sk-discussion

[void moat]

other bosses use they/them in their hj, the most notable ones being groal and lugoli

it really isnt anything to base gender on imo

[clever sable]

i don't know if they have a canonical binary gender either?

[marsh spoke]

they don't

[wicked mason]

I think lugoli does

[clever sable]

for phantom and lugoli i have seen different people saying him, her, or them

ass jim vs ass jane lol

[wicked mason]

Lmao

Canonically tho, lugoli should be he him because in the server's emojis, you can find :AssJim: it's animated tho and I don't have Nitro so I can't use it

[clever sable]

i've also seen people argue nailmaster + sheo see each other as brothers

[hybrid root]

Honestly if I don’t know a boss’ gender in this game my default is female cuz like all of these bosses are 😭

[wicked mason]

Aren't they?

[clever sable]

that's not canonical lol that's a discord sever emoji

[wicked mason]

Isnt this the official server

[clever sable]

the achievement is literally called happy couple

[verbal trench]

in spanish translations of silksong i believe phantom and lugoli are referred to with feminine pronouns, but that's not really evidence of their gender and is likely just due to the limits of the spanish language

[marsh spoke]

lugoli doesnt have a gender ass jim was coined years before the game released

[verbal trench]

but they do have feminine presentations

[clever sable]

people will go to any lengths to avoid seeing the very explicit queer characters

[void moat]

we simply shouldnt use hj as a basis on gender is my point

[hybrid root]

Isn’t that more just the result of spanish’s grammatical structure?

[wicked mason]

Hold on, you mean paintmaster sheo+ nail forge guy, or the nail masters?

[marsh spoke]

we should stop using translations for genders because they're literally inconsistent between each other!

[verbal trench]

yeah that's why i said it's likely just due to the limitations of spanish and gender

guys read the last part of the message Please

[clever sable]

ah shit sorry yes i meant nailsmith not nailmaster

[marsh spoke]

lugoli has both masc and fem pronouns used for them in different translations

[wicked mason]

Yeah I was confused for a second

[clever sable]

i think i got mixed up with pinmaster plinny

[astral tartan]

FLEA IS BAD CHNAGE MY MIND

[verbal trench]

but i'm going to consider phantom lugoli and groal genderless because queer representation is Awesome

[trail holly]

fleas are awesome

[astral tartan]

Kratt exists

[clever sable]

who i was very surprised to learn had a female partner who died lol

rare tc straight couple

[verbal trench]

rare straight couple found in the hollow knight universe

[summer shell]

Yeah well grub #23 also exists he’s worse then Kratt

[clever sable]

ew kratt

[orchid locust]

my real life headcanon is that team cherry just throws in different pronouns in different translations to confuse the community

[wicked mason]

How the hell do u know them by number

[clever sable]

they don't do the translations themselves

[summer shell]

I’m very close with all the grubs

[clever sable]

notoriously the outsourced mandarin one was terrible and they got a lot of flak for it

[orchid locust]

they do actually ari gibson just knows every language that is and has ever been spoken by humanity

[verbal trench]

kratt is a fucking weirdo man WHY does he peek inside while hornet is in his spa. i only noticed it while watching a friend play

[sharp slate]

My soul hurts, cross stitch is too powerful holy, this is my first karmalita fight with cross stitch because i avidly hate this thing with a passion its so strong

[verbal trench]

yeah cross stitch kinda makes a lot of fights trivial it's insane

[wicked mason]

Alrighg dude

[verbal trench]

whuh oh

[clever sable]

hornet has excellent willpower to not simply stab all the creeps

we murder the green prince but not krstt or grindle

[verbal trench]

anyways it's why i'm choosing not to use it for steel soul since i do want to get better with silk spear

[clever sable]

sad

[hybrid root]

Will be my savior when we get godhome 2

[trail holly]

why does grindle try to creep hornet again

[summer shell]

I should’ve used cross stitch earlier, I thought it was bad till after I finished the game

[wicked mason]

When the homophobic hornet:

[orchid locust]

grindle isn’t a creep he js wants to steal 💔 💔 💔

[verbal trench]

because she has goodies and grindle wants them

[marsh spoke]

cross stitch is basically ddark 2

[void moat]

hornet doesnt hide her racism OR homophobia

[verbal trench]

grindle's just a greedy bastard he's alright in my book

[trail holly]

only kratt is weird

[summer shell]

He looks silly enough to be ok

[trail holly]

stupid too he viewed from the top

[wicked mason]

Doesnt care about getting cancelled, legendary

[verbal trench]

i also really like the noise grindle makes when he hops down at his shop

[hybrid root]

Does barbed bracelet increase silk skill damage?

[astral tartan]

RAAAAAAA FLEAS ARE SO BAD BECAUSE THEY UNRESISTALBLE

[clever sable]

i don't believe so

[verbal trench]

i think it only affects needle damage

[summer shell]

What hk/sk video should I watch

[void moat]

i wish we got more lore on greymoor lowkey, from what we got it is very cool

[hybrid root]

Lame

[wicked mason]

10% increase right?

[verbal trench]

watch skurry's playthrough, they're always entertaining

[marsh spoke]

only thing that affects silk skill damage is volt filament and shaman crest

[verbal trench]

i'm pretty sure it's like, 50%

[marsh spoke]

25%

[clever sable]

nail 3 rosary farming at grand bellway, you need a silk spear + 1 hit for the soldier regardless of whether you have barbs on

[verbal trench]

ah 25

[clever sable]

nerfed lots since hollow knight

[wicked mason]

Cant be that high lol

[hollow yarrow]

lowk its not that bad compared to others, but the far field's merchant deserves some hate. charging 30 rosaries per entrance to already weary pilgrims

[verbal trench]

< very smart

[summer shell]

Oh yeah they just did silksong as a knight I haven’t seen that yet

[clever sable]

all the charms were op

[marsh spoke]

barbed bracelet isnt nerfed because its not the strength equivalent

[clever sable]

same with shamans

[verbal trench]

skurry uses they/them

[wicked mason]

Oh alright, still not worth taking 4 damage for tho

[clever sable]

slurry is also nonbinary

[marsh spoke]

the actual strength equivalent is flintslate

[summer shell]

Oop sorry

[verbal trench]

slurry 😭

[clever sable]

i respect pronouns but not proper nouns 💪

[marsh spoke]

its a win more tool

[orchid locust]

skurrsinger

[wicked mason]

Meant for pro speedruns

[verbal trench]

barbed is only really good if you really know what you're doing

[marsh spoke]

if youre eating shit at a bossfight its not going to help out but if youre already good its an extra bonus to completely annihilate everything

[clever sable]

is anyone using it for speedruns currently?

possibly 100%

fury was super easy to get in hk but barbs is out of the way for most cats i believe

[wicked mason]

Dont think so I don't remember where it's even located lol

[marsh spoke]

sinners road but its too off the beaten path to be worth getting for any%

[rocky token]

yay i got my 6th mask

[sharp slate]

btw chomp

[wicked mason]

If it takes too long to get I don't think anyone's gonna be using that in the near future

[inland latch]

is wanderer really as good as people say

[marsh spoke]

kinda

[hollow yarrow]

silly

[weary estuary]

woah it's chomp

[marsh spoke]

wanderer is basically the slop of crests since it gives good results for barely any effort

[verbal trench]

is getting the first 2 needle upgrades actually optimal for silksong speedruns?

[summer shell]

Uh uh uh uh I need to use cross stitch

[verbal trench]

for any% at least

[void moat]

reaper crest is for cool kids only

[wicked mason]

Legit needs a nerf to the damage output or the silk gain

[clever sable]

no, first 1 is optimal but getting the vaults pale oil is slower

[verbal trench]

ah okay

[sharp slate]

it is insanely strong

[verbal trench]

i just remember watching a blue speedrun and seeing him go for vaults pale oil

[sharp slate]

"i dont like this crest so its slop"

[clever sable]

it's a safety strat, any% wr did for like the first week because consistency made up for the small timeloss

[marsh spoke]

i think witch just needs a buff and itll be fine

[clever sable]

but currently not worth now that they're fast and consistent even with low damage

[marsh spoke]

wanderer really isnt that good once you look at needle and overall dps

[wicked mason]

Witch does feel kind of slow but what does that have to do with wanderer

[inland latch]

what build do u use early game and late game

[wicked mason]

Isnt it the 2nd highest dps

[hollow yarrow]

[marsh spoke]

witch is currently the same as wanderer in maximum* dps but needs to put in like 300x more effort to get wanderer dps

[marsh spoke]

behind beast and hunter in needle, its at hell if you take everything else in consideration

[verbal trench]

wanderer is really good for needle damage output but honestly a silk gain nerf would maybe make it more balanced with the other crests. though they would have to code in the ability to gain fractions of a silk thing

i don't think its damage output necessarily needs nerfed though

[worldly valve]

why does everyone keep saying wanderer isn't good guys what are we on about it's still basically quickslash it's still the easiest crest to use and get results with

[marsh spoke]

just buff witch to be better than wanderer if you put effort in it and then wanderer will be comfortable in the middle of needle performance

[limber jungle]

forcing myself to use architect
I want to fucking kill myself how do people genuinely like this crest

[limber jungle]

witch is already better than wandere

[worldly valve]

average architect user

[marsh spoke]

its not

unless you take the two reds in consideration witch is the same at best

[split cape]

Witch user tries a new crest for the first time

[limber jungle]

its okay you will grow to know wanderer is mid as fuck

[verbal trench]

architect is a tool-heavy crest

[lunar trout]

hello bugs

[limber jungle]

I play witch, shaman, reaper and hunter.....

[split cape]

https://tenor.com/view/fork-found-in-kitchen-fork-found-in-kitchen-edit-gif-14425799655335924125

[sharp slate]

"so mid" not like its one of the most consistent crests in the game

[worldly valve]

exactly what I'm saying

[verbal trench]

did you see it?

[marsh spoke]

anyways regardless of how good it is its boring and im not going to use it

[thin jewel]

Is faydown cloak nessescary for act 2 completion

[worldly valve]

no crest is bad other than maybe reaper and cursed crest

[marsh spoke]

architect and wanderer are bad cause theyre unbalanced

[thin jewel]

Nah all of them are good except cursed

[worldly valve]

reaper is just objectively ass

[sharp slate]

reaper isnt even bad its just not optimal dps, if you use it you can easily perform well still

[verbal trench]

wanderer is extremely consistently good but personally i don't like it only because i don't want silksong to just feel like hollow knight again

[sharp slate]

no its not lmfao

[thin jewel]

Its good for survivability

[thin jewel]

With the extra silk after binding

[verbal trench]

reaper is not ass but i think its passive binding ability needs a small buff

[worldly valve]

there's like 100 options way better than it why would you bring yourself to use it

[astral tartan]

I hate architect crest for no damn reason

[graceful oyster]

All crests are good, even the bad one

[worldly valve]

that you still have to go and collect btw the effect really isn't too good

[sharp slate]

not everything need to be PERFECTLY balanced

[marsh spoke]

οκ but it would be more fun if it did something

[graceful oyster]

Does anyone want to see my doodle of Sherma getting impaled by 2nd Sentinel

[heady iron]

Samurai crest is the best actually
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1408110084600627280/1421332084982677618/samurai.mp4?ex=694a0728&is=6948b5a8&hm=ebcecad0d47489f39502dcb9862dd69b5f8e3d1d1053f924048e2a6697971da5&

[keen mason]

it matches some people's slow playstyle

[orchid locust]

YES

[marsh spoke]

YES

[marsh spoke]

thank you grynne

[orchid locust]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO 🔥

[verbal trench]

what the FUCK

[worthy lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003935536211296277/1451541877554941993/SHERMAAAA-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[worldly valve]

reaper is meant to be an early game crest, nothing more, it's way worse than the others and that's fine but it's just not a good crest, of course you can make insane builds with sawtooth circlet and silk stall and whatever but it's just not good

[sharp slate]

did something what do you mean, its insanely good for survability

[limber jungle]

it has insane synergy with sawtooth I dont care what anyone says

[marsh spoke]

like everything that works on reaper works better on a crest with the same tool slots

[heady iron]

Can't beat this needle strike
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1408110084600627280/1421551903376019519/anime.mp4?ex=694a2b20&is=6948d9a0&hm=11565a7994614f199fbb1260ef533bbba6c13eed7bda742c1e2618ba28b35ff1&

[worldly valve]

YOU CANT RANK A CREST WITH A TOOL THO 😭

[marsh spoke]

like i dont know Hunter Crest

[worldly valve]

exactly

[limber jungle]

okay so by that logic shaman fucking sucks

[sharp slate]

you know thats going to apply to any crest thats the worse no matter how much they buff other crests, one will always have short end of the stick

oh you buffed reaper, now shamans the weakest, now buff shaman ect. ect.

[marsh spoke]

shaman is NOT the weakest

[worldly valve]

not if you're good enough to not need to heal I suppose

[sharp slate]

its an example... READ

[verbal trench]

if you can't rank a crest by its tool capabilities then architect loses its entire function

[somber ledge]

I beat the cogwork dancers! The last phase was kind of sad though 🙁 Also I am not in the citadel anymore?

Oh nvm, I'm back

[limber jungle]

its a slower hunter with more range id rather take tooless hunter with full evo than spelless shaman anyday

[worldly valve]

like not solely tho especially if it's circlet which literally all crests use except maybe shaman

[limber jungle]

why did I compare it to hunter am I fucking stupid I need sleep

[marsh spoke]

your point sucks because reaper clearly has a way shorter stick than the other crests. if you buffed it it wouldnt make a different crest suck instead it would just not suck

[worldly valve]

silk skills don't count as spells I'm using technicalities

don't count as tools*

[hollow yarrow]

ok but tbf, I think architect being so tool reliant does contribute against it because you can't always have the shards to architect in a normal playthrough

[sharp slate]

I honestly think any crest ranking that currently happens is all bullshit, the game hasnt been out long enough to actually do calcs in actual combat with all capabilities like circlet, red tools, and silk skills. It's insane people are parroting this stuff like the word of god about dps

[limber jungle]

so NOW we're bending the rules to make reaper seem completely useless
okay buddy

[light swan]

GUESS WHO GOT A NEW HITLESS SETH VIDEO (bright lights warning)

[marsh spoke]

next worst thing after reaper overall would probably be witch and that crest is fun as fuck and strong as fuck so it wouldnt mean shit

[worldly valve]

silk skills don't use shards tho, architect actively uses your money up that's a point against it for me

[rocky token]

wait so should i use reaper crest against the widow or no

[heady iron]

Luigi falling asleep gif

[light swan]

use what you’re good at!

[verbal trench]

try it out and see how you like it

[rocky token]

ive been fighting the widow for 2 hours

[limber jungle]

even if we were counting tools architect would still be at the bottom /j

[sharp slate]

use what you are used to or what you enjoy dont listen to the dps bullshit, it doesnt matter in the long run (experimenting can be fun as well)

[keen mason]

my eyeesssss

[rocky token]

not including past 2 days

[light swan]

low-key had some questionable moments but the phase 3 and overall aggression put it above my old one i think

[keen mason]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[worldly valve]

use what you want tbf it's not like you'll be able to hit widow more than once at a time so reaper works

[craggy osprey]

Stop you're not supposed to give good answers! This isn't part of the script!

[limber jungle]

im trying to do a solo architect run and im genuinely wondering who thought it was a good idea to make achitect's main attack make you go forward a bit

[sharp slate]

well with wanderers you can 😎 (dont use wanderers, people will trash you because they are elitist)

[marsh spoke]

hunter can

[verbal trench]

i would use witch if they added an accessibility option that made its heal not so damn flashy

[worldly valve]

Just use what is fun for you

[mortal lichen]

Every witch crest video I see is
Step 1 - judgement cut
Step 2 - nuclear bomb
Step 3 - repeat steps 1 and 2 until the enemy is defeated

[limber jungle]

THIS
I WANT THIS TEAM CHERRY PLEASEEEEE

[marsh spoke]

hunter is probably the most fun crest to do widow with cause of the funny dash combo

[worldly valve]

this IS a single player game

[sharp slate]

nice video btw

[light swan]

isnt judgement cut a parry idk

[limber jungle]

scum

[light swan]

thanks !!

[limber jungle]

no 😭

[light swan]

i want to redo and get more binds in my videos

[heady iron]

The only reason people like wanderer is because it's good

If it didn't have that going for it then people wouldn't play it as much

[worldly valve]

I vouch on behalf of the photosensible bugs of pharloom

[mortal lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-gif-25306498

[light swan]

whats judgement cut then the only judgement cut i’ve player is a parry

[heady iron]

Goodslop

[sharp slate]

the main reason new players use wanderers is the reason they use reapers, because of its pogo

[light swan]

LOL literally witch crest

[verbal trench]

like witch crest looks so fucking cool and i would love to get good at it but HOLY FUCK

[sharp slate]

i guarentee you if wanderers had hunters pogo any wanderer players would use reapers as well (at least in first playthroughs)

[light swan]

they like it cuz it’s fast p much

[limber jungle]

judgement cut is a charged attack on verbal that does ranged damage
judgement cuts can be chained together

[light swan]

i’m making a guide on wirch crest rn

[limber jungle]

thats jc end smh

[keen mason]

Shaw

[rocky token]

whats witch crest

[light swan]

so far it’s 4 minutes long im expecting 7 minutes in the end

[worldly valve]

epilepsy crest

[verbal trench]

i would rather Not get my pupils stabbed every time i want to heal

[mortal lichen]

there's multiple steps?

[sharp slate]

its looks really cool but looks painful to be consistent in

[marsh spoke]

no its because of the overall moveset

[light swan]

you’ll find out later i don’t wanna spoil you

[marsh spoke]

most people use reaper until longclaw

[limber jungle]

no, the move is just called "judgement cut end"

[keen mason]

whatsapp carmel?

[light swan]

nah not really at all tbh

[worldly valve]

it's the one you get from abortion

[sharp slate]

i highly doubt that, the side slash is hated by alot of people because it cant hit flying enemies

[mortal lichen]

they come for the easy pogo and stay for the rediculous attack speed

[light swan]

it’s just because of the way i play but the crest itself is normal

[sharp slate]

intresting, might try it for myself for fun then

[rocky token]

what

[verbal trench]

don't worry about it for now

[worldly valve]

I wish I was kidding

[young saffron]

coral tower speedrun WR

[light swan]

the fancy tech is very consistent except for rdac chains and warding bell

[sharp slate]

basically, reason people dont stick with reapers is they swap to something else because it falls off, wanderers doesnt fall off (thats not a bad thing thats good design) like hunters doesnt fall off

[light swan]

because it’s just pogo but better, dash attack but better, and threadstorm but better

[mortal lichen]

having a high attack speed is very powerful in a game where your power level is entirely dependant on how many attacks you land

[wary raptor]

I’ve had this for days and man don’t get me wrong I love mr mushroom but what even is this

[light swan]

i never swapped off reaper until i got witch but i’m starting to realize i’m not normal

[mortal lichen]

reaper never falls off, it just sucks in general

[worldly valve]

directions

[limber jungle]

forced myself to use architect, my opinion on it has changed dramatically

[sharp slate]

i highly disagree, its insanely strongh for an early game playthrough, imo it falls off later as you increase in skill

[glossy kayak]

Hints of locations where you should find him

[limber jungle]

reaper combos are sick asf though tbh......

[mortal lichen]

it's not strong, it just has a big pogo that's still kind of bad because of how slow it is

[keen mason]

i like wanderer Purely because of the hitspeed i have no issue with any pogos even beasts is fine

[wary raptor]

Oh

[sharp slate]

have you used wanderers late game? how does it fall off lol

[sharp slate]

im not saying its strong im just saying its not ass, its a solid crest still imo, just not as good as the others

if 6 chefs make me good dishes the worst one isnt ass imo because its the worst

[light swan]

i think saying crests tell off give it the sssumption that they get bad when really they’re still good just outclassed

the assumption is the problem here

[limber jungle]

learning that clawline is actually kinda broken
wanderer isn't bad but I think as you increase in skill the need for it falls off a bit

[marsh spoke]

"weaaker" and its 82 dps

[verbal trench]

dps this dps that

[limber jungle]

because every single enemy in the game will stand still and do jack shit!!!!

[marsh spoke]

it gives you extra range

[sharp slate]

clawline can apply to any crest though? As you get better you can put in more flintslate hits with wanderers additionall you generate more silk for silkskills which do alot of damage and are defensive as well depending on your pick

[mortal lichen]

the enemy does not need to stand still

[rocky token]

the widow is so annoying bro her seond phase is just vietnam

[sharp slate]

grand reed dps ah beautiful

[verbal trench]

how about you dps me a quesadilla de pollo con salsa calor

[rocky token]

1st phase is easy but her second phase feels impossible even with 6 masks

[mortal lichen]

I think the only real weakness that beast crest has is its inability to attack things below it

[marsh spoke]

you dont need a grand reed for this damage

[limber jungle]

just dash downward and clawline like a badass

[glossy kayak]

Reaper above wanderer?

[limber jungle]

just beat the game with JUST clawline actually

[sharp slate]

yea, but my point is all these dps numbers just dont matter because theres more context missing

[marsh spoke]

1. this is the game about moving around you can move to the enemy 2) it gives you 20% extra range

[limber jungle]

sawtooth circlet is kinda fire with it

[light swan]

are you thomas alt

[limber jungle]

who tf is thomas

[silver nacelle]

Yay! Shaman at the top!

[light swan]

witch crest user who loves clawline

[sharp slate]

tools, silk skills, the ability to hit the enemy ect all are factors in dps (that depend on crest and stuff equipped)

[marsh spoke]

yeah i was talking about purely needle in this situation

[sharp slate]

whats the point of talking about pure needle though, thats not how the game is played

[light swan]

i’m glad they kept the sentinel run back the same in act 3

[silver nacelle]

Beat the game vesticrest only with sawtooth circlet as your main weapon and maybe some clawline here and there.

[glossy kayak]

Hm. I barely used it bc of attackspeed

[sharp slate]

its like calcs in hollow knight without spells

[glossy kayak]

I have my own tierlist somewhere

[verbal trench]

honestly i need to actually give each crest an extended playthrough so i can actually form a good opinion on each one, right now hunter crest is top

[marsh spoke]

thats how the crest is played because you want silk ffor the bind + red tools are boring unbalanced dogshit

[limber jungle]

Im doing a architect playthrough!
I want to fucking hang myself

[sharp slate]

Same to be honest, the game is so complex there are so many factors

[verbal trench]

nothing stands a chance against my humble purple cogshit

my chudfly

[silver nacelle]

This is one of the things that draw me to shaman. I don't get the same resource depletion anxiety I get from using tools from silk skills.

[mortal lichen]

beast crest should have its silk skill slot replaced with something else becaue using silk skills on beast crest is a waste of silk

[marsh spoke]

if you take the red tools in considerataion then its as good as everything else that has 2 red slots and shaman the difference barely matters

[sharp slate]

"boring unbalanced dogshit" but thats the way people play is with red tools and silk skills

[silver nacelle]

;-; my shaman, no.

[limber jungle]

shaman at B? 😭

[glossy kayak]

I barely used it

[keen mason]

Cursed amplified technique Cogly red, cursed reversal technique Polip blue, Hollow Cogfly

[candid kayak]

[glossy kayak]

not my style

[keen mason]

https://tenor.com/view/satoru-satoru-gojo-gojo-jjk-jujustu-kaisen-gif-9777483489438260197

[mortal lichen]

when you take red tools into consideration beast crest becomes much stronger because of flintslate and flea brew

[hollow yarrow]

nail builds are actually better in hollow knight because when you remove spells it has a higher dps

[limber jungle]

pollip pouch sucks

[sharp slate]

thats fair, i have been loving my challenge runs with tools tbh, adds more complexity and puzzles but i understand resource depletion anxiety makes sense

[marsh spoke]

and then you find out you can put flintslate on everything else and also that flea brew barely works

[limber jungle]

honestly bottom 10 blue tools it does basically nothing to your damage output

[silver nacelle]

By that logic, reaper is also very good.

[rocky token]

wgats the most usefull tool for the widow boss fight

[keen mason]

ok

[candid kayak]

architect's needle attacks are pretty fun, you can wind up the sprint and pogo attacks for more damage and range

[mortal lichen]

if you're going to increase your needle damage, the best crest to do it to is the needle damage crest

[limber jungle]

get to the architect early andget sawtooth circlet

[sharp slate]

i love architects moveset i just wate i didnt hate the pogo

[candid kayak]

...before widow...

[rocky token]

idk what any of those are

[sharp slate]

how come beast doesnt get same flack as wanderers you can do same exact shit lmfao

[verbal trench]

i feel like when i do eventually give wanderers a try i may rank it lower not for its damage output (because clearly it's cracked) but just for its moveset seeming uninteresting compared to the other crests, but i'll see when i actually give it a feel for a few days

[limber jungle]

yeah thats why I said early

[marsh spoke]

yeah it is better on beeast crest but its not that much better than everything else below it is what im saying

[glossy kayak]

dont like it at all i dunno

[silver nacelle]

You can't get into the citadel without beating widow.

[candid kayak]

^

[sharp slate]

thats fair, i enjoy the speed tbh, but i get why people wouldnt. I also value the consistency in the pogo. I think even if wanderers isnt best dps the consistency may shine in hitless challenges tbh

[mortal lichen]

that's fair, and I guess I should keep in mind that it's not the only needle damage crest because hunter evo is pretty crazy

[light swan]

beast gets cool points for having a pogo that helps it’s playstyle and the infinite fury playstyle is a lot cooler then wanderer spam

casuals need to try to get success out of beast but wanderer not as much

[sharp slate]

yea so its just hate based on coolness not facts

[limber jungle]

cahnged the wording of the wanderer tier

[candid kayak]

okay so first you noclip into the citadel, get injec- wait

[sharp slate]

i was just arguing that we dont have the dps calcs yet to be fair

[light swan]

……it’s a tier list about my opinion??

who said anything about facts in a crest discussion ??

[sharp slate]

i dont get why its contraversial to say a new game doesnt have enough info to determine top picks

[lofty shell]

definitive crest tier list

[candid kayak]

the simple answer here is that it doesn't matter

[marsh spoke]

we do have dps calculations

[sharp slate]

sorry im just salty, tired of this shit for wanderers shit im not mad at you

[mortal lichen]

warding bell in case you get sniped by a bell when trying to heal

[silver nacelle]

I heard someone once say that the reason Beast puts ppl off despite being really good is how unintuitive it is.

You have to go against almost every instinct you've developed before you got the crest.

[limber jungle]

I showed the tierlist to some other people and I was getting fried for not liking wanderer that much

[marsh spoke]

vegathron has needle dps calculations in his videos iirc

[sharp slate]

WE DONT FOR ACTUALY PLAYING against bosses though you are doing JUST NAIL SHIT

[candid kayak]

warding bell is good training wheels for binding

[verbal trench]

like i feel that people rank crests too much on raw dps numbers because you can have a playstyle with extremely high dps but said playstyle is also boring to execute. and you can have a playstyle with low dps but it's fun to execute

[sharp slate]

"We have the dps calcs" IF YOU IGNORE other 50% of the game lmfao

[marsh spoke]

ok then if you want "real" dps just slap voltvessel dps on top of everything

[sharp slate]

thats... not how it works....

[mortal lichen]

and then later in the game you can either chose to add more training wheels with injector band or take them all off with multibinder

[limber jungle]

c lawlime.........................................................................................

[glossy kayak]

I ranked crest on how fun playing with them

[candid kayak]

people going on about DPS as if it matters

it's a GAME, you're supposed to have FUN

[glossy kayak]

for me ofc

[candid kayak]

use what's the most fun not what's the most "efficient"

[limber jungle]

warding bell can also do this because its funny

[verbal trench]

dps numbers are just not good for ranking because it ignores how the crest actually feels

[candid kayak]

LOL

[silver nacelle]

Ppl not realizing this is what caused reaper hate.

[sharp slate]

weird? intresting

[candid kayak]

never thought about warding bell on shaman bind

[mental topaz]

Poor dude was just chilling 😭

[silver nacelle]

Lmao.

[rocky token]

i think reaper is fun because its pogo is short kinda and i like how it kinda just feels robust idk why i feel like that

[light swan]

omg can i talk about warding bind

[marsh spoke]

i'm going about dps because i want to ARGUE and LEARN about the technicals of the game it would be fucking pointless to even talk here if it was just to go "Hey, this is fun and cool!" every 3 seconds and nothing else

[candid kayak]

guys we did it, we invented desolate dive

[rocky token]

also against bosses you can repeatedly heal with it

[limber jungle]

not even the guy I fell onto 😭

[mortal lichen]

dps is very important if you're taling about which crest is the best but the accessibility of that dps is also important to note because whilst hunter evo is very powerful for dps most people are not going to nohit fights enough to make good use of it

[silver nacelle]

Isn't sharp dart just a horizontal desolate dive?

[limber jungle]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[light swan]

what you’re trying to do just starts negativity and misinformation and miscommunication which is why most of us avoid it

[glossy kayak]

Best defense is offence

[silver nacelle]

Illusion uses warding bell on architect like cross stitch.

[marsh spoke]

yeah whatever im just going to go to p5ab instead

[mental topaz]

*better sharp shadow

[candid kayak]

oh my god that poor guy was probably overlapping the damage area by a single pixel lmfao

[silver nacelle]

Different points of view.

[sharp slate]

if you want to argue and learn about the techincals you shouldnt just say that the dps is X when you are only factoring in nail

[marsh spoke]

can you explain wahat i should say then genuinely

[candid kayak]

tech

[limber jungle]

worse because it has a wind up and eats up your "soul"

[keen mason]

poor man's decending dark

[silver nacelle]

Do you know the needle DPSs by heart?

[sharp slate]

I just dont think there is a dps arguement currently, until we have data, i think its that simple

[silver nacelle]

It has wind up...like desolate dive/descending dark.

[candid kayak]

exactly

[marsh spoke]

82 78 and 70 for the top 3 i dont remember the rest

[candid kayak]

and uses your soul too no way

[marsh spoke]

well what does constitute for data in your opinion

[silver nacelle]

Neat.

[hollow yarrow]

oh no that 4dps is going to ruin everyting

[limber jungle]

why are we talking about ddark when I was replying to sharp shadow

[mortal lichen]

what are these top 3?

[marsh spoke]

i would think the numbers are good enough but clearly you disagree

[silver nacelle]

Because he was replying to me with him saying that sharp dart is a sharp shadow equivalent instead of a ddark equivalent.

[sharp slate]

People playing with the game, experimenting with silk skills with red tools, ect. fighting bosses, its going to take a long time to get data on addtional stuff. different red tools will be used on different crests as well

[candid kayak]

yes but we compared it to dive

[limber jungle]

"I want to learn about the technicals of the game"
only talks about dps

[light swan]

is dps just base attack speed rn or is there more to it

[sharp slate]

i honestly think speed kills are an intresting way to measure, but still not fool proof, i dont fully know, the game is INSANELY complex and im not afraid to admit it

[candid kayak]

wait until they learn about combat tech

[silver nacelle]

There's also tools, sawtooth circlet, silk skills to take into consideration.

[graceful oyster]

How's it hanging silksong discussion chat

[mortal lichen]

dps = damage per attack / seconds between each attack

[silver nacelle]

It's hanging.

[marsh spoke]

that's fair i guess

[candid kayak]

there's also animation cancels

[silver nacelle]

Yeah, I can never do those on shaman.

[verbal trench]

i think talking about needle dps is fine i don't see a problem with being interested in needle dps, there's no reason to dog on this person, however i think only factoring in needle dps for which crest is best ignores too much for it to be an honest ranking

[limber jungle]

clawline my beloved

[candid kayak]

I've seen shaman crest attacking really fast with some funky movements

[sharp slate]

I do get your point of look at the numbers for needle though, it is what we got so far, but im just waiting on more, i didnt mean to sound hostile if it came out that way by the way

[light swan]

ok so since this is witch’s fastest standalone way to deal dmg how to find dps

[candid kayak]

there's intricacies to the combat

[verbal trench]

like, how versatile is said crest, can silk skills or tools be easily incorporated into them, etc

[graceful oyster]

Oh fastest standalone I see the clarification

[mortal lichen]

I guess you could combine the dps numbers of the needle, the circlet and the clawline into a single number

[solemn goblet]

dash cancel clawlines?

[candid kayak]

yes that one

[graceful oyster]

I thought spogos were faster

[silver nacelle]

I guess measure the amount of hp Karmelita lost and divide it by the time it took for that to happen?

[light swan]

rdac chains

[light swan]

yea

[silver nacelle]

Animation cancelling.

[verbal trench]

and of course is the crest fun but that is entirely opinion based

[candid kayak]

divide total fight duration by total health

[solemn goblet]

stands for?

[light swan]

reverse dash attack clawline chain

[graceful oyster]

Reverse dash attack cancel baybee

Oh is it clawline

[silver nacelle]

No, we want to find max potential DPS. Meaning only the part where he did the rdac chain.

[solemn goblet]

so you just dash attz k then clawline?

[candid kayak]

no

they're doing some jumping and dashing the other way

[limber jungle]

witch clawline 🤤

[candid kayak]

being in the air is involved I think

[light swan]

not really

you don’t wanna be in the air since yoi can only dash atk on the ground

[candid kayak]

hm

[solemn goblet]

k yea
witch tech i might not suck at

[candid kayak]

oh no I mean on shaman

[graceful oyster]

What does cloakless hornet look like when she taunts? It's a very weird pose

[light swan]

oh wait yea i need to be in the air lol

[candid kayak]

shaman not witch

[graceful oyster]

The arms kinda just don't exist

[trail holly]

why would you think of this

[light swan]

what tech do you suck at? i’d say spogos are much easier than this

[trail holly]

there's techs in silksong

[graceful oyster]

Well I think the garama pose existed before they thought Hornet would ever lose her cloak and so I wonder how they reconcile that

Can you taunt with cloakless crest?

[limber jungle]

can they buff needle strikes to be quicker im begging

[silver nacelle]

Yes.

[graceful oyster]

Wack

[sharp slate]

here me out pinstress tool 😎 jk jk

[silver nacelle]

Pin badge?

[limber jungle]

it still feels slow'

[candid kayak]

hear me out
needle strike is meant to be slow

[trail holly]

b'do b'do

[light swan]

only really on witch crest

[limber jungle]

hear me out
I dont care let me have more options in my videogame

[candid kayak]

it's for burst damage not good dps

[silver nacelle]

I suppose. But some crests can make use of it.

Mainly drilltect builds.

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/average-witch-crest-speed-kill-gif-16326558384304353968

[candid kayak]

you charge it during downtime

[wary raptor]

Out of anything I could ever hate in the whole wide world it’s fucking gauntlets I hate them to a particularly extraordinarily high degree

[candid kayak]

skill issue

[graceful oyster]

I'll balance you out, I LOVE gauntlets

[keen mason]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-shaw-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-13205433055363544945

[trail holly]

where do we get this hp bar shit bruhh

[keen mason]

i love guantlets too

[wary raptor]

How

[keen mason]

mod

[sharp slate]

mod

[silver nacelle]

This doesn't work on shaman because it's just faster to just do one or two needle hits and then fire a spell with weavelight instead of waiting for the needle strike with pin badge.

[trail holly]

what mod

[keen mason]

hp mod idk

[trail holly]

sONNNN

[graceful oyster]

Great way to force the player to fight and get used to combat techniques and the region's enemies

[candid kayak]

no way I can't fucking believe the game would make me FIGHT ENEMIES in a game about fighting enemies!!!! WTF BAD GAME

[wary raptor]

Yeah but that’s like a developer pro I mean why do you enjoy them

[sharp slate]

gooogle health bar mod silksong

[silver nacelle]

The most sent gif on this server.

[candid kayak]

because they're good

[trail holly]

oh wow i love you thank you

[graceful oyster]

I like killing things

[candid kayak]

SAME

[light swan]

good golly gee willikers

[candid kayak]

read my name, the forum is a gauntlet

[light swan]

does anyone want to see my new seth hitless

[candid kayak]

hitful when

[graceful oyster]

Hit by every attack

[candid kayak]

lmfao yes

[light swan]

never i use barbed bracelet beast crest

[silver nacelle]

Hitful should be you end the fight on one hp.

[candid kayak]

lmao

[silver nacelle]

I once died to Lost Lace after killing her. It was really funny.

[candid kayak]

I often see people hype up crests because of the stupid, wrong ways you can abuse them

lmfao

[light swan]

can we get a stupid right way to use them

@witch

[candid kayak]

architect because of tool spam nonsense, beast and wanderer facetanking

[silver nacelle]

I've seen someone's recommendation for witch users is to bind as much as possible.

[candid kayak]

hear me out: face tanking is not a valid way to play the game

[marsh spoke]

man i think it depends

[candid kayak]

make an effort to dodge

[marsh spoke]

i hate facetanking but i think the concept of trying to outsurvive the boss can be fun

[candid kayak]

mm

[silver nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-skong-sk-gif-9152098084645823068

[candid kayak]

yeah like this

[sharp slate]

hear me out with cross stitch you can avoid face tanking and not dodge

[candid kayak]

TRUE

[sharp slate]

unironaclly any crest could have clicked crossstitch 3 times (besides architect)

[hollow yarrow]

have you/are you going to produce a witch crest video

[silver nacelle]

I know.

[gilded umbra]

If this dlc is as good as the game, i want to pay for it

If it’s cheap I want to pay more

[sharp slate]

then buy a game for a friend, easy way to give more without asking for more price xD

[keen mason]

free dlc is too much i am gonna pirate the dlc

[cobalt pilot]

I just want to give money to team cherry

[ancient mortar]

Team cherry has made plenty of money lol, those guys are probably set for life.

[candid kayak]

you already did though

[silver nacelle]

True. But that's not the point of the meme.

[sharp slate]

defintely beyond set

[wise wadi]

am sorry for this skarr i made bro eternally fall

[limber jungle]

why aren't we going absolutely crazy with the sawtooth

[gilded umbra]

4 free DLCs for Hollow Knight, a dlc coming in 2026 which is, you guessed it, FREE

[ancient mortar]

If you wanna just give money away find a charity to donate to

[limber jungle]

nvm didn't see the second brother

[gilded umbra]

I WANT TO PAY MORE THAN $35

[candid kayak]

oh hey I've seen that a few times lol

[sharp slate]

fair but i hate that meme as well because people actually flame wanderers because of it xD

[silver nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-lace-gif-8836209893747006983

[torpid fox]

Is there any tips for LL? Ts is hard

[light swan]

i’m making one rn it’s estimated 7 minutes long

[sharp slate]

true FUCK CIRCLET and fuck cross stitch (i like circlet though)

[light swan]

but i have a couple shorts explaining individual tech on my channel

[candid kayak]

keep trying, maybe put the game down and try again later/tomorrow

[hollow yarrow]

you should link your channel to your dc

[silver nacelle]

Ppl do the same to reapers because of that other average reaper user meme.

The one with them failing basic platforming.

[light swan]

warding bell with reserve bind

[ancient mortar]

Cross stitch is like one of the most fun spells in the game lol.

[light swan]

true

[ancient mortar]

If we wanna talk cheese any kinda toolspam is far easier.

[sharp slate]

its Insanely busted at high skill levels, its laughable, its so cool but pisses me off at the same time

[candid kayak]

yes it is

[keen mason]

corss stich makes me feel cool

[sharp slate]

Something this strong shouldnt exist but is so cool but i am conflcited

[ancient mortar]

At the highest skill levels you are better off with thread storm for raw damage. Cross stitch is ideal for nohits though.

[silver nacelle]

As a shaman main, why not both?

[sharp slate]

maybe, im curious how weaving nail hits in with threadstorm and cross stitch calcs out though, feel like its easier to resume hitting with nail after a cross stitch or sharpdart

[ancient mortar]

Well that's the perk of shaman, sacrifice toolspam to have all the good spells at once.

[hollow yarrow]

id argue the safety that cross stitch provides can allow you to be more aggressive

[light swan]

yea that’s what i think

it’s busted but it enables aggression and i don’t think it disables dodging, or at least i don’t play like it does

[limber jungle]

because I wanna use busted rune rage and sharpfart

[wise wadi]

ever noticed the seamstress has pimpillos AKA grenades for coushins

[silver nacelle]

With shaman, you stop looking at spells from damage perspective and see them from a utility one.

Which one do you need to cover your necessities? That kind of thing.

[silver nacelle]

Rune Rage sucks against small enemies.

[limber jungle]

thats why its completely satirical

[sharp slate]

rune rage sucks*?

[keen mason]

rune rage sucks

[silver nacelle]

Oh. I see.

[lean stratus]

It's a Match

[glossy kayak]

On my first playthrough cross stitch sometimes spawned me in enemy hitbox after the parry which is why i dont use it much

[keen mason]

do 67 67

[glossy kayak]

i wonder if its fixed or im just being unlucky sometimes

[hollow yarrow]

you can cross stitch again

[lean stratus]

The minutes can't go above 60

[ancient mortar]

Yeah, that's why I try to have a setup like base game, a ranged one (shade soul) a damage nuke (abysss shriek) and I frames (ddark) that way you get all the coverage that you need just like the first game where you had to get by without tools.

For this I usually go threadstorm crossstitch, pale nails/silkspear.

[silver nacelle]

Let's admit, that was a coin flip and the other side was it making two circles that hit fuck all.

[hollow yarrow]

it has "recoil", pushing you in the direction opposite to where you are facing

[silver nacelle]

My setup is actually the same.

Silkspear as main damage. Threadstorm for anti air. Cross stitch for defense.

[hollow yarrow]

cross stitch is directional

[glossy kayak]

oh okay

[light swan]

you have enough time to escape

[wise wadi]

this guy is NOT stuck NOR in danger vro 😭

[gilded umbra]

PLEASE TEAM CHERRY

[hollow yarrow]

you have enough time to cross stitch

[sharp slate]

just a little loss

[gilded umbra]

PRICE THE DLC

[hollow yarrow]

its so silly

[ancient mortar]

Cross stitch is incredibly strong though, it's borderline ungodly for nohits. But I think for regular play where getting hit isn't a big deal you want silk storm, unless on shaman where you bring a everything.

[gilded umbra]

CRASH STORES AGAIN

[wise wadi]

rhino guy

[silver nacelle]

On shaman with egg of flealia, it helps a lot. 3 silk for a block is beautiful.

https://tenor.com/view/lost-lace-gif-8836209893747006983

[lofty shell]

If I ever use shaman
Here is what my setup might be
Pale nails for anti air/ consistent DPS on boss
Thread storm for raw damage
Cross stitch for defense

[ancient mortar]

Honestly I'm terrified for the time I go to do another 1 mask run and don't allow myself any spells on top of already no tools. I think I'll use beast crest so I still have silk management to keep things fun.

[silver nacelle]

Understandable. Pale nails is pretty busted.

[silver nacelle]

🔥

[ancient mortar]

I need to learn all the beast crest tech for that ideally

It looks fun, and will make platforming sections have a fresh challenge.

[silver nacelle]

A tip though, pale nails tends to consume your other skills in terms of your attention. It's easier to spam pale nails than to look for an opportunity with threadstorm.

Be careful using it, it's like a drug.

[void moat]

this channel’s no fun when no ones arguing

[ancient mortar]

Honestly I don't know if silkspear is better than cross stitch for nohits, I've seen it used a lot for them.

[limber jungle]

am I weird for thinking witch with 2 white slots and a single red would be interesting

[ancient mortar]

This is a terrible take lets argue about it.

[silver nacelle]

Idk either because I use both. :)

[ancient mortar]

Sadly for this run Im locked to hunter only

[silver nacelle]

Nah. Witch, spells, it makes sense.

[lofty shell]

reaper should have had that

[ancient mortar]

Honestly if we are gonna give a crest two spell slots I think it should be reaper

[silver nacelle]

I'd say use cross stitch. Silkspear is better used at a distance and you need close range for hunter since it has the shortest range.

[lofty shell]

rune rage rework when

[ancient mortar]

Or alchemist in the future. That way you have 2 spells and room for plasmium phial

[limber jungle]

I agree but I think it'd be funny to give witch 2 silk skills

[silver nacelle]

I wonder how many ppl will main the new crest.

[ancient mortar]

Cross stitch is godly, though it falls off in some fights where you can't really land it consistently. But it also tears apart some gauntlets like high halls. But I've seen even more efficient hhg runs with silkspear, it might vary from fight to fight.

[light swan]

tbh you don’t even wanna use spells much until later

[ancient mortar]

High halls gauntlet is brutal, that's the one I'm most worried about to nohit spell less.

[silver nacelle]

It depends on the user I suppose.

[lofty shell]

alchemist crest would be fire
basically
one slot would permanently have plasmium phial
you must have plasmium phial with plasmium gland to even be able to get the crest
the other 2 slots would be one silk skill and one tool of your choice
you will have 3 blue tools and a yellow tool
the secondary bind would restore plasmium phial

[ancient mortar]

Silkspear is super underated honestly, very efficient and consistent.

[ancient mortar]

I also think it should make your bind heal nothing but shoot out lifeseeds you have to collect. Maybe even give us flukenest style plasmified spells.

[lofty shell]

shooting out lifeseeds would be kinda annoying
as you would have to collect them
imagine doing that in the middle of a boss fight

[light swan]

yo beast spogo kinda inconsistent

[ancient mortar]

Do you guys think spells are balanced atm or do they need more buffs and nerfs.

[ancient mortar]

The idea would it would be a downside to accommodate having permenant plasmified status.

[marsh spoke]

rune rage is begging for a buff

[glacial kelp]

i think theyre like mostly fine

rune rage yeah

[marsh spoke]

everything else is like fine except sharpdart but that ones just opinion based

[ancient mortar]

I think the timing on cross stitch could be made a hair tighter maybe?

[ancient mortar]

Sharpdarts actually quite strong

[glacial kelp]

shart is pretty decent

[light swan]

damage needs to be nerf

[glacial kelp]

it got a huge buff

[limber jungle]

do we think the new crest is going to be this one

[light swan]

safe but low damage is low-key fine imo

[worthy stream]

Bruh I’m trying to get a silk eater cuz this father of flames shit is actually cooking me but dude didn’t even make any cuz of the void masses

[light swan]

because people would want riskier high damage skills anyway

[lofty shell]

cross stitch is balanced
thread storm already got gutted and its balanced
pale nails needs a slight nerf
maybe in terms of damage or speed
silk spear is fine
sharp dart needs a charge up time buff
rune rage need a complete rework

[glacial kelp]

why do we think theres a new crest

[fathom rapids]

Beast 2.0

[ancient mortar]

Really? Its damage generally seems low enough.

[marsh spoke]

it does the same damage as everything else

(64)

[glacial kelp]

yeah but everything besides rage is like acceptable

[fathom rapids]

But i like rage :(

[lofty shell]

sharp dart is kinda mid tho

[light swan]

same as silkspear iirc

[marsh spoke]

cross stitch isnt exactly balanced but like

[light swan]

cuz it fucking got buffed

[glacial kelp]

doesnt it deal 3.5 like spear

[ancient mortar]

Yeah but it's far less spammable.

[marsh spoke]

its an i frame spell

[marsh spoke]

3x but yeah

[glacial kelp]

i swear it got buffed to 3.5

[wise wadi]

why are the enemies here using their tralalas to eat my cogflies wth

[light swan]

i still think it should deal less dmg that the others

[marsh spoke]

no it used to be worse

[orchid locust]

new crest leaked (team cherry official drawings)

[ancient mortar]

By how much? I always thought the issue was it provided too much safety

[marsh spoke]

3.5x is technically sharpdart iirc

[glacial kelp]

yeah it used to be 2.4 or some shit i know

[lofty shell]

pinstress crest looking fire

[candid kayak]

leaked sprite

[hexed sigil]

wow theyve gotten worse since the awards havent they

[ancient mortar]

Then again the timing isn't the easiest and requires learning the attacks.

[inland orchid]

The rune spell needs to do better damage

[glacial kelp]

oh im right it is 3.5

[ancient mortar]

Very alarming, only 3 masks.

[inland orchid]

Rune rage is dogshit currently

[ancient mortar]

Always has been

[glacial kelp]

how would yall buff rune rage

[ancient mortar]

I'll never be that interested in rune rage because it's inconsistent

[marsh spoke]

whar

[glacial kelp]

i think we are talking about different things…

[marsh spoke]

just make it like pv focus and have a big circle on top of the player

[inland orchid]

More damage, volt filament makes it have 35% more runes, cast faster.

[marsh spoke]

i thuought we were talking about cross stitch

[glacial kelp]

thats just thread storm no?

[gilded umbra]

🥹 I did it everyone…

[ancient mortar]

More damage per hit but it fires off in a fixed pattern around your position that you have to learn, ie it can only hit one target per cast but the pattern is always the same so you know when it will hit. Also increase the damage per hit massively to compensate.

[gilded umbra]

Now more for dlc

[marsh spoke]

i wasnt suggesting it should do thread storm damage + threadstorm is JUST that

[inland orchid]

Wow guys make rune rage not be rune rage
This guy is a genius

[marsh spoke]

rune rage also has the tracking things

[fathom rapids]

Completed memoruim?

[glacial kelp]

yeah but the consistent damage is always from playing the same as thread storm

[ancient mortar]

But I'm an rng hater so that's just me

[glacial kelp]

so mechanically its the same

[marsh spoke]

i guess? but like there isnt really another option that i see

[gilded umbra]

Mementos you mean?

Orr

[inland orchid]

Ok but then wtf is the point of playing rune rage if all you do is play it like thread storm but with shittier damage and rng potential for a bit more at range
This is like the worst idea I've read here in a while

[marsh spoke]

the tracking runes are always gonna suck unless they make it hit enemies near instantly or something

[ancient mortar]

My idea of the fixed pattern makes it so it can hit the whole map but you have to pick your positioning well so it hits where you want it.

[orchid locust]

make the rune rage circles all track and converge on the enemy with a 100% hit rate

[candid kayak]

you need to beat the game with 100% completion

[glacial kelp]

yeah my immediate thought is just to make it faster

[gilded umbra]

I did bucko

[candid kayak]

for the achievement

...then why are you in high halls

[ancient mortar]

I think the rng pattern will always make it sub par, unless the damage is boosted to a ludicrous levels.

[glacial kelp]

it used to be like pretty okay if you hit the rng

[marsh spoke]

then they nerfed it

[ancient mortar]

When I put myself into a long animation I want to be able to know how much damage it'll deal

[plucky stag]

maybe they beat lost lace and then went back here for some reason

[sharp slate]

Got a decent speed LL

[candid kayak]

did you travel get 100% completion, beat lost lace, then open the save back up and travel to high halls before taking the screenshot??

[ancient mortar]

Not have to guess and test my luck

[gilded umbra]

Grinding rosaries

[orchid locust]

you think hornet leaves pharloom right after the true ending or goes back to her bellhome and sleeps for 3 days

[gilded umbra]

Also here

[marsh spoke]

rune rage nerf will forever be the craziest decision ever

[candid kayak]

ok cool

[plucky stag]

she helps rebuild the place before departing

[candid kayak]

ok so the screenshot was taken before you went to beat lace

[plucky stag]

after all, she was this determined to save pharloom; she definitely wants to make amends before she leaves

she was the cause of the blackened threads after all, it's the least she should do

[ancient mortar]

Play-Doh crest

[gilded umbra]

That was when I 100% the game, it took me an hour to beat lost lace

[candid kayak]

that water gun looks very melty

[glacial kelp]

why is it red 🥀

[candid kayak]

mm

[candid kayak]

orange, blue

[quiet vine]

The hell🥲

[glacial kelp]

change orange to white so its the patriot crest

[feral basin]

What am I looking at?

[candid kayak]

can't trust fill tool with anything...

[quiet vine]

An abomination

[glacial kelp]

lifeblood crest

[limber jungle]

NEW crest STOLEN from team cherry...............

[candid kayak]

:O

[light swan]

if it provided too much safety but dealt much less damage then the trade off is fair, i’d say just revert the buff give it 2.4x again

[glacial kelp]

every other crest is white but this one is red because its specil

[limber jungle]

its meant to be the needle thing xylophone gives you 🥺

[light swan]

guys look beast spogo !

[fathom rapids]

Ah ye if forgot their names

[candid kayak]

this isn't white wtf are you saying

[glacial kelp]

i dont think its broken though its just very good in the hands of a skilled player

[gilded umbra]

No I haven’t

[candid kayak]

yeah

[glacial kelp]

oh i was referring to the orange bit but i said red…

[fathom rapids]

Why? Because is orange? Is there something you would like to say to me?

[candid kayak]

the gaps.

[fathom rapids]

Wow

Hating bc is orange...i thought you knew better

[candid kayak]

https://media.tenor.com/E5NLD5lfaMgAAAAM/frog-attacker.gif

[limber jungle]

its meant to be like th e 🥺🥺

[light swan]

i still think the trade off matters rn cuz there’s not much of a trade off

[candid kayak]

old timey horn

[glacial kelp]

oh…

[wise wadi]

how do i play the minigames now, idc abt the place i wanna juggle with fleas

[candid kayak]

did you get all 30?

[wise wadi]

I NEED ALL 30 ?!

[glacial kelp]

its not available on every boss easily i guess? like its way harder to cross stitch trobbio than karm

[candid kayak]

yes you need every flea, and you need to be in act 3

[wise wadi]

welp back to the flea hunt

[candid kayak]

festival doesn't start until act 3 as well

[worthy stream]

Guys any tip on how to open this vine gold door at the bottom of grand gates? I think it leads to the shell wood heart boss but idk how to open it

[hexed sigil]

just find the other flea that gives u the locations for rosaries

[candid kayak]

go up

[glacial kelp]

silk soar

[wise wadi]

isnt that vog

[candid kayak]

use your new ability that you didn't have previously

[hexed sigil]

ja

[candid kayak]

yes

[fathom rapids]

You gonna have to kill garmond

[glacial kelp]

i swear i know you but you change your user like all the time

[hexed sigil]

mariellionaire

[worthy stream]

Oh I found a breakable wall. Thx

[candid kayak]

you do

[wise wadi]

WHAT NO

[glacial kelp]

yeah as in i recognize the pfp but not the name

[wise wadi]

I DONT WANNA KILL HIM

[candid kayak]

zaza too

[wise wadi]

NOT ZAZA TOO

[candid kayak]

btw don't get too attached to garmond.

[light swan]

don’t really think that’s enough at all

[fathom rapids]

its fine, there is an alternative!

Kill sherma

[wise wadi]

SENTIBOOOOOOOOO RETALA HAHA !

[candid kayak]

LMAO

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/736153071218065508/1437058244756377661/sadness-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[wise wadi]

wtf is a silk and soul

[candid kayak]

extremely important wish

[feral basin]

[fathom rapids]

Well is a silk with a soul

[candid kayak]

Silk and Soul is your ticket to act 3

[wise wadi]

the AHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY guy wants me to speak to him

[candid kayak]

good

go see

[sharp slate]

can we not

[wise wadi]

AHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY

[fathom rapids]

Silk and soul kills the guy btw

[limber jungle]

wgat

[fathom rapids]

Dont lisent to him, go persue your dreams!

[keen mason]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[wise wadi]

the AHOY guy got a sister ?

[fathom rapids]

No

[limber jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[keen mason]

he has a family of mischievious people

[fathom rapids]

No all his family is dead

[wise wadi]

isnt his bro ddead in bilewater?
the guy that gave me seeker's soul

[keen mason]

yes but there are two other

[candid kayak]

that's one of his family members

[fathom rapids]

No

[cobalt pilot]

Hello chat

[wise wadi]

why would i need her soul ? she gave it to me

[candid kayak]

whos?

[keen mason]

the cranky guy from bellhart and the old lady from ruined chapel

[fathom rapids]

Why not

[wise wadi]

the chapel's servant

[gloomy hill]

I for a second thought we were talkinga bout bloodborne

[candid kayak]

you need soul from each of the caretaker's family members for the soul snare

[wise wadi]

alr so i got 2 souls, 22 fleas and beast crest

[keen mason]

and an ancient weaver mechanism

[wise wadi]

what are the fleas for

[candid kayak]

yep

[fathom rapids]

Get rid of beast crest and use cloakless

Im so helpful

[candid kayak]

you get a reward for all 30, and also having all 30 is required for the festival to begin in act 3

[wise wadi]

so now i need his uncle's soul 💀 ???

[keen mason]

yehaps

the cranky guy from bellhart

[wise wadi]

he said hes in the heart of pharloom with bells, wonder where that could be

[keen mason]

true

[fathom rapids]

You also gonna need a pure soul....and lucky you sherma is a pure soul

[gilded umbra]

Now what…

[fathom rapids]

Play other games

[keen mason]

sea of sorrow

[candid kayak]

slot 2

[gilded umbra]

Other games don’t come close to Hollow Knight and Silksong other than cyberpunk and rdr2

[sharp slate]

congrats!

[wise wadi]

bro where df is his uncle at in bellheart

[young saffron]

No game has matched the HK aesthetic for me

[gloomy hill]

me when I lie

[wise wadi]

is it the racist guy

[gilded umbra]

Fine Minecraft as well

[young saffron]

Clair's
Sekiro
Dark souls 3
Before your eyes

Were all amazing for me.

[gloomy hill]

no bloodborne

[fathom rapids]

You just said the most basic popular games

[wise wadi]

if he asks for another soul istg ima make songclave explode

[gilded umbra]

I’m getting dark souls remastered for Christmas

[gloomy hill]

DS1 kinda sucks icl

[candid kayak]

you've reacted with this to both "play something else" and "play it again"

[wise wadi]

NOT EVA'S SOUL NOW

[candid kayak]

make up your mind which one is it

[gilded umbra]

I gotta know is Daemon & Machina a good game?

[fathom rapids]

Valient hearts and SANABI are really cool games one of my favorites

[gilded umbra]

I might as well fucking abstract

[gloomy hill]

never heard of it

[candid kayak]

no, but there's an item in the weavenest

[fathom rapids]

Katana zero is also really good

[candid kayak]

(hint: look for ceiling holes)

[limber jungle]

dark souls sucks because i never played it and im too lazy to

[candid kayak]

lmfao

[fathom rapids]

There are really good games out there i just dont understand why you would like something similar when the point is finding new things

[gloomy hill]

I am saying DS1 specifically, DS3 is really good, DS2...has issues

[gilded umbra]

I’ll play something else, I don’t like playing new save files because I know the controls of the game I just forget I don’t have the abilities like in the original save files

[gloomy hill]

we don't talk about DS2 issues

[gilded umbra]

Ive heard… THINGS about the issues I must say

[young saffron]

No play station :/

Pc port is scary to do

[gloomy hill]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-skill-skill-issue-hitboxes-mozzie-gif-23859251

[young saffron]

Ds1 is okay

DS2 is hot ass

DS3 is peak

But that's my opinion

[smoky dagger]

Biggest ds2 issue is that it's way too easy

[gilded umbra]

Which one should I play first?

[smoky dagger]

Ds11

[gloomy hill]

Bloodborne is so peak, definitely has the best world building I from any game I have played

[smoky dagger]

Ds1*

Bloodborne is my favorite out of those fr

[gloomy hill]

I am also very obsessed with lovecraftian works

[young saffron]

If this is your first souls came you start with DS3, it is the easiest and most polished.

Though fair warning you MIGHT find playing ds1 / 2 hard cause of how clunky they are

[gilded umbra]

I’m getting 3 after 1 I don’t want this

[young saffron]

I would sell various organs to get to play blood borne

[smoky dagger]

I think starting with 1 is better than starting with 3

Lots of hype stuff in ds3 is hype BECAUSE YOU PLAYED DS1
Whole game is like full of call backs for fans
Whole point fr

[wise wadi]

IF THE CARETAKER GUY WANTS ANYTHING AND MAKES ME RUN AROUND AGAIN ISTG

[gloomy hill]

Bloodborne PC port I beg of sony

[smoky dagger]

It's a big send off to the series

Def play ds1 before ds3

[gilded umbra]

I’m getting hyrule warriors as well

And Hades 2

[gloomy hill]

Elden RIng is also really good, I haven't played much, still busy with bloodborne but I have heard lots of good things

[smoky dagger]

Elden ring is super fun to explore imo

[gloomy hill]

Sekiro has one of the if not the best 3rd person combat system I have ever seen

[feral basin]

Got is 3 days ago and already explored so much

[smoky dagger]

I think sekiro is alright
I don't think it's like super innovative but I've played a lot of metal gear rising which just did the same parry system first before sekiro

[gilded umbra]

Ok, Elden Ring or DS1 which is harder?

[smoky dagger]

Fuck yeah I have like 500 hours in ER Ielove it fr

[smoky dagger]

ds1 isn't very hard homie

[gloomy hill]

Elden Ring has the hardest bosses in the series

[smoky dagger]

Elden ring is super mega evil hard

[gilded umbra]

Or hyrule vs hades

[gilded umbra]

Sounds like a name from a dog man comic

[tawdry valley]

The what the what now

[gloomy hill]

[smoky dagger]

Based

[gloomy hill]

https://tenor.com/view/sekiro-genshin-impact-lightning-reversal-genichiro-boss-fight-gif-5441192889485355409

[smoky dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-raiden-senator-armstrong-punching-indomitable-gif-14166479420035208375

[gilded umbra]

I feel like I stole silksong and HK

[tawdry valley]

I’ve played sekiro but “best third person combat system” is all third person games with combat

[young saffron]

Ds1 is filled with random bulllshit and clunkiness that kills you rather than being a good game 🙂‍↕️

[keen mason]

they will make you run a lot more

[gilded umbra]

Too cheap, and 5 free DLCs? 4 free in HK, and 1 upcoming DLC in silksong which is free

[feral basin]

I’ll be real I heard somebody say Elden ring was the easiest of the souls franchise

[tawdry valley]

Did you mean specifically fromsoft

[smoky dagger]

I'm glad ekiro has a boss rush cuz I dislike playing the like video game bits
Stealth was mid to me and I hate like every miniboss
Peak PEAK PEAK AS FUCK bosses tho

So much fun to have with the boss fights in sekiro

[gilded umbra]

Will my character stand up and fall off cliffs?

[keen mason]

its just the beginning

[gloomy hill]

I disagree I very much prefer the entire sekiro kit over any other system

[young saffron]

The equivalent of that sure, maybe I'm over exaggerating it but lowk I dropped the game without completing it

[gilded umbra]

Also you guys might not like this mindset for games

[smoky dagger]

People say that cuz elden ring has the most ability tobe overleveled and op and broken
So you can one shot everything
But if you're not doing that it has the hardest moves to dodge objectively 100% fr

[gloomy hill]

which is?

[gilded umbra]

But I don’t play games to have fun or enjoy the journey… I play games for difficulty and to win

[tawdry valley]

To complete yeah. You can farm for runes and spec into a variety of low skill builds. But certain bosses (and especially dlc) are really out there from a technical skill standpoint

[gloomy hill]

that's what I do sometimes

[tawdry valley]

Do you find challenge and winning fun.

[smoky dagger]

Elden ring is the most optimal one to play then
It has the highest potential to be super hard out of all the games we're chatting about rn

[gloomy hill]

Radhann frame trap

[feral basin]

I see…. I am so screwed

[gloomy hill]

so peak

[alpine star]

In my First playthrough i was like 1-2 hours stuck at last judge

[gilded umbra]

No, after I finish, I get up and quit till a new game following it comes out

[alpine star]

Now i defeated her in my 2nd try 😭😭

[gilded umbra]

Btw is hyrule and hades good games?

[smoky dagger]

I love it but it can be hell lowkey
I'm trying to do a run where I'm a lot more nerfed atm and dlc hurting me bad

[urban bobcat]

help my run is bugged 😭

[gloomy hill]

Hades is great, not particularly difficult tho

[smoky dagger]

Idk what that says

[gilded umbra]

What about hyrule

[gloomy hill]

no that's normal

[gloomy hill]

I don't play nintendo games

[urban bobcat]

kill silkmother

[gilded umbra]

I’m a Nintendo main

[smoky dagger]

U can refight her until you unlock act 3

[urban bobcat]

ive killed her alr like 3 times

[smoky dagger]

That doesn't matter

[gilded umbra]

I get to pack it everywhere and when my power goes out I can keep playing

[smoky dagger]

Unlocking act 3 is how she leaves

That means doing all your side quests btw

[gilded umbra]

But at the cost of me not actually owning the consol

[urban bobcat]

mm okay

ty

[smoky dagger]

Np

[gloomy hill]

I have never been interested by any nintendo exclusive so I just never played any of them

[plucky stag]

if you were expecting to get to act 3, you probably just got weaver queen again

[smoky dagger]

My fav nintendo exclusive is probably super mario 64 ds

[gilded umbra]

112% for Hollow Knight… 100% for Silksong… now hades, hyrule, and dark souls

[smoky dagger]

Fucks hard