hey, Grenade
#archived-modding-development
hasty fractal
Nice!
flat forum
you pogo on saws n gotta dash into really tight spaces
will there be anything like that in ToT?
fair rampart
dude path of pain was rediculous
steep pawn
If I'm making a skin for customknight but i want orbfull.png to have 2 parts, am I allowed to decompile and change CustomKnight.dll? or is there already a simpler way to do this?
ornate rivet
yea you can change the dll
steep pawn
alright, thanks
covert pebble
yo, does anyone have a reference for the different variables and hooks that are used for modding? I can't seem to find a comprehensive guide
yep i saw that one, but it doesn't seem to be comprehensive at all
fair rampart
the most comprehensive guide you'll find is reading the pinned messages
covert pebble
alright thanks
solemn rivet
yo, does anyone have a reference for the different variables and hooks that are used for modding? I can't seem to find a comprehensive guide
There isn't one because there's a hook for each and every method in the game's code
valid ridge
Asking for another Unity game, is there a way to hook the Start method on a script that doesn't implement Start, or do something equivalent
copper nacelle
idk of any way but the monomod server might
because start isn't a real virtual method
because unity is weird
valid ridge
Ok, I just wanted to know if you guys had found something already
Found a workaround for what I wanted to do anyway
fresh cipher
I wish to make a boss but have no experience in Unity...but what I've heard is that Hollow Knight's code is modular and somewhat easy to work with
flat forum
@ornate rivet @fair rampart
ornate rivet
Yea it's not too bad, especially once you get the hang of it. There's a very basic doc that describes how to setup your mod (radiance.host) but it's not very in-depth so you will need to look at other people's code and/or ask questions here.
Unity is fairly easy to figure out, most people who have made hk mods started out knowing nothing about unity.
flat forum
which grass particles are those?
now that I think of it
the Isma fight you have outside Godhome would benefit quite nicely from particles
ornate rivet
the pillar?
mebi drew that
OH
those green leaf particles?
I made those 
More progress on the shade thing
I was trying to get a mana based system going (shade has to attack you to be able to use spells) but it's not working too well so I wont do it. Maybe if I added nail arts in, it could work.
weak lodge
is this finally a mod without a nkg attack
ornate rivet
don't worry, void tendrils exist in the game
fire pillar, fire bats, pillars that twist from the floor
weak lodge
also saleh i thought you were working on the knight of hallownest mod
ornate rivet
I am but I needed something to get me back into modding
nimble lake
wouldn't that mean that every mod that replaces a boss in HoG would have to be compatible with this?
if somehow this is made and somehow they can make it easy to make it compatible and easily add bosses to that room..
maybe?
i would imagine this would be pretty difficult.
copper nacelle
any dyndata users
monomod dyndata
lets you put fake fields on types which you access w/ it and access normal fields in the same way using it
ornate rivet
BossModCore when
fair rampart
got the dream arrival texture working for customknight
Are there any other knight textures that are missing from the mod?
sure
you can just dm me
fair rampart
would you prefer these to be in brackets
I just want to know everyone's preference
Sean originally had them with brackets, idk if he wants it to stay that way
@rain cedar
floral furnace
yeah was gonna say if you could potentially just loop and destroy them there
rain cedar
My preference is braces always yeah
I was planning to rewrite custom knight anyway but that'll probably never happen
fair rampart
whoops
rain cedar
The idea was to have a system where you don't need to hard code every sprite sheet
Just have some json that tells you where the sprites should go
But like I've had that idea all year and haven't done shit so yeah
fair rampart
got shape of unn, the monarch wings cutscene, dream nail cutscene, shade cloak cutscene, beast's den, and abyss shriek cutscene
this happens when I exit to the menu for some reason tho
floral furnace
nice
copper nacelle
nre
floral furnace
yeah definitely agree with 56 on this one
fair rampart
so this happens apparently when you try to change a texture at runtime
solemn rivet
I see nothing wrong
unborn badger
he’s radiant
tiny idol
fair rampart
I may have to bloat customknight with preloads
copper nacelle
I will remove your head from your body
hidden galleon
no head to be removed
fair rampart
please do
fair rampart
do preloaded objects get yeeted out of existence when you reinitialize a mod by e.g. toggling it in the mod menu?
fair rampart
hmm, preloadedObjects is null in Initialize() when I disable then reenable my version of customknight
unborn flicker
just make them static lol
fair rampart
a null check fixed it
fair rampart
🦀 hot swapping skins 🦀
ornate rivet
that's awesome
hasty fractal
Nice!
copper nacelle
actual menus monkaU
fair rampart
I should've probably add some feedback to those buttons
copper nacelle
screen shake easy
unborn badger
add a gunshot noise
fair rampart
lol
unborn badger
brazen mortar
fade out to white transition?
fair rampart
honestly I was just gonna add a button bg
but ig if I wanna make it TC style there shouldn't be any background at all
wdym by fade out to white?
fair rampart
mm
copper nacelle
temporarily flashbang the user
fair rampart
skin previews
copper nacelle
sick
royal ridge
good stuff jngo
patent zealot
Are we going to talk about how hes in godseeker mode
copper nacelle
no because he isn't
patent zealot
O my bad
fair rampart
last thing for tonight: grimmchild and weaverlings
fair rampart
okay, I quickly readded womb and added fluke spells, NOW I'm done
nimble lake
Do you think an icon.png could be added and displayed instead of some of the sprites? (assuming the maker of the pack provided an icon for previews)
crisp forge
I have pirate Hollow Knight. Can I use Skins ?
fair rampart
no
crisp forge
:/ thx
nimble lake
coming into the hollow knight server with the devs and gametesters and admitting that you're pirating the game 
fair rampart
Ooh yeah I could do an icon
unique flicker
can anyone direct me a lil with how I would set the rng seed for a fight?
I wanna make something where I can set the pattern for a fight if possible
I have a bit of programming experience in c/js/python so i wouldn't mind learning something
jsut uhhh not really sure where to start or if it's possible
nimble lake
also would there be a scrollbar or something for when there are a lot of skins?
fair rampart
I'm considering that
@unique flicker learning the basics of C# is the first step, also check the pins for other tools used in development
You'll probably be using the fsm viewer a lot since that shows enemy behaviors
unique flicker
ooh i see thanks
vapid plover
Hi guys, I just downloaded the SpritePacker 1.3 but I was only able to run it 1 time. Then whenever I try to open it, it just crashes immediately. I am seeing this error from the event viewer.
safe hamlet
modding hk in 2020, cringe
floral furnace
sid please i beg you
safe hamlet
i am right tho
ornate rivet
no, you're sid
young walrus
That doesn't Sid right with me
safe hamlet
same
fair rampart
mmyes skrol
flat forum
"Horknight"
solemn rivet
Horny Knight
hasty fractal
See so many people used my skin make me happy.
pulsar dragon
Are there mod on Xbox
copper nacelle
no
kindred sedge
@fair rampart where do I get little hornet godm?
young walrus
fair rampart
when the P4 cutscene is made of multiple individual spriterenderers :monkaU:
safe hamlet
what's the p4 cutscene
fair rampart
I got the sitting animation, hornet rescue, and birthplace cutscene
not sure if any artists would want to go through the effort of redrawing Bretta's plushes so I'mma ignore those
kindred sedge
@young walrus which pin? its not in the custom knight sprites pack nor the white palace skins pack
kindred sedge
that isnt there for me
young walrus
do you have a screenshot of what you're looking at
young walrus
you can change the view
kindred sedge
hahgybuibp;uwehay
safe hamlet
can't believe jesus can't change the view
copper nacelle
very nice modding development
young walrus
kindred sedge
WHAT
young walrus
just did it with no perms, and it's there
ornate rivet
you know it's a modding channel when there's 3 11 different thinking emotes in one post
copper nacelle
3 i snooze
kindred sedge
why you booly
copper nacelle
because this is not modding-help
kindred sedge
well I saw the sprite in the post above and asked where it was because it was relevant to the image posted
fair rampart
I'm frequently getting the following error when loading up my game with the new custom knight mod
in module UnityPlayer.dll at 0023:576fdb13.```71% memory in use.
0 MB physical memory [0 MB free].
0 MB paging file [0 MB free].
0 MB user address space [68 MB free].
Write to location 03ffc000 caused an access violation.```thinking it has something to do with it taking 12 years to load the skin changing menu
I copied Sean's existing work using WWW to get the file location of each png and then got their textureNonReadables
the game seems to open fine when I leave it alone and don't alt+tab out or click my mouse
copper nacelle
@fair rampart call gc.collect
charred crest
Hello! I was wondering if anybody could tell me what to do to start developing mods for Hollow Knight. I have Unity and know how to use it but I'm not sure if there are other programs that are used.
copper nacelle
dnSpy and an ide
charred crest
Thank you!
nimble lake
where's the thing that checks if you already double jumped in the air?
so that you wouldn't be able to double jump again?
safe hamlet
nimble lake
oh actually, both would be useful (if it's not asking for much)
floral furnace
gonna add a bit but theres also a method at the HeroController that resets both the airDashed and doubleJumped fields
iirc its public too
fair enough but i mean it in the case for ara if he just wanted to reset it for multiple double jumps
nimble lake
Thank you, much appreciated.
fair rampart
Added icons that are activated if you put an image of size 300x128 named "Icon.png" in a skin folder, otherwise it defaults to a cropped version of Knight.png
fair rampart
Should I make my fork of customknight separate from the original in the modinstaller?
copper nacelle
fragmentation 
charred crest
Is there any way to edit hollow knight in the unity editor
charred crest
thank you
unborn flicker
Out of curiosity, why does the modlinks link to the [1.4.3.6] version for PDT? I was going to add TopHatLuke's randomizer compatibility update today
or is that a version number that only coincidentally matched the game version at some past point in time, which seems like a rather strange choice
@simple python maybe?
simple python
The zip file? I think that's a game version, I haven't ever updated that part of the name 😅
The PR is for Luke's updated version
unborn flicker
Oh, if you already updated I won't worry about it then
But the current patch is 1.4.3.2, so it struck me as weird 
simple python
lol then I have no idea
warped sinew
@charred crest yeah just load up the source and change whatever you want
unborn flicker
So I'm trying to put an IL hook onto HeroController.EnterScene, but logging the ILContext doesn't seem match what I see in dnspy
etc etc
Is it an issue with the IEnumerator, or am I looking in the wrong place?
solemn rivet
@copper nacelle
copper nacelle
@unborn flicker ienumerators with yield are a lie
enable compiler generated classes
it's actually a state machine
unborn flicker
wdym by compiler generated classes?
copper nacelle
it's under options => decompiler
unborn flicker
Right, so now I see the actual method is HeroController.<EnterScene>c__Iterator0.MoveNext
can I still place an IL hook on it?
unborn flicker
oh great, I'll try that
unborn flicker
I think it worked
The reason why I think it worked is that I walked into a transition and it infinite loaded going back and forth instantly between the two scenes
copper nacelle
both
sullen tiger
shroedingers knight
unborn flicker
removing the .165s wait seems to work fine
removing any of the .25, .33, or .4 second waits breaks transitions
but could probably be fixed if someone wrote something to change how the transition works
copper nacelle
enter scene is called after load
unborn flicker
public override void Initialize()
{
instance = this;
Type T = typeof(HeroController).GetNestedTypes(BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Instance).First(t => t.Name == "<EnterScene>c__Iterator0");
MethodBase M = T.GetMethod("MoveNext", BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public);
new ILHook(M, HeroController_EnterScene);
}
private void HeroController_EnterScene(MonoMod.Cil.ILContext il)
{
ILCursor c = new ILCursor(il).Goto(0);
while (c.TryGotoNext(
i => i.OpCode == OpCodes.Ldc_R4,
i => i.OpCode == OpCodes.Newobj && i.MatchNewobj<WaitForSeconds>()
))
{
if ((float)c.Instrs[c.Index].Operand == .165f)
{
c.Remove();
c.Emit(OpCodes.Ldc_R4, 0f);
c.Index += 2;
}
}
}
il hooks are chad af my guy
insert stuff in the middle of methods and modify method params
fair rampart
wtf
copper nacelle
relatable
copper nacelle
fwiw on the GetMethod where it's instance and public those are default
so you can just omit the flags
unborn flicker
oh yeah, I thought it was private originally so I left it in
copper nacelle
i think that wait fucks w/ the blanker on interaction doors
it's absurd how much faster loads feel with this
unborn flicker
what doors have you tested? I don't have any issues in Dirtmouth
unborn flicker
although I ended up setting the last one back to .25/.33
copper nacelle
real preload hours
unborn flicker
By the way I went ahead and split it off from LoadNormalizer into a repository here: https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.FasterTransitions
lol
unborn flicker
copper nacelle
1 frame really isn't enough
unlucky
dirtmouth well is literally instant though
unborn flicker
dirtmouth well doesn't spawn you in the transition
copper nacelle
ah
unborn flicker
that's the main difference
if you had an offset for every transition you could drop it to 0 probably
the only wait that matters is the one after it sets the hero state to entering
copper nacelle
unborn flicker
that's the .25/.33 one for ch/no ch that I didn't change
nimble lake
wow
copper nacelle
i have some other transition stuff already in qol fwiw
you can set entryDelay to 0 and decrease fade time
it's in skip cutscenes
unborn flicker
oh yeah
I'd think only special stuff like dream sequences uses entry delay, right?
unborn flicker
But yeah, if you want to add faster transitions as one of the submods of qol that'd be great. I'm fine releasing it bundled, or by itself on the installer, either way
copper nacelle
I'd be down if you're cool with it
oh yeah do you want nohardsaves off by default
i remember you saying something about that
unborn flicker
Yeah, the only hard save that still exists and people care about in rando is the one after KP
But it's nice to have on for quitting out after fury
nimble lake
@jolly oriole hey, sorry about the ping but i need some help with the code you sent me before for the infinite double jump and air dash:
var hero = HeroController.instance;
ReflectionExtensions.SetAttr<HeroController, int>(hero, "doubleJump_steps", 0);
ReflectionExtensions.SetAttr<HeroController, float>(hero, "dash_timer", 0.0f);
ReflectionExtensions.SetAttr<HeroController, bool>(hero, "airDashed", false);
ReflectionExtensions.SetAttr<HeroController, bool>(hero, "doubleJumped", false);
Can't seem to get it to work. No errors or anything like that, it's just not doing anything in the game. Tried some stuff like looping it but I couldn't get it to work.
ornate rivet
where does this run in your code?
nimble lake
can't seem to be able to insert ResetAirMoves()..
copper nacelle
does this seem decent
unborn flicker
SKIP is { .165f, .4f }?
copper nacelle
yeah
unborn flicker
I think that should work then
it'll feel a little different for movement because you'll stop early entering in rooms
but I don't know that that's necessarily a bad thing
copper nacelle
yeah cycles might be a bit different
nimble lake
why won't you work
what am i doing wrong
copper nacelle
well for one it's not a static method
unborn flicker
instance method
copper nacelle
that is not what we referred to
hero.ResetAirMoves moment
i have found a problematic load
crossroads_07 -> crossroads_33
unborn flicker
set it back to .33/.25
.2 might be a bit too low
and it isn't black screen time anyways
nimble lake
hold on i just fixed an error that wouldn't let me build so let me try now
no unfortunately
Do I just add that under the other lines of code?
still not working for me
nimble lake
I just threw it in the middle of a charm mod
unborn flicker
fast 
copper nacelle
is it worth keeping the fast one
I think it's nicer enough but it's like .225 for both?
unborn flicker
I wouldn't expect the fast one to make any difference, unless it moves you at a different speed while it's still "entering"
I think the timer just affects when you get control
copper nacelle
yeah with .225 and the cornifer room you can hold right and not hit the platform
dunno if that's a good thing
unborn flicker
Also, @nimble lake you should put that code in a ModHooks.Instance.HeroUpdateHook if you want it to have any effect
Right now it's just giving double jump/dash when you equip a charm for the first time, probably
Yeah, I'd just leave the entering timers as vanilla 56. I don't see much benefit to changing them
unborn flicker
nimble lake
Where can I find modhooks?
unborn flicker
in Modding
fair rampart
multiplayer 2: electric boogaloo
nimble lake
multiplayer as in, 2 keyboards or internet
fair rampart
Internet
copper nacelle
i also enjoy the green video
fair rampart
ok discord
copper nacelle
nimble lake
fair rampart
anyways
https://streamable.com/e66334
copper nacelle
v nice
nimble lake
yea that's really cool
icy moss
that looks interesting
fair rampart
I have no idea why there's another knight stacked
nimble lake
once we were joking about hollow knight multiplayer mod
but here we are
nimble lake
no.
where were you wen hk multiplayer die
i was at house eating dorito when phone ring
‘hk multiplayer is kil’
‘no’```😔
safe hamlet
nice attempt at humor
ornate rivet
woah
floral furnace
wow
valid ridge
How do you deal with exported shaders in the editor for custom levels? Do you have a way to export them?
Actually, how are custom areas done in general
valid ridge
Thanks, this’ll help a lot
fair rampart
I have no idea why my client is disconnecting on scene changes
short vessel
cannot get health value from memory address c++
in hollow knight
it works with other games
safe hamlet
the health should be a static address tho
short vessel
not for me
safe hamlet
what did you use
safe hamlet
for the memory address
short vessel
994AE0E4
copper nacelle
do you have an actual pointer path or
safe hamlet
bruh
you need to get the path from program to gamemanger to playerdata to health
i think unless i am missing something there
actually you don't need gm
copper nacelle
yeah because you're using an offset instead of a path
offset isn't going to be consistent at all
short vessel
you mean an address
copper nacelle
and if you're not using win32 calls it's probably ub too
if it's just an address with no ref to the exe that's just not going to work period after reopening the game
safe hamlet
well hk isn't just a simple program that you can just use a single offset
short vessel
it one health varible
short vessel
i just want the current health
copper nacelle
what
short vessel
right now there are 4 address that contain the current health
i just the value of it
my program get the value of any other game but hollow knight'
it goes negative 900 millon
sometimes 2 billion
the output i get is 2081995776
that is not a valid address
the output
copper nacelle
r
short vessel
WHAT
ornate rivet
time to mute 56 again
short vessel
so this no help at all
safe hamlet
^ you can also look at livesplit to see how they read it
you don't even need to find them since livesplit has the value you are looking for
short vessel
so you're telling me to learn another language
copper nacelle
no
@leaden hedge can i put darkness on github
i added/changed some stuff for the toggling meme
gilded lotus
does show hitboxes on 1432 have a toggle
copper nacelle
idts
gilded lotus
😔
leaden hedge
you can put darkness on github
only reason I didn't is it's like 5lines like sanic mod
copper nacelle
not anymore 😤
copper nacelle
you know if you posted your code it'd be a lot easier to help
short vessel
well i have to commit to github
do you know how to turn the string "0x93FE40E4" into a DWORD
this is for getting arguments in the command prompt
short vessel
what
copper nacelle
short vessel
i watch a tutorial and he used dword
dword works
DWORD memoryAddress = strtol("0x93FE40E4", 0, 0);
this does not work
it going to be DWORD memoryAddress = strtol(argv[2], 0, 0);
copper nacelle
those are not the right args
it takes a cstr
so it needs a length
if you're just hardcoding an address you can just assign it directly though
DWORD memoryAddress = 0x93FE40E4ULL
short vessel
i not hard coding it
for arguments in the command prompt
so dont have to recompile everytime
help 
short vessel
testing that
aa
no
argv[2] is a char*
it doesn't accept anything that is not 0
do u want the code
copper nacelle
yeah
short vessel
how do you what it
copper nacelle
oh
i got it
just declare a char* before the strol
and then pass the ptr to that
short vessel
give an example
copper nacelle
int main(int argc, char** argv)
{
char* next_char;
DWORD addr = strol(argv[2], &next_char, 10);
// ...
}
do i have to include 0x
fair rampart
holy fuck, finally
short vessel
what would happen if dreamnail it
fair rampart
the answer was once again simple, just add a DontDestroyOnLoad
copper nacelle
you want the last arg as 16 actually
short vessel
and not strol
short vessel
strol(argv[2], &next_char, 10);
copper nacelle
yeah
short vessel
guess what
viral snow
One second me and the boys are joking about a possible online mode and yet here we are
short vessel
it didn't work
copper nacelle
did it not parse
short vessel
no
it parses if its hardcoded
i am going to have breakdown
1364943872
that the output
common sense tells me that dont have 1364943872 health
copper nacelle
short vessel
DWORD addr = strtol("93FE40E4", &next_char, 16);
DWORD addre = 0x93FE40E4;
those are not =
addr = 2147483647
addre = 2482913508
copper nacelle
strtoul
short vessel
it works
its better original plan using opencv python to get the health
and in the photo you're using strol
time to do pain of path but everytime i take damage i get shocked
short vessel
thank you very much
robust shale
Are the memory addresses documented or do memory scan it myself?
leaden hedge
dunno why you'd memory scan
just use something like PDT
and output it from the game with sockets
robust shale
PDT?
robust shale
Thanks! Yeah alright, I was just curious if the addresses were documented.
copper nacelle
Hk's livesplit components has some offsets documented
robust shale
Oh alright, thanks 56
sullen tiger
pls elaborate
nimble lake
damn who's that 3rd dude
ornate rivet
56, jngo, and I
sullen tiger
where do i get this
fair rampart
it's under development
nimble lake
imagine making it work with custom knight for each player
patent zealot
How would it work in the pantheons?
fair rampart
You can race with others, you can't damage other players' enemies
patent zealot
Ah thats cool
grizzled steppe
So is it like GhostMod for Celeste but a lot more complicated
I probably can't understand any of it but it looks complicated and hard so
nimble lake
where?
valid jetty
this excites me
nimble lake
heard multiplayer and came as fast as I can
take that out of context
dark shale
HOLY omg
turbid sonnet
grizzled steppe
megamind
nimble lake
How do unlocked abilities work?
Does it like, take them from the save file of the host and gives them to each player?
fair rampart
everyone's on their own in their own world
ornate rivet
let's do a WP race with multiplayer mod
fair rampart
gilded lotus
how does it work with room cycles and mobs, are they client side or whoever loads the room first
fair rampart
client side
gilded lotus
unlucky, so you cant all do eternal ordeal
fair rampart
yeah I'm not sending an entire world over to all the clients
nimble lake
Do I need to turn off other mods or something for this?
fair rampart
it's recommended
gilded lotus
so basically turn off any saleh mod
fair rampart
wait that dll is broken
ornate rivet
oh god imagine eternal ordeal if mobs were shared
50 knights vs infinite zotes
that would actually be the best thing ever
jngo please make p5/trial of fools/eternal ordeal enemies shared
fair rampart
working version
nimble lake
ok
now what?
ornate rivet
someone needs to host with hamachi
fair rampart
I'll host since I have the server dll
nimble lake
i remember hamachi
gilded lotus
yeah sure you just want my personal info
fair rampart
if you want in on this, dm me
copper nacelle
i would put actual money on zaliant winning
floral furnace
cant believe competitive pvp is finally becoming a thing
see you guys in ESL at 2021
nimble lake
can't wait for the 1st esport hollow knight tournament
ornate rivet
hk in the olympics
nimble lake
HK is a real sport, you know?
raw sierra
Greetings Genltmen, is there anyone know who is jngo102?
The search function presents three users with no special tags.
fair rampart
hello
raw sierra
Greetings from the twp, I've heard you from the Administrator
fair rampart
ok
raw sierra
Please excuse me from my attempt of creating a conversation environment with more......privacy I assume.
safe hamlet
bro what
turbid sonnet
i must get in on this
grizzled steppe
no
fair rampart
floral furnace
elderbug bout to lose it
raw sierra
Greetings, 56
I’ve also heard about you while having a conversation with the Administrator
copper nacelle
who
raw sierra
The Administrator........
viral snow
I must play this even if it means going out of quarantine
raw sierra
Please allow me to verify my information
Emmmm
The user with the surname “Benji”
0790
copper nacelle
cool
leaden hedge
banjo 
copper nacelle
🪕
raw sierra
So......I was planning to send some messages to inform you something, which is prohibited by your “do not disrupt” circumstances(according to my memory a while ago)
safe hamlet
communicate with him here
raw sierra
Form my personal perspective, this very moment will be a good chance for me.
solemn rivet
👀
raw sierra
My apologize, such an action is unacceptable according to my personal standard.....
copper nacelle
what
raw sierra
User "56" #1363 please check your.......private communication channel?
copper nacelle
do you want me to enable dms or
raw sierra
(I am not quite sure about its nickname)
Done.
It's a lot of contexts.....selective reading is expected.
hazy sentinel
user "end underscore 2^11 (Communicator)" have you tried communicating like a human
raw sierra
My lack of knowledge to the popular culture in this community is the main cause of the current circumstances.
dusky lion
Are you using google translate to talk
raw sierra
Depends on your perspective
dusky lion
Are you a native english speaker
raw sierra
May you be so kind to show me your relative evidences of such a hypothesis?
No, unfortunately
dusky lion
You sound like a sentient thesaurus and the jury is still out whether that's the fault of google translate
young walrus
"May you be so kind to show me your relative evidences of such a hypothesis?"
My favorite sentence I've read today
raw sierra
But judging by them, I am the best possible comminutor they got
You may ask a twp member you met for a request of a replacement.
dusky lion
I will ask the Washington post that
young walrus
您是否正在使用Google翻译与我们交谈？
fair rampart
Hi Wood
cerulean patio
But judging by them, I am the best possible comminutor they got
well,that's true
dusky lion
wood can you please give any amount of context
raw sierra
In language that is within your understanding or far beyond your understanding?
dusky lion
far beyond please
unborn flicker
end_2048 is the spokesperson for The White Palace, which is a mostly Chinese-speaking group of artists that make custom knight skins.
dusky lion
so is it google translate
leaden hedge
any proof cammie?
iron crown
maybe they just took a really good english class
unborn badger
chief i'm not trying to be an ass but
a communicator should probably be able to actually communicate well
young walrus
is about to ass
unborn badger
why are you eldercing me i'm right
safe hamlet
well yes but actually no
leaden hedge
modding is still toxic to pepo
floral furnace
society do be like this
leaden hedge
even when pepo is expected
fair rampart
what
iron crown
dusky lion
If it is language inteference, I apologize end
leaden hedge
serotype is not remotely correct
raw sierra
No need for this my colleague
young walrus
they don't speak english, so ofc the syntax is going to be weird
leaden hedge
did you mean stereotypical
raw sierra
And it is not an interference.
dusky lion
You are using very formal language likely because you aren't a native english speaker; I don't think they teach internet speech in english classes
leaden hedge
its not even formal
unborn badger
it's okay to say you're using some kind of translation program
leaden hedge
its just unnatural
solemn rivet
^
dusky lion
Katie English isn't their first language
Just give them some slack
Who knows what teaching program they used
still locust
What happened???
solemn rivet
we're having communication issues
dusky lion
Your ambassador is speaking very verbosely which confused a lot of people
raw sierra
Hypothetical correct based on my instinctual analyzation
You are using very formal language likely because you aren't a native english speaker; I don't think they teach internet speech in english classes
still locust
iron crown
bruh just say yes
raw sierra
yes.
still locust
I'm trying to catch up
leaden hedge
i dunno why people have a problem,
its not that bad, besides unnatural word selection and some weird dictionary forms of words instead of the grammatically correct one
raw sierra
I didn't prepare well for a general conversation........under most circumstances.....but I will rearrange and script a proper speech for a public announcement, if ever needed
still locust
Oh I see, infact he always talk to us like that, even in Chinese
I'm sorry for the weird atmosphere, he is kind of shy and sensitive, maybe he was afraid of not behaving appropriately?
raw sierra
No I am not shy
still locust
OK
solemn rivet
no, it's fine
fair rampart
I loved reading this 😁
iron crown
oh god they do french too
valid ridge
It's not that uncommon for people to mix in other languages like that
solemn rivet
that's fine, don't sweat it
cerulean patio
I think I must learn English well😫
rugged river
No I am not shy
@raw sierra you aren‘t shy but nervous
still locust
Shall we back to modding-development now...
I'm so excited about the mutiplayer mod, is there any user guide about it?
raw sierra
If you desire a translated version, just send me a copy.....
fair rampart
I wanna work on the mod more before making a guide on it
still locust
got it
fair rampart
@rain cedar Do you mind if I replace the current customknight with mine once it's finished?
rain cedar
Go for it
fair rampart
alright thanks
fair rampart
wee haha
patent zealot
Can they hit each other with nails?
fair rampart
not yet
patent zealot
hk pvp confirmed
nimble lake
did gamer got hit as well?
fair rampart
yes, you can see so
fair rampart
it's toggleable by the host
leaden hedge
How laggy is that lol
fair rampart
it runs better than I expected but it's definitely not production ready
warped sinew
oh my
nimble lake
LittleGhostNet
grizzled steppe
That's actually a big brain name
nimble lake
ShadeNet
floral furnace
bruh dont bother graig is just gonna go full tri lifeblood charms + thorns then hell just face tank you to death /s
grizzled steppe
Max lifeblood Fury spam
ornate rivet
spell build sounds more op tbh
quiet lodge
fill up ur soul beforehand
ornate rivet
get the gank squad out
fair rampart
Someone needs to host the server
Would you like me to host?
also you need hamachi
leaden hedge
no punchthrough 
young walrus
So does the server create an instance of the entire world?
ornate rivet
nope
fair rampart
nope, only an instance of the player
ornate rivet
jngo is the server you sent in the fk discord the latest version?
fair rampart
no
ornate rivet
can you send the latest one?
buoyant obsidian
did you just say it needs Hamachi? 😨
ornate rivet
yea
buoyant obsidian
war flashbacks
fair rampart
ornate rivet
oh I meant the server file
fair rampart
oh
ornate rivet
leaden hedge
thats probably why its so laggy lol
can't you ask angle if you can use their server for udp punchthrough
ornate rivet
@compact sedge
leaden hedge
i assume you're not doing hole punching because it requires a server to matchmake
fair rampart
multiplayer preloads
compact sedge
Depends on what you write the matchmaker in. The server only has 2 GB of ram total and it’s in France so don’t use it as a bridge, only as a discovery point for clients. If they use upnp tho it should be good
@ornate rivet
ornate rivet
@fair rampart
fair rampart
"only" 2GB lol
my networking knowledge is garbage
I just adapted this tutorial series to work with HK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh8XaC0Y5MA
so no unet
that simplifies things a lot
so the server has no content from hollow knight at all ?
it does, the server still uses the modding api
leaden hedge
i mean it should be pretty similar, but instead of using hamachi
the server connects to the matchmaker and never close that connection so you get a port and address open temporarily
then the client does the same,
then server and client can connect directly by asking the matchmaker for the ips and ports of other clients
fair rampart
Do I write the matchmaker myself or does Angle need to do that for his server?
fair rampart
any tutorials on how to get started with that? I'd guess that it'd need to written in something more performant like C++
fair rampart
alright
fair rampart
I'd guess that it'd need to written in something more performant like C++
you mean than c# ?
C# is fine even for full servers
copper nacelle
why
unborn badger
ignore him, he's just someone who posts random stupid shit
and will probably get banned in a moment for ban evasion
young walrus
.done
warped sinew
Hamachi is a word I haven't seen in like 20 years. We used to use that to play Street Fighter over emulation in like 2002
playing street fighter over ADSL1 over hamachi with like 300ms ping. ahh good times.
nimble lake
i remember playing minecraft with friends using hamachi
fervent rampart
How do you make mods? I would like to try and get started
copper nacelle
vb 😬
sinful epoch
pls Senpais how to debug mods with visual studio or with rider, it doesn't matter 🙏
I have a build that outputs a mod and its .pdb into the /managed/mods game directory, and the game loads this mod, 100%.
But for some reason neither VS nor Rider can't hit a breakpoint. VS, for example, says that pdb not found even though it's right there near the mod dll. And there is no my dll in "Modules" after attaching to a running HK exe
copper nacelle
Kinda
Works unless you use any mod at all which uses any sort of On/IL hook
which is like all of them
rain cedar
Ah so it's useless
copper nacelle
Yeah
You can use the pdb for line numbers if:
- you convert it to an mdb
- you change your hk build to debug by getting the debug unity player by downloading unity
kind of effort
sinful epoch
Ooff. I'm like a total .net baby
fair rampart
relatable
sinful epoch
So the fact that I can't step-debug is normal, right?
copper nacelle
yeah
sinful epoch
Thanks God, I was thinking that I'm being a total pepo
Ok, will try to get the most of the object explorer or how tf this thing is called then. And my favorite printf debugging 🙂
copper nacelle
I have a tiny thing which might make debugging easier
Didn't end up using it but I made it for better printf debugs like rust's dbg! macro
sinful epoch
Oh, pog
copper nacelle
this meme
sinful epoch
Looks cool
also lowkey reminds me of python-hunter: https://github.com/ionelmc/python-hunter
although that one is an uber-tracing-machine
copper nacelle
that looks cool
sinful epoch
Yeah, I use it all the time
copper nacelle
note: it reads the file to get the line
because c# does not have macros
but there's an attribute for line number and file location so i abuse it
sinful epoch
nice
copper nacelle
i just realized the whole thing is internal
suboptimal
the idea was set these so you could use it wherever instead of stdout
sinful epoch
I need a debugger mostly to learn how the code works step by step to get myself more familiar with a codebase, but this should be helpful as well. Do I just add a reference to that and I good to go, right?
copper nacelle
yeah
put it in mods
so it actually gets loaded
set the properties
and then vibe
gilded lotus
iS iT sAfE?
sinful epoch
I only use Windows to launch games so I don't care 
copper nacelle
sinful epoch
Although now I installed all my gpg crap to sign commits on windows so pls don't virus me senpai 
hollow gale
A m a z i n g
gilded lotus
fervent rampart
How far along is the multiplayer mod @fair rampart? It sounds amazing
nimble lake
what is dbg.dll?
fair rampart
It's in the very early stages of development and is full of dangerous bugs @fervent rampart
grizzled steppe
You cannot escape 56
reef sluice
not even in the main menu are you safe from it
hollow gale
👍
fervent rampart
Aight cool @fair rampart
fair rampart
shenanigans
nimble lake
how is he even doing that?
fair rampart
I thought I had it deactivate on the animation "NA Cyclone End" but guess not
copper nacelle
get a lag switch so it drops the frames where you'd end cyclone and then run after people
fair rampart
anyways, I got all the slashes, spells, and nail arts done
fair rampart
b
ss mds
weak lodge
mmm thats a yes
dont worry im not saleh
6*
youll see
coming soon™️
depends
if i finally give and ask someone for help then before
if not then after
if im not dead by that point it will be made
fervent rampart
Lmao
gilded lotus
ornate rivet
I cant believe Zal is doing this when he hasn't even finished five knights music 
patent zealot
i thought that was 5 knights music
grizzled steppe
What a noob
ornate rivet
na it's for Grenade's mod
patent zealot
Ah
nimble lake
i wonder what's supposed to be in the end.
gilded lotus
too lazy to wrap to beginning even tho 2 clicks
fervent rampart
fair rampart
why might this be happening and making scene loads get stuck?
at SceneLoad+<BeginRoutine>c__Iterator0.MoveNext () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (IEnumerator enumerator, IntPtr returnValueAddress) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 ```Hm
fair rampart
the full output log
copper nacelle
fair rampart
it happens when I load up a save, change scenes, exit the game, open the game, then load the save again
yeah idk why it's fetching an empty string
copper nacelle
check whatever the bench scene is set to
fair rampart
with dnspy or?
copper nacelle
just hook save game load and check the field
or decrypt the save with qol or something
copper nacelle
probably
rain cedar
To some degree yeah
Obviously it's not gonna get sharper than the actual resolution of the art
fair rampart
alright, so the issue is that respawnScene becomes empty whenever I bench somewhere other than the one I start the save at
I have no idea why that's happening
rain cedar
It depends
gilded lotus
cant you just set the resolution and see
fervent rampart
fair rampart
okay, for now I'm just manually setting the respawnScene and respawnMarkerName to the current scene's
this will probably break for hard saves
copper nacelle
do you hook setstring or anything
because I grepped it and there's nothing actually setting respawn scene in the client
fair rampart
no
rain cedar
@celest eagle I have a 1440p monitor and the game is noticeably crisper than 1080p
fair rampart
what happens is if multiple players share the same active scene then instances of the players get spawned on the client side
the PlayerData charm bools get sent in the same packet
copper nacelle
I can't see anything obvious
One thing to note is that if you throw in activeSceneChanged
Other hooks won't run
for some reason
So if tc had any and you threw that could be something
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fair rampart
throw as in a try/catch?
copper nacelle
throw as in throw without a try catch
fair rampart
ah
yeah I'm not doing any of that anywhere
hol up
there's a throw in an if else in the tutorial I followed
that's only in the packet reading method though and the scene change hook only sends packets, so
ornate rivet
MEBI asks if anyone wants to do a phase 2 for massive moss charger, he wants to make new animations for it.
fair rampart
He asked me too and I denied lol
floral furnace
you might have luck with sid, if hes in the mood
fair rampart
Is there anything else I should do besides replace CustomKnight.zip on the drive and update the dll sha1sum on modlinks.xml to update CustomKnight?
fair rampart
@safe hamlet
copper nacelle
cannot believe he would ignore the second message
fair rampart
I am doing both
copper nacelle
drive has a confirmation for files >25
so you need to host custom knight somewhere else
sid put it on dying is fun / owo.pomf or whatever
fair rampart
yeah I saw that link in the xml too
copper nacelle
github releases should also work fine though if that's easier
commiting binaries 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢
fair rampart
what'd I do wrong this time
copper nacelle
no i was 🤢 ing grenade
tacit trail
should I know the fundamentals of C# before attempting to make mods
copper nacelle
yeah
sinful epoch
Or just be like me and bullshit your way aroud 4Head
spiral forum
How can I change the original sprites for hollow knight?
nimble lake
there's customknight
spiral forum
Doesn’t that only let you change what your knight looks like?
Bc what I want to do is remake all of the sprites in MS Paint
copper nacelle
write a shader to do it
spiral forum
Yes... that
spiral forum
Would I do it though unity?
compact sedge
this is why, if y'all are curious, I host my own site for my mod downloads
safe hamlet
no we aren't 
upper niche
--`
Sorry cat stepped on my keyboard
But does the coop mod share enemies, or is it more like celeste ghostmod
copper nacelle
latter
upper niche
Oh, so you can't interact with the others/their enemies?
copper nacelle
there was some like slashes going to other people stuff and those could hit their enemies
upper niche
Wow! That's really cool! So you could, say, co-op bosses by having the occasion p2 slash hit the boss?
It would be really cool if enemies could share health but not location, so both players could fight the boss on their own, but are also helping the other in doing so
Would that be realistic?
fair rampart
You might be onto something
upper niche
Yeah? Glad to help, then! Though, if that's the case, a bit of health scaling might need to be implemented too
unreal wren
Hello does anyone have like base code that I could use? Like for the game
unreal wren
Oh, so it's not like a document with the base code
unreal wren
Ummm about that, I dont have it on steam
unborn badger
GoG?
rain cedar
Wherever you have it the file structure is the same
rain cedar
Charm system is an fsm
There's an fsm viewer but it's not gonna work if you don't have the game on pc
Why do you want to see?
unreal wren
I'm working on like an original game and I wanted to implement a charm system like hollow knights since it works so well, so I wanted to see like how I would go about coding it
ornate rivet
you probably dont want to copy their code lol
they dont even use code for most of the charm ui technically. They use playmaker fsm which is more like drag and drop coding.
unborn badger
do you have ori and the will of the wisps 
unreal wren
No, I don't have a computer