sk-discussion

[weary steppe]

and he's back

[bitter briar]

I want even talking to you

[weary steppe]

womp womp

[bitter briar]

Calling me a hypocrite btw

[weary steppe]

womp

[strange knot]

He says he wants to talk to you don’t be rude /j

[weary steppe]

lol

[cosmic nest]

ok so the black egg temple was constructed to replicate the eggs of which the siblings hatched from, which were voided after being cast into the abyss

The pale king made it with void because the idea was that the radiance would not be able to escape because the void is the counter to the radiance and the hollow knight is immune to the void

[hybrid flare]

likely the reason why

but the temple doesnt lash out at anything so thats something

[cosmic nest]

Also, your point about hornet is just wrong. If you do nothing, she passes out, and the fight resumes into sealed siblings. She also doesnt wake up untill you defeat the radiance, in which we see the void seeping out from the room

[hybrid flare]

i mean when you step on the floor there are runes so thats likely why

[weary steppe]

i actually got it just now that the black egg temple is a huge replica of the black eggs that are found in the abyss

never noticed it before

[cosmic nest]

ALSO ALSO this isnt cannon but its also likely how the knight summons the void in the radiance fight

[cosmic nest]

ive spent probably days of my life studying hkss lore.. a larper is the last word to describe me

[bitter briar]

I’m pretty sure the hollow knight just hits her away cause I just did it and we don’t see what happens to hornet until after radiance so I guess it could go either way, sorry for being so aggressive ig.

[earnest drift]

if the pale king is the only one who could build the black egg, then it makes sense why he did it inside of Hallownest

[cosmic nest]

no worries it’s completely understandable i get hostile too sometimes lol

[earnest drift]

because if he left Hallownest, the kingdom would have lost their intelligence

[cosmic nest]

thats true actually

[weary steppe]

i've never actually got some time to look deep into it but i really like the game's lore

[cosmic nest]

whenever u get the chance u 100% should

Or just ask me i know alot

just dont ask me pre silksong i had no literacy comprehension

silksong gave me free thought

[weary steppe]

my favorite part about HK is the way that higher beings are depicted

[cosmic nest]

they’re all so different

[weary steppe]

it's whole mitology is just too cool

[weary steppe]

lol

[cosmic nest]

like unn and the nightmare heart are both classified as higher beings

[weary steppe]

unn my goat

[cosmic nest]

Even though nkg could probably slaughter most of hallownest if he was realized physically

Wait this is sk discussion

[weary steppe]

i really wish we get a sea higher being in sea of sorrow

[quartz cave]

Chat hop on deadcells 2 electric boogaloo

[cosmic nest]

and i also realized i realky should call ss sk because um.. ss is not fun

hksk

[silk pumice]

?

[quartz cave]

Nazi stuff dont worry

[silk pumice]

ah

[cosmic nest]

ss is short for a group that was in ww2 on the bad side

[silk pumice]

didnt even consider that

[hybrid flare]

In sk we ENSLAVE the higher beings pharloom is the o'block of the hk universe

[quartz cave]

Anyway chat hop on deadcells 2

[weary steppe]

and then they fucking KILL everyone

[cosmic nest]

People use it as a dog whistle online by capitalizing it in words that end in two s’s sometimes so people might get the wrong idea if they dk what sk is

[cosmic nest]

The citadel turning their kingdom into a fucking loom for that silk za

[hybrid flare]

lmao

Weavers just doing shit and sealing away a god for the funzies

[weary steppe]

the distinction between "normal" higher beings and PALE higher beings is really interesting to me

[hybrid flare]

if there were 2 gods in pharloom they likely wouldnt respect spaces and just nuke eachother

[weary steppe]

like, the pale ones are the gods who are obsessed with creating societies and dominating civilizations

[hybrid flare]

Pale ones are related to soul

[cosmic nest]

hornet hates on gms but she is probably the strongest higher being in all of hksk besides shade lord

She was just sleepy

[hybrid flare]

shes not even a hb

[weary steppe]

gms actually insanely strong, isn't she?

[cosmic nest]

she is a pale higher being wdym lol

[weary steppe]

i just wish her bossfight was more difficult

[hybrid flare]

She's a pale being but not a hb, hb's children arent hbs

[hybrid flare]

This is like fighting someone after draining their blood for hundreds of years

[cosmic nest]

she is a hb she has the same urge for devotion that pk does

[hybrid flare]

Hb's children arent higher beings

[weary steppe]

she's saying that gms is a hb, not hornet

[hybrid flare]

Oh

[weary steppe]

you misinterpreted the message

[cosmic nest]

Yeah hornet is weird

[hybrid flare]

my bad

[cosmic nest]

No worries

[hybrid flare]

Hornet's 50/50 ass thing

[cosmic nest]

hornet is like a weird half hb snd also half pale being

actually id say 75% hb and pb because the weavers were basically demigods were they not

[hybrid flare]

They were weird messed up beings

They werent even biological children

You can call them demigods ig

[cosmic nest]

gms gave them her power so id assume they have some higher being biology

[hybrid flare]

But we dont know how hbs originate so they likely arent hbs

[cosmic nest]

sea of sorrow answer our questioz

[weary steppe]

the weavers also had that urge, cause of gms being a pale hb, so hornet was 100% prone to being a tyrant, just like everybody else in her family

[hybrid flare]

They can use soulsilk but they cant drain others souls naturally

[hybrid flare]

Like weaver queen hornet is likely a hb

[cosmic nest]

Its like having an addiction run in ur family

[cosmic nest]

most definetly she could probably go toe to toe with shade lord

[hybrid flare]

I think that the weavers having that urge comes mostly from their pharlid side

[weary steppe]

its like having an hereditary disease

[hybrid flare]

I dont think so, shade lord would annihilate everything in the verse

Because yk, gms didnt birth them biologically soo

[cosmic nest]

gms can resist the void though, even partially with her and hornets strength combined she might stand a chance

[hybrid flare]

Pk was actually semi decent and hornet was educated fairly well by herrah

[hybrid flare]

She could only resist the void being barely alive in a cocoon

not directly face it

[weary steppe]

these two were kind of the exception, i think

[cosmic nest]

true but also hornets cocoon seems to be extremely larger than gms

[hybrid flare]

Likely when hornet binds gms, gms' will would end up being part of her

[weary steppe]

i think "survive" is a better word than "resist" to this case

[cosmic nest]

iirc its more of a crest and not posession

[hybrid flare]

This is likely a byproduct of her binding

[cosmic nest]

yes this oopsie

[cosmic nest]

probably

[hybrid flare]

Powerful beings can mess up other's natures i think eva mentions this

when bound, this is kinda why eva warns hornet about it

[cosmic nest]

In ending 1 hornet doesnt get possesed by gms but she kind of loses control thats how i saw it

[hybrid flare]

We dont know what she does but likely what was left of gms became part of her

[cosmic nest]

The ending thats not implemented implies that gms could bind hornet if you lost

[cosmic nest]

I know it technically isnt canon but they wouldnt leave it in if they didnt want people seeing it

[hybrid flare]

Yeah, though in that case gms's nature could deal with hornet's

[cosmic nest]

Id say it has lore significance

[cosmic nest]

I agree

[weary steppe]

my interpretation of ending 1 is that she just accepts her higher being heritage and becomes one herself, because she already was in a kind of "transitory" state for ages, based on what the mask maker said.

[hybrid flare]

I mean the result from weaver queen and the cut ending likely would be similar

[hybrid flare]

Yeah she gives in her desires to take

[cosmic nest]

yeah its just who gets the majority of control

[hybrid flare]

Honestly im prone to believe that both of them would end up in gms dominating

Or defining a core part of what hornet would become

[cosmic nest]

This i agree w

i feel like a absrad gms version would be crazy

[weary steppe]

i think that in weaver queen, hornet actually subjugate gms and take over the power to dominate pharloom

[cosmic nest]

Because shes basically just radiance upscale

[weary steppe]

she's not, like

becoming one with gms

[hybrid flare]

This is likely the case though, as eva mentions

[cosmic nest]

no matter ur will no matter how little silk u have inside of you an awakened gms can puppet you which is horrifying

[hybrid flare]

Not one, but gms being a big part of hornet, hornet's nature not being able to contain gms

[hybrid flare]

gms pre-citadel

[cosmic nest]

even hornet can get puppeted just by widow

[hybrid flare]

Actually not widow, its still gms

[cosmic nest]

horrifying to think about and she isnt even bound by dreams like radiance

[hybrid flare]

Widow's just guiding the strings

[cosmic nest]

oh oops

[still osprey]

In Weaver Queen, Hornet binds GMS' nature, similar to how she binds the nature of other bugs in the form of crests

[hybrid flare]

And she likely can resist the haunting due to her having a strong will

[hybrid flare]

yes, eva mentions how stronger natures could interfere with one's core being

[hybrid flare]

If we ever get to fight that make her use her claws more

[weary steppe]

exactly, the crests doesn't change her essence, they just expand it

[cosmic nest]

not to mention btw gms doesnt need the silk insideof the pilgrims to puppet them, she has farsight built in thats why all the weave nests are bordering the kingdom

[agile wing]

TROBBBBBIOOOOO

[weary steppe]

she can choose what she wants to be

[hybrid flare]

She doesnt bind particularly strong willed bugs

[cosmic nest]

now that im thinking why the hell did gms bring the weavers back just to kill them? She didnt even bind most or any of them

[hybrid flare]

Loosely implied she did

[cosmic nest]

Revenge sure but then why not just send out people to kill them

[hybrid flare]

There are broken cages around the cradle

[hybrid flare]

Bind em back

[cosmic nest]

does this imply gms can bind people in her cocoon? Horrifying

[weary steppe]

she binds multiple weavers through the game

[hybrid flare]

Those are a weird case

They dont define a crest within her but a memory

[cosmic nest]

also wait why wouldnt she bind the weaver statues

[hybrid flare]

I guess, just pulls them up

[hybrid flare]

They're statues

[cosmic nest]

wait right duh

[hybrid flare]

And the weavers are willing for hornet to take them i think

[cosmic nest]

she cant go to them like she can bring the weavers to herself

[verbal trench]

if godhome comes out and the final boss is just absolute gms i'll be sad

[weary steppe]

there's nothing not-weird about hornet, it's not without reasoning that almost everyone in the game calls her weird

even the ones who have no idea of what she is

[hybrid flare]

I mean weaver binding

[cosmic nest]

i will be beyond overjoyed

Also i love how its implied gms and widow gossiped about the other weavers since she knows exactly what breed hornet is

[hybrid flare]

She binds whats left of them and their memories, probably adding to her own weaver nature

[verbal trench]

absgms would be cool to fight but it would also just be hollow knight again

[cosmic nest]

She would probably get a similar additional phaseor two where you fall down the cradle

cant wait for the pantheon lace 2 and phantom dual boss and then pinstress and seamstress boss

Or even 3 dancers.. hm..

[verbal trench]

i just hope they make an entirely new boss to be the final one

would be cool to see what they do

[cosmic nest]

Vespa boss has to be in one of the pantheons

theres literally a full sprite sheet for her in the files

[hybrid flare]

its cut content

[verbal trench]

i also hope they find a way to not just have it be normal godhome again

[weary steppe]

all i wanted was an 4th act where they were all in peace and the wishes were just rebuilding pharloom to it's glory

[cosmic nest]

Iirc sea of sorrow files were left in the game

[hybrid flare]

pharloom city building simulator

[cosmic nest]

I think it could be some sort of godhome thing where hornet uses the memory thing to go into a catalog of all her old fights including gauntlets and hk fightss

[weary steppe]

why can't i have my slice of life dlc, team cherry?

[cosmic nest]

cough cough thk fight and ghost fight

[hybrid flare]

I wish we could go back to old pharloom in some way... so many questions answered...

[weary steppe]

that's what i think it will be like too

[cosmic nest]

cant wait for city of steel dlc which gets turned into third game

[weary steppe]

i want the opportunity to fight the shade lord, or something close to it

[weary steppe]

sherma dlc that becomes a third game

[hybrid flare]

thats not happening, hornets getting railed

[narrow bramble]

I killed karmelita with architect's bullshit tools

Yesterday

[weary steppe]

actual sin

[cosmic nest]

hear me out pantheon of pharloom where after beating lost lace the arena goes black and the shade lord appears

[hybrid flare]

Smt like lost lace third phase would satisfy me

[cosmic nest]

gms and lost lace double battle

[hybrid flare]

wouldnt make sense

But smt like freefalling through the abyss would be neat

[weary steppe]

karmelita is just so perfect, how could you do such an atrocity to her?

[cosmic nest]

ur 100% right but neither does um godmaster

[narrow bramble]

And also craw father was not that hard

[hybrid flare]

with lace trying to get you

[hybrid flare]

Yeah wish they expanded on that

[weary steppe]

that's true, but he's still cool as fuck

[narrow bramble]

Oh shit my nitro ended

[cosmic nest]

godmaster ending is just hype moments and aura

[narrow bramble]

Craw father goated btw

[cosmic nest]

but its ok the game has its good endings we can have hype moments and aura

[weary steppe]

badass fucking crow judge

[hybrid flare]

yeah the issue comes when the hype moments n aura ending is canon

[weary steppe]

tragic

[hybrid flare]

which yk isnt confirmed to be but its an option

[weary steppe]

HK canon ending isn't the godhome one, is it?

[hybrid flare]

Its ambiguous on purpose

between dnm and etv

[weary steppe]

i always assumed the canon one was the "dream no more" one

and that's kind of what implied in the "sister of the void" ending, isn't it?

[cosmic nest]

Shade lord showing up in ending 3 isnr saying godhome is canon

[narrow bramble]

For me it can be that or dream no more ending

[hybrid flare]

both shade lord and dnm knight show up soo

[cosmic nest]

To me it either means hornet realizes all the siblings are what make up the shade lord OR that the voidheart lets the knight become the shade lord

[hybrid flare]

The flashes dont mean anything imo, it splits the timeline

[weary steppe]

but shade lord shows more or so like a reflection of all the vessels

[cosmic nest]

because godhome doesnt boost the bug’s power past its maximum

pure vessel most likely was what was before it was sealed same with radiance

[hybrid flare]

It needs the godseeker focus to exist i think

[weary steppe]

exactly

[hybrid flare]

so it's either one or the other

[cosmic nest]

I dont think so, since it existed before in the ancient civilizations iirc

[weary steppe]

it probably can't exist without the specific conditions, otherwise he's just a mass of void

[hybrid flare]

???

No it didnt

[weary steppe]

well, it did, but at the same time it didn't

[cosmic nest]

wasnt it worshipped? I thought thats how it got the title god of gods

[shut mantle]

Any tips for tormented trobbio?

[hybrid flare]

the void was worshipped before

[cosmic nest]

play calm and hit his weird plus bombs

[hybrid flare]

by the AC

[cosmic nest]

i know but how else did it get the title

[weary steppe]

not actually, iirc, he gets that title after killing the absolute radiance

[cosmic nest]

oh oops

[hybrid flare]

Because the godseeker finally attunes tk

[shut mantle]

I struggle the most w his stupid tornado attacks

[weary steppe]

who...?

[hybrid flare]

ancient civ

[weary steppe]

jump above it, and use the walls at your advantage

[cosmic nest]

still for hype moments and aura i choose to believe that the shade lord is just all the siblings combined into one and they just choose to stay separate in dream no more because they like being small

i kinda imagine that the godseeker kinda forces the shade lord to exist

[weary steppe]

oh, right

[narrow bramble]

Has now i reached lost verdania

[shut mantle]

Any tool recommendations? I’m using voltvessels rn

[cosmic nest]

lost verdania? I dont see any void though

[narrow bramble]

Can i actually get all verdania enemies info if i kill the clover dancers

[cosmic nest]

i tbink so but look it up just in case

[weary steppe]

i don't know how it's called in english, but the one that's a trap with a bunch of spikes

that activates by contact with the enemy

[weary steppe]

i think so

but i wouldn't risk it

[shut mantle]

Tacks? His tornado attacks remove those from the ground

[weary steppe]

google it, just to make sure

[narrow bramble]

I might gonna kill everyone in lost verdania

[weary steppe]

the other one

the one that's sold by the sister of forge (i think that's her name?)

[shut mantle]

Spikes on the ground is tacks atleast the ones I see rn

[shut mantle]

Those which stay in the air?

[weary steppe]

exactly

[shut mantle]

Forge daughter but yes

[weary steppe]

worth it

[normal bramble]

Such a pretty area with the most ANNOYING enemies ever

[weary steppe]

just take care with those round plants in the water

[cosmic nest]

I NEED ABSOLUTE FOURTH CHORUS

[shut mantle]

Oh sting shards

[cosmic nest]

fourth chorus and gms are my fav bosse if we dont get revamped versions im gonna cry

[weary steppe]

hes kind of a mass of void given form, isnt he?

[weary steppe]

yeah, those ones

with pollip pouch

[narrow bramble]

I wish i could get a mod where i can refight all bosses if i want

[weary steppe]

always use pollip pouch

[narrow bramble]

Eletric one also carried me on craw father to kill those annoying craws

[lucid trellis]

Forge Daughter, close enough

[narrow bramble]

I used silk swirl thingy for that

[fresh oracle]

why do snitchflies say this

[narrow bramble]

To steal*

[shut mantle]

I’m already using injector band long claw and quick sling

[weary steppe]

these are not their dialogues, these are the dead pilgrims speaking

[cosmic nest]

yes, its implied that its literally just all the siblings together which is why we dont see the siblings in absrad but we do in dnm despite the circumstances being almostthe same and why the siblings dissapear in sister of the void when the shade lord appears

[fresh oracle]

OHHHH

thought it was some hidden lore with the snitchflies i cant lie

[weary steppe]

pollip pouch instead of quick sling, trust me, it's worth it

[hybrid flare]

The form switch isnt realistic though

[hybrid flare]

pollip pouch is actually shit

[weary steppe]

in my interpretation, hes not only the siblings, but all the void given form, much like the gms with the silk

[cosmic nest]

i doubt it because its implied that the void is literally like a layer of the planet

[hybrid flare]

described as void given focus

[cosmic nest]

after some point its just void

[hybrid flare]

Its tk but seemingly with more control over the void

[cerulean sable]

make Craw Father mandatory to enter Lost Verdania

[cosmic nest]

Someone on tiktok said lace and hornets family tree overlaps are we SERIOUS!!!! sighs..

[weary steppe]

exactly, and i believe he's the personification of all of it

[cosmic nest]

This is valid

[weary steppe]

that's why he's just so much stronger than all other higher beings that we seem till this moment

[hybrid flare]

I wouldnt say so as the void now follows tk's will to an extent

[cosmic nest]

People will jump over hoops to say lacenet is bad i swear… tisk tisk tisk

[hybrid flare]

the void's raw nature is desctruction

[cosmic nest]

the knight is so unbelievably strong but everyone discredits it because its small

[shut mantle]

The tornadoes remove the sting shards aswell

[hybrid flare]

not so small in etv doe

[weary steppe]

they're kind of cousins...

[cosmic nest]

realistically id imagine the knight and the rest of the bugs in terms of real life meters are normal people sized

[weary steppe]

fuck

[cosmic nest]

they arent,
gms has no biological children
the weavers are her creation, not children and neither are lace or phantom

[spice cargo]

no isnt this all underground

[weary steppe]

i imagine the knight being kind of small, but the PK being medium sized for a bug

[cosmic nest]

well yeah but theres so many human shaped bugs and architecture id imagine them being people sized in a world with no people

Like if we were to cross universes id say the knight and frisk would be similar sized

Both little chubby babies

[weary steppe]

that's canon in my heart

[shut mantle]

I think voltvessels should be the best go here

[weary steppe]

maybe

[shut mantle]

Or cogflies

[weary steppe]

was my go to, but it kind of makes the game so easy it becomes boring sometimes

[still osprey]

Cogflies are boring

[fickle valley]

I’m doing a Silksong speedrun rn i just beated Widow and i’m at 1 hour and like 10 minutes into the run, is it still beatable under 5 hours?
(Keep in mind that i’m not a speedrunner i’m just making my route with a map)

[cosmic nest]

Probably

[still osprey]

Yes

[weary steppe]

looks like so

[still osprey]

The only really hard part of any% is The Forum

[weary steppe]

i just like summoning so much

[still osprey]

Make sure to get a couple masks for that and you'll be fine

[cosmic nest]

U only need cogwork dancers last judge high hals gauntlet vaults gauntlet lace 2 and gms

[weary steppe]

cogflies, pale nails

doesn't matter, as long as i'm summoning something

[still osprey]

Wispfire Lantern?

[weary steppe]

we don't talk about it

[cerulean sable]

00.0....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

[civic bolt]

Wait so is Blasted Steps or Mist the meta in any%

[weary steppe]

blasted steps

[still osprey]

Mist in old patches, Steps on current patch iirc

They're both around the same tbh

[weary steppe]

the mist actually take a lot more time to go through than just beating the shit out of the last judge

[still osprey]

Both routes to the citadel are very well balanced

[cosmic nest]

can we talk abt how chilling the cradle is? The music is haunting and the vibes are so perfect

[civic bolt]

Ohhh man I did the achievement with Phantom, didn't even know it was close with LJ

[round creek]

I used ||witch crest pogo to beat bell eater
The tiny bell beasts are too cute||

[still osprey]

Not really, in old patches at least

[fickle valley]

Really? Because i’m going into that route😭

[still osprey]

You can just mist juggle on old patches

[weary steppe]

they are, in fact, really cute

[weary steppe]

well, i think so

[cerulean sable]

oh sorry was cleaning my keybaord

board

[cosmic nest]

Are you just getting there for the first time? This channel has massive act 3 spoilers

[civic bolt]

Do you have a separete board for your keyboard

[cosmic nest]

Like how hornet and lace make out at the end of act 3 and gms 1v1s the radianxe in act 4

[civic bolt]

That's awesome

[cerulean sable]

i do not have a sepserate board for my key

[weary steppe]

sepserate keybaord

[round creek]

Yea i forgot spoiler text

[weary steppe]

boss name

[cerulean sable]

i am fucking sick of your judgemental bullshit
1v1 Warno, now, Black Forest, your banned Division of choice (I ban 35th Air Assaults) + preferred side

[cosmic nest]

1 think i dont like about sk is that theresno fullscreen boss cards

so lame

[cerulean sable]

i feel like its a case of "they dont wanna do it like HK again"

but then again, this might change in the DLC

[weary steppe]

really wanted gms to have one

[minor plank]

Sea of sorrow today

[weary steppe]

no thanks, im a pacifist

[cosmic nest]

||lost lace|| would have been so much better w a fullscreen title card

[cerulean sable]

yeah maybe it goes to black

[cosmic nest]

The screaming into the title card… sigh

Nkg was the best out of both games

The title card with the music hit so hard

[civic bolt]

Disagree, I think LL's title is just fine this way

Reminds me of PV with the arena

But I think GMS could have had one, yeah

Wow I use a lot of acronyms

[cosmic nest]

shamans crest should have had you need to bind downward onto the boss to heal imo

[cosmic nest]

Such is the way of a skonger

[civic bolt]

Hmm how you mean?

[cosmic nest]

imagine how u bind crests. U press bind to heal and u slam downward and if you hit the enemy u heal 4 masks and damage them

[civic bolt]

I see

Sounds cool actually

[cosmic nest]

witch crest better for aoe shaman u need more timing skill

So u get to heal four

[lucid trellis]

arc is also good for aoe

[cosmic nest]

whats arc

[civic bolt]

hitect

[lucid trellis]

architect

[cosmic nest]

Oh ew i hate architect

[lucid trellis]

the random bullshit go crest

[cosmic nest]

i HATE TOOLS

[thin tendon]

where do i find a flintbeetle in act 3

[cosmic nest]

I BUTT MY MASK AGAINST BOSSES AND IF I DONT WIN I TRY AGAIN

[cosmic nest]

Marrow

[thin tendon]

I checked there

i need one more

[weary steppe]

they aren't needed for the hunter's journal

[thin tendon]

oh

I’m still missing 2 entries tho

[untold dune]

dont u need to do the flintbeetle quest for a memory locket, that would be kinda fucked if they lock u out of that in act 3

[thin tendon]

I’ve done the quest though

I’m fairly sure-

[balmy wraith]

isnt it required for act 3 tho

[untold dune]

its a misconception that you need to do "all wishboard quests" smh

just 17 "quest points"

[balmy wraith]

ik you dont, but some are required

i think thats one of them

[untold dune]

was that one of them? i dont remember tbh

[pliant horizon]

lace does so much dmg what

[cosmic nest]

which one

[pliant horizon]

cradle

[lucid trellis]

(and fleatopia + shakra i think)

[untold dune]

and sherma

[cosmic nest]

Is this ur first time

[pliant horizon]

js died at my second attempt rn

[thin tendon]

you’re in for a treat my good sir

[lucid trellis]

and bell home key apparently

[cosmic nest]

u might wanna look out for spoilers

[untold dune]

act 3 requirements are far too steep imo

[cosmic nest]

this channel is not spoiler free

[untold dune]

makes replays so unfun

[pliant horizon]

ah

[balmy wraith]

its not required but if you get into act 3 the locket will just be there

[lucid trellis]

well, thing is, if someone is doing everything already....

[cosmic nest]

#sk-help has stuff spoiler tagged usually

[untold dune]

i dont always wanna do a hundo percent sometimes i just wanna get to act 3 quickly man

[lucid trellis]

plus i would argue trails end is going to be completely in normal gameplay

the fleas i get though

that part fucking sucks

[untold dune]

fr

[cosmic nest]

I think if you have 1 save with act 3 data you should be able to start silk and soul on another save by talking to caretaker

[untold dune]

thats not the point i know i can do save editor shenanigans

[lucid trellis]

But shakras quest is probably just going to be completed normally for most people, especially since it means she helps with the hell halls gauntlet

[cosmic nest]

no i mean like. The game should let you even though rn it doesnt

[untold dune]

ah right yeah i wish it did

[lucid trellis]

look, be happy it doesn't require you to do any courier quests

[untold dune]

i mean i guess?

[balmy wraith]

what do i do in my 100 file to extend my playtime

its not high enough

[untold dune]

all mementos

[balmy wraith]

forgot about mementos

[cosmic nest]

this sounds unnecessary mean or maybe im just tone deaf

[lucid trellis]

All artifacts

[lucid trellis]

it would be

[untold dune]

yeah all relics and complete materium too

then do all the courier quests at least once

[balmy wraith]

k

[hardy tangle]

and break every breakable object in the game

cut every single grass

[cosmic nest]

skurry.. is that you..?

[hardy tangle]

i wonder when they'll do that

[orchid spruce]

yoyoyo @graceful oyster how's the sols

[cosmic nest]

i love how hornet is just so well characterized

shes not exactly hostile but shes always like. Shes ready to kill

she loves fluffy things but would tear apart a fly limb by limb and leave it to bleed

[exotic cedar]

She's also homophobic

He hates gay men...

[cosmic nest]

This is tuye from fabulous beasts

[thin tendon]

I now have 234/235 journal entries and can’t seem to find the last one. If it’s true that flintbeetles don’t count for the achievement, I cannot find the last enemy

[cosmic nest]

it cancels out bc shes lesbia

[normal bramble]

Did you find the one room in blasted steps with enemies that only spawn for the needolin?

[thin tendon]

i did

wait a sec

if flintbeetles don’t count then what if I just go back to nuu now?

[lucid trellis]

what about the maggots

[exotic cedar]

Perfectly balanced...

Depends on what act you are in

[thin tendon]

let’s gooo I got the hunters memento

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 he DIES

Yeah also he drops a relic i believe

[sacred granite]

hi someone help me i suck at beating karmelita and idk whyy

[worn reef]

same

[sacred granite]

I get stuck on her second phaseeee

[worn reef]

shes my last heart

[still osprey]

Anything specific you're struggling with? And what crest and tooks are you using?

[worn reef]

verdania runback is annoying

[silk pumice]

which crest

what tools, which skill

[worn reef]

ah

[exotic cedar]

Even palestag is harder than clover dancers

[worn reef]

i opened the shortcut btw

[sacred granite]

I use wanderer's crest and no silk skill because silk skill often never get used (i think its obvious i was a nail build user in hollow knight)

[silk pumice]

i also did karmelita as base hornet

and lost lace, but karmelita is more relevant here

[still osprey]

Wanderer's short range can be quite detrimental against Karmelita, I'd recommend Hunter personally

Also, use Cross Stitch

[sacred granite]

Ok

[rotund gate]

Silksong

[silk pumice]

do you like any crests other than wanderer?

[sacred granite]

I prefer wanderer's mainly because it's much faster, and i use the tool that extends its range. I also don't use cross stitch for the specific reason of it's harder for me to use

[lucid trellis]

imagine using silk skills

[sacred granite]

ah

[lucid trellis]

so is cogflies

[silk pumice]

imagine using tools

[normal bramble]

Personally I used hunters with long claw as it really just matches her range and makes the fight alotttt easier

[silk pumice]

might want to try beast then

its also fairly fast, and has a better range

[orchid spruce]

dream bosses have expansive areas with checkpoints now you'll respawn at in-dream checkpoints and play elegy of the deep again to exit the dream

act 3 if it was good

[sacred granite]

me no likey savage beastfly so i have not beat it bc it sucks. Also i saw the pogo, no

[silk pumice]

pogo is easy

[lucid trellis]

imagine not being broke

[normal bramble]

Icl I also hate beast pogo

I just end up not pogoing much whenever I’m on beast

[sacred granite]

I do not like the pogo

[orchid spruce]

[normal bramble]

Albeit the bind is so fun

[orchid spruce]

no

[toxic vigil]

Hunter is shortest range

[sacred granite]

Also how the hell do you heal with witch's crest

[toxic vigil]

Hit with the roots

[sacred granite]

another reason it's going to remain unused

[silk pumice]

you just need to realise that the pogo only gives you iframes at the end

[rich haven]

With injector band that's how

[silk pumice]

so if theres anything between you and where it ends, you take the hit instead

[silk pumice]

it attacks when youre healing, each hit gives you health

fuck the blue tools

[toxic vigil]

Witch is pretty good

[sacred granite]

I don't use many blue tools

[rich haven]

However, witch crest + injector band + multi binder + claw mirrors = nuclear protocol

[lucid trellis]

i love blue tools

[rich haven]

Then you can pick between warding bell for safety or emergency bind for maximum damage

[sacred granite]

or red tools because 187 shell shards

[normal bramble]

? Why not

[sacred granite]

idfk

[lucid trellis]

thats the only nightmare part of being an architect main: grinding for rosaries

[rich haven]

They don't take anything, you just equip them

[normal bramble]

Sawtooth is like the best tool ever
Long claw is really good
Volt filament is broken
Uh theres others that don’t instantly come to mind but exist

[rich haven]

Blue tools I mean
Not like you're gonna get skyrimed

you're carrying too many tools to be able to walk

[sacred granite]

Don;t have saw tooth, or volt filament but would like to know where they are

[normal bramble]

Claw mirrors multi binder injector band on witch ❤️

[normal bramble]

Sawtooth is from 12th architect

Volt filament is in sands of karak

[sacred granite]

sounds like hell

[normal bramble]

Filament is rather easy to get

[lucid trellis]

Band, pouch, sling, magma bell, mask, wreath, light

[normal bramble]

Sawtooth costs what like uhhh 260 rosaries?

[normal bramble]

Pollip pouch sucks

[normal bramble]

The amount of extra damage it adds is so minor

And the poison doesn’t stack

[sacred granite]

oh i have like 14 rosary strings, would that be enough?

[lucid trellis]

band is good tho

[normal bramble]

It makes you think it’s good because of how good red tools are without it but it really doesn’t do anything

[keen solstice]

Pollip is the worst blue tool in the game

[lucid trellis]

i love band

[normal bramble]

Ya

[lucid trellis]

pin badge and lantern

[normal bramble]

It also needs craft metal or smth

[sacred granite]

k

[lucid trellis]

or egg

[keen solstice]

Both are far better lmao

[normal bramble]

Egg is WAY better

[keen solstice]

Wispfire deals 17 damage per hit, more than pollip would ever contribute

[normal bramble]

Egg + weave light on shaman is fun

[sacred granite]

i think i have that

[keen solstice]

Pin badge has a very noticeable effect on charge attacks

Egg is literally extremely good on shaman

Pollip has 0 use case

[normal bramble]

Pin badge on witch is pretty damn solid

[sacred granite]

i use pollip whenever i suffer on something thats on the floor, it does damage after the enemy gets hit

[terse lake]

tries widow with a pantheon mod
oh this is so easy
new playthrough with beginner gear
dies.
cross stitch my beloved where arth thou

[lucid trellis]

Which would be good if charge attacks where goid

[normal bramble]

Unfortunately witch despite having 4 blue slots still somehow needs every last one for its main builds

[normal bramble]

Witch charge attack is the 2nd highest dmg attack in the game if it hits every one

[keen solstice]

It deals 3 damage per tick, ticks twice, doesn't stack, if you hit them again with a tool you remove and reapply the effect

[still osprey]

They're great wdym most of them deal like around 3x damage

[lucid trellis]

i just like the color purple, also i dont know what else to use for arc

[sacred granite]

eh worked for me

[compact hemlock]

did the early silksoar glitch get patched

[normal bramble]

It works because red tools are already good

[still osprey]

Pollip Pouch sucks ass

[normal bramble]

Pollip pouch is like the greatest propaganda tool ever

[lucid trellis]

I just don't like holding it whole trying tk maneuver around a boss

[sacred granite]

[normal bramble]

You think it’s doing smth because your red tools shred but then realize they do that anyways

[cosmic nest]

imo the worst boss was pinstress

[hybrid flare]

❌

[still osprey]

Who uses them on bosses

[sacred granite]

should i fight her

[cosmic nest]

genuinely so terrible worst boss ever

[cosmic nest]

yes but its not gonna be fun

[hybrid flare]

pinstress is decent

[lucid trellis]

where else would you use charge attacks

[still osprey]

Well, it's required for 100% so

[cosmic nest]

if u didnt like primal aspids ur gonna hate her

[still osprey]

Gauntlets, they're much more useful there

[sacred granite]

Fuck 100%

i just want to finish the game

[terse lake]

why must the widow iron balls bounce

[compact hemlock]

questionmark

[still osprey]

For example, they oneshot every enemy in Bilehaven

[lucid trellis]

what else should i use for my arc build? I already have sling

[hybrid flare]

pin badge

[terse lake]

yea u just gotta time em well

[lucid trellis]

don't have it yet, also im on controller snd holding Y is a nightmare while moving

[normal bramble]

Quick sling sawtooth pin badge dice weighted belt , 3 tools of your choice

[compact hemlock]

why not

[normal bramble]

Thas my arc build

[terse lake]

bcs im dying. bcs i dont have cross stitch anymore. T_T

[compact hemlock]

just git gud

[normal bramble]

Well specifically I use Shakra rings voltvessels and Curvesickle

[still osprey]

God I need to play silksong but idk what to do at this point 🥹 I don't want to burn myself out but I want to keep playing

[lucid trellis]

I normally have weavelight on my vesti so i can spam clawline

[normal bramble]

Shakra rings solely for the Poshanka and cause you don’t need more then infinite voltvessels and curvesickles

[compact hemlock]

real

the starts are so slow it pmo

[terse lake]

oh shush i have 100%(ik that isnt a flex) ive already gitten gut ive also beaten nine sols and ive played rainworld im just dealing with the loss of a parry mechanic

[lucid trellis]

ill see about getting pin badge, i need more masks as well

[compact hemlock]

god chapel maid shut up

[terse lake]

me? whats a chapel maid and what do i have to do with it

[compact hemlock]

not you i mean the bitch at the start

[terse lake]

aight

[lucid trellis]

Im good at finding heal windows, plus mirrors arent my favorite with arc considering you can have aoe with voltvessels

[normal bramble]

I’ve honestly never used claw mirrors outside of witch

[terse lake]

i miss the act 2 and act 3 abilities. when u do 2nd playthrough u fee ltheir loss

[exotic cedar]

Beast with mirrors is interesting, since you bind alot

[compact hemlock]

god i hate the start of sk

[normal bramble]

I spent half of act 1 on my 2nd run through trying to faydown 😭

[terse lake]

oh ill just get outta here with the beast song. wait.

[lucid trellis]

i may start using pin badge

[terse lake]

like u genuinly lose ur oh shit lets get outta here button

[compact hemlock]

real

[normal bramble]

No you don’t, save and quit is always there

[still osprey]

Whatever go my tierslop

[lucid trellis]

flies in C is criminal

[still osprey]

They're boring

[lucid trellis]

but good

[still osprey]

I don't like using them

[normal bramble]

Voltvessels in A?

[terse lake]

ive never used snare setter actually. i only got it when i searched up it was needed for act 3

[still osprey]

No I hate using them

[normal bramble]

Also no poshanka tier for Shakra rings?

[still osprey]

It doesn't feel like I'm engaging with the tool system at all

[lucid trellis]

As an arc main i love flies

[still osprey]

It's completely strategyless

[lucid trellis]

put the railgun in S

[still osprey]

They're good in every situation and deal good damage, they're boring

[normal bramble]

No you don’t

[still osprey]

At least Tacks are situational, Cogflies aren't

[normal bramble]

There is like no scenario where you can’t just throw out a cogfly with 0 consequence

The only fight I fr use cogflies on is uhhh savage beast fly two

[still osprey]

I'm torn between voltvessels on S or A, I'd need to look at the damage numbers again

[still osprey]

Lowkey I debated it, I love Silkshot

[tight meadow]

Can you send link to dat

[still osprey]

It may not be the best tool but it is good

[normal bramble]

17 if you hit with the actual spear and 60 on the zaps (10 across 6 hits)

[still osprey]

Yea one moment

[tight meadow]

Alr thanks 👍

[lucid trellis]

snitch pick in S???

[tight meadow]

Snitch pick doesn't give you nothing

[exotic cedar]

Snitch pick mentioned

[normal bramble]

The non-spear version does a max of 90

[exotic cedar]

Live laugh snitch pick

[still osprey]

https://tiermaker.com/create/silksong-tools-1211546

[normal bramble]

If you hit with both of the balls and then their explosion

[tight meadow]

Just takes about half of their rosaries that they'd drop but dropping them earlier

[still osprey]

Snitch Pick more like Snitch Peak

[normal bramble]

However spear is just more consistent for only 13 dmg less

[exotic cedar]

Snitch pick also increases clawline damage by %25

[normal bramble]

Like at 77 dmg on a full activation that’s more then enough

Espically with a 10 capicity

[still osprey]

mmm yea that's really good

Maybe I just haven't used spear enough

How much damage do Bolas deal to Groal if he eats them?

[fiery burrow]

snitchpick should give you a 2 frame window to hit attack when clawlining which gives more silk and does more damage

[toxic vigil]

S is too much tools.
Also anklets? Fr?

[still osprey]

Anklets are my goat do not diss my goat anklets

[fiery burrow]

Anklets is a QOL tool but so are most yellows so its not like its competing with the best ones

[still osprey]

They just makes replaying the game more fun than it already is

[lucid trellis]

heres mine

[still osprey]

Snitch Pick in D? 💔

[versed pollen]

Tiermaker

[lucid trellis]

it gives nothing

[exotic cedar]

Dice is the most overglazed thing in history

[exotic cedar]

+25% clawline damage

[still osprey]

It increases Clawline damage by 25%

[fiery burrow]

Seems pretty reasonable ngl

Except for volt filament in B wtf

That's the most S tier tool in the game

[exotic cedar]

I should post my list maybe

[still osprey]

Volt Filament in B is also crazy yea

[lucid trellis]

i barely use silk skill but it's probably good, I just don't have much experience with it

[keen solstice]

Why is pollip in c and not F/D
Why are egg, snitch pick and barbed in D
Why the hell is cling grip in s, it's literally useless

[fiery burrow]

Yeah fair enough

[lucid trellis]

i like cling fuck you

[fiery burrow]

I'd also bump stingshard up to A I love stingshard

[keen solstice]

Cling is completely and utterly useless in every aspect

[fiery burrow]

I also never take off shell pendant

[versed pollen]

Sting shard is definitely top tier

[still osprey]

Sting Shard is great yea

[exotic cedar]

Its so satisfying to use

[versed pollen]

That shit just nukes everything

[unkempt minnow]

I just returned ro silksong

[fiery burrow]

RIP stingshard pogos

[still osprey]

Snitch Pick and Quick Sling in F? 😭

[keen solstice]

Pollip in c while snitch pick and quicksling in F ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️ ☠️

[exotic cedar]

Conchcutter in F????

[normal bramble]

I hate ascendants grip

[unkempt minnow]

Fire game but its hard as fuck

[still osprey]

We're just making up placements now

[normal bramble]

It messes up with every bit of my instinct

Genuinely worst yellow tool for me

[unkempt minnow]

What am i supposed to do in cogwork core

[keen solstice]

Voltvessels and curvexlaws in c 😭 😭 😭

[normal bramble]

Id rather use barbed bracelet then ascendant grip for platforming

[fiery burrow]

Weavelight is not C man wtf

[keen solstice]

It's a completely useless tool

[still osprey]

SPIDER STRINGS IN C

[normal bramble]

Bracelet atleast doesn’t make me get hit

[sharp tundra]

is sea of sorrow still tomorrow

[tight meadow]

Ascendants grip is good

[sharp tundra]

Spider strings is S
Wat r u on

[still osprey]

Genuinely how is Spider Strings in any tier above F 😭

[unkempt minnow]

Treachery tomorrow

[keen solstice]

Literally does nothing

[cerulean sable]

i know theres hype for the DLC

[keen solstice]

😭

[tight meadow]

Makes you stick to walls

[unkempt minnow]

What is alumni role

[keen solstice]

You can already do the exact same by just jumling and dashing back to the wall

[exotic cedar]

It isnt really useful

[tight meadow]

Makes places like mount fay, going through the organ, and bilewater way easier

[sharp tundra]

U get it when u eat aliminum

[still osprey]

Grip isn't good but there's no much better

[keen solstice]

It does not

[cerulean sable]

but i wanna ask, in a broader sense
are you bothered by this current trend of "content chase" even for SP games

cuz i heard the Peak devs put out a statement telling them that content updates to it are a priviledge and not some kind of right akin to a live service game

[tight meadow]

it kinda does thi

[keen solstice]

It doesn't

[tight meadow]

Have you done those with it?

[keen solstice]

You can LITERALLY replicate the EXACT same effect by jumling and dashing

[unkempt minnow]

Wait i had image perms before apparently

[tight meadow]

No that makes you mive

[versed pollen]

I mean at some point you expect a single player game to be done

[keen solstice]

It does not

[tight meadow]

yeah it does

[fiery burrow]

Kill monster hunter title updates

That's a multiplayer game but they suck on god

[versed pollen]

And the only updates should be maintenance and optimization

[fiery burrow]

More HR grinding please!

[keen solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1437421882193477794/Hollow_Knight_Silksong_2025.11.10_-_14.40.04.01.mp4?ex=69d3a9f2&is=69d25872&hm=3802bba6125c12d333f14410b4c745022d6fb2da96e84499712cebe0e3fc3b2f&

Again, ascendant is completely useless

[tight meadow]

whatever the one that gives you more money is that one deserves A tier

[cerulean sable]

yeah but in a recent trend people are going more for that "every game should be like Terraria that gets update every year" etc

and i even remember the discourse on Lethal Company that their main downfall is that they didnt pump enough content updates fast enough

[tight meadow]

Just don't get hit and you'll grind money 20% faster or sthn

[keen solstice]

Wrong reply

[fiery burrow]

Isn't ascendant a yellow tool who cares 💔

[cerulean sable]

oh sorry yeah wrong reply

[keen solstice]

Still wasting a yellow tool slot on a completely useless tool

[cerulean sable]

In a Twitter response to one player lamenting what they call a "lazy dev cycle" for Peak, Landfall says that the game has "had sooo many updates tho!" And, it should be noted, those are free updates for an $8 game. "Neither us or Aggro Crab are live service studios," Landfall says, adding that "any update is a bonus not a right."

[exotic cedar]

Soooo true

Use it or not it does not matter, it depends on the players comfort

[versed pollen]

People shit in Terraria for updating their game all the time though

[keen solstice]

Wdym they suck

[versed pollen]

They're building further and further onto a corrupted shitty codebase that needs to be rewritten

[fiery burrow]

The aforementioned HR grinding

Weird drip feed of content

[versed pollen]

Not even touching on the content bloat the game suffers from, making like 40% of the tools in the game entirely useless

[fiery burrow]

Mostly an issue if you play the games way after release like I did

[keen solstice]

Pollip in A 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[keen solstice]

Hr grind is non existent in wilds

[fiery burrow]

I'm not talking about Wilds but isn't Gog locked behind 100hr

[hybrid flare]

barbed bracelet in D💔

[keen solstice]

You get to hr 100 in like the first 30 hours lol

Compared to world and rise where you take a shitton of tkme

[hybrid flare]

slopster grinder

[fiery burrow]

idk I'm kind of a more casual player and I wasn't racking up HR that quick

But seems a lot quicker than world and rise yeah

[cerulean sable]

You hate the Pollip Pouch because of the damage

I hate the Pollip Pouch because i think poison damage in games are cringe and arent badass

we are not the same

[fiery burrow]

Risen elder grind is crazy bruh

[keen solstice]

Pollip is literally the worst blue tool

[toxic vigil]

i hate polip because it nerfs flintslate

[toxic vigil]

2nd worst* wispfire lantern exists

[fiery burrow]

Shagaru at like 180 MR or something 🥀

[versed pollen]

If I can't meta abuse than what's the point

[toxic vigil]

its ahh

[still osprey]

No it's correct

Pollip in F is where it belings

[cerulean sable]

motherfuckers like "yes i would like to apply a status effect and watch the numbers go -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 on their heads" bruh its like watching paint dry

[keen solstice]

Wispfire lantern does more than pollip ever would

[exotic cedar]

Pouch is only good if you want ourple tools

[still osprey]

Still better

[keen solstice]

Still offerd more than pollop

Pollip literally just oaints your tools purole

[toxic vigil]

wispfire is negative

[lucid trellis]

I need a better teir list

[cerulean sable]

Wipsfire has aura

[fiery burrow]

This would unironically get you bullied out of the ror2 community like some dude said he preferred the alt Acrid status effect and the two most prominent youtubers chased him out 🥀

[cerulean sable]

it charrs corpses

[keen solstice]

Wispfife deals 17 dmg per wisp
If even one lands it had done 99% more than what pollip ever would

[toxic vigil]

IF EVEN ONE LANDS

[cerulean sable]

Context???

(i never played Acrid)

[toxic vigil]

GOOD FUCKING LUCK 🤣

[lucid trellis]

maker

[keen solstice]

It will land in most scenarios lol

[distant mesa]

Wait there are pollip people in the room here?

[still osprey]

Apparently

[toxic vigil]

some bosses yeah
some literally never
not mentioning it wastes silk

[fiery burrow]

Acrid can either apply DoT poison or Blight which I believe is more geared towards a more single target damage and aggressive playstyle

[toxic vigil]

the silk wasting is very bad

[keen solstice]

3 dmg that doesn't stack, is removed and reapplied of every red tool hot

Ticks only twice

[hybrid flare]

voltvessels at the top of S tier my goat

[keen solstice]

Also nerfs flintslate and plasmium

[versed pollen]

Pollip pouch is probably good with like. Triple pins

[distant mesa]

Purple cogfly only for the colour

[exotic cedar]

This is my list, maybe put pin badge one tier down

Wait my internet is shit

[keen solstice]

?????

[hybrid flare]

son💔

[versed pollen]

No?

[keen solstice]

Flintslate is literally 50% needle dmg and plasmium is a free mask 😭

[fiery burrow]

idr the full context but some guy made a video saying blight wasn't all that bad and it caused a big drama

[cerulean sable]

what i meant is thats how i feel about it overall for a lot of games, and i think my main issue is poison doesnt has much of a visual feedback on it other than probably the HP bar ticking away slowly or theres a green/purple over the character

Fire, Lightning, Ice, etc those elements tends to have a much more obvious visual indicator that it adds to the feedback that poison IMO rarely has, except for games where poison and acid tends to be merged together that they melt your enemies on death

[still osprey]

Doesn't pouch suck ass with sting shard

[versed pollen]

Sting shard does burst damage it's an antisynergy

[keen solstice]

Flintslate lasts 8 seconds

[distant mesa]

Wanted to share this, pollip people

[exotic cedar]

I didn't rank red tools because idk

[hybrid flare]

WHERE. IS. VOLTVESSELS

[exotic cedar]

In my tummy

[hybrid flare]

its tick based and also doesnt stack

[cerulean sable]

something something thankfully this community is more mature something something surely noone will make a big deal what crest you prefer something something

[fiery burrow]

So true

[distant mesa]

I know, its really bad

[versed pollen]

Factoring in the total tool damage makes pollip more underwealming?

[still osprey]

I wish pollip pouch was a good tool but it just isn't

[distant mesa]

Also, did you see mypetcactus' latest definitive silksong tool ranking video?

Weavelight is actually good tho

[keen solstice]

Pollip poucu is literally the worst hlue toil, while weavelight is giid for shaman

[still osprey]

Weavelight is goated

[exotic cedar]

Pouch is abysmal dogshit

[toxic vigil]

weavelight is a platformer tool

[versed pollen]

Aren't those very poorly made

[fiery burrow]

Shard pendant in bad???

[exotic cedar]

Old list

Otherwise its a nice early tool, would put it one tier higher maybe

[toxic vigil]

even if you don't spam its not that good

[hybrid flare]

ultrakill should add farmable bullets tbf

[fiery burrow]

TRUE

[distant mesa]

I had an argument way too long than I am willing to admit with this person
To the point where I explained the unravelled was blatantly immune to pollip pouch yet he said he would use it still, and it did not seem bait

[hybrid flare]

wouldnt that be fun?

Silksong has them, bloodborne has them, whats the problem?

[still osprey]

I genuinely don't think there is a worse blue tool than pouch tho

[fiery burrow]

Only grinding ultrakill has is the ending arena of 7-3 🥀

[still osprey]

It does literally nothing

[hybrid flare]

CyberGRIND

[versed pollen]

I often forget that most people who play games are the randoms you meet in Nightreign and Deep Rock

[keen solstice]

The ever so glorious cybergrind:

[distant mesa]

Its just immune, same for Sister splinter and minister enemies

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-ballin-olympics-gif-23478393

[hybrid flare]

but tbf who isnt bleeding points atp

[fiery burrow]

OK but cybergrind isn't real ultrakill like if you play cybergrind you aren't a REAL ultrakill player we play campaign in this house

[still osprey]

Ministers are immune to pollip pouch???

Bro this shit is ASS 😭

[hybrid flare]

Slop 💔

[keen solstice]

Also 8-3's entire existence

[exotic cedar]

Is this fucking real

[lucid trellis]

updated teir list

[toxic vigil]

high halls

[fiery burrow]

8-3 has too much filler

[keen solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-fraud-8-3-space-gabriel-approved-gif-4571543976014540740

[distant mesa]

Pretty good tierlist, I only felt I personally never used grindles tools

[fiery burrow]

I love that level but man you could drop like half the encounters and it'd still be fine

[hybrid flare]

i lwk like every room in 8-3

[toxic vigil]

an enemy from high halls

[hybrid flare]

theres always sm cool room gimmick no matter where

[keen solstice]

Enjoy your rubiks cube room

[exotic cedar]

I fucking gasped when i saw this, im glad i played ultrakill (im gayer now)

[distant mesa]

Snare setter is fun, volt filament carried my 2nd playthrough, its insane

[hybrid flare]

prelude is ultrakill filler every level is MID

[fiery burrow]

The rotating ones are good

[lucid trellis]

added teir for tools i neve/barely ever use

[fiery burrow]

I like most of the skull path rooms except for the limbo one that has lava that one is kinda lame

[hybrid flare]

I cant get as much dopamine from prelude

[hybrid flare]

whats the worst room in ultrakill?

[keen solstice]

"HAKITA WHY ARE WE IN FUCKING SPACE"

[lucid trellis]

just haven't used it much

[hybrid flare]

Im glad you asked, 1-E last room

[fiery burrow]

on brutal yeah

[keen solstice]

0-E radiant idoled maurice room

[distant mesa]

Took me a 2nd playthrough to do so, same for snare setter

[hybrid flare]

Also a contender

i especially hate it because the fucking cerberus takes ages to have a hitbox

[lucid trellis]

correct, im an arc main

[keen solstice]

I also despise the existence of swordsmachines and guttertanks

[fathom geode]

SilKsong

[fiery burrow]

encores also have a lot of filler ngl who is enjoying this room

[hybrid flare]

Oh nvm i cant read

[keen solstice]

You mean guttermen

[distant mesa]

Lemme check my gallery wether I have a tool tierlist
I dont have one, only a hk charm tierlist

[fiery burrow]

you can't say that bruh 🥀

[hybrid flare]

GutterMAN my bad

[lucid trellis]

no silk skills

[hybrid flare]

Bitch move

[fiery burrow]

anyway guttermen are the best enemy

[distant mesa]

I mean, breaking the rules is so too

[keen solstice]

Gutterman guardbreak with knuckleblaster into free parry

[inland ravine]

What happened

[runic atlas]

Wrong as hell

[toxic vigil]

does anyone think somenthing is really wrong in this tierlist?

[hybrid flare]

Oh wow im so evil i said funny word

[keen solstice]

Guttertanks on the other hand

[hybrid flare]

Arguably yeah

[runic atlas]

Which is against the rules yes

[hybrid flare]

Im very sorry, chop my head off

[exotic cedar]

Damn something happened when i looked at something

[distant mesa]

Silkspeed, weavelight, ascendants grip and magma bell have more usecases

[rocky jolt]

everything should go in f

[keen solstice]

Guttertanks and swordsmachines are the most annoying enemies in the game

[toxic vigil]

the first 3 are platforming
magma bell is specific because boss specific

[fiery burrow]

I mean

-Chargebacks
-Free red explosion with the core eject
-Free health refill upon breaking the shield
-Free parry
-Pancakes
-Free explosion upon death
-Interesting gimmick with resetting tracking
-Great design
-Good lore
-Aura (Mother of me mother of me)

[distant mesa]

Dice is low
Multibinder and injector bands could be higher
Peetty agreeable list overal

[toxic vigil]

snare setter is cool as heck because you get to set up 340 damage

[distant mesa]

I use the first 3, especially the last 2 of those in plenty of bossfights

[keen solstice]

Swordsmachines are just hell in closed areas so are guttertanks

[distant mesa]

Unravelled moment

Tacks/cogflies + snare setter unravelled isnt fun but it is fun to be able to deal with the boss atleast

[fiery burrow]

dang nubbie muted 💔

i think mannequins are a solid contender for best enemy too tbh

Violence is the goat as usual

[keen solstice]

At first i used to think mannequins are annoying but they're actually pretty chill

[toxic vigil]

snare setter being 850 is not only amazing, but also quite easy to use because its only 10 tools and you get to preplace 4 usually

unless they miss but thats boss specific

[fiery burrow]

this the vid that got me to buy ultrakill ngl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76sCyROSUEc

[runic atlas]

Annoying ass gun

[fiery burrow]

it does no damage and gives you an advantage

[fallen spoke]

tool tierlist (pls dont nuke my house if you disagree)

[pine frost]

With how few combat yellow tools there are dice anywhere other than the top is a little questionable but I have no other notes

[exotic cedar]

Mannequins were so scary when i first played

I walked backwards on that skull room because i thought if i turned my back at them they would attack me

[covert bridge]

Im at the end of act 2 but i still cant find the putrified ducts 😭

[fiery burrow]

Send your map

[ionic stump]

It's right of memorium

[fiery burrow]

oh you can't 😔

[lucid trellis]

put scuttle in movement specific

[ionic stump]

Right where you find Juliana

[rocky jolt]

its under far fields

[covert bridge]

I will try to find it

[toxic vigil]

i mean its kinda meant to be used for fights, not platforming

[ionic stump]

It's right where you find juliana behind a breakable wall

[covert bridge]

Wait what how is that possible

[ionic stump]

The other way around is to defeat groal in Bilewater

[covert bridge]

Oh ive already defeated groal so i will go that way ig

[exotic cedar]

Though that way you don't access to all of it

[covert bridge]

Shoot

[lucid trellis]

i mean yeah but grip is similar

[ionic stump]

Yes you are right I forgot

[rocky jolt]

because far fields is putrifying

[toxic vigil]

grip is platforming

[ionic stump]

I also completely bugged a save by having act 3 quests on act 2

[covert bridge]

I do not think im good at exploring

[still osprey]

Why is snitch pick in bad 💔

[covert bridge]

I only had 3 silk skills when fighting gms so i went to get more

[lucid trellis]

i tend to have compass, grip, and dice and switch compass to belt for bosses or gauntlets

[ionic stump]

Barbed bracelet is either extremely good or extremely bad

[toxic vigil]

its like
not that bad
eh

[covert bridge]

In hk, wasnt wayward compass very unnecessary?

[exotic cedar]

Depends on the player tbh

[fallen spoke]

generally its really bad

[ionic stump]

Yes

[lucid trellis]

it's useful ok? Skong is fucking huge

[fallen spoke]

cause its kinda bad

[ionic stump]

For us normal people for speed runners it's good

[still osprey]

But it's not

[exotic cedar]

Nope

[ionic stump]

Snitch pick is bad

[still osprey]

It's a 25% damage increase to clawline

[ionic stump]

Just farm rosaries normally

[covert bridge]

I find looking at the map easier

[exotic cedar]

+25% clawline damage

[fallen spoke]

ok well i dont agree

[covert bridge]

And also 80 rosaries is huge

[exotic cedar]

Its like when the fajitas come out sizzling

[ionic stump]

I mean clawline is good in combat

[still osprey]

Why does no one know it increases clawline damage the game has been out for 6 months and it even says so in the description of the tool 😭

[fallen spoke]

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

[ionic stump]

I accidentally killed a choir clapper that way

[fallen spoke]

well i guess that makes it go up a tier

[cunning bobcat]

yall know any good item rando mods? i can only find one that randoms pickups

[exotic cedar]

I heard this line somewhere idk where but i like it

[weary wraith]

sorry if this question is getting asked many times, but is there a release date or estimation of silksong dlc?

[ionic stump]

No

[weary wraith]

ok ty

[still osprey]

Tomorrow

[ionic stump]

But it will release soon

[fiery burrow]

2026

[fallen spoke]

nah, but i predict june

[lucid trellis]

nope

[ionic stump]

Bc it's the next update

[cunning bobcat]

sbr reference???

[ionic stump]

I wish it releases the same day as deltarune ch 5

But now that i think about it

[fallen spoke]

why tho

[ionic stump]

No bc i want to play both