archived-modding-development

[solemn rivet]

you can choose what to randomize

[unborn flicker]

No that's been in for a while now

[honest walrus]

to make it easier to torment your friends

[unborn flicker]

The problem with the current randomization is that it only places progression items which unlock new locations

In other words, Nailmaster's Glory can never receive an item in the logic chain, because the randomizer never places all three nail arts in the first stage

[shy cloak]

Oh I see

[solemn rivet]

oic

[shy cloak]

Because it places the progression first

[unborn flicker]

And there are a lot more issues with the new items being randomized

[solemn rivet]

so you'll never get it

[unborn flicker]

They have more combined pathways like that one

[shy cloak]

okay that makes sense

[silk jetty]

lmao just force sean to update rando 2 to be your version

[unborn flicker]

I mean, there are good reasons not to overwrite rando 2 just yet

[shy cloak]

no force- request him to pull your finger fork

[unborn flicker]

But it might be good at some point to have a more "public" beta of my randomizer

Right now, I'm still constantly making a lot of changes though

[solemn rivet]

@fair rampart ok, so you'll need to take a look at some other existing mods

do you have dnspy?

currently, mods work like this:

[fair rampart]

what is dnspy

[solemn rivet]

the API is a modified assembly of the vanilla game that can loads dlls contained in the Mods folder

dnspy allows you to decompile dlls

you can use it to read the game's code

[fair rampart]

okay

[shy cloak]

Step 2 is - Fill accessible locations randomly until only one is left. Will that constantly update the list of reachables after every place? Because I assume you want to minimize a separate between special "progression" items and others in order to ensure maximum "randomness". So then step 3 is the last resort, if there's only 1 location left?

Or is step 2 using only non-progress items?

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, it would constantly update accessible

[fair rampart]

when I modify the code where will the new dll be at my desktop or in a folder

[honest walrus]

@unborn flicker is getting it to be less biased towards early areas for the progression items on the list of plans? or is that just a side effect of charm density in early areas >_<

[solemn rivet]

well you won't modify the game's code

you'll only use dnspy to figure out the game's internal methods and classes

[sweet birch]

Can you swap nail art locations w/charms?

[solemn rivet]

and then you'll write your own mod from scratch

[unborn flicker]

We'll see. It already has a lot of protocols to incentivize late game progression

[fair rampart]

ooh so like addition

[honest walrus]

ill just blame it on the game being to easy to finish in "any%" mode then

[unborn flicker]

Here's the method I proposed earlier, for those who don't want to scroll up

So I guess I'm thinking of this as a potential randomization method:

• Place all geo pickups, to prevent these from ending up in shops
• Fill accessible locations randomly until only one is left. Update accessible list with each placement.
• Get list of progression items which unlock new locations
  --- If the list is nonempty, choose one to force into the remaining location
  --- If the list is empty and there are no more locations, place remaining items into shops
  --- If the list is empty and there are more locations, try placing progression items into shops. If too many are placed there, get new seed and restart (the cases where this happens should be rare)

[shy cloak]

epicname, are you familiar with coding at all?

[fair rampart]

yes but not modding

[solemn rivet]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods

[jovial vault]

api docs updated when

[shy cloak]

okay that's good 😃 Check out a few of the githubs for examples. I might be biased, but an easy one is RandoMapMod; there's not a lot to it. https://github.com/CaptainDapper/HollowKnight.RandoMapMod

not the cleanest code but it gets the job done

It even has bugs!

[sweet birch]

Why are you called capn crinklepants

do you wear diapers

[shy cloak]

LUL was my old name until I realized that's what it sounded like

[weak lodge]

the state of #archived-modding-development

[copper nacelle]

why are you called Alex the albino wolf

Do you pee in the woods?

[jovial vault]

the duality of modding: shitposting and serious programming talk at the same time

[sweet birch]

LOL

[jovial vault]

56 don't you?

[honest walrus]

serious programming talk? im only here to nag KDT and get help on random issues :^)

[weak lodge]

no i take pisses at myself everytime i have the opportunity to though

[jovial vault]

this tbh

nagging KDT is a noble cause

[safe hamlet]

where's saleh

[jovial vault]

literally dming me right now

[safe hamlet]

he is tryna not release PC again

[honest walrus]

someone mentioned these magical finite state machines, and i got scared and ran off

[jovial vault]

@ornate rivet holy shit

[safe hamlet]

smh, stop sliding into people' dms

just slide into #archived-modding-development instead

[ornate rivet]

[shy cloak]

Oh look at that!! I can change my github name. WELP all my links are broken now

[safe hamlet]

how's the progress saleh

[jovial vault]

literally a minute ago

[weak lodge]

suggestion saleh:

[ornate rivet]

smh

[safe hamlet]

lol

[jovial vault]

correct

[honest walrus]

i would nagg other people than KDT, but they are the only person i know here D:

[weak lodge]

make pale champion dive kick

[safe hamlet]

nagg 56

[jovial vault]

^

[weak lodge]

nagg 56

[brazen mortar]

Give pale champion firebats

[honest walrus]

who is this 56, and where do i send my nagquests

[safe hamlet]

@copper nacelle

[jovial vault]

pale champions animator will have to draw that mola

[shy cloak]

Should we make a #archived-modding-development-offtopic channel

[weak lodge]

56 is basically depressed modding god

[safe hamlet]

^

[jovial vault]

modding is offtopic

[safe hamlet]

basically

[brazen mortar]

Nah who even needs animation

Just have it spawn out of her idle animation

[unborn flicker]

We should have ?rank modder

[weak lodge]

no if you call it offtopic then this will become as cancerous as modding

oh wait

[jovial vault]

oh no

[unborn flicker]

and then seal modding from the outside

[jovial vault]

we're all trapped here

no one gets in or out

[safe hamlet]

how are you adding reactions so quickly?

[weak lodge]

yes we'll have to kill eachother 😻

[unborn flicker]

That's the only way I can think of to possibly get people to use #archived-modding-help

[solemn rivet]

I need help

[honest walrus]

not sure if im crazy enough to mod this game, honestly, finite state machines and all

[weak lodge]

its not that bad of an idea

[jovial vault]

what's up gradow?

[safe hamlet]

infinite state machines when

[ornate rivet]

just delete the FSMs

[jovial vault]

sid.

[safe hamlet]

^

[honest walrus]

i can just delete the FSMs?

[copper nacelle]

nagging me

[safe hamlet]

yes

you can add your own behaviour

[jovial vault]

we need to get someone to rewrite hk for $7.53

[solemn rivet]

so in order to make the Poorly Translated HK mod, I need to pass all dialogue of the game through a chain of google translates and back to english

[shy cloak]

modding-help should be how-to-add-mods

[safe hamlet]

if you are good with unity™

[shy cloak]

modding should be mod-making

[solemn rivet]

I tried google for some tools to do that, but was unsuccessful

[honest walrus]

did you take your time to look into my friends issue 56? :p

[copper nacelle]

If you feel like rewriting everything you touch

Not yet

[jovial vault]

gradow as a potential linguistics student this hurts my soul

[copper nacelle]

I got home like 10 minutes ago

[unborn flicker]

But what about modding-ideas

[solemn rivet]

that's the idea, mino

[jovial vault]

also gradow: i dont have time for hk modding

[solemn rivet]

it's hilarious

[weak lodge]

modding idea

[shy cloak]

yeah modding could be separated lots and lots

[ornate rivet]

modding idea

[honest walrus]

just thinking about getting assets into this game scares me though <_>

[solemn rivet]

so

[jovial vault]

give modding twice the channels speedrunning has

[solemn rivet]

can anyone help?

[honest walrus]

do i look like an artist?

[safe hamlet]

google translate?

[weak lodge]

what if we move modding to speedrunning and force people to get speedrunner role before typing in modding

[safe hamlet]

you planning to scrape?

[solemn rivet]

does anyone have any idea how I can accomplish that?

[shy cloak]

modding-development, modding-ideas, modding-beginner, modding-requests

[jovial vault]

for what? a shitty translator?

[honest walrus]

... oh wait, my profile picture has my drawing, i guess i do D:

[unborn flicker]

Sorry, we're full meta right now, try another channel Gradow

[jovial vault]

modding-artist 😔

[safe hamlet]

just use a free translator api

[solemn rivet]

aside from the obvious manual labor

[copper nacelle]

There's a site for it

Which throws it through like 50 of them

[shy cloak]

@solemn rivet https://cloud.google.com/translate/docs/

[solemn rivet]

I couldn't find one that works 56

[copper nacelle]

Then what you just got linked

Should just be a few rest requests

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[safe hamlet]

o wait a chain of google translate 😓

[solemn rivet]

that sounds promising

ty dapper!

[brazen mortar]

#archived-modding-development-requests when?

[shy cloak]

holy shit i was being snarky

"besides the manual labor" and I sent him to use an API

[solemn rivet]

well mola, you know how well people here react to requests

but that's mostly what I was thinking of, dapper

make a list of like 50 languages and randomly select like 20 of them for each piece of dialogue

[brazen mortar]

Exactly you all are so enamoured by the idea of working on someone else’s idea for no reward

[solemn rivet]

and chain translate it

[safe hamlet]

is that free tho

[solemn rivet]

wdym sid

[shy cloak]

well okay that's fair

[safe hamlet]

google cloud features aren't usually free

[shy cloak]

yeah google apis are free until you have like 200,000 requests a month usually

[safe hamlet]

ah

i see

[solemn rivet]

also, I don't want to run it on-the-fly, btw

[shy cloak]

the limits depend on the API too

[solemn rivet]

I could, but that would be way too cumbersome

I'll just hardcode each translation

[shy cloak]

Google's pretty damn generous; even as a webdev in a company with 400 to 500 websites, I don't think we ever had to pay google

well not for APIs. ads and seo was a different thing

okay so back to rando2.5, homothety, what kinds of protocols incentivize late game funtimes?

[unborn flicker]

In the current version?

[safe hamlet]

azure services aren’t mad either

[solemn rivet]

it's that simple

I can't believe this

[shy cloak]

i'm not sure, you just mentioned there was stuff in place to incentivize etc

[safe hamlet]

i use the facial recognition from azure for my bot

[shy cloak]

holy shit gradow that's way simpler than I imagined

[unborn flicker]

New locations are added to the list [randomizationdepth] times

[copper nacelle]

@honest walrus has he tried toggling the native controller input thing in-game

[shy cloak]

I am an accidental badass

[unborn flicker]

Or maybe [randomizationdepth]^2, I don't remember

[honest walrus]

maybe i should look into modding this game after all, as long as no FSM sneak their way in D:

@copper nacelle ... forgot that option existed, ill give them a poke

[copper nacelle]

nice

[unborn flicker]

That's rando 2 though, I don't know how one would do it with the method I proposed above

Other than perhaps weighting claw, wings, etc to be less likely to be forced

[solemn rivet]

python is even simpler

[shy cloak]

ew python

where are my semicolons

[copper nacelle]

ngl that looks to be the same complexity

[honest walrus]

unnamed format groups? are you mad

[safe hamlet]

yea^^

[honest walrus]

.format(**locals()) is where its at

[shy cloak]

how is that simpler i can't even read it

[copper nacelle]

not using f-strings

locals() I sleep

import stack

I awaken

Discord.py used to steal local vars from up the stack

Cursed

[shy cloak]

not sure i like weighting the items

[honest walrus]

honestly though, python format strings are amazing

[shy cloak]

i wish there was more go-mode items in HK tho. dream nail and (isma|c-dash) is so small

[solemn rivet]

okay, I'll give it a shot later tonight, when I have some free time

ty again Dapper

[ornate rivet]

How long would running every single sprite in the game through a filter take?

[weak lodge]

python format strings arnt as good as playmaker fsm

[shy cloak]

No problem 😃

[honest walrus]

@shy cloak isnt it DN && (isma | CH | shadecloak)? >_<

[shy cloak]

i assume quite awhile saleh lol

Is it really? I've always heard isma | CH; you might be right though!

[unborn flicker]

Well, the best way to fix that is what we're doing right now. Allowing more paths to get out of Crossroads, and delaying when you get vertical movement, without weights

[copper nacelle]

with shadecloak you can't get to monomon

[honest walrus]

you can do uumuu with shade cloak

[copper nacelle]

you can get into teachers archive

[honest walrus]

oh, right

[unborn flicker]

well, 56...

[shy cloak]

Right that was easy

[copper nacelle]

you can do shade cloak + sharp shadow + djump

[honest walrus]

you need CH or Isma to survive to get over to the dreamer

[solemn rivet]

no you don't

just VS/SS

but that's a very hard skip

[shy cloak]

see that's still dumb

[copper nacelle]

u

[honest walrus]

... i forget VS skips exist

[shy cloak]

the only reason CH | isma is because of a single dreamer

[honest walrus]

i dont do them in my Any% runs, therefor they dont exist

[shy cloak]

Oh I forgot claws too

DN + Claws + (CH | Isma)

[copper nacelle]

Ah I found it

The cursed code

[honest walrus]

excuse me, they are hard, okay

[copper nacelle]

def _get_variable(name):
    stack = inspect.stack()
    try:
        for frames in stack:
            try:
                frame = frames[0]
                current_locals = frame.f_locals
                if name in current_locals:
                    return current_locals[name]
            finally:
                del frame
    finally:
        del stack

they're fine

[honest walrus]

@copper nacelle they arent seeing the option... is it windows only?

[solemn rivet]

u guys talking about the teacher?

[copper nacelle]

Shouldn't be afaik

[shy cloak]

We should impose a King's Brand requirement on Beast's Den

[copper nacelle]

It's just under controller iirc

[unborn flicker]

Nah, it's fine with low finish requirements

[shy cloak]

at least then there'd be an item for each dreamer

[unborn flicker]

because Isma and CH tend to be quite late anyways

[honest walrus]

Options -> Controller is what i told them, this is my options for it

[shy cloak]

i'm not even sure if that's what frustrates me

[copper nacelle]

yeah that's what it should be

[shy cloak]

LttP and SM are balanced so well between go-mode count and locations count

[unborn flicker]

SM has ridiculously low requirements to finish though

[shy cloak]

by complete accident too

Yeah but it also has less than 100 checks

[honest walrus]

is what they are getting

[shy cloak]

and relatively small map compared to HK

[copper nacelle]

unfortunate

[silk jetty]

ngl I should probably finish my alttp sm combo rando

[unborn flicker]

I mean, you want SM style rando, then you can do skills+keys in my version

[silk jetty]

but I dont really want to figure out where I can go

[shy cloak]

maybe I am just rose-colored glasses my SMZ3 runs

[unborn flicker]

and it will be very similar to what you say you prefer

[silk jetty]

because I'm not really that good at sm

[shy cloak]

hope you chose casual logic LUL

[silk jetty]

I did

[shy cloak]

tewtal's a bastard with his logic

[silk jetty]

but I'm just really bad lmao

and I mean I at least know how to wall jump

even if I'm not that good at it

[shy cloak]

well i'll be back later. keep up the good modding everyone!

except you 003, you suck

jk

[solemn rivet]

poor sid

[honest walrus]

@copper nacelle thanks for the help though, i think they somewhat got it resolved through some haunted arcane magic? ... i dont know honestly

i dont even question it, honestly

[copper nacelle]

very nice

[silk jetty]

I really like the charmoverhaul readme lmao

[copper nacelle]

it's actually rtf

no idea why it's labeled as md

[silk jetty]

ah okay

so it's the wrong file type for me

[weak lodge]

real time filter

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[weak lodge]

saleh where is your trademarked gif

[young walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431954544419667971/578358472064630784/hotdogdog.gif

[copper nacelle]

this ain't it

[ornate rivet]

it's only used in proper situations

[copper nacelle]

extern

[safe hamlet]

:x5fiftEch:

[ornate rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384146478354137091/551730478227521537/unknown.png

[safe hamlet]

cursed image

[weak lodge]

stop showing irl pictures of me it hurts

[safe hamlet]

can't stop till you release the mod

[weak lodge]

urite

dont ever stop

yes

saleh re link it

[ornate rivet]

internet stopped working randomly

[jovial vault]

unfortunate

saleh will never release pale champion

[weak lodge]

in time

™

[jovial vault]

cant release pale champion if i hold animations hostage

29th here i come

[honest walrus]

@copper nacelle got some updated information

- steam driver unmodded: I can use it to navigate the menu but it isn't recognized as a controller so I can use it in desktop mode emulating keyboard presses basically
- generic driver unmodded: works just fine
- steam driver modded: crash
- generic driver modded: either recognized as controller, but inputs not working, or crash if you connect it while the game is running
``` the controller is a switch procontroller, used as bluetooth for generic driver and wired for steam driver

apparently it was only somewhat working... until it wasnt >_<

[copper nacelle]

could use the generic driver

and i'll just re-compile the api real fast

[honest walrus]

updated the updated information >_<

i too like being some weird middle part entity in this conversation :p

[frank pilot]

Imagine if the person having this issue could just get an invite link to this server to report it themselves

Now that'd be way too easy

[copper nacelle]

very nice

[silk jetty]

question, whats the strat for killing elder baldurs with cyclone slash

[honest walrus]

@frank pilot yea, maybe i should send them one

just hide incase KDT swoops in D:

[copper nacelle]

[frank pilot]

oh look, the random white bar turned into a loading screen

oh look, generic input driver is working

[copper nacelle]

yeet skeet

the linux assembly is different in like one file

[frank pilot]

Steam controller is still not supported, but if I close steam and force it to use the generic driver it seems to work

The switch pro controller has terrible calibration issues on linux with the generic driver but that's not a problem for you to deal with :P

thank you very much

[copper nacelle]

[honest walrus]

yea, thanks for the help 56

now i know you are the right person to nag, and not KDT

[frank pilot]

Fun fact: on linux you can literally just delete the libsteam_api.so to get hollow knight to run with steam closed

[copper nacelle]

Incredible

This is the changed file btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/557700773333696553/unknown.png

[silk jetty]

gg, I just did cyclone slash elder baldur for steady body

[frank pilot]

That explains why it no longer crashes with the steam controller, it just fails to recognize it, I guess what I could do is make an action set for HK and basically use it emulating a keyboard

[unborn flicker]

real #archived-modding-development discussion

[frank pilot]

That would resolve my calibration issues at least, since steam's drivers are a lot better

HK doesn't need analogue sticks so that should work just fine...

Thanks anyways, I can get this to work now

I hope

[silk jetty]

lmao imagine not using kbm

[frank pilot]

I'm sorry, my fingers are currently dead from bouldering

[copper nacelle]

no linux example

runtime platform has linuxplayer

easy

[leaden hedge]

lmao imagine playing hollow knight in 2019

[mellow elbow]

well it's not like silksong can be played yet

[jovial vault]

yet

[leaden hedge]

Ye but you could play literally anything else, like lying in bed for 12hrs a day

[jovial vault]

get a switch

[leaden hedge]

I have a switch 🤔

[copper nacelle]

get another one

[mellow elbow]

wait, there are other games than hk?

[solemn rivet]

get me a switch then

[ornate rivet]

get me sekiro then

[solemn rivet]

same

[safe hamlet]

does save settings save the data in the save file?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

Pog

orig copies attributes

I can actually fix linux support

wait i'm bad

can't use orig

Otherwise when you build with the other dll set it'll be fucked

copy paste time

[copper nacelle]

@frank pilot Could you try this by any chance

[frank pilot]

@copper nacelle with steam controller support?

[copper nacelle]

no it's just the same as before

[frank pilot]

o

[copper nacelle]

but this makes it so the api just has one build

instead of having to build with both dlls and having two output dlls

[solemn rivet]

does this unbreak controllers on windows

[copper nacelle]

no

[solemn rivet]

h

[copper nacelle]

i don't know why windows controllers don't work

[solemn rivet]

neither do I

[copper nacelle]

if i did i would've fixed it

[solemn rivet]

same tbh

I diff'd the api and the vanilla assembly

and from what I could tell, the only added things were on. and the modding namespace

and IL.

[frank pilot]

nope

it crashes

[copper nacelle]

uhh

[frank pilot]

same stacktrace as before

[copper nacelle]

and that wasn't happening with the old new dll right

[frank pilot]

aye

[copper nacelle]

they're all just this now

cursed

[frank pilot]

uuuh

now it is also crashing with the old new one

[copper nacelle]

[frank pilot]

actually unmodded is crashing too now

o k a y t h e n

[copper nacelle]

that's fucked

ok.png

[frank pilot]

oh

I guess I know the difference

let me try this

yup

ok trying the new version again

[copper nacelle]

pog

[frank pilot]

works

Ok so

If you connect the switch pro controller via bluetooth it gets recognized as a generic controller

if you have steam running steam recognizes it as a switch pro controller and uses its own driver (which HK doesn't recognize but I can make steam emulate keyboard input to test it)

but if you wire the controller up to your computer, the generic driver does not recognize it, steam however still does

HK crashes with a wired up pro controller and steam running

it works with it hooked up via bluetooth now

(as in, the generic driver works, and steam controller in keyboard emulation)

[copper nacelle]

cool

wired not working is weird

[frank pilot]

actually

yup

@copper nacelle new version works with steam driver and keyboard emulation, but does not work with generic driver

old new version worked with both

[copper nacelle]

cursed

[frank pilot]

(all of that bluetooth only)

[copper nacelle]

ah

i've found it

[frank pilot]

is there maybe a hardcoded list of gamepads or something?

and the wired version has a different ID to the bluetooth one?

I wouldn't know

one of them crashes, the other one just isn't recognized

[copper nacelle]

incontrol has something like that i think

https://github.com/pbhogan/InControl/tree/master/Assets/InControl/Source/Unity/DeviceProfiles

[frank pilot]

yea no switch pro controller support then

[copper nacelle]

Other than Native linux dll is just better

So I guess we can just build with that

Because I fixed InControl.Native

to not be different across builds

[frank pilot]

looks like the new version on the unity asset store supports the switch pro controller

but the one HK is using does not

[copper nacelle]

unfortunate

xinput appears to be open source

so i could get the dll

and then merge it in while building

and then fix SetupInternal and Utility so both OSs can build

[jovial vault]

pc update

@ornate rivet you gotta finish pc now

[ornate rivet]

[jovial vault]

[ornate rivet]

what's the random black spot that appears on the thing she wears

[copper nacelle]

D:

[solar jacinth]

😔

[ornate rivet]

It's ok, I would be sad if That Mothe Boi wanted to fuck me too

[dusky lion]

[silk jetty]

is there any way to get to ismas without mantis claw or ismas?

[solar jacinth]

isams

[silk jetty]

because if not then the rando tracker is lying to me

[jovial vault]

Its her arm. Try looking at the animation agsinst discord light theme @ornate rivet

[solar jacinth]

pale champion when

[jovial vault]

Soon

[solar jacinth]

tm

[jovial vault]

Four more anims

[solemn basin]

Sometime before early 2028.

[solar jacinth]

[fair rampart]

you sure about that

you can clearly see the arms distinctly from that spot

[jovial vault]

Ah shit that is not her arm

Unfortunate

[solar jacinth]

wait "her" ?

wtf

[jovial vault]

Ill fix it and send it to saleh around iftaar im sleepy rn

Pale champion is a girl

[solar jacinth]

and pale lurker i guess ?

[jovial vault]

Ye

[solar jacinth]

im suprised once more

[jovial vault]

Honestly cant wait to finish pale champion and work on other things

[gilded lotus]

i need to also finish pale champion

but i have the least of work to do

[solar jacinth]

honestly cant wait to finish school and work on other things

[jovial vault]

relatable

[ornate rivet]

sameo

[jovial vault]

School holding this community hostsge

[solar jacinth]

school bad

[jovial vault]

This is true

[safe hamlet]

honestly can't wait to die and die

[jovial vault]

56 that you

Ah no wait its just my depression

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[solar jacinth]

lmao nerds imagine depressing when there is something called

actually couldnt find anything

[solemn rivet]

@silk jetty there is a mag skip... But I doubt that's it

[gilded lotus]

i dont knokw what a mag skip is and at this point i'm too afraid to ask

[silk jetty]

mag skips are super hard skips that are barely humanly possible

so they are basically tas only

[solemn rivet]

Basically the equivalent to tas-only

Heh

[gilded lotus]

what mag tho

[solemn rivet]

Magolor

[gilded lotus]

what magolor

dont make me use google im lazy

[solemn rivet]

https://youtu.be/fVj2gou0U4g

https://youtu.be/NagPZS01w1E

[gilded lotus]

oof

so they're named after this guy

[unborn flicker]

The logic for rando2 doesn't even have that, iirc

[gilded lotus]

just like the homothety fireball

[solemn rivet]

I think so homothety

[dusky lion]

just like the patented dlkurosh move

aka to fail crystal heart dash

[solemn rivet]

Cammie, how's nier automata

[dusky lion]

a masterpiece

i have gotten ending e

[unborn flicker]

Honestly, if CaptainDapper makes his injectable logic mod, I would just remove magskips, since it confuses so many people

[solemn rivet]

Nice

[silk jetty]

cammie sacrificed their save file so they cant easily experience the rest of the game

[solemn rivet]

Did they

Also A2 best waifu

[weak lodge]

oh fuck

[gilded lotus]

oh god

[jovial vault]

2B is better tho

[gilded lotus]

also @safe hamlet i might do that, but PP's hp is different so i'm not sure how those mods will work together or conflict

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[dusky lion]

same

[jovial vault]

sigh

[weak lodge]

sigh

[charred parrot]

oh god

[gilded lotus]

i want a daki of saleh

[ornate rivet]

https://cdn.rona.ca/images/0600005_M.jpg

ok

[jovial vault]

Hes just the sigh emoji

LMAO

[gilded lotus]

is that milk or bleach

either way ima drink it and find out

[jovial vault]

Why not both

[gilded lotus]

i hope it's the latter

[jovial vault]

Do i pass out for an hour or stay up till suhoor

[gilded lotus]

all purpose

so you can consume it

[ornate rivet]

yea

what if you miss it

[gilded lotus]

https://puu.sh/Duxib/8b6f06a214.png

hmmm

sounds like a challenge

[jovial vault]

I mean my amma will probably toss me out of bed anyways. good old 2 am

Pensive

[gilded lotus]

whats suhoor

[ornate rivet]

when you wake up before dawn to eat before you have to fast

[jovial vault]

Mozlem thing

[gilded lotus]

i thought it was sunrise for some reason

lol

[weak lodge]

u fool 56 only has 1 pp

and its already really hard

[ornate rivet]

not if you instantiate it

[weak lodge]

fuck urite

[gilded lotus]

dont use big words on me

[ornate rivet]

why stop at 2 hard PPs

[jovial vault]

Sigh

[gilded lotus]

🔞

[jovial vault]

not in my good ramadhan

[ornate rivet]

It's all because 56 wanted to have alliteration with his Ps

[jovial vault]

[dusky lion]

alliteration is a big part of this person's life

[safe hamlet]

i can understand if 56 regrets naming his mod Pale Prince

[gilded lotus]

sid sid sid sid sid sid

[solar jacinth]

yes

[safe hamlet]

yes

[gilded lotus]

im willing to take you up on yoru challenge

[safe hamlet]

i can make it work with PP

[gilded lotus]

poggies

my doggies

[ornate rivet]

isn't there a chance that the mod is already compatible?

[gilded lotus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[safe hamlet]

it is

but i doubt the health is intact

[gilded lotus]

i mean it works

but yeah the hp thing

[ornate rivet]

good point

[safe hamlet]

just a minor change is enough

[gilded lotus]

right now it's tied to PV's hp

and PP's hp is 3k flat i think?

[safe hamlet]

ye

[gilded lotus]

so 6k terminate at 3k

[safe hamlet]

should i make it so that you have to do 3000k 3k damage combined to defeat?

alright

[gilded lotus]

3000k

[safe hamlet]

[solar jacinth]

[gilded lotus]

this is actually really good training for NGG

[safe hamlet]

you are saying NGG is harder than 2 PP?

[gilded lotus]

the 2nd phase

is probably a little easier

[solar jacinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/579782107216478208/unknown.png

[safe hamlet]

i have actually never seen NGG in action

[gilded lotus]

wait no

i thought you said 2 pv

2 pp is harder than 2nd phase ngg

but basically NGG phase 1 is you doing 2400 dmg to NKG with constant spikes

or something like htat

[safe hamlet]

that's a good modding idea

constant spike for marmu

[copper nacelle]

something like that being constant spikes

with multiple combos

[gilded lotus]

and phase 2 is literally just 2 NKGs

without constant spikes

[copper nacelle]

and some speed changes

[safe hamlet]

2 NKG 😩

[copper nacelle]

also 3rd phase makes the spikes do 4 damage

[gilded lotus]

i've only made it to phase 2 like 3 times and immediately die

[copper nacelle]

yeet skeet

practice phase 2

or that'll just keep happening

[safe hamlet]

do they work together or it's just like my PV mod?

[copper nacelle]

that happened to me

[gilded lotus]

double NGG

[copper nacelle]

And then I realized doing attempts without practicing phase 2 is dumb

and I modified it to practice phase 2

just like the pv mod sid

Except they don't do pillars iirc

[safe hamlet]

i see

i should prolly remove plumes from PV

[gilded lotus]

only way i could think of doing that as a non modder is getting to phase 2 with inf hp and then changing nail dmg to 1 and having inf hp

[safe hamlet]

or make it so that they don't do it at the same time

[gilded lotus]

plumes?

[copper nacelle]

(spikes)

[gilded lotus]

the diving lances i assume

ye

[copper nacelle]

They are called plumes in the fsm

[gilded lotus]

ah

can you actually even DD the full screen PP plumes

[copper nacelle]

If you want I can try and find the phase 2 dll I was using Zaliant

I had it set so he'd do the last balloon and then go into p2

That way it felt like actual p2

[gilded lotus]

sounds good

though no rush cause i wanna do other stuff first

i actually wanna double pp and 1.5 pp

[safe hamlet]

balloon as in the pufferfish?

[gilded lotus]

yeah

[safe hamlet]

balloon is so lame tho

[gilded lotus]

your position will be the same

oh you just mean the word

[safe hamlet]

ye

[copper nacelle]

[safe hamlet]

time to install 56's PP 😩

[shy cloak]

phrasing

[safe hamlet]

it's meant to be phrased that way

yea, 2x PP is not possible

[gilded lotus]

you said that about 2x pv

[safe hamlet]

yes, but i am telling you PP isn't possible

since you have the grid attack

[gilded lotus]

i choose you

DD

[solemn basin]

Descending dark is the answer to everything.

[silk jetty]

^

[gilded lotus]

can you chain dd

without losing invuln

[silk jetty]

no

[safe hamlet]

don't think so

[gilded lotus]

that might actually not be possible then

idk

[silk jetty]

you used to be able to

[safe hamlet]

also don't really know how i would do this, i mean i could always just hardcode it since it's not a proper mod

[gilded lotus]

wdym

[safe hamlet]

i don't want to check if PP is installed or not

[gilded lotus]

it takes 2 seconds

😠

[copper nacelle]

how you would do what

[gilded lotus]

open up installer

[safe hamlet]

check for PP, but i got it

[gilded lotus]

is it enabled

[safe hamlet]

ModHook instance has it

[ornate rivet]

why is this so complicated?
http://i.imgur.com/tnGVDoB.png

[dusky lion]

what the frick is this

@trim totem explain stormlight man

[safe hamlet]

fsms obviously

[mortal trout]

it doesnt really matter what order you read them in tbh

[safe hamlet]

nou

[jovial vault]

Alternatively read them randomly and then go on the wiki for lore tidbits you have missed

[mortal trout]

once you read warbreaker before words of radiance you can read it in whatever order you want imo

[ornate rivet]

I finished all the SA books

So I should start with the very last book in the mistborn series and read backwards

[mortal trout]

no

[ornate rivet]

that's what I'm getting from this

[mortal trout]

read the different series in whatever order you want*

[ornate rivet]

yes sir

[safe hamlet]

yes

[gilded lotus]

yes maam

[mellow elbow]

@unborn flicker so I did a run

[jovial vault]

Read all of mistborn at once

[mellow elbow]

a few things were broken

whenever I walked over the watcher graves it trapped me, and also the geo gate for crystal peaks wasn't purchasable

[gilded lotus]

the only thing i hate about double pp is that they are dagger attack happy

[ornate rivet]

read one page of each book then move on to the next book and cycle back

[unborn flicker]

It's intended for that toll to not be purchasable without lantern

I'll look into the other part

[solemn basin]

I think I'm caught up in Cosmere but it's been a while since I checked.

But keeping up with the tidbits is usually just better to wiki it.

[gilded lotus]

probably cause you havent unpacked 👀

[solemn basin]

99% true

Can't unpack at work.

[mellow elbow]

but why block the toll?

[unborn flicker]

by watcher graves, I assume you mean the dreamer cutscene in Resting Grounds?

I don't have any issues with that

[silk jetty]

not sure if this crash after dying was caused by mods or not lmao

[gilded lotus]

this is hard @safe hamlet

2 of 56's hard pp 😩

ok this isnt possible

how about double vessel at 1.5 speed

[mellow elbow]

@unborn flicker huh odd

I wonder if it was cause I didn't have the map

[unborn flicker]

Is your API up to date?

[mellow elbow]

I think so

let me check

yeah, seems to be

[unborn flicker]

What item was at dream nail?

[mellow elbow]

errr

let me check the log

shopkeeper's key

[unborn flicker]

strange

let me know if it happens again

[mellow elbow]

I have this error in the log:

[ERROR]:[RandomizerMod] - Error processing action of type RandomizerMod.Actions.ReplaceObjectWithShiny:
{"sceneName":"Ruins1_24","objectName":"Quake Item","newShinyName":"Randomizer Shiny"}
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at RandomizerMod.Actions.ReplaceObjectWithShiny.Process (System.String scene, UnityEngine.Object changeObj) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at RandomizerMod.RandomizerMod.EditShinies (Scene to) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

I'm not sure if that's related

[unborn flicker]

I believe that should be fixed

[rain cedar]

That's been a long-standing non issue

It throws an error but nothing breaks

[unborn flicker]

oh nvm

[rain cedar]

It's when you go back to soul master room after getting the item

[mellow elbow]

huh

[gilded lotus]

@safe hamlet does DV change hp of base PV to 3k or just PP

[fair rampart]

I did DV with PP on and it was normal PV health

[safe hamlet]

just PP

yea jngo, i just updated it

[copper nacelle]

how are you getting pp from ModHooks.instance

[safe hamlet]

i am not getting it, i am just checking for it using LoadedMods field and if PP is installed, i set the health to 3000

i know it's quite bad

since if you change the mod name, it won't work anymore

[fair rampart]

[copper nacelle]

that's what I meant

cool

[gilded lotus]

if jngo DV's PP im uninstalling

[copper nacelle]

I was gonna recommend Type.GetType

[safe hamlet]

GetType on what?

[copper nacelle]

no

not the instance one

the static one

[safe hamlet]

o

[copper nacelle]

assembly-qualified name => Type | null

[safe hamlet]

i see

tbh i didn't even know the static one existed

[copper nacelle]

e.g

assembly qualified name doesn't need the id stuff

which makes it pretty nice

e.g 2 "System.String, mscorlib"

[safe hamlet]

ye, i got what you meant

very neat indeed

[unborn flicker]

New randomization method

It does freeze up a little though

the inside looks something like this

[solemn rivet]

welp I need a billing account to get the google api

not happening

[unborn flicker]

Not shown: it restarts whenever it places too many shop items for every real location to be filled

[safe hamlet]

homothety, how are you so into modding?

i just start something then just lose interest in few minutes

[unborn flicker]

The alternative is analysis homework

[safe hamlet]

understandable

[unborn flicker]

due in 12 hours

[solar jacinth]

determinated

wow

[safe hamlet]

i have my chemistry test tomorrow, i am also using modding as the better option

[unborn flicker]

I also find this stuff fun since I have almost no experience

[solemn rivet]

it lives

[solar jacinth]

sir wtf

[safe hamlet]

why python tho

[solemn rivet]

cause

I only use it to translate the dialogs

[solar jacinth]

who said its phyton

[solemn rivet]

no need to code in an actual language

just whatever is faster/cheaper

[safe hamlet]

true

[unborn flicker]

So when my randomization algorithm started to take 10s of attempts instead of exploding after 1000s of attempts, I felt pride and accomplishment 😎

[solemn rivet]

I feel ya homothety

I also have no experience with coding

so even these small achievements feel so nice

[safe hamlet]

also ricardo is a good name

are you as smexy as milos tho?

[solemn rivet]

ty

you'll have to come here to find out boi

[safe hamlet]

😩

[solemn rivet]

[rain cedar]

Any algorithm that is based on restarting until it works is pretty not good

[solemn rivet]

isn't that life in a nutshell tho

[unborn flicker]

that is true

but is there really a better way to implement compound item requirements?

[rain cedar]

Pick the location first rather than the item, taking into account how many items would be required to reach that location

With some additional logic/weighting to make it not do stupid shit like pick abyss first and place everything in crossroads

[unborn flicker]

I see. I'll give that some thought then

[safe hamlet]

that's some nice argument parsing

[gilded lotus]

thanks

[unborn flicker]

I'm going to work on hw now, but while it's on my mind

Is there any decent way to actually pull a choice of required items from the location logic? (other than the obvious, setting all to true)

Wouldn't that basically be an sat solver, or am I overthinking it?

I guess you could split at every '|' and choose a branch, etc, but then the difficulty settings cause problems

[rain cedar]

You could check all combinations of relevant items for every location to figure out what item sets lead to them

Would make sense to do that on init rather than during randomization

[solemn rivet]

result: "56 It's quite difficult"

[unborn flicker]

Right, and since we have small numbers of items that wouldn't take too long either I suppose

[rain cedar]

Yeah, it would be very fast

And as long as you're doing it you could also use it to speed up the randomization

By making truth tables for everything

Front-loading the expensive operations is much better than having lag when clicking buttons

[solemn rivet]

Summons weaverlings to give the lonely bearer some companionship and protection.``` becomes ```Add a music room to listen to music that is not relaxing.
Call your organization```

[safe hamlet]

that's so good

[solemn rivet]

maybe 20 translations is too much?

[safe hamlet]

nah

finally some useful mod coming to the table

[gilded lotus]

waiting for the 56 react

[solemn rivet]

now I just gotta automate this puppy

oh lord

[safe hamlet]

also why x += 1

[solemn rivet]

I broke "Hallownest" into "Hallow nest" and got this

I tried to use my friend and burn it in the hall.```

maybe some languages should be avoided

[safe hamlet]

nou

are you planning to replace the game's text with these?

[solemn rivet]

yup

all of it

[safe hamlet]

absolute madlad

[solemn rivet]

"These pins will mark any Stagway Stations you've visited.\nThey must have been very lively places when the stags still travelled through them."becomesIn fact, security is provided. There are many

[safe hamlet]

i wanna work on custom bosses

[solemn rivet]

maybe the string is too long?

[safe hamlet]

in fact, security is provided

what language?

[solemn rivet]

random

oh

python

[safe hamlet]

the first answer was what i was looking for

[solemn rivet]

oh ok

so I have a dict of all languages that work for googletrans

and I'm accessing random entries in it

[safe hamlet]

i see

are you going to run these each time the game loads? or are you just going to translate them all and replace it just once?

[solemn rivet]

ideally it'd be each time the game loads

but

that'd require internet

and it'd take some time too

so for now I'm gonna pre-generate these

and hardcode them

[safe hamlet]

plus requests limit

[solemn rivet]

also that yeah

[safe hamlet]

should still be fun tho

make sure you find a way to mention 56's PP in there somewhere :^)

[solemn rivet]

[gilded lotus]

56's pp in the HK dating sim

[safe hamlet]

is there an event for inventory open or something similar to that?

[solemn rivet]

I don't think so?

idk

[safe hamlet]

basically, i wanna draw something on the inventory menu (where the vessels/items are shown), what would be the best way to do that?

[rain cedar]

Modify the canvas

[solemn rivet]

my inspiration

[silk jetty]

nice

[solemn rivet]

anyone here good with regex?

[compact sedge]

I know [] and * and .

and that's it

[solemn rivet]

I need to write a python script to parse this file

picking up everything between <entry name=blah> and </entry>

and blah can also vary

[solemn rivet]

so it is

nvm, got it

<.+?>(.+)?<.+?>this should work

[charred parrot]

what

[compact sedge]

>(.*)<

is the simplest way

I think

[safe hamlet]

yea

[compact sedge]

then \1 is the text

[solemn rivet]

it doesn't completely work

[compact sedge]

the thing I posted doesn't???

sorry

[solemn rivet]

regexr.com/4e92i

wut

why link no work

[safe hamlet]

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/5UHw7J6.png

it does tho

[solemn rivet]

but it picks the ><

[compact sedge]

yeah just in the replace add them back

[safe hamlet]

^

[compact sedge]

will keep them the same

[solemn rivet]

o

urite

[leaden hedge]

What if > or < are in the text

[solemn rivet]

they'll never be

but sure

[safe hamlet]

just hope they are not

[compact sedge]

The radiance: "I think moths > other bugs"

[solemn rivet]

also angle: "I think moths > other living beings"

[compact sedge]

shh

I only have mild moth biases

[leaden hedge]

I think it changes to &gt

Anyway

[safe hamlet]

prolly could also just use .Replace(), which i think is faster, correct me if i am wrong

[compact sedge]

||is there a mod for real life to turn me into a moth?||

[silk jetty]

no

[compact sedge]

fuck

[silk jetty]

libtard destroyed

[safe hamlet]

make the mod

[solemn rivet]

but I have to add these as dicts to HK

so there's no point in replacing

[compact sedge]

the true reason I'm majoring in biology revealed

[solemn rivet]

I only need to get the text in between ><

[compact sedge]

ok then do this

[solemn rivet]

u already said that earlier tho angle

[safe hamlet]

i meant replacing >< with ""

[solemn rivet]

o right

so, let me rephrase this question

I need to parse that file into a dict

[leaden hedge]

Imagine becoming a moth and not an anime catgirl

[dusky lion]

hmm today i will leak angle chat logs from #556637315015901215 into #archived-modding-development

[solemn rivet]

where key is the entry name and value is between ><

[compact sedge]

no pls

[safe hamlet]

isn't this xml?

[silk jetty]

#deleted-channel is the best channel

[dusky lion]

dont worry about it adrain

dont worry about it

[compact sedge]

you don't wanna know

about it

[solemn rivet]

I think it is, sid, but assetstudio exports it as txt

[compact sedge]

it's from the moth server that may or may not exist

[silk jetty]

ooh, invite me

[dusky lion]

gradow play apex with me

[leaden hedge]

Apex bad

[dusky lion]

unfortunate

[solemn rivet]

ehh

[leaden hedge]

Play good game

[safe hamlet]

i see

[solemn rivet]

not really into those kinds of games

sry

[dusky lion]

sorry kdt but i already played ico

[leaden hedge]

Ico is bad too

[solemn rivet]

burn the infidel

what about SotC, KDT?

[dusky lion]

kdt

your lifespan is measured in seconds now

[leaden hedge]

SoC is OK I guess

[silk jetty]

what about fortnite hahahahahahahahahah

[compact sedge]

.*\"(.*)\">(.*)<*

then \1 is the name of the entry and \2 is the contents

[dusky lion]

kdt objectively wrong

[silk jetty]

I'm funny arent i

[dusky lion]

kdt turning into acrid ???

[solemn rivet]

last guardian?

[leaden hedge]

Shit

[silk jetty]

@acrid

[compact sedge]

tell me if this works

[solemn rivet]

that works angle, thank you!

[compact sedge]

yay

[leaden hedge]

Last guardian played like it was programmed by TC in fsms

[solemn rivet]

nice

finally we agree on something

now I gotta learn how to actually parse the file

ty for the help!

[compact sedge]

for some reason I need to do this to exclude the ending </entry> from the thing

.*"(.*)">(.*)[<](.*)

idk why

find:
.*"(.*)">(.*)[<](.*)
replace with:
dictname[\1] = "\2";

also there's things like "<" that I dunno you might need to replace

or maybe unity parses those

yeah actually I'm remembering unity deals with those for you

[solemn rivet]

ye

[compact sedge]

also just cut off the top and bottom lines by hand I guess cuz they're useless.

[solemn rivet]

I guess I can do that

so the current plan is to

1- parse each EN_ file like this to a dict
2- use my script to translate the values
3- write the new values with the old keys in a new file
4- do that for all EN_ files
5- load EN_ files in new mod
6- use LanguageGetHook
7- ???
8- Profit

[safe hamlet]

much profit

@rain cedar sorry just saw your messgae while scrolling up, how would I modify the canvas? i can't even figure out where the game handles it

[compact sedge]

could skip most of these steps by adding your script into a library that new mods can load

[rain cedar]

I think it's called inventory top

[safe hamlet]

can't find it, is it a fsm?

[solemn rivet]

wdym angle

[gilded lotus]

hi angle

big fan

[solemn rivet]

also, I was planning on streaming tonight

but

[safe hamlet]

tonight

it's 12 am

[solemn rivet]

I mean

it's 1 am here

[compact sedge]

uhh I dunno why you need to parse the data, save it to a file, then load the file in a mod