sk-discussion

[fiery burrow]

outer wilds has a ship... i can't go blind anymore 😔

[vivid belfry]

controller is better for nier automata but that's because the port is bad

[quartz cave]

And uh hades

[civic island]

2d is easier on controller to be honest

[opaque sigil]

this is also why mgr is better, platinum sucks at ports vanquish has some TRULY awful qtes on kbm

[quartz cave]

Unless the ui is ass

[civic island]

Ye...

[meager swan]

First person games like shooters are better with keyboard. But platformers and 2d stuff I feel pairs better with controller

[civic island]

For shooters im on keyboard tho

Ngl im pretty fking good on shooters

[light galleon]

I want to be a doubter about that leth tweet but the believer in me isn't letting that happen

[vivid belfry]

Furi is maybe the only game I've ever played that's definitively easier on a controller than keyboard because of how the swordfight controls work

[civic island]

IS THAT DHRUV IN THE CHAT???

[vale whale]

hksr was pretty good

[queen acorn]

nyaa

[light galleon]

Sorry but I dont remember you 😭

[civic island]

Lol dw

[opaque sigil]

it's been too long since I played furi to remember anything about that game's mechanics

[civic island]

Its js a char from a tuff anime

[light galleon]

Oh the jjk guy

[civic island]

Ye

When you wear rings do you get a weird white circle on ur fingies?

[vivid belfry]

you get locked onto a circular path around the enemy and you have to dash across it to specific points to avoid areas of attack. Analog directionality makes this a lot easier to understand, and more consistent because of the fact that you can freely move around the circle

[meager swan]

Can this game release already? Been wait years

[light galleon]

Is this a jjk reference?

[wind mulch]

da hell is that

[vale whale]

hk if it was peak

[meager swan]

Hollow Knight but actually good

[wind mulch]

holy enemy design

[vivid belfry]

hk if it was R.E.P.O.

[light galleon]

Hk but flower

[vale whale]

kill whoever made this

[meager swan]

The boss looks like a gacha life character😭

[graceful oyster]

My life is like a video game

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/competitive-shitting-cats-two-cats-toilet-2-cats-gif-16736555535898909183

[green spindle]

My hat is like a shark’s fin

[wind mulch]

this is my oc ❤️

[magic mirage]

Dumb question but i am trying to get every tool and i was so dumb and forgot to ||buy the very first tool from pebb before act 3|| does it still count towards the achievement if i do it on a different file😔🤡

[vivid belfry]

you can't permanently miss any tool

[still osprey]

You can buy it from Grindle in Blasted Steps

[vivid belfry]

yeah, this is true for anything that gets disappeared from a shop in act 3

[jovial rapids]

Guys what’s that rising lava parkour place called in silksong

[vivid belfry]

there's two of those

[still osprey]

there's the Far Fields Mask Shard and the Abyss Climb

[magic mirage]

I hope bro isnt dead

[jovial rapids]

You talking to me ? @still osprey

[still osprey]

yea

[jovial rapids]

No it’s like marrow looking

So far fields?

[still osprey]

probably the far fields mask shard, yea

[meager swan]

I do like how the game's cover Lotus has regular human eyes, but in the game they are fully black. They didn't even try to hide the fact they were copying Hollow Knight

[magic mirage]

I was like yeah i dont need that thing and then i compleatly forgot about it and now im just going through the achievements and i was like oh shit

[stable mica]

which 1

[fiery burrow]

when are we getting an indie metroidvania which rips off poptlc instead of hk 😔

[crude drift]

didya find it?

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-dbz-dragon-ball-z-rage-fury-gif-26575540

[versed pollen]

Whenever you say poptlc I always think of Poptropica. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about but I assume my assumption is sound

[vale whale]

pop the last capsule

[exotic dome]

poptic

[fiery burrow]

so peak

[vale whale]

i like that it's so dynamic but

how is this difficult

you just throw enemies around

they all stun

youre fast as hell

[fiery burrow]

Aerial attacks stunning enemies is p common in action games like this the depth of combat comes from your moveset

[slender juniper]

The citadel is a metaphore for America

[fiery burrow]

Difficulty is moreso from how enemies will gang up on you and stuff

But its not a hard game and that's okay

[slender juniper]

Build by the government ,Everyone wishes to go there , only then to be slaved from the inside

[cunning geode]

discord.com

[hybrid flare]

what in the sekiro deathblow

[fiery burrow]

doesn't compare to the pain of getting 🤓 reacted 🥲

[high sparrow]

Erase your memory and replay it again

[vale whale]

even worse when you get false reacted and people spam that stupid witch bind false gif

[high sparrow]

Honestly same

[still osprey]

I don't think I could handle forgetting everything about silksong

That's 340 hours of skill I've build up I don't want to forget it 🥹

[exotic cedar]

I want to forget about everything about silksong

[halcyon socket]

same

[hybrid flare]

I want silksong to not be a thing

[halcyon socket]

cant wait for silksong to come out

[high sparrow]

I wish they did a new smash bro game so they can add hornet in it

That be cool

[hybrid flare]

They never learn man

i mean to be fair that was 5 months ago

[exotic cedar]

No silksong is the best game ever made

[hybrid flare]

"Analysis" and its not even 3 minutes

It wasnt rushed, just likely left incomplete

[heady iron]

Nah they should've taken those 15 more years

[high sparrow]

I really dont understand why hornet wasnt in indie cross tbh

[hybrid flare]

and they worked on other stuff ig

Lowk makes genuine points

[fiery burrow]

That's about how long the act is

[onyx python]

when will team cherry make a game explaining oro and mato's beef

[high sparrow]

Like it coulda been cool,but nah lets just add shovel knigth in there,like seriously who cares about shovel knigth

[fiery burrow]

Shovel Knight is p good

[hybrid flare]

who was shovel knight again?

[fiery burrow]

Shovel Knight from Shovel Knight

[high sparrow]

The guy with the shovel

[onyx python]

it's because act 3 is very voodful

voidful*

[high sparrow]

Well yeah but that guy is washed,when was the last time he was popular

[heady iron]

Why doesn't indie cross have the most iconic indie character of all time dealer from buckshot roulette

[halcyon socket]

yes

[fiery burrow]

Only 5 glowing reviews in the thumbnail btw 🥀

They just copy and pasted them

[high sparrow]

They shoulda added the peninet one

[hybrid flare]

yo where the FUCK are the big mech arms in mio's promo art

[onyx python]

because the fame is 5 minutes long or smth

[fiery burrow]

🤫

[onyx python]

game*

[hybrid flare]

I wouldnt look at many reviews either its not like they have any kind of value

[fiery burrow]

idk I played shovel knight last year and had a blast

[hybrid flare]

Where is my big mech arms

[fiery burrow]

they're there

[high sparrow]

Which one?

[fiery burrow]

base campaign and the ghastly ghoul one

[hybrid flare]

wheres the only part i was looking forward to, man they pulled a silksong

[harsh yarrow]

God I made the mistake of saying the C word on this server, Im getting spammed by bots now D:

[cunning geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJkHb7hmH3I guy released a youtube essay on the SHORTEST sunder level and it’s almost an hour long

[fiery burrow]

I'll do the others eventually

[onyx python]

i cant wait for the "GTA VI is a masterpiece" videos on youtube 4 minutes after the release

[harsh yarrow]

XD
Also Starpengu, did you see my latest stuffs?

[heady iron]

I beat the door guys in mio yesterday

[hybrid flare]

GTA 6 will be dogshit im calling it

[high sparrow]

Anyways WE all want the peninet one to be in indie cross

[fiery burrow]

the voicelines? yea

they're peak

[harsh yarrow]

I finished putting them on all the spells

Gotta work on when they play, though

[heady iron]

And became dr whoever assistant

[fiery burrow]

gotta recreate the triple clawline voiceline combo in the 2019 trailer

[hybrid flare]

in another universe, starpengu is shitting on hornet for not shutting the fuck up

[fiery burrow]

I already do that

[hybrid flare]

good

[high sparrow]

Or hornet...honestly i want the peninet one and hornet to be in indie cross tbh

[heady iron]

So glad there's a hero voice toggle so we don't get another Forspoken

[fiery burrow]

where are the guns in the cover art I was looking forward to them

why can't I dual wield shotgun and pistol

[hybrid flare]

TRUE WHY CANT WE DO THAT

HAKITAAAAAAA, ADD DUAL WIELDING AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

(not orb based)

Tbf the big arms were meant to be in metropolis idk what happened, gives off a much different vibe than the actual game

lwk makes it seem that mio is getting actively hunted

[misty drum]

100% steel soul

You know what that means

[exotic cedar]

Good luck

[meager jolt]

Good luck

[hazy spear]

What crest are you going to use

[rotund gate]

I kinda wish the burning bug cult was expanded on a little more

[misty drum]

Wanderer ig

[hazy spear]

Architect is always there

[misty drum]

It's uncomfyyyy

[hybrid flare]

Ngl ||(((((ati))))9|| has grown on me narratively MIO SPOILERS

[rotund gate]

Good luck

[hazy spear]

Ig

[vivid belfry]

architect is insane in steel soul

[hazy spear]

Gl though

[misty drum]

Screen always so crowded and I can barely land nail hits

[hazy spear]

True true

[misty drum]

Also lost lace is not allat

[vivid belfry]

between extra cash flow, growstone, and shell satchel

[misty drum]

Imma use this cuz it's tuff

[meager jolt]

Me too they seem similar to Grimm

[calm nebula]

I got dash and sprint yay

[rotund gate]

Doesnt FoTF use one of the sounds from the Grimm Troupe

[calm nebula]

Now I can do the dashing dance

Instead of just walking dance

[meager jolt]

The WHOOOOSH?

[rotund gate]

You know that one attack with the touhou ass fireballs in phase 2

[calm nebula]

Bye chat before I see some spoiler.

[slender juniper]

You know... #sk-help exists

[meager jolt]

That's just because they both have fire attacks, I think, and that's what TC interprets fire sounding like

[rotund gate]

Ik

Also why dont these burning bugs have pimpilo if they i assume made it

[meager jolt]

Hornet made it

[rotund gate]

Oh right
But the materials and i assume instructions were there

[still osprey]

I made the pimpillo. It was all me.

[meager jolt]

It seems like she saw powder and fabric and went from there, but I could be wrong

[rotund gate]

Hornet just followed them

[vivid belfry]

hornet is using the pimpillo materials in a complete jackass way compared to the burning bugs

[rotund gate]

saying that the burning bugs were the ones who made the concept of the pimpillo
where are the ones that actually tried to construct it

[vivid belfry]

like they're doing rituals and shit and summoning ghosts made of fire

and she's just blowing shit up

[cerulean sable]

"To realize all your life, all your song, all your silk, its all been the same thing. It was all the same dream, the dream you had inside a 7 year wait. A dream about it being out by Early 2026. And then like a lot of dreams, there is the Late 2026 at the end of it"

[atomic sparrow]

silson 🤤

[misty drum]

Used volted cross stitch to parry lace's parry and end her

[light swan]

type shit

[compact cargo]

I beat the old ocean king guy and the possesed chitan fight but I didnt get the Achievements can i do them in fight memory or the bossrushes to get the Achievements

[stable mica]

Poseidon Phann

[compact cargo]

What

[atomic sparrow]

is it hollow knight?

[exotic cedar]

Which one

[atomic sparrow]

🤔

🙂‍↕️ have fun

[still osprey]

Is this that "MIO" game everyone's been talking about 🤔

[terse lance]

EVERYONE HELP

i just unlocked act 3 but

guess what

lugoli took me longer then grand mother silk

[calm nebula]

And bro I wasn't asking for help...I was really happy to get a new ability in silksong.I shared whenever I got new ability while playing hk I am doing the same for silksong.apologies for the inconveniences.

[terse lance]

lugoli took 3-4 tries and grandmother silk took 1 try 😭

[meager jolt]

Why is Second Sentinel there

[atomic sparrow]

because bigger arena is better

[slender juniper]

Yes but that's a spoiler free chat and spoilers are unavoidable here

[meager jolt]

True

[calm nebula]

Got it thx

[glossy grotto]

i died to bird room

[light swan]

act 3

you can refight them as much as you want like shakra in that room

[teal ridge]

what room

[meager jolt]

Really??

[light swan]

the forum

[teal ridge]

the wish room?

[light swan]

no

the forum is the gauntlet arena before the conductors melody

[meager jolt]

The 10 wave gauntlet room in High Halls

[teal ridge]

i didnt know that

i dont remember seeing sentinel the second when i visited conductors corpse to get the weaver thing

[unreal ice]

I
JUST realised that you can break the door in the Pilgrim's Rest in Far Fields
I was paying 30 Rosaries every time I entered like an idiot hello???

[teal ridge]

i learnt that before i played the game

[light swan]

they arrive after that

[teal ridge]

there was a youtuber kept popping up in youtube shorts, telling me facts about silksong while i had no idea what hollow knight is

[light swan]

hornet has to meet the conductor's corpse, leave, and after a TPO if she comes back second sentinel is like talking about their past protecting the higherup conductors and stuff

[exotic dome]

oh it's so fluid

[light swan]

and how theyre happy to be freed or whatever, but will still do their duty to hte citadel

[light swan]

indeed it is

[meager swan]

Aside from Karmelita and the beastlings, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that Act3 is good

[light swan]

this fight makes me feel like im on my first playthrough again

[atomic sparrow]

I mean the khann, seth, nyleth fights are also pretty good, and green prince isn't all that bad either
its just all shoehorned into act 3

[still osprey]

I love Act 3

I don't CARE if people dislike it. I ENJOYED it and THAT'S what matters !!!!!!!

[meager swan]

Guess Lost Verdania is well liked. Karmelita, the beatlings, Lost Verdania, Seth, the Flea minigames the Skarr guy I forgot the name of are well liked (I also liked Crawfather). Boy do people not like the Silksoar ability tho

[fiery burrow]

You have to follow the opinion of the masses

[exotic dome]

did you scrape the choir clapper attack :(

[still osprey]

Who tf hating on silksoar we just making up people

[exotic dome]

i mostly enjoyed in my first playthrough too ngl, flaws become obvious later

[light swan]

it may come back but i dont like it

it specifically has anti synergy with a lot of my personal strategies as well as the helicopter combo branch

[mystic phoenix]

does longclaw affect shaman crest

[light swan]

and personal strategies matters a bit because i kind awanna make this mhy dream boss

[still osprey]

maybe it's cuz I'm not a lore nerd that never really cared about the story in these games but I don't notice any major flaws that impact my experience even after over 10 playthroughs

[light swan]

well, not dream boss, but like close to it

[exotic dome]

i guess it could break the flow of the fight

[exotic dome]

fair

[light swan]

im bringing it back as it's own separate attack though

as well as more apparent in phase 2

[still osprey]

I get people not liking the requirements but like I'm such a completionist they don't affect me really cuz they're just stuff I was gonna be doing anyway

[light swan]

it also falls under the category of side bullshit i dont really enjoy

id prefer fully locking in on the boss itself when im doing a duel

and not have to worry about extra electricity on the ground or runes on the ground or void tendrils in the gruond

[still osprey]

and if people complain about the requirements on their first playthrough, that's on them cuz Act 3 is meant to be unlocked by naturally doing stuff not looking shit up

[exotic dome]

eh, my main issue with act 3 is not the lore, it's the lack of exploration. it matters a lot when playing metroidvania yknow

[light swan]

or summons 🙄

[still osprey]

that's fair but I also feel like Act 3 is meant to be a conclusion more than anything and not anything really big, tho I'd love to see some more act 3 exclusive stuff come with dlc

[exotic dome]

yea makes sense

[meager swan]

People disliked having to re-explore the entire kingdom again with Silksoar after they've already explored it multiple times in Act 1 and 2. Plus some of the places don't really give any visual clues to it being soarable (like Watcher of the Edge)

[light swan]

for example after the dive, 2 options are dash or helicopter

[still osprey]

Like city of steel would be a perfect Act 3 exclusive area

[light swan]

runes make me jump over them, which leads to me getting hit by the helicopter

[hybrid flare]

lacelight remains forgotten

[light swan]

meaning ill need to split my attention across 2 things at once, which isnt necessarily horrible but i have high standards

[exotic dome]

if they are act 3 exclusive, they can make act 3 better yea

[light swan]

not really im just not always on it

[hybrid flare]

wb zero?

[light swan]

zeroframe does a whole bunch of other stuff

[toxic vigil]

hello

[hybrid flare]

Btw sasuke grew on me i quite like her narratively

[still osprey]

It would be awesome if Verdania had more to it than just Green Prince's heart but I get that it's a memory so not a whole lot to be done with it unfortunately 💔

[light swan]

heres the thing though

ive been into hk lacelight since late september 2025

[tight viper]

Hello

Hello everybody my name is Markiplier

[exotic dome]

will you add different attacks

[hybrid flare]

was there anything

[light swan]

its not big of a deal that we arent making progress all the time

[light swan]

wdym anything

[light swan]

in phase 2 yea

[toxic star]

rn im gonna go forward from trobbio

[still osprey]

I feel like Pharloom Bay being Act 3 exclusive would be a little weird but I can see it

[light swan]

the rune dive is gonna be one new attack

[vale whale]

V:TOH DLC OUT EVERYONE HOP ON

[light swan]

a bunch of straight dives is gonna be another attack

[still osprey]

and Godhome is probably going to be Act 3 exclusive, I'd be surprised if not

[atomic sparrow]

homeander....

[light swan]

phase 2 will also have teleports which will be the main thing

im thinking of a desperation phase 3 which has a bunch of judgement cuts like eggnog because my friend(s) told me to

[hybrid flare]

that you've thought of

[light swan]

anything new?

[hybrid flare]

nah dont lwk

[light swan]

but also, second sentinel is insanely good for a floorless bosses

[hybrid flare]

2nd senti doesnt need teleports

[light swan]

ill see how it goes when i make them

[hybrid flare]

if you added the smooth attack transitions

[hybrid flare]

in 25

[light swan]

but it heavily opens up options imo

[fiery burrow]

https://external-preview.redd.it/RkagumTFFqIFer_KG9q-EVi7AS2cX-tUp4ClQjVZYqw.gif?auto=webp&s=34fef06fdd8282311a08b2d31be5d3cd06885b3a

[vale whale]

i know vought is controversial rn but i've owned voughtstations my whole life

[light swan]

everything i came up with back then is all stuff yall know rn

[light swan]

im obviously going to give it a telegraph and stuff

[vale whale]

v:toh wad one of my favourite games on the vs1

[atomic sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-wave-greetings-welcome-gif-14261308065134487098

[light swan]

right now the only ways for sentinel to go from air to ground is with a dive or a charged X while fall

[meager swan]

Oh hey, it's that one show I've still never watched.

[light swan]

and the charged X has a low chance of happening so i want more options

also, i think bosses like first sinner or sisters of battle is fun because of the teleports

[hybrid flare]

man i love having to basically no-hit ebrietas

a boss that has a super tricky big hitbox charge that oneshots me this time

[hybrid flare]

Imo teleports can be filled with interesting movement transitions

I dont rlly like for bosses to not be in the arena for much time

[light swan]

it wont be much time at all

its like sisters of battle

[hybrid flare]

Ye but 2nd senti's a diff boss

[light swan]

or pure vessel

[opaque sigil]

base second sentinel being a knife fight in a phone booth with a boss that didn't teleport meant the fight was basically always on

[hybrid flare]

Pv's teleports hinder it imo

[atomic sparrow]

in a phone booth 😭

truth nuke!!!!!!!!

[light swan]

ill try my best to make it not bullshit and if inevitably it doesnt work then ill remove it

but its still an option i want to try

[hybrid flare]

It's rlly not about it being bullshit it is about it being kinda unoriginal

Unless you make the teleports sneak attacks

[light swan]

i care about fun not originality

i gave an example earlier but like

[hybrid flare]

Well the boss just popping out and in isnt too interactive either

[light swan]

after a rising helicopter slash to the right of hornet, they can teleport left straight into a dash stab attack

[hybrid flare]

It works for some but not for a fight like senti

[hybrid flare]

if it is specific patterns sure

[light swan]

obviously

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's not like illusion can't change it if it doesn't work well

[light swan]

thats what ive been saying

[hybrid flare]

god forbid i give my take

[light swan]

im ok with you giving your take

[atomic sparrow]

what is this guy giggling about?!

[opaque sigil]

I don't think it'll add much to the fight either but

[light swan]

but im still gonna try it and if it doesnt work well ill change it

[cedar trench]

throwback to that one time a girl in my class asked chatgpt to give her 3 abjectives to describe herself

[atomic sparrow]

CogworkGpt 🤔

[light swan]

i just really dont like my options for going into the air be limited by 1 attack, and my options for going into the ground be limited by 1 attack again

and i still think it can work well especially with the way i see it in my head

another example i guess is soul tyrant phase 2 slams

[still osprey]

I decided to try and put it into perspective and I'm pretty sure these are the only areas in Pharloom you can never enter at all and still get into Act 3,,, that's not as many as I was hoping I'm ngl 😭

[light swan]

its insanely fun to get damage through it and second sentinel wont have massive shockwaves so itll be even better

its a fun concept i want to minimum try

[toxic vigil]

false

[still osprey]

wait no you need to go to weavenest atla for snare setter fuuuuck

[toxic vigil]

what about sherma arena

[still osprey]

FUUUUUUCK

[frozen meadow]

can u parry groal's swallow

[still osprey]

updated version 😭

[stable mica]

very accurate

[high sparrow]

It was always weird you cant never revisit verdania again

[cedar trench]

leaving grand gate and the mist is wrong it's either one or the other

[eager creek]

Adding Verdania, Abyss, and Nyleth as if they're accessible in act 2

[still osprey]

that's ok

and wisp thicket!

[cedar trench]

it's just mways

and "wisp thicket"

[toxic vigil]

there are definitely more rooms you can skip, i guess this was just only the big ones?

[cedar trench]

this is areas

[light swan]

im not even sure if itll go well

[still osprey]

so to get into act 3 you need to go through every area except for Wormways, Wisp Thicket, and either Grand Gate or The Mist depending on which route you take

[light swan]

but i at least want to try because i know the teleports are my favorite parts of some bosses

[still osprey]

that's, kinda sad 💔

[cedar trench]

riveting new content bro

[still osprey]

I really thought Act 3 had more to explore

[light swan]

i also want to do multiple fast dives in a row without having an upwards movement like savage beastfly

[cedar trench]

it's riveting new content bro there's like 8new bosses 2 of which are good

[eager creek]

Wisp Thicket is such a neat area, I wish there was any actual reason for it to exist

[atomic sparrow]

what teleports are bad

[light swan]

dont ask me

i generally like most teleports

[toxic vigil]

it gives 1 craft metal and 1 mask shard

[misty drum]

Fuckin fuck

[meager swan]

Isn't the Mist and the Exhaust Organ more so a technicality? It is one of the two area's you can us to enter ACT2 so it's as relevant as Blasted Steps. Also Sands of Karak isn't needed until ACT3

[slender juniper]

...where is 80% if the map?

[misty drum]

Some void testicle stopped my healing while lost lace was staggered

[atomic sparrow]

void ate it

[still osprey]

watch, Shakra is gonna be in Pharloom Bay, requiring you to visit it before Act 3 to buy the map from her 🐐

[cunning geode]

update patched it out

[atomic sparrow]

aw man

[misty drum]

And broke my fractured masm

On my steel soul run

[atomic sparrow]

next patch the only area left is gonna be the abyss

[misty drum]

Shut up

[stable mica]

nah putrified ducts with no flea

[slender juniper]

You need blasted steps for the fleas so it is required

[cedar trench]

putrified ducts is the worst areain the game bullshit all around

[graceful oyster]

They've got Allen wrenches gerbil feeders toilet seats electric heaters trash compactors juice extractors generators water meters

[atomic sparrow]

I think the duct suckers are pretty awesome

[still osprey]

I really love how Pharloom looks zoomed out like this

[hybrid flare]

duct enemies are pretty creative

[light swan]

doesnt eggnog have teleports

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[light swan]

i guess nubbie hates eggnog anyway

[cedar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/when-your-son-is-a-geek-kam-edwards-banging-head-gif-10845145880130905144

[meager swan]

I'm also just remembering Taste of Pharloom is needed so you do need to got to Sands of Karak for ACT3

[hybrid flare]

I hate pointless teleports, eggnong doesnt teleport as much and she usually spends a significant amount of time on the field before doing so

[cedar trench]

three (3) enenies in that specific area and one is a damage sponge one completely halts your movement and spit squit

[still osprey]

great tastes isn't required, shakra's map is tho

[atomic sky]

wyhy isnt shakra's quest spawning ?

[slender juniper]

It is not

[hybrid flare]

lwk not the same

I like sasuke and speeper and they also have tps

[light swan]

speeper teleports are not the best

[hybrid flare]

I like ll, fs and pv and they also have tps

[hybrid flare]

Yeah because speeper chains them into an infinite 4 hour combo

[light swan]

do you think the teleports in eggnog make it worse

[slender juniper]

You can fight Lugoli voided

[meager swan]

Don't you need to do like all of the quests of ACT 1 and 2?

[still osprey]

no?

[hybrid flare]

They're very well complemented into her kit icl

[atomic sparrow]

does thk teleport ? or just pv

[hybrid flare]

both

[cedar trench]

i can't explain to you why i think ll teleporting is bad but fs teleporting is cool

[still osprey]

there's only a number of required wishes, then you can choose any 17 or so wishes to do

[slender juniper]

The list of requirements is actually like half of the quests

[light swan]

those are the kind of teleports i imagine for second fentanyl

eggnog, sasuke teleports

[cedar trench]

i think it's the fact they're both rematches olays into it

[meager swan]

I have 150 hrs on this game and I'm still so confused in these things

[hybrid flare]

Sasuke has generic-ish teleports i'd say but she still chains something ig

sasuke has lost lace-like teleports

[light swan]

no she doesnt

[light swan]

lost lace goes away for 3 seconds

sasuke teleports to continue her attack

for example dash > teleport straight into a dive

[hybrid flare]

she usually starts an attack chain with a teleport just like lost lace

[slender juniper]

Who tf is sasuke

[light swan]

unless she had some kind of attack to go diagonally upward, that doesnt happen

[slender juniper]

Oh it's Mio slop

[hybrid flare]

Thats part of the combo i dont consider that to be like a "teleport" necessarily

[atomic sparrow]

🤔 Mio is one letter off from Mid...

[light swan]

second sentinel deos have an attack to go diagonally upward but i dont like being forced into it nor do i want to incorporate in that type of ocmbo

[hybrid flare]

And lost lace pops out instantly

[graceful oyster]

Those who cro

[atomic sparrow]

🐦‍⬛

[hybrid flare]

I might prefer sasuke to speeper narratively tbf

[slender juniper]

I'm surprised longclaw isn't used more when mark of pride is so used in HK

[light swan]

why not? those are exactly the types i have in mind for second sentinel

[light swan]

me too

[meager swan]

I think it's the Naruto dude

[hybrid flare]

Oh then that's fine

[slender juniper]

The %increase is Litteraly better then MOP

Money

[hybrid flare]

Because yk, they always happen in the same consistent pattern and stuff

[cedar trench]

it's unlocked fairly late and it changes very little on a lot of crests.

[vivid belfry]

that's crazy because visually it doesn't seem like that much

[misty drum]

YAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS

[atomic sparrow]

I don't think lonclaw extends as far as mark of pride, also Hornet doesn't struggle with range as much she has more options

[cedar trench]

the % increase is crest based

[slender juniper]

It extends longer

[atomic sparrow]

does it?

[misty drum]

You can't really see in here but this is steel soul

You know what that means.....

[slender juniper]

MOP 25% longclaw 27%

[light swan]

exactly

[opaque sigil]

I can believe the sprites are misleading

[cedar trench]

lol you savescummed

get tarred and feathered

[meager swan]

Aside from Wanderer's crest, not much reason to use long claw.

[misty drum]

Fine AFTER I get my platinum trophy

[opaque sigil]

longer range than hunter btw

[light swan]

eggnog teleports i imagine are like the ones between her ||talismans||

[slender juniper]

Wait till we tell bro about the placebo

[atomic sparrow]

I mean I use longclaw and it doesn't feel like that much of a difference
though again Hornet's range is just longer in general, plus theres crests like reaper and shaman

[light swan]

but more interesting than that

[hybrid flare]

or judgement cut

[light swan]

yea

[cedar trench]

shaman longclaw increase is a fucking joke

[light swan]

she still spends a lot of time during her combos, exactly like second senitnel

[cedar trench]

just use the pinstress tool

[opaque sigil]

tbf it's not a placebo the game lies to you in the description of wanderer crest and the sprites

[slender juniper]

This game is entirely fucking placebo lmao

[atomic sparrow]

is act 3 placebo 🤔

[opaque sigil]

wanderer tells you it has small range it's just not true

[cedar trench]

you keep telling yourself the game is good

[slender juniper]

Reaper is only a 20% range increase

[cedar trench]

so it feels good

[graceful oyster]

TC placebomaxxes more than any other game dev ever

[atomic sparrow]

act3?

[light swan]

Boss Erosion

[atomic sparrow]

its because of this

Placebomaxx

[graceful oyster]

Lmao that was funny though and it's fixed now

[slender juniper]

The game tells you wanderer has short range while it's actually longer than hunter, reaper doesn't do more damage per strike,Polip pouch is entirely a placebo tool

[light swan]

ehhhh

[hybrid flare]

it is quite small

[vivid belfry]

it doesn't actually say wanderer has short range

[slender juniper]

The silk orbs from reaper feel good but the silk gained is shit etc

[light swan]

its still funny and mostly fixed

[cedar trench]

reaper is the first placebo crest

[light swan]

but half of it is still placebo

[slender juniper]

"cut with short swift strikes"

[opaque sigil]

Cut swiftly and nimbly with short, precise strikes.
it at minimum implies the range is shorter than the default crest

[light swan]

yall fools got hit by the placebo while i chose my crests wisely and stuck with reaper throughout

[toxic vigil]

this game sucks tbh

[slender juniper]

When you bind the crest

[toxic vigil]

/j ofc

[graceful oyster]

"Thanks Douze for the boss erosion assist I wouldn't have been able to finish the game without it!!!!"

"Uh, yeah. 😅 Welcome"

[vivid belfry]

oh I didn't remember the word short being used, I thought it was swift

but swift is earlier

[toxic vigil]

time for me to do more modded bosses because i am bored and love circlet

[cedar trench]

mind you you have a whole bio dedicated to the actual best crest in the game so i'm not inclined to believe you

[atomic sparrow]

This game sucks /serious 🐺

[light swan]

i stuck with reaper until i got witch crest which was late act 2

[versed pollen]

This is because Team Cherry doesn't know how to make games

[opaque sigil]

but it still says short and the sprites really undersell the range

[atomic sparrow]

we all HATE silksong

[cedar trench]

i get it

[slender juniper]

Imagine they ad a tool in the dlc that says it bombs the enemy in the desc but it actually does 3 damage

[vivid belfry]

yeah, it is wack

[hybrid flare]

Isn't hunter still more likely to hit because of a wider hitbox

[cedar trench]

go to #sk-discussion to talk about the game i love
"SILKSONG SUCKS"

[slender juniper]

Wouldn't that be crazy

[light swan]

reaper was still my crest even after evolved hunter, wanderer, architect, and beast

[vivid belfry]

like, even if they didn't literally use the word short, the surrounding language kind of implies it

[opaque sigil]

hitbox width really isn't that important

[light swan]

it was perfect for what i wnated

[toxic vigil]

beast is lowk overrated as hell

[fiery burrow]

woah wait wtf

[toxic vigil]

like yeah its good
but no its not the best crest you brainless face tanking idiot

[cedar trench]

i soyfaced when i realized beast was the buzzasaw crest and then i immediately stopped when i realized it was the pogo

[vivid belfry]

beast is a pretty strong contender for the best crest in the game from a purely numerical standpoint and it also performs excellently in practice

[hybrid flare]

Also the one extension that's longer is teeny tiny

[fiery burrow]

ig that's vengeful spirit damage

[slender juniper]

Yes pimpillo is less max damage than straight pin, welcome to silkslop

[misty drum]

Achievementmaxxing

[vivid belfry]

beast's only real shortcomings are in specific instances where bosses completely disappear and gimp the healing

[toxic vigil]

hunter is just better

[atomic sparrow]

Pimpillow ass damage

[graceful oyster]

Wow I'm so proud of you for doing it without save quit cheating

[hybrid flare]

is it with all tools used

[fiery burrow]

bring back dustpillo

[atomic sparrow]

who are the other contenders

[misty drum]

🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[hybrid flare]

brother your ass is not using every straight pin lmfao

[versed pollen]

I think we should just swallow all hope of balance and include ddark in every game

[slender juniper]

Pimpillo max damage is 400, and it's only because the capacity is so ass

[atomic sparrow]

bring back the bugpipers while you're at it

[opaque sigil]

does max focus hunter even beat out beast fury

[cedar trench]

hitting the boss with one of these

[vivid belfry]

honestly, hunter, architect, and shaman all do crazy work

[versed pollen]

I think it does in theory

[opaque sigil]

even if we assumed max focus hunter was the reasonable thing to treat as baseline which it totally isn't

[light swan]

erm just be good bruh

[vivid belfry]

I am of course talking about the bullshit zoner version of architect

[exotic dome]

tool system is a placebo

[toxic vigil]

hunter = needle no hit
architect = red tools
shaman = silk skills
wanderer = needle if you are forced to face tank

[light swan]

every crest can use red tools

[civic island]

uhh nah?

[toxic vigil]

and in matter of importance

1. archi
2. shaman
3. hunter
4. wanderer

[slender juniper]

Isn't wanderer and architect Litteraly just an easy mode

[atomic sparrow]

what would be hard mode

[slender juniper]

You get faster hits for the same range

[exotic dome]

buff the dmg so it feels like a bomb

[slender juniper]

Reaper

[unkempt steeple]

silksong's enemies and gauntlets are way too good for a possible godhome-like dlc to only have bosses again

[versed pollen]

Silk soul mode

[toxic vigil]

wanderer is easy mode
architect is idiot mode

[atomic sparrow]

w silksoul

[exotic dome]

its fun to use pimpillo

[cedar trench]

kirby miniboss arenas

[opaque sigil]

if you didn't use reaper and rune rage for all your damage you were playing on easy mode and you didn't beat the game pack it up and go back to baby town

[slender juniper]

True either buff the capacity or damage

[versed pollen]

Silksong is an easy baby game for babies anyways

[cedar trench]

the game is easy anyway

[exotic dome]

gauntlet only pantheon would be cool

[vivid belfry]

reaper rune rage is fun as hell in coral tower

[eager creek]

Going through the entire coral tower in the pantheon when you reach Khann

[cedar trench]

you reach who

[opaque sigil]

I like wanderer rune rage for that since you can get silk so fast

[cedar trench]

i did bell eater with rune rage

it got beasted on

[weak depot]

arthur looks like fucking kratos bro i need to shave him 😭

[misty drum]

Someone praise me pls

[unkempt steeple]

I remenber someone here pointing out it'd be dope if gauntlets in a dlc like that had time based wave spawns

[vivid belfry]

isn't pimpillo like nearly identical in total damage to straight pins even if you only do single target damage?

[atomic sparrow]

what if instead of rune rage we got rune calm 🤔 and its just like a defensive spell

[opaque sigil]

that's called warding bell

[atomic sparrow]

I see 🙂‍↕️

[silk monolith]

youre amazing

[heady iron]

what if rune rage spawned exploding rage faces

[cedar trench]

yes and it costs 5 gazillion shards

[toxic vigil]

wow nice!!

[unkempt steeple]

imagine if each pantheon now leads to a super buffed old heart at the end

[vivid belfry]

like I think straight pins should be the baseline, it's just that shit like voltvessels and ESPECIALLY curveclaw outclass the baseline so easily

[slender juniper]

Pimpillo is 51 damage per hit but the capacity is ass so it's the same max damage as pins

[cedar trench]

khann fight now moderately easy instead of being a complete joke

[silk monolith]

curvesickle vs nyleth was some insane shit

[vivid belfry]

yeah, this is fine

[meager swan]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-grand-mother-silk-silksong-love-gif-9689585716162596133

[cedar trench]

conchcutter vs nyleth is like watching someone get skinned

[misty drum]

Ranking of things I died to on steel soul

[vivid belfry]

tools are supposed to be sidegrades to each other, and straight pins perform just as good in the endgame as they do in the early game

it's just that nobody knows this because they stop using straight pins

[silk monolith]

i used the most optimal crests for each heart this time and it was so quick lmao crazy

[unkempt steeple]

I love straight pin bc I allways use it agaisnt lace 1 in steel soul

[cedar trench]

it doesn't matter bro put the conchcutters in the bag

[unkempt steeple]

only time I acctually use red tools

[hybrid flare]

how do you die to moss mother

[unkempt steeple]

I wouldn't know...

[cedar trench]

sleep

[misty drum]

Skill obv

[silk monolith]

i died to moss mother 2

[slender juniper]

Tools are supposed to be sid-..ehm ehm voltvessels, snare setter, curvesickle

[hybrid flare]

Nope too lil

[slender juniper]

Conchcutters

[opaque sigil]

all of which are supposed to be harder to use to get the crazy benefits

[meager swan]

Lemme guess, all of the regular mob deaths were in early game?

[cedar trench]

conchcutter really isn't

[silk monolith]

shaman vs coral tower is a bloodbath

[versed pollen]

Okay curvesickle is kind of a stretch on harder to use though

[opaque sigil]

key word supposed to be

[mystic phoenix]

whats the damage of sharpdart with volt filament?

[opaque sigil]

key word supposed to be

[slender juniper]

curvesickle and conchutter are not easy to use be fr

[cedar trench]

right

[misty drum]

How tf we meant to survive with 5 masks and ni fractured masks

[cedar trench]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-it/track/2t8yVaLvJ0RenpXUIAC52d?si=dac6ae5756b94b8a

[silk monolith]

conchcutter i hardly know her

[versed pollen]

Volt bolas kind of just spray everywhere though

[mystic phoenix]

?

[silk monolith]

lowk dont like voltvessels

[silk monolith]

a lot by 21 savage

[mystic phoenix]

wow

[toxic vigil]

92

[vivid belfry]

anyway, even if pimpillo's damage was bad on paper (which it isn't) you're ignoring the fact that it's an explosive AOE and in practice does way the fuck more damage against crowds

[mystic phoenix]

thank you

[slender juniper]

I think 96

[opaque sigil]

silksong fans when something has a use case that isn't just doing damage to one guy

[silk monolith]

sharpdart my beloved

[cedar trench]

enemies aren't that grouped together though

[slender juniper]

Nwm I was wrong

[opaque sigil]

they totally can be

[vivid belfry]

what point are you making

[atomic sparrow]

well idk maybe silksong fans just really hate that one guy

[opaque sigil]

if you're using pimpillo you clump them up before throwing the grenade

[mystic phoenix]

also whats the damage of it with both of shaman crest and volt filament?

[silk monolith]

silksong fans hate this one trick

[slender juniper]

Did you add the volt tick

[cedar trench]

doesn't justify the cost of running pimpillo when you're better off equipping something else while exploring

[light swan]

goat take

[vivid belfry]

this has nothing to do with what you said

[toxic vigil]

yeqah

[meager swan]

Isn't Moss Mother unanimously agreed to be the second hardest fight in the game?

[atomic sparrow]

whos the first?

[toxic vigil]

somentinh around 115

[mystic phoenix]

damn thats alot

[slender juniper]

Still, just because of how low ranged the pimpillo is, it should be atleast like 15% More Max damage than the pins

[vivid belfry]

it's not really low range, you can kick that shit offscreen with a needle hit

[slender juniper]

• low capacity so if you miss

[toxic vigil]

only 6 away from cstitch

[opaque sigil]

it is more max damage by a ton because it can hit multiple things per bomb

[meager swan]

Grand Mother Silk

[vivid belfry]

yeah this is the only problem with pimpillo, if I was gonna change anything I would give it a bigger impact hitbox

[cedar trench]

enemies not being found all bunched up together often means running pimpillo in a cost effective way is harder than it should be and you're better off running a tool that you can use for a single enemy that consumes less resources and performs better against bosses as well

[opaque sigil]

bunching enemies up is not very hard

[vivid belfry]

you do often find enemies bunched together though, it happens constantly and you can force it to happen

[opaque sigil]

you don't find them like that but they do it while they try to kill you

[mystic phoenix]

i never thought about cross stitch as damage source, only a safety option🤔

[silk monolith]

shell satchel ez

[toxic vigil]

cstitch is silkspear damage bruh

[versed pollen]

I do find it rather dissatisfying using the pimpillo just because it is inevitably going to explode on the outermost enemies as opposed to the ones in the centre to get the most value though

[cedar trench]

i get where you're coming from but at that point i'd just use a silk skill and go about my day

[crude drift]

I got an idea for an area, a wasp nest.

[opaque sigil]

which is a different resource and you can also uh do both

[cedar trench]

pimpillo is clunky to use

[atomic sparrow]

hornet nest... 😨

[silk monolith]

a hornets nest if you will

[toxic vigil]

karmelita prime mod isn't working, ill just torture myself in benchless steel soul

[crude drift]

:0

[vivid belfry]

that's probably why it's got an arc, to land it on top of a spread of enemies

[cedar trench]

true but one is more effective than the other and i can run one without necessarly taking way space from something i might prefer using

[silk monolith]

whats benchless

dont buy any bench?

[toxic vigil]

i can't sit on a bench

[silk monolith]

oh no bench at all

well thats fucked

[toxic vigil]

if the game puts me on a bench thats fair game
but i can't do the " rest " thing

[silk monolith]

i thought i was cool for not using any rosary benches

[atomic sparrow]

Hornet is going to be so tired you monster

[toxic vigil]

she can sleep on the floor

build i am using

[silk monolith]

vesticrests?

[toxic vigil]

don't got it

[vivid belfry]

underworks sounds awful in these conditions

[silk monolith]

no underworks is light work

[toxic vigil]

have you considered not entering

[vivid belfry]

I'm specifically talking about the intro setting you to 1 HP

[silk monolith]

why would you use the elevator lmao

[meager swan]

Just go through the Whiteward or Trobbio way

[silk monolith]

whiteward always

[vivid belfry]

you do still eventually have to use the elevator for Seth I think

[toxic vigil]

im not even fucking with the elevator
fuck nyleth im doing green prince

[vivid belfry]

I guess that works

[misty drum]

Guys

[meager swan]

Elevators are evil. This is why stairs are always the way to go

[misty drum]

I never had completed both hk and silksong before...

What now?

It's so weird

[meager swan]

Complete them again

[silk monolith]

green prince easiest one

[toxic vigil]

do hard challanges

[silk monolith]

oh that was your first time? hell yeah twin did you get all mementos on your steelsoul file?

[misty drum]

But I like grass

[misty drum]

...... Noo....

[graceful oyster]

Mio

[meager jolt]

Get all achievements, experiment with mods, play other games, or touch grass

[silk monolith]

plasmium gland?

[misty drum]

Oh right mods

[meager jolt]

That should be an achievement ngl

[meager swan]

Complete Silksong but Hornet can only touch grass/moss

[silk monolith]

fuck that shit zango sucks

[exotic cedar]

Do a silksong challenge where you play another game instead of silksong

[meager jolt]

Technically optional for Plasmium Gland

[misty drum]

Marrow is like the very second area

[meager swan]

It's a hard challenge

[sharp slate]

any% is pretty fun if you have any interest in speedrunning tbh (bells route)

[meager swan]

Good luck with routing

[silk monolith]

but its the fastest way ion wanna run around finding the crawler things

[silk monolith]

YES i tried bells route that shit was way faster than organ

[meager jolt]

Could farm the corrupted Gorms (forgot their new name)

[exotic cedar]

Act 1 mist killed my family and stole my dog

[meager jolt]

Feels faster than Mist with Craw skip ngl

[atomic sparrow]

will you get revenge

[still osprey]

I love Mist so much but I hate Wraiths

[exotic cedar]

I already did

[atomic sparrow]

gasp

[silk monolith]

act 1 mist for me can either be like less than a minute or take like 20minutes i hate it

[exotic cedar]

Wraits are BORING
Cool design but BORING

[toxic vigil]

someone choose a number 1-3

[atomic sparrow]

2

[meager jolt]

AAH!!

[sharp slate]

I need an invis enemy mod 😭 where is dumbenemy for skong

[meager swan]

4

[silk monolith]

should i try and get a better pb on my 100% steelsoul run

[exotic cedar]

peanut butter

[silk monolith]

lmao yes

[exotic cedar]

Wait i didn't realize your name was peanut butter

[silk monolith]

what did you think it was 😭

[exotic cedar]

I just wanted to joke about pb standing for peanut butter

[meager jolt]

Invisible? There's the Mist Beastfly mod

[silk monolith]

if its invisible why can i hit it

[exotic cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[exotic cedar]

What is this

[silk monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

forge daughter silkshot

[exotic cedar]

Ohh

[sharp slate]

any silkshot tbh

[atomic sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[sharp slate]

pantheon of pharloom but you can only use silkshots

[toxic vigil]

the mid one

[toxic vigil]

do i get infinite uses

[silk monolith]

which ones the worst

[exotic cedar]

Ive never used silkshots

[silk monolith]

i like weavershot

[sharp slate]

tbh i think thats the only way to be able to kill the bosses

[silk monolith]

very cool looking i like it

is spongebob gonna be in sea of sorrow

[atomic sparrow]

yeah hes the final boss

[exotic cedar]

Not only SpongeBob, it will be the whole bikini bottom

[atomic sparrow]

like a super boss

[exotic cedar]

Silksong finally getting good areas

[silk monolith]

krusty krab finna be worse than pharloom with the prices 😭

[toxic vigil]

yay

[meager swan]

Oh god if they make that bull worm thing into a boss

[silk monolith]

i locked in for that and did it hitless it was amazing

i js had to go slower lmao take my time

[tawny siren]

Guys
Lwk i when i finished hollow knight 112 percent i used to think hornet was fine as shit
But now that i am playing silksong i lwk think lace is just on a different level

Who agrees?

[hybrid flare]

[limpid adder]

Best crest and tools for lost lace?

[toxic vigil]

worst item location contender

[tawny siren]

Why is no one lwk admitting the truth

Lace is some fine shyt

[limpid adder]

Hornet 2 is harder than lace 2

[meager swan]

Just not the time to be having that type of discussion

[ornate latch]

i used shaman with pale nails,cross stitch and silkspear with egg of flealia,volt filament and injector band.

[rich laurel]

Would someone give me sea of sorrow

[toxic star]

I JUST BEAT BEASTFLY2!!!!!!

[meager swan]

Good job! Now fight them in Bilewater >:)

[tawny siren]

You just dont wanna admit it
You know it deep down but just dont want to say it

[atomic sparrow]

team cherry will but you'd have to wait like a few more months?

[toxic star]

no....

beastlfy3?

NONONON

[ornate latch]

no there isnt dw

[meager swan]

I was just messing with you

There's only two Savage Beastflies

[exotic cedar]

Theres actually beastfly 3 but it's dead in memorium

[rich laurel]

Its been 2 years since silksong release can't wait no more

[ornate latch]

oh and btw you can one shot savage beastfly 2

[tawny siren]

Wait where is second one

I know one in hunter march

I am currently in lace 2

[silk monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-gif-15504891482487702994

[hybrid flare]

bro is gonna BUST when seeing the final boss

[meager swan]

Far Fields. There's a wish in Bellhart that starts the fight.

[tawny siren]

But i will do lace 2 later

[ornate latch]

what about the remaining 1.4 billion

[tawny siren]

I want to explore more

[tight viper]

Snitch Pick!

[tawny siren]

Like sinners road

[silk monolith]

all of them live in bhutan now

[tawny siren]

Ok

Cuz i missed some stuff

Rn i am currently js expkoring

[atomic sparrow]

wtf man... that's messed up... where are the mods...

[toxic vigil]

GETTTTTTTTTTTTTT FUCKED

[atomic sparrow]

congrats

[silk monolith]

it doesnt show up until way later

[silk monolith]

lets goooo

[tight viper]

Goodbye Groal

[toxic star]

gg

[meager swan]

I'm more of a White Lady connoisseur, hence the WL kisser in my name.

[restive sluice]

Fuck Groal

All my homies hate Groal

[slender juniper]

Opens #sk-discussion and immediately regrets

[tight viper]

I wish Groal was real

[silk monolith]

i love groal

[toxic star]

guys i havent fought groal but is fly harder or groal

[tight viper]

Depends

[toxic star]

?

[silk monolith]

oh beastfly nah groal harder

[ornate latch]

imo groal\

[tawny siren]

Lowkey when i think about that

[tight viper]

Which fly are we talking about, and have you found two certain blue tools

[silk monolith]

beastfly is light work

[slender juniper]

Beastfly 2 is annoying not hard

[vital comet]

lost beastfly

[restive sluice]

Is a toddler harder to beat up or Mohammed Ali in his prime

[silk monolith]

yeah lost in deez nuts

[ornate latch]

you can oneshot svb2

[tawny siren]

Its not a bad shout

[toxic star]

it cant be that bad with wanderer

[restive sluice]

I may have slightly exaggerated

[silk monolith]

can you beat fourth chorus without dropping the ball

[ornate latch]

yes

[silk monolith]

if so you can beat beastfly2 in 1 hit

[tight viper]

Wanderer isn’t the best choice for either one imo

[toxic star]

yea

[silk monolith]

2 hits

[restive sluice]

What ball

[agile cipher]

Honestly... i just the movement speed of the flea brew lasted longer than it does
It would be so great for exploration

[restive sluice]

Wait is this A3 shit

[slender juniper]

It's crazy how much of this game is placebo

[toxic star]

ill let him eat me

[tawny siren]

BUT
Mama coco solos

[slender juniper]

No idk about no ball

[opaque sigil]

It would also be cool if you didn’t have to go all the way back to the fleas every time you want to refresh it that’s a pretty big problem for exploration

[slender juniper]

Wanderer vs hunter

[silk monolith]

nah thats wild

which ones which

[restive sluice]

Mental plays a huge role. Anyone into competitive games knows. 💯 But also in HK/SK style games, sleeping on it and trying the next day can be huuuge because every new enemy needs new muscle memory to set in.

[opaque sigil]

Wanderer has longer range

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer is the further one

[restive sluice]

Not sure muscle memory is even the right term

[silk monolith]

THATS CRAZY

[opaque sigil]

The sprites are hilariously misleading

How much Hunter oversells its reach and wanderer undersells it

[silk monolith]

i got near 400hours on this game i did not know wanderer had more range than hunter

[slender juniper]

"cut with short and swift strikes" yeah so we just saying shit

[restive sluice]

[hybrid flare]

its literally not even a big difference lmfao

[meager swan]

Not like anyone really cares to compare how big the hitbox of Wanderer and Hunter slash is since not everyone has such mods installed unless you're a person who really wants to optimize everything in your speedruns

[opaque sigil]

The issue is more how misleading it is

[silk monolith]

even if its similar the game makes you think wanderer is extremely low range

[queen acorn]

silksong fans when you tell them to play and not grab the game by the databalls till every pixel is strained of life

[opaque sigil]

It’s not about optimizing it’s about the game being deceptive

[slender juniper]

Better than 1.0 sly hit box

[ornate perch]

Guys I wanted to investigate more about the scrapped “Weaver Crest” and the google ai showed me this 😭

[queen acorn]

it WAS kinda true

[slender juniper]

That's the weaver queen crest

[opaque sigil]

Hitboxes being that inconsistent is pretty goofy and the game even textually states wanderer’s range is short which it just isn’t

[hybrid flare]

generally hunter's crest slashes have a larger hitbox, and this only applies to the default slash

[opaque sigil]

The main attack

[atomic sparrow]

hey when has TC's text been good? just look at those journal entries

[silk monolith]

shit i didnt even realise i crossed it already

[toxic vigil]

fun fact: there is a singular flintstone in DUCTS

[arctic epoch]

damn, so silksong is like, not really a good game

[ornate perch]

I’m talking about this one

[slender juniper]

Not really,if you count the pixels they're around the same

[light swan]

silksong made second sentinel and witch crest

[silk monolith]

lowk shouldve taken more time icl they rushed it

[hybrid flare]

When talking about the wideness

[opaque sigil]

And VOLTSPEARS hell yeah those things rock

[arctic epoch]

fair enough, fair enough, but Silksong also made Wanderer and Reaper

[hybrid flare]

Pack it up silksong sucks

[silk monolith]

if second sentinel is so good wheres second sentinel 2

[hybrid flare]

Let's all migrate skong's ass its over

[slender juniper]

Yes ,in area , they're around the same

[ornate perch]

“Through advanced, high level gameplay in the Weaver Nest Atla area” 😭

[silk monolith]

hunter still better js cause the pogo is fun as fuck

[hybrid flare]

Wanderer's slightly longer in one point but hunter is overall larger

[light swan]

WIP

[meager swan]

Pinstress

[opaque sigil]

Wanderer dash attack does hit different but it’s hard to land

[toxic vigil]

i like wanderer pogo because its fast

[slender juniper]

It's not if you do the math the area looks the same

Area like cm²

[silk monolith]

the best dash is witch dash

[opaque sigil]

Probably but wanderer dash is sick

[silk monolith]

cm nah gotta be mm

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/pjEKWjJCwQb.gif

[hybrid flare]

Overall it covers quite a bit more

[arctic epoch]

my twin just another me

[atomic sparrow]

third sentinel 😨

[slender juniper]

Huh

[opaque sigil]

Gng attack width is not that important

[slender juniper]

Do you know what an area is

[silk monolith]

third sentinel is with third chorus in hell

[hybrid flare]

Im talking about the width of the slash exclusively

[quiet adder]

Hi

[silk monolith]

hi

[opaque sigil]

Which is a nonsensical way to evaluate range

[quiet adder]

What are yall talking about :))

[hybrid flare]

wanderers length over hunter is literally meaningless

[silk monolith]

why are we calculating anything lmao js hit the enemies til they die is that so hard

[odd hull]

Heloo

[arctic epoch]

damn, we really be arguing about some pixels, remind me of #sk-discussion prime

[hybrid flare]

Pixels of difference that apply to the default slash only

[opaque sigil]

The point is that wanderer doesn’t have a short range

[hybrid flare]

Yeah tammo loves these

[slender juniper]

Yes ,if you calculate the area of the slashes , they're basically the same ,an area is this

[opaque sigil]

Which people often believe because the game is misleading

[queen acorn]

i mean aside from that

[queen acorn]

did you deadass google area of a swuare

[sharp slate]

yea this is the main difference

[quiet adder]

Hi, hru today?

[opaque sigil]

The point isn’t that wanderer is better because it has a longer range it’s that range isn’t a downside to wanderer

[hybrid flare]

We can separate the slash hitbox into 2 segments, they would be basically the same because wanderer has the edge in length slightly

[queen acorn]

also show the hitbox

[quiet adder]

[queen acorn]

lemme see it

[sharp slate]

the range is a downside in terms of width

[hybrid flare]

But it is, aside from the tiny length extension on the base attack

[odd hull]

I'm fine, I think. And you?

[opaque sigil]

Which isn’t important

[sharp slate]

the length is a neglectable benefit

[sharp slate]

HUH? yes it is

[quiet adder]

That’s good, I’m ok, just tired

[slender juniper]

Ts is not slight

[sharp slate]

It depends on the enemy but width does matter to some extent

[silk monolith]

chat if you lived in pharloom where would you wanna live me personally bilewater

[meager jolt]

Wisp Thicket

[opaque sigil]

Width matters almost never and the width difference isn’t even that substantial

[ornate perch]

Bellhart

[quiet adder]

Can someone confirm that the squit things in putrefied ducts aren’t just annoying af to me and that it’s a universal experience

[sharp slate]

it does for attacking basic mobile or flying enemies, i guarentee its easier for newer players to hit them with a wider nail then a more narrow one

[meager jolt]

Primal Aspid 2

[slender juniper]

You could cut in a straight line and it wouldn't make a difference in Combat

[opaque sigil]

Ducts are bad

[silk monolith]

no choral chambers?

[sharp slate]

just because it doesnt matter at high tier play doesnt mean it doesnt matter at all

[odd hull]

Craw Lake.

[opaque sigil]

Those enemies aren’t fast enough or small enough to make a difference

[toxic vigil]

bellhart probably

[quiet adder]

I’m getting war flashbacks from that name

[silk monolith]

fucking hate them so much i killed 1 for the entry and ran every other time

[sturdy trellis]

needle swing height does feel fairly impactful to me very frequently

[still osprey]

^ especially against flying enemies

[opaque sigil]

Gang this is the difference

It’s not that big

[still osprey]

But it's a difference I can feel

[opaque sigil]

Literally placebo effect

[atomic sparrow]

maybe its placebo again

[fiery burrow]

I can feel the purple tools in my bones 🗣️

[sharp slate]

did some quick math using paint tools its about 25% difference which is signifcant

at least for the part you highlight obviously near the front its lower

[opaque sigil]

If something is right above you you swing up

[vivid belfry]

wanderer and hunter have functionally the same hitbox in almost all scenarios

[sharp slate]

and if something is on a diagonal...

[opaque sigil]

This is what I’m saying

[opaque sigil]

If it’s that close to you it’s right above you

If it’s on a significant diagonal Hunter won’t hit either

[sharp slate]

not every flying enemy will be engaged with an upslash though

[still osprey]

I'm pretty sure Wanderer upslash is actually shorter than Hunter upslash

[atomic sparrow]

yeah I was gonna say lmao if you want vertical theres an upswing

[sharp slate]

especially if you want to prevent them from going higher which will take longer for them to kill

[vivid belfry]

hunter is marginally more consistent at hitting aerial targets and wanderer might get an extra hit in out of a couple hundred because of the slight increase in length

[toxic vigil]

.. fuck the rhino