#sk-discussion

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frosty kelp
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random but lore accurate imsoblind_:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wLdTK6rFVw

We do a bit of trolling :)

This only took like an hour lmao. I expected it to be a lot worse. I'll do blinded Promise Eigong eventually.

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silk panther
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Wait no I asked you if you were gonna play it or something and you said something like not being interested in the genre currently or something? I forgot

exotic dome
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poptlc won't go on sale šŸ’”

kind tide
sharp slate
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Wish we had a little more cogwork core tbh, as much as I hate hunter pogo on those gears it was fun

toxic vigil
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White palace > all sk platforming.
But sk was also good

quartz cave
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Mio fans vs criticism tbh
right now im saying that the combat just being a three hit combo and pretty much nothing else couldve been done so much better by even simply tweaking a few things

lavish apex
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difficult idk frequent yeah

vale whale
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shouldnt have used ai

lavish apex
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mount fay is kinda tough on a first run but that's it

kind tide
quartz cave
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Because at the beginning there is truly nothing to worth with it

frosty kelp
ancient mortar
exotic dome
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sk needs more difficult platforming

kind tide
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We do not care kek

umbral ether
kind tide
quartz cave
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At the very least hk had pogoing that added a lot to combat

sharp slate
# toxic vigil Clawline

I refuse to acknowledge clawlines existence /J

Its actually still fun with clawline for any% speedrun. But yea clawline hurts platforming alot

umbral ether
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it is a waste of time to argue with them

frosty kelp
ancient mortar
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Silksongs combat is way less interesting without clawline imo

quartz cave
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Thats why i say it feels lackluster, cause theres really only one thing to use and that is mash x

rich pagoda
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Sands of Karak can be tough but I kinda breezed through it while my friend watched after dying twice doing the platforming just before me
Tbf
I have a lot more experience with precision platformers than he does atp

lavish apex
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i think mio has better platforming than both even though i don't enjoy some of the general movement mechanics all that much

ancient mortar
light swan
toxic vigil
quartz cave
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I think mios ice mechanics and momentum are rad as hell imo

umbral ether
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i hate the flea minigames so much

silk panther
lavish apex
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although i do think it doesn't gel all that well with its super limited health system

umbral ether
lavish apex
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that's probably the closest thing to a flaw i think mio has

light swan
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like i guess the existence of hunter pogo invalidates everytbing

toxic vigil
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I don't even like metroidvanias, silksong is just peak

silk panther
light swan
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so despite mio combat being way more dynamic airborne and fun it still stinks

silk panther
ancient mortar
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Why is this mio debate getting so heated, it feels like everyone's at each other's throats over subjective taste.

silk panther
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Why is Mio being debated

light swan
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apparently having 3 attacks is more repetitive than one i guess

frosty kelp
sharp slate
light swan
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i’ve been getting ragebaited for an hour

quartz cave
light swan
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these takes are conpletely incomprehensible

silk panther
# vale whale ai

I mean I’m also mad at any game using ai but if it’s not like disrupting my overall game experience I wouldn’t like blame the game for it especially not attack the devs

quartz cave
umbral ether
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i should go sleep

quartz cave
silk panther
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Like it’s respectful why you would be mad at that but it’s not like that serious of an issue with what they used it for

light swan
toxic vigil
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I like hunter pogo but sometimes i just get hit while using it

light swan
rich pagoda
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Blasphemous is not okay
Hell nah. I like the art but the gameplay and combat is not something I can call good.

I think HK has flaws too. Its combat feels more like an advanced platforming challenge than a proper boss fight.
SK kinda fixes this but also makes it too easy to out maneuver said cool bosses and it stops mattering that they're cool

sharp slate
royal summit
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IM IN ACT THREE

light swan
royal summit
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LETS GOOO

umbral ether
light swan
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in fact i’d prefer if you were saying this just to make me mad because this seriously makes me sad

toxic vigil
quartz cave
sharp slate
umbral ether
royal summit
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yeyeyeyeyey

sharp slate
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Alot of fun bosses in act 3

ancient mortar
light swan
royal summit
quartz cave
royal summit
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What do u mean

umbral ether
silk panther
light swan
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but not to mention i’ve been hearing lots of complaints about my favorite bosses and nubbie is a d1 hater it genuinely feels like im alone in liking this game

quartz cave
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But thats not the point

rich pagoda
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I don't really believe in there being a perfect metroidvania
HK and SK are good. They have issues.
Blasphemous is also not good. But that's based on my opinion of the games lol

It's kinda subjective

quartz cave
lavish apex
quartz cave
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Everyone has different taste in stuff

toxic vigil
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Can we be sk chat again

sharp slate
light swan
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it sucks when i am literally the only person who likes something and no one understands

umbral ether
quartz cave
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I personally dont love mios combat because to me just standing in the ground or in the air spamming the same attack is not that fun to me

frosty kelp
quartz cave
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But i can see how theres good in every game for people

toxic vigil
silk panther
wind mulch
sharp slate
light swan
toxic vigil
rich pagoda
sharp slate
umbral ether
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i really should not give a shit about critism towards e33 because i played it and i found it fun that is all that matters to me

frosty kelp
# toxic vigil Spam slop

but you just said overdosing is the only way to make architect viable and it's also kinda spam slop

onyx wigeon
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Guys as a question when does the Update come out

vale whale
light swan
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feels like either im stupid in being the only person who likes something or everyone else hasnt played the game like i have

rich pagoda
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I'm still open to trying Mio
Because I think games should have a fair chance

ancient mortar
quartz cave
sharp slate
kind tide
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😭 why is youtube hitting me with the 17 view jump scare demon right after im in this discord bro 😭 šŸ„€

onyx wigeon
light swan
sudden ice
frosty kelp
# vale whale

nah maelle carries the team and has a sister and also you can beat e33 without parrying or dodging or jumping 😭

light swan
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all of these people have played the game and think it’s okay

teal ridge
quartz cave
wind mulch
teal ridge
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I think im not capable of using arthitects crest

umbral ether
# frosty kelp nah maelle carries the team and has a sister and also you can beat e33 without p...

Beating Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 without dodging or parrying on expert difficulty.

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wind mulch
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if u use instagram ur contributing to a very evil company

ancient mortar
umbral ether
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thumbnail has spoilers techinally

frosty kelp
sharp slate
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Tbf there is probably a whole discord server that agrees on your MIO take illusion

light swan
frosty kelp
wind mulch
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MIO and e33 fans feeling 1% of the pain of the average Destiny 2 fan

sharp slate
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Not surprisingly alot of people like silksong more in the silksong server

frosty kelp
light swan
light swan
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i have 0 problem with people liking siljsong more

sharp slate
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Let me reread alot of text

rich pagoda
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I'm notorious for saying that I do not think Sonic 06 is a bad game*

It needed more time in the oven but a lot of love and effort still went into it to push the boundaries of what was technologically possible at the time.
Why do I say that
I tried it
Never gonna say anything about a game I haven't actually played myself

ancient mortar
quartz cave
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We literally dont even talk about silksong

light swan
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y’all act like i can’t stand any criticism againsr mio

graceful oyster
sharp slate
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Sorry too much shit going on on mobile so much text

lavish apex
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it was an admittedly sort of extreme example

silk panther
rich pagoda
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And I'm sure everyone is ready to disagree with me on Sonic 06 but hey
If you want to argue
Go play it

lavish apex
frosty kelp
quartz cave
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I didnt even know there was a sonic 06

silk panther
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Like oh you don’t like the game used ai for 00.6% of the development well that’s your opinion

sharp slate
light swan
orchid spruce
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mio combat is peak

light swan
umbral ether
frosty kelp
umbral ether
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why did i see a server link for a split second

graceful oyster
rich pagoda
lavish apex
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are you excluding shairpin in that count? because i'm not

light swan
ancient mortar
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Which boss

graceful oyster
frosty kelp
real hearth
quartz cave
real hearth
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most normalized thing in all of gaming

cyan geyser
frosty kelp
light swan
vale whale
ancient mortar
real hearth
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i’m similar

graceful oyster
lavish apex
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outer wilds has flaw

real hearth
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when you like something the flaws show more

orchid spruce
wind mulch
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outer wilds is philosophyslop

quartz cave
light swan
lavish apex
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multiflaw even

sharp slate
exotic dome
frosty kelp
graceful oyster
teal ridge
quartz cave
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A real outwer wilds fan wouldnt have even said the name, only "PLAY IT DONT LOOK UP ANYTHING"

light swan
orchid spruce
lavish apex
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just really good

quartz cave
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Those outer wilds fan pissed me off do much

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I kinda did look up the ending to spite them

real hearth
ancient mortar
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Also I think generally it's a good strategy in game discussions to understand that everyone has differing taste and nobody can be objectively right, I don't really care when people criticize my favorite games because it's all a matter of taste. Y'all are welcome to rip into everhood btw I'm honestly interested to see critique of it.

orchid spruce
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i have gained newfound motivation to trash silksong even more

graceful oyster
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Objectively YOMI is peak

ancient mortar
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I'll give my two cents of course in response but I do like hearing it

lavish apex
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you just want more people to play it i see your game

orchid spruce
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it's secretly because i love it

frosty kelp
quartz cave
real hearth
light swan
wind mulch
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i think thats considered sacrilege

silk panther
frosty kelp
rich pagoda
# quartz cave If sonic 06 was so bad then why didnt sega DIE and stop making c Wait they kind...

Yea they did kinda die yeah
Well the lore goes deeper than that
Sega wasn't really a game making company originally iIrc. They are and were a gambling machine company with Sonic as a logo and uh, a very dedicated game dev team amongst them. The games were sort of a front to hide the gambling. Don't worry about it.

So they weren't really interested in the arts of the sonic game franchise especially as it went into 3D. They wanted it to make them money and fast. So they didn't give the sonic team a lot of time to work on their projects and it shows

light swan
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again, it feels like either im stupid or we didn’t play the same game

vale whale
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@light swan let me fix your problems stop playing mio

real hearth
exotic dome
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im 2 hours into outer wilds and i have no idea what im doing rn

quartz cave
light swan
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at some point it gets to be too much

quartz cave
real hearth
graceful oyster
quartz cave
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Comeon baby give me 3000 rings come on come on triple emeralds

light swan
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like it’s fine if there’s at least 1 person who agrees with me and can participate in these convos

rich pagoda
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So generally speaking the sonic team routinely kept being given a shit hand of cards

graceful oyster
light swan
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i feel like i dont even get acknowledged when i talk about it i just get shut down

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or a different problem comes up

real hearth
orchid spruce
rich pagoda
real hearth
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the convo is a bit all over the place

ancient mortar
real hearth
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gotcha

light swan
real hearth
umbral ether
wind mulch
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one achieves enlightenment when they realise their favourite game can just be bad

graceful oyster
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There's a hair on my steak, who cooked this???

orchid spruce
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i'm at grime final boss and this boss isn't a parry boss so grime is actually the worst game ever, actually

quartz cave
ancient mortar
graceful oyster
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Oh wait I did

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Mark, look, I made a steak

ancient mortar
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And I've said I think mios moveset and mechanics are really good.

quartz cave
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-# ok that one was bait

silk panther
real hearth
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in mio there’s just so much shit in the bg and the actual play area is so small u can barely see ur character

light swan
real hearth
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at least for me

lavish apex
quartz cave
lavish apex
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not even on the pattern i mentioned

orchid spruce
hybrid flare
ancient mortar
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I don't think anyone will love everhoods combat as much as I do.

silk panther
ancient mortar
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And that's okay

potent vessel
real hearth
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it’s probably an eyesight thing for me

rich pagoda
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No no y'all don't understand
The BEST game of all time none of you are willing to play because it has an intimidating aura is
Endless Ocean Blue World
You're all cowards who won't partake in a fine aged wine

real hearth
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my eyesight isn’t the greatest

wind mulch
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the best game of all time is Halo 2 this is a known fact

graceful oyster
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It's actually Portal 2

real hearth
quartz cave
ancient mortar
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But yeah most of my criticisms of speeper are because I think the boss could be my favorite mv boss fight and the issues I have are the only thing that pushes him out of my top 3

lavish apex
light swan
wind mulch
graceful oyster
umbral ether
rich pagoda
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It's the best game
It has amazing graphics
It has a story
It has sharks
It has spooky folklore legends
It has dolphins
It has amazing gameplay
And no combat to be terrible

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Go play Endless Ocean Blue World
Best game

ancient mortar
quartz cave
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Chat i am so excited for the new avatar legends game

orchid spruce
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what's the point of giving me a parry, telling me it's the most important thing ever and NOT have parriable attacks in the final boss

wind mulch
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well thats halo 3 but

real hearth
silk panther
orchid spruce
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i am going to cook grime

graceful oyster
wind mulch
rich pagoda
silk panther
graceful oyster
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Arbiter is awesome

real hearth
silk panther
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Omg destiny aaaaah

real hearth
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my childhood game ā¤ļø

wind mulch
orchid spruce
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thanks guys, i appreciate the love

silk panther
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I’m gonna start foaming at the mouth

wind mulch
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the arbiter is too goated

umbral ether
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i played warframe instead of destiny

ancient mortar
light swan
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y’all have made me feel a bit better

orchid spruce
ancient mortar
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I didn't like warframe

lavish apex
graceful oyster
ancient mortar
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Can I get the ragebait award for not liking warframe

wind mulch
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being a Destiny fan is sort of like being in an abusive relationship

silk panther
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Like wtf

quartz cave
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Im just gonna go back to playing sons i forgot i literally cannot mention anything that isnt super mainstream or mio

real hearth
umbral ether
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i like warframe

sharp slate
ancient mortar
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I think I just can't do mmos

rich pagoda
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My fave game is still Endless Ocean Blue World. My second favourite is Okami. The pillars of my childhood besides Sonic Adventure 2 and many of the Zelda titles.

silk panther
wind mulch
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ive got like 1100

light swan
real hearth
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i have way too many hours

ancient mortar
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I spent too many hours playing the most dog shit mmos ever to like mmos now

silk panther
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Ofc I quit long time ago

umbral ether
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oh yeah i guess warframe is a mmo

ancient mortar
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Anyone here remember realm of the mad god

umbral ether
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vaguely

ancient mortar
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That shit was ass

orchid spruce
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isn't mio mainstream

graceful oyster
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Mixed martial orts

ancient mortar
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I played so much if it

sharp slate
rich pagoda
light swan
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also i just rewatched some of my hitlesses

toxic vigil
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Sigh i haven't played any of these games 😭 idk what you guys are talking about

umbral ether
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did anyone else play maplestory

ancient mortar
graceful oyster
rich pagoda
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I spent too many hours on that trash

real hearth
# wind mulch thats so cool

it’s a lot of fun, i help the main lowman raiding discord for d2 actually look nice and shiny and its awesome knightyes

orchid spruce
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how could someone not know about the best metroidvania ever made

potent vessel
orchid spruce
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blasphemy

lavish apex
umbral ether
exotic dome
ancient mortar
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I'm never recovering from this

lavish apex
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all this should be contextualized with the knowledge that I DO LOVE THIS BOSS

real hearth
potent vessel
lavish apex
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and MIO COMBAT IS FUN

rich pagoda
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I'm glad I'm alone with my stupid Toram Online gameplay

umbral ether
real hearth
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i like mio combat a ton too

frosty kelp
sharp slate
ancient mortar
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As I've said before I think mios is the second best mv I've played.

exotic dome
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whats the first?

rich pagoda
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Because less people playing that game is good

light swan
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my fun strat gets a bop+slingshot+upslash > shairpin > bop+3hitcombo > slingshot+bop+3hitcombo > shairpin > bop+3hit combo

thats 12 hits

solemn marten
lavish apex
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and i feel like people liking tc combat more shouldn't be that big of a deal

umbral ether
ancient mortar
graceful oyster
umbral ether
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i currently main dante

frosty kelp
real hearth
civic island
potent vessel
ancient mortar
light swan
light swan
umbral ether
exotic dome
ancient mortar
exotic dome
civic island
real hearth
# solemn marten how is the game overall

i enjoyed it, i haven’t finished it but the exploration and stuff is super cool. the levels have a lot of linearity to them but they fill the space vertically quite well

potent vessel
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should i play mio šŸ¤”

light swan
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for all i know in a parallel universe i like witch crest more and that’s perfectly valid

exotic dome
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top 2 is hk, 3/4 is nine sols/mio

real hearth
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combat is great, bosses so far (i’m prob around 50% through) aren’t that good but they’re cool

ancient mortar
hybrid flare
sharp slate
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If I had to do my metroidvania ranking... skong > mio = nine sols = hk > ori 2

frosty kelp
graceful oyster
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I can't shave freakin' 1.8 seconds off my F&N time to save my life

graceful oyster
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1.8

frosty kelp
civic island
light swan
civic island
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Def more than sk

rich pagoda
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I prefer SK over HK actually
I feel like SK is more polished and it shows, and that really makes it a lot more fun on top of having so many more combat style options and that being much more fun

lavish apex
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i still really want to play nine sols. looking forward slightly less after i got untagged spoiled on something that seems like a big plot beat but it's fiiiiiine

frosty kelp
hybrid flare
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Mine would be Skong > Hk > Mio > Ns > Blas 1 > Blas 2

light swan
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is love is war a film

potent vessel
sharp slate
lavish apex
umbral ether
frosty kelp
lavish apex
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a couple days ago

graceful oyster
sharp slate
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Ender lilies is on the to play list as well

ancient mortar
graceful oyster
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What was it?

umbral ether
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also i like dorohedoro more then solo leveling currently

civic island
civic island
exotic dome
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the amount of sols is in fact 9

rich pagoda
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I will spoil Endless Ocean Blue World for you all

There's an ocean in it.

lavish apex
real hearth
umbral ether
frosty kelp
civic island
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i havent started it yet i like the concept tho

silk panther
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Guys witch crest is actually the worst crest in the game I hate it did a full play through with it obviously banned all the tools that made it good and yeah it sucks worst crest in the game will never play it again

light swan
sharp slate
real hearth
umbral ether
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a shame the ed hasn't seemed to change yet

frosty kelp
graceful oyster
real hearth
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i don’t watch tv

frosty kelp
silk panther
ancient mortar
civic island
lavish apex
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what

rich pagoda
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Man it'd be devastating to know that there's ocean in Endless Ocean Blue World

umbral ether
rich pagoda
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I'm sorry. Very critical information

frosty kelp
exotic dome
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yea that happens in the 2nd second

real hearth
frosty kelp
toxic vigil
lavish apex
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that's crazy

silk panther
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It’s terrible like actually worst crest

civic island
silk panther
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In the game reaper is better than it

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Pogo is so bad

rich pagoda
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In the first game there's no ocean btw
There's only a boat
That's why it's not Blue World

frosty kelp
# silk panther Just so happened to ban that

ban everything for witch except for literally the most important things like sawtooth circlet claw mirrors multibinder and warding bell cus that's literally part of the crest

ancient mortar
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The worst crest is actually the France crest

real hearth
toxic vigil
real hearth
civic island
frosty kelp
civic island
frosty kelp
umbral ether
ancient mortar
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I see so many animes being discussed daily and I've watched almost none of them, I should probably watch more.

civic island
real hearth
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the only thing i’ve seen abt solo leveling is people hating on the stor
y

silk panther
sharp slate
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Maybe witch crested needs to be renamed sawtooth circlet crest

lavish apex
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i know i'm pretty singularly alone in my preference for hk1 combat but i don't think that will ever change

real hearth
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i love larping about shit i know nothing about

hybrid flare
silk panther
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HOW DARE YOU

light swan
atomic bluff
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guys what car do you all drive?

umbral ether
frosty kelp
potent vessel
ancient mortar
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I think I've watched 2 anime that I've actually liked so far

civic island
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I really like witch crest

silk panther
ancient mortar
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Maybe 3 I can't remember

frosty kelp
silk panther
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He banned circlet LMAO

lavish apex
rich pagoda
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But you should totally play Endless Ocean Blue World
It's the latest release that is an acceptable video game to play

Go boop Thanatos on the snoot and take an underwater selfie with a giant shark c:

civic island
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The attacks are super nice

silk panther
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LIKE WHAT??

frosty kelp
light swan
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@frosty kelp it’s ok it’s ok

real hearth
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i give silksong the combat more due to the variance in gameplay styles

toxic vigil
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I think banning red tools is fair but banning blue and yellow is stupid

sharp slate
lavish apex
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also kind of charms but that's not entirely a combat mechanic

real hearth
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hk has some variance but more surface level

ancient mortar
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Not insurmountable, even when I was using it for nohits

frosty kelp
toxic vigil
sharp slate
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Only thing I hate about hk combat is turnarounds fuck their existence

light swan
silk panther
lavish apex
ancient mortar
frosty kelp
toxic vigil
real hearth
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i love both combat styles but i ultimately prefer silksong’s execution

silk panther
rich pagoda
toxic vigil
ancient mortar
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I wish I could have 3 spells on hunters crest

toxic vigil
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like using egg of flealia against seth or stuff like that

light swan
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this is why we play the game that creates entire playstyles from it’s customization

silk panther
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Fun fact I actually love witch crest favorite crest in the game for me

rich pagoda
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I have the sharpest turnarounds ever

orchid spruce
frosty kelp
civic island
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Cya šŸ‘‹šŸæ

lavish apex
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OH you mean the cooldown speed thing

real hearth
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you also can’t use the best attack set in the game being reaper crest in base hollow knight

ancient mortar
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I liked HK charms because they had more whimsy but they were poorly balanced

sharp slate
lavish apex
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that speedrunners do

real hearth
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which also is a major factor

orchid spruce
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yues

sharp slate
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Yea

lavish apex
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i've never used those lol

frosty kelp
# silk panther Yeah

my only complaint is it's garbage for parrying but then again it's supposed to a spogo and nuke crest so needle combat is kinda stupid

orchid spruce
light swan
sharp slate
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I used to speedrun, that's why I hate them, I refused to use them because I thought they were stupid lol

ancient mortar
real hearth
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how i miss my boy

lavish apex
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i don't think blue tools are better balanced in an enjoyable way

silk panther
lavish apex
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mio's mods are what i would call a take on the charm system that's more effectively balanced

ancient mortar
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Mios mods are balanced in that every build is overpowered

rich pagoda
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I have a silly trick for NKG in HK where I stutter tap an arrow key direction when he does his flame pillars attack to stutter step towards him as the flames stack on top of one another

lavish apex
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a lot of tools in silksong feel like mid gimmicks or have overly stringent conditions

rough anvil
ancient mortar
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Which is a good thing I'd say largely, build variety is nice in a meta

real hearth
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i will say one thing i really like about mio is i had to think more about what setup i wanted to use for certain parts of the game

frosty kelp
real hearth
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i never did that in either hollow knight

exotic dome
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some blue tools have a shitty downside and that makes them worse

hybrid flare
sharp slate
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Im curious on the opinion of charms vs tools after a godhome releases for skong because opinions will change after a meta is defined

rough anvil
lavish apex
real hearth
light swan
hybrid flare
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Yeah but the boss is well executed and has 2 pages of mixups

stable mica
ancient mortar
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Does anyone have that gif of lost lace just completely failing to hit hornet despite going right through her

stable mica
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i pretty sure architect is worst

lavish apex
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and also like
yeah
hk has some stupidly strong offensive charm

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but there are other ones that are also really strong

hybrid flare
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Red tools are broken but limited in usage while blue tools are overall all pretty usable

toxic vigil
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quickslash is insane

ancient mortar
frosty kelp
silk panther
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I like parry with it

lavish spear
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strange request but does anyone have any niche silksong youtubers i could watch :') i've watched all of Skurry's videos basically and loved the guy Sample but he only made one video. any reqs?

exotic dome
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strength is just mandatory for godhome

sharp slate
frosty kelp
ancient mortar
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To such an extent that you are handicapping yourself if you use anything but 1 build.

rich pagoda
lavish apex
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which is true but i think even completely independently of those there are STILL a bigger portion of them that feel worth using than tools

light swan
hybrid flare
silk panther
ancient mortar
sharp slate
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When godhome for silksong comes out its gonna be volt filament, sawtooth and long claw probably

silk panther
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I thought you meant

lavish apex
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i banned those 3 charms on my most recent playthrough and still felt a big boost from the others

odd marsh
# light swan

why do you have a clip for every diffrent topic 😭

lavish apex
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ntm strength has a pretty big downside for new players

graceful oyster
sharp slate
real hearth
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honestly in hk/sk i only use charms/tools that i think are fun and it makes the game way more enjoyable

frosty kelp
# light swan

those last 2 parries are insane but the first 2 I don't think you were in danger

lavish apex
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you also get actually good ones way earlier in hk

ancient mortar
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The radiant setup will be sawtooth, volt, and snitch pick I think, on hunters

real hearth
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i will never equip shaman stone

potent vessel
lavish spear
sharp slate
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Shaman is the real problem for hk pre godhome

silk panther
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Tuu sowl

frosty kelp
lavish apex
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like soul catcher is a banger

odd marsh
sharp slate
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Hk has alot of good charms

real hearth
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i hate it

ancient mortar
rough anvil
rich pagoda
toxic vigil
lavish apex
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the first genuinely obviously good blue tool you get is band

odd marsh
lavish apex
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like, 1/3rd of the way through act 2

sharp slate
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Soul catch, twister, MOP, NMG, Heart, quick focus

real hearth
ancient mortar
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The cross stitch abuse for radhog will be wild

exotic dome
hybrid flare
lavish apex
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hk can give you good shit earlier because of notches

stable mica
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ye witch is worse

graceful oyster
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If you're not being aggressive with qs you don't need to be using qs

lavish apex
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and notches are also a great system

hybrid flare
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Warding bell, sting shard, magma bell

frosty kelp
sharp slate
orchid spruce
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I don't use QS

rich pagoda
lavish apex
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and consistently feel very good to obtain unlike memory lockets

real hearth
orchid spruce
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EGG?? EGG?? EGG??

stable mica
toxic vigil
frosty kelp
light swan
stable mica
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it feels very comparable in gameplay

lavish apex
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and make finding charms you might not want to use feel more satisfying with salubra's goals

frosty kelp
graceful oyster
lavish apex
sharp slate
hybrid flare
light swan
# light swan

i tjink witch is great at parrying it’s just a skissue

orchid spruce
toxic vigil
graceful oyster
light swan
real hearth
sharp slate
light swan
toxic vigil
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i did the mod for radhog and did all bosses with either 1 or 0 red tools

rich pagoda
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I mostly run Soul Eater, Shaman, Mark of Pride and Dreamwielder in HK

I could possibly drop Mark for Strength but it's a QoL I enjoy

real hearth
graceful oyster
toxic vigil
ancient mortar
lavish apex
sharp slate
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I got a really hot take reddit would crucify me for that Unnamed and I were discussing

silk panther
frosty kelp
ancient mortar
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Shakra is the clawline boss

orchid spruce
silk panther
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I thought the point was made 5 minutes ago

lavish apex
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you're still screwed out of your silk when it activates

rich pagoda
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And that not fully meta charm set is my go-to that I always reach for

light swan
graceful oyster
silk panther
orchid spruce
sharp slate
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Clawline in combat is overrated and is just used because players are badly positioned

light swan
real hearth
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hmmm

ancient mortar
frosty kelp
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I know this isn't how witch is meant to be played but insane stuff https://youtu.be/lrgoLoiFEO0?si=SssNLAnreEJORtTH he said he doesn't like spogos

Huge thanks to @Vysuals for letting me use his breakdown of the witch crest attack delay! Go check him out if you haven't already, his content is great! PLS LEAVE A LIKE, COMMENT OR SUB, I REALLY VALUE ENGAGEMENT :)

This gave me pain. 0.15 seconds might not sound like a lot but it definitely is when you go for near frame perfect parries lol. At...

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real hearth
silk panther
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Illu how good is flea brew combined with flintslate with witch

ancient mortar
light swan
real hearth
frosty kelp
sharp slate
toxic vigil
real hearth
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interesting

royal summit
exotic dome
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20% is still good no?

ancient mortar
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Flea brew is extra effective on the infinite flea brew crest oh God

silk panther
frosty kelp
real hearth
light swan
light swan
toxic vigil
# real hearth closest human made text to genai

All data was collected using debug mods and frame by frame analysis through video editing softwares and meticulous testing. No actual data mining, so I could be off 1 or 2 frames here and there, but these are pretty good estimates at the very least. Everything was recorded at 60fps and up to date with the latest patch as of December 2025 (Patch ...

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rich pagoda
light swan
light swan
royal summit
real hearth
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ok it looks a bit better there

rich pagoda
real hearth
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that ss did it dirty

silk panther
toxic vigil
sharp slate
lavish apex
frosty kelp
# royal summit The what

before getting witch crest and curing it you are forced to use the cursed crest which is witch crest with no tools

royal summit
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Ohhh

toxic vigil
silk panther
royal summit
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Mb i rember now

orchid spruce
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I don't wanna fight Grime final boss, this thing stinks

ancient mortar
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One mechanic I kinda wish silksong had is counter damage, dealing increased damage when hitting an enemy during their attacking frames

lavish apex
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something like quick focus will have way more value than shaman to a lower skilled player

light swan
ancient mortar
exotic dome
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spogo is so peak

sharp slate
rich pagoda
ancient mortar
sharp slate
frosty kelp
frosty kelp
ancient mortar
light swan
exotic dome
light swan
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great showcase of witch’s unique properties in its pogo

ancient mortar
sharp slate
silk panther
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Man I love having so much blue slots

frosty kelp
exotic dome
silk panther
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This is amazing witch crest is great

rich pagoda
lavish apex
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i think quick slash there's like no defense for that shit is just broken but to be fair it's a kind of deeply nested lategame secret

silk panther
toxic vigil
ancient mortar
light swan
orchid spruce
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clip wall

light swan
frosty kelp
sharp slate
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I need to sleep now 4am, I should be asleep lmfao peace peeps

lavish apex
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strength prohibits its use outside of dreams until you're good enough at the game to avoid dying otherwise, until you upgrade it, which is only likely to happen really really late

exotic dome
toxic vigil
ancient mortar
toxic vigil
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or shaman or archi

frosty kelp
#

some crests that you dismissed like hunter can technically spogo but only if the enemy is tall and you're in close range and you're using some kind of clawline tech to optimise the close range combat but with hunter just slash and attack is faster for humans probably

rich pagoda
orchid spruce
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i'm not using strength in my 2nd playthrough because it's annoying to fix. shaman is better anyways.

lavish apex
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shaman is stupid but getting a lot out of it means you need to be good at using spells and it costs 3 notches which is a lot for most of the game

light swan
ancient mortar
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Shaman and qs are the worst offenders, especially as qs is better than strength

toxic vigil
exotic dome
light swan
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multibinder mirrors no injector is too slow anyway

rich pagoda
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Obviously the point of speedrunning isn't elegance
But I would like to see more elegant battles

lavish apex
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like i said there's not really a good defense of quickslash other than it not being easy to get early

frosty kelp
lavish apex
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BUT i think it's fun :)

toxic vigil
rich pagoda
exotic dome
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qs works well for hk i think

lavish apex
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like objectively broken and a big wrench in the balance of the system but i enjoy it a lot

ancient mortar
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Quickslash and shaman should do less or cost more

frosty kelp
ancient mortar
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Or have a downside

lavish apex
toxic vigil
exotic dome
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shaman is so easy to get in earlygame with shade skip

frosty kelp
lavish apex
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it's in the part of kingdom's edge that's locked behind dive

toxic vigil
exotic dome
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yeah quickslash is pretty mid-late game

lavish apex
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kingdom's edge, the area you need to have found city 2 or tram pass for

ancient mortar
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What if shaman stone had the barbed bracelet downside

orchid spruce
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i don't wanna fight this boss, i hate this boss

toxic vigil
lavish apex
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get that game design away from hk1

ancient mortar
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It would still be busted, but it would just be a must for radiant

light swan
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how do you guys feel about witch crest being the best crest for so many tools and options

ancient mortar
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Idk what the best crest is atp

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I like hunters the best because I vibe with ut

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And I like how it's balanced

exotic dome
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same

toxic vigil
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best crest is like
if you don't ban red tools: architect lol
if you do: shaman and hunter, depends on the boss

ancient mortar
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Also I like how brutally efficient hunters can be

exotic dome
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hunters crest made me like sk more than hk after using it in the second playthrough

lavish apex
rich pagoda
# light swan is this elegant

Gotta give it a 7/10
I want to see more calm confidence and ease. Kind of- treating the boss as a dance partner. I'm gonna be honest, still looking frantic and aggressively hounding the boss. It's clean but not what I mean.

ancient mortar
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Hunters mechanic is going to be broken in radiant tho

lavish apex
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the soul economy ones specifically

light swan
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witch crest carries silksong

ancient mortar
light swan
exotic dome
orchid spruce
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no one would discover those unintentional techs without you

light swan
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but when i do it for mio no one cares

light swan
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too complicated for y’all’s feeble brains

ancient mortar
silk panther
light swan
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no one can understand double turnaround bop kinetic thrust combos and how difficult they are…

orchid spruce
rich pagoda
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I can pull out my Rad PV footage as an example of my style but I don't really know how I'd upload it lol

In short, I kinda slow down my gameplay for style.

silk panther
light swan
silk panther
rich pagoda
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It's in a Google drive >.>

light swan
silk panther
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Lmao

ancient mortar
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I think silksong just has a more challenge runner heavy player base

orchid spruce
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most silksong players are casual players whose only metroidvanias are silksong and possibly also hollow knight

silk panther
ancient mortar
exotic dome
frosty kelp
orchid spruce
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the active silksong players tend to be sweats

rich pagoda
exotic dome
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also the parries in 1:38 is cool asf

rich pagoda
#

Cinematic and smooth is hard to achieve Imo

rich pagoda
ancient mortar
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Wait wait, I need to find my trobbio one, maybe that would satisfy

light swan
hybrid flare
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When will bosses ever have original movement transitions without teleporting

rich pagoda
hybrid flare
#

trobbio is lwk the worst culprit

light swan
#

ik im blitzing shit down but idc

rich pagoda
#

You do what you want lol
I have a particular taste and my taste is patience and control

graceful oyster
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I like having full control of the situation

lavish apex
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also i think dedicated spellspam builds with no strength or qs are really fun and still strong

frosty kelp
frosty kelp
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wait I know

#

the elegant speedrun Gwyn is looking for is a lv 0 ||eigong|| speedrun

rich pagoda
ancient mortar
light swan
exotic dome
silk panther
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Guys it’s 05:12 should I sleep

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Potentially should I get rest

frosty kelp
lavish apex
#

qs strength and shaman being as strong as they are in comparison to other charms is an issue but i don't think it's one that manifests that much in normal blind progression or one that ruins the charm system as a whole

light swan
silk panther
light swan
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can we talk about how elegant A&T are

ancient mortar
light swan
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one of the most cleanest dance fights out there

rich pagoda
# ancient mortar

Beautiful
I'm being kind of bombarded with stuff and I'm trying to give a fair watch to all lol

hybrid flare
exotic dome
orchid spruce
#

actually, the boss is pretty good

rich pagoda
lavish apex
#

hk1 is definitely not without its fair share of bad or niche equippables though

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like silksong

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heavy blow šŸ’€

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deep focus šŸ’€ šŸ’€

hybrid flare
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Usually the very niche equipment in skong is good..

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Like magma bell for example

light swan
# light swan can we talk about how elegant A&T are

MIO SPOILERS || https://youtu.be/QePjEBjPdwI?si=YarYmJg3Ws5l52Wc|| i play like shit but they definitely have the highest elegance capability

ok SO this is the first time ive ever made an edit lol

this was made for a contest in the MIO: Memories In Orbit unofficial discord server (it practically is official) so i learned to edit all for that lol.

the challenge was "Who can die in the most cinematic way to one of the hardest bosses in the game, Ancile and Targa!" this is actually th...

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team cherry cant do balancing

light swan
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if only they weren’t so late in the game

hybrid flare
lavish apex
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oh no that's not the target of that statement

light swan
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really fun to do with low abilities

light swan
lavish apex
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magma bell and wreath of purity are fine

lavish apex
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i'm talking about dogshit like memory crystal

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or wispfire lantern

frosty kelp
exotic dome
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wisp lantern is glowing womb 2

light swan
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yk what the most elegant thing is

lavish apex
#

glowing womb also sucks yeah

cold trellis
hybrid flare
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Wisp is glowing womb but it can be actually usable

frosty kelp
hybrid flare
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memory crystal does nothing yeah

rich pagoda
onyx wigeon
exotic dome
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except for memory crystal

frosty kelp
lavish apex
light swan
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needle parrying a windblade > dash attack the landing > cross stitch the cross slash > my cross stitch activates their parry > cross stitch their parry AGAIN > stagger

this has happened to me once on my second sentinel modded bossfight but not on camera

#

it’s like totk final boss

ancient mortar
light swan
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parrying their parry to my parry

frosty kelp
lavish apex
#

multibinder on its own is pretty butt also hot take

onyx wigeon
frosty kelp
light swan
onyx wigeon
frosty kelp
#

@light swan I think you might notice a theme is that I always try to cheese the game somehow :)))

lavish apex
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i know how many snitch pick glazers there are in chat but that will never not be a joke item to me

frosty kelp
onyx wigeon
rich pagoda
#

I love doing Sisters of Battle in HK Nail Only
It's kinda the training grounds for elegant combat if you will, Imo

Specifically nail only and I do usually do Rad SoB this way

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It makes you have to learn the ways

light swan
frosty kelp
# onyx wigeon Thats true

Recorded on 1.0.29315 patch.
On 1.0.30000 it is slightly trickier: "sucking in" attacks (the parry riposte and the spinning jump) have to be parried once from outside before you can go into them and keep parrying. In the video the parries of these attacks tend to be done from the inside from the very beginning: as long as they hit the Needle sw...

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lavish apex
exotic dome
ancient mortar
lavish apex
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so i don't really care about witch mechanics that much

frosty kelp
orchid spruce
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this final boss is pretty good

rich pagoda
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It's between SoB and NKG for who made me appreciate some smooth, calm, and confident combat moves

exotic dome
light swan
frosty kelp
# onyx wigeon damn this is nice

Yeah there's another one that's less satisfying but insanely more difficult https://youtu.be/3XkaAUMPU70?si=1_WRv34xTr6mhPFE

Oof, that took a while.
Just completing the challenge (the rules are not precise) was not that bad, but the easiest way to do it is to kill them before they do anything scary.
However, I wanted to showcase all the interesting attacks (that's why I linger on the 2nd phase and rush through others), and fishing for a pattern where they decide to g...

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sawtooth circlet is objectively very strong but it's also not something i'm interested in using ever

light swan
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this is why i tune into cursed crest

orchid spruce
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i like this rockslop more than speep i think

light swan
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im tired of people thinking witch is defined by bind or spogo

orchid spruce
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but the slug of grime kinda drags it down

frosty kelp
orchid spruce
#

i'll have to see

onyx wigeon
rich pagoda
# light swan so eleganto

She really wouldn't respect a bug's sacred elevator ride? S m h
Yea she deserves to be clowned on and blitzed down with impunity
Can't even duel honorably

orchid spruce
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it has rare parriable attacks that i have to actively seek out for to deal extra damage

#

you would like grime, illu if you can power through the initial slug movement

orchid spruce
#

it even has limited use tools, our beloved (no this sucks actually)

lavish apex
frosty kelp
lavish apex
#

i can buy better than a lot of other blue tools for sure

light swan
#

why do people think they know my tastes, no one likes what i like as much as i do

lavish apex
#

but like
good in a vacuum

#

no

ancient mortar
light swan
#

i only trust tammo

frosty kelp
#

My feeble attempts of all parry cogwork dancers are garbage but I can showcase some cool clips of parrying the crossing attack but it's mostly just guessing

rich pagoda
#

I like to respect enemy combatants I'm fighting against in HK and SK if they're clearly intelligent warriors
It becomes a duel and thus I am bound by honour to respect my opponent and beat them as fairly as possible

orchid spruce
#

you need to trust me too illu

light swan
orchid spruce
#

i'm your fellow mio combat glazer

#

i clearly know ball

sharp iron
#

Ngl I expected coral tower to be harder than this it was fun tho

exotic dome
light swan
#

you also glaze nine sols combat

undone lynx
sharp iron
#

nah

rich pagoda
barren girder
#

I despise ||trobbio 2||

old compass
#

hey guys I'm gonna go fight last judge in steel soul mode

lavish apex
#

now
if they kept the extra silk
THEN we're talking

sharp iron
frosty kelp