sk-discussion

[cerulean sable]

honsetly tho for what its worth i think its one of those HK ideas they added cuz "it sounds reasonable to the world and in general" but couldve been better in practice

[coarse leaf]

Me with stun grenades in MGS

[rapid topaz]

I think this could be the case for spells with soul, you'll get hit a lot in first playthrough and maybe you'll want more healing than any other form of extra damage
for currencies well idk it depends on how valuable the things you could get are

[cerulean sable]

yeah, i think psychologically it works like

i need this soul to heal myself for future damage

but if the psychology was shifted to, if i use my soul to kill this guy asap, i wouldnt need to heal in the end

[rapid topaz]

that works when healing and damage have a separate source

[cerulean sable]

like the best defense is a good offense as its overdone now, its not that different in HK and a lot of strategy game:

the best defense is to kill the enemy asap so they dont deal damage in the first place

[coarse leaf]

Is it weird that my brother’s friend, who is 20, calls be baby/babe , and flirts with me a lot ?

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah, but it isnt

[coarse leaf]

It’s starting to seem not like a joke and I don’t have any other server to ask this in.

[cerulean sable]

uhhh kinda weird to say that in this server

tbh

[flat remnant]

Is it a guy

[cerulean sable]

going to be real

[flat remnant]

If it's a woman don't overthink it unless she's forcing you to listen/play along or something

[serene chasm]

yeah, thats weird.

[rapid topaz]

also honestly it's hard to tell how much damage a spell do to enemies or bosses, especially bosses, you're like "ha it don't seems to stagger them or doing anything relevant, I'll just keep it for healing"

that must have happened a lot

[cerulean sable]

yeah information is a big key role too, they wouldnt know that 1 spell is 3 nail hit

but for a new player survival will always be a priority

and psychologically survival means being able to take back lost health

[rapid topaz]

yeah

and a fireball does the same white glowing effect than a nail hit

maybe that also plays a bit in that regard

[cerulean sable]

yeah, what im curious about is how this can be "fixed"

should it be approached in a mechanical or a psychological way

[serene chasm]

Whats the topic?

[cerulean sable]

mechanically meaning i mean, could be anything (these examples isnt specifically applied or has to be at HK or SS mind you)

ie spells are their own seperate resource, spells do increase damage, an addition of damage numbers or effects etc

[frigid karma]

Honestly i think it's just that we get so used to not using it because we save that not using it becomes part of normal gameplay

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats another thing

you just end up forgetting it

[rapid topaz]

I like what they did with single mask and double mask damages, you have a different visual effect but also a different sound which is pretty remarkable from the single mask damage.
If that worked for "higher damage sources" with another type of visual effect on enemies it could work I guess

so that you tell the player it actually does damage

[cerulean sable]

resource hoarding for soul/silk with skills/spells and tools

[cerulean sable]

yeah yeah

[serene chasm]

best solution for that is have it be limited but easy enough to get back.

[cerulean sable]

thats another solution i was thinking but its harder for player vs enemies as the health computation uses the standard tenths/hundreds health computation

so you have to probably quantify at what cutoff does an attack proc the "immune/weak/average/strong hit" vfx

[rapid topaz]

Agreed

[cerulean sable]

though i dont think it will be the case for SS

maybe

[lime tundra]

hello y’all

[cerulean sable]

hopefully theyve taken some feedbacks and know how to handle them without doing absolute changes if you get me

[heady iron]

I always buy the most expensive item first often to my detriment

[lime tundra]

now I leave to read

[lime tundra]

goodbye y’all

[rapid topaz]

getting lumafly lantern early is kind of a banger in HK

[coarse leaf]

I’m dang near sick of otacon.

[cerulean sable]

nuances and all that, if a mechanic x is beloved but a lot offputting to some, they can formulate a change that will not hurt the original playerbase while being able to capture the ones offput by it

[coarse leaf]

HOW DO I GET TO THE FRONT IF THE METAL GEAR.

[heady iron]

me grinding 5000 sen to get the dancing dragon mask piece in sekiro

[covert root]

taco

[serene chasm]

or just fuck those people

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[fiery burrow]

Hello chat hows it going?

[cerulean sable]

silksong

[fiery burrow]

[serene chasm]

silksong is dope

[charred pulsar]

agreed

[serene chasm]

they will fix every issue in SS that HK had

right Simo?

[rapid topaz]

I believe in TC, I think this could only be better in game design

[coarse leaf]

I DID IT.

[cerulean sable]

real talk im curious which parts they will stick cuz "well its our vision" and which parts will they compromise with

[fiery burrow]

Unfortunately Hornet is in the game still

[coarse leaf]

I GOT THE PICTURE

LET’S GO.

[cerulean sable]

yeah im cautiously optimistic

[rapid topaz]

well at least for that

[cerulean sable]

i have trust in them

[charred pulsar]

What are these issues Curly? Just so I can give you a proper response of course, no other reason!

[coarse leaf]

I’m only afraid it’s gonna go too fast.

[dapper granite]

biggest issue is not enough zote

[cerulean sable]

just that im less inclined to trust not because i dont believe them, but because this is their second game so its hard to gauge how they react to criticism in general 🥴

[serene chasm]

Absrad too hard

[cerulean sable]

i do remember how they reverted uumuu

[heady iron]

just don't include primal aspids or radiant markoths in silksong XDDDDDDD

[cerulean sable]

because of the feedback

so i dont think this is something i should be worried about

[fiery burrow]

I do wonder what the difficulty will be like in silksong

I'd like another optional superboss like AbsRad

[cerulean sable]

they already said SS is aiming to be an equivalent difficult to the first game

[serene chasm]

same as HK, with some things harder

[cerulean sable]

yeah

[fiery burrow]

Oh nice

Imo thats good, HK is like in the sweetspot of difficulty for me

[dapper granite]

can't wait to get stuck on a boss everyone says is easy all over again

[cerulean sable]

thats how i expect it as well, base game SS is going to be roughly similar but with a smoother difficulty curve and pacing, but the high percent WILL be higher than HK's

honestly lace is already higher than hornet

in terms of how fast it is

but maybe were just biased cuz i remember hornet being super fast, but on replays shes slow as shit

[serene chasm]

we'll get to her and be like "damn that was easy"

[cerulean sable]

this is Hornet 1 btw

[fiery burrow]

I'm surprised if I even last 20 seconds on my first attempt at the lace fight

[dapper granite]

that's one thing, the combat seems faster in ss than hk

[cerulean sable]

not seems, it is 🥴

[dapper granite]

jokes on you, i'll be down in 10

[rapid topaz]

Personnaly my main "problem" with HK is somehow... the Steelsoul mode
Because I thought this was a game mode with a bit more twist, more surprises and all and it's simply a permadeath where you can get money from eggs
I don't mean it like, as a complain, I just think this could have be epic if there was a more changes to the world or just anything. I'm not sure how to explain I can give examples if you want

[dapper granite]

yeah but like how much faster is another question

[fiery burrow]

They said that there will be more changes to silksoul, so Im optimistic in that regard

[cerulean sable]

you know, ive forgotten about the seth umbrella ability

[cinder hatch]

this is fire

[fiery burrow]

I would love if more lore is revealed there, or even new quests like Rain World slugcats

[cinder hatch]

they are doing great work

[serene chasm]

wonder if anything weve seen has been cut

[cerulean sable]

also one thing i honestly love with the dash modification:

the dashes themselves are shorter as theyre more of a speed burst before hornet enters sprint, but that means theyre a lot easier to use to close in the distance vs HKs

[cinder hatch]

thisis good

good

[cerulean sable]

ie in HK there are times i wanna dash forward but i cant cuz i know ill crash my face into their hitbox

[cinder hatch]

[fiery burrow]

Also on the topic of silksong combat I'd like to appreciate how stylish everything is

[cinder hatch]

can i join this convo?

[fiery burrow]

The tools look vicious and cool

[serene chasm]

go for it

[cinder hatch]

sweet

[dapper granite]

no

[cerulean sable]

with silksong tapping dash is just a tiny distance BUT this means i can fucking dash in, hit dash sprint out, dash sprint in, then stay aggressively by dashing towards them without the fear of face planting

[cinder hatch]

[serene chasm]

I need to make more gifs

[rapid topaz]

first, are you a silker or a songer

[cinder hatch]

Everything in SS looks cool as hell

[cinder hatch]

yes

[dapper granite]

right answer

[fiery burrow]

There's a reason why silkers are always put before songers in questions like these

[cinder hatch]

real

[fiery burrow]

Its because silkers are first place

[cinder hatch]

whats yall favourtie song?

[tiny pine]

in general ?

[cinder hatch]

yup

[rapid topaz]

Truth Beauty and Hatred

[cinder hatch]

I like a cruel angels thesis

[rapid topaz]

in HK

[tiny pine]

Shinonuga E-wa

[cinder hatch]

in genral

I like william wood

[fiery burrow]

White Palace and Pale Court just hits so hard

[serene chasm]

I love all the different fighting styles hornet has

[dapper granite]

that's a rough question, but i like classic rock

[cinder hatch]

I love thermodynamic lawyer esq. its a great song

[rapid topaz]

+150 style points

[cinder hatch]

not hk btw

[cerulean sable]

honestly i think the biggest selling point for SS done by reviewers would probably be a short segment like

"on an average playthrough around 1-2 hours in, this is your movement in HK"
footage of dash spamming with some pogo here and there

"meanwhile, in the first 30 minutes of Silksong:"
footage of Hornet ledge climbing, ledge climbing to cancel jump, sprint, sprint stab, pogo, air dash, transition back to sprint, long jump

[cinder hatch]

+ULTRAKILL

+DISREECT

[serene chasm]

hell yeah. SS needs a combo/rank thing for battles

[fiery burrow]

It seems they are putting a lot of effort in these animations, moreso than HKs basic nail slash

[cerulean sable]

thats because this is a different crest

[cinder hatch]

+MAURICE

[cerulean sable]

your crest dictates your combat moveset

[dapper granite]

kind of intimidated by how fancy hornet's fighting style is

[serene chasm]

I know

[cerulean sable]

the one in this footage is the crest of the reaper

[cinder hatch]

I got back into the game recently after not playing so its nice to see people still talking

[coarse leaf]

Gonna pull up Apple Music stats and tell.

[cinder hatch]

real

[rapid topaz]

I wonder if those fancy moves actually require a lot of skill to do or not

[dapper granite]

hell yeah brother, silksongers never die. it's kind of a problem

[cinder hatch]

{BIG SHOT}

[rapid topaz]

I'll be fine with both, just curious

[fiery burrow]

Crest system is honestly so cool

Actually genius

[cinder hatch]

tbh i fell in love with the artstle

its great

cartoon somehow works with a tradgedy

[serene chasm]

This is my fave crest. I love short but fast attacks

[dapper granite]

agreed

[cinder hatch]

real acknowlages real

[rapid topaz]

the dash mid-air is siiiiick

[cinder hatch]

real

[coarse leaf]

For this year it’s devil’s never cry , the dmc 5 version

[cinder hatch]

real

[coarse leaf]

Then epitaph by king crimson

[cinder hatch]

real

[coarse leaf]

Then screaming suicide by Metallica

[cerulean sable]

my main issue with crest is the following

1. how viable are all of them in clearing everything
2. are they different enough to warrant playstyle changes or will they end up just being cool little modifiers
3. how limiting do they make the stronger bosses as they cant revolve all the bosses to a single moveset anymore

[cinder hatch]

real

[cinder hatch]

good take

everythings needs to have a downside

but they are doing good work

[cerulean sable]

its less about the downside for me but more of "why bother"

[cinder hatch]

true

[dapper granite]

i was thinking about the playstyle thing as well, i haven't been following crest stuff but have we seen a major difference between each crest?

[cinder hatch]

do you think thet'll add blocking?

[rapid topaz]

as in, parry?

[cinder hatch]

thatd be interesting

[cinder hatch]

smthing like that

[serene chasm]

I think the mix of crest and tools will make them different enough to warrent different playthroughs with them

[cerulean sable]

we do

[serene chasm]

The smart thing to do would be to use them as loadouts for different scenerios

[cerulean sable]

well i think theyre gonna modify stats further

like some crest do more damage

[dapper granite]

oh sweet

[rapid topaz]

That will be fun

[cinder hatch]

have yall ever pondered what happens after you die?

[cerulean sable]

its a better way of doing balancing, and honestly any tools that impacts needle combat should be outright removed

ie long nail, mark of pride, quick slash, ubr strength etc

[serene chasm]

Going against a slower big boss. Grab reapers. Fast enemy, the dagger one. Groups? claws

[dapper granite]

i like the claw one, that seems pretty cool

[fiery burrow]

Silk cocoon spawns, you hit it and you get a full spool of silk

[cerulean sable]

make the range, attackspeed, damage, all those melee stats be tied to crest youre using

[cinder hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/943897468427464714.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[serene chasm]

very much agreed

[cinder hatch]

whoa, that didn't happen to my grandpa

[serene chasm]

or did it

[cinder hatch]

questions to be answered

he always did have spools of silk...

[rapid topaz]

Give me a glasscanon build so I can throw away all my money by dying 15 times in a row

[cinder hatch]

hold up

my grandpa is hornet real

[fiery burrow]

Honestly I'd love it if the bindings in pantheons weren't just hinderences, like the shell binding increasing damage

That would actually make them fun to play

[rapid topaz]

Yeah I can see why

[cinder hatch]

👍 🫀 ⭐ 🗣️ ❓

[rapid topaz]

That sounds cool

[cinder hatch]

hierglifics

[dapper granite]

but see the point of bindings is pain. no fun, just hell.

[cerulean sable]

HK kinda suffered from it because some charms are just absolutely so good, you dont wanna not pick them unless you just wanna do something weird or fun, but like on average, people will naturally optimize the fun especially if the game is already hard. So build variety suffers

Battle Brothers has this issue for me, there are like tons of perks, but everytime someone makes a build 80% of the perks they pick are always the same

out of 8 choices, pretty much the first perk you always take 95% of the time is Colossus, which increases health by 25%

[cinder hatch]

you type very fast

[fiery burrow]

Already had that in the form of pantheon 5

[cinder hatch]

[cerulean sable]

HK on the other hand usually has the core picks such being Mark of Pride, Strength, Shaman Stone and Quick Slash

[dapper granite]

team cherry sure does pander to the masochists

[wheat sail]

🧍‍♂️

[cinder hatch]

yes

and we love what they cook

[rapid topaz]

Shaman Stone is more used by Veteran players as far as I saw

[cerulean sable]

yeah

because the game scales health based on nail damage

[cinder hatch]

real

[rapid topaz]

I mean, I don't thing first-timers would think it's a core pick

[cerulean sable]

yeah its more for the optimized meta

which will happen

but in general most new players will take quick slash and mark of pride

[rapid topaz]

For sure

[cinder hatch]

mfw there is meta in a silly bug game

[serene chasm]

should SS enemies be based for hornets damage output or by area

[dapper granite]

honestly i prefer longnail over mark of pride, mark just feels too long for some reason

[cerulean sable]

id rather have 20 charms that are all viable than 40 charms where you pick 4 of them and just ignore the other 70%

[cinder hatch]

i just been using the stuppid charms. there was a meta?

[rapid topaz]

actually I really enjoyed playing the fast healing or stronger healing + spore shrooms combo in my casual playthrough, no idea why but it seemed cool

[cerulean sable]

scaling is another thing im curious

[cinder hatch]

real, spore shrom was great

[dapper granite]

because it is cool, fast healing is so based

[cinder hatch]

real

[rapid topaz]

I'm a big spore shrooms enjoyer tbh

[cerulean sable]

or at least damage, since they increased enemy health as they didnt wanna intend to make enemies too easily killable at higher nail levels

honestly i think theyll tone down the nail upgrades

[rapid topaz]

yeah, also baldur's shell seemed like a good defense option but I rarely use it now

[cerulean sable]

i guess a decent formula would be
base needle damage is 3
per upgrade is 2

so say the earlier enemies has 9 HP, upgrading once will turn that from 3 hits to 2 hits

and the max upgrade will probably push it to 11

[coarse leaf]

Hot take

[cerulean sable]

or might that be too low

[cinder hatch]

why do i feel empty?

[coarse leaf]

I prefer big health big damage to small health small damage

[cerulean sable]

i mean overall its going to scale down to nail hits anyway

[coarse leaf]

Like I prefer deadcells

1000 hp 300 damage hit

To

10 hp 3 damage hit

[serene chasm]

[coarse leaf]

I prefer watching my health fall rlly fast.

[cerulean sable]

i think its easier to adjust smaller numbers since you dont see damage

[coarse leaf]

And with big number!!!

[coarse leaf]

I’m not talking about SS

[cerulean sable]

well im talking about SS

[coarse leaf]

I’m saying in general

[wheat sail]

🤷

[serene chasm]

Lets kick all the offtopicers!

[cinder hatch]

real

[serene chasm]

SS for SS!

[cinder hatch]

REAL

[cerulean sable]

also i appreciate games more like turnbased games limiting the health down to something readable to like 20

[cinder hatch]

I like games

[rapid topaz]

IMO smaller numbers looks a bit more annoying when you're working with fractions, say like "50% more damage" to a 3 damage, what happens? does it get rounded up? rounded down? does it actually do 4.5 damage?

[cerulean sable]

if the average enemy is like 5 health, then i see a guy with 20, then i know this guy is the real deal

but if its like those number chasing games, 100000 health isnt that much different to 1000000 health

[fiery burrow]

Remove tag offtopic and start enforcing the "no extensive offtopic" rule

[coarse leaf]

Isn’t it actually against the rules while discussing silksong?

[cinder hatch]

I have no idea whats going on

[fiery burrow]

I believe so yes

?tag offtopic

[white sail]

#sk-discussion is allowed to be off topic due to the game not being out yet, and the amount of times that topics have been exhausted for it. However, if you have a topic that you'd like to discuss, say it and the channel should follow suit.

[coarse leaf]

Ok yes

[cerulean sable]

yeah but thats going to be an issue for games with higher number crunching anyway

[coarse leaf]

Mb guys.

[cinder hatch]

its okay spamton

[rapid topaz]

yeah true

[cinder hatch]

i got a question

[rapid topaz]

I just think it's psychologically easier to understand

[serene chasm]

remember when this was LETHAL ACROBATIC ACTION?

[rapid topaz]

like when you see it

[cinder hatch]

ok so

[young saffron]

You gotta change your mind set on things

[cinder hatch]

ok

what should my mindset be?

[young saffron]

Good job let me know how you are tmr

[coarse leaf]

Live life to be happy

[young saffron]

Not empty? Duh

[fiery burrow]

"Lethal" but then she doesn't even kill the bug she's pogoing on!

[coarse leaf]

Experience new things!!!

[cinder hatch]

k, i got one

[young saffron]

Have a positive mindset that your gonna change something. Idfk 😭😭🙏

[cerulean sable]

i think SS doesnt need to do a standard (x amount of damage per y upgrades)

like what if it isnt linear ie
Upgrade Damage
Level 1 3
Level 2 5
Level 3 8
Level 4 11

[cinder hatch]

Im the hollow knight fr

[serene chasm]

Why are we even playing hornet? she cant kill anything

[fiery burrow]

[cinder hatch]

[fiery burrow]

Bring The Knight back

[young saffron]

[fiery burrow]

It was actually cool

and like... wasn't really mean and unlikeable

[cerulean sable]

and IMO, pure nail is a bit busted, but you could argue if the player has reached that point, they deserve it

and ofc metroidvanias being centered around getting stronger

[cinder hatch]

the m1911 in my gun safe lookin a little too silly

[rapid topaz]

pure nail is the nail that says "alright you've found all the ores, now crush everything"

[cerulean sable]

ok what if instead of the pale ore system

theres basically tiered ore

[fiery burrow]

imo pure nail just makes the game a bit more boring and lame

Though the combat is already like that tbh

[cerulean sable]

3 basic ores = 1st upgrade
2 rare ores = 2nd upgrade
1 special ore = 3rd upgrade

[rapid topaz]

honestly it does so much damage that I almost want it to be weaker so that I can get more soul lmao

[cerulean sable]

the special ore being ofc behind a really hard fight

thats also my issue

i dont agree with Joseph Andersons critique especially with difficulty

i think hes just unnaturally a top 5% player

[fiery burrow]

Is that the dude with the rad dragon pfp?

[cerulean sable]

BUT i do agree that Pure Nail is too strong

yeah

[cinder hatch]

the what

[cerulean sable]

the guy who replayed the game for the 4th time on nail level 0 because he just wanted the game to be harder and said he wished he had something harder still

[fiery burrow]

He has a peak pfp

[cinder hatch]

real

realest of real

[cerulean sable]

hes not shitting on the game saying its too easy, just that he likes it so much that he wishes it wouldve even be harder

which he does admit is not a the common sentiment

[fiery burrow]

Thats what I formed by entire opinion regarding him from, I never actually watched one of his videos, he just keeps getting recommended to me

[cinder hatch]

play the game with ur feet then, problem solved

[young saffron]

Why not play hitless

[rapid topaz]

I worked with Pure Nail + Strenght for basically the rest of the game including pantheons and I didn't realized how stupid it was in terms of damage per hit, I just thought the bosses had low health, not the other way around
so that incited me to do facetank strats instead of actually strategize it

[cerulean sable]

yeah thats the combo i also melted the bosses with

[rapid topaz]

because I can just heal with soul you know

[young saffron]

I think that's where steelsoul fails? It's supposed to give players a harder but still fun experience but it's not

[cerulean sable]

which is why SS could probably go away with one less nail level upgrade

[fiery burrow]

Steelsoul really just makes you think more carefully and put your knowledge of the world to test, its not actually harder skill wise or anything

[gilded adder]

omg silksong discussion in #sk-discussion

[young saffron]

Hey Jonny, hyped for rorr?

[cerulean sable]

steelsoul is just tedious for me

[gilded adder]

also etimo

[gilded adder]

YES

[serene chasm]

omg Jonny in #sk-discussion

[fiery burrow]

Too much oranges in chat

[serene chasm]

no. too much white

[young saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/draiier-spongebob-gif-20837177

[night silo]

I wish i was orange 🍊

[fiery burrow]

You could change that with mod abuse

There's a neat grey role I heard about

[serene chasm]

Ive talked about this before, but Ive always liked the idea of needle upgrades not just being damage. But having the choice between different aspects

[cerulean sable]

honestly what if they want entirely away with it

the upgrades are now centered to your crest

[serene chasm]

That be cool

[cerulean sable]

and each of those crests scales their upgrade different

[young saffron]

Skill tree

[serene chasm]

Hornet stays the same, and everything just gets harder the higher she goes

[rapid topaz]

You actually can die in 95% of dream areas (radiance fight + white palace aren't in those), and they're likely the ones you'll die in so. The only place I could easily die are the colloseum, else you can just be very careful and grab as much upgrades and stuff as you can, like extra health or nail upgrades

[cerulean sable]

like crest x for example

per upgrade increases the following
range: 1.2x
damage 1.5x
speed 1.1x

[young saffron]

Yeah but people will whine about the difficulty then

[rapid topaz]

if you play steelsoul slowly it's not much of a big deal most of the time

[cerulean sable]

getting harder as we progress i think should be on a harder difficulty mode

[young saffron]

Just like with elden ring or what ever. But er case you could justify that it's a dark souls game and it's meant to be hard

Can't do the same thing for ss imo

[cerulean sable]

its definitely gonna raise a lot of complaints from people saying that they never feel powerful statwise

its something i see for HK too tbh

[serene chasm]

Steel soul but Hornet has 5 hours to live

[cerulean sable]

but honestly i prefer how HK focuses on mechanical skills vs to just outstating everything

[rapid topaz]

Lmfao so true

[whole mortar]

We’re likely to percieve silksong as really easy because so many of us have mastered HK mechanics

[rapid topaz]

omg Blue

[cerulean sable]

youll be as shit as you were before than you are now even with high upgrades, but mechanically if youre good, even without upgrades you will destroy enemies

thats true yeah

[serene chasm]

Hopefully the mechanics wont be too similar

[whole mortar]

Ok but what if silksong ddark

Bosses are doomed. The silkscending silkark

[sudden reef]

Hello Blue!

[cerulean sable]

like for me its fine if you think HK is too mechanical skill based than other metroidvanias that allows you to pump stats, i just hate it when people angle it as why its "objectively" a bad metroidvania

i honestly dislike it when a game allows me to just stat tank everything

[fiery burrow]

The actual like abilities are going to take some getting used to but we are already familiar with Silksongs gameplay loop and general enemy structure so I'd agree

[rapid topaz]

wdym by stat tank?

[cerulean sable]

in HK

unless you get good

[rapid topaz]

like, getting stronger and stronger

[cerulean sable]

you will never be able to do the end game stuff, no matter how much charms or upgrades you can throw in

yeah

[rapid topaz]

oh I see yeah it's not my cup of tea as well

[cerulean sable]

but other metroidvanias allows you to increase stats with a levelling system

[whole mortar]

Ttaco has never heard of my speedrun strats or flukenest

Spam and tank go bree

[cerulean sable]

im sorry dude but the only speedrun i watch are quake speedruns

tbf early game it is viable to tank

[whole mortar]

Okay based

[cerulean sable]

i dont think SS will allow that anymore given theyre gonna introduce 2 mask damage attacks more often

[rapid topaz]

Flukenest is BUSTED 😤

[whole mortar]

Silksong seems to play combat faster generally

[cerulean sable]

and i think weve had tons of discussion and analysis on a frame per frame basis how SS' on damage iframe is a lot shorter than HKs

[inland ravine]

it's not a mess. it's beautiful

[fiery burrow]

I'd love for one boss to hit you with a 4 mask damage attack so you can have a moment of pure fear realizing just how high the difficulty has curved

[inland ravine]

btw, so anyway i appear

[silver oak]

Yooo blue in chat

[whole mortar]

So really you just need to facetank more efficiently

[cerulean sable]

TREU

[silver oak]

Someone else who actually wants to talk about silksong

[inland ravine]

OMG HI BLUE :D

[whole mortar]

No i propose a subject change to beans

[inland ravine]

:0

[weary estuary]

hi gwnj

[cerulean sable]

a good balance i think

[silver oak]

Moss mother speedkill 0.39 seconds (new strat)

[cerulean sable]

big enemies are guaranteed to have that "one" attack that does 2 mask damage

while smaller enemies stay the same BUT they focus more on swarming you

and overwhelming you with numbers

now im not saying SS should be like dynasty warriors

[inland ravine]

burger

[cerulean sable]

i mean im saying this like its an entirely novel shit when its pretty much done to death already

[silver oak]

Yeah I hope they’ll do more with enemy variety

[whole mortar]

Huh, i’ve never observed that before. Is that some kind of explicit design philosophy or an observation based on the trailers?

[rapid topaz]

I will be honest
you know the big Husks in crossroads that does 2 mask of damage ? I was actually scared on my first-time, It actually felt like a menace in my mind lol

[cerulean sable]

no just them saying in the magazine that theyre gonna introduce 2 mask damage a lot more often a lot earlier to compensate for hornet's bind speed

[whole mortar]

Unless you mean hk and not silksong

[young saffron]

They got good atmosphere

[silver oak]

HK had cool enemies but they mostly acted on their own (arenas were a thing but separate from just general overworld encounters)

[whole mortar]

Oh, neat! I need to reread that then haha

[fiery burrow]

Yeah same haha

[cerulean sable]

they just need to tone down the VFX for 2 masks

[fiery burrow]

Same goes for the giant city guards and their giant shields

[cerulean sable]

right now it feels like youre getting hit by a nuclear bomb

[young saffron]

It's iconic at this point

[cerulean sable]

but if its going to be more common, the VFX could have a tad toning down

[silver oak]

With all the talk about better enemy design I hope we get more combo enemies that work better as a team

[fiery burrow]

Vine boom sound affect

[young saffron]

Doesn't any one else feel like the healing is a bit strong

[rapid topaz]

Ok but those are ALWAYS a pain to some extent

[silver oak]

Like those guys from the vault

That look like last judge

[young saffron]

Cause you kinda regain your entire health bar in a split second

[cerulean sable]

i mean they admit that its the hardest part to balance in the game

[violet path]

hey fellas

[rapid topaz]

giant city red guards are just, man, they're so tanky and menacing

[fiery burrow]

I actually really like em, its far better than the rest of the husks

[young saffron]

I can see why, cause the healing method in HK is quite slow

[whole mortar]

I propose a flashbang effect upon all damage sources for extra challenge

[silver oak]

Wastes your whole silk better tho

[cerulean sable]

but id rather have this current healing as it keeps the flow of the combat going vs to putting obvious "time out, find a corner, take your time to heal while the enemy is stunned"

HK early bosses has a lot of obvious downtime to allow you to heal

[silver oak]

If you fuck it up gotta start over with no gain

More risky than HK

[violet path]

?

what game

[silver oak]

Plus it only heals 3

[rapid topaz]

oh yeah I like them a lot too they're a good challenge, I just meant by "pain" that it's quite hard on your first time

[cerulean sable]

the peak of HKs combat is when bosses attacked so fast healing becomes an absolute premium

[silver oak]

Silksong

[fiery burrow]

Oh yeah for sure

[young saffron]

SS my beloved

[violet path]

oh ya forgot it came out

[young saffron]

I will fill you with lead

[silver oak]

Yeah like PV

[whole mortar]

Yeah healing as like inbetween bosses type of thing works super well in later godhome for example

And even then you need to manage soul

[acoustic maple]

OMG its blue

[cerulean sable]

yeah NKG PV GPZ to some extent etc

[silver oak]

Almost forced you to learn the hitless strats lol

[young saffron]

PV, sister of battle, radiance?, Gpz

Gpz is done rly well imo

[acoustic maple]

[cerulean sable]

agreed

[rapid topaz]

That's probably an ennemy that doesn't feel like it's becoming weaker when you're getting stronger, and that's neat. You'll still have to be careful whatever your state of progress in the game imo

[young saffron]

It's a good mix of unpredictability and difficulty

[whole mortar]

Gpz is one of the best fights presentation wise, super underrated

[young saffron]

Also zote is the fking best

[cerulean sable]

i know a lot of people dont like GPZ

[silver oak]

But on the other hand since SS has insta-healing they’re gonna have to make quicker fights

[rapid topaz]

I do love GPZ

[silver oak]

Maybe less stuns

[whole mortar]

He’s random and bumbling but that’s the point

[cerulean sable]

but i personally think outside of a few tweaks, his design (like the flow in general) is absolute good because doesnt get boring like NKG

[rapid topaz]

GPZ is in my top 3 fights and I'm very serious

[silver oak]

And that’s probably a big reason why they slowed down the healing

[cinder hatch]

I hold myself in contempt

[silver oak]

To make it a little more risky, a little less easy to access

[cerulean sable]

yeah

though i think it might depend on a per crest basis

some crest lowers the healing requirement but its faster and at the cost of only healing 2 masks

[whole mortar]

Silksong might be done soon haha

[silver oak]

Crest balancing is gonna be hard to achieve

[whole mortar]

It’ll be the end of an era for sure. It’s weird and i don’t know how to feel about it

[serene chasm]

what do you think TC has been working on for the last 4 years

[cerulean sable]

i unironically believe

[silver oak]

Obviously there’ll be a meta for speedruns and certain bosses and stuff

[whole mortar]

And the start of a new era for sure

[cerulean sable]

if we dont, at the very least nominate the fucking game for most anticipated

like it honestly deserves it

[young saffron]

With the amount of time we've been waiting. It feels unreal

[whole mortar]

Yeah silksong and hades 2

[cerulean sable]

i dont care if it doesnt win against an AAA

[silver oak]

But ideally they’ll be interesting enough to get casual players to experiment and not find one that’s clearly better

[cerulean sable]

nominations are enough for me

[silver oak]

Nomination is more important IMO

[young saffron]

I don't think Hades will pass silksong in most anticipated

[rapid topaz]

All those "Silknever XD" will finally cease to exist and I can't be more happy

[cerulean sable]

same

im fucking sick of the clown shit tbh

[silver oak]

Winning is good but getting the name out at all is a win

[whole mortar]

I cant wait for game awards 2024 when silksong wins best score and we get to hear lace performed by the orchestra

[cerulean sable]

TREU

[silver oak]

Bonebottom >>>

[magic narwhal]

Tbf there aren't many big triple A waiting for release atm

[silver oak]

tbh tbh

[young saffron]

Are you prepared to mod SS discussion on the 7th of December

[cerulean sable]

which is why im betting a nomination at least

[magic narwhal]

I think the only big one is FF7 Rebirth

[whole mortar]

Semi related i hope chris larkin gets to do more live performances sometime

[cerulean sable]

no big ass AAA game to cover the front store for now

[whole mortar]

Kinda like what undertale did for its 5 year Anniversary

[young saffron]

Bloodborne 2 duh

[weary estuary]

I would see that live ngl

[silver oak]

If silksong is actually at TGA we are turning off slowmode and letting the mob in

[weary estuary]

Chris Larkin is Australian too, right?

[whole mortar]

They did one back in september in australia but there was no stream.

[silver oak]

That shit will be crazy

[cerulean sable]

necro

[young saffron]

LETD GOOOO just like Xbox live

[charred pulsar]

Yeah

[weary estuary]

Awesome

[young saffron]

The hype is back

[cerulean sable]

if Silksong is in TGA, we ARE going to be part of the mob

[whole mortar]

Yo simo

[rapid topaz]

ok but personally I think Talos 2 is really fuckin cool as well and now I'm tied of hoping between it and Silksong for being GOTY

[whole mortar]

Was anyone able to go btw?

[silver oak]

I mean, of course

But we also have the power to open the gates

[cerulean sable]

as long as noone posts weird NSFW shit

[whole mortar]

I was informed of the setlist from someone iirc lemme see if i can find it

[cerulean sable]

i will fucking gladly go ape shit with the chat

[young saffron]

There's always gotta be that one mf

[cerulean sable]

there will be

[silver oak]

Just don’t be asleep this time like you were for xbox

[cerulean sable]

and honestly well just ban them on spot

[whole mortar]

This

[young saffron]

Fuck I forgot about the timing

For all I know it can be at like 2am

[whole mortar]

Sealed vessel must go so hard with live orchestr

[rapid topaz]

In another parallel universe Silksong is announced at TGA and gets nominated right after

[silver oak]

Silksong is more important than sleep

[cerulean sable]

i dont think it can get nominated and reveal itself in TGA

[night silo]

BLUE HI

[cerulean sable]

so my hope is its in TGA

if not, go out as a nomination

[rapid topaz]

don't mind me I'm tired

[young saffron]

LETS GOO ITS AT 3pm

[cerulean sable]

31 more days

[quiet knot]

A month

[rapid topaz]

TRUE

[cerulean sable]

mid november is going to show the nominations

[quiet knot]

15 november

[cerulean sable]

is it exactly that/

[quiet knot]

The hype is building up

[whole mortar]

Leth did tell me (not on the record) something about if they ever did a big announcement or interview outside of the community it would have to be geoff keighley

[silver oak]

Omg November 19th

[cerulean sable]

they just said mid Nov

[quiet knot]

15-16 right

[young saffron]

Oh wait so technically there's like 9 days for possible news

[whole mortar]

Or something like that

[silver oak]

Grover was right all along

[cerulean sable]

iirc in an older interview

[rapid topaz]

What did Grover said

[cerulean sable]

geoff apparently approached them twice

once for 2018

once for 2019

[young saffron]

I'm foaming at the mouth

[cerulean sable]

2018 they said they werent ready yet

on 2019 they said "we just released a trailer, we dont have much to 'world premiere' right now"

then the added force of Xbox marketing it

my friends

[young saffron]

What else can we expect to see at tga aside from SS and Hades

[cerulean sable]

i think its time to reform the December Division

[rapid topaz]

Mobile games ads

[whole mortar]

Geoff keighley god of video games grant us this blessing

[young saffron]

It rly seems very likely that we will be successful

[rapid topaz]

I'm trolling idk

[quiet knot]

Its crazy how Hollow Knight has just as much or even more of a presence as big multi million dollar games now

[spring crypt]

all the sacrifices will be worth it

[quiet knot]

The hundreds of times mossbag has been sacrificed

[silver oak]

Our side will win

[cerulean sable]

our side will win

[silver oak]

Our side will win

[cerulean sable]

OUR SIDE HAS TO WIN

[young saffron]

New silksong lore videos by mosdbag

[silver oak]

OUR SIDE WILL WIN

[cerulean sable]

necro

lets do it

[young saffron]

New SS randomizer by @whole mortar

[silver oak]

We gotta

[warped nacelle]

OUR SIDE HAS TO WIN COME BACK

[cerulean sable]

december division 2

[silver oak]

It’s in the fates

[whole mortar]

The hundred and oneth time can be arranged….

i have my ways

[quiet knot]

Spare him please

[cerulean sable]

lets go

[wheat sail]

Your side is powerless and abandoned

[cerulean sable]

31 more days anyway

yeah well ur side is cringe

[wheat sail]

[cerulean sable]

ever thought aobuth tat

[wheat sail]

Not cringe to me 🙄

[silver oak]

we literally have all the mods on our side

[quiet knot]

You are cringe

[warped nacelle]

General TTacco 🫡

[quiet knot]

What is this, HKcord civil war?

[young saffron]

Hypetrain is beginning

[cerulean sable]

there is no war

either you believe

[young saffron]

And the conductor is ttaco

[cerulean sable]

or you get out of our way

[rapid topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApLYlXtf0GE

[quiet knot]

He is the hype conductor

[cerulean sable]

[quiet knot]

No, OUR SIDE HAS ALREADY WON

[silver oak]

we're gaming

[young saffron]

Can we play sweet victory if silksong is revealed

[quiet knot]

Yeah, unlike the superbowl that dissapointed us

[young saffron]

Fr

Pretty sure they got disliked pretty badly for it. Not like that had a major effect

[silver oak]

@warped nacelle join us

[warped nacelle]

We're so fucking gaming

[silver oak]

we're so back

[quiet knot]

I hate bing so much

[warped nacelle]

Yeah use edge instead

[cerulean sable]

LTS FUCKING GO

[cerulean sable]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx6mhrtBwM8pkeoNuB-z89Z-3uhwYuZ5nw?si=ZwFnkUQ6vs1Ppu97 i remember playing this on blast last TGA lmao

good album

im glad this wasnt as meh as Luciferian Towers

[rapid topaz]

banger

[quiet knot]

should i join the December division?

[cerulean sable]

@wheat lintel

your choice

major victory is silksong release

[silver oak]

right this band

[cerulean sable]

minor victory is most anticipated nomination

[silver oak]

I should listen to them sometime but too many things on the backlog

[cerulean sable]

i like them i have cried tot hem at times 😔

[quiet knot]

There we go

[rapid topaz]

LETS GO

[young saffron]

Okay this is gonna be the first time I join a gang

[quiet knot]

OORAH

[silver oak]

are they prog rock?

[cerulean sable]

more like post rock

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7ELqBdAH7XGIwOWLPMoQPQwLryqs4_Oj?si=3KgTfkaB-U8OQwze

they use heavy amounts of strings in their albums

[covert root]

why are there so many mods

[cerulean sable]

and you know im a sucker for strings

[young saffron]

Truly a SS moment

[covert root]

theres so many of you wtf

[silver oak]

that's the album I've seen the most yeah

[cerulean sable]

TRUE

[rapid topaz]

not enough mods tbf

[silver oak]

literally 2 mods in chat rn but ok

[covert root]

sonstressfufl

LMAO

[cerulean sable]

we need to recruit more

[covert root]

IT FEELS LIKE WAY MORE

[cerulean sable]

@gilded adder join us

[young saffron]

The hope is starting

[covert root]

ill recruit joker

@marsh ibex HIIIII JOINNUS

[rapid topaz]

I'm half-joking because I feel like the server will be a total mess once silksong release

[silver oak]

@full rune we're back on

[quiet knot]

This is going to be hilarious

[gilded adder]

hi

[young saffron]

SS discussion might go to shit once it gets released ngl

[covert root]

so whats this december division thing going on

[rapid topaz]

god I hope not

[young saffron]

It would be full of randoms etc, happened to be a bunch of servers I was in

[covert root]

30min slowmode incoming

[warped nacelle]

The tsunami of new users like never seen before

[covert root]

what is the december division

[rapid topaz]

TGA

[young saffron]

By randoms I mean alot of shitpodting

[covert root]

TGA?

[quiet knot]

Thats why yall got recruited as new mods

[young saffron]

Imagine an on flood of "what if silksong was never real" users

[rapid topaz]

if you're a fellow tga believer you should consider

[silver oak]

I mean this is why we did mod apps

[languid linden]

December division again?

[quiet knot]

Ttaco started it

[covert root]

help me understand what tga is

[silver oak]

And also why we did the last mod apps LOL

[sick tinsel]

i agree once SS is released shit's gunna hit the the fan

[young saffron]

Lost the battle but not the war

[rapid topaz]

oh btw are those finished?

[languid linden]

I’m sorry TTacco

[covert root]

yus

[rapid topaz]

sorry I wanted to but I was very busy 😔

[languid linden]

I was a loyal supporter for 2 years

[silver oak]

yeah #server-announcements message

[rapid topaz]

damn

[languid linden]

Or 3

[young saffron]

I would be such an abusive mod

[languid linden]

No just 2

But I can’t anymore

[quiet knot]

So true

[silver oak]

the first one was 2021 iirc

[languid linden]

I don’t have the will to keep fighting

[covert root]

goodbye ss disc hk disc is where i belong

[cerulean sable]

you know why i keep fighting

[quiet knot]

Go on and rest

[cerulean sable]

because we are at our lowest

[odd cairn]

Sick Turnip-Head pfp- oh they're gone

[cerulean sable]

and there is nothing else for me but to fight

[covert root]

thank you!

[warped nacelle]

You see it's all about CONTROL, I could obliterate you RIGHT NOW but I'm trying my best not to 🙂

[manic jackal]

Why are we talking about SS like it’s releasing soon did we get news?

[silver oak]

wdym

[olive bobcat]

Who invited the December Division bro

[languid linden]

But be assured that when the time comes

[silver oak]

no, december division

[cerulean sable]

its kinda like that funny kratos video where atlas was going "yeah cool dude but wtf are my words to some guy lol"

and kratos is all like "IT IS ALL I HAVE ATLAS 🥺 😭"

[hollow terrace]

Chat you guys don’t understand

[cerulean sable]

its kinda like that but for Silksong

[languid linden]

I will be your strongest soldier

[silver oak]

there's been like 10 mod apps

[silver oak]

poser

fake fan

[languid linden]

Collapse

[rapid topaz]

I'll probably do it for the next application but I never moderated.. except on twitch chats but that's very different

[hollow terrace]

How incredibly funny and relatable it would be if hornet was socially awkward

[languid linden]

Explode

[silver oak]

https://tenor.com/view/daftpunk-daft-punk-explosion-epilogue-gif-20482285

[hollow terrace]

CHATTTT

[young saffron]

Would you hope with us window.

[warped nacelle]

Yes Window what is it

[quiet knot]

Explode

[rapid topaz]

TGA means The Game Awards, it's an event where they nominate games of the year etc.. but also do announcements

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-explode-explosion-exploding-gif-27323776

[rapid topaz]

sorry for late reply

[covert root]

ohhh gotcha thank you!!

dw i appreciate the explanation

[silver oak]

skill issue

[young saffron]

Tga has asked team cherry to showcase their games for the past 2 years but have been refused each time

[silver oak]

wtf where did my reply go

[olive bobcat]

Anyone know that saying about being "a nail in your topic" or whatever

[silver oak]

skill issue

[olive bobcat]

I want to include it in a pitch I'm writing but I forget the exact saying

[young saffron]

Plus for some weird reason when silksong was delayed they too announced about it's delay

[silver oak]

nail in the coffin?

[olive bobcat]

No I don't think that would be it

[quiet knot]

A thorn in my side?

[limber oak]

hitting the nail omn it's head?

[olive bobcat]

It's about knowing far more than just what you say

[young saffron]

Also silksong would be nominated for most anticipated game

[rapid topaz]

It's also a quite hyped event because many companies are invited to present their projects and stuff, but it depends. so december division is the hopium gang for silksong at TGA

[young saffron]

Talk the walk but now it's time to walk the talk?

What the hell am I saying

[quiet knot]

walk the talk???

You mean Walk the walk...

You did that phrase so wrong

[rapid topaz]

yeah it should

[olive bobcat]

It's time to walkie the talkie

[quiet knot]

Ring a ding ding\

[young saffron]

Quiet beastcry:

[rapid topaz]

are this from the daft punks video

[quiet knot]

Ok talk walker

[silver oak]

yeah from the movie

[rapid topaz]

oh right

[manic jackal]

@ mods i love this emote in the Silksong subreddit can we please get it as an emote

[olive bobcat]

Banned for SS subreddit

[rapid topaz]

Reddit mentionned

[young saffron]

Redditor. Initiating death ray

[silver oak]

bro

[young saffron]

Would be a good emote actually if the face was better fitted on hornet

[olive bobcat]

Yeah

[weary tapir]

The ss subreddit is where humor goes to die

[quiet knot]

Reddit is where humor goes to die

[manic jackal]

It’s funnier that it’s not

[young saffron]

SS is truly a desperate man's place 😔

[inland ravine]

@ mods do backflip if you;re a mod

[weary tapir]

They take it into the back room and shoot it with a shotgun

[young saffron]

Okay you have a point

[cerulean sable]

lets fucking gooo

[young saffron]

Did you make this before

[quiet knot]

A fucking militia

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-bong-inside-out-gif-11520155

[cerulean sable]

no i just made it now 🥴

[quiet knot]

Ttaco the great revolutionary

[rapid topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816306195500498974/1106195822636449854/caption.gif

[young saffron]

Okay I feel like that's sarcasm but it's hard to tell through discord

[weary tapir]

Bad news

[silver oak]

you've made so many things at this point

[gilded adder]

hey ttaccmo

[young saffron]

If ttaco was in the 1800s he would be hung for revolting

[cerulean sable]

JONNY

JOIN US

[gilded adder]

oh

[weary tapir]

That shit ain’t ever coming out man

[gilded adder]

that's what that is about

[cerulean sable]

nah id rather be a chef

[silver oak]

do it jonny

[cerulean sable]

TGA 2023

[rapid topaz]

JONNY hello

[weary tapir]

Helllll no

[silver oak]

he's cooking

[warped nacelle]

Jonny my BRO you gotta do it

[cerulean sable]

Major Victory: Silksong news
Minor Victory: We get nominated for Most Anticipated

[young saffron]

Window didn't respond to our invite

[gilded adder]

There we go

[cerulean sable]

THERE WE FUCKING GO

[weary tapir]

I don’t think either will happen if I am being realistic

[silver oak]

WE'RE WINNING

[cerulean sable]

hence the major and minor victory

[weary tapir]

Surely if we win most anticipated team cherry is forced to say something

[cerulean sable]

major unrealistic will be a silksong release

[gilded adder]

ttaccmo back to what i was saying

[covert root]

oh that makes a lot of sense thank you!

[cerulean sable]

minor but more realistic is most anticipated

[gilded adder]

i saw talk of prog rock and rock songs prior 👀

[weary tapir]

Surely

[silver oak]

moss hop online

[hollow terrace]

FIGHTING AGAINST THE CURRENT

[cerulean sable]

right now the pool for big AAA games taking the spot is low

[weary tapir]

Hey what the heck is December division

[sinful flare]

rock and rock? you mean rock and stone?

[rapid topaz]

the whole division thing mostly for fun anyways I don't think anyone puts too much hope into it

[hollow terrace]

TO FIND THE WHITE DEVIL IN THE SEA

[weary tapir]

ROCK AND STONEEEEE

[cerulean sable]

who cares what TC says afterwards, we just care that Silksong wins an award

[young saffron]

ROCK AND STO

[sinful flare]

IF YOU DONT ROCK AND STONE YOU AINT COMING HOME

[cerulean sable]

wrong comment

[young saffron]

NO BARRELS IN THE DOCKING BAY

[weary tapir]

ROCK AND STONE OH YEAHHH

[rapid topaz]

Can we get to 20 members?? hit that bell and subs-

[sinful flare]

note to self: this was a triumph

[young saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-neck-snap-break-gif-22211463

[manic jackal]

If Silksong isn’t announced at the game awards i don’t think we’re getting it till the end of 2024

[young saffron]

I love Omniman

[rapid topaz]

that's huh

[indigo nymph]

cool

[young saffron]

Truly a character of all time

[weary tapir]

That’s what I said for the past 2 years with the other years

[cerulean sable]

again i will say it

[limber oak]

bro at the lastest it's a march release

[rapid topaz]

I know it's a show but damn that's a gore scene

[weary tapir]

“If silksong isn’t shown at the 2022 game awards I think it’ll come out in 2023”

[silver oak]

that's the spirit

[young saffron]

If silksong is delayed to the end of 2024 I'm pretty sure TC will be mass downrated at release

[cerulean sable]

our victory goals are the following

MAJOR VICTORY: We get Silksong news on December
MINOR VICTORY: We get nominated for most anticipated

[hollow terrace]

Dawg what

[manic jackal]

It sounds like they decided to expand the game a considerable amount this year and for game development reasons there’s going to be a shit ton of time before all that added content gets polished

[weary tapir]

“If silksong isn’t shown at the 2021 game awards I’m sure it will come out in 2022”

[young saffron]

You can't ban me. Discord is for above 13

[weary tapir]

When do we learn

[cerulean sable]

"If Silksong doesnt release on 2021 then noone will care in 2022"

[limber oak]

I don't think they will have a trailer and no release date

[manic jackal]

I actually don’t think employed people will care that much

[rapid topaz]

Based

[cerulean sable]

and the cycle repeats

[weary tapir]

Tell me at what point do we learn

AT WHAT POINT DO WE BREAK THE CYCLE

[young saffron]

Invincible's age rating is officially set at TV-MA. This means that it's not suitable for children under 18.

[silver oak]

please tell me where they said this
I want to see this quote it seems so interesting

[manic jackal]

I meant “at earliest” late 2024

[young saffron]

Well fuck I guess I can be banned

[weary tapir]

It’s not real man

[limber oak]

Like TC was so open in 2019 with demo's and stuff but then they just stopped

[weary tapir]

What are you talking about???

Hollow knight?

What the hell is that?

[young saffron]

I think COVID had a slight effect on some of the IRL events for TC tho they have stated it wasn't an issue for them?

[limber oak]

well yeah they are 3 people

[young saffron]

Invincible is so gruesome, I suggest not to watch it if you can't handle gore and stuff

Season 2 opening of invincible was rly fucked up

[manic jackal]

It was a tweet about the delay on the Xbox deadline date. It was said the game was “shaping up to be quite large” or something like that. I kinda interpreted that as they decided to add a considerable amount more between 2022 and 2023 but one could interpret it differently ofc

[cerulean sable]

realistically my opinion on their thought process

HK was going to be smaller and contained in HK, hence the earlier stuff, and ofc added that they wanted to show the backers that theyre working on a new game
then the see the expectations and say "ok lets expand this even further"

and probably right now theyre gonna try to one up Hollow Knight given that theyre no longer backed any form of constraints time and budgetwise since HK is making them bucks anyway

[weary tapir]

My favorite team cherry bit is torturing their community by having their “contact us” page pre set message be about the silksong release date just to fuck with people

[feral carbon]

i think silksong is prbly gonna be a christmas gift or early to mid 2024

[weary tapir]

I find it humorous

[manic jackal]

I definitely do not think it’s coming out early 2024 but we’ll see at the Game awards

[limber oak]

There is no was that they are still coming up with new content

[feral carbon]

when is game awards anyway

[limber oak]

december 7th

[weary tapir]

Anyways everyone knows silksong is guranteed to come out by June 2023 so we just have to wait until then

[cerulean sable]

i meant this in the earlier time

[young saffron]

I just don't understand how it can be delayed so far since their initial release date was June 2023

[feral carbon]

ok

[silver oak]

we actually don't know what they're doing

[cerulean sable]

and honestly dev time != new content

[young saffron]

I assume they delayed cause they want to polish things up and not add more content?

[manic jackal]

They added more stuff

[cerulean sable]

sometimes its just fleshing out or redoing mechanics

[weary tapir]

We just have to wait for the planetary reset then let time go back to 2023 and then it’ll be ready

[cerulean sable]

like even in early access games its extremely common for devs to just overhaul and entire system because they realized it wasnt working in practice

[young saffron]

It's a bit weird to suddenly decide to add more content after having release date and already stating the prior year that the game is becoming quite large etc

[manic jackal]

As i understand game development to be its 1/4 implementation and 3/4 bug fixing and optimization

[limber oak]

All i hope is that it realeases to australia like a day early

[manic jackal]

If they added more content which they likely did after June 2022 then that’s going to take a bunch of time to test and optimize and stuff

[rapid topaz]

2021 silksong quotes goes hard tbh

[weary tapir]

I think team cherry constantly lurks this channel and laughs maniacally at our converse

[cerulean sable]

or

they dont really care because theyre working

[weary tapir]

It would be far funnier if it was the first option

[cerulean sable]

and in the grand scheme of things were insignificant than we tend to think

[limber oak]

wasn't leth active

[weary tapir]

I hope crowsworn releases before silksong so people can say “this game is like crowsworn”

[manic jackal]

Anybody got funny screenshots of past SS release date speculation

[rapid topaz]

yeah let me find

[olive bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-tower-antonblast-gif-25925575

[limber oak]

any of rusty's old prediction videos

he was like "it's gonna release less than a year"

nothing wrong with being optimestic though

[weary tapir]

I remember last years game awards I joined voice call for like 4 seconds and my ears were blasted out by circus music

[olive bobcat]

I remember back in February of 2019 when I desperately wanted the game to release before a couple years

[weary tapir]

It was actual literal hell

[young saffron]

This year might be worse

[weary tapir]

Might?

[olive bobcat]

This u?

[weary tapir]

MIGHT!?

[young saffron]

POOOOOOMNIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

[weary tapir]

this shit is gonna be 20x worse

[cerulean sable]

nah the response from the last update was way better than anything in the past few years

[limber oak]

And so god created the mute button

[inland ravine]

POMNI :D

[feral carbon]

no way its xddcc

[weary tapir]

I think that digital circus is really good but it will be another thing that forms just an absolutely god awful community

[young saffron]

God is good

[inland ravine]

YOU HAVE SUMMON TADC FAN, ALUO

[weary tapir]

Considering it already has

[inland ravine]

WELL DONE :)

[quiet knot]

Yep, its already showing

[young saffron]

It already is forming

[inland ravine]

yep...

[young saffron]

The pilot went hard tho

[quiet knot]

And its only been 1 PILOT episode

[limber oak]

5 billion views

[weary tapir]

It’s another FNAF undertale deltarune moment

[quiet knot]

I wonder if they can keep up the quality for the rest of the episodes

[olive bobcat]

Yes

[limber oak]

another indie anything

[feral carbon]

how did tadc blow up whats it all about anyway ive seen it i just dont get the hype

[olive bobcat]

I'm just in it for the clown

[young saffron]

What even is glitch

[manic jackal]

What if this happens to Hollow Knight after Silksong releases

[young saffron]

Who is funding glitch?

[limber oak]

australian

[rapid topaz]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EfRGCYl3bLBOL_g7yMD-3aiu_-cycJntz1Z3s0Q9VtM/edit I found this ancient relic

[quiet knot]

The CIA

[limber oak]

Technically the government is

[weary tapir]

I remember I watched tadc when it had 100k views bc I watch murder drones 😭

[young saffron]

Do they get their money from solely yt videos or do they have a father company

[olive bobcat]

Idk I feel like Deltarune has been better than Undertale from what I've seen

All the Undertale kids are grown up now

[weary tapir]

I checked in like a day later and that shit was at 10 mil

[limber oak]

like the asutralian government gave funding to a lot of games and animatons

[weary tapir]

And I was like “what the fuck happened”

[young saffron]

Oh wait you were serious about the government lmao

[weary tapir]

Guys animation isn’t dead on YouTube who would have thought

[inland ravine]

bye evryone have fun

[limber oak]

yeah you watch some stuff about COTL and it has the victorian government logo in the credits

[weary tapir]

Too bad now we have to deal with a new dogshit toxic community and probably Matpat theories if there isn’t any already

[young saffron]

Have you guys seen double king by Felix

That ape shit crazy animator that's super creative

[weary tapir]

God I love the internet

[young saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/double-king-felix-colgrave-cartoon-crown-table-gif-8377899

[feral carbon]

what is december division

[rapid topaz]

TGA hope gang

[young saffron]

The dawn of a new era

The game awards hope

[olive bobcat]

That would be January, sir

[limber oak]

also possibly a militia

[weary tapir]

In b4 the Matpat “Pomni is already dead” film theory video

[olive bobcat]

"It's just not possible for the headset to provide her with sustenance, she'd already be dead"
-- Matpat probably

[weary tapir]

Yeah and then he will go on like a 15 minute tangent about how this is all her nightmare vision post death and the void is the freedom she seeks

or some bullshit

[quiet knot]

And the characters are her past friends oOoOooOO

[weary tapir]

YEAH!!!

[quiet knot]

But thats just a CIRCUS THEORY

[weary tapir]

bUT THATS JUST A THEORY!!!

SNDNSSNSNJSSJNSBSH THANKS FOR WATCHING

[quiet knot]

💥

[weary tapir]

god I hope I can detach myself from all that shit and enjoy the show for what it is when it happens

[young saffron]

Shrue

[quiet knot]

Just blacklist Game theory

[weary tapir]

I think Matpat is a good guy as a person and some of his videos are occasionally interesting

[quiet knot]

Or movie theory

[weary tapir]

But most of them are like

eh.

He’s a very genuinely nice guy

[quiet knot]

I mean he yelled a lady saying : "DONT YOU DARE TELL ME WHAT TO EAT, BITCH"

[versed pollen]

That is one of Matpat's greatest moments

[quiet knot]

True

[flat remnant]

His greatest moment has to be when he theorized that lunch was the most important meal of the day