sk-discussion

[frosty kelp]

random but lore accurate imsoblind_:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wLdTK6rFVw

[silk panther]

Wait no I asked you if you were gonna play it or something and you said something like not being interested in the genre currently or something? I forgot

[exotic dome]

poptlc won't go on sale 💔

[sharp slate]

Wish we had a little more cogwork core tbh, as much as I hate hunter pogo on those gears it was fun

[toxic vigil]

White palace > all sk platforming.
But sk was also good

[toxic vigil]

Clawline

[quartz cave]

Mio fans vs criticism tbh
right now im saying that the combat just being a three hit combo and pretty much nothing else couldve been done so much better by even simply tweaking a few things

[lavish apex]

difficult idk frequent yeah

[umbral ether]

i like cogwork core's music

[vale whale]

shouldnt have used ai

[lavish apex]

mount fay is kinda tough on a first run but that's it

[kind tide]

Ill speak for everyone thats ever played Hallow knight silksong right now and inform you

[quartz cave]

Because at the beginning there is truly nothing to worth with it

[frosty kelp]

it's not even in the game anymore 😭

[ancient mortar]

I guess for me I judge on how good it is on average, silksong has more good platforming bits, while HK has one really good platforming bit, I prefer the quality more spread out across the whole thing

[exotic dome]

sk needs more difficult platforming

[kind tide]

We do not care

[umbral ether]

ignore them they are ragebaiting

[kind tide]

[quartz cave]

At the very least hk had pogoing that added a lot to combat

[sharp slate]

I refuse to acknowledge clawlines existence /J

Its actually still fun with clawline for any% speedrun. But yea clawline hurts platforming alot

[umbral ether]

it is a waste of time to argue with them

[frosty kelp]

oh ok

[ancient mortar]

Silksongs combat is way less interesting without clawline imo

[quartz cave]

Thats why i say it feels lackluster, cause theres really only one thing to use and that is mash x

[rich pagoda]

Sands of Karak can be tough but I kinda breezed through it while my friend watched after dying twice doing the platforming just before me
Tbf
I have a lot more experience with precision platformers than he does atp

[lavish apex]

i think mio has better platforming than both even though i don't enjoy some of the general movement mechanics all that much

[ancient mortar]

That's an issue with silksong too tbf

[light swan]

i take criticism i still think this is bullshit

there’s airstalling the double jump refreshes and stunlocking enemies into the ceiling as well as hairpin both as a chase, retreat, and iframe option, the combat is so damn dynamic

and apparently it’s mio’s fault and hk and siljsong and blasphemous and every other metroidvania is okay

[toxic vigil]

I like doing upper core with djump and just going up

[quartz cave]

I think mios ice mechanics and momentum are rad as hell imo

[umbral ether]

i hate the flea minigames so much

[silk panther]

Respectable why someone would be mad at this but wasn’t it just concept art and placeholder text?

[lavish apex]

although i do think it doesn't gel all that well with its super limited health system

[umbral ether]

it was i think one newspaper on a pole that was removed soon after it was found

[lavish apex]

that's probably the closest thing to a flaw i think mio has

[light swan]

like i guess the existence of hunter pogo invalidates everytbing

[toxic vigil]

I don't even like metroidvanias, silksong is just peak

[silk panther]

Yeah it was also like concept art and some placeholder text

[umbral ether]

yeah

[light swan]

so despite mio combat being way more dynamic airborne and fun it still stinks

[silk panther]

That was moved to the actual text mind you

[ancient mortar]

Why is this mio debate getting so heated, it feels like everyone's at each other's throats over subjective taste.

[silk panther]

Why is Mio being debated

[light swan]

apparently having 3 attacks is more repetitive than one i guess

[frosty kelp]

speaking of air stalling for double jumps I'm kinda stuck here cus I don't have grapple. Is this skip possible without grapple?

[light swan]

im seriously pissed off right now

[vale whale]

ai

[sharp slate]

Yea, agreed its crazy people get heated over this shit

[light swan]

i’ve been getting ragebaited for an hour

[quartz cave]

Why are we acting like airstalling changes all that much from the original combo for example
It has mechanics there for sure and im not denying that im saying that it doesnt feel as good when the only thing you can do other than button mashing x is fully useless agaisnt bosses

[light swan]

these takes are conpletely incomprehensible

[light swan]

fully useless againsr bosses?

[silk panther]

I mean I’m also mad at any game using ai but if it’s not like disrupting my overall game experience I wouldn’t like blame the game for it especially not attack the devs

[quartz cave]

Now youre pissing me off because everything i say you dont like is ragebait, i am aware that the internet is full of thos epeople but cant you accept someone has different thoughts than you

[umbral ether]

i should go sleep

[quartz cave]

I havent been able to airstyle or stunlock a boss idk about you

[silk panther]

Like it’s respectful why you would be mad at that but it’s not like that serious of an issue with what they used it for

[light swan]

im getting ragebaited even if uou firmly believe in what you’re thinking

[toxic vigil]

I like hunter pogo but sometimes i just get hit while using it

[light swan]

i have and it’s amazing

[rich pagoda]

Blasphemous is not okay
Hell nah. I like the art but the gameplay and combat is not something I can call good.

I think HK has flaws too. Its combat feels more like an advanced platforming challenge than a proper boss fight.
SK kinda fixes this but also makes it too easy to out maneuver said cool bosses and it stops mattering that they're cool

[sharp slate]

AI used in anything is the devil itself, that's the motto

[royal summit]

IM IN ACT THREE

[light swan]

i dont think youre saying this just to make me mad

[royal summit]

LETS GOOO

[umbral ether]

nice

[light swan]

in fact i’d prefer if you were saying this just to make me mad because this seriously makes me sad

[toxic vigil]

I enjoy the advanced platforming challange

[quartz cave]

Well the definition of ragebaiting kinda is to make someone mad on purpose

[sharp slate]

Eyo nice!

[umbral ether]

even if it's for something that in the grand scheme of things does not matter to the rest of the game and is removed quickly?

[royal summit]

yeyeyeyeyey

[sharp slate]

Alot of fun bosses in act 3

[ancient mortar]

I mean yeah I like discussing the balancing stuff and giving my own takes on the design and gameplay choices but all this stuff is so subjective I don't feel like it needs to be an argument. I feel like every aspect I might not like is something someone else might like.

[light swan]

i never said you were ragebaiting seriously i only said im getting ragebaited

wrong reply

[royal summit]

Wht…

[quartz cave]

-# same thing bestie thats just called getting mad

[royal summit]

What do u mean

[umbral ether]

gl on the starting section

[silk panther]

I 100% agree just for something like placeholder text while I am alittle annoyed at it it doesn’t make me look at the game that much different

[light swan]

but not to mention i’ve been hearing lots of complaints about my favorite bosses and nubbie is a d1 hater it genuinely feels like im alone in liking this game

[quartz cave]

But thats not the point

[rich pagoda]

I don't really believe in there being a perfect metroidvania
HK and SK are good. They have issues.
Blasphemous is also not good. But that's based on my opinion of the games lol

It's kinda subjective

[quartz cave]

You shouldnt feel bad for liking something!!

[lavish apex]

i disagree about things feeling like advanced platforming challenges idk what that even means

[quartz cave]

Everyone has different taste in stuff

[toxic vigil]

Can we be sk chat again

[sharp slate]

Not the take i hold but alot of people do. I dont care about what e33 did, but I have mixed takes on AI stuff. E33 gets too much hate for that imo

[light swan]

it sucks when i am literally the only person who likes something and no one understands

[umbral ether]

i think most of the hate is coming from people being mad about the game awards

[quartz cave]

I personally dont love mios combat because to me just standing in the ground or in the air spamming the same attack is not that fun to me

[frosty kelp]

yeah it's too much hate cus it's not even in the game and the people hating are players who haven't played the game and are salty that silksong didn't win goty 😭

[quartz cave]

But i can see how theres good in every game for people

[toxic vigil]

Archi needle is cool in concept but its just overdose gaming.
Overdose is the only reason its not just worse reaper even with 10% more dps

[silk panther]

I don’t really think they get that much hate for it besides people that didn’t play the game and are salty about the game awards

[wind mulch]

it's such a minute use that wasn't even supposed to be publicly released i dont see how people gaf eother

[sharp slate]

Maybe some, but alot of legimant critism as well not just game award stuff

[frosty kelp]

but instead of overdosing what if the boss is dead

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[light swan]

like all the stuff i talk about it goes to no one and it genuinely sucks

[toxic vigil]

Spam slop

[rich pagoda]

I don't have any opinion on Mio because I have not played it and this chat is all I've heard about it
I don't hate what I haven't even tried.
I'll readily hate on stuff I've experienced and tried though if I deem it justified but with the caveat that it's just my opinion

[sharp slate]

Overdose beast crest is a cool concept tbh

[umbral ether]

i really should not give a shit about critism towards e33 because i played it and i found it fun that is all that matters to me

[frosty kelp]

but you just said overdosing is the only way to make architect viable and it's also kinda spam slop

[onyx wigeon]

Guys as a question when does the Update come out

[light swan]

feels like either im stupid in being the only person who likes something or everyone else hasnt played the game like i have

[rich pagoda]

I'm still open to trying Mio
Because I think games should have a fair chance

[ancient mortar]

This year we don't know

[quartz cave]

How do you think i feel when i mention any metroidvania that isnt mio or 9s 💔

[sharp slate]

No one knows

[kind tide]

😭 why is youtube hitting me with the 17 view jump scare demon right after im in this discord bro 😭 🥀

[onyx wigeon]

alr ty

[light swan]

there’s a difference because no one’s played those games

[sudden ice]

imo any use of ai gives awful companies more money, but it isn't actually in the game and so doesn't make it worse

[frosty kelp]

nah maelle carries the team and has a sister and also you can beat e33 without parrying or dodging or jumping 😭

[light swan]

all of these people have played the game and think it’s okay

[teal ridge]

I tried to do same to enraged conchfly and died like 7 times. While when i changed my crest, beat him in my first try

[quartz cave]

Im not saying theyre the exact same thing but it still feels quite shitty

[wind mulch]

we give hilariously evil companies money everyday idk why ai is focused on

[teal ridge]

I think im not capable of using arthitects crest

[umbral ether]

as shown by this video ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaVCFdzGq-A||

[wind mulch]

if u use instagram ur contributing to a very evil company

[ancient mortar]

It's a matter of subjectivity. Different combat systems speak to different tastes, I don't think anyone's wrong I just think everyone has different tastes when it comes to combat systems

[sudden ice]

yeah thats true tbf

[umbral ether]

thumbnail has spoilers techinally

[frosty kelp]

don't do it against conchfly just do it again big bosses that don't move. If you wanna do it against conchfly wait for the part where he summons his tiny minions and then vv hollow purple him

[sharp slate]

Tbf there is probably a whole discord server that agrees on your MIO take illusion

[light swan]

and then say shit like earlygame combat is lackluster or you can get 8 hits in between speeper attacks or that speeper is a waiting game or like shit like that

[teal ridge]

Ill keep that in mind

[frosty kelp]

actually it's possible to do ||curator at level 8 so killing eveque at level 7 by skipping isn't required||

[wind mulch]

MIO and e33 fans feeling 1% of the pain of the average Destiny 2 fan

[sharp slate]

Not surprisingly alot of people like silksong more in the silksong server

[frosty kelp]

it does 800 damage and since he does it when he's kinda low he's probably dead

[light swan]

is there tho? i dont think anyone there necessarily agrees with me either

[light swan]

thats not what this is about

i have 0 problem with people liking siljsong more

[sharp slate]

Let me reread alot of text

[toxic vigil]

Yeah lol

[rich pagoda]

I'm notorious for saying that I do not think Sonic 06 is a bad game*

It needed more time in the oven but a lot of love and effort still went into it to push the boundaries of what was technologically possible at the time.
Why do I say that
I tried it
Never gonna say anything about a game I haven't actually played myself

[ancient mortar]

A lot of people hate silksong in the silksong discord too tbf

[quartz cave]

We literally dont even talk about silksong

[light swan]

y’all act like i can’t stand any criticism againsr mio

[graceful oyster]

Hey, so. About a certain boss I like...

[sharp slate]

Sorry too much shit going on on mobile so much text

[lavish apex]

ok the 8 hits thing isn't true literally all the time but it IS for some patterns

it was an admittedly sort of extreme example

[light swan]

such as

point proven

[silk panther]

The thing that keeps me from getting heated is that fact that with anything there will be 100s of haters for no reason like there will be people trying to rage bait you there will be people salty about the game awards and I find it easier to like just realize i enjoy this game and others can hate on it without reason all they want as it doesn’t effect the experience I had with the game

[rich pagoda]

And I'm sure everyone is ready to disagree with me on Sonic 06 but hey
If you want to argue
Go play it

[lavish apex]

like anything into the laser

[frosty kelp]

||this video uses glitches for the run and they are really hard so I think this video isn't the best example but the part with mathematically correct verso at the end is funny 😂||

[quartz cave]

I didnt even know there was a sonic 06

[silk panther]

Like oh you don’t like the game used ai for 00.6% of the development well that’s your opinion

[sharp slate]

That's me fuck shell shards, just add a cooldown 😭 I should release a silksong mod

[light swan]

lots of people like that boss infract im the only one who hates them and you know im exaggerating

[orchid spruce]

mio combat is peak

[light swan]

still 6 hits maximum before you need to dodge the attack

[umbral ether]

it's the first thing that came to mind

[frosty kelp]

I don't got ||grapple|| and the only boss I fought is ||Crow|| and I can see that :))

[umbral ether]

why did i see a server link for a split second

[graceful oyster]

And what is it you're saying noone else does

[rich pagoda]

You're making me feel old now

[orchid spruce]

[lavish apex]

are you excluding shairpin in that count? because i'm not

[light swan]

no one else hates the boss

[ancient mortar]

Which boss

[graceful oyster]

No I mean your original message

[frosty kelp]

is this skip possible without ||grapple I don't wanna get it|| (first playthrough btw)

[real hearth]

a games biggest haters are always its biggest fans im telling you

[quartz cave]

If sonic 06 was so bad then why didnt sega DIE and stop making c

Wait they kinda did do that

[graceful oyster]

Yes

[real hearth]

most normalized thing in all of gaming

[cyan geyser]

yo can somebody help me out in #sk-help

[frosty kelp]

can I have a clip I have no idea how to do that last part

[light swan]

no one else understands? i feel like a lot of people understand

hell even i understand

[vale whale]

bro doesnt even parry what a chud🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yi the goat parries

[ancient mortar]

I'm pretty critical of pretty much every game I like. Except outer wilds I guess but that's because it's without flaw.

[frosty kelp]

yk what fair laughter 😂

[real hearth]

i’m similar

[graceful oyster]

But what item is causing you to say this

[lavish apex]

outer wilds has flaw

[real hearth]

when you like something the flaws show more

[orchid spruce]

honestly buns way to play a first playthrough but power to your inner speedrunner

[wind mulch]

outer wilds is philosophyslop

[quartz cave]

Youre not a real outer wilds fan tbh

[light swan]

shairpin lessens the count because it’s only 1 hit vs a 3 hit combo

[lavish apex]

multiflaw even

[sharp slate]

Same, funny enough there's a couple games I play i dont critique and they aren't my favorites xD

[exotic dome]

true #WeHateSilksong

[frosty kelp]

yeah I know that but ||my inner speedrunner really wants to try it||

[graceful oyster]

I don't have a clip but I don't think you should be skipping on your first

[teal ridge]

You need to like sometig too much to notice its flaws

[quartz cave]

A real outwer wilds fan wouldnt have even said the name, only "PLAY IT DONT LOOK UP ANYTHING"

[frosty kelp]

:(((

[light swan]

im not talking about any item im talking about mio’s combat and why i love it so much

[orchid spruce]

wth, someone understands me

[graceful oyster]

That would be the item

[lavish apex]

yeah i'm not because i don't think it's the literal best thing ever

just really good

[quartz cave]

Those outer wilds fan pissed me off do much

I kinda did look up the ending to spite them

[real hearth]

i’m like that for every game i play

[ancient mortar]

Also I think generally it's a good strategy in game discussions to understand that everyone has differing taste and nobody can be objectively right, I don't really care when people criticize my favorite games because it's all a matter of taste. Y'all are welcome to rip into everhood btw I'm honestly interested to see critique of it.

[orchid spruce]

i have gained newfound motivation to trash silksong even more

[graceful oyster]

Objectively YOMI is peak

[ancient mortar]

I'll give my two cents of course in response but I do like hearing it

[lavish apex]

you just want more people to play it i see your game

[orchid spruce]

it's secretly because i love it

[frosty kelp]

it's like Holland. He doesn't hate tho he just gives criticism A LOT and is probably just trying to improve the game but I think some people see it like he's a hater

[quartz cave]

The uh combat or puzzles or lore or whatever that game is about is uh mid

[ancient mortar]

[real hearth]

i’d be with you on this but my favorite game is just not a good game all things considered but i love it to death

[light swan]

im ok with differing taste but that doesn’t change how lonely it is

[wind mulch]

i lowk found tje game too boring and watched the ending on youtibe

i think thats considered sacrilege

[silk panther]

Haha I’m thinking back to “the objective gamer”

[frosty kelp]

Ok fine I'll get grapple 😭 I still somehow don't know where it is

[rich pagoda]

Yea they did kinda die yeah
Well the lore goes deeper than that
Sega wasn't really a game making company originally iIrc. They are and were a gambling machine company with Sonic as a logo and uh, a very dedicated game dev team amongst them. The games were sort of a front to hide the gambling. Don't worry about it.

So they weren't really interested in the arts of the sonic game franchise especially as it went into 3D. They wanted it to make them money and fast. So they didn't give the sonic team a lot of time to work on their projects and it shows

[light swan]

again, it feels like either im stupid or we didn’t play the same game

[vale whale]

@light swan let me fix your problems stop playing mio

[real hearth]

what i’m saying

[exotic dome]

im 2 hours into outer wilds and i have no idea what im doing rn

[quartz cave]

Honestly i think if i told one of those outerwild fans i did that and confirmed it they might have a heart attack and explode

[light swan]

at some point it gets to be too much

[quartz cave]

They shoildve stayed a gambling company smh my head

[real hearth]

mio is cool but the backgrounds are way too fucking distracting

[graceful oyster]

The region that requires the least amount of abilities

[quartz cave]

Comeon baby give me 3000 rings come on come on triple emeralds

[frosty kelp]

ok 👍

[light swan]

like it’s fine if there’s at least 1 person who agrees with me and can participate in these convos

[rich pagoda]

So generally speaking the sonic team routinely kept being given a shit hand of cards

[graceful oyster]

Natural, you'll settle into it

[light swan]

i feel like i dont even get acknowledged when i talk about it i just get shut down

or a different problem comes up

[real hearth]

what are u referring to here illusion just so i am on the same page

[orchid spruce]

so true, we need to blur the backgrounds to oblivion. mio needs to learn from the best game ever made (silksong)

[rich pagoda]

I think the story is more interesting that it turned out this way

[real hearth]

the convo is a bit all over the place

[ancient mortar]

I don't think you are the only person to like mio, maybe you like it more than others, but everyone has one game that speaks to them way more than everyone else who played it, for me it's everhood probably. But also I feel like I've said a lot of things I loved about mio.

[light swan]

mio combat

[real hearth]

gotcha

[light swan]

im talking about the combat specifically and why im tje only person who loves it and has engaged with it while everyone else thinks it’s okay to good at best

[real hearth]

true but if the camera was zoomed in more it would be fine

[umbral ether]

i think they are making everhood 3

[wind mulch]

one achieves enlightenment when they realise their favourite game can just be bad

[graceful oyster]

There's a hair on my steak, who cooked this???

[orchid spruce]

i'm at grime final boss and this boss isn't a parry boss so grime is actually the worst game ever, actually

[quartz cave]

How do you typo d for o theyre across the keyboard

[ancient mortar]

Like Ive said speeper and sv are some of my favorite mv bossfights.

[graceful oyster]

Oh wait I did

Mark, look, I made a steak

[ancient mortar]

And I've said I think mios moveset and mechanics are really good.

[quartz cave]

-# ok that one was bait

[silk panther]

Mio needs to learn from the absolute best best game ever made with is obviously nier automata because there’s definitely no possibility of there being any critique of it as it’s perfect it’s practically the objectively best game 🥹

[real hearth]

in mio there’s just so much shit in the bg and the actual play area is so small u can barely see ur character

[light swan]

o and d are right next to eachorher

[real hearth]

at least for me

[lavish apex]

MASSIVE MIO FINAL BOSS SPOILER ok so since you doubted what i was saying here's that exact thing happening in the first 30 seconds of my first attempt made on this fight today

[quartz cave]

His keyboard is, like his name, evil. Please prsy for him chat

[lavish apex]

not even on the pattern i mentioned

[orchid spruce]

nier automata has a cute white-haired boy, it's clearly the best game

[hybrid flare]

Yk i used to think like that and while it is true in some areas usually the contrast makes it visible enough

[graceful oyster]

Fake news

[silk panther]

Says the objective gamer ofc

[ancient mortar]

I don't think anyone will love everhoods combat as much as I do.

[silk panther]

Right this guy gets it

[ancient mortar]

And that's okay

[potent vessel]

ig it isnt for everyone

[real hearth]

it’s probably an eyesight thing for me

[rich pagoda]

No no y'all don't understand
The BEST game of all time none of you are willing to play because it has an intimidating aura is
Endless Ocean Blue World
You're all cowards who won't partake in a fine aged wine

[real hearth]

my eyesight isn’t the greatest

[lavish apex]

8 hits between hitboxes

[wind mulch]

the best game of all time is Halo 2 this is a known fact

[graceful oyster]

It's actually Portal 2

[real hearth]

wrong bungie game nice try

[quartz cave]

Dont know shit about that other than there was a timd where EVERY, SINGLE, AD on youtube was about endless ocean lumina

[ancient mortar]

But yeah most of my criticisms of speeper are because I think the boss could be my favorite mv boss fight and the issues I have are the only thing that pushes him out of my top 3

[lavish apex]

and he's a fantastic character

[light swan]

ok yea guess im wrong, i forgot people dont use bop shairpin with slingshot mb y’all

[wind mulch]

bungie fell off after Halo

[graceful oyster]

Halo 2 is so good, hello fellow H2 enjoyer

[umbral ether]

apperently a everhood roguelite is being made

[rich pagoda]

It's the best game
It has amazing graphics
It has a story
It has sharks
It has spooky folklore legends
It has dolphins
It has amazing gameplay
And no combat to be terrible

Go play Endless Ocean Blue World
Best game

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-arbiter-master-chief-gif-22134808

[ancient mortar]

Oh God I've heard, I hope it's good. I also need to give eh2 another chance but I don't think it'll work

[quartz cave]

Chat i am so excited for the new avatar legends game

[orchid spruce]

what's the point of giving me a parry, telling me it's the most important thing ever and NOT have parriable attacks in the final boss

[wind mulch]

well thats halo 3 but

[real hearth]

i got bad news about my favorite game of all time then

[silk panther]

Okay okay true but we have to all agree that super battle frozen golf fairway is 100% no doubt the best objective game of all time

[orchid spruce]

i am going to cook grime

[graceful oyster]

I loved playing both of their sides in 2

[wind mulch]

if its Destiny thats ok Destiny has wabi sabi

[light swan]

suck it up we hate parries

[rich pagoda]

Sure sure
I think we can agree here

[silk panther]

Destiny

[graceful oyster]

Arbiter is awesome

[real hearth]

i LOVe destiny

[silk panther]

Omg destiny aaaaah

[real hearth]

my childhood game ❤️

[wind mulch]

me too

[orchid spruce]

thanks guys, i appreciate the love

[silk panther]

I’m gonna start foaming at the mouth

[wind mulch]

the arbiter is too goated

[umbral ether]

i played warframe instead of destiny

[light swan]

y’all have made me feel a bit better

[ancient mortar]

I didn't like warframe

[lavish apex]

does that tech meaningfully slow down your attack speed?

[graceful oyster]

[ancient mortar]

Can I get the ragebait award for not liking warframe

[wind mulch]

being a Destiny fan is sort of like being in an abusive relationship

[silk panther]

Which somehow survived longer

Like wtf

[quartz cave]

Im just gonna go back to playing sons i forgot i literally cannot mention anything that isnt super mainstream or mio

[real hearth]

i actually do art direction for a destiny 2 discord the rabbit hole goes that deep

[umbral ether]

i like warframe

[sharp slate]

God haven't played warframe in years too tier free game

[ancient mortar]

I think I just can't do mmos

[rich pagoda]

My fave game is still Endless Ocean Blue World. My second favourite is Okami. The pillars of my childhood besides Sonic Adventure 2 and many of the Zelda titles.

[wind mulch]

thats so cool

[silk panther]

I have over 2 thousand hours in destiny 2 lmao

[wind mulch]

ive got like 1100

[light swan]

i proc bop and i get slingshots off so no

[real hearth]

i have way too many hours

[ancient mortar]

I spent too many hours playing the most dog shit mmos ever to like mmos now

[silk panther]

Ofc I quit long time ago

[umbral ether]

oh yeah i guess warframe is a mmo

[ancient mortar]

Anyone here remember realm of the mad god

[umbral ether]

vaguely

[ancient mortar]

That shit was ass

[orchid spruce]

isn't mio mainstream

[graceful oyster]

Mixed martial orts

[ancient mortar]

I played so much if it

[sharp slate]

Fair, not for everyone, I have played them for a bit then abandoned them tbh, never hard committed for the best lmao

[rich pagoda]

Oh hey me too
Ever heard of a shit MMO named Toram Online?
It's still running for some reason

[light swan]

also i just rewatched some of my hitlesses

[toxic vigil]

Sigh i haven't played any of these games 😭 idk what you guys are talking about

[umbral ether]

did anyone else play maplestory

[ancient mortar]

No, I think it deserves more recognition though, it's the second best mv I've played

[graceful oyster]

Far from it

[rich pagoda]

I spent too many hours on that trash

[real hearth]

it’s a lot of fun, i help the main lowman raiding discord for d2 actually look nice and shiny and its awesome

[orchid spruce]

how could someone not know about the best metroidvania ever made

[potent vessel]

thats not even a lot of hours big dawg

[orchid spruce]

blasphemy

[lavish apex]

if playing optimally means attacking less then that's fine but it also doesn't negate my point that the openings are massive

[umbral ether]

this is my 2nd time playing it i first played it on switch

[exotic dome]

castlevania circle of the moon!

[ancient mortar]

You can't just remind me that exists like that

I'm never recovering from this

[lavish apex]

all this should be contextualized with the knowledge that I DO LOVE THIS BOSS

[real hearth]

i thought it was

[potent vessel]

i played maplestory 2

[lavish apex]

and MIO COMBAT IS FUN

[rich pagoda]

I'm glad I'm alone with my stupid Toram Online gameplay

[umbral ether]

same i wonder why it was cancelled

[real hearth]

i like mio combat a ton too

[frosty kelp]

it's like how people don't know about the best anime film ever made (cosmic princess kaguya)

[sharp slate]

Didn't know you could play warframe on the switch

[ancient mortar]

As I've said before I think mios is the second best mv I've played.

[exotic dome]

whats the first?

[rich pagoda]

Because less people playing that game is good

[light swan]

my fun strat gets a bop+slingshot+upslash > shairpin > bop+3hitcombo > slingshot+bop+3hitcombo > shairpin > bop+3hit combo

thats 12 hits

[solemn marten]

how is the game overall

[lavish apex]

and i feel like people liking tc combat more shouldn't be that big of a deal

[umbral ether]

i mained excal umbra

[ancient mortar]

Guess

[graceful oyster]

The first being Lone Fungus Melody of Spores

[umbral ether]

i currently main dante

[frosty kelp]

currently listening to cosmic princess kaguya music 😭

[real hearth]

warframe is cool but it gets boring around the point ur at

[civic island]

Is this mortal combat 😭

[potent vessel]

shinobi art of vengeance

[ancient mortar]

Hit metroidvania steam world dig (lying)

[light swan]

for the one milliont time i don’t care that people like other games more

[light swan]

no it’s mio

[umbral ether]

yeah im mostly just waiting for more quests

[exotic dome]

a lot of ppl prefer hk over silksong so it's one of those

[sharp slate]

Its my #3 or #4

[ancient mortar]

Skong is my favorite I think

[exotic dome]

same

[civic island]

It sounds like a cage combo lmao

[real hearth]

i enjoyed it, i haven’t finished it but the exploration and stuff is super cool. the levels have a lot of linearity to them but they fill the space vertically quite well

[potent vessel]

should i play mio 🤔

[light swan]

for all i know in a parallel universe i like witch crest more and that’s perfectly valid

[exotic dome]

top 2 is hk, 3/4 is nine sols/mio

[real hearth]

combat is great, bosses so far (i’m prob around 50% through) aren’t that good but they’re cool

[ancient mortar]

Definitely worth a shot I think

[hybrid flare]

lwk same

[orchid spruce]

kaguyasama

[sharp slate]

If I had to do my metroidvania ranking... skong > mio = nine sols = hk > ori 2

[civic island]

Witch crest is noice

[frosty kelp]

also valid I'm reading through it right now

[graceful oyster]

I can't shave freakin' 1.8 seconds off my F&N time to save my life

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/86-gif-25171712

[graceful oyster]

1.8

[frosty kelp]

not a film

[civic island]

The only reason i dont like ori is because it was super expensive

[real hearth]

well after solo leveling sure

[light swan]

what is it then

[civic island]

Def more than sk

[rich pagoda]

I prefer SK over HK actually
I feel like SK is more polished and it shows, and that really makes it a lot more fun on top of having so many more combat style options and that being much more fun

[lavish apex]

i still really want to play nine sols. looking forward slightly less after i got untagged spoiled on something that seems like a big plot beat but it's fiiiiiine

[frosty kelp]

an anime series

[hybrid flare]

Mine would be Skong > Hk > Mio > Ns > Blas 1 > Blas 2

[light swan]

is love is war a film

[potent vessel]

its pretty cheap on sale

[graceful oyster]

What?

[sharp slate]

Fair, I just need to give it another shot tbh, didn't complete it

[lavish apex]

onion

[umbral ether]

that's not a film

[frosty kelp]

no I forgot to say 86 is also peak mb 😭😭

[lavish apex]

a couple days ago

[graceful oyster]

Of course.

[sharp slate]

Ender lilies is on the to play list as well

[ancient mortar]

Too bad I'm spoiling the game, there's sols and the game I think there's like nine of them.

[graceful oyster]

What was it?

[umbral ether]

also i like dorohedoro more then solo leveling currently

[civic island]

I played it for a while i didnt really like the gameplay

[civic island]

DOROHEDOROOOOOOOO

[exotic dome]

the amount of sols is in fact 9

[rich pagoda]

I will spoil Endless Ocean Blue World for you all

There's an ocean in it.

[lavish apex]

NINE SOLS MASSIVE SPOILER PROBABLY ||yi dies||

[real hearth]

i don’t think polish is the word i’d use to describe sk, it’s more flawed than the original hollow knight as of now imo but it’s so much more grand and varied, along with the perfected combat that i give it the edge

[umbral ether]

seasons 2 is very good so far

[frosty kelp]

Free dopamine sure but pls watch more anime if you think this is the best anime 😭

[civic island]

i havent started it yet i like the concept tho

[silk panther]

Guys witch crest is actually the worst crest in the game I hate it did a full play through with it obviously banned all the tools that made it good and yeah it sucks worst crest in the game will never play it again

[sharp slate]

Yea spoilers suck, that's why I advocate for longer discussions to be held in hk general or off topic

[real hearth]

i was ragebaiting to see what you’d say

[umbral ether]

a shame the ed hasn't seemed to change yet

[frosty kelp]

you played it wrong you're supposed to play with sawtooth circlet

[graceful oyster]

||Brother that happens at the beginning of the game|| 😭

[real hearth]

i don’t watch tv

[frosty kelp]

THANK GOD

[silk panther]

Just so happened to ban that

[ancient mortar]

I haven't finished the game but yeah that's within the first 5 seconds

[civic island]

Okay why

[lavish apex]

what

[rich pagoda]

Man it'd be devastating to know that there's ocean in Endless Ocean Blue World

[umbral ether]

i like solo leveling for it's animation but other anime ive watched are much better

[rich pagoda]

I'm sorry. Very critical information

[frosty kelp]

yeah it's supposed to look like this

[exotic dome]

yea that happens in the 2nd second

[real hearth]

i’m a proud larper

[frosty kelp]

yes solo levelling isn't bad but it DOES NOT DESERVE ANIME OF THE YEAR

[toxic vigil]

Witch?? Without tools?? The 3 blues crest?? The spogo crest?? The nuke crest??

[umbral ether]

yeah

[silk panther]

Yeah it sucks

[lavish apex]

that's crazy

[silk panther]

It’s terrible like actually worst crest

[civic island]

Excuse me but solo leveling isnt that good

[silk panther]

In the game reaper is better than it

Pogo is so bad

[rich pagoda]

In the first game there's no ocean btw
There's only a boat
That's why it's not Blue World

[frosty kelp]

ban everything for witch except for literally the most important things like sawtooth circlet claw mirrors multibinder and warding bell cus that's literally part of the crest

[ancient mortar]

The worst crest is actually the France crest

[real hearth]

what about reaper crest (the best one)

[toxic vigil]

Witch without tools is ass.
You are meant to use tools
( still better than reaper but )

[rich pagoda]

(This is not true)

[real hearth]

wait really are u sure

[civic island]

Ah alr

[frosty kelp]

if you're not using tools sure but if you're not using tools it's not even witch crest anymore

[civic island]

It was fun but its not really good

[frosty kelp]

oh ok DAC

[umbral ether]

it is carried by it's animation heavily

[ancient mortar]

I see so many animes being discussed daily and I've watched almost none of them, I should probably watch more.

[civic island]

Fax

[real hearth]

the only thing i’ve seen abt solo leveling is people hating on the stor
y

[silk panther]

Idk man the crest just sucks did I mention I had zero idea how to use it before hand? Yeah the crest sucks

[light swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1497288865810087967/1497289062015308010/IMG_2496.png?ex=69f82f5a&is=69f6ddda&hm=3d4ec5966dcd34c7bf3068c36c5c6e40a115bd778435215f2b4c6d6cf70b388d&

[sharp slate]

Maybe witch crested needs to be renamed sawtooth circlet crest

[frosty kelp]

honestly really fair

[lavish apex]

i know i'm pretty singularly alone in my preference for hk1 combat but i don't think that will ever change

[real hearth]

i love larping about shit i know nothing about

[silk panther]

YOU SPOILED IT YOU RAT

[light swan]

#sk-discussion message

[hybrid flare]

you're getting burned at the stake

[silk panther]

HOW DARE YOU

[toxic vigil]

No

[light swan]

i too am a rat in the vessel

[atomic bluff]

guys what car do you all drive?

[ancient mortar]

I liked having 3 spells

[umbral ether]

watch dorohedoro it is very good

[frosty kelp]

no tools no experience and not knowing the right way to use it definitely makes it trash 😭

[real hearth]

what makes you prefer hk?

[potent vessel]

my feet

[civic island]

Fax

[ancient mortar]

I think I've watched 2 anime that I've actually liked so far

[civic island]

I really like witch crest

[silk panther]

Yeah tell that to the guy that actually called it the worst

[ancient mortar]

Maybe 3 I can't remember

[frosty kelp]

however if you DO know how to use it tho... It becomes INSANELY BUSTED

[silk panther]

He banned circlet LMAO

[lavish apex]

ultimately it boils down to the way soul budget and spells work in comparison to silk skills and red tools

[rich pagoda]

But you should totally play Endless Ocean Blue World
It's the latest release that is an acceptable video game to play

Go boop Thanatos on the snoot and take an underwater selfie with a giant shark c:

[civic island]

The attacks are super nice

[silk panther]

LIKE WHAT??

[real hearth]

that’s totally fair

[frosty kelp]

yeah that's dumb

[light swan]

@frosty kelp it’s ok it’s ok

[real hearth]

i give silksong the combat more due to the variance in gameplay styles

[toxic vigil]

I think banning red tools is fair but banning blue and yellow is stupid

[sharp slate]

Its weird, I love hk combat mechanically, but I like fluidity of skong. HK is a lot more rigid which isnt a bad thing. Cool thet combat in both gsmes is different tbh

[lavish apex]

also kind of charms but that's not entirely a combat mechanic

[real hearth]

hk has some variance but more surface level

[ancient mortar]

I had fun with my no tools of any kind run, it does add a good bit of chalkenge

Not insurmountable, even when I was using it for nohits

[frosty kelp]

I'm not angry not knowing how to use it correctly is detremental so if someone calls it the worst crest in the game and doesn't know how to use it then ofc it's kinda ass but if you DO know then it's becomes busetd

[toxic vigil]

it just removes the fun of builds

[sharp slate]

Only thing I hate about hk combat is turnarounds fuck their existence

[civic island]

Crest goes boom

[light swan]

builds were never fun in the first place

[silk panther]

That guy was actually heated at it lmao

[lavish apex]

what do you mean by turnarounds?

[ancient mortar]

Ig, but builds in skong are very simplistic

[frosty kelp]

the guy in the video?

[toxic vigil]

i have fun with them

[real hearth]

i love both combat styles but i ultimately prefer silksong’s execution

[silk panther]

Yeah

[rich pagoda]

This is why I enjoy playing on KB with arrow keys for movement

[toxic vigil]

true but they can still be a bit fun

[ancient mortar]

I wish I could have 3 spells on hunters crest

[toxic vigil]

like using egg of flealia against seth or stuff like that

[light swan]

this is why we play the game that creates entire playstyles from it’s customization

[silk panther]

Fun fact I actually love witch crest favorite crest in the game for me

[rich pagoda]

I have the sharpest turnarounds ever

[orchid spruce]

how do you not know turnarounds as the biggest hk fan

[frosty kelp]

I mean yeah that should be obvious it's the most fun crest in the game BY FAR

[civic island]

Cya 👋🏿

[silk panther]

Yeah

[lavish apex]

OH you mean the cooldown speed thing

[real hearth]

you also can’t use the best attack set in the game being reaper crest in base hollow knight

[ancient mortar]

I liked HK charms because they had more whimsy but they were poorly balanced

[sharp slate]

Turn around nail cancels, stupid high level tech

[lavish apex]

that speedrunners do

[real hearth]

which also is a major factor

[orchid spruce]

yues

[sharp slate]

Yea

[lavish apex]

i've never used those lol

[frosty kelp]

my only complaint is it's garbage for parrying but then again it's supposed to a spogo and nuke crest so needle combat is kinda stupid

[orchid spruce]

red tools make charms look balanced

[real hearth]

grimmchild was perfect

[light swan]

it’s cool with parrying especially the dash attack

[sharp slate]

I used to speedrun, that's why I hate them, I refused to use them because I thought they were stupid lol

[ancient mortar]

Sure but blue tools are fairly well balanced, the outliers aren't as overpowered and there's less of them

[real hearth]

how i miss my boy

[lavish apex]

i don't think blue tools are better balanced in an enjoyable way

[silk panther]

I use parry with it lmao when I’m useing rdac and not nuke spam

[lavish apex]

mio's mods are what i would call a take on the charm system that's more effectively balanced

[ancient mortar]

Mios mods are balanced in that every build is overpowered

[rich pagoda]

I have a silly trick for NKG in HK where I stutter tap an arrow key direction when he does his flame pillars attack to stutter step towards him as the flames stack on top of one another

[lavish apex]

a lot of tools in silksong feel like mid gimmicks or have overly stringent conditions

[frosty kelp]

hOLY TUFF

[ancient mortar]

Which is a good thing I'd say largely, build variety is nice in a meta

[real hearth]

i will say one thing i really like about mio is i had to think more about what setup i wanted to use for certain parts of the game

[frosty kelp]

imo worst crest for parrying BY FAR (needle parry not stitch)

[real hearth]

i never did that in either hollow knight

[exotic dome]

some blue tools have a shitty downside and that makes them worse

[hybrid flare]

Lost lace hate in the big 26

[sharp slate]

Im curious on the opinion of charms vs tools after a godhome releases for skong because opinions will change after a meta is defined

[rough anvil]

Didnt like having the same thing again with void attacks

[lavish apex]

the lack of notches makes the ones that aren't overshadow the rest just as much

[real hearth]

son 😭

[light swan]

we love witch parries

[hybrid flare]

Yeah but the boss is well executed and has 2 pages of mixups

[stable mica]

isnt that for every single crest that has a delay

[light swan]

i agree

[ancient mortar]

Does anyone have that gif of lost lace just completely failing to hit hornet despite going right through her

[stable mica]

i pretty sure architect is worst

[frosty kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1472143802260127805/Average_putrified_ducts.gif

[lavish apex]

and also like
yeah
hk has some stupidly strong offensive charm

but there are other ones that are also really strong

[hybrid flare]

Red tools are broken but limited in usage while blue tools are overall all pretty usable

[toxic vigil]

quickslash is insane

[ancient mortar]

Hks balance sucks because there's like 3 charms that are objectively better than every other charm

[frosty kelp]

witch crest has 0.15 second delay. What is architect's delay

[silk panther]

Maybe idk

I like parry with it

[lavish spear]

strange request but does anyone have any niche silksong youtubers i could watch :') i've watched all of Skurry's videos basically and loved the guy Sample but he only made one video. any reqs?

[exotic dome]

strength is just mandatory for godhome

[sharp slate]

Tbh I think this is just due to the meta being defined due to godgome existing

[frosty kelp]

aura 😭

[ancient mortar]

To such an extent that you are handicapping yourself if you use anything but 1 build.

[rich pagoda]

Nobody is ready to accept that Soul Eater is an underrated gem of a charm

[lavish apex]

which is true but i think even completely independently of those there are STILL a bigger portion of them that feel worth using than tools

[hybrid flare]

Most tools are very much usable

[silk panther]

Oooooooh

[ancient mortar]

Ub strength maybe but qs and shaman were always must haves

[sharp slate]

When godhome for silksong comes out its gonna be volt filament, sawtooth and long claw probably

[silk panther]

I thought you meant

[lavish apex]

i banned those 3 charms on my most recent playthrough and still felt a big boost from the others

[odd marsh]

why do you have a clip for every diffrent topic 😭

[ancient mortar]

Long claw is not all that.

[silk panther]

Maybe the cat guy

[lavish apex]

ntm strength has a pretty big downside for new players

[graceful oyster]

Quickslash is basically soul eater if you think about it

[sharp slate]

Ite good for damage, allows more hits

[real hearth]

honestly in hk/sk i only use charms/tools that i think are fun and it makes the game way more enjoyable

[frosty kelp]

those last 2 parries are insane but the first 2 I don't think you were in danger

[lavish apex]

you also get actually good ones way earlier in hk

[ancient mortar]

The radiant setup will be sawtooth, volt, and snitch pick I think, on hunters

[real hearth]

i will never equip shaman stone

[potent vessel]

hes goated

[lavish spear]

ty ! i will check him oout. i think ik who you're talking about lol

[sharp slate]

Shaman is the real problem for hk pre godhome

[silk panther]

Tuu sowl

[frosty kelp]

TUFF

[lavish apex]

like soul catcher is a banger

[odd marsh]

it kind of is and isint, its more like a op soul catcher, soul eater just need i think 3-4 hits for max bar

[sharp slate]

Hk has alot of good charms

[real hearth]

that charm makes the game so boring

i hate it

[ancient mortar]

Quickslash is kinda chud tho too.

[rich pagoda]

Quickslash is soul eater if your playstyle is aggressive and aggro. It's not if you're more patient and floaty.

[toxic vigil]

volt sawtooth longclaw / snitchpick / egg of flealia

[lavish apex]

the first genuinely obviously good blue tool you get is band

[odd marsh]

i never used shamans in my first playthru lol

[lavish apex]

like, 1/3rd of the way through act 2

[graceful oyster]

Quickslash is aggressive

[sharp slate]

Soul catch, twister, MOP, NMG, Heart, quick focus

[real hearth]

i didn’t either but my friend did and i saw what it did for him

[ancient mortar]

The cross stitch abuse for radhog will be wild

[stable mica]

0.06

[hybrid flare]

Warding bell??

[lavish apex]

hk can give you good shit earlier because of notches

[stable mica]

ye witch is worse

[graceful oyster]

If you're not being aggressive with qs you don't need to be using qs

[lavish apex]

and notches are also a great system

[hybrid flare]

Warding bell, sting shard, magma bell

[frosty kelp]

yeah pretty much. More delay more worse for parrying basically

[sharp slate]

Imo snitchpick is overrated. Egg i can see, I run it on shaman

[orchid spruce]

I don't use QS

[rich pagoda]

Yea I'm saying that Quickslash actually does nothing for my playstyle because I don't play aggressively
It's the one thing I can't do in HK very well because my playstyle doesn't mesh with that

[lavish apex]

and consistently feel very good to obtain unlike memory lockets

[real hearth]

until joining this server the other day i never heard the acronym radhog before but its awesome

[orchid spruce]

EGG?? EGG?? EGG??

[stable mica]

r u sure is 0.15 tho?

[toxic vigil]

snitch is situasional but can be used

[frosty kelp]

yes

[stable mica]

it feels very comparable in gameplay

[lavish apex]

and make finding charms you might not want to use feel more satisfying with salubra's goals

[frosty kelp]

also here's karm parrying with architect https://youtu.be/hX6rC1zMmm8?si=jMMBnyQ5cTSzur1z

[graceful oyster]

How incredibly profound...

[lavish apex]

ass (sorry witch players)

[sharp slate]

Fair, might be speedrun meta for a godhome thing, but i personally never could use it for hitless stuff for example

[hybrid flare]

its lwk good even for the avg joe

[light swan]

i tjink witch is great at parrying it’s just a skissue

[orchid spruce]

HAHHH HAAAHHHAAA HAAA HAAAHAAA HEEEEEHEEEE HEEEEEEEEE

[toxic vigil]

i used it for like 1st sinner because clawline

[ancient mortar]

This is the rad hog btw

[graceful oyster]

No, no, no!

[light swan]

@frosty kelp peep my parries

[sharp slate]

Yea first sinner is the clawline boss tbh

[light swan]

No, no, no!

[toxic vigil]

i did the mod for radhog and did all bosses with either 1 or 0 red tools

[rich pagoda]

I mostly run Soul Eater, Shaman, Mark of Pride and Dreamwielder in HK

I could possibly drop Mark for Strength but it's a QoL I enjoy

[real hearth]

ommhg

[graceful oyster]

How extremely cruel

[toxic vigil]

mostly used hunter, shaman, wanderer

[ancient mortar]

I used dash attacks more on her

[lavish apex]

i don't think so tbh

[sharp slate]

I got a really hot take reddit would crucify me for that Unnamed and I were discussing

[silk panther]

Holy shit he’s still going

[frosty kelp]

very clean

[ancient mortar]

Shakra is the clawline boss

[orchid spruce]

D M M D I T

[silk panther]

I thought the point was made 5 minutes ago

[lavish apex]

you're still screwed out of your silk when it activates

[real hearth]

let’s hear it

[rich pagoda]

And that not fully meta charm set is my go-to that I always reach for

[light swan]

not witch crest but

[toxic vigil]

alright les go

[graceful oyster]

It's gonna take a lot more kills than that trust me lady

[silk panther]

Clean

[orchid spruce]

We are more ass than she thought

[sharp slate]

Clawline in combat is overrated and is just used because players are badly positioned

[light swan]

not my gameplay but

[real hearth]

hmmm

[ancient mortar]

Goat crest with goat stitch

[frosty kelp]

I know this isn't how witch is meant to be played but insane stuff https://youtu.be/lrgoLoiFEO0?si=SssNLAnreEJORtTH he said he doesn't like spogos

[real hearth]

i never use clawline in battle but it looks fun and useful on bosses that teleport

[silk panther]

Illu how good is flea brew combined with flintslate with witch

[ancient mortar]

It's good in a lot of situations

[toxic vigil]

1st sinner is the best

[light swan]

flea brew is nerfed on witch crest specifically

check out my parry like, halfway through the video

[real hearth]

yea this is the one i see most often

[frosty kelp]

nice :)))

[sharp slate]

Yea, we discussed how we would always recommend clawline for first sinner for players, but the more I get used to bosses the more useless it feels

[toxic vigil]

yeah lmao

[real hearth]

interesting

[royal summit]

What crest u using

[exotic dome]

20% is still good no?

[ancient mortar]

Flea brew is extra effective on the infinite flea brew crest oh God

[silk panther]

Bu dat don answr da questin

[frosty kelp]

anyway here's watcher at the edge but parryful https://youtu.be/Omf6hPivPlQ?si=kT4rrYjn31FUe9_D

[real hearth]

closest human made text to genai

[light swan]

i saw a lot of clawline opportunities in your sentinel video 👀

[light swan]

cursed crest

[toxic vigil]

https://youtu.be/ZoWM-_WSlNk?si=TCUUSUcQzASp0iKN

[rich pagoda]

What exactly does spogo mean actually

[light swan]

answer is no probabky

[light swan]

sawtooth pogo

[royal summit]

The what

[real hearth]

ok it looks a bit better there

[rich pagoda]

? What

[real hearth]

that ss did it dirty

[silk panther]

Okay so no flea brew but flintslate is a yes?

[toxic vigil]

before abortion witch crest

[sharp slate]

Tbf that was a hitless video, and consistent hitless stuff clawline is SUICIDE

[lavish apex]

i think this is less true the worse you are at the game

[frosty kelp]

before getting witch crest and curing it you are forced to use the cursed crest which is witch crest with no tools

[royal summit]

Ohhh

[toxic vigil]

flintslate is much better than flea brew in general

[silk panther]

That’s certainly a way to put it

[royal summit]

Mb i rember now

[orchid spruce]

I don't wanna fight Grime final boss, this thing stinks

[ancient mortar]

One mechanic I kinda wish silksong had is counter damage, dealing increased damage when hitting an enemy during their attacking frames

[lavish apex]

something like quick focus will have way more value than shaman to a lower skilled player

[light swan]

witch pogo pulls the circlet into enemies, allowing you to land sawtooth circlet from above

we call this a sawtooth pogo, abbreviated to spogo

[ancient mortar]

There should be a crest that does that

[exotic dome]

spogo is so peak

[sharp slate]

That's interesting tbh, I like that

[rich pagoda]

Ohh I see
That looks weird and kinda cheesy lmao

[ancient mortar]

Pinstress crest should have counter damage, and give you 3 nail arts.

[sharp slate]

Wanderers new gimmick please goodbye crits

[frosty kelp]

entirety of good witch gameplay centers around it basically

[frosty kelp]

REAL wanderer is probably best crest for parrying

[ancient mortar]

Would be a great use for that glorious crit sound effect.

[light swan]

witch crest and reaper crest are the only crests that can spogo

[exotic dome]

would be very cool if one of those arts is cyclone slash equivalent

[light swan]

why is it cheesy? i think it’s super cool and unique

great showcase of witch’s unique properties in its pogo

[ancient mortar]

That was the goal to emulate the first games 3 arts

[sharp slate]

Indeed. And with crits gone my inputs would be eaten less

[silk panther]

Man I love having so much blue slots

[frosty kelp]

I mean hunter can but only at close range and mainly uses for bombarding with damage

[toxic vigil]

witch crest

[exotic dome]

(that would be second sentinel's spin attack)

[silk panther]

This is amazing witch crest is great

[rich pagoda]

Idk
Something about the tool behaving weird with a specific crest pogo makes me wonder if it's intended

[lavish apex]

i think quick slash there's like no defense for that shit is just broken but to be fair it's a kind of deeply nested lategame secret

[silk panther]

• 2 reds

[toxic vigil]

no multibinder for clawmirrors?

[ancient mortar]

Every optimal strat looks cheesy because of the sheer effectiveness

[orchid spruce]

clip wall

[light swan]

probabky not, it’s still cool tho, most combat tech isnt intended

[frosty kelp]

ah ok fair enough

[sharp slate]

I need to sleep now 4am, I should be asleep lmfao peace peeps

[lavish apex]

strength prohibits its use outside of dreams until you're good enough at the game to avoid dying otherwise, until you upgrade it, which is only likely to happen really really late

[exotic dome]

yeah but it would be good if we had more nail arts like in hk

[toxic vigil]

hunter / greatslash

[ancient mortar]

Strength generally isn't a problem until it's ub or godhome

[toxic vigil]

or shaman or archi

[frosty kelp]

some crests that you dismissed like hunter can technically spogo but only if the enemy is tall and you're in close range and you're using some kind of clawline tech to optimise the close range combat but with hunter just slash and attack is faster for humans probably

[rich pagoda]

Ok fair point
That is a criticism I just have of speedrunning style combat tech
It's cool but it looks kinda cheesy and not... elegant. Elegant can be quite fast, but it's not as fast as blitzing down an enemy Imo.

[orchid spruce]

i'm not using strength in my 2nd playthrough because it's annoying to fix. shaman is better anyways.

[lavish apex]

shaman is stupid but getting a lot out of it means you need to be good at using spells and it costs 3 notches which is a lot for most of the game

[light swan]

i want the space for snitch pick

[ancient mortar]

Shaman and qs are the worst offenders, especially as qs is better than strength

[toxic vigil]

oh hm

[exotic dome]

all of them have 1 nail art at once, hk had 3

[light swan]

multibinder mirrors no injector is too slow anyway

[rich pagoda]

Obviously the point of speedrunning isn't elegance
But I would like to see more elegant battles

[lavish apex]

like i said there's not really a good defense of quickslash other than it not being easy to get early

[frosty kelp]

elegant is floorless face dancing but also uses quick slash

[lavish apex]

BUT i think it's fun :)

[toxic vigil]

you can get it before dive or crystal dash..?

[rich pagoda]

Neither Shaman or QS are actually any good if you don't use them well, or at all

[exotic dome]

qs works well for hk i think

[lavish apex]

like objectively broken and a big wrench in the balance of the system but i enjoy it a lot

[ancient mortar]

Quickslash and shaman should do less or cost more

[frosty kelp]

you can't get it before dive I thought?

[ancient mortar]

Or have a downside

[light swan]

is this elegant

[lavish apex]

genuinely how do you get it before dive

[toxic vigil]

wait i don't remember

[exotic dome]

shaman is so easy to get in earlygame with shade skip

[frosty kelp]

you need dive to access the area with quick slash

[lavish apex]

it's in the part of kingdom's edge that's locked behind dive

[toxic vigil]

4 notch qslash, 40/26% shaman stone

[exotic dome]

yeah quickslash is pretty mid-late game

[lavish apex]

kingdom's edge, the area you need to have found city 2 or tram pass for

[ancient mortar]

What if shaman stone had the barbed bracelet downside

[orchid spruce]

i don't wanna fight this boss, i hate this boss

[lavish apex]

ass

[toxic vigil]

overcharming moment

[lavish apex]

get that game design away from hk1

[ancient mortar]

It would still be busted, but it would just be a must for radiant

[light swan]

how do you guys feel about witch crest being the best crest for so many tools and options

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-witch-crest-average-gif-8365463044423717700

[ancient mortar]

Idk what the best crest is atp

I like hunters the best because I vibe with ut

And I like how it's balanced

[exotic dome]

same

[frosty kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/sk-skong-silk-song-silksong-gif-5179514145072108667

[toxic vigil]

best crest is like
if you don't ban red tools: architect lol
if you do: shaman and hunter, depends on the boss

[ancient mortar]

Also I like how brutally efficient hunters can be

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-skong-gif-16335370890033522618

[exotic dome]

hunters crest made me like sk more than hk after using it in the second playthrough

[lavish apex]

also only becomes really stupid broken when complimented by other charms that are also good on their own imo

[rich pagoda]

Gotta give it a 7/10
I want to see more calm confidence and ease. Kind of- treating the boss as a dance partner. I'm gonna be honest, still looking frantic and aggressively hounding the boss. It's clean but not what I mean.

[ancient mortar]

Hunters mechanic is going to be broken in radiant tho

[orchid spruce]

you carry silksong ngl

[lavish apex]

the soul economy ones specifically

[light swan]

witch crest carries silksong

[ancient mortar]

This is crazy good gameplay ngl

[light swan]

hmm

[silk panther]

Yes

[light swan]

there’s a lot of clawlines i could use during my spogos

[exotic dome]

whats broken in radiant is shaman with volt filament, hunters is fine

[orchid spruce]

no one would discover those unintentional techs without you

[light swan]

but when i do it for mio no one cares

[frosty kelp]

real

[light swan]

too complicated for y’all’s feeble brains

[ancient mortar]

Idk I did some crazy damage with hunters nohits when I had zero tools red blue or yellow and was limiting my weapon upgrades.
Add volt filament and snitch and barbed with stich and holy shit

[silk panther]

Guys rate the cat in my pfp

[light swan]

no one can understand double turnaround bop kinetic thrust combos and how difficult they are…

[orchid spruce]

most mainstream metroidvania vs pebble hidden beneath devil's asscrack

[rich pagoda]

I can pull out my Rad PV footage as an example of my style but I don't really know how I'd upload it lol

In short, I kinda slow down my gameplay for style.

[silk panther]

Well this is the hollow knight discord

[light swan]

no one cares in the mio discord i mean lol

[silk panther]

Oh

[rich pagoda]

It's in a Google drive >.>

[light swan]

@rich pagoda how are these, very old but that’s why it’s less aggressive

[silk panther]

Lmao

[frosty kelp]

||https://youtu.be/44pR60ZWAh4?si=0lJtY7IuK92T6O-u|| this is elegant

[ancient mortar]

I think silksong just has a more challenge runner heavy player base

[orchid spruce]

most silksong players are casual players whose only metroidvanias are silksong and possibly also hollow knight

[silk panther]

Should have nuked sentinel for the kill

[ancient mortar]

I'm still trying to understand what counts as elegant to you

[exotic dome]

why does the song fit perfectly

[frosty kelp]

I think I'll get grapple and beat mio then I'll come back and join the speed killing community and then pls teach me mio combat peak

[orchid spruce]

the active silksong players tend to be sweats

[rich pagoda]

I'd say a bit better. Just try and be as cinematic as possible is my tip. You also don't have to cater to my silly tastes.

[exotic dome]

also the parries in 1:38 is cool asf

[rich pagoda]

Cinematic and smooth is hard to achieve Imo

[rich pagoda]

No
Still missing the point

[ancient mortar]

Is this elegant?

Wait wait, I need to find my trobbio one, maybe that would satisfy

[light swan]

i have this pretry cinematics fight because my bg song accidentally lined up

[hybrid flare]

When will bosses ever have original movement transitions without teleporting

[rich pagoda]

I like this! Yes!

[graceful oyster]

Trobbio

[hybrid flare]

trobbio is lwk the worst culprit

[light swan]

ik im blitzing shit down but idc

[split flume]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-excellent-yes-meme-nod-gif-17397471

[rich pagoda]

You do what you want lol
I have a particular taste and my taste is patience and control

[graceful oyster]

I like having full control of the situation

[lavish apex]

also i think dedicated spellspam builds with no strength or qs are really fun and still strong

[frosty kelp]

dang it's kinda impossible then cus speedrunning is not patience and control 😭

[rich pagoda]

I don't expect speed

[lavish apex]

same with healspam builds

[frosty kelp]

wait I know

the elegant speedrun Gwyn is looking for is a lv 0 ||eigong|| speedrun

[rich pagoda]

I run one in HK yknow
It's really good.

[light swan]

whos that and are they spoilers

[exotic dome]

https://youtu.be/K0HTrxUu6JI i suck in this video but is this elegant

[silk panther]

Guys it’s 05:12 should I sleep

Potentially should I get rest

[frosty kelp]

@rich pagoda this is a speedrun and it's actually peak ||https://youtu.be/PkRhk57eVlw?si=y6MNAHCapE-uAwPg|| don't watch if you haven't played nine sols tho

[lavish apex]

qs strength and shaman being as strong as they are in comparison to other charms is an issue but i don't think it's one that manifests that much in normal blind progression or one that ruins the charm system as a whole

[light swan]

@rich pagoda this is the most elegant fight i’ve seen

[split flume]

This is shit

[silk panther]

Or should I continue chatting for those sweet image perms

[light swan]

can we talk about how elegant A&T are

[ancient mortar]

homophobia% speedrun

[light swan]

one of the most cleanest dance fights out there

[rich pagoda]

Beautiful
I'm being kind of bombarded with stuff and I'm trying to give a fair watch to all lol

[hybrid flare]

who

[exotic dome]

yea i'm very slow in this

[orchid spruce]

actually, the boss is pretty good

[ancient mortar]

Heres the last one for tonight

[rich pagoda]

The boss is definitely elegant
Getting hit on boss spawn unintentionally is a bit less elegant lmao

[lavish apex]

hk1 is definitely not without its fair share of bad or niche equippables though

like silksong

heavy blow 💀

deep focus 💀 💀

[hybrid flare]

Usually the very niche equipment in skong is good..

Like magma bell for example

[light swan]

MIO SPOILERS || https://youtu.be/QePjEBjPdwI?si=YarYmJg3Ws5l52Wc|| i play like shit but they definitely have the highest elegance capability

[exotic dome]

team cherry cant do balancing

[light swan]

if only they weren’t so late in the game

[hybrid flare]

ooooh them, they're alright ig

[lavish apex]

oh no that's not the target of that statement

[light swan]

really fun to do with low abilities

[light swan]

they are less than alright

[lavish apex]

magma bell and wreath of purity are fine

[exotic dome]

i forgot this guys existed

[lavish apex]

i'm talking about dogshit like memory crystal

or wispfire lantern

[frosty kelp]

wisp lantern

[exotic dome]

wisp lantern is glowing womb 2

[light swan]

yk what the most elegant thing is

[lavish apex]

glowing womb also sucks yeah

[cold trellis]

A lot of people do use these 2 tools for some reason s

[hybrid flare]

Wisp is glowing womb but it can be actually usable

[frosty kelp]

witch crest

[hybrid flare]

memory crystal does nothing yeah

[rich pagoda]

This? This I love to see

[onyx wigeon]

Nah Wanderer

[exotic dome]

hell nah im not using that over any other blue tool

except for memory crystal

[frosty kelp]

wanderer parrying yes. Wanderer face tanking speedkill no

[lavish apex]

they both do the same stupid shitty thing and i don't care about any nuances there might be to it

[light swan]

needle parrying a windblade > dash attack the landing > cross stitch the cross slash > my cross stitch activates their parry > cross stitch their parry AGAIN > stagger

this has happened to me once on my second sentinel modded bossfight but not on camera

it’s like totk final boss

[ancient mortar]

actually ill post this one since i think its my best, but i should probably go to bed now

[light swan]

parrying their parry to my parry

[frosty kelp]

me who just builds a big funny laser machine to beat everything and took like 2 hours on the final boss cus I couldn't cheese 😭😭

[lavish apex]

multibinder on its own is pretty butt also hot take

[onyx wigeon]

But its easy to Spamm and its perfect if you dont have act 3 or good red tools

[frosty kelp]

the goal is elegant not spam 😭

[light swan]

i wanna see you talk about tools with witch in mind

[onyx wigeon]

missed that srry

[frosty kelp]

@light swan I think you might notice a theme is that I always try to cheese the game somehow :)))

[lavish apex]

i know how many snitch pick glazers there are in chat but that will never not be a joke item to me

[frosty kelp]

but wanderer can still be elegant with parrying

[onyx wigeon]

Thats true

[rich pagoda]

I love doing Sisters of Battle in HK Nail Only
It's kinda the training grounds for elegant combat if you will, Imo

Specifically nail only and I do usually do Rad SoB this way

It makes you have to learn the ways

[light swan]

so eleganto

[frosty kelp]

this is elegant https://youtu.be/8HYOw0QNWec?si=9uzxITYVlkRVCPLt

[lavish apex]

i don't play witch

[exotic dome]

clawline dmg boost is NOT that good

[ancient mortar]

The main draw of snitch is the faster staggers iirc

[lavish apex]

so i don't really care about witch mechanics that much

[frosty kelp]

I agree unless you're playing witch rdac then it's really good but I do think it's overglazed by some if not using witch

[orchid spruce]

this final boss is pretty good

[rich pagoda]

It's between SoB and NKG for who made me appreciate some smooth, calm, and confident combat moves

[onyx wigeon]

damn this is nice

[exotic dome]

i didnt master witch rdac so it never striked me as a good tool

[light swan]

elegancy at its peak

[frosty kelp]

Yeah there's another one that's less satisfying but insanely more difficult https://youtu.be/3XkaAUMPU70?si=1_WRv34xTr6mhPFE

[exotic dome]

i should try this

[lavish apex]

sawtooth circlet is objectively very strong but it's also not something i'm interested in using ever

[light swan]

this is why i tune into cursed crest

[orchid spruce]

i like this rockslop more than speep i think

[light swan]

im tired of people thinking witch is defined by bind or spogo

[orchid spruce]

but the slug of grime kinda drags it down

[frosty kelp]

try second sentinel but DO NOT try cogwork dancers it's just geniune pain

[orchid spruce]

i'll have to see

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade3-xenoblade2-xenoblade-xc3-xc2-gif-26519527

[onyx wigeon]

By this crossing attack: How did he do that????

[rich pagoda]

She really wouldn't respect a bug's sacred elevator ride? S m h
Yea she deserves to be clowned on and blitzed down with impunity
Can't even duel honorably

[orchid spruce]

it has rare parriable attacks that i have to actively seek out for to deal extra damage

you would like grime, illu if you can power through the initial slug movement

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/n-xenoblade-xenoblade-3-xenoblade-consul-n-moebius-n-gif-4239258777404260514

[orchid spruce]

it even has limited use tools, our beloved (no this sucks actually)

[lavish apex]

nobody will ever convince me that a 25% damage boost on a move that you aren't using literally constantly and that does the same amount of damage as normal needle attacks is actually impactful

[frosty kelp]

I believe it's just luck that crossing attack is random for when the cogwork dancers attack each line so I think he just got lucky with spamming wanderer attack

[lavish apex]

i can buy better than a lot of other blue tools for sure

[light swan]

why do people think they know my tastes, no one likes what i like as much as i do

[lavish apex]

but like
good in a vacuum

no

[ancient mortar]

The damage boost isnt why people like snitch, its the increased staggers combined with that damage boost iirc.

[light swan]

i only trust tammo

[frosty kelp]

My feeble attempts of all parry cogwork dancers are garbage but I can showcase some cool clips of parrying the crossing attack but it's mostly just guessing

[rich pagoda]

I like to respect enemy combatants I'm fighting against in HK and SK if they're clearly intelligent warriors
It becomes a duel and thus I am bound by honour to respect my opponent and beat them as fairly as possible

[orchid spruce]

you need to trust me too illu

[light swan]

i like snitch pick because of the damage boost

[undone lynx]

Relatable

[orchid spruce]

i'm your fellow mio combat glazer

i clearly know ball

[sharp iron]

Ngl I expected coral tower to be harder than this it was fun tho

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/consul-n-moebius-n-n-xenoblade-xenoblade-xenoblade-3-gif-15266321400054972122

[lavish apex]

still not super convincing

[exotic dome]

yeah this seems not that fun. best parry bosses are secsen and karmelita i think

[light swan]

you also glaze nine sols combat

[undone lynx]

It still was kinda hard

[sharp iron]

nah

[frosty kelp]

and phantom

[rich pagoda]

That's why I'm like this
I like letting the enemy have their turn

[barren girder]

I despise ||trobbio 2||

[old compass]

hey guys I'm gonna go fight last judge in steel soul mode

[lavish apex]

now
if they kept the extra silk
THEN we're talking

[sharp iron]

Go hunter and spam charged attack vs mobs

[frosty kelp]

also the short dash attack seems impossible unless you're using wanderer