archived-modding-development

[safe hamlet]

^

[charred parrot]

This does not meet KDT Standards™

[leaden hedge]

™

[charred parrot]

I don't even think variance values this small even matters to colliders

[leaden hedge]

I'd adopt you just so I could disown own you for this dishonor

[safe hamlet]

imagine having variance

[charred parrot]

I'm not actually too sure whats causing it

[charred parrot]

ya I'm definitely doing something wrong with this gameplay loop

KDT sama what I miss?

regular calling from fixed/update has no stutter

hooking onto these actions instead though does

[unborn flicker]

broke: making the lever set the playerdatabool when you hit it
woke: making the gate fsm set the playerdatabool when it opens

[leaden hedge]

it's probably the hooking that makes it slow

wouldn't surprise me if
MyDelegate?.Invoke();
is slower than

myDelegate[] delegates = MyDelegates.GetInvocationList();
foreach(myDelegate d in delegates){
    d.Invoke();
}

also thats probably doubling your physics

because it'll also be doing them automatically at 50/s

[charred parrot]

naw I turned off auto simulation

and is doing a ?.Invoke REALLY slower than whatever is getting FixedUpdate to fire on each separate monobehaviour?

[leaden hedge]

well the monobehaviour stuff is probably c++ code

and probably just a function pointer

[jovial vault]

it doesnt feel like saleh's been gone to me considering he's been bothering dming me nonstop

[leaden hedge]

if you want to get the authentic experience you can block them

[silk jetty]

I've seen saleh a few times in other channels

[leaden hedge]

saleh posted here 3hrs ago 🤔

[jovial vault]

or did he

[safe hamlet]

mino hacked saleh's account

[jovial vault]

shut up shh

[charred parrot]

How much does HK's dash vary by exactly?

[jovial vault]

i opened my goodreads after 2 months and lol

[ornate rivet]

Not only does the cover partially spoil that jasnah is alive, it also doesn't represent the book very well since jasnah is in 5% of it

though it still looks amazing

[solemn rivet]

saleh is here

can I get an autograph?

[hazy sentinel]

;j

[hollow pier]

;y

[thin perch]

where's randomizer 3??

[copper nacelle]

#randomizer 📌

[unborn flicker]

maybe 1000 is a little too much to ask for

[safe hamlet]

[unborn flicker]

I honestly thought this seed had crashed the game

[solemn rivet]

[rain cedar]

If randomization is gonna take that long you should run it in another thread so the game doesn't freeze

Display a spinner or something

[unborn flicker]

nah, it takes about .25s on average

[solemn rivet]

what was wrong with that seed then

[unborn flicker]

a completable placement normally takes about 12 passes on transitions

I set the failsafe for 1000 passes

[solemn rivet]

[unborn flicker]

which is especially unnecessary, considering as best as I can tell this seed isn't placing anything at all

yeah, the problem is probably that it doesn't realize it can place an item at fury and then a transition from King's Pass to progress

This issue has been pretty rare, so rather than try and make it search through solutions I'll just have it place claw at fury in that case

Once there are multiple item locations, the transition randomizer preemptively fills progression so it's not an issue

[leaden hedge]

do you always spawn at kings pass?

[unborn flicker]

yeah

[leaden hedge]

seems boring, technical reasons or nah?

[unborn flicker]

I could probably change it

but having a guaranteed item location is very nice for randomizing

I don't think the alternatives of starting in Crossroads/GP/Fungal would be more interesting, if you were to try to keep that

[young walrus]

Start in front of black egg temple

Immediate 3 transitions to choose from

Or 2 if you keep temple vanilla

[unborn flicker]

nah, that would be room rando

[young walrus]

Oh right. You're just doing areas now

[leaden hedge]

I mean it'd be somewhat more interesting, if you had a random start position in each area

where you get atleast 1 item

[young walrus]

Random start position?

Ooh

Every time you play

[leaden hedge]

yeah you'd have one room in each area thats a possible start

so you don't always start at kings pass, you could start at abyss and have to work your way back up

although I don't think you can get any abyss items naked

[unborn flicker]

Is this for item randomizer then?

[leaden hedge]

if you're doing area+item randomizer

[unborn flicker]

I don't know what "work your way up" means in area rando

[young walrus]

Bottom of abyss

[leaden hedge]

you'd start in a really endgame area sometimes

[young walrus]

Door would be an issue

Obvi

[leaden hedge]

so you'd have to do somethings you'd never need to do otherwise

[unborn flicker]

hmmm, well anyways, I don't think randomized starts would make any kind of difference when every KP transition is randomized anyways

something like climbing out of Abyss just takes too many items

[leaden hedge]

like you're never gonna get into GQ without shade cloak/claw+cdash

[unborn flicker]

but maybe I could make it down the road, who knows

QG?

I had a seed yesterday which forced QG with only dash, because it had both Isma's Tear and Monarch Wings

it connected to Dirtmouth, which you got to through Resting Grounds, which was reached through Fog Canyon, which opened from the waterways door in CoT, which you reached from KP

Changing the start location from KP would hardly affect that chain though

[leaden hedge]

oh you're putting them past the progression checks then

[unborn flicker]

progression checks?

[leaden hedge]

well to get into QG you need either ismas/shade cloak/claw+cdash

like you couldn't have put them in the room you cdash over the acid in

if you only had dash

[unborn flicker]

that transition requires cdash or tear, sure

But the item logic had to be completely rewritten in terms of transition logic for this

so ordinary requirements are out the window

in that seed, Tear was at Wraiths, where Overgrown Mound connected to QG through the Moss Prophet transition

and Monarch Wings was at Love Key

[leaden hedge]

so would you need ismas/shade cloak to escape QG

[unborn flicker]

there is no escape logic

The mod requires benchwarp

but if you arrived at the other side of that particular transition

yes, you would need those to reach fog canyon

[leaden hedge]

and if you arrived on the fog canyon side, you'd need them to get in right

[unborn flicker]

exactly

So, for example, two days ago I had a seed where the shade cloak blocked entrance connected to Abyss

so you had to have Shade Cloak to reach it, opening the lever from the other side first would be impossible

[leaden hedge]

ye I understand, if you immediately go to a random area after KP its pretty much the same as starting in a random place

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, sorry if I didn't convey that too well

even getting to Dirtmouth can be hard, finding a stag isn't always trivial

This is the same seed I posted earlier. Now if it doesn't find any transitions or items which give progression, it tries to place claw as a last ditch effort

which almost always should be enough to save the seed

[leaden hedge]

well it unlocks like 60% of the items in the game

[unborn flicker]

actually, there aren't too many strictly claw-blocked items, iirc

aside from dreamers

but it opens a ton of transitions

if nothing else, the other KP exit

[leaden hedge]

we had a spreadsheet somewhere iirc

with progression items to how many things require them

[unborn flicker]

yeah, the big thing for claw is that it can substitute for so many other things

[young walrus]

Can it be my dad?

[solemn rivet]

can it be my gf?

[unborn flicker]

of course

[young walrus]

You have hands

[unborn flicker]

just believe

[leaden hedge]

ill be ur gf for 10000 runescape gold

[unborn flicker]

in the bone hook

[solemn rivet]

KDT make it norwegian krone

[leaden hedge]

10000 danish krone is like 2.16 billion osrs gold

unless you want 10k osrs gold in krone, inwhich case its like 0.046 or smth

oh wait norwegian money is way worse but has the same name

[solemn rivet]

ye

[leaden hedge]

its 2/3rds of that

[solemn rivet]

inflationbois

[leaden hedge]

do they draw a little pp for their money symbol like sweden

10000:-

[solemn rivet]

we need a norwegian here stat

[jovial vault]

Norway is fake

[solemn rivet]

norway!

[jovial vault]

sigh

[solemn rivet]

sigh

mino draw tentacly nsfw art when

[jovial vault]

Never

[safe hamlet]

go to sleep

[jovial vault]

I cant sleep

[safe hamlet]

relatable

i always fall asleep like an hour after i turn off discord

[jovial vault]

Ive been trying for like 40 minutes

Dang

[solemn rivet]

count tentacles

[copper nacelle]

try sleeping at 4am

[jovial vault]

Usually i pass out pretty quick

[copper nacelle]

it works wonders

[solemn rivet]

always works

[jovial vault]

Sorry i like having a regular sleep schedule or my depressioni gets on my ass

[solemn rivet]

is that like italian depression?

I want one

[jovial vault]

Maccaroni depressioni

[solemn rivet]

somebody toucha my depressioni

[jovial vault]

Gradow a place i wanted to apply to would require me to learn either french or portugese.
Its time for you to teach me the porting of geese

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

the time has indeed come

beware tho

geese are

adepts of the tentacles

[jovial vault]

Tentacles?

Ok

[safe hamlet]

draw tentacles and you can instantly learn portuguese

[jovial vault]

no

[solemn rivet]

umm

Nick Fury's cat is called Goose

so...

Captain Marvel

[jovial vault]

imagine knowing a romance language or drawing

Hmnnn

[leaden hedge]

english is like 50% romance

50% viking

[jovial vault]

1% germanic

[solemn rivet]

portuguese is 69% romance and 42.0% br lixo

[jovial vault]

ok

[safe hamlet]

makes sense

[leaden hedge]

portuguese is 100% jajajajajaja tu madre puta morde

[jovial vault]

LMAO

[solemn rivet]

except only like 2 of these words are actually portuguese

[jovial vault]

The rest are french

[safe hamlet]

spanish is that, jaja si

[solemn rivet]

where's kuro when we need him

[leaden hedge]

then why did brazilians say that to me in league of lesbians

checkm8

[jovial vault]

Kuro speaks what

All i speak is dumbass

[solemn rivet]

because they either assume everyone else speaks spanish OR they like to pretend they speak it themselves

[jovial vault]

As you do

[solemn rivet]

there are literally thousands of videos on YT of br youtubers "trolling" on fortnite pretending to be from argentina, chile etc.

idk why that's a thing

but it is

[jovial vault]

And you are one of them

[solemn rivet]

ye

gotta make dem moneys

[charred parrot]

mino go to sleep

[jovial vault]

reee i cant sleep

[solemn rivet]

let's put it like this

[safe hamlet]

lazy game when

[jovial vault]

Also lazy you go to bed at three am

Game when i make the focken assets

[solemn rivet]

if you don't sleep within 15min, you have to draw me a full lewd A2 with tentacles

[jovial vault]

no

[solemn rivet]

and that's an offer you can't refuse btw

[jovial vault]

Jesus christ 56

[solemn rivet]

do 56 reactions

I dare ya

16 to go

[jovial vault]

Sigh

[copper nacelle]

ok

[solemn rivet]

he's done it

the madman

[copper nacelle]

[hazy sentinel]

5⃣ 6⃣ ✖

[safe hamlet]

why do you have so many

[jovial vault]

56 x maggotprime sounds like a ship name

[safe hamlet]

[solemn rivet]

that's because it is

and veru ships it

[hazy sentinel]

mino x tentacle art

[solemn rivet]

see

[jovial vault]

veru x linear algebra (nsfw)

[hazy sentinel]

basically

[jovial vault]

Flex

Imagine not missing an A* in maths by 1 point

[solemn rivet]

not even rank SSS lel

[safe hamlet]

^

[unborn flicker]

one of the sad things about growing up is you don't get to flex on your elite high school test scores anymore

[copper nacelle]

i sleep

[hazy sentinel]

i get to flex student debt

[leaden hedge]

you need to gain higher and better scores to flex with

[copper nacelle]

real shit

[jovial vault]

Imagine going to an elite high school

[safe hamlet]

very nice

[jovial vault]

56 forgotten foe when

[safe hamlet]

^

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

56 forgotten ferret when

[copper nacelle]

my particles don't match lost kin's color scheme but when they do it looks blurry

cursed

[jovial vault]

Friendly face when 56
The people are asking

[solemn rivet]

false fractal when 56

[safe hamlet]

fix your eyes

[jovial vault]

nou

[solemn rivet]

btw was it fun to watch me struggle solving that celeste puzzle the other day?

[safe hamlet]

yes

[jovial vault]

Ye

[solemn rivet]

should I stream shitty point-n-click adventure gamz?

[safe hamlet]

man immutablelists are super dumb

[copper nacelle]

[safe hamlet]

https://learning-csharp.might-be-super.fun/6xh1vBv.png look at this

someone benchmarked it

some cursed results

[leaden hedge]

wtf is a immutable list

lists are mutable by definition

[safe hamlet]

list that you can't mutate

[leaden hedge]

thats called an array

[copper nacelle]

ok

[safe hamlet]

yea no point in that when you have an array

[leaden hedge]

so its a static array

[safe hamlet]

well you can't actually mutate the list, it just returns a new object when you do stuff like add

[copper nacelle]

ah

interesting

[trim totem]

is 56 doing homework

[copper nacelle]

no i'm procrastinating

[trim totem]

stream homeowrk

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

dew eet

[safe hamlet]

stream lost lord

[copper nacelle]

i am watching ax

[solemn rivet]

stream urself watching ax

[trim totem]

this

[charred parrot]

does HK have damage caps anywhere

[leaden hedge]

yeah

[jovial vault]

Gradow why do you have speedrunner role

[leaden hedge]

you can only deal 1 damage to THK when he stabs himself

[charred parrot]

ok other than that though

actually does HK deal damage to himself when he stabs himself

or is it a lie

[unborn flicker]

no

[charred parrot]

Wow HK

not a real team player

[unborn flicker]

exactly

he stabs himself to make the fight take longer

[copper nacelle]

stabbing himself is a secret self-defense mechanism

[jovial vault]

ok buddy

[copper nacelle]

removing the entirety of the wait may not have been the move

[charred parrot]

PS Vita release when

[jovial vault]

Dreamscape on Ti-86 when

[copper nacelle]

https://streamable.com/jh73v

i need more attack variety

[unborn flicker]

add sawblades

[jovial vault]

Draw new ones duh

Sawblades too

[trim totem]

the rain world music tho

56 what the hell is this

[copper nacelle]

death

(wip)

[trim totem]

this actually looks like cancer

[copper nacelle]

((((wip))))

[trim totem]

delete like half of those particles

[jovial vault]

Thats always the intention when making a hk mod

[unborn flicker]

what about

[jovial vault]

Gotta go fast and particley

[safe hamlet]

^

[unborn flicker]

Lost Lord and Flukemarm... at the same time!?!?! 😱

khan's cancer comment gave me the perfect idea

[jovial vault]

Homothety no

Half of this server is collectively shitting itself over e3 and i cant sleep

Anyone want to knock me out with a bat

[trim totem]

no they aren't

[jovial vault]

ok khan

[trim totem]

e3 is trash rn

[jovial vault]

ya true

[copper nacelle]

i just had the biggest brain idea

[jovial vault]

also i like how every night at 2:30 am i get a stream notification from you

oh no

[copper nacelle]

i can make a curried function for coroutines

[trim totem]

just wake up

[jovial vault]

stay up late for exclusive khan rain world streams

[copper nacelle]

[safe hamlet]

smh

[copper nacelle]

works though

[trim totem]

what tim e is it mino

[safe hamlet]

o that's actually nice

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[jovial vault]

2:06 am

[half tundra]

is there a mod that removes primal aspids

[jovial vault]

Cant sleep

No

[safe hamlet]

yes, you just have to make it

[copper nacelle]

if haskell taught me one thing it was the greatness of partial application of functions

[half tundra]

dangit

[hollow pier]

still looks easier than lost kin

[copper nacelle]

ok buddy

[trim totem]

lost kin no jump

[safe hamlet]

 _shieldAttack.InsertCoroutine("CircularAttack", 0, () => { return CircularNailBarrage(5f); });

glorious lambda

[copper nacelle]

stop

get some function currying

[safe hamlet]

curry 😩

but lambdas are pretty hot too

[copper nacelle]

at the very least don't make it that thing

braces and a return on a one line statement

[safe hamlet]

that's true

can just => method()

[copper nacelle]

yeah

this doesn't work

why

9f is because it didn't seem like it was changing

and it isn't

[safe hamlet]

thonk

maybe the index is off

[copper nacelle]

it has another sender

if you try and change the waitrandom

unfortunate

[safe hamlet]

unfortunate indeed

i love how inconsistent my code for markoth is

i can basically mod the whole boss by just modifying the fsms

but i do it using moth fsms and update

very cursed

[copper nacelle]

i think i need to get rid of like 90% of the old code

I found out why it wasn't working

I had an FsmEvent.Finished right after the wait

(with no wait)

[safe hamlet]

nice

[dusky lion]

56

FIFTYSIX

[safe hamlet]

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/7e3M8KQ.jpg haha yes

[charred parrot]

wow

[copper nacelle]

the color matching is on point

[young walrus]

just like my outfit

[safe hamlet]

done by mino™

[ornate rivet]

this is hot

[trim totem]

holy fuck kill it

[solemn basin]

This looks amazing.

Keep up the evil work Sid.

[safe hamlet]

thank

[floral furnace]

2 mask dam or bust

[solemn basin]

OHKO

[copper nacelle]

reminder not to set up jump's setvelocity2d to everyframe

[safe hamlet]

[charred parrot]

mino colored the grimm spikes?

praise mno

mino

[copper nacelle]

lost kin's fsm is so bad

animation frames for waits

[floral furnace]

didnt you remove the empty hops from LL

[copper nacelle]

no

[jovial vault]

lol whos mino

[charred parrot]

isnt it like 4am

[jovial vault]

5:40

[charred parrot]

yeeesh

[jovial vault]

Solid three hours of sleep

Gotta drop my brother at the airport

[floral furnace]

oh shit where he droppin boi

[jovial vault]

southeast asia

urmo

ok buddy

[floral furnace]

hai zal

[unborn flicker]

I'm beginning to think that taking four classes of notes in one notepad was a mistake

On the other hand, I am able to contemplate the moment of profundity that led to:
"rectangles in any direction - nothing is true"

so not all is lost

[urban olive]

im an idiot

i made a mod to cap soul at 33

and it worked fine the whole game but then i realized

it like

deleted the soul vessels i collected?

i have no idea why

but its bothering me because %

and ive been looking in debug and QoL json

but cant find a way to add fragments

can someone tell me what im missing?

[fair rampart]

**Mac**

Yes, mods can be installed on a mac.
You can use the installer
To run the installer:

1. Open the Terminal
2. Type cd $(dirname
3. Drag the exe onto the terminal.
4. Type ) then hit Return/Enter
5. Type mono --arch=32 (Note the space at the end)
6. Drag the exe onto the terminal and then hit Return/Enter

If this fails with bash: mono: command not found then

1. install mono here
2. Open a new terminal window
3. Type/paste in export PATH=/usr/local/bin:${PATH} and hit Return/Enter
4. Repeat steps 2-6 above.

[oblique heron]

guys what kind of mod is newtonsoft.json??

[solar jacinth]

sid damn that thing is so cool

a bit late sorry

[leaden hedge]

newtonsoft is a json library for c# 🤔

[safe hamlet]

haha yes newtonsoft.json is my favorite mod

[half tundra]

hey uh can we get a mod where every single sound is replaced by zote

every sprite replaced with zote too

the hollow zote : zotesong

[jovial vault]

yeah sure, make it yourself tho

[silk jetty]

[dawn oxide]

[fair yacht]

I noticed that some of the rando shop stuff was missing meme descriptions, so I wrote what I think could work. I also rewrote some of the charm descriptions.

[wanton steppe]

Where can i find the latest version of Randomizer that randomizes mask fragments, items etc. ?

[leaden hedge]

latest version is usually pinned in randomizer-races

[wanton steppe]

i see

thanks

[jade bronze]

It gets pretty crazy... I've seen the non-Salubra notches by the time I beat False Knight

2 at Iselda, 1 at Sly, 1 at FK

[fair yacht]

Oh right, notches. Forgot about those.
"What's the use in buying these? You can get these for free."

[unborn flicker]

Thanks for the text ideas. I'll give it some thought before I decide what to change for the next update

if that ever releases

[halcyon dome]

Is there a health bar mod?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[halcyon dome]

May I see it?

hey that's pretty cool thx

is there a readme for what each mod does?

[young walrus]

yes

and also this

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[ornate rivet]

reeee

fsm viewer crashes when I open it

ok I used stacktrace

and for some reason, it's searching for the wrong folder

It's looking at
'C:\Games\Hollow Knight\Steam\steamapps\libraryfolders.vdf'.
which doesn't exist

It should be looking at
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data

[rain cedar]

It looks like it reads from Software\Valve\Steam in your registry

To find the path

So fix your registry

[ornate rivet]

wtf why has this happened

[safe hamlet]

gradow stream

[solemn rivet]

sure

[safe hamlet]

[solemn rivet]

gimme like 15min

[pulsar stone]

What if I need the mod installer for mac?

[fair rampart]

**Mac**

Yes, mods can be installed on a mac.
You can use the installer
To run the installer:

1. Open the Terminal
2. Type cd $(dirname
3. Drag the exe onto the terminal.
4. Type ) then hit Return/Enter
5. Type mono --arch=32 (Note the space at the end)
6. Drag the exe onto the terminal and then hit Return/Enter

If this fails with bash: mono: command not found then

1. install mono here
2. Open a new terminal window
3. Type/paste in export PATH=/usr/local/bin:${PATH} and hit Return/Enter
4. Repeat steps 2-6 above.

[safe hamlet]

it's simple, don't use mac

[shy cloak]

Coding stream or Ori stream

[pulsar stone]

Also for the cd $(dirname part do we put in our name?

[solemn rivet]

no

[pulsar stone]

just the dirname

[solemn rivet]

just cd $(dirname

[pulsar stone]

Like that. I see.

Do we put a space before dragging the exe file in?

[solemn rivet]

try with and without

[young walrus]

Too much critical thinking gradow

Slow down

[pulsar stone]

Is there a video so I don't have to ask so many questions?

[solemn rivet]

sigh

[young walrus]

#archived-modding-help pins

[unborn flicker]

me 12 hours before the exam: it's ok, I know what a measure is, so everything else is trivial
me at the exam:

This is a prediction

[solemn rivet]

same

[unborn flicker]

Math classes without textbooks are a blight upon the world

[solemn rivet]

ok sid

the time is upon us

[pulsar stone]

What does the custom knight mod do?

[mystic horizon]

if possible, could anyone explain what no_claw means on the randomizer helper website? https://rainingchain.com/hollowknight/randomizer according to the site, I'm asking in the right place, so hopefully not bothering anyone. :p

[silk jetty]

#archived-modding-help exists but whatever, I can still help you here

it makes it so that mantis claw doesn't exist and certain spots have walls that you can walk up

[mystic horizon]

oh that's sick, thanks. and my bad on that part, it told me to specifically come to this channel for help, not modding-help (although the latter makes more sense)

[charred parrot]

frame specific motion

this is what makes KDT

the big KDT

[leaden hedge]

meters vs feet debate ended

I measure everything in DISTANCE

[jovial vault]

measure in KDT's

[mossy pike]

Kilodistances per Time

[solar jacinth]

wtf is that

i only have this

[jovial vault]

Hm

Give me a role officially titled moddings free art estate because that is all I am to you all now

[craggy bear]

hey guys

just bought hollow knight (again) on pc

what mods should i get

i already have lightbringer

is there any mod i also need?

and yes i am aware this is a frequently asked question so please dont hate me for it

[jovial vault]

You dont need other mods to play lightbringer

And you can try other mods, tho a few are a bit broken ngl

[floral furnace]

yeah infact its recommended to only play the major mods as is on their own since alot of them wont play nicely with each other, best case is they just dont interact with each other

[craggy bear]

what small but helpful mods do you recommend me?

is there a health showing mod

[jovial vault]

QoL and healthbar

[floral furnace]

there is

QoL is another good one

[craggy bear]

is there a mod that shows all the items in an area

whats qol

[floral furnace]

quality of life, adds alot of small changes

[craggy bear]

does it have the thing i want

the item area thing

also is there a checklist mod

sorry if i am asking too much

[urban olive]

checklist for randomizer?

theres a site that is very helpful

just look up hollow knight randomizer

[mossy pike]

the checklist is not up-to-date with the latest randomized items tho

[ornate rivet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/bz990j/im_a_successful_business_man_and_i_want_to_invest/

[fair rampart]

Do you know programming? Can you draw? Make music? Do you know what it is you want to bring to life? Starting a game from scratch will take a lot of time and patience. And you're gonna need people who have the same enthusiasm as you do.

Start small, make a quick game where your character can jump around a single space. Depending on the type of game, 2d, 3d first person and 3d third person, will all take their own form of work.

Download unreal engine 4, it's free and it has a ton of tools to use.

[jovial vault]

hey saleh

want to make a game

[ornate rivet]

yea

but you're making a game with lazy

[jovial vault]

ditch lazy

[solemn rivet]

@floral furnace dis u

[floral furnace]

imagine ill put an effort on actually learning how EU4 works omegalul

[solemn rivet]

I mean

u are both a deviate and a ttacco so

[floral furnace]

thats the inferior clone tho

he doesnt even have double Ts and Cs

[jovial vault]

tsk tsk

[solemn rivet]

cursed timeline

[safe hamlet]

ur a cursed timeline

[jovial vault]

nou

[solemn rivet]

I'll finish celeste tonight

I think

at least the a-sides

[floral furnace]

gradow e3

[solemn rivet]

what

[unborn flicker]

--me reading my notes on absolute continuity

[solemn rivet]

why watch e3 when I can read about how it sucked later?

[jovial vault]

this tbh

[unborn flicker]

actual excerpt from my notes:

bv->dfbae
Pf:
case 1: singular
case 2: ac
there was actually nothing to prove, obviously

I wish I could use professor strats for exam proofs, really

[solemn rivet]

same

I did once

did not go well

"this is trivial" got a big round fat 0

"I'll leave this proof as an exercise to the reader"

[safe hamlet]

“this is trivial” best way to prove anything

[unborn flicker]

idk, I got some insane partial credit on the midterm for correctly stating the definitions of a measurable function and a measurable set

9/10, even though I was supposed to prove the set was measurable and I wrote a union which was x-dependent

[solemn rivet]

nice

"measure this" - your teacher, probably

[hazy sentinel]

I left a proof to the reader in my final research paper

[solemn rivet]

how to assert dominance: start your proof with (sketch of proof:)

[unborn flicker]

start your proof with category diagram, tbh

[solemn rivet]

that's every proof ever

[fair rampart]

why would he post that on r/hollow knight

[fair rampart]

I get geo for for dying to NGG?

interesting

[silk jetty]

you get 1 geo for every 10 damage or something like that

[compact sedge]

well it's not like you can kill him

so you might as well get something out of it

[solemn rivet]

@trim totem I fucking called it

[trim totem]

called what

[solemn rivet]

Banjo

[trim totem]

oh okay

[solemn rivet]

I just got out of class and saw it

Ask me more stuff

We can make millions out of this

This is a talent I didn't know I had

So much power

So much responsibility

[halcyon dome]

NGG looks absolutely cancerous to play ngl

https://youtu.be/iaAgu9sexVE

@compact sedge this guy killed him lmao

[compact sedge]

I send a version that let grimm die

at some point

[weak lodge]

you know jngo is here right

[compact sedge]

but he won't in the one that is on the mod installer

[weak lodge]

pensive back to my 100 hour any% run

[leaden hedge]

whens darkmod ngg

[weak lodge]

when ngg3 comes out

knightmere work faster

fuckass

[compact sedge]

wait ur actually making ngg3?

wtf

why

[weak lodge]

ideas overflow myself

[compact sedge]

ideas are cheap

[leaden hedge]

its called NGG Anniversary Edition actually

[weak lodge]

but shouldnt anniversary edition be made by you

[leaden hedge]

it is

[weak lodge]

ok good

do i make ngg4 then

[leaden hedge]

NGG2 was already made, but unity is bad

make ur own boss

[compact sedge]

steal your own boss

[weak lodge]

@ minotaur#8805 sprites please

[leaden hedge]

im trademarking the word god

[weak lodge]

nightmare heart grimm

[fair rampart]

yes make it harder please

[leaden hedge]

you don't know what you ask for

[weak lodge]

you don't know what you ask for

[fair rampart]

harder daddy

[astral veldt]

E

[pulsar stone]

The debug mod always crashes my game.

[young walrus]

Install correct version. Verify game integrity first

[safe hamlet]

kuro did NGG hitless

[solemn rivet]

sid, stream?

[pulsar stone]

I'm using the mono32 mod loader

[solemn rivet]

shouldn't matter

which version of the game do you have?

[pulsar stone]

The latest one

[solemn rivet]

which number?

[pulsar stone]

How do I view that?

[solemn rivet]

run the game

check lower left

[pulsar stone]

1.4.3.2

[solemn rivet]

hmmm

let's move to -help

[ornate rivet]

lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/bzqmkw/vent_why_the_fuck_do_some_fans_of_this_game_think/

[floral furnace]

[ornate rivet]

best part is that the guy spent 3 days in #hk-discussion knowing it had unlimited spoilers

[floral furnace]

oh you remember him?

[ornate rivet]

Zaliant did

[hazy sentinel]

imagine posting in hk subreddit

[floral furnace]

this tbh no wait i do it anyway carry on saleh

[young walrus]

[solemn rivet]

on one hand people shouldn't spoil just to be mean, on the other hand, people that don't want spoilers shouldn't venture into spoiler-enabled channels...

hmmm

verdict: ban everyone

and I mean, everyone

[young walrus]

[ornate rivet]

agreed

[jovial vault]

finally

[solemn rivet]

mino help me find the other crystals

why didn't you help me then

[jovial vault]

too focused on ludonarrative dissonance

tbh i think i just forgot when the fifth section's crystal was for a hot second

[solemn rivet]

[jovial vault]

sleep deprivation nice

[solemn rivet]

we should make a podcast where we discuss media/games and play badly in the background

we could become yt famous

[jovial vault]

this tbh

[floral furnace]

just make sure to have a fake enthusiastic and excited personality and you overreact to everything

[jovial vault]

nice rebranding ttacco boy

[unborn flicker]

we should make a podcast where we discuss homology and compute groups badly in the background

preferably in the next 7 hours 😤

[solemn rivet]

👀

[unborn flicker]

sry, I'm booked for the afternoon

[trim totem]

make a math podcast

[jovial vault]

no one but math majors will have a vague idea of what they're talking about

[trim totem]

yes

[solemn rivet]

yes

[craggy bear]

ay guys i fixed the mod problem i had

[jaunty garden]

what is ngg2 or ngg3? I saw you guys have discussed for a while

[copper nacelle]

mod kdt is making

[jaunty garden]

ok, i see.

[trim totem]

is the second phase going to be not horrible

[copper nacelle]

yes

[leaden hedge]

phase 420 will be the bad one

[fresh cipher]

Hasn't NGG been only done by like 5 people

@halcyon dome

[compact sedge]

yeah but it's not too bad

just annoying

is what the people who have done it have said

graig thinks all bindings panth 5 is harder than NGG and he's almost certainly right

esp pre collector nerf

hell collector alone all bindings is probably worse than NGG

[leaden hedge]

ye cause they cheese the hardest sections

and its still a "think" its harder

its ok ngg1 is only 1% of my power though

ngg:ae won't be limited by nkgs moveset

[solemn rivet]

[compact sedge]

ok but question

will it actually be fun

[fair rampart]

sweeping fire pillar

[leaden hedge]

people enjoy ngg1 besides final phase

it won't have any unavoidable spam stuff

but it should be harder than ngg1 on average

[safe hamlet]

ngg: after effects? :^)

[jovial vault]

sigh

[trim totem]

that's fine

rng bs is the only problem i would ever have with a modded boss

unless it's like

stupid amounts of health

[leaden hedge]

i mean it might have a stupid amount of hp

considering I'm planning on over 18phases

[solemn rivet]

I think that's 17 too many phases ngl

[leaden hedge]

well I think it'll actually end up being 40 in total
ngg > miniboss > ngg +1 > miniboss > ngg +2 > .... > ngg +18 > ngg + 18 > ngg +18 > ngg + 18

and thats only if I'm too lazy to draw sprites

[solemn rivet]

[leaden hedge]

also no healing or charms

I learnt my lesson with ngg1

[fair rampart]

Can you disable spells too

[leaden hedge]

im just going to disable soul gain

[fresh cipher]

the concept I have of a modded Radiance is to make it as painful and precise as possible

[leaden hedge]

just do darkmod radiance

[fresh cipher]

what's that

[leaden hedge]

darkmod makes everyroom as if it was maximum dark + you don't have lantern

so you can see a circle about the size of the knight around you

[fresh cipher]

eh i have worse

[leaden hedge]

i mean thats basically impossible

theres so much fast moving, no cue stuff in radiance

[fresh cipher]

wouldn't darkmod make PV impossible too

[leaden hedge]

well I mean you could install flukenest 144 damage patch

[fresh cipher]

Pffft

[leaden hedge]

I dunno, I only did darkmod on Lifeblood

and I beat everyother boss except radiance

[copper nacelle]

pv should be possible

you'd just prejump like nkg

[solemn rivet]

When did 56 become a Chad

[leaden hedge]

just prejump silksong release date

[novel patio]

Hi, Sorry if im blind but is there actually a more or less archivised section of the mods that were posted here? because i just cant find anything. sorry for the stupid question

[leaden hedge]

theres a drive with most mods

with versions if you look at file history

[novel patio]

would you mind linking it? couldnt find it thus far, id be grateful.

[leaden hedge]

its like the 6th pin in this channel

[novel patio]

ah okay, ty

[ornate rivet]

So you know the problem I was having with nes's fsm viewer? Opening Steam fixed it for some reason

[solar jacinth]

only if i had steam

itd work

[compact sedge]

18 phases

it'd better have a practice mode at that point

[safe hamlet]

18 phases weak

[flat forum]

HKWORLD EDIT

IS OUT??

[jovial vault]

Yeap

Papers when did you do hk modding smh

My secret alt

[weak lodge]

we just cant make new rooms

afaik anyway

[jovial vault]

Those god damn room transitions

[flat forum]

Knight

Knight I get to make my stupendously difficult White Palace now

UPGRADE THE WHOLE-ASS WHITE PALACE INTO POP

KNIGHTMERE YOU HEAR THAT?!

COME HELP ME OUT

[weak lodge]

what?

a longer pop would be fun

pop x wp sounds amazing actually

[flat forum]

upgrade the normal WP

into being as difficult as PoP

[weak lodge]

yes thats what i mean

sounds fun

[jovial vault]

Will it be as good as celeste

[weak lodge]

no better cause combat integration

[flat forum]

I will

do this the coming weekend

and maybe the summer

also, Gradow mentioned that, uh

knowledge of game code's gotten better since I was last here

[flat forum]

also, is NGG2 cancelled

[jovial vault]

It is now NGG: anniversary edition with 18 phases

[flat forum]

fuck

[nimble lake]

what's the name of the mod that automatically creates switch saves?

[copper nacelle]

what

[nimble lake]

nvm

[unborn flicker]

Ok, I think everything works correctly now, so I made a new repository:
https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.AreaRandomizer

[trim totem]

👀

is this an actual release

[unborn flicker]

of course not

unless you build this and the new api and seanprcore manually

[trim totem]

56 help

[rain cedar]

GPL 2 🤔

[unborn flicker]

did I fuck up?

[rain cedar]

Slightly but not really

[unborn flicker]

mashing through text boxes too strong

[rain cedar]

GPL 2 is just outdated

The most important difference from GPL 2 to 3 imo is the added DRM clause

Basically makes DRM enforcement against the license

[unborn flicker]

ah, interesting

[unborn flicker]

How far are we from the api update going live?

I'm wondering if I should post instructions for how to install it manually, so people will stop asking me for the next rando update

[rain cedar]

I don't have any more changes planned

Should be ready unless you've seen something obviously wrong

[unborn flicker]

I haven't had any issues in my testing so far

using debug/qol/benchwarp/rando

oh, the tracker mod crashes occasionally for me, but idk if that's api related

[rain cedar]

The tracker hasn't had proper development for like a year now

It's to be expected, I think

[unborn flicker]

That was my impression

[unborn flicker]

Posted to drive. Now to go out of town and turn off Discord notifications for the next week

[unborn flicker]

Apparently more saves breaks the mod menu on api 51

[copper nacelle]

[copper nacelle]

[safe hamlet]

56 has ascended

[jovial vault]

well then

[brazen mortar]

burn it

[flat forum]

yES

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[copper nacelle]

what

[solemn rivet]

ok so

area rando crashes for me

it crashes after the loading bar

I have api 51 and seanprcore

game loads fine without the mod

[flat forum]

Gradoooowwww

also I love that both of you are cats

[rain cedar]

cat

[copper nacelle]

Clear your registry

I had the same thing

@solemn rivet

[trim totem]

56 watch

[solemn rivet]

still crashes

[rain cedar]

The error is that it can't find a dependency, right?

We could hook onto AppDomain.AssemblyResolve in API

At least have proper logging for when something is missing

[safe hamlet]

doesn't seem dependency related at all

like the C# dependency

[safe hamlet]

o

guess that could work

[copper nacelle]

it's an event though

[rain cedar]

yes

[copper nacelle]

wouldn't it still die violently

[rain cedar]

The hope is it calls the event before dying violently

[copper nacelle]

ah

[rain cedar]

So we can log meaningful stuff

[copper nacelle]

there's also AppDomain.DoAssemblyResolve

[rain cedar]

What's the difference?

[copper nacelle]

DoAssemblyResolve raises AssemblyResolve

[safe hamlet]

what's wrong with assemblyresolve tho

[copper nacelle]

Idk this isn't exactly fantastic detailed output

[safe hamlet]

cursed

[rain cedar]

But you didn't even log anything

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[rain cedar]

Log args.Name or something

[copper nacelle]

No I mean

to Sid

oh

I misunderstood that

[safe hamlet]

i am confused

[rain cedar]

Me too

DoAssemblyResolve does not exist

[copper nacelle]

[rain cedar]

Oh it's private

[safe hamlet]

[rain cedar]

But yeah just something like

AppDomain.CurrentDomain.AssemblyResolve += (sender, args) =>
{
     Logger.Log($"[API] - Missing dependency '${args.Name}'");
     return null;
}```

Or actually search for it instead of null if we're not lazy

[safe hamlet]

56, did clearing the registry fix it for you?

[copper nacelle]

Mine was a different crash

Access violation within itself

[safe hamlet]

ah

[copper nacelle]

i assumed

because i was on mobile

[copper nacelle]

and output_log opens to gdocs

and that's a pain

[safe hamlet]

understandable

[rain cedar]

Does this mean the name isn't fully qualified?

Idk what it means

Kinda useless if it's not the full name

[copper nacelle]

I don't think so

The example for the event shows a fully qualified name as the param

[safe hamlet]

yea, i got a full name when i was debugging something with resolve

or at least used it to find an assembly

[copper nacelle]

Do I just test this by trying to load garbage

[safe hamlet]

idk how easy it is to replicate it

loading garbage does seem to be the way to go tho

[copper nacelle]

Trying to change the save dir path murders the mods menu

for qol

idk why

with the new api

literally just this

Works

[safe hamlet]

o you were testing the name

i thought you were trying to re-create the error

[copper nacelle]

idk where to start with that

installing area rando didn't murder it

[safe hamlet]

it's weird that it works for most people

khan and i installed it just fine too

[copper nacelle]

I can ask gradow to try this api build when he exists again

[safe hamlet]

what did you change

[copper nacelle]

just added the logging

Then we can see what it fails to find

[safe hamlet]

yea sounds good

[copper nacelle]

help nothing makes sense

[safe hamlet]

also the mods screen was broken when i last built it too which 5/31/19

[copper nacelle]

[INFO]:DesktopPlatform
[ERROR]:System.MissingFieldException: Field saveDirPath does not exist!
  at Modding.ReflectionHelper.SetAttr[Platform,String] (.Platform obj, System.String name, System.String value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at ModCommon.Util.ReflectionExtensions.SetAttr[Platform,String] (.Platform obj, System.String name, System.String val) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at ModSaveDirectory.ModSaveDirectory.Initialize () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

what

[safe hamlet]

that's a thonker

[copper nacelle]

Oh I know

Generics

It checks for the field on Platform because Platform.Current returns Platform

[safe hamlet]

[copper nacelle]

Yeah this fixed it

It's because of the IL gen

It generates the IL to get the field parented to the type given by the generic

if the generic inferred type isn't specific enough it'll be parented to a superclass and not be able to access the subclass's field

And you can't force the generic type w/out the cast because that's unsafe

[safe hamlet]

i see

[copper nacelle]

and that fixes the mod menu

I just need to recompile the mod I guess

and that'd probably fix MoreSaves eating the menu

[safe hamlet]

nice

[copper nacelle]

yup

wonderful

better than having to actually troubleshoot it ig

[safe hamlet]

i added trail to marmu

[copper nacelle]

[flat forum]

why

[copper nacelle]

i swear i rebuilt moresaves

[flat forum]

why

[copper nacelle]

but it has the same shasum

[flat forum]

btw

56

[copper nacelle]

it even has a different modified date

[flat forum]

has modding improved since last time I was here

[safe hamlet]

[copper nacelle]

probably

[flat forum]

Gradow mentioned that more stuff is now better understood

[safe hamlet]

PS is fun to play around, honestly more fun than trying to read HK's fsm

also btw 56, the first trail you had for LL, did you do it using noise?

the white one

[copper nacelle]

I had noise on yeah

I still have noise on

it looks cool™

[safe hamlet]

ye

[copper nacelle]

Does explorer die if you have too many files

it won't sort my downloads folder anymore

it only stops working in the file selection window

incredible

[safe hamlet]

rip

wouldn't be surprised honestly

[copper nacelle]

why are you reacting cecil

it's a good library

[safe hamlet]

mono

and good

:nowant:

[gilded lotus]

didnt know what it was, figured by reacting to it you'd say something about it

[copper nacelle]

understandable

You can use it to modify IL

MonoMod uses it

[gilded lotus]

MonoMod in her library

[safe hamlet]

ye i have used Mono.Cecil before modding, i forgot where tho

somewhere in my bot i think

[copper nacelle]

The Prepatcher uses it

To swap all the PlayerData var access to the method which you can hook

[safe hamlet]

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2018/03/28/updated-scripting-runtime-in-unity-2018-1-what-does-the-future-hold/ C# 7 with unity will be blessed tho

cancerous embed

[copper nacelle]

yes

to both things

[safe hamlet]

tasks

[copper nacelle]

.net 4 or .net standard 2 will both be great

I tried modding in f# once

you have to use an older version of FSharp.Core

[safe hamlet]

did it work?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[safe hamlet]

noice

[copper nacelle]

I tried doing 4 shields with markoth

[safe hamlet]

o yea you showed me some snippets in F# when i first joined

[copper nacelle]

yeah

f# is pretty cool

the tooling sucks though

[safe hamlet]

i want to try it at some point

[flat forum]

F# good?

[safe hamlet]

F# very good

[flat forum]

Gb better tbh

[safe hamlet]

smh my head

[flat forum]

shush u