sk-discussion

[fast reef]

Also, we all know the game awards are hella rigged

[indigo eagle]

E33 is not in my top 10 rpgs of all time though

[fiery burrow]

Because they play differently yes

[left oracle]

yeah

[dusky patio]

e33 is fun enough, but i still like skong more

[barren dew]

Real I don't get the hate towards khann beside his fight being easy

[lapis kernel]

Why?

[torn herald]

Yeah exactly and you only have to go through it once since you get a shortcut right after that gauntlet

[fast reef]

I only watch it for trailers atp

[fallen meteor]

there is a boss in the game called "napalm man" and the stage is meant to look like vietnam - when i played it in the past i thought that it was just a beach and i didn't know what "napalm" was

this was a kids nes game

[silent sand]

imma be honest, they really dont, it kinda felt like sister splinters vines sometimes basically

[fallen meteor]

got nationally banned for that

[grand adder]

You mean one singular move in differnet angle that even a baby could see from years away?

[silent sand]

i dont hate khann, i am just disappointed in him

[fiery burrow]

Silksong isn't even the best game about grinding hunting quests this year idk why they chose it over MHWilds

[barren dew]

Ohh alright fair

[torn herald]

Thing with sister splinters vines was that they stayed and she had other attacks besides it

[hollow wharf]

FR why do yall love slandering all of the heart bosses besides Karmelita sm

[fallen meteor]

karmelita sucks

[silent sand]

yeah i was more so talking about the essence of just her branches but khann doesnt even have the persistence of the branches

[mossy raft]

okay then, thanks!

[compact robin]

Karmelitta is literally perfect

[fiery burrow]

Nyleth and the Dancers also both telegraph their attacks very clearly but I don't really see anyone complaining about those

[grand adder]

They chose the worst monster hunter game ever? What kind of dumbass

[barren dew]

Real

[torn herald]

Karmelita glaze made other heart bosses get disrespected smh

[fiery burrow]

They didn't choose MHGU or World

[grand adder]

Atleast its not as easily telegraphed as khan

[indigo eagle]

my top 11 is like
1: Elden Ring/Baldur’s Gate 3
2: Dark Souls 3
3: Persona 5 (recently beat)
4: Undertale/The Witcher 3
5: Deltarune Ch1-Ch4
6: Metaphor ReFantazio
7: Disco Elysium
8: Fallout New Vegas
9: Cyberpunk 2077
10: Mass Effect 2
11: Clair Obscur

best rpgs for me

[hollow wharf]

Every single time I hop on this server I have people going “oh the clover dancers suck” wdym

[fast reef]

But she is like top 5 Skong bosses

[grand adder]

True true

[silent sand]

unironically might be because karmelita has so many moves and so many variations making her such a cool boss
then we got nyleth the one that uses 3 attacks and jumps between walls [king of pogo]
then we got kinda the same as cogwork dancers [but it makes sense lore wise and it had few new moves]
then we got khann

[fallen meteor]

i bet karmelita is a mosquito because she's just so annoying

[indigo eagle]

mosquitos dont sing well tho

[torn herald]

Eh ig so, I personally just found first sinner way more fun then karmalita

[barren dew]

I actually never seen someone hate them I didn't know they were hated as well

[fiery burrow]

Well because they're a reskin of a previous boss not because of their telegraphs

[sharp agate]

Do yall like this

[hollow wharf]

This isn’t to slander Karmelita at all I love her but OH MY GOD stop clowning on the other bosses

[fiery burrow]

Heck yeah

[fast reef]

You should look deeper into Cybs as a franchise, you'll find a deeper love for it

[stuck hearth]

what is it?

[grand adder]

First sinner is widow but way easier due to the lack lf bells

[fallen meteor]

neither does she
you have no idea how tired i was from hearing "yeeeee-oooop"

[fiery burrow]

Old #ss-discussion is so back

[hollow wharf]

Half of this server hates green prince unfortunately

[sharp agate]

Cajun rice and fried chickeb

[compact robin]

Lore wise each one is equally cool
The battles themselves tho...

Yeaaah karmelitta wins by a landslide

[stuck hearth]

what is old ss discussion?

[marsh ibex]

probably because the rest of them are horrendously undercooked

[silent sand]

tbf i really wasnt trying to clown on other bosses but like...what do they even have, like clover dancer fight was kinda cool with the tornadoes and everything
khann i already spoke about him
seth was a lot more interesting than nyleth herself

[stuck hearth]

Absolute meal, id eat

[fiery burrow]

you had to be there

[marsh ibex]

twin princes is basically the same as cogwork dancers nyleth is pogo fodder khann is too easy but fun

[grand adder]

I could see friwd chicken breads and uh tf is thst thing

[torn herald]

I wish they made first sinner a little harder tho, it would've been nkg level for me if it wasn't such an easy fight

[stuck hearth]

I was but I just forgor

[indigo eagle]

lace, phantom, last judge, cogwork dancers:

[marsh ibex]

and they’re not particularly good for where they’re placed in the game

[fiery burrow]

Use the clawline dawg

[silent sand]

oh yeah lost sinner truly couldve been harder i really liked it but i feel like her hp was kinda too low

[stuck hearth]

clawline is too good for it's own right but somehow also balanced

[fast reef]

Nah fr, Khan was easy, ant queen was Pale Vessel fun, and Nytleth was ez too

[fiery burrow]

Nyleth is annoying if you aren't using hunter though

[grand adder]

Theyre fairly easier and has bland moveset so thats why

[indigo eagle]

tbh HK had the same issue its way less in Silksong

[left oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/ss-silk-song-silksong-skong-gif-9056276688868888316

[compact robin]

The humble crest of the beast:

[fiery burrow]

TRUE

[marsh ibex]

I can’t hold you gng I was excited for the prince fight cuz I liked cogwork so much

I was thoroughly disappointed

[grand adder]

I used thst build and shredded nyleth like theres no tomorrow

[silent sand]

ngl i started hk like just several months ago so like i had access to the pantheons and stuff so i really didnt have any qualms about not having difficult bosses

[fiery burrow]

I found nyleth with beast to be pretty annoying

[torn herald]

This is how you're meant to fight nyleth

[fast reef]

Yeah GP felt more depressing than fun

[stuck hearth]

At least verdania is awesome right?

[silent sand]

i think i used wanderer + cross stitch

[indigo eagle]

when you realize we will get a silksong game awards orchestra because it has an game of the year nomination

[fiery burrow]

Seth with beast is a blast though

[silent sand]

i just kept pogoing her and parrying her when she did the pollen attack

[marsh ibex]

It’s neat

[grand adder]

I just noticed your pfp is malzeno

[barren dew]

Holy peak

[hollow wharf]

I don’t understand why a reskin of the Cogwork dancers is considered a bad thing in the fandom when the clover dancers were literally inspo for their models (I do think that they should have been animated differently/have different attack variants but I still love the boss overall it’s still so fun)

[marsh ibex]

pale stag can go eat my shorts though

[steel veldt]

Greenpath 4 with teleporting enemies

[silent sand]

verdania looked cool but god damn was palestag trash

[indigo eagle]

Pale Stag is so well designed

[grand adder]

Trueee

[indigo eagle]

the boss is fantastic man..

[barren dew]

Was pale stag that bad actually I need a very honest answer

[compact robin]

Jump off the golden gates.

[marsh ibex]

because the fight is basically the exact same as the previous fight with (imo) worse music and no real emotion weight

[fiery burrow]

Verdania has nothing in it except some weird orb minigames and annoying enemies and a godawful miniboss

[dusty wind]

Guys i feel so dissapointed like i was so excited for architects crest the entire game and i actually get it and i realize its just bunz hunter is so much better

[silent sand]

the absolute duality of man

[white bison]

i just beat lost lace 🙂

[compact robin]

Yes
No doubt.

[lapis kernel]

Who wants smt like colostrum in ss?

[stuck hearth]

"Pale Joker"
Looks inside
Crimson as fuck
Que?

[indigo eagle]

when she said idfk then throw her sawblades at me I knew i was eating good

[marsh ibex]

Verdania looks nice but being kicked out every death is obnoxious

[white bison]

i found skarrsinger harder than lost lace lMAO

[elfin ore]

js did the cleanest witch crest combo

[fiery burrow]

Why did they put memoryslop in this game

[fast reef]

Hell yeah, on a scale from, 1-10 how fun was it?

[marsh ibex]

To spite you in particular

[silent sand]

aight no emotional weight is kinda a bit much considering we saw him die in his lovers embrace and stuff and it was poetic,

[elfin ore]

never did it hitless this time i did

[indigo eagle]

why did they put areas in the game

[white bison]

7

[marsh ibex]

That was at the end and I also didn’t care

[hollow wharf]

“No real emotion weight” buddy I SOBBED fighting them wdym 😭🙏

[white bison]

not the best fight but pretty fun

[fiery burrow]

Well them hating their fans isn't new ig

[lapis kernel]

Why did they put gameplay in game?

[stuck hearth]

I wonder why you in particular felt so sad

[arctic epoch]

another fine day to see subjective arguements in #sk-discussion

[lilac wind]

lmfao no its significantly harder because the telegraphs disappear

[fast reef]

What would say is your favorite Skong boss?

[marsh ibex]

No third phase where the lover dies and they’re dancing alone

[fiery burrow]

They didn't Silksong is story slop for game journalists

[orchid locust]

-die in verdania
-5 second waking up animation
-play the needolin for 5 seconds
-5 seconds to get into the memory
-2 minute runback

[lilac wind]

silksong is $20

[barren dew]

They loved to kill loved NPCS so it's honestly not surprising

[marsh ibex]

It felt the same so it’s the same

[white bison]

Skarrsinger karmelita 100%

[elfin ore]

yo tom mind to dm?

[fiery burrow]

HK was 15 bucks and superior in quality so they kinda ripped me off

[silent sand]

tbf its his memories + the other one was merely his projection of his lost one

[stuck hearth]

"I didn't care" Buddy, you could watch the saddest movie ever and if you don't care you won't feel anything

[grand adder]

Ngl. Enraged crystal guardian is ass

[marsh ibex]

[elfin ore]

need u for smth abt witch crest

[arctic epoch]

i'd rather we speak here, if possible

[lilac wind]

hollow knight was by no means superior in quality lmfao

[white bison]

i liked both

[marsh ibex]

Ok

[fast reef]

Fair, she is really good. My favorite is Last Judge, he was just so damn fun

[dusty wind]

Hell nah i will stand for this forever sk is better than hk

[elfin ore]

that might make non witch crest people mad or do crests like work together

[lilac wind]

silksong has had seven years of polish do you think they spent that time doing literally nothing

[white bison]

i feel like sk has a cleaner art style

[silent sand]

i have no idea who my fav boss is now that i think about it

[hollow wharf]

That would’ve been peak ngl but the lack of that doesn’t make it any less sad

[barren dew]

I think we should love both games instead of comparing them for no reason

[dusky patio]

hey good idea

[fiery burrow]

Seven years of polish and I still got locked out of 100%

[compact robin]

Just y'all wait till we get dlcs 💔

[lilac wind]

(the answer is no, hornet has more than like 3 animation frames)

[arctic epoch]

nah just say it, there are about as many crestist as the sea stretch in here

[elfin ore]

wuts a good idea?

[timid peak]

[fiery burrow]

Kinda impressive what were they doing with all that time

[silent sand]

there are so many good bosses but i havent fought anything other than lost lace and carmelita in such a long time

[compact robin]

how

[lilac wind]

...how? legitimately never heard of this

[dusky patio]

@light swan may i propose a truce between the architects and the witch coven

[stuck hearth]

I think the memory becoming more unstable as he is closer to death would have been neat

[arctic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[fast reef]

I think the only things HK does better is the charms and spells. And the endgame bosses.

[fiery burrow]

Benjin and Crull didn't drop the tacks after what I assume was a bug

[peak nymph]

No

[glossy grotto]

Congrats to silksong for winning best indie!

[elfin ore]

alr basiclly i feel like in illusions vid he somehow dash faster also when i dash attack clawline reverse dash revese dash.... the 2nd reverse dash i allways hit the enemy how can i make that not happen

[stuck hearth]

Actually how

[arctic epoch]

"better" and "charms and spells" in the same sentence talking about HK 😭

[peak nymph]

The game of the year results are out already????

[white bison]

Poll: Which is easier, beating Nyleth, OR going outside and whacking the hell out of a bush?

[marsh spoke]

whacking the bush

[dusky patio]

whacking a bush

[compact robin]

High halls in a second playthrough

[hollow wharf]

I feel like what they should’ve done is give him more buildup to actually fighting him so that it didn’t feel like he jumps you out of nowhere

[stuck hearth]

beating the bush, unless you beat around it

[lilac wind]

lmfao ok

[peak nymph]

Team cherry has a butt complex it seems

[silver nacelle]

Some people live in cities without bushes.

[glacial kelp]

nyleth is more like a rose bush so probably nyleth

[lapis kernel]

Go outside is the hardest challenge for hk players

[peak nymph]

Finally i said it

[fast reef]

What? Silksong has nothing on Shaman Stone + Spell Twister

[white bison]

TRueee

[lilac wind]

hear me out: give your save file to a friend and ask them to edit in tacks. that's all you have to do

[stuck hearth]

It's literally his memory and you encounter him several times how much more build up is needed

[elfin ore]

@arctic epoch

[dusky patio]

is this a "you'll think about it"

[delicate matrix]

Hi guys im Kroal the Kreat

[arctic epoch]

heh? what are you describing to be exact? From what you're describing, that is not reverse-DAC-chain

[lilac wind]

shamans and spell twister are liked because they are overpowered lmfao

[fiery burrow]

Why do I have to edit my save file on a game that took 7 years to make

[silver nacelle]

...shaman crest + volt filament + weavelight + egg of flealia?

[elfin ore]

ill send u a vid

[glacial kelp]

its just ddark spam man its not that fun

[peak nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274126347542855774/1320487889116725270/caption.gif

[white bison]

Oh i hated groal the great fight so much

[barren dew]

What the hell happened to you

[silent sand]

ngl shaman crest needs something better than egg of flealea

[lilac wind]

you don't, you got a bug! file a bug report and move on

[peak nymph]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929400024595595315/1126978894688440410/ED6EFBC5-A68E-48C6-9103-B123B1ECC22D.gif

[marsh spoke]

@native canyon yeah she's here

[hollow wharf]

I mean in the sense that he sort of just goes from reminiscing the whole time to suddenly wanting you dead there’s no transition where he starts getting angry at you

[marsh ibex]

egg of flealia sucks

[arctic epoch]

i think the term you're loong for is "more busted" not "better" especially if we're looking at gameplay's wise

[compact robin]

why do i have the sudden urge to do steel soul beast crest only

[maiden stratus]

Nightmare fr

[glacial kelp]

egg is kinda ass icl

[silver nacelle]

You wanna see me fight Lost Lace with egg?

[marsh spoke]

high halls time

[obsidian swift]

the issue is that hollow knight had like two decent charm builds and the rest were just gimmicks

[lilac wind]

100% is a meaningless shiny you know. and why do you care about 100%ing a game you don't even like lmfao

[white bison]

i hated those gauntlets

[fiery burrow]

If the bug gets fixed I'd have to hate on the game slightly less

[stuck hearth]

why is it a gif?

[obsidian swift]

silksong has actual build variety

[arctic epoch]

🤔

[silver nacelle]

It's good on shaman tbh.

[white bison]

i use hunters crest

[marsh ibex]

until you take a hit and it becomes useless

[white bison]

i pretty much use only hunter crest

[marsh ibex]

and weavelight basically does the same thing but without conditional whatever

[silent sand]

oh no i have done that as well multiple times, its just that its kinda mid

[fiery burrow]

I'd like to know as much as possible about the game which I frequently critique

[lilac wind]

flea egg is fine on like every crest except shaman its so weird lmfao

[glacial kelp]

wdym like theyre dead in act 3?

[fiery burrow]

Yes

[stuck hearth]

same reason I dislike reserve bind, it can become a dead slot in a game where every slot counts

[lilac wind]

then read the wiki instead of forcing yourself to play a game you do not even enjoy to completion

[silver nacelle]

Yes, but until then you get to shave off several hundreds of hp off of the boss.

[white bison]

someone got permacursed in act 3 lol

[lilac wind]

they give you the tacks for free in act 3

[glacial kelp]

they should have it though weird
did you also do witch in act 3 magbe

[fiery burrow]

Reading the (incomplete) wiki is not the same as playing the game

[marsh ibex]

shaman can do that without egg of flealia

[lilac wind]

but you don't enjoy playing the game. so why subject yourself to it

[silver nacelle]

Oh, it is. But it's decently effective on shaman.

[stuck hearth]

it has since been fixed

[compact robin]

They die in act 3 leaving both tacks and steel spines behind
Tho iam assuming starpengu got a bug that left her unable to do that

[fiery burrow]

I don't really remember tbh

[white bison]

double void moss mother is insane

[glossy grotto]

guys what do you think of e33?

[fiery burrow]

So I can hate on it more efficiently

[restive slate]

Did the convo die immediately at 6:46 or am I lagging

[compact robin]

I did tho i had tacks before act 3

[silver nacelle]

Yeah, but you get to shave off more for free.

[lapis kernel]

Didn’t play

[glacial kelp]

no i know that but if you have both it might cause issues is my guess?

[fast reef]

I just enjoy the more aggressive gameplay in HK. I know you can do it in Silksong but it just isn't the same for me.

[elfin ore]

basiclly @arctic epoch when i do the advanced combo i basiclly go dash attack claw line dash the other direction dash the other direction again dash attack when i do the dath the other direction again i sometimes hit my enemy how do i preevent that?

[silent sand]

yeah only decently effective compared to other crests that almost all have quite good options for all slots

[arctic epoch]

Egg of Flealia, people just sometimes fail to understand what it really does for faster gameplay

[dusky patio]

its like really good but i like silksong more

[orchid river]

silksong is the better game but exp 33 gets overly glazed

[lilac wind]

So you're intentionally making both yourself and the people you talk to miserable for no reason

[marsh ibex]

Taking a tool slot isn’t free

[stuck hearth]

seems overhyped from what I have seen

[compact robin]

I wouldn't mind this one criticizing shit now

[white bison]

i was born to use the hunters crest

[silver nacelle]

True. I beat Lost Lace sub 2 minutes on camera with it.

[orchid river]

💔 how yall actually got gaslighted into thinking its peak, i dont understand

[glacial kelp]

yeah no shit you can get it in act 1

[dusky patio]

the story is good but i still like silksong more

[arctic epoch]

then yours was a subjective opinion. It's more about "accessibility" more than it being "better"

[fast reef]

Ong. Evo Hunter is fantastic

[elfin ore]

@arctic epoch

[white bison]

Yes

[fiery burrow]

I'm not miserable nor would any rational person be upon seeing my opinion

[silver nacelle]

Shaman's third tool slot is free. It's open to what you wanna take. There's not much competition there.

[lilac wind]

my apologies for not being as enlightened as the great philosopher starpengu

[compact robin]

What happens if you don't get it until act 3 and u have witch
Is it like gone

[marsh ibex]

weavelight better

[arctic epoch]

you're misunderstanding the concept of reverse-DAC. You don't dash twice, you dash, wait until Hornet is sprinting - not dashing - input the opposite input and do another DAC

[fiery burrow]

Not getting upset at opinions online isn't a high bar of philosophy but whatever

[elfin ore]

i dont quite understand can u send me a video?

[glossy grotto]

i never played it im wondering thıugh

[fast reef]

What I consider better is also my opinion.

[compact robin]

I mean it is a single player game. The whole point is your opinions shouldn't be the same as other people

[fast reef]

Its always gonna be subjective

[obsidian swift]

you can have both

[glacial kelp]

no as in
if you do witch crest in act 3, crull and benjin drop the steel spines needed for it
but if you havent picked up tacks my guess is that they might get replaced?

[dusky patio]

if you like something like paper mario it's probably your kind of game

[silver nacelle]

Oh, absolutely. I just use weavelight AND egg together for better results.

[fiery burrow]

Well there's nothing wrong with sharing an opinion but yeah

[glacial kelp]

lowkey egg and weavelight is only good for pale nails afk kills on shaman

[arctic epoch]

I never said it wasn't, I just say that the fact that you think it's better is more about "accessibility" and not more or less "quality"

[compact robin]

yea it's kinda fair ig

[delicate matrix]

The Groal group chat

[silver nacelle]

Let me go get my lost lace run without pale nails.

[white bison]

pale nails is fun

[glacial kelp]

nah like its not that big a diff with and without it

[white bison]

i use mostly threadstorm

[lilac wind]

ok but are you sharing the opinion because you like the game and want to talk about how it could be improved or because the game sucks and you want to complain to random strangers about how much the game sucks and how nothing they enjoyed was actually good

[lapis kernel]

Yeah

[silent sand]

i mean....we have silk spear

[arctic epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0JIqT-0fmJk

[glacial kelp]

you cant afk with spear though

[silver nacelle]

Pale nails is mindless gameplay for me. I don't like it at all.

[fiery burrow]

Both

[lilac wind]

cross stitch on down spell is insane 😭

[silver nacelle]

Why?

[lilac wind]

cuz if anything needs to be casted fast it's that

[silent sand]

no like you can legit afk and spam spears if needed, weavelight exists

[marsh spoke]

ddark was also down spell

[left oracle]

investing

[lilac wind]

ddark sends you down tho

[glacial kelp]

well yeah this works for any spell
by afk i mean you can just float in the air above lace

[white bison]

Say hi to silksong! we got vertical c-dash!

[delicate matrix]

Yeah its called descending dark would be weird if it made you go up

[glacial kelp]

hence the name!

[lilac wind]

i think thats called falling

[fast reef]

Fair. I just kinda miss the old charm system. I enjoy speedrunning and making games really challenge my skill but the occasional op build run is just as fun.

[compact robin]

That's called soaring the silk

[white bison]

anti falling

[plucky steeple]

ascending ark

[glacial kelp]

they shouldve made a boss thats on the ceiling that you kill with soar lowk

[delicate matrix]

dd

[lilac wind]

ok but my point is its a slam attack that happens to give iframes while cross stitch is The Iframes Move

[arctic epoch]

i mean you can always tap into the high-level gameplay scene

[left oracle]

thatd suck

[silver nacelle]

So? I can still cast it fast.

[obsidian swift]

that sounds horrible

[compact robin]

No.
Just.
No.
Why do you hate yourself

[fiery burrow]

The charm system is kinda bad but there was something really fun about quickslash

[glacial kelp]

craggler soar only when

[lilac wind]

the humble wanderers crest:

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer isn't even that good 😭 it just has quickslash, not the damage

[left oracle]

ohhh 67 mustard and packgod for days
alpha bob ohio pants!

[marsh spoke]

wanderer crest is LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

[compact robin]

It is broken but lowk
Who cares let me at fold radens with shammans and quickslash now

[plucky steeple]

stfu

[lilac wind]

quickslash didn't give damage?

[left oracle]

yall like my new song? ill continue

[glacial kelp]

coven members be saying crazy things to pull more members

[fiery burrow]

Wanderers kinda misses out on the cool pogo but that and beast is what you run if you want quickslash yes

[silver nacelle]

The damage comes from unbreakable strength. Replace it with flintslate.

[arctic epoch]

yeah, kinda exactly my point 🤔

[lilac wind]

wanderer has ridiculous dps with practically no effort put in

[arctic epoch]

i mean.. other crests can say the same thing

[glacial kelp]

the damage ev on flintslate is higher on wandy

[left oracle]

cog fly? yeah it does

[arctic epoch]

it isn't that good:

• outclassed by Beast and Hunter
• outclassed by optimal Shaman
• outclassed by tool-burst Architect
• outclassed by tech-chaining Witch

[silver nacelle]

True, but wanderer gets more chances to apply burn.

[bitter topaz]

harpoon in steelsoul :)

[delicate matrix]

video

[left oracle]

remove that fucking tomato.

[lilac wind]

outclassed by beast, the hardest crest to learn

[arctic epoch]

🤔 i mean.. I wouldn't know, Witch's gameplay is 60% animation cancels

[fast reef]

I am in the scene for both Skong and HK but being op for little effort to push a game to its absolute limit is something I like doing. But I won't complain, Skong is peak and I'm willing to learn shit to its finest detail cause I love the game.

[glacial kelp]

yes but all of those require skill

[white bison]

you can use blue dice to raise wanderers crit rate by 0.2%

[lilac wind]

outclassed by architect which requires farming

[delicate matrix]

actually what is the point of hunter its just wanderer but the diagonal slash

[obsidian swift]

the thing about wanderer is that its decent damage and requires less skill than all of these(except architect)

[compact robin]

This is why silksong is peak tho

[marsh spoke]

• outclassed by reaper because reaper fans play the game

[arctic epoch]

hardest to learn, i'd agree
-# not hardest to master tho

[lilac wind]

also 'outclassed by hunter' is very funny

[glacial kelp]

besides arch but shhh

[compact robin]

Honestly the main point of wanderers is being a very easy to use crest that's very powerful
Idc wanderers is just really easy

[fiery burrow]

Wanderer gives you a ton of versatility and damage for very minimal effort idk why this channel is dead-set on convincing people its bad

[dusky patio]

who cares about crests
i play architect without spamming tools because it's more fun

[white bison]

i dont like the heal of beast

[silver nacelle]

I suppose so.

[compact robin]

Get double jump
Now

[fiery burrow]

AFAIK its only outclassed by hunter on hitless too

[glacial kelp]

people hate wandy since its boring which is valid

[arctic epoch]

yeah.
-# generic and nostalgia bait. Pattheic of a crest.

I love all crest

[plucky steeple]

wanderer crest mains when clawline instead of c-dash (it isnt excactly like hollow knight)

[white bison]

or witch

[silver nacelle]

I respect the hell out of drilltect.

[bitter topaz]

hollup im in cowgowrk core rn

[marsh spoke]

because it's lame as fuck

[elfin ore]

@arctic epoch (Important)

[dusky patio]

i do not "tacks"
i do not "hollow purple with voltvessels"
i one-trick with flintslate. and if that doesnt kill the boss? i. don't. win.

[glacial kelp]

wandy mains when their down spell does nothing (they expected ddark)

[arctic epoch]

Allow me to introduce to you:

• Witch gameplay

[compact robin]

Ok
Get double jump and immediately grind upgrades

[fallen bear]

i may not have a brain gentlemen
but i have an idea

[fiery burrow]

but we don't need to lie about how good it is to say that

[marsh spoke]

true

[fast reef]

Witch pogo plus sawblade into binding?

[marsh spoke]

but i like posting misinformation on the internet

[glacial kelp]

thats old news buddy

[fast reef]

Just trying to guess what they're gonna say buddy

[glacial kelp]

that is part of it i suppose!

[raven ember]

I’m still on 40hr mark with like 2% completion

[compact robin]

Proof

[fallen bear]

on your phone.
with the initial 100% achievement.

[elfin ore]

tom whatch the video and tell me how to fix wutever im doing wrong plesae

[fallen bear]

yeah man yer nickname aint lying

[elfin ore]

watch*

[arctic epoch]

you don't stop holding Dash when you dash out of Clawline. You're just doing normal DAC

[compact robin]

I just cba to get all masks and sylphsong

[raven ember]

I’m exaggerating on the 2% but I do have like 40hrs with idk how much completion

[elfin ore]

oh k ill try and the 2nd problem where i parry above him?

[compact robin]

Source

[dusky patio]

anyway. representatives of the witch coven can we, the architects, truce

[velvet junco]

What's the most interesting scientific fact that's still school friendly (gotta tell the school some facts but that includes kids in primary so it has to be interesting enough to 17 year Olds while still being family friendly enough for 7 year Olds)

[raven ember]

As a wanderer I cannot allow that to happen

[silver nacelle]

The witch coven only allows initiates. All else will be eliminated.

[dusky patio]

you're lucky im too dignified to spam tools at you

[arctic epoch]

Witch gameplay is very diverse in itself.

The main high-gameplay one being that of @light swan , consisting of obscure tech-chaining [ warding bind, reverse-DAC-chain ]

Then there is someone like @graceful oyster who is leaning more onto the pogo side of thing, i suppose

And then I'm more of a clawline player so i mostly use CSC or CSP

[silver nacelle]

That probably includes me too.

[twilit reef]

What?

[atomic ravine]

100% on mobile??? nice

[raven ember]

I’d parry your random bullshit anyway

[arctic epoch]

just don't parry above?

[elfin ore]

yh but i get clawline height

[atomic ravine]

Will u do steel soul ?

[compact robin]

Hitting your enemies in silksong with your needle gives you a little bit of silk

[compact robin]

Look at the left side of the screenshot.

[dusky patio]

tough luck! drill pierces counters!

[fast reef]

I'm gonna hafta look into that. I mainly use Hunter and Arch but I am familiar with some Witch.

[velvet junco]

Bro

[obsidian swift]

what are any of those acronyms

[compact robin]

They cussing yo family bruh

[velvet junco]

Chat asking cause robots don't know a thing about "interesting" what's the most interesting scientific fact

[silver nacelle]

I love this clip.

[raven ember]

Na, I’d parry

[lapis kernel]

I love crest mechanic. It is cool how they made them balanced

[median ivy]

nerf reaper

[elfin ore]

@arctic epoch ( also important )
plesae tell me a good enemy to practice on
because grand reed usually just flys up
Or gets voided

[dusky patio]

touche ig

[lapis kernel]

Buff wanderer

[raven ember]

I even parried the collision damage

[obsidian swift]

buff architect

[silver nacelle]

Buff Team Cherry.

[plucky steeple]

buff me

[lapis kernel]

Yeah, make it don’t require shards

[arctic epoch]

Warding Bind: Possible Maximum Witch's Binding damage by including a Warding Bell interruption at the end for an extra needle damage

reverse-DAC-chain: reverse dash attack [ with clawline cancel ] chained by dashing cancel the clawline cancel

CSC: sawtooth cancel a clawline by DJump cancel the clawline and then DDash cancel the DDjump

CSP is a follow up like C-SP where SP stands for Sawtooth Pogo: Sawtooth Pogo cancel your clawline by DJump cancel the clawline then Pogo cancel the DJump

[fast reef]

Go full scorched silk and nerf all crests

[lapis kernel]

Fr

[dusky patio]

imo arch doesnt need a buff. it just needs a change. make it buff tools instead of refilling them whenever

[arctic epoch]

grand reed is about the best you can do
or practice against a wall

[silver nacelle]

The amount of witch tech is getting absurd.

[elfin ore]

bruh

[twilit reef]

I’m afraid of like most of my covens tech

[elfin ore]

can u fight gms in act 3?

[raven ember]

Buff wanderer crest, make it parry everything in the game

[lilac wind]

i think there are mods to add noai grand reeds

[silver nacelle]

Leave the coven. Join another side. I'm totally not evil.

[elfin ore]

Woah i suddenly did way better on a wall

[twilit reef]

I am not as dedicated to learning the tech as like half the others i just like sawtooth pogoing

[fast reef]

Give arch the charm effect that throws 2 tools out at once but with the cost of 1 tool and give the charm the build effect

[arctic epoch]

the fact that I know what DACSPCSP stands for is pretty funny to me

[dusky patio]

what i want is an architect crest that is made to potentially branch into multiple playstyles. pin badge would work like nmg from hk with my idea

[silver nacelle]

That looks like the result of someone wiping their face across their keyboard.

[raven ember]

I can’t afford electricity in the white palace anymore bc my damn saws so I feel you

[keen solstice]

Hardest crest, you say?
https://youtube.com/shorts/H6WBkSXYRTM?si=jdfwdTUPXNWGnGFE

[obsidian swift]

wow
thats a lot

[arctic epoch]

DACSPCSP: DAC -> SP -> C - > SP

Looks easier to understand now, don't it?

[fast reef]

I see the vision

I feel like Eva should have had more for your crests

[keen solstice]

Hunter has the highest nail dps while having 2 red tools, lol

[fiery burrow]

Beast is pretty hard to learn despite being busted yes

[fast reef]

Felt kinda weird to only get Vesicrest and Evo Hunter

[lapis kernel]

Is there any witch techs guide? No way I’m gonna learn it by myself

[fiery burrow]

New buffs made it substantially easier but its still difficult

[hexed ingot]

silksong dlc idea courier quest: deliver buzzsaw to pale king

[silver nacelle]

I already knew what it was about. I was just pointing out that it does, in fact, look like the result of someone wiping their face across their keyboard.

[elfin ore]

tom im about to send u a vid plesae tell me how i can improve

[raven ember]

Yeah I need more

[lilac wind]

"hunter has the highest nail dps of any crest that isn't wanderer"

[arctic epoch]

here's a guide covering the more basic stuff [ made by me of course ]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZONLW6MTS8&t

[lapis kernel]

Ok, thanks

[marsh spoke]

these motherfuckers are literally just pain elementals i want them all dead

[hexed ingot]

"nail dps"

[arctic epoch]

can't wait to extend that acronym even further

[keen solstice]

Uh, wanderer has lower nail dps than hunter, lol
It also has lower nail dps than beast

[fast reef]

Straight to my watchlist

[silver nacelle]

To be fair, this applies to every crest.

[hexed ingot]

temu soul master

[delicate matrix]

Their voice tho

[lilac wind]

...wanderer has higher nail dps than hunter, what the fuck are you talking about?

[obsidian swift]

hunter with max focus

[delicate matrix]

cursed?

[lilac wind]

it also has higher nail dps than non-fury beast

[hexed ingot]

"nail"

[keen solstice]

It doesn't, lol
Max focus hunter matches and even surpasses beast

[silent sand]

ngl there is something that we dont quite take into consideration in the beast vs hunter discussion for highest nail dps, its that hunter takes some time to charge up unlike beast so i feel like beast is probably gonna end up killing bosses faster anyway

[silver nacelle]

I guess witches have a different definition of spell from Shamans.

[lilac wind]

until you get hit once

[arctic epoch]

what you're thinking about is base needle

also yes, it's needle, not nail

[fast reef]

Evo Hunter plus the double damage charm

[silver nacelle]

Yes.

[keen solstice]

When are you ever not in fury on beast?

[delicate matrix]

and you got a build to play on radiant

[silent sand]

hunter has a 40% damage boost if you dont get hit, beast crest has a damage boost and a speed boost in fury mode, wanderer isnt at the top

[arctic epoch]

Witch be running calculations of the atoms to be able to get out of bed on a Tuesday morning

[obsidian swift]

when youre bad at the game(me)

[keen solstice]

Got buffed to 50% on hinter

[silver nacelle]

50%

[lilac wind]

about half the time?

[fiery burrow]

Playing perfectly isn't really feasible

[fast reef]

Is there any tech with the Trobbio charms?

[silent sand]

oh wait what? damn didnt know that

[fiery burrow]

wrt Hunter focus that is

[lilac wind]

rare starpengu w

[keen solstice]

Is this half the time?
https://youtu.be/d-sXiVEF43c?si=l1C-EtjjgjCQ8lHQ
https://youtu.be/TQ_rh0kFqK4?si=tXIdhRL-boQHaeCq

[silent sand]

yeah thought it was 40 mb, makes it even better

[silver nacelle]

Lol.

[silent sand]

i am pretty sure beast has a 100% uptime on fury with perfect gameplay

[keen solstice]

Beast effectively has 95% uptime on bind except against very fast enemies like first sinner and shakra.

[silver nacelle]

It used to be 40%, but it was buffed to 50%. I'm just letting you know.

[arctic epoch]

Wanderer is only above Reaper when it comes to optimal gameplay.

[lilac wind]

is this really a good example of most beast users' gameplay

[silent sand]

ah, was it this patch?

[keen solstice]

Uh, yes, lol, beast crest is literally braindead as fuck

[lilac wind]

nevermind that wanderer out dpsing beast without fury is just literally a fact

[silver nacelle]

No, one before.

[keen solstice]

Thread storm nerf patch

[fast reef]

I swear Im gonna need someone to dm a buncha Skong tech 😭

[arctic epoch]

it might be ragebait, captain

[silent sand]

yeah but who is not in fury mode with beast crest

[fiery burrow]

Beast with injector bands can pop a heal during iframes from being hit iirc so yeah you can and will spend most of the time in bossfights with beast mode

[keen solstice]

And you're never outside of fury on beast,

[silent sand]

ahh i didnt read the patch notes, i only remember the threadstorm nerf @keen solstice

[lilac wind]

...if you're the best beast player in the entire world or near that level

[silver nacelle]

I once again feel like reaper is a jack of all trades, master of none.

You can put any build on it and it'll work. Not as well as the crest that build belongs to, but well.

[hexed ingot]

wanderer is just quick slash the crest

[silent sand]

it took me to reach that level with a few hours of playing it 😭 not the perfect level in the video or anything, just enough to maintain a very high % of fury against a boss

[keen solstice]

Literally just watch the videos i sent
I'm LITERALLY just holding forward and spamming attack on karmelita and lace, facetanking, while having near perfect uptime, LOL

[arctic epoch]

if you're willing, here's the youtube of the Herald (the one who birted all of this)
https://www.youtube.com/@illusion6546/shorts

[lilac wind]

"you're always in fury with beast" is equivalent to saying "you're always at max focus with hunter"

[keen solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586931790208434203/1437522190441517096/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_3.mp4?ex=69138c5e&is=69123ade&hm=1ac4aa3e37b189f18952b50fd98ba9a13c2ff631c03544af0973fc0fd67c93be&

[fiery burrow]

It is not because always being in fury doesn't entail perfect gameplay

[obsidian swift]

ok thats an insane thing to say

[silent sand]

being at max focus with hunter is actually a lot harder since you cant just face tank it

[fast reef]

Yeah, its a more defensive crest. Long range to keep away from enemies at the cost of slower gameplay and the extra silk from the binding effect for healing more.

[arctic epoch]

frankly... yes?... because it's optimal gameplay

[marsh spoke]

"i never played beast crest and this is my take"

[lilac wind]

IM LITERALLY DOING BEAST ONLY LMFAO

[delicate matrix]

THIS GUY USES clipchamp!

[arctic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[elfin ore]

https://www.veed.io/view/46c53e9c-e6b3-458b-94d7-6bb5290ddd28?source=editor&panel=share hey @arctic epoch this is my attempt pls tell me how i can improve and tell me in my dm cuz i gtg afk so i might not see it

[silver nacelle]

Are the beast users and wanderer users fighting over whose crest is more brainless to use?

[indigo eagle]

this was what the blasted steps was gonna be btw

[lilac wind]

ive tried ooga booga face tanking karmelita and it literally doesn't work idk what to say

[fast reef]

Thx dawg, gonna be one helluva road to becoming one of the best which is my hope.

[dusky patio]

hatcat can i discuss a truce between the shamans and the architects

[fiery burrow]

Never forget

[marsh spoke]

well then you're doing something wrong what can i say

[silver nacelle]

Us shamans don't care about fighting y'all.

[indigo eagle]

We got robbed

[arctic epoch]

very improved actually, now you just gotta do it in a real fight

[lilac wind]

if this was in the game yall would be saying it looks like a hollow knight area

[keen solstice]

I just sent you a vid doing ooga booga facetanking against karmelita and it literally works
Want me to send another one before the beast fury pierce change?

[silent sand]

seems so

[dusky patio]

ok cool 👍

[fiery burrow]

That looks nothing like HK though 🥴

[lilac wind]

because it does

[silent sand]

shamans and architects are mutual in their ranged playstyle

[fiery burrow]

Keep in mind this is 2019 when the game looked drastically different too

[lilac wind]

hornet's cloak is even more muted than it is in silksong lol

[steel veldt]

Dawg every area in this game looks like a hk area 😭

[twilit reef]

Why must crests fight?

[orchid locust]

blasted steps does make sense over coral gorge though; it would look weird if one side of the citadel was all desolate and bilewater and the other side was a lush coral reef completely untouched by the citadel

[silver nacelle]

We chill.

[marsh spoke]

are the people who would be complaining about coral forest in the room with us now

[silver nacelle]

How did we get to this point?

[dusky patio]

not me im spamming drills on they asses

[fast reef]

Shaman got used by me like once and it was for Flea games

[lilac wind]

moss grotto, the areas with lava everywhere

[dusky patio]

(they being bosses)

[hexed ingot]

is this another boring ass crest discussion

[silent sand]

beast crest underappreciation, wanderer crest overhype

[lilac wind]

Literally yes

[fiery burrow]

No one has ever complained about coral gorge looking like HK in the history of ever

[lilac wind]

"wanderer crest overhype" yall got on me for saying it was a strong choice lmfao

[steel veldt]

Ah yes greenpath 3 and kingdoms edge with lava

[silver nacelle]

This fandom is a prison.

[raw pawn]

Everytime I come here I find someone saying "reaper sucks" 😭

[silent sand]

i mean you started with calling wanderer the highest needle dps

[fiery burrow]

Before Silksong released all I can remember here was people (including myself) hyping up how beautiful the game looked and how lively the kingdom was gonna be

[marsh spoke]

well this random team cherry apologist says someone did so this must mean everyone would complain

[obsidian swift]

looks nothing like kingdoms edge????

[fossil spear]

Never cook again

[keen solstice]

It's so much of a strong choice that it's mediocre compared to most other options
Oh wow

Wanderer is easy to use, but not strong

[silent sand]

then you tried saying beast crest fury mode uptime wasnt gonna be that high unless perfect gameplay so non fury vs wanderer was a viable comparison

[lilac wind]

cuz it is at base level. best needle damage with no strings attached

[steel veldt]

Nah marrow does

[fast reef]

I mean tbf it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks so long as you enjoy using it

[twilit reef]

What the hell is the point anymore

[orchid locust]

silksong sucks because bilewater looks too much like the UK

[arctic epoch]

There's no "underappreciation" or "overhype"

it's just fuckass crestist when they're presented a bunch of facts

[hexed ingot]

ik💔

[icy crow]

The Marrow literally has no resemblance to Kingdom's Edge at all

[silent sand]

what is base level exactly tho, like no crest gimmicks or anything

[fossil spear]

Im dying

[obsidian swift]

i dont see the correlation

[hexed ingot]

maybe the uk is based off bilewater

[icy crow]

It's all made up of bones, not rocks

[silver nacelle]

Hey, at least appreciate the memes we got out of this.

Check the gifs. By god, is there some gold in there.

[keen solstice]

Beast fury and hunter focus shit on wanderer, and beast fury is easier to use and facetabk with than even wanderer spam

[lilac wind]

essentially yes. no 'best needle damage under this special condition'

[pine grotto]

bilewater is underrated

[steel veldt]

Oh the shaman area then

[fossil spear]

Tc spent 2 years making the game and 5 years building london

[young stratus]

NOMINATED GAME OF THE YEAR!!

[keen solstice]

bilewater is amazing

[lilac wind]

best needle damage if you literally never get hit, best needle damage if you turn your brain off completely, etc

[icy crow]

Coral Forest DLC releasing January 12th by the way

[pine grotto]

Ost is insane ngl

[dusky patio]

drillitect isnt even the best needle damage with needle art but i still use it

[fossil spear]

Silkposting in discord

[silent sand]

i mean...yeah thats correct but the thing is...while hunter is actually difficult to get the max dps out of, beast actually gets highest dps even if you get hit, it actually encourages you to get hit so that you can extend the duration of fury by healing the masks

[orchid locust]

i can't wait for the Paris DLC on february 18

[fast reef]

Thats just an expansion of Bile Water dude

[lapis kernel]

That was actually helpful

[lilac wind]

erm dont you know bilewater actually represents how much team cherry HATES their playerbase. thats why they made a game with more content cost exactly as much as hollow knight

[fiery burrow]

"best needle damage if you turn your brain off completely" ??? that's a good thing for beast

[icy crow]

It's true I am friends with John Hallow Nights (the Creator™)

[silent sand]

so like the better you get at the game, the lesser that a crest like wanderer appeals to you cause its a good crest, but it has almost no gimmicks

[fiery burrow]

HK costed less

[lilac wind]

$15 in 2017 dollars is $20 in 2025 dollars

[silent sand]

gimmicks make the gameplay more interesting especially if it makes you do more damage the more skilled you play it

[raw pawn]

Both beast and Wanderer

[fossil spear]

Isnt Mary Silk Song responsible for dlcs

[lilac wind]

a little more than $20 actually

[lapis kernel]

Yeah

[hexed ingot]

2600 rosaries for the finest pharloomian wine

[fiery burrow]

fair enough

HK is the superior game though

[lilac wind]

star are we actually in agreement that base silksong has more content than hk with all dlcs

[steel veldt]

Ehhh

[raw pawn]

Remember when silk songed his hollow knight?

[silver nacelle]

I'm still trying to get over how they're fighting over which crest is more mindless.

[lilac wind]

finally... inner peace

[icy crow]

Mary Silk Song is the one who comes up with ideas, yes, but Jessie Shawadino is the one that designs and builds them

[silent sand]

hk with all dlcs has pantheons so no

[raw pawn]

Don't forget about pablo

[fiery burrow]

Well yes Silksong sure has content of a certain quality that is definitely in more abundance than HK's

[fossil spear]

Hk has an endgame geo sing woth the troope dlc, but in SS you never really have that much rosaries, so I hope they dont make something like that again since it would be too grindy

[lilac wind]

pantheons are just lazy rehashes of old content, team cherry fell off

[fiery burrow]

Silksong's rosary sink is shellshard bundles

[worthy lintel]

Ohhh that's where you find Moorwing if you miss it

[silent sand]

[lilac wind]

anyway relative map size posted without comment

[fiery burrow]

Yeah pantheons were garbage

[steel veldt]

Godhome was lowk one of the greatest dlcs ive ever witnessed

[fading trail]

Silksong already has bellhome decorations as a rosary sink

[bronze beacon]

why not make new gods por panTHEONS (comes from pan and theos in greek which means all godt i think)

[silent sand]

i truly cannot tell if this is sarcasm or not

[raw pawn]

"omg why are you using x crest it's low skill"

Gng let me play the game how I want you didn't buy it for me

[fiery burrow]

It is not sarcasm

[silent sand]

peak of mindlessness kekw

[lapis kernel]

What mod let you refight bosses?

[silver nacelle]

[lilac wind]

star legitimately thinks TC fell off after like hidden dreams dlc

[orchid locust]

hear me out

[silver nacelle]

Lmao.

[silent sand]

how on earth is being able to let you refight all bosses if you want on harder difficulties + some different terrains + entire boss rushes a bad thing

[icy crow]

Where's my Pharloom Bay

[fiery burrow]

fell off of what they were standing on like a 12 inch tall cardboard box

[glacial kelp]

both hallownest and pharloon are actually yachts

[lilac wind]

they also resprited every single boss arena in the game lmfao

[wide ferry]

Hunter crest maybe, but I'd say beast crest is overall worse than wanderer, exploration is extremely annoying due to the pogo, and the lack of blue slots really holds it back in terms of build variety. Meanwhile wanderer is pretty solid in terms of build variety and the pogo is arguably the best for exploration.

[fiery burrow]

HK bosses aren't that good

[raw pawn]

16th chorus?

[silent sand]

😭 huh

[fast reef]

Thats why the third game'll be Zote Boat

[fiery burrow]

And I'm talking about pantheons which are boring af not hall of gods

[fossil spear]

It feels so cozy compared to SS. Silksong has better gameplay imo but I love hallownest more. The music, the environment. Silksongs backgrounds are “too far away” imo. Its grander but you need to take a step back to see it. Its probably there to help woth readablity I guess but still

[jolly oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402175033664864371/1432463254981968046/togif.gif

[steel veldt]

Theres misses for sure but theres quite a few gems

[silent sand]

wym by respirited

[fast reef]

Worst take of all time

[lilac wind]

they had to draw new arenas for every single boss in the game

[lapis kernel]

?

[silent sand]

ahh like that

[steel veldt]

Idk man

[fast reef]

Pure Vessel is the best boss between both games

[fiery burrow]

and I'm happy to be able to refight those gems yes just not in pantheons where they are surrounded with other boring junk

[silent sand]

i heard of the pantheon of pharloom but apparently its still a work in progress

[icy crow]

You guys aren't even aware of the Homecoming DLC where Zote returns to Shellwood to finally make his Life Ender useful

[short hill]

No I have it it’s out

[marsh spoke]

they're cooking you but like half of hk's bosses were big guy with 2 attacks

[devout flower]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!

[arctic epoch]

Pantheon of Pharloom is available rn

[silent sand]

no ik it exists but they said they havent worked out getting all crests at the start

[steel veldt]

Theres like maybe 4 bosses that are genuinely cancer to fight, and a ton that are pretty great, and a good amount that arent anything special but are still entertaining to fight

[fast reef]

Its gonna be so peak. I heard he'll be playable

[silent sand]

apparently we still have to go ahead and explore a bit to get the crests or something

[steel veldt]

Plus the pantheon concept is fucking gas

[midnight fractal]

ender? end update confirmed 🔥🔥🔥

[wide ferry]

Sauce?

[fast reef]

Zote Crest when??

[delicate matrix]

Homosapien

[silent sand]

i mean you have hall of gods for that, pantheon is just for harder content where you want high difficulty

[lapis kernel]

Finally

[raw pawn]

Zoteboat where you kill the vengefuly king, save bretta and beat the knight in the colosseum

[arctic epoch]

this lowkey might a good joke, like a genuinely good one in god know how long

[fiery burrow]

For every pure vessel there are two gruz mothers

[fast reef]

Name them then

[fiery burrow]

Its not really high difficulty its just a long slog

[steel veldt]

Gruz mother ain't that bad ngl

[raw pawn]

Gruz mother wasn't bad at all tho

[stuck hearth]

A tua foto de perfil é me familiar e não sei porquê

[silent sand]

the long slog...is the difficulty

[steel veldt]

Pretty quick fight especially in pantheons

[fiery burrow]

here you go

[fossil spear]

I wonder if dlc will include replayable gauntlets. They are way more “boss like” compared to Hollow Knight. And HKs main gauntlet was replayable

[silent sand]

if you want regular high difficulty without pantheons then hall of gods has ascended and radiant modes anyway

[icy crow]

Update John Hallow Nights has told me Coral Forest has been rescheduled to March 31th

[fiery burrow]

Unfun difficulty then

[raw pawn]

Are we really complaining about gruz mother 💔

[icy crow]

It's an artist commission

[lilac wind]

this is true of like every single game ever?

[fiery burrow]

Gruz mother is a fine starter boss I just don't want to refight it

[midnight fractal]

i can only think of 5 objectively bad fights

[silent sand]

tbf you rate half the bosses to be atleast good

[wide ferry]

NKG in b tier is crazy

[silent sand]

holy shit i just saw that 😭

[fast reef]

Can you ask him to push it to May 30th? I wanna get it with my bday money.

[steel veldt]

Gauntlets would be so cool

[devout flower]

i beated steel soul 100% under 20 in hollow knight!!

[icy crow]

Yeah I'll suggest that along with Pharloom Bay

[lilac wind]

you can't have every single boss be a pure vessel level banger because the game will become exhausting. imagine having to practice for hours to best fucking bell beast

[fast reef]

Dude GPZ fucking sucks

[lime wyvern]

why do the whispering vaults feel like three big ass rooms- wait it is

[stuck hearth]

eu sei, acho que é porque me faz lembrar de uma série de livros de quando era pequeno

[lilac wind]

GG!!

[silent sand]

ngl i really wanna go back and fight HHG cause damn that was cool

[marsh spoke]

good boss =/= hardd

[midnight fractal]

how the hell is soul warrior next to nkg 💔

[lime wyvern]

shit feels more connected than cogwork core

[devout flower]

TYSM

[steel veldt]

Its a varied fight in every instance you fight him which is why the sweats like him

[native canyon]

wife,,,

[marsh spoke]

cogwork dancers exist, they're good and they're easy

[ionic dock]

oblobbles above no eyes?

[marsh spoke]

and fun to refight

[devout flower]

i cheesed them

[fossil spear]

congrats! Ive beaten it just a little over 20 hour today too! Did you use main menu quit method or did it “legit”

[steel veldt]

ABSOLUTELY

[fast reef]

I personally think he's rng simulator without the fun of gambling

[icy crow]

Is Blasted Steps available for full exploration in act two onward?

[stuck hearth]

Address me

[fossil spear]

Oh yoh said HK i thought it was SS my bad

[fast reef]

Think so yeah

[native canyon]

I find them a bit too easy when you realize they don't have shared hp

[steel veldt]

Did you religiously do pantheons for a good while?

[ionic dock]

also why NKG in B tier but PV in S tier

[weary dune]

group master Brimm

[leaden delta]

Oh bosses
uhh gh challenges considered ordered

[stuck hearth]

yes

[fast reef]

I did all pantheons with all bindings, yes

[fiery burrow]

Man I sure wish there was a silk related game renowned for its difficult an fun bossfights that focused on hunting quests...

I love MHRise ❤️‍🩹 and silksong has pretty good fights too ig

[leaden delta]

Gpz is awesome

[fossil spear]

You dont even need act 2. Act 2 just opens up some shortcuts I think

[fiery burrow]

Pufferfish kills the pacing of NKG and it just doesn't have a lot of replay value

[native canyon]

nyleth so high I respect it I respect it

[ionic dock]

why isn't plasimified zango in S tier

[wide ferry]

Maybe they could call it silksong

[silent sand]

man it seems nkg is kinda not that popular?

[pure nebula]

I love how Hornet because she speaks has to justify the batshit insane things she does in game to NPCs. "Why did you slurp your deceased shamen friend you pyscho?!"

[stuck hearth]

Putting nosk and unravelled before big flea is a treason

[ionic dock]

pufferfish is fair but i think they're pretty similar in their predictability

[fast reef]

Right? NKG is like the 2nd best boss

[fossil spear]

First time I took a break from godhome I was like “holy shit there is an entire game with a map outside of combat”

[silent sand]

nah he is still like maybe 4th for me but still

[fast reef]

1.PV, 2.NKG, 3. Last Judge

[glacial kelp]

who's above nkg

[wide ferry]

3rd for me, beating pure vessel for the first time was generational for me

[native canyon]

pufferfish sucks and then nkg kinda remains the same throughout the entire fight, there's no dynamic factor despite him having 3 distinct phases 🥴

[ionic dock]

he can get really predictable, still fun though

[marsh spoke]

godhome syndrome

[silent sand]

absrad, pv, soul tyrant i feel like, but it could go either way with soul tyrant

[devout flower]

i only quote and goed back that one in the hive when i was in 1 mask

[ionic dock]

i would put NKG in top tier just for everything other than the moveset

[leaden delta]

it’s just a mid ass boss in gh it isn’t interesting and it’s boring and you can’t do anything interesting with him

[silent sand]

moveset hmm

[glacial kelp]

soul tyrant is so ass man he's on the screen for like 3 seconds

[silent sand]

i mean if you time him right you can use spells and narts against him

[leaden delta]

Challenges only make nkg longer it doesn’t make the fight any more interesting

[devout flower]

and soul master

[fast reef]

Beating NKG was one of the most satisfying things Ive done in a game

[wide ferry]

I wish there was a way to stun him, imagine hitting him back with his own projectiles

[fossil spear]

Congrats again! I used that start too so no judgement from me

[silent sand]

i mean i hated him at the start, calling him one of the worst bosses in the game for that, but when you start predicting him, planning and using spells pre emptively you feel so good

[stuck hearth]

I like him

[glacial kelp]

sometimes you just can't hit him since he tps across the room

[leaden delta]

also puffer kills pacing

[silent sand]

well thats why you time the spells

[leaden delta]

fuck puffer

[wide ferry]

He's fine, but drags on for too long imo

[fossil spear]

I couldnt beat him no matter what, then a friend started watching me play. Then I bet that Ill beat him in the next 10 attempts. Then boom

[marsh spoke]

nkg is alright then he hits you with the puffer and then it's a SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG

i prefer pv

[glacial kelp]

i do shriek him but it's not full damage since he just leaves

[fiery burrow]

Soul Tyrant so tuff

[native canyon]

karmelita is nkg but good
-# I don't think they're really similar beyond the "dance" gimmick and being red but people compare them a lot and I needed to make a point

[fast reef]

The power of gambling 🥲

[pure nebula]

Just cleared all of Verdania. Not that bad. Folks made it sound like Bilewater 2.

[silent sand]

damn modded soul tyrant

[neat python]

Guys can someone boost me to lost lace I'm stuck on act 2 willing to pay 5 dollars #REMOVE DIAGONAL POGO

[leaden delta]

I don’t know how this isn’t more popular. nyleth is one of the only fights I care about

[ionic dock]

voltvyrm is pure vessel but good

[fast reef]

Not even close to bad. Just has a really shitty mini boss

[silent sand]

what did i just read

[native canyon]

2 steps ahead

[fossil spear]

Especially for normal grim where you get too much damage in with spells at the start so you gotta watch him do the pufferfish attack twice or even thrice since those thresholds are already crossed

[ionic dock]

voltvyrm is pure vessel but good

[fiery burrow]

Waiter waiter more soul tyrant bugs please

[foggy tapir]

no

[native canyon]

too many people cheese her and don't see how awesome she actually is

[raw pawn]

Did we actually kill the nightmare heart when we killed nkg?

[silent sand]

[steel veldt]

Puffer fish attack not that bad

[marsh spoke]

on normal grimm i've had him do every single puffer back to back 💀

[neat python]

Why are people always just discussing silk song whenever I join this channel😂it's hella annoying

[foggy tapir]

no floor is just too bad bro

[native canyon]

you wanna engage with the fight? FUCK YOU

[leaden delta]

puffer is such a fucking boring attack though

[fossil spear]

Exact opposite, you fed it basically

[timid plinth]

what is silksong?

[wide ferry]

Spamming clawline on nyleth makes the fight so peak man

[steel veldt]

Not really I actually like jumping

[timid plinth]

i never heard of such thing

[native canyon]

it's a challenge to overcome
-# also don't call me bro please

[raw pawn]

Oh because of Grimmchild?

[fast reef]

I feel the puffer attack is more of a buffer attack to regain your bearings

[marsh spoke]

dont get me wrong grimm has a great design (visually) but like the fight is not allat

[neat python]

Silk... song? Nah never heard of it

[fiery burrow]

I've forgotten how to fight regular Grimm because I always just skip him with the pufferfish 😭

[leaden delta]

yeah and I like progressing the fight and not being in a cutscene every 10 seconds

[pure nebula]

Nyleth is a pretty fun aerial fight, wish hitting back the chestnuts she spawns did more damage.

[neat python]

Nah but seriously guys can someone boost me to lost lace I'm stuck on act 1 willing to pay 5 dollars

[steel veldt]

Its the fight though

[dusky patio]

nkg but slower and the bats are different

[leaden delta]

yeah and it’s bad

[fossil spear]

Yeah I think the power of grim was passed onto the grimchild, its a ritual, one day the grimchild will become the new “grim” and so it will repeat

[fiery burrow]

Anyway lets talk about why it would be tuff to fight NKG in red memory

[silent sand]

if we boost you to lost lace...isnt that just...playing the entire game for you

[plucky obsidian]

guys do i have a skill issue for not being bothered to use red tools and still having 5 masks after gm silk

[neat python]

Bla bla bla

[steel veldt]

Subjective

[foggy tapir]

i dont want to start this again d-.....

[fossil spear]

I love that hornet sprite so fucking much

[crisp heron]

if you're on xbox I'll do it for free

[fiery burrow]

kinda obvious no

[glacial kelp]

puffer as in beast pogo right
you can air parry that ig idk

[leaden delta]

I like progressing the fight so shit ig so

[silent sand]

atp you can just grab someones 100% save file

[icy crow]

Ah yes Drill Hornet

[native canyon]

[fiery burrow]

"Chocolate icecream is bad"
"Subjective"

[orchid locust]

?

[steel veldt]

I enjoy the attack gang

[neat python]

Nah because I want to actually play the game someone just do it for me

[native canyon]

how do we tie this back to silksong

[glacial kelp]

oh nkg puffer whoops
erm you can shriek it ig idk

[neat python]

5 dollar

[foggy tapir]

crying noises

[native canyon]

hunter crest is the best ice cream flavor

[fiery burrow]

Ew no

[icy crow]

Why are we talking about Voidheart bosses in here even

[fading trail]

Weaver silk is cheese

[neat python]

Take it or leave it

[orchid locust]

silk is vanilla ice cream

[leaden delta]

just say hk

[glacial kelp]

(vanilla)

[fast reef]

Ice cream is made of milk, milk is white, silk is white, boom Silksong

[marsh spoke]

@native canyon guess who lost a high halls gauntlet nohit at the last wave

[dusky patio]

and architect crest is the best boba flavor

[fiery burrow]

Silksong in MY silksong-discussion channel? Its more likely than you think

[pure nebula]

I mean, if you won, you won. Sounds like your missing a lot of content and making fights longer by not using your reds.

[leaden delta]

nobody is saying hollow knight 2. like only the first one is being called hk

[native canyon]

[silent sand]

imma be honest, how would you even know if someone hasnt just swapped your save file for theirs and just says they completed the game on your account and takes your 5 dollars

[orchid locust]

what if i just don't talk about silksong

[marsh spoke]

maestros are fucking annoying but the rest is alright ig

[native canyon]

getting owned by mr. honey dipper and his twin brother the honey maker

[dusky patio]

then you're not talking about silksong

[leaden delta]

exactly its ass

[fast reef]

Bees

[fossil spear]

Guys despite our differences I think ee can all agree that silksong is a very bad game right?

[steel veldt]

I didnt use tools for awhile cuz the input inconvenient asf and I think its a crime you can't change the input

[marsh spoke]

what if it's not brothers and its yuri actually

[neat python]

What bro? 😭 grok summarise ts paragraph it's too long😭

[fiery burrow]

maestros are voiced by trobbio so they're alright

[leaden delta]

nkg is just kinda mid it's meh. idc

[orchid locust]

what skyrim mountain texture do you guys prefer

[silent sand]

last one
bottom right

[native canyon]

choir clapper yuri,,,

[fiery burrow]

hi yes

[dusky patio]

i prefer number 3

[steel veldt]

Nkg really cool

[silent sand]

bottom left is also pretty cool, would consider it 2nd

[fossil spear]

Team Cherry peaked at Hungry Knight, its all downhill from there

[icy crow]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[arctic epoch]

• Cut pharloom bay
• Scrapped Coral area
• Cut Vespa boss
• Cut ending
• Cut NPCS
• Scrapped Beast nstrike
• Scrapped red

TC fucking rushed Silksong, its an objectively bad game

[orchid locust]

they're both by the same author interestingly

[fiery burrow]

TC creates ONE good game after a track record of making mid game jams and suddenly we all expect Silksong to be good because ???

[wide ferry]

What are yall's fanmade crest ideas?

[silent sand]

fascinating

[leaden delta]

https://tenor.com/view/c09-class-of-09-jecka-nicole-this-is-untrue-gif-4000723267221157660

[neat python]

Silkslop is an unmitigated catastrophe of design — an exercise in masochism disguised as “challenge.” It’s not skillful, it’s sadistic. Every encounter feels like a deliberate act of cruelty, an insult to anyone who dares to believe that reflexes or intellect might triumph here. Hollow Knight was elegant — measured difficulty, poetic rhythm, and earned mastery. Silkslop, by contrast, is chaos incarnate — an erratic, ego-crushing ballet of nonsense that mocks the very notion of “gitting gud.” It’s not a test of skill; it’s a declaration of war on sanity.

[fast reef]

Lace Crest and Void Crest

[silent sand]

someone made a boxer hornet crest

[leaden delta]

wait what ending did they cut

[fervent sundial]

Witch crest but the bind does a cross stitch instead of a thread storm

[native canyon]

you're right tc peaked at hungry knight

[fossil spear]

Cut the promised 15 hours lace “scene”

[keen solstice]

Wait, beast had a different nail strike?

[icy crow]

Team Cherry: "I will add all the cut content back in DLCs"

[fervent sundial]

Delicious

[junior epoch]

Guys what's the New silksong patch ?

[wide ferry]

Team cherry should hire you

[subtle rain]

I saw one where she throws hands instead of using her needle

[marsh spoke]

strung to serve

[steel veldt]

Saw it in a screenshot I think

[fast reef]

Silksong: Directors Cut

[fiery burrow]

an ugly af one

[native canyon]

ending where gms binds hornet and strengthens the haunting, the fight used to have a fail condition but they removed that lol

[pure oracle]

genuinely why did they cut so much stuff

[slow pasture]

hot take: garmond's death is the saddest thing in both hk and silksong

[arctic epoch]

the one saw in the first trailer was a beast's nstrike

[light swan]

fine by me, it’s not like there was conflict before tho right

[wide ferry]

Anyone got a video or screenshot of it

[dusky patio]

no, i just want a truce in case things do go sideways

[indigo eagle]

the dude legit is a nothing burger character

[leaden delta]

damn they suck

[neat python]

Guys can someone give me some tips for karmelita please, like a few

[marsh spoke]

its probably a remnant from pre act 3 times

[steel veldt]

Lame lowk that wouldve been awesome

[indigo eagle]

Quirrel and Zotes death is way more sad

[keen solstice]

What is that
Is that literally just another hunter nstrike bust now fashioned as beast

[fast reef]

What about my boy Quirrel?

[light swan]

are you gonna wage war on another faction and youre making this alliance early incase you lose

[leaden delta]

ohm y goddddd i already have 200 hours on silksong fuck this game

[fossil spear]

Its the greedy corpo dropfeeding content that should already be in game as dlc tactic, shame on tc

[native canyon]

yeah with the bells and shit

[marsh spoke]

if i had to guess strung to serve would've been the thk equivalent, weaver queen the sealed siblings equivalent and then we'd probably have something else as true ending equivalent

[subtle rain]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-19047173

[neat python]

Grok summarise this please

[slow pasture]

we dont see it on screen and quirrel doesnt have a dog who got sad when he died

[pure oracle]

quirrels murder*
he only died because you just had to go talk to him in that room

[marsh spoke]

that is 3 sentences dude

[fervent sundial]

It is the other way around

[icy crow]

Nah Zote deserves to be fucking served as a gourmet food to Vengefly King

[fiery burrow]

when you want to play silksong but you realize you have a grudge to hold and don't want it to gain more hours 💔

[marsh spoke]

source

[fossil spear]

Grok whag dkes this mean

[silent sand]

is that the charged nail attack or dashing nail attack

[slow pasture]

you werent the one who killed him

[arctic epoch]

cave in, all road lead to Bilewater

[neat python]

Can you shorten this pls too long to read

[fossil spear]

Chatged flr shre

[fervent sundial]

Idk, weaver queen is the “normal” ending. Strung to serve simply gives off “bad” ending

[fiery burrow]

Dash attacks dont exist mid air iirc

[fast reef]

Read the Quirrel comic dude, then you'll be sad

[quiet fossil]

https://youtu.be/fZiVwCTu_8g?si=hSmqNTgcBj-0UYVA dis so accurate bri i cant 😭

[marsh spoke]

so the source is just vibes ok

[slow pasture]

i read it

[fervent sundial]

I said idk

[silent sand]

if you are floating and charge it, its possible

[fiery burrow]

Weaver Queen is also a bad ending

[hasty turtle]

This build carried me through the game, hands down the best (I would probably use injector band instead of long claw though)

[subtle rain]

Im aware. Just disagree with the garmond thing. Yeah I cried when garmond died, but not nearly as hard as when I left the blue lake, came back, and quirrel was gone.

[native canyon]

I think the coral tower stuff added like 10 hours and I'm not even done

[leaden delta]

https://x.com/onionsued/status/1990801124715368692?

the onionsu (@Onionsued)

Reaching for the stars
#Silksong

X · Nov 18, 2025, 3:15 PM

[marsh spoke]

anyway since we're talking about hours i don't really have that many on this game

[steel veldt]

The canonical bad ending

[foggy tapir]

krill yourshelf

[marsh spoke]

i still have a few hours to go

[pure oracle]

i dont remember where but i heard somewhere that strung to serve was for not activating all bell shrines before killing gms

[foggy tapir]

what is there even lef tto do bro

[fiery burrow]

My condolences

[fast reef]

What if Silksong never ends? Skong Eternal featuring the Silkslayer

[silent sand]

imma be honest, what are you even doing 😭

[slow pasture]

garmond is the only boss in gaming that made me cry
and i beat undertale's true ending

[marsh spoke]

i still have an entire act and a bit worth of bosses to nohit

after taht uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh we'll see

[steel veldt]

Glad you liked garmond gang ig

[fossil spear]

Speaking of dash attacks, why the hell does hornet start the charge attack when it attacks while dashing even if you dont hold it. It’s unintuitive and genuinely prevents me from using it in combat when I wanna dash but also charge. It starts to run and I cant stop until I let go of the charge

[icy crow]

Silksong but an evil Zote constantly chases you and deals three masks of damage in contact (yes, three)

[native canyon]

bump up those numbers 🥱

[marsh spoke]

and before you tell me to pick up a different game i dont have a mouse to do that atm

[arctic epoch]

huh?