quickly horizontally, and Abyss Shriek's final scream of agony could launch? Not severely, until higher damage of course. Shade Soul could simply trip (they're still standing) them at lower damage and knock them back more per damage taken?

[past thorn]

there's no tripping in Rivals of Aether so I'm gonna take that as a flinch instead of a trip

but those are good

[sterile owl]

I couldn't exactly find the term. That's what I had intended.

[past thorn]

good to know

how much should Focus Soul heal?

[sterile owl]

Twelve or thirteen.

[past thorn]

I'll take 14

[sterile owl]

Alright.

[past thorn]

ok, now for damage and knock back on tilts, aerials and dash attack

it all should be close to eachother

like 1 or 5 damage apart

cept on dash attack

dash attack is gonna hit like kirby's dash attack in SSBU (exaggerating)

[sterile owl]

Okay. Which Nail is he wielding? Old, Sharpened, Channeled, Coiled, or Pure?

[past thorn]

Pure

actually

in game his nail doesn't really have any detail change

so just go with whatever makes you happy

[sterile owl]

For simplicity, we'll choose Pure.

[modern jolt]

Are there any mods that provide a more difficult platforming challenge than path of pain?

I’d imagine it’d be difficult to do, but I’m just wondering

[past thorn]

I don't think so

[modern jolt]

Yeah fair

I wanted to try more stuff involving the knight’s moveset, but then you’d need to create entire new levels

[sterile owl]

That's twenty one damage per strike in game.
The equations arbitrating the damage dealt per nail art are represented as follows: Great Slash: 2.5 times Nail damage. Cyclone Slash: 1.3 time Nail damage per hit. It will hit three to seven times, so let's assume five. 1.3 times Nail times 5. Dash Slash: 2.5 times Nail damage with greater range.
That would be 52.5 for the Great Slash and Dash Slash and 136.5 for Cyclone. That is broken. So, scale Great and Dash down thirty two, and Cyclone down over one hundred and fifteen.

[past thorn]

uh, Great Slash And Cyclone Slash are gonna be Smash attacks

but good thing you mentioned them

I could've messed up on it

[sterile owl]

I'm unsure of what his aerials are...I've heard the term "tilts" before, but lack the knowledge of its meaning.

Actually, no.

I remember.

So twenty one damage per hit, correct? Scale that down ten for each tilt, and knockback should be standard knockback for tilts, whatever that may be.

[past thorn]

what about jab

[sterile owl]

Actually, perhaps scale it down further if you wish.

[past thorn]

also foward tilt is gonna be him walking foward and jabbing

like megaman in smash bros

[sterile owl]

Ten seems a bit strong, but that may be me.
Alright.

So perhaps, given momentum, slightly more knockback and two more points of damage?

[past thorn]

maybe 5-8 could be fine for tilts

[sterile owl]

Seven seems better.

[past thorn]

k

[sterile owl]

...What of his grabs?

I haven't heard mention of them yet.

[past thorn]

there's no grabbing in Rivals of Aether

[sterile owl]

Alright then. One less thing to worry about.

[past thorn]

well, there is grabs but they are just attacks, like Etalus's Up Air which he grabs someone and tosses them diagonally downwards

[sterile owl]

Although if there were, Sharp Shadow could be how he attacks the enemies he constricts via grab.
Yes, I understand that. So...what else?

Aerials, correct?

What exactly are The Knight's Aerials in RoA?

[past thorn]

just what he does in HK, also what's Sharp Shadow again?

[sterile owl]

It's a charm that transforms...have you gotten the good ending?
I want to ask before I spoil something.

[past thorn]

yeah I have the good ending, beat radiance

I also beat NKG before Radiance

[sterile owl]

It transforms the Shade Cloak dash into a damaging spell.

[past thorn]

hm, I could try and use that for his rolls (not air dodge since you can do that in all directions)

[sterile owl]

Alright. NKG?

I'm new and unfamiliar with the acronyms.

Well, some of them.

[past thorn]

Nightmare King Grimm

[sterile owl]

Ah.

Kudos.

[past thorn]

wait, just got a small idea for his back air

maybe grimm child? or no?

[sterile owl]

...Hm. That'd be interesting. Maybe the aerials could be from the charms in Hollow Knight?

Say neutral is the Thorns of Agony, and the others are other charms that fit the attacks?

[past thorn]

actually I forgot about Neutral air thanks for reminding me and sure why not

but keep down aerial as the down slash thing

yknow

bounce off of opponents

and other things

[sterile owl]

True. Up aerial remains unchanged as well?

[past thorn]

sure

and f air

[sterile owl]

Alright.

[past thorn]

so back air should be?

grimm child?

Maggots?

(flukewarms lol)

[sterile owl]

Yes, that's actually rather neat. Grimmchild.

[past thorn]

so should grimmchild jump spew a fireball straight behind?

[sterile owl]

That, or perhaps three in a blast?

[past thorn]

nah that would be too much

[sterile owl]

Then one it is.

[past thorn]

if you want I can invite you to the Rivals of Aether DIscord, no reason just maybe looking at others characters would be neat, you could also add me on Steam if you want to play Rivals of Aether for yourself if you don't have the game

[sterile owl]

I suppose. I would love to continue helping, but I must unconscious.
Baseline ten or eleven damage perhaps for the aerials.
And with that, I shall depart. Deluxe twilight.

[past thorn]

bye, see ya later

m8

[past thorn]

ok I presented the attacks and ideas to the Rivals of Aether Discord and they hated it and corrected me on a couple things, in the end I'm adding aerial smash attacks to The Knight which having Up and Down Smash being Cyclone Slash and F smash being Dash Slash, for recovery reasons

[sterile owl]

I apologize. At least you had professional criticism.

[past thorn]

don't worry, you did your part well, they only complained about recovery and healing

the rest of the attacks they just never noticed anything wrong

[limpid token]

hey guys

does the boss rush mod let me choose which boss to fight

[brittle egret]

you choose who to fight next yeah but why not just play the ingame boss rush mode

[limpid token]

I didn't know that was an option

its my first runthrough, trying to practice against mantis lords

[brittle egret]

well yeah the 4th dlc is dedicated to a boss rush section

but again practice wise you already have youre entire moveset by then

[limpid token]

oh

im just learning how to get through the second phase of the fight just now

its a hassle to get there from the bench each time

[brittle egret]

probably not the best place to discuss this but #hk-help would be a better place, regardless make sure youve upgraded your nail first before you fight them

[limpid token]

ok, thanks

[surreal helm]

ok so like what otherworldly substance is pale champion made from cuz it's clearly superior to void

[weak plinth]

I'd argue it isn't superior to void, but rather, superior to you

[surreal helm]

I have been hoodwinked