sk-discussion

[unkempt mantle]

I’m referring to Herrah.

[native canyon]

why is it SQUINTING

[rich herald]

I DONT KNOWWWWW

[marsh spoke]

that's a weaver queen not a weaver queen please note the distinction

one is a Queen of That Specific Sect of Weavers

[wicked oracle]

Honestly I thought she got like that the same way godseeker got like she is, sleep made her big

[unkempt mantle]

She was like that pre-dreamer, seen in flashbacks.

[marsh spoke]

the other is Hornet Overcome By GMS' crests

[marsh spoke]

we don't knowwwwww she's completely covered

[wicked oracle]

Yeah but in the flashbacks she looks a lot like the other weavers

[unkempt mantle]

True, but she is very large and has unique horns

[hybrid flare]

Could strung to serve be cut because weaver queen sort of implies that gms's nature would drastically change hornet?

[marsh spoke]

the only thing consistent between hk herrah and ss herrah is the headshape

[hasty pasture]

how dis??

[marsh spoke]

strung to serve is the other way around from weaver queen

[wicked oracle]

Strange heads, as seen with first sinner, aren't impossible with weavers

[hybrid flare]

Yeah, i know, but it could lead to a similar outcome

[unkempt mantle]

First Sinner’s is notes to have her mask broken

[split cape]

Yo bald ahh

[unkempt mantle]

That’s not her natural head shape. It’s like the weaver in weavenest Karn, which has a scar on her eye.

[wicked oracle]

Is she, where. I'm not saying this to be dissmissive I'm actually curious

[marsh spoke]

weaver queen is hornet binding gms and being overwhelmed by the crest
strung to serve is hornet being bound/consumed/whatever by gms and being used as a vessel to haunt everyone forever
both of them are similar but probably have completely different outcomes

[hasty pasture]

i mean... horned DOES not remember her so maybe thats whyyyy????

[unkempt mantle]

In her journey description I’m pretty sure.

[marsh spoke]

She doesn't remember what she used to look like yes

[wicked oracle]

Her journal entry reads "Ancient Weaver condemned for a transgression lost to time.

This one's husk held a masterful talent, to weave Silk into blazing runes. Throughout my life, I have seen runes woven for many tasks. Was she the first to hone such skills? "

[unkempt mantle]

Nvm, I’m wrong.

[wicked oracle]

lol

[unkempt mantle]

That was Widow’s.

[wicked oracle]

All good, man

[hybrid flare]

Weaver queen is left ambiguous to its outcome, but we could assume gms would drastically influence hornet due to her power

[unkempt mantle]

But still, First Sinner still have the base Weaver head shape, Herrah’s is VERY off.

[marsh spoke]

yeah to a degree

[unkempt mantle]

Who know, Sinner could have been the Queen of her clan.

Herrah’s body shape could have just been a result of either being a dreamer or pregnancy. Maybe it’s just that Weaver Queens have weird head shapes.

[wicked oracle]

I still think herrah was an average weaver who got big from sleeping so long, but then again you said this was a crack theory

[unkempt mantle]

My only thing is her head being funky, which was passed down to Hornet, so it’s likely genetic.

[native canyon]

herrah's body is different because she thinks the other weavers are ugly as fuck and she needs to look good as the deepnest ruler

[marsh spoke]

i Do Not Think that weavers had queens and clans Considering that would go completely against the whole "Hey I'm Grand Mother Silk please serve me forever" thing

and i dont think grand mother silk is stupid

[wicked oracle]

Oh yeah, that too

[hybrid flare]

Yeah i feel like the weavers had a deity-creation relationship instead of a mother-daughter one

[native canyon]

had to fucking reschedule my therapist appointment how is everyone's day

[marsh spoke]

about half way tbh

[unkempt mantle]

My thought was that the different “clans” originally served different purposes. That’s why in Widow’s flashback, all the harp weavers had the same body type.

[wicked oracle]

OH HEY why does widow have arms

[hybrid flare]

weavers come with deformations some have em some don't

[marsh spoke]

GMS really really wants a mother daughter relationship but she doesnt understand jackshit about how mortals operate so she ends up fucking up and making it a deity creation thing

[native canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-widow-outta-my-way-gif-6410021784820990458

[wicked oracle]

she doesn't seem to have the, in the flashback, or at least she's not using them

[unkempt mantle]

It would also explain why all the weavers in Hallownest are the same, and why there are so many different weavenests.

[hybrid flare]

it's not necessarily widow in the flashback

[wicked oracle]

If that even is her

[young saffron]

Bad was waiting at the doctors for 2 hours and eventually had to come home cause I got tired of waiting 💔

[hybrid flare]

I mean we don't know, all of them are dead

[wicked oracle]

yeah, that

[native canyon]

she's gotta be ONE of them at least

yeah when you bind widow you see some other weaver's memory

[hybrid flare]

More of a needolin related flashback imo

Esp because widow is one of the ancient ones

[marsh spoke]

it is

[unkempt mantle]

To be honest, we don’t see under a weavers cloak often, so we?

[native canyon]

well it specifically happens because widow is bound so like why would she not be in the memory lol

[hybrid flare]

Well yeah could be

[unkempt mantle]

Also, we know silk has body altering properties.

[marsh spoke]

Every other memory we enter belongs to the guy we entered It would be stupid if that was a non widow memory

[abstract geyser]

I guess more $$$ For team cherry.

[hybrid flare]

Not saying it's not her memory, talking about one of the weavers in the bg

[rich herald]

what are the crack theories being created today i wasnt paying attention

[unkempt mantle]

Maybe that was part of her weird punishment/repentance or whatever it is.

[hybrid flare]

lifeblood is related to steel seer zii's uncle

[rich herald]

fascinating

[unkempt mantle]

Different weaver body types could have been different weaver clans, and that each clan had its own Queen like Hereah.

[marsh spoke]

her weird punishment was probably by the weavers

[native canyon]

I see you're playing stp

[wicked oracle]

The hunter's journal states this about the grand reeds "High standing insect of the Choir, bearing a bow. This elite Reed has been trained and fed beyond its smaller fellows." and while that's cool what IF silk had something to do with it too?

[rich herald]

yesss

[hybrid flare]

Meh i don't think so

[rich herald]

i am finally hopping on today

[marsh spoke]

Hey gir are you on a path in the woods

[wicked oracle]

City of Steel mention

[hybrid flare]

we know it does since the weavers turned out to be this way

[unkempt mantle]

Could be.

[rich herald]

About to be

[native canyon]

and in those woods, is there a cabin?

[rich herald]

I hope i see a cabin

[marsh spoke]

Does a cabin lie at the end of that path

[rich herald]

Goddddd i hope theres a princess in the cabin thatd be so fucking funnyyyyy

[hybrid flare]

I mean silk is soul after all, feedin a bug with more lifeforce is ought to bring changes

[wicked oracle]

Like the bloating of Soul master and Groal

[rich herald]

And even funnier if i had to slay that princess 😂😂😂😂 lmaoooo thatd be so hilarious right guys!

[marsh spoke]

What happens if you dont

[native canyon]

does the world end

[wicked oracle]

But instead of bloating they get stretched out like taffy

[rich herald]

Gulp...............

[unkempt mantle]

You know… I wonder how cross-species reproduction works in Hollow Knight.

[open narwhal]

@rich herald

[rich herald]

@open narwhal

[open narwhal]

@native canyon

@marsh spoke

[native canyon]

@open narwhal

[open narwhal]

hiii hru

[wicked oracle]

I always got the vibe that there was just a huge amount of variation within a "species"

[marsh spoke]

@open narwhal good morning oswald

[unkempt mantle]

We don’t really see many hybrids, but we know it’s possible from the little weavers.

[misty viper]

Groeulgh

[wicked oracle]

Team cherry plays really fast and loose with bug biology

[native canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/remy-rat-disney-silly-disgusted-gif-8841545987186270567

[open narwhal]

Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?

[open narwhal]

hiii hyd

[misty viper]

more funny groal sprites

[marsh spoke]

Team Cherry big biology: BONES

[rich herald]

hiiiu im cooking up an omelet rn and about to read a vn (evil)

[wicked oracle]

BONE!!??!?!!

[turbid anchor]

Idk if this is worthy of being a sticker

[marsh spoke]

I wish You a Good Morning

[rich herald]

how goes it oserwalder

[unkempt mantle]

I was only wondering this because the Weaver’s infertility curse may have just been the fact that she made no males of the weaver species.

[wicked oracle]

They gon give a lil kiss

[native canyon]

kinda mad cause I had reschedule my therapist appointment

[sage glade]

cap

[open narwhal]

@sage glade

[unkempt mantle]

Because we know weavers can reproduce. Hell, they did it a ton with the spider tribe to create the little weavers.

[sage glade]

erm

[rich herald]

when do you next get to have an appointment shades

[native canyon]

thankfully on wednesday but it's about the principle also I had to reschedule last week too so like

[wicked oracle]

Hang on I got a hornet quote, I'm nor really sure if clears things up much

[rich herald]

oh wtf thats even more lame

[open narwhal]

im MAD cause i made a tiramisu but halfways I forgot the recipe and decided to make a cheesecake but then cause the bottom layer was made of nescafe soaked biscuits it kinda had the structural integrity of a paper towel so the cake kinda flipped upside down but i turned it upside up and wahhhhh it all went wrong

[open narwhal]

i wish u a good morning too hru

[sage glade]

proceed

[open narwhal]

thats super evil i hate rescheduling stuff

[marsh spoke]

little weavers are fucking weird

[wicked oracle]

Eva:I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits.

[rich herald]

NOOOO Was it still good atleast

[open narwhal]

no, that was it.

[wicked oracle]

"NEAR impossible"

[sage glade]

fair, you too

[gloomy hill]

you should reschedule your league play sessions to never

[open narwhal]

idk im praying its gonna get more hold when i put it into the fridge for 394 years

[marsh spoke]

everything weaver related in deepnest is weird and inconsistent because TC Scott Cawthoned the writing for silksong like the frauds they are

[misty viper]

More

[unkempt mantle]

Then how come there are so many little weavers?

[wicked oracle]

I have no fucking clue

[native canyon]

okay let's not go that far

scott cawthon is one of the worst storytellers I've ever seen

[rich herald]

i pray this is the case maybe that will help
but regardless even if it is not the nicest looking it is likely to still be pretty yummy

like a tiramisu/cheesecake hybrid type of deal sounds awesome

[wicked oracle]

They might just be... smaller weavers?

[native canyon]

it's a retcon

[devout oracle]

ok, just out of curiosity, any tips for lace 2?

[marsh spoke]

tc probably has a chapel for scott cawthon that they pray to every day. They love his stupid ass writing

[native canyon]

the lore for weavers wasn't that developed in hk so boom little weavers

[misty viper]

What happened to him

[native canyon]

they actually have a chapel to the greatest retconner of all, andrew hussie

[wicked oracle]

Yeah, the little weavers aren't explicitly stating to be babies, not in the hunter's journal at least

[faint hollow]

silksong won game of the year on steam nice

[unkempt mantle]

My best explanation is that silk made no male weavers, and that in the world of HK, cross-species reproduction is possible, but gets harder the less related the species are. The spiders who joined deep nest just happened to manage to find a tripe that was closely related to the weavers/pharlids.

[marsh spoke]

in hk3 they're genuinely going to pull out illusion discs and remnant and silk goo to explain everything. I hate tc. I hate this franchise so much

[wicked oracle]

I will go get my wanderer's journal. hang on

[native canyon]

hkmain is getting to you bestie...

[unkempt mantle]

However, this also means no purebred weavers can be born. And since the weavers are so egotistical and species-centric, they despise their half-blood children, seeing them as little more than an undesirable necessity.

[native canyon]

scott cawthon induced psychosis

[wicked oracle]

Yeah, It doesn't say shit

[native canyon]

okay that last part is pure conjecture

eva is despised for being seen as a failure not for being a half-blood

[marsh spoke]

I fucking hate silksong

[rough zealot]

do you guys take care of your hornet? i fully upgraded her bellhome and i let her sleep for like 20 irl mins every session and i wash her in the spa or showers

[marsh spoke]

also Eva isnt even a halfblood whar ?

[native canyon]

half weaver half... rune...?

[unkempt mantle]

I’m assuming that off of the red memory “prove yourself more weaver than wyrn” as well as the fact that they seemingly abandoned all the little weavers.

[wicked oracle]

I'm putring her through steel soul as we speak

[hybrid flare]

deepnest is barely explained in the first game

[devout oracle]

any idea how to farm silk while on a bench?

[trail holly]

deepnest is a nest placed deep

[rich herald]

hmmmmm.....

[marsh spoke]

i dont think they abandoned anybody

[rich herald]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[marsh spoke]

taking the little weavers back to pharloom would probably be like the equivalent of taking back my zombie child back to my homeland. They're all dead

[hybrid flare]

comparing any writing to scott cawthon's writing is a crime

[meager storm]

SAVAGE BEASTFLY HEALS???

[wicked oracle]

I think think there were retcons

[marsh spoke]

tc in 2040: we're happy to introduce The Void Mimic made by Edwin (the pale king's real name) to our 30th hollow knight sequel

[wicked oracle]

I think think therefore I am am

[lilac ledge]

i js 100% silskong

[unkempt mantle]

They released a Hollow Knight update recently though. Could have, like, changed something.

[hybrid flare]

Do we even get an explanation of what are the little weavers

[wicked oracle]

Brother we'll be waiting till 2040 for City of Steel what makes you think we're 28 more games

[marsh spoke]

its still in beta isnt it

[dull ermine]

now get the momentos and download the pantheon of pharloom

[native canyon]

bestie do we perhaps have an issue with the direction five nights at freddy's is taking

[tawny oyster]

Mannnn the boss fights in this game don’t even compare to the arenas where they just throw every enemy in the area into them I’ve attempted the Greymoor one like 10 times, which is more than any of the boss fights took by a long shot

[marsh spoke]

tc will become a publicly traded aaa studio in 2026

[unkempt mantle]

Best guess is they are spider/weaver offspring. If not, the weavers tried to apprentice spider children for some reason.

[wicked oracle]

NOOOOOOOO

[lilac ledge]

no i refuse i havent touch grass since Christmas

[hybrid flare]

I mean we're not told if they're a separate species, offspring or smt else

[rich wyvern]

It gets worse. So much worse

[unkempt mantle]

I didn’t know that. Thank god it is, I can’t play HK because of the update.

[hybrid flare]

For all we know they served herrah

[trail holly]

tc is actually related to the government of monaco

[tawny oyster]

oh no

[native canyon]

it's funny that you think security breach is when the problems started

[wicked oracle]

Again, I think they're just small weavers

[hybrid flare]

how

[marsh spoke]

Been an issue since 4 but none of you are ready for that

[native canyon]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT

FUCK YOU FNAF 4

[marsh spoke]

Thank you boxshades

[hybrid flare]

There have been doubts to consider even the 6 first games canon btw

[trail holly]

Is this lorewise or gameplaywise

[marsh spoke]

lore obviously

[hybrid flare]

like how BAD does it get

[rich wyvern]

The worst part is it’s not optional as far as I can tell (not 100% sure, not completely done with my 1st play though yet. Let’s hope)

[marsh spoke]

What are we even doing anymore

[tawny oyster]

I think maybe the multiple enemies overwhelm me? Whereas with the boss fights there’s only one thing to focus on and they’re incredibly predictable

[trail holly]

what even is the ending of 4???
-# THE BOX PMO

[wicked oracle]

Not Silksong

[native canyon]

shoutout markiplier's playlist where he says fnaf 3 is the end and there's nowhere for the series to go after it and there's like 100 more videos

[tawny oyster]

Aughhhh that sucks

[hybrid flare]

Fair, hope you can adapt to it

[rich wyvern]

There’s. 11. 11 waves. And they’re all complex enemies

[tawny oyster]

broooooo???? I’m cooked

[marsh spoke]

The ending of 4: uhhhhhhhhh uhmmm the kid died wait no the kid was just hallucinating wait no the kid was being stalked wait no the kid was being tortured by illusion discs wait no the kid was ACTUALLY NOT REAL wait no the kid was the mimic wait no it WAS real but

[trail holly]

cold take: markiplier faking his fnaf 2 run was justified

[native canyon]

and it was the bite of 80 FUCKING 3!

[rich wyvern]

We all are

[native canyon]

THE BITE OF 83 IS MY LEAST FAVORITE PLOT POINT IN ANYTHING EVER AND I'M NOT FUCKING EXAGGERATING

[wicked oracle]

Hang on, Pubby

[native canyon]

WHY WAS IT 83 WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT 83 THERE WAS LITERALLY A PRE-ESTABLISHED BITE AND SCOTT MADE A FUCKING NEW ONE

[trail holly]

bro fnaf was getting too confusing for JUST kids getting murdered

okay now that sounds bad

[marsh spoke]

bite of 87, hyped up for 3 games
bite shown on screen
WAS THAT THE BITE OF 87? no its the bite of 83 fuck you fuck you for wanting closure on that go make shit up about it now

[native canyon]

THE SECOND GAME TAKES PLACE IN 87 AND THERE'S FUCKING NOTHING

SCOTT CAWTHON IS THE WORST FUCKING WRITER OF ALL TIME

[gusty igloo]

hii

[marsh spoke]

And then you also have the books and ooooooohhhhhhhhhhh my god

[hybrid flare]

each game has a new retcon

[trail holly]

hello white lady pfp terra

[hybrid flare]

isn't that great, not even good retcons but BAD retcons

[native canyon]

oh the fucking books don't even get me started on the books

[trail holly]

the books are so annoying bro

[gusty igloo]

im no linger white lady

[marsh spoke]

My most favorite canon thing that happened is that time Springtrap got a guy pregnant with Springtrap

[trail holly]

i use that to differentiate you from the 7 other terras

[native canyon]

my goat tetsuya takahashi could never (xenoblade 2 has goated retcons)

[marsh spoke]

Also fazgoo. Don't forget about fazgoo

[native canyon]

maybe scott cawthon and toby fox aren't so different

[trail holly]

Matpat got springtrap pregnant or vice versa i forgot

[hybrid flare]

Retcons shouldnt be a thing unless they're not rlly relevant or clarified

[trail holly]

why was scott cancelled

[hybrid flare]

what

[gusty igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046818473860419596/1455610937338757270/togif.gif

[trail holly]

Yes bro

[native canyon]

nah I think visions change and artists should be allowed to alter the story to fit with their vision

[hybrid flare]

I love my stories being consistent

[trail holly]

retcons are always done badly

[hybrid flare]

[marsh spoke]

You would think "Springtrap Pregnancy" would just be shit you find in some backwater discord server in disboard but no it's just canon

[hybrid flare]

Not true, but sometimes they are unnecessary

[native canyon]

guy donated to republican congressmen

[native canyon]

hard disagree with this take

[trail holly]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[wicked oracle]

I wonder if the city of steel will continue HK's theme's of striving for eternity being an ultimately futile task, with void being the represntation of the end of all things. The way Zi and Sula talk of thier masters reminds me of the way Brumm talks about grimm, we might even get to see some cool higher being stuff

[hybrid flare]

when

[native canyon]

I had to explain to my brother that retcons can and have worked in the past because he also thought retcons were always bad

[trail holly]

books i think

[exotic cedar]

Should i do a no upgrade no tool run or double enemy run (i did it before)

[hybrid flare]

springtrap pregnant WHAT

[pliant musk]

I made the crests moveset! (Hornet sprites except for the pogo one are placeholders until i find more fitting ones)

[native canyon]

the sopranos has a few retcons yet that's the greatest show of all time

[orchid locust]

team cherry gets bought out by Ubisoft-Take Two Intergalactic Holdings in 2819

[wicked oracle]

Sick

[pliant musk]

Thanks!

[hybrid flare]

This does not mean that there should be an abundance of inconsistencies

[native canyon]

I'm not saying this

[trail holly]

fnaf story lowk asss

[native canyon]

not even lowk

scott completely lost the plot after 3

[trail holly]

hik (highkey)

3 true ending could've been a great solve to it honestly

[orchid locust]

fnaf story jfk (john f kenuinely) ass

[hybrid flare]

what the FUCK is the mimic

[native canyon]

my name is edwin

I made the mimic

[trail holly]

his granddaughter died☹️

[lofty shell]

what is its tools layout and special ability

[rustic quest]

Uhh this weird bug just tried to capture me in grey moor when i was tryna get the couriers brother

[rustic quest]

Should I be worried

[lofty shell]

are you naked in a prison now

[marsh spoke]

In The Flesh from Fazbear Frights: Bunny Call
tldr springtrap gets matpat e-pregnant and matpat gives birth to a tiny springtrap and dies

[rustic quest]

No i killed him

[trail holly]

sb story was weird af but it was a highlight of my life cuz i had covid in 2021 and matpat's videos entertained me while i threw up every 5 minutes

[rustic quest]

Also what?

[exotic cedar]

He was going to put you in chocolate land

[hybrid flare]

is this canon

[marsh spoke]

Yeah

[trail holly]

what is that name bro

[wicked oracle]

Don't worry about it

[exotic cedar]

With candies and rainbows 🌈

[hybrid flare]

WHY AND HOW

[orchid locust]

?????????????????

[trim estuary]

In the Fazbear Frights timeline yes, not in the mainline games though

[lofty shell]

just
look around far fields
you will find a specific room

[rustic quest]

Is he gonna come back?

[exotic cedar]

What am i reading

[trail holly]

it's funny because it comes from him

[marsh spoke]

Yeah

[orchid locust]

what strings of letters are defiling my eyes

[marsh spoke]

Hi zip

[trim estuary]

Greetings

[wicked oracle]

Actually I don't know

[marsh spoke]

The absolute state of five nights at freddy's

[rustic quest]

Aw dang it

[lofty shell]

https://tenor.com/view/lace-gets-shredded-lol-silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-skong-gif-17017295231270868098

[rustic quest]

I kinda wanted to be captured

[wicked oracle]

I think there are other guys you can find

[exotic cedar]

There's more warden flies

[wicked oracle]

Just keep an eye out

[exotic cedar]

I think there's one in deep docks

[blissful junco]

oppenheimer build shreds karmelita

[wicked oracle]

If you want I can pull up the wiki

[unkempt mantle]

My guess is that the steel group takes on a similar role of being the end as the void, but whereas the void focuses on the end of Pale beings, the steel group focuses on civilizations as a whole.

[wicked oracle]

Yoooo, Someone else here likes the city of steel

[slow imp]

chat do i start animal well or nine sols today

[hybrid flare]

i started nine slops

and its sloppy

[slow imp]

why is it slop 😭

[hybrid flare]

slop slop

[wicked oracle]

That's something I thought about too, them having that kinda heralds of the end thing going on

[slow imp]

how

game looks so fun

[hybrid flare]

slop slop slop

[exotic cedar]

I thought the controls were hard because i use mouse

[slow imp]

smh

[hybrid flare]

what if instead nine sols it was eight sols

[unkempt mantle]

Also, the void seems to be a more instigator of the end, the Steel group could more so be accelerators or just watchers.

[wicked oracle]

Ough I like that

[hybrid flare]

Weird how the instigator of the end in the first game is the infection

[trail holly]

what do silk eaters become in steel soul

[slow imp]

look hk and skong are peak games, but not every metroidvania will be their quality

and that doesn’t mean said metroidvanias suck either

[hybrid flare]

play blasphemous

[native canyon]

free money

[trim estuary]

Thank GOODNESS not every metroidvania has the quality of Silksong

[slow imp]

isn’t that like a castlevania successor

[native canyon]

do I play stp or do I fight... nosk radiant 😒

[hybrid flare]

ion think so

[trim estuary]

Why are you fighting Radiant Nosk

[wicked oracle]

The steel guys are so damn fascinating, man. like more than their aesthetic speaking to me as looking cool as hell. They bring up so many questions

[slow imp]

i mean yea every metroidvania is cool in their own ways

[orchid locust]

at least tell me matpat wasn't actually namedropped

[hybrid flare]

Yeah, we couldn't gatekeep peak otherwise

[native canyon]

redoing radhog on keyboard to familiarize myself with each hitless boss before doing hitless pantheons

[marsh spoke]

The character is named Matt

[unkempt mantle]

True. But I think the void just wanted to kill pale beings, their subjects are collateral.

[slow imp]

but if i wanna try plasphemous i think i wanna play SOTN first

[wicked oracle]

GRGRGRG, I wanna know whats the hell up with these guys

[trim estuary]

No I mean the part where Silksong’s quality dives off a cliff during Act 3

[hybrid flare]

True but also not true

[native canyon]

act 3 discussion again

[unkempt mantle]

Radiance ended hallownest, but the void ended her and (maybe) the Pale King.

[trim estuary]

Yeah you’re right Crawfather is in it I can’t be too negative

[orchid locust]

genuinely am unable to concoct a response 😭 😭

[slow imp]

oh well i kinda disagree on that

but whatever

[native canyon]

it'd be so thematically fitting if void is the reason pale king died

[slow imp]

i mean i can sorta understand that prespective

[trim estuary]

Scott Cawthon wants to get Matpat pregnant, nothing too crazy about that

[wicked oracle]

Hornet says the void "Drives voracious towards soul" higher being could just be a good source of it

[hybrid flare]

Half of the bosses are good, void threading gameplay wise is kind of shit, if void threaded enemies granted some kind of reward

it wouldve been better

[orchid locust]

we finally figured out what the m in mpreg stands for

[exotic cedar]

Act 3 feels boring compared to other 2 acts

[hybrid flare]

The void is a primordial force of destruction, there's not much to it

[exotic cedar]

I wish there was more exploring

[hybrid flare]

The world changes and seeing what npcs have to say is cool, but give us more areas RAAH

[exotic cedar]

True, i wish abyss was kinda bigger though

[unkempt mantle]

I’ve seen a theory that PK died while seeing the future. Basically, the “respawns” where the knight and Hornet wake up at the bench are like the foresight powers PK had

[wicked oracle]

YEAH

[exotic cedar]

You just go left down right and you explored most of the abyss

[native canyon]

nah don't give that bum ANYTHING

[trim estuary]

WHAT. IF. We had RED CORAL GORGE and PRIME HUNTER’S MARCH and (maybe) PRIME SHELLWOOD as entire Memory Segments

[unkempt mantle]

I think Pale Beings are just a breed of higher being that a closely tied to soul. For the void, Pale beings are just massive wells of the soul they crave.

[hybrid flare]

narratively it follows up the themes pretty well, but old hearts are convolluted and it has retcons

[exotic cedar]

That'd be pretty steamhappy

[trail holly]

then shades are just retconned by that theory

[wicked oracle]

Yeah that's exactly what I'm gettin at. though you worded it better

[hybrid flare]

tk shade isn't probably canon either way

[unkempt mantle]

Nah. The theory says that he legit saw no future of success and straight up just died. Bro rage quit.

[orchid locust]

can't believe you js retconned @native canyon

[trail holly]

b-but there's an npc and a journal entryyyy

[trim estuary]

“Do you have Weavers?”
“We got void”

[native canyon]

DON'T RETCON ME

[trail holly]

the theory did not me bro

[hybrid flare]

We do have weavers infact

[marsh spoke]

What if the void is weavers

[unkempt mantle]

I think the player’s shade was always ment to be a gameplay thing, not a real thing.

[trail holly]

#sk-discussion message

[trim estuary]

We have TWO semiliving Weavers in the Weaver game and both of them KILL you

[marsh spoke]

the shade exists but if the knight dies its just genuinely over canonically

[trail holly]

https://tenor.com/view/pov-someone-ships-you-with-a-boy-someone-ships-you-with-a-boy-sxph1eegg-animation-corny-gif-13467692590307724356

[wicked oracle]

The corpse run mechanics are reall weird lore-wise

[hybrid flare]

five. hundred. mummies

[trim estuary]

NOOOOO

[trim estuary]

at least it isn’t the cookie run gif

[hybrid flare]

first sinner isnt even killing yo ass she's testing you

[trail holly]

the what😭

[rich herald]

this gif fucking peaks

[marsh spoke]

it's in the same vein as my organs exist but if you ever see my organs not in me that probably means I may be done for

[wicked oracle]

My theory-other than steel soul being canon-Is that the knight can live without a lot a void in it

[unkempt mantle]

Respawn mechanics usually aren’t part of game lore.

[wicked oracle]

Yeah but what if they were

[trail holly]

there's still an npc☹️

[wicked oracle]

Let me have this

[hybrid flare]

Tk is ALSO the shade when it breaks out of its shell in the pantheon and true endings so what the fuck

[marsh spoke]

Well that's an ending

[unkempt mantle]

Then the Knight and Hornet are just inexplicably immortal.

[wicked oracle]

This ones a bit more out there but ties in nicely, which is hornet inheriting her fathers reincarnation powers

[hybrid flare]

Hornet 3d prints herself anew from the cocoon trust

[trail holly]

no they die they just come back in a point of time where they sat down

[marsh spoke]

In DNM it basically dies and in the true ending it turns into the god of gods and then practices pantheons until silksong

[wicked oracle]

Bardoon says "This ashen place is grave of Wyrm. Once told, it came to die. But what is death for that ancient being? More transformation methinks"

[orchid locust]

why does everyone "test" hornet by fighting her can't they js like slide her the SAT and you only get the ability if you get at least 1400

[hybrid flare]

Both of these it pops the shell, and i assume it survives in both, but rests with the void in dnm

[wicked oracle]

LMAo

[marsh spoke]

in DNM it's dead

[hybrid flare]

Deadass, hornet is old she should be educated

[rich herald]

If the knight breaks its shell its dead

[hybrid flare]

It exits its shell, not necessarily killing it

[rich herald]

this is the same with all of the siblings in the game theyre All dead in the abyss technically but still exist there

[hybrid flare]

holy spelling

[marsh spoke]

It's a shade. Yeah it's technically alive but it's more like a ghost than anything

[hybrid flare]

Well yeah, it also has some remnants of its mind

[rich herald]

What

[hybrid flare]

having to explain a vessel biologically must kill people

[native canyon]

say that again

[orchid locust]

yarnaby cracking the knight's shell with spines and genuinely getting devoured by the void within

[rich herald]

Thank god FUCK YARNABY

[marsh spoke]

You're technically alive but you're more like a ghost than anything

[hybrid flare]

It remembers hornet or wtv

[marsh spoke]

Also I hate you. Just kidding I don't

[wicked oracle]

Not me I love coming up with deranged theories loosely based in canon

[native canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/cabby-cabby-cat-gif-4267346400739127486

[trail holly]

so shades are real?

[rich herald]

well yes its not brain dead by definition but its physically dead in the sense that it has no corporeal form outside of the abyss/void

[hybrid flare]

Yes, im a shade

[orchid locust]

ghost doesn't actually remember hornet it js wanted to aurafarm in front of a stranger

[rich herald]

TRUE

[hybrid flare]

Ts is true

It sensed soul and thought he'd be eating good

[wicked oracle]

Have no idea how they get back on the benches

[native canyon]

he? 🙁

[rich herald]

ghost only saved hornet with the caveat that she’d watch it beat anyrad 1.0 (it shouldve just killed her straight up)

[hybrid flare]

SHIT

[open narwhal]

Gibraltar

[wicked oracle]

That's probably entirely a gameplay thing

[rich herald]

Oswobble

[patent heath]

Dude what are you doing here?

[trail holly]

What if the knight is actually a fall guy and hallownest is actually just what happenes to the fall guys who fall????
-# this works for undertale also

[orchid locust]

Ceuta

[vivid raptor]

Hey

[rich herald]

hullo

[patent heath]

Hi.

[trail holly]

🧌

[vivid raptor]

I love grubs and fleas to the point I'd spend hours freeing them all

[trail holly]

incinerating

Which bugs in the team cherryverse would make good food?

[vivid raptor]

I wonder if the DLC will include another pale oil or two

[orchid locust]

i will always prefer grubs to fleas until mooshka whips out as many bands as grubfather

[undone gate]

I highly doubt so

[wicked oracle]

I think Hornet's cocoon is a kind of involentary defense measure like GMS weaving herself into a cocoon so she can stay safe and recover

Ultimately she'll rememerge later

[patent heath]

Snail.

[vivid raptor]

The pin person said if we find more oil we can come to him or something even after using 2 pale oils

[orchid locust]

there's 3 pale oils

[patent heath]

Make as in they are chefs or make as in we eat them?

[vivid raptor]

3?

Is this in act 3 I'm still on 2

[wicked oracle]

do you not have the full needle

[orchid locust]

yeah act 3

[undone gate]

There are 3 pale ores and Team Cherry will probably not have any major upgrades in DLC probably just tools and crests

[terse hull]

Guys who has a save file without killed karmelita

[vivid raptor]

Pretty specific

[undone gate]

Can't you just Auto Save back and then refight Karmalita

[wicked oracle]

damn right

[patent heath]

No.

She is not a autosave point.

[patent heath]

If I remember correctly.

[wicked oracle]

Except wanderer's wanderer's is the best

[terse hull]

I wanna refight her

[faint berry]

all hail architects crest

[terse hull]

How

[wicked oracle]

Architect Gaming

[undone gate]

But there is a Auto Save point before her just do the Auto Save after elegy of the deep it doesn't take too long to reach her

[vivid raptor]

I love pogo-ing with Wanderer

[faint berry]

we LOOOOOVE architects crest

[marsh spoke]

@native canyon

[faint berry]

I HATE WANDERER

[patent heath]

Fair enough.

[vivid raptor]

I'm about to buy the architect key to get the crest

[undone gate]

Click the button under your Save file next to the detele button then you have various Auto saves which you can return back to

[wicked oracle]

FYM "I HATE WANDERER"

[patent heath]

No more Second Sentinel. 😔

[native canyon]

@marsh spoke

[wicked oracle]

That shit got me through the final boss, the true one

[faint berry]

Wanderer THE WORSE

[faint berry]

THATS WHAT IAM THINKING

[native canyon]

I keep fucking dying to winged nosk I'm so fucking washed

[terse hull]

Dayum, if i did that, can i go backk to the main?

[wicked oracle]

YOU THE WORSE /j

[marsh spoke]

do i play yurislop or womangem

[undone gate]

I think you should be able to go back

[undone gate]

I don't understand why Winged Nosk hitboxes are horrible

[native canyon]

womangem

[marsh spoke]

stp it is

[patent heath]

What was the yurislop?

[marsh spoke]

this game

[tulip mango]

what is womangem and yurislop?

[vivid raptor]

Mooshka vs Grubfather in a fight who would win

[nova vale]

I wish there was regional pricing for my country then i would have got it myself. Seriously guys if anyone can help. I will be really thankful.

[orchid locust]

yurislop = silksong, womangem = slay the princess

[native canyon]

as far as I'm concerned stp is yurigem

[tulip mango]

definitely mooshka

[wicked oracle]

Has Grubdad eaten his children yet?

If grubdad has eaten his children he would win, if not mooska would win

[vivid raptor]

[tulip mango]

silksong then

[orchid locust]

nah you gotta hop on slay the princess

[patent heath]

All games are better than Silkslop.

[tulip mango]

he can't even move after eating them.. mooshka easy win

[native canyon]

this channel would somehow find a way to hate on slay the princess

[marsh spoke]

no they can't because it would require reading

[native canyon]

true...

[terse hull]

uhh

[orchid locust]

slay the princess is just readingslop

[patent heath]

Visual slop.

[marsh spoke]

fuck i love this fucking soundtrack. off to stp goodbye

[native canyon]

slay the princess is qualityslop

[wicked oracle]

Nono if grubdad ate his children he could roll over Mooska and crush him, but if he hasn't they would be equal weights and mooska would win due to his superior agility

[orchid locust]

slay the princess more like slay the midcess

[patent heath]

You only enjoy it because it's good.

[undone gate]

I don't fully know about Auto Saves other than they exist I haven't even used it

[gusty igloo]

hellooo

[patent heath]

Hi.

[orchid locust]

bonjour

[glacial kelp]

i would never play slop

[wicked oracle]

But here's another question. Who's the better father?

[gusty igloo]

im bored and i feel terrible

[glacial kelp]

hellor terra

[gusty igloo]

crawfather

[wicked oracle]

Hell yeah, CrowDaddy ftw

[gusty igloo]

what did you say

[wicked oracle]

Crow. Daddy.

[patent heath]

Ftw.

[gusty igloo]

fuck the what

[wicked oracle]

Hang on is that against the rules?

[tulip mango]

[patent heath]

For the win.

[orchid locust]

evga geforce gtx 1080 ftw

[gusty igloo]

i know im just being silly

[tulip mango]

i don't think so

[wicked oracle]

Kay, thanks Crow Daddy ftw

I saw that.

[vivid raptor]

Saw what

[wicked oracle]

The twerking grub, Malachite.

[wicked oracle]

I saw it

[unkempt mantle]

Who’s a better mother, White Lady or GMS?

[vivid raptor]

[wicked oracle]

THERE IT IS

[wicked oracle]

Don't let it get away!

[patent heath]

Is this even a choice?

[prisma terrace]

Grub daddy is the best daddy

[unkempt mantle]

Yeah. Somehow it’s GMS…

[wicked oracle]

HAHAHAHA

[vivid raptor]

Seriously I love these stickers

[wicked oracle]

fuck

[patent heath]

Literally no.

[wicked oracle]

White lady was a good mother to Hornet

[orchid locust]

white lady had 1 child who liked her, gms has 0

[native canyon]

no the fuck it isn't

white lady had problems but gms is genuinely a child abuser

[unkempt mantle]

I forgot about that.

[hoary valve]

Which tool is best for skarrsinger karmalita

[tulip mango]

tacks

cog flies

[wicked oracle]

She thought the vessels were what needed to happen, she didn't even know they were sentient. She's no saint, but she earns a lot of sympathy from me for in spite and because of all she's done.

[hoary valve]

Ok thx

[lofty shell]

flintslate

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silksong-hollow-knight-hk-beast-gif-7167947808925894620

[vivid raptor]

What a beast

[tulip mango]

oh wait

[vivid raptor]

Gonna try and master beast crest after I unlock it

[unkempt mantle]

I was thinking about how White Lady let an untold number of vessel’s die. GMS at least saved Lace gave every once of her life to protect her, even after Law betrayed her.

[hoary valve]

Ok tysm

[tulip mango]

she had to do it to save the kingdom

[native canyon]

she gets an excuse because she had no foresight and ultimately regretted it while pale king could see it ultimately was futile and his dying thoughts were literally "no cost too great"

[native canyon]

yeah uh she still abused lace

[lofty shell]

white lady is someone who would let an untold number of vessels die to save the kingdom
grand mother silk is someone who would let the kingdom die to save lace

[native canyon]

this is something I'm probably gonna explore in my fic actually

yeah gms risked everything to protect lace but it was too little too late

[light galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-bell-beast-hornet-i-fucking-love-my-dog-gif-16253163473145257201

[trail holly]

okay guys i have a joke

[unkempt mantle]

I’m pretty sure the the Pale King also regretted his actions.

[trail holly]

what do you call

a russian hornet

[wicked oracle]

Regardless of whether it was justified or not, the fact that she's not the best person is what makes her intresting

[native canyon]

yes but he still kept justifying himself until the very end

he could foresee it was for nothing and still went through with it

[light galleon]

What's the answer

[wicked oracle]

what?

[unkempt mantle]

It was his only option.

[patent heath]

Beel Beast > Old Stag.

[trail holly]

hornyet

[rich herald]

the guy who slaughtered a bunch of children felt bad about it guys 🥺

[wicked oracle]

heh

[native canyon]

he had no options and he could see that

[lofty shell]

bell beast would protect you from a bug devouring giant centipede monster
all old stag did was take you to his home

[light swan]

i wonder what bosses i’ll even do the new rdac chain against

[unkempt mantle]

My guess is that he didn’t foresee himself growing attached to the Hollow Knight and thus imprinting a will on them. He only realized it was useless after they sealed the PV away.

[patent heath]

I have fallen off the deep end in this regard.
What if he foresaw TK returning to Hallownest and everything he did was according to that foresight?

[rich herald]

the whole point of the vessels thing is that was hopeless and futile from the getgo
it was a horrible plan doomed to fail in every regard ever

[patent heath]

True.

[wicked oracle]

I love that theory man

[light swan]

the more i think about it, despite being easier it’s just less available

[grizzled turtle]

we don't know about the extent of his foresight ability
it may not be limitless

[patent heath]

Thanks.

[light swan]

whereas the old rdac chain is universal

[native canyon]

HE GETS NO CREDIT FOR DREAM NO MORE

[lusty orchid]

Pale king is stupid

[grizzled turtle]

it only happens to hornet/ghost when they see their own death

[trail holly]

i firmly believe that tpk's foresight was extremely limited

[light galleon]

If this is true, then We get no indication of this

[cerulean sable]

Silksong X Monster Energy...

[grizzled turtle]

yeah

[light galleon]

Same

[lusty orchid]

The pollow knight

[patent heath]

That's the only theory I could come up with to make sense of the fact that he has foresight.
Because it is genuinely so questionable lol.

[unkempt mantle]

I think his foresight is more like, idea based or vague and cryptic. Otherwise, he would know who the true vessel would be from his foresight.

[native canyon]

idk pretty dune inspired so I'm using that as reference

[patent heath]

That's why it's a theory.

[wicked oracle]

It was! And that is what makes it all so cool. He's a dying (metaphorically) king vainly grasping his domain, as gods are want to do!

[light galleon]

Gotta have some evidence though imo

[grizzled turtle]

I think his foresight only let him see his own death

[wicked oracle]

Hello 1# steel city fan

[native canyon]

I love the recurring theme of pale beings attempting to defy and pervert nature only for it to end up destroying them in the end

[rich herald]

no actually my new theory is that greyroot is the roaring knight

[light galleon]

Yes that's me

[grizzled turtle]

hell the respawning looks a lot like foresight
hornet/ghost's heads pop up like they awoke from a bad dream

[patent heath]

Then it doesn't stay a theory and becomes something implied by the narrative imo.

[rich herald]

I have no evidence to support this claim

[patent heath]

This is like.
Literally confirmed????

[unkempt mantle]

Not just that, but he was trying to protect his subjects. Part of thy the vessel were made was because the PK specifically wanted the weight of the sins and sacrifice solely in the hands of the royal family, not their people.

[light galleon]

Who is the roaring knight?

[young saffron]

We all wish for a king like pale king

[wicked oracle]

YEAH! YEAH!!!!! He's FUCKED I love him AND the white lady

[native canyon]

too many people disguise analysis as theory

[patent heath]

Will I get ostracized for saying I love the Pale King as a character?

[patent heath]

True.

[lofty shell]

pale king is an amazing character

[wicked oracle]

If you do I am right there with you

[patent heath]

Reallllll.

[unkempt mantle]

I think SS reveals just how amazing of a character he actually is.

[rich herald]

pale king is great as a character not as a guy obvs but most people are able to make that distinction

[rose finch]

if youre not one of his kids he was probably a goated ass king

[lusty orchid]

Hell nah

[wicked oracle]

Exactly, Exactly.

[native canyon]

no he's incredible I think every pale being in this series is phenomenally written

[lofty shell]

who is more evil
pale king or the weavers

[rich herald]

uh well neither are Evil

[patent heath]

The Weavers.

[wicked oracle]

aw god

[native canyon]

my personal favorite is gms but if someone said pk or white lady was their favorite character I wouldn't blame them

[light galleon]

The Weavers

They ruined the lives of everyone in pharloom for years just so they could have their own freedom

[rich herald]

but weavers hurt more people

[unkempt mantle]

He’s a great ruler that in a see of selfish pale beings, actually cares about them. Not everything he does is perfect, but he truly is the perfect representation of a “king”.

[rich herald]

so i say weavers are “more evil”

[trail holly]

oh my god youre him

[patent heath]

He is genuinely very fun to talk about. Also probably the most difficult character to talk about, not gonna lie.

[lusty orchid]

Whos him

[lofty shell]

ngl
khann is underrated as a character

[native canyon]

bug paul atreides

[lusty orchid]

😭

[light swan]

pale king is my favorite character throughout both games

[patent heath]

Don't know who that is.

[light swan]

with lace coming at a far second

[strange comet]

Hello smorgasbords

[hybrid flare]

the tragedy of the pale king

[native canyon]

protagonist of dune

[rose finch]

weavers are a bunch of whiny manchildren that ruined everything for everyone else then ran away pale king just did what had to be done

[unkempt mantle]

He’s not my favorite, but I have appreciated him a lot more after Silksong.

[patent heath]

I see.

[hybrid flare]

and the abortion legalization of hallownest

[light galleon]

Exactly

[vivid raptor]

[hybrid flare]

They had their reasons, but they were still selfish

[native canyon]

"did what had to be done" gross misreading of the vessel plan

[lofty shell]

die

[steep quiver]

If some godhome thing comes for silksong
What bosses y'all think will be the hardest to Radiant or whatever the name will be

[wicked oracle]

I also love how hornet doesn't like him. I like PK, I like Hornet, Hornet hates PK. It's all very fun

[foggy fossil]

FREE MONEY 🤑

[rich herald]

media comprehension moment

[rose finch]

what the hell was bro supposed to do it was either that or death

[trail holly]

tpk is canonically woke

[foggy fossil]

hey where did my bank account go

[native canyon]

the vessel plan was unnecessary and cruel and bore no fruit, it was the desperate and dying throes of a king trying to hold onto power

[patent heath]

Unraveled will be one of them.

[lofty shell]

<@&283547423706447872>

[native canyon]

yeah pale king died anyways and hallownest with him

[sharp tundra]

Lays

[trail holly]

if tpk implemented the first amendment hallownest probably couldve stayed up a few more centuries

[quartz needle]

After months, the first sub 50 speedrun has finally been achieved by imCYV. Insane. definetely the last minute barrier (NOT MINE)

[rose finch]

he did everything he could for his kingdom until his death

[patent heath]

It was kinda his only option, to be fair. But I guess that's because he didn't have either the time to explore more options or enough knowledge of the he was doing.

[trail holly]

ooohhhh

[wicked oracle]

Oh shit, nice

[plucky stag]

last 10 minute barrier for sure

but this game is only 4 months old, don't count out speedrunners to figure something out even faster

[glacial kelp]

epstein files split

[native canyon]

he slaughtered thousands of his own children pointlessly

[rose finch]

what are these names 😭

[patent heath]

Insane.

[quartz needle]

im a spedrunner myself, had bronze for a while. this IS the last minute barrier

[trail holly]

hey wait i know you

[rose finch]

the weavers slaughtered everyone else's children then dipped

[native canyon]

this is fucking insane

[unkempt mantle]

It was a necessity. The reason the plan failed wasn’t because the PK is some idiot. It’s because he accidentally bonded with PV. His mistake was loving his child.

[plucky stag]

never say never though, what if a big skip or some tech is found

[quartz needle]

thats not happenign for key route

[plucky stag]

although i will concede we probably aren't getting a sub 40 any time soon

[patent heath]

Isn't the TAS at like, 45 minutes?
We are so close to the TAS, damn.

[steep quiver]

If I have the pantheon of pharloom mod on silk song steel soul and I lose in a pantheon do I die forever or they made it so u dont

[native canyon]

if it could succeed the plan narratively sucks

[sharp tundra]

Didnt gms slaughtered her own kids

[native canyon]

a pure vessel should be impossible

[patent heath]

Also, this is Phantom route or Bell route?

[glacial kelp]

bell is faster right

[unkempt mantle]

That’s literally one of the endings though?

[lofty shell]

test it

[quartz needle]

release patch wormways/key route

[patent heath]

But PK didn't really know that. Become his knowledge on Void wasn't sufficient enough.

[native canyon]

which one, the hollow knight?

[patent heath]

Ah. I see.

[native canyon]

I understand

[lofty shell]

copy your steel soul file
then test it in the copied file

[rose finch]

the entire weaver story hinges on gms being a bad mom but we literally never see her doing anything that bad, we just see the others complaining

[trail holly]

tpk technically just exercised abortion

[prime hound]

About pilby rhe lil pilgrim
I held off on doing the terrible tyrant quest cuz i didmt want him to die

I havent reached the dialogue with him where he tell you his name

Ive come back after reaching the citidal and hes missing

Can i find him somewhere else or is he gone now

[trail holly]

https://tenor.com/view/pov-someone-ships-you-with-a-boy-someone-ships-you-with-a-boy-sxph1eegg-animation-corny-gif-13467692590307724356

[native canyon]

the knight isn't pure

[rich herald]

If you mean thk ending the knight is not a pure vessel oh my goodness gracious

[foggy fossil]

it was already unavoidable as seen by his foresight
either he saw something else
the plan was pretty pointless

[rich herald]

Its hollow. Not pure. It has an idea instilled. Several even

[sharp tundra]

She threw phantom to exhaust organ

[wicked oracle]

He should be at Pilgrim's Rest

[unkempt mantle]

Sealed Siblings is the plan succeeding as the PK envisioned it. The Knight is truly hollow (void heart), and the temple is sealed (by Hornet as a Dreamer).

[native canyon]

THAT ONE'S EVEN WORSE

[prime hound]

Thank you

[glacial kelp]

i really need to check the newer any% routes

[trail holly]

being truly hollow literally means just being dead lowk

[native canyon]

VOID HEART IS LITERALLY THE KNIGHT HAVING A WILL

[rich herald]

literally

Did we forget the very description of the charm 😭

[lofty shell]

all endings are canon
but they are all kinda just alternate timelines
doesn't mean every ending leads to silksong
sealed siblings obviously can't

[trail holly]

even prevoidheart knight had a will by like walking

[rose finch]

she saw her daughter was into playing the organ and pushed her to follow her passion, how kind of her 🥰

[foggy fossil]

description of voidheart literally says "unites the void under the bearer's will"

[wicked oracle]

Void Heart charm description: "An emptiness that was hidden within, now unconstrained. Unifies the void under the bearer's will."

[lofty shell]

or helping others in need

[trail holly]

or opening a bank account

[native canyon]

A PURE VESSEL IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CAN'T CREATE A HOLLOW LIFE THAT'S WHY IT'S SO THEMATICALLY GOOD

[trail holly]

bro if the vessels cant have voices why can the knight use abyss shriek

[glacial kelp]

‘under the bearers will’ well what if the void isnt unified fully

[rich herald]

and beating up the fraud bankteller

[trail holly]

yes

[wicked oracle]

No will to break was one of the biggest criteria to have a pure vessel

[rose finch]

the vessel plan was doomed from the start because to live is to have a will, the pale king's biggest mistake was that he couldnt see that

[glacial kelp]

theyre politely asking the abyss to do it for them

[trail holly]

all of them were equally big criteria(s?)

[sharp tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/phantom-silksong-hollow-they-them-gif-9035642985040867451

[trail holly]

no but then that's a will [to ask]

[wicked oracle]

I said One of the biggest

[foggy fossil]

the knight has no mouth and must scream

[glacial kelp]

what if its just like good timing

[prime hound]

Hes not here

[glacial kelp]

have we considered that the knight is just very lucky

[wicked oracle]

Huh

[rich herald]

TRUE

[unkempt mantle]

I think the no will thing is a big confusing. I think the Knight is incorruptible despite having a will because the Knight becomes fully aligned with the void, and the Radiance can’t influence that.

[wicked oracle]

Not inside?

[native canyon]

I could probably make this about lace but I'd be crucified again

[prime hound]

Nope

[trail holly]

NEW THEORY:
The knight is hollow, his cloak is actually just like Dr strange's cloak, and it is the one doing the movements

[prime hound]

Do i need to kill the rhino thing first

[glacial kelp]

doesnt the void itself have a will

[wicked oracle]

I wanna hear your thoughts on lace

[unkempt mantle]

Yesn’t.

[native canyon]

only jibbities get to hear it

[rich herald]

when unified under voidheart yes

[vast citrus]

a person who thinks all the time

[rich herald]

otherwise it has no will and lashes out aimlessly

[wicked oracle]

[gloomy hill]

Karmelita
I love the frontstep

[prime hound]

I try triggering the rhino fight then see if he shows up

[glacial kelp]

is that the idea i guess

[sharp tundra]

i thought they werent hollow anymore

[rich herald]

thats why the void behaves like That when you dont have voidheart

[trail holly]

aww i wanna hear it

[steep quiver]

She was my most fun and hard boss

[wicked oracle]

He's gonna die if you do that

[trail holly]

wdym

[rich herald]

[foggy fossil]

and then a strange portal opens and the knight gets teleported to Avengers:Doomsday

[prime hound]

Hes not even here

[patent heath]

Never told me.

[sharp tundra]

Well instead of knight nosk we got shaw nosk

[trail holly]

hmm!

[wicked oracle]

Sorry, i meant if he shows up while the rhino happens he'll die

[gloomy hill]

oh no it's not because she is hard

[wicked oracle]

Think I missunderstood a little

[glacial kelp]

true where is lace nosk

[turbid anchor]

Isn't nosk dead?

[steep quiver]

She turns easy after some practice
U can parry so easy

[rich herald]

loam… is nosk?!?!?!?!

[glacial kelp]

and phantom nosk

[rich herald]

I’m… I’m going to spread the word.

[glacial kelp]

doesnt have to be

[foggy fossil]

i wanna play as loam

[sharp tundra]

And nosk takes the form of the bugs loved ones
i think

[native canyon]

this reminds me I literally just killed nosk sorry oomf

[rich herald]

loam is so tuff

[steep quiver]

Who is loam afain

[wicked oracle]

On a related note, did Styx get got by a nosk?

[rich herald]

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO ME

[glacial kelp]

not a real one

[half vector]

what happened to the mist?

[gloomy hill]

still gonna be the hardest

[half vector]

i need proper answers

[glacial kelp]

lost

[turbid anchor]

Oh alr. But it would be terrifying if we has a Giant Flea Nosk

[foggy fossil]

bug npc in the underworks

[native canyon]

I keep butchering all my oomfs

[unkempt mantle]

It got lost in the mist.

[prime hound]

Can i kill the rhino before he shows up

When i opened the door there the rhino first is i opened the door them emmideately died
The rhino never showed up again after that

[vast citrus]

why does it look like that

[prime hound]

Ive cleared out the shop there too

[trail holly]

you encountered phantom.

[steep quiver]

The horse

[unkempt mantle]

Don’t body shame him. That’s rude.

[glacial kelp]

they could honestly be related it wouldnt be that crazy

[wicked oracle]

Horhe

[native canyon]

brb need to procrasinate cleaning by writing an analysis of what I think of lace's story

[half vector]

pleaseee

[rich herald]

Do NOT opp on my goat

[wicked oracle]

Okay, then I got nothin

[native canyon]

I'm also still fucking exhausted I had a second cup of coffee and my eyebags only feel heavier

[prime hound]

Darn

[foggy fossil]

pale ore
pale oil
what's next
pale shit??

[sharp tundra]

Do yall think if hornet encounters a nosk will it be a flea

[zealous tangle]

Am I stupid or do we still not know if sk is prequel or sequel?

[glacial kelp]

enter: white defender

[prime hound]

Pale wood for zotes sword

[wicked oracle]

That's what we call Palestag

[sharp tundra]

after hk

[gloomy hill]

parry is not saving you from frontstep

[edgy gulch]

pale air

[zealous tangle]

Is that confirmed?

[glacial kelp]

is this about karm again

[foggy fossil]

yea

[sharp tundra]

it becomes a shade lord at the end
And it appears in sk

[zealous tangle]

Ic

[gloomy hill]

yes lmao

[undone gate]

Her repositioning can cause you to take contact damage

[gloomy hill]

frontstep is always about karm

[glacial kelp]

classic hunter discussion topic

cant believe karm is a repo reaper

[gloomy hill]

anyway I gotta go finish my chem notes by

[rich herald]

goobye huntr

[glacial kelp]

bi bi

[vague knoll]

did anyone else notice that the skarr are kinda racist

[glass oracle]

Same fight different font

[unkempt mantle]

The prequel thing was only a pre-release theory to explain TC’s comment on every ending being canon. However, SS is definitely a sequel, and they seemingly have gone back on every ending being canon.

[gloomy hill]

rad is infinitely cooler

[lusty orchid]

Pale orb

[lofty shell]

hot take: normal radiance was kinda mid
way too slow and easy

[patent heath]

The font looks the same to me?

[glass oracle]

This take is ice cold I struggled like crazy on radiance

[gloomy hill]

TRUE

[lusty orchid]

Gms is that but even easier

[sharp tundra]

what if there was a king that was pale
And gives birth to childeren just to throw them

[glacial kelp]

go do your chem silly

[undone gate]

It's still a really fun boss it's more just grand than hard

[patent heath]

Didn't you need to make chem notes?

[lofty shell]

i did cursed ending as my first ever ending in silksong
she took me a day to beat

[glass oracle]

Yea acc gms is lwk sm easier

[wicked oracle]

why.

[glass oracle]

Just straight up spoiling me

[lusty orchid]

Beating abs rad took me multiple days

[undone gate]

GMS isin't even the True Final Boss

[glass oracle]

Excuse me

[honest veldt]

Peak masochist

[terse hull]

time to refight yessir

[lusty orchid]

Whos saying she is

[gloomy hill]

cosmic rare skill issue moment??

[glass oracle]

Me💔

[wicked oracle]

If you don't want spoilers you shouldn't be here

[lofty shell]

its on you because
you are in a channel where you are bound to be spoiled
we talk about basically all things in silksong
if you want a channel where you won't be spoiled
go to #sk-help

[sharp tundra]

Pretty sure we will get one when its name covers the whole screen

[lusty orchid]

Sherma dies lil bro

[undone gate]

Your comparing her with Radience who is a True Final Boss

[honest veldt]

Exactly, this is

[glass oracle]

...THATS THIS CHANNEL

[lusty orchid]

Read the whole conversation then talk

[glass oracle]

This is reminding me of "Qurell dies in hk!!"

Just unneeded deaths💔

[lusty orchid]

Nah shermas death was needed

[honest veldt]

Rip Quirrel my goat

[lofty shell]

gms can actually put up a fight when you don't know anything about her moveset and when you are doing a no tool no healing with only needle 1

[glass oracle]

I went back to that spot to talk to him btw...

[honest veldt]

Quirrel is the greatest NPC of both games

[lusty orchid]

Worst

[patent heath]

Grimm exists.

Second Sentinel exists.

[vague knoll]

what about seth

[gloomy hill]

[glass oracle]

Hot take: Hunter crest best crest oat

[lusty orchid]

Cold take

[wicked oracle]

I think if you need help w/ silksong without major spoilers you should be in #sk-help

[turbid anchor]

Well that boss absolutely beaten my ass and yet I can't hate on em.

[wicked oracle]

I new here though not entirely sure

[patent heath]

It's pogo is definitely the best one.

[glass oracle]

If I think abt it I didn't even know radiance was a thing until I got spoilers so ig I lwk need em

[lofty shell]

reaper crest is the worst crest in silksong

[glass oracle]

Hot take

[lusty orchid]

Coldest take ever

[glass oracle]

PREACH TO THE CHOIR

[wicked oracle]

amen, slow ass thing

[gloomy hill]

cold ass take

[lusty orchid]

Ong

[cunning geode]

any take about crests is a cold take this channel argues about crests nonstop

[glass oracle]

BEST crest oat man

[lusty orchid]

Crestslop

[wicked oracle]

It's pogo can be quite quite gamebreaking tho, and it's run attack can be litterally gamebreaking

[clear ingot]

hot take reaper crest is best crest

[vague knoll]

at this point you could probably make an entire channel for crest talk

[cunning geode]

hell no

[lusty orchid]

If tc gave a crest the most boring gameplay ever combined with lowest dps by far and worst heal there would still be people that defends that crest

[wicked oracle]

Ay wth

[golden karma]

Why was this deleted

[wicked oracle]

What was that

[glacial kelp]

crestism

[clear ingot]

tier list of crests

[fiery burrow]

Probably for the interesting tier names

[wicked oracle]

That was in rather poor taste

[gloomy hill]

here is hot crest take, TC should make a crest that objectively outclasses every crest regardless of playstyle it should be so good that everyone uses it and make it the starter crest

[wicked oracle]

You'd say that wouldn't you "Hunter" /j

[glass oracle]

so just Hunter crest

[foggy fossil]

hunter is there✌

[glacial kelp]

vesticrest is the best crest

[fiery burrow]

Woah based nausicaa pfp

[orchid locust]

who's winning ⁉️

[gloomy hill]

playstyle affects people to not use it

[lusty orchid]

Pale king by like couple million points bro

[foggy fossil]

broodmother is lowkey an underdog

[patent heath]

Crazy tier names.

[cunning geode]

ahhh the stock medigun

[glass oracle]

I physically can't use the other ones

[vague knoll]

gms abused children that had more thought than pks so I think gms

[native canyon]

grand mother silk on a generational run tbh, while pale king committed mass infanticide, gms' abuse led to the destruction of an entire ecosystem and nearly destroyed pharloom

[glass oracle]

Does this mean I'm superior

[glacial kelp]

i use hunter now because of steel soul

[lofty shell]

guys
if pale king, grand mother silk, white lady, the hollow knight, the knight and hornet and grimm played roulette and betted 1 million rosaries
who would win?

[hoary valve]

Bro I die in like 2 seconds to skarrsinger karmalita in the second phase bruh

[glass oracle]

Grimm.

[wicked oracle]

Hornet, she would cheat

[vague knoll]

my first question is wheres pk spending that money

[glass oracle]

Grimm would slime them

[glacial kelp]

pale king produces a million children to bet on every slot

[glass oracle]

The Hallownest Strip Center

[unkempt mantle]

Oh my god… I just realized. The memorium is commentary on climate change/destruction. The Citadel is doing everything to try to preserve the biodiversity… Without solving the root cause of the destruction they are doing.

[wicked oracle]

Slime..?

[glass oracle]

Kill

[vague knoll]

[patent heath]

Grimm.

[glass oracle]

Wait why are u making sense