archived-modding-development

[jovial vault]

there's been a sudden spike in actual modding stuff which is half homothety tbh

[shy cloak]

seriously tho

[unborn flicker]

lol

I actually have a patch for benchwarp too, but I was waiting in case any more bugs were found from it

[shy cloak]

GH for HPBarMod?

Wait I might have found it

[copper nacelle]

https://gitlab.com/gradow/Enemy-HP-Bars

[shy cloak]

k yep didn't find it 😃 thanks

[copper nacelle]

I really love how clean hollow knight's code is

[floral furnace]

left overs?

[copper nacelle]

i assume so

[unborn flicker]

I had been wondering what all the storyrecord calls in the fsms do

Good to know the answer is nothing

[copper nacelle]

would make for easy hooks

for the ones called from fsms

the ones called from actual code are probably inlined

[shy cloak]

homothety, will you try to PR the rando changes or release rando2.5?

[unborn flicker]

I won't PR anything until it's been thoroughly tested

idk if it makes much of a difference whether the main branch is with Sean or with me. He can probably make better long term updates

tfw you suck at github and then this comes along

[copper nacelle]

monkaMerge

[shy cloak]

Mostly just curious. I'll have mapmod support either one, but the logic packs I'll probably add to yours since it'll have more options. It might be easy enough to add logic packs to both. Still down the road sadly though; i want coop and multiworld first

i think

[solemn rivet]

@shy cloak https://github.com/Ayugradow/Enemy-HP-Bars

56 sent you gitlab, not sure how up-to-date that one is

[copper nacelle]

it's the same as the github

Don't you push to gitlab and mirror to github

[solemn rivet]

Is it?

I think I did, but not sure

[shy cloak]

ha thank you 😃

something seems off about the logic here... It's probably because randomapmod doesn't take your changes into account though more than a fault of yours homothety 😆

Brand new game

[unborn flicker]

hmmm 😬

[shy cloak]

It's not you, it's me

[unborn flicker]

One of my favorite moments in testing

[copper nacelle]

i cannot believe captaindapper is breaking up with homothety

[unborn flicker]

was when I decided to check to make sure the collector's map was adding correctly

and discovered that I had deleted the quill from Iselda a billion years ago

[copper nacelle]

lmao

[shy cloak]

hah rip

[unborn flicker]

amazing tree

[safe hamlet]

kill the brackets

[shy cloak]

^

[copper nacelle]

a short tutorial on how to kill sean

[safe hamlet]

brackets: the movie

[shy cloak]

randomizing the fury chest kills my early route 😦

can't afford stag station LUL

[safe hamlet]

stag station

[unborn flicker]

It's only randomized if geo chests are off

[safe hamlet]

a true warrior carries himself to battle

[shy cloak]

Oh okay. I chose default so must be the case

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, geo chests are off in the default right now

[shy cloak]

with lantern in the pool, who needs 'em anyway

[unborn flicker]

yeah, shops are much cheaper without lantern or simple key vanilla prices

[shy cloak]

okay on the other hand i need 700 geo for progression

not really complaining I guess

just different

i think grinding geo might making interesting routing some times

[unborn flicker]

I mean, you get 200 geo from False Knight

That isn't any different from getting 200 geo from fury

[shy cloak]

That's another reason I think prices should be shuffled; and intelligently tied to scaling progression stuff

oh that's true

[unborn flicker]

I thought you guys might also appreciate this artistic rendering of the new jiji fsm

[shy cloak]

lol nice

[shy cloak]

Dude the routing in this is so sick!

Just those few changes opened up huge routing options

tram pass especially

[unborn flicker]

I think the idea of a tram pass start is really cool

An almost useless connection in vanilla suddenly is really important

[shy cloak]

GG dude this is amazing 😃

[solar jacinth]

thanks

[unborn flicker]

Wow, I actually thought I had said thanks for a moment

but actually, thanks

[jovial vault]

homothety didn't you say you were going to be busy and not on modding

[unborn flicker]

I said I wouldn't do any more modding

#archived-modding-development is the opposite of modding

[jovial vault]

this is true

[safe hamlet]

mino, did you study?

[jovial vault]

except when you're either asking valid modding questions or people are trying to rope me into doing their modding art this is entirely about the dating sim and m*rkoth

yeah just finished maths

probably going to do some sociology

gave up on good old stalin today

[safe hamlet]

[solemn rivet]

I was kidding about the dating sim btw

I know you already have your hands full and all that mino

and it's not like the dating sim is ever going to become a reality anyways, so

[jovial vault]

if it ever does happen i'd honestly probably end up offering to help

[solemn rivet]

but

[jovial vault]

also haha wdym it's not going to be a reality

[solemn rivet]

I gotta warn you

[jovial vault]

haha

[solemn rivet]

it'll probably be very nsfw

I mean

[jovial vault]

sigh

[solemn rivet]

it's a dating sim isn't it

[jovial vault]

i will call you back in 8 months

[safe hamlet]

no, it's going to be a sfw christian family friendly dating sim

[solemn rivet]

I'm sure you read the preview dialogue I wrote earlier today

[jovial vault]

gosh darn christians

i didn't actually monkaHmm

but ye if yall plan to do nsfw stuff that's most definitely not stuff i'd be comfortable drawing

good luck if it does happen tho

[solemn rivet]

I like how you take everything I say seriously

as if I had ever said anything seriously

[jovial vault]

this is why you don't study the entire day

[solemn rivet]

I can relate to that

[jovial vault]

oof

[mellow elbow]

@unborn flicker if you're going and randomizing everything, you should include hunter's journal

[solemn rivet]

y

[unborn flicker]

there are plenty of items which aren't currently randomized

there's no motivating reason to randomize hunter's journal or quill, compared to Godtuner or Collector's Map

[mellow elbow]

what's the reason behind godtuner?

[solemn rivet]

atuning to gods

[unborn flicker]

It's an location locked behind new progression items; randomizing it makes simple keys useful

Hunter's Journal would just make early randomizer even more profitable than usual

[mellow elbow]

hm

yeah, I can see where you're coming from

[unborn flicker]

It would be more logically consistent to randomize it though, so I'll consider it

[solemn rivet]

logic < fun

[mellow elbow]

I can understand quill not being randomized, it serves no purpose other than direction, although I suppose that would be another potential shop randomization

[copper nacelle]

shops are already really good

[mellow elbow]

very true

[unborn flicker]

I don't currently plan on randomizing any other map stuff

Shops will only get better once I add kingsoul

[solemn rivet]

voidheart too?

[unborn flicker]

Since shops handle overflow from long items

hopefully

[mellow elbow]

I feel like shops should be balanced to make progression items less likely to show up

[unborn flicker]

they are though

[mellow elbow]

huh

[unborn flicker]

each shop can only have at most one progression item

[mellow elbow]

is that specific to your fork? cause I feel like I had two at one point

[copper nacelle]

no

[unborn flicker]

Shopkeeper's Key can unlock another progression item

[mellow elbow]

ah

that's probably it

[unborn flicker]

But yeah, regarding Void Heart, I'm not very good at handling cases which aren't already in the randomizer (see also: godtuner), but I can probably put a shiny in front of the egg or something

Kingsoul would then be logical access to that item

[mellow elbow]

kingsoul and shade cloak

iirc

and kings brand obviously

[unborn flicker]

well actually I would probably destroy it without dream nail too

just like how shriek is handled

[copper nacelle]

you guys think this would do anything to infinite loads

[solar jacinth]

no , i think?

[copper nacelle]

They're all caused by oom

[solemn rivet]

Um I mean, all it does is write to log

[copper nacelle]

No

does this not just get gc'd

wtf

on 1028 it's even weirder

[solemn rivet]

I mean

doesn't this always return the same value?

[copper nacelle]

void

so yeah

[solemn rivet]

I mean num2 in the first one

it's always the same value

[copper nacelle]

no

if you have like -2 ram it'll choose the smaller number

[solemn rivet]

oh yeah, there's that line with system memory

[copper nacelle]

@buoyant obsidian

[solar jacinth]

:GWchadMegaThink:

[solar jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/327461802311155714/578358042978942976/hotdogdog.gif

[solemn rivet]

what exactly did you do 56?

[copper nacelle]

i hooked GetBackground

[solemn rivet]

ic

[copper nacelle]

i would actually do something cool but i can't art

[solemn rivet]

that's good for when we can actually make our own new areas

[solar jacinth]

i can do

what do you wanty

[copper nacelle]

👀

idk

I also found out I have like 800 lines of refactoring not commited

[jovial vault]

hmmmm making new areas

that's something i've been waiting for the level editor for actually lol

[solar jacinth]

its your second time saying it

do you actually want that that much

[jovial vault]

ive been thinking about it for a while

[solemn rivet]

same mino

it'll be a great addition to blackmoth

I'll make a new boss battle

[solar jacinth]

do you remember this ?

[solemn rivet]

I do, sugar

the idea is to make "paths" in the game, so your choices influence the ending

[solar jacinth]

if you want to develop blackmoth even more , i can do that skin

[solemn rivet]

I don't have the time, sugar

[solar jacinth]

[jovial vault]

:(

[solar jacinth]

but its almost summer

[solemn rivet]

but the idea is to have a void and a radiance path

not here

semesters here go from mar-jul

[jovial vault]

i remember you briefly mentioning that

[solemn rivet]

and

I have some big thing in my phd this next semester

so I probably won't get much rest this winter

[jovial vault]

good luck with that

[solemn rivet]

I basically have to convince the department that my research not only is not completely bollocks, but that I know what I'm talking about and that it'll actually be something worthwhile

ty mino

after that, I get 1.5 years to finish my dissertation

so I think I can squeeze some time to mess with blackmoth here and there

but until then...

[solar jacinth]

screw blackmoth do silksong mods

[solemn rivet]

possibly

we'll have to see

[jovial vault]

that would be interesting

[solar jacinth]

i hope the code will be better this time

[jovial vault]

im trying to do as much as i can this summer because i won't be free until next july, so i relate

maybe

[solemn rivet]

if SS is as good as it seems to be, I might as well make blackmoth 2 on top of it, instead of expanding upon blackmoth

that's the feel, mino

I haven't had any real off time for years, because there's always some deadline right after winter/summer

[solar jacinth]

when did you make blackmoth

[solemn rivet]

uhh

aug-2017 I think

[solar jacinth]

how long did it take

[solemn rivet]

idk

and this is when I joined the channel

[jovial vault]

holy shit

[copper nacelle]

chadow

[jovial vault]

im curious as to who was the first person to get into hk modding

[solemn rivet]

maybe it was 753? I mean, it was Lightbringer that brought me to this channel

and what I based blackmoth on

[solar jacinth]

kinda emotional

hey everyone! I'm just getting into modding HK (or any game, for that matter) and no matter how much I look I can't seem to find a LOT of content in Assemply_CSharp.dll which I would like to mod, and I'm not saying resources - those I can find and extract just fine - I'm talking about things like, say, how spells behave and stuff... Can anyone help? Sry for the WOT btw

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

[safe hamlet]

so folks help me with something

[copper nacelle]

reverse emoji

[safe hamlet]

so i have pv1 and pv2 health managers for the double pv mod, why is pv1's health and pv2's health the same for few moments

[copper nacelle]

what

[safe hamlet]

pv2 is basically Instantiate(pv1) stored to a static field

[solar jacinth]

how do i access public float settings in dnspy

[safe hamlet]

i am logging the health and i see something like

pv1: 1000
pv2: 780
pv1: 980
pv2: 745
// then suddenly
pv1: 745
pv2: 745

[solemn rivet]

maybe you hit pv1

[safe hamlet]

nah

[jovial vault]

btw gradow it was indeed 753

[safe hamlet]

then after a while pv1 goes back to 1000 or something

[solemn rivet]

thought so, mino

[safe hamlet]

could just be a logger thread safety problem and i am not seeing it right

[solemn rivet]

did you find the first mention of mods?

[solar jacinth]

what is the first message of modding channel

[jovial vault]

Surprisingly not very exciting

In:modding before:2017-06-23

[unborn flicker]

ok, but I was definitely thinking about Besicobitch's Covering Theorem the whole time 😖

It's hard to stay focused

[solar jacinth]

dissapointing , actually

[solemn rivet]

cursed

[solar jacinth]

that profile photo tho

wow he actually left the server

[jovial vault]

Besicobitch is. a name

[solar jacinth]

i guess

[dusky lion]

the very first modding idea

[solar jacinth]

blessed

better than boss scills tbh

[solemn rivet]

*Besicovitch

[unborn flicker]

^

[solemn rivet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besicovitch_covering_theorem

[unborn flicker]

It is a very nice theorem

[gilded lotus]

@shy cloak im not ded anymore so I can answer

2x sanic : done
Double vessel : phase 2

[safe hamlet]

ok

so

the behavior is really weird

[gilded lotus]

Your behavior? Yeah

[safe hamlet]

hm1, hm2 are health manager hp
hm1: 1000
hm2: 500
hm1: 1000
hm2: 250
hm1: 1000
hm2: 50
hm1: 1000
hm2: 1000

so when one health goes to 0, it basically just changed to the other healthmanager's hp

ie when i am onyl damaging the 2nd object

o hi zaliant, did you beat DV? :^)

o wait, i might know how to fix this

[gilded lotus]

Phase 2

I’m just waking up so I haven’t

[safe hamlet]

phase 2 on both?

[jovial vault]

Damn that is fast

[gilded lotus]

I can’t tell if on both

I’ve never had them do it at the same time

Sometimes however one will do the big orb and that’s it

I’ve had it only twice where the smaller orbs get spawned too

[safe hamlet]

o

[gilded lotus]

Intended or not it seems fine to only have the big orb

[safe hamlet]

not intended and yea

[solar jacinth]

what is dv

[safe hamlet]

double vessel

[solar jacinth]

i know but what

[safe hamlet]

2 PV

mod

[solar jacinth]

i know but what

[gilded lotus]

We broke him

[copper nacelle]

have you tried giving the code causing the behaviour so it's actually possible to tell you what's wrong

[safe hamlet]

alright

[gilded lotus]

Lmao

[solar jacinth]

i know but what

[safe hamlet]

https://hastebin.com/codabuzine.cs sent you the whole class since i don't know what causing this

[copper nacelle]

fool

null coercion on a unity type

why 925

why are you using the fsm hp var

cursed

[safe hamlet]

i was experimenting, i was using health manager before

i thought that would fix it somehow

still those are not the issue there tho, and yea i forgot that null nocercions don't work on unity objects

[copper nacelle]

but why 925

[safe hamlet]

it's half of 1850 :wesmart:

[copper nacelle]

what

when they are both at 1/4th hp kill them both

:maggotPrime:

[safe hamlet]

i guess that works too

[copper nacelle]

no i mean

why not just 0

wtf

do you even set hp anywhere

[solemn rivet]

why not get the hp from the object instead of the fsm

[safe hamlet]

i don't

[solemn rivet]

I mean, you do do that, but only for BossSceneEnded

[copper nacelle]

but he doesn't

he gets both hps

and sums them

never sets anything

[safe hamlet]

the idea is to have a big health pool and hitting either of them counts, so basically you have to do a total of 1850 damage and if you do that much damage combined you win

[copper nacelle]

what if i kill the first one

and then do 50 damage to the other one

[solemn rivet]

on lines 33-35 he gets the hp from the healthmanagers, but on line 49-51 he gets the hp from the fsm

[safe hamlet]

i was testing stuff out

[copper nacelle]

Does it happen on first iteration

Because you fucked up the hooks

Idk how it handles adding null ints

Oh it'll just throw

[safe hamlet]

null ints, how?

[gilded lotus]

Tfw Sid wanted to make a simple mod

[copper nacelle]

What if I die

Your hook doesn't get unhooked

It'll try to do this._hm1

And die

NullRef

Making orig(self) never work

unless you have a 100% win rate

[safe hamlet]

that's again not the problem, i am aware of those issues

[copper nacelle]

what's OnHitInstance

[safe hamlet]

ignore that

i forgot to remove it

[copper nacelle]

The behaviour is on the first pv right?

[safe hamlet]

the problem is if you kill one first, the boss is destroyed but the second health manager's hp becomes the same as the first

ye

[copper nacelle]

gimme the dll

[solar jacinth]

how do i access to public floats

settings

[solemn rivet]

in dnspy

[copper nacelle]

question mark

oh i need an 1800 damage nail

easy solution

[safe hamlet]

yea the problem is when you kill only one

[copper nacelle]

so i need to do like 10 damage to the other one and then one shot the original

or vice versa

right

[safe hamlet]

yea

i think you can just one shot one to observe it

instead of the hp being 0, it's the other health manager's hp

[copper nacelle]

it just died

the other one then proceeded to stab me

[safe hamlet]

check the HP log

instead of being 0 for one, it returns the alive one's hp

[copper nacelle]

yeah

oh

i see

You can check if it's dead

There's an isDead bool

[safe hamlet]

alright, that's what i planning to do, just didn't know why it was doing it

[copper nacelle]

i'm still checking that

[safe hamlet]

i also need to make my health logic better, it's quite cursed rn

[copper nacelle]

Did you check it's OnDeath event

[safe hamlet]

i have not

doesn't do anything special in the controller

[copper nacelle]

is the hp being logged the fsm one or the hm one?

[safe hamlet]

health manager

but i tested with both

and the behavior is the same

[copper nacelle]

cannot believe i've been lied to

[safe hamlet]

o yea, i forgot i changed it just now

still tho, it's the same with healthmanager

[copper nacelle]

alright

[solemn rivet]

never trust fsms

better be safe and log both

[solar jacinth]

gradow wdym

there is a code like , public float blablabla;

and there is no way for me to change that settings

[safe hamlet]

what are you tryna change exactly?

[solar jacinth]

public things

for example , nail charge time

[safe hamlet]

yes, but what?

just find where the code uses the float

[solar jacinth]

there isnt

[copper nacelle]

pog

[solar jacinth]

so then can you exactly tell me where the nail charge time is ?

[solemn rivet]

Is it public tho?

Look for the HeroController fields

[solar jacinth]

it is public

[solemn rivet]

What's the field called

[solar jacinth]

let me take a quick look

wait nailChargeTime was private

how do i change the value

[safe hamlet]

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/2BuEAQQ.png

just change where it's used

[solar jacinth]

i cant find a place where its used

[safe hamlet]

Ctrl + F and type nailChargeTime?

in HeroController

[solar jacinth]

oh ok thanks

same thing applies for public rigt ?

[safe hamlet]

ye

[solar jacinth]

cool

[safe hamlet]

oof, isDead is always false so can't use that even tho one PV already died

[solemn rivet]

One idea

Try using hpbars

See if it gives you any insight

It tracks healthmanager hp

[safe hamlet]

yea i am looking at the using debug mod

the object is gone

but the 2nd health manager's hp somehow is same as first

when one PV dies ofc

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[safe hamlet]

let me check if the health even goes to 0 for any moment

[copper nacelle]

the actual fuck?

note that one of them is dead

[gilded lotus]

False

[copper nacelle]

after i unpaused he just exploded

???

[safe hamlet]

[solar jacinth]

[copper nacelle]

why is your health manager cursed

[safe hamlet]

i have no clue

[gilded lotus]

lol poor sid

[solar jacinth]

because

the health manager got cancer

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/301227786658381825/579245657303416866/472079662109949992.gif

[copper nacelle]

hol up

i may have done it

yeah i get it

[safe hamlet]

i just added a custom behaviour for OnDeath to set the bool

[copper nacelle]

no

stop

[safe hamlet]

enlighten me 56

[solar jacinth]

illuminate him

[copper nacelle]

lemme make sure i'm right

[safe hamlet]

alright

[copper nacelle]

well i was right but this comes with its own set of issues

[safe hamlet]

what was it

[copper nacelle]

instantiate

You make a new pure vessel right?

[safe hamlet]

yes

[copper nacelle]

Instantiate copies all components

This includes PureVessel2

So you make another pure vessel with PureVessel2

It prints the hierarchies and also subscribes to the event

But it also grabs the health managers

It grabs pv2's healthmanager (its own)

And it grabs base.gameObject's healthmanager (also its own)

The original grabs pv2's healthmanager and its own healthmanager

They both then log values

[safe hamlet]

o yea, that's what i was thinking too, that's why i printed the screen hierarachies

[copper nacelle]

Once you kill the origiinal

only pv2 is logging

And it's logging its healthmanager

Twice

[safe hamlet]

o

[solemn rivet]

So

What do instead of instantiate

[safe hamlet]

^

[copper nacelle]

Instantiate and then destroy the component

Or have the behaviour on your own gameobject

Note that you'll need to make sure you can't kill one without killing the other if you want the first option

Because if you could kill one w/out killing the other you could have a situation where the one with the component dies and therefore destroys the component, breaking the fight

[safe hamlet]

what about the 2nd option?

[copper nacelle]

You can just instantiate normally

Because the component won't be on the original and therefore won't get copied to the second

Grab one of them with GameObject.Find, grab the other via Instantiate's return

[safe hamlet]

alright

thanks a lot for helping me through this cursed mess

[copper nacelle]

yw

[solar jacinth]

yw

[copper nacelle]

Oh yeah and to fix the hook issue

Unhook in OnDestroy

[safe hamlet]

alright it works now you are godly 56

[copper nacelle]

[gilded lotus]

new version soon?

poggies

[jovial vault]

Soon

[charred parrot]

hey fuckers what does your brain say when they see this design

[young walrus]

penis

[jovial vault]

Heres a better image than what lazy posted

[copper nacelle]

it looks nice

[gilded lotus]

it says HK cause of the white face

[copper nacelle]

🤔

[gilded lotus]

& black eyes

[young walrus]

wow, racist

[safe hamlet]

wow zaliant

[fair rampart]

It could still be mistaken for HK

[gilded lotus]

~~also there is a guy that claims he did NGG but doesnt have any proof and says the game was easy ~~

[copper nacelle]

Lethere?

[gilded lotus]

Din Viesel

also had to cheat in dead cells

[jovial vault]

Yeah its still very similar to HK so we’re all doing a big collective sigh

[copper nacelle]

why

[gilded lotus]

bad advice time

i think if you shade the face itll help with some color and ad a line that leads up the twirls

like these things

[jovial vault]

Yeah i mentioned a pattern or something oj her head

[gilded lotus]

idk what those lines in the middle of the petals are

but i think it would help shape the identity of her

[charred parrot]

honestly idk what this image illustrates

[gilded lotus]

and if lazy says otherwise just hit that block button

[charred parrot]

I know its a flower

[gilded lotus]

https://puu.sh/Du9bA/977858fa94.png like maybe if you toyed around with that here-ish

idk

im not an art person

[jovial vault]

Oki that makes sense

[gilded lotus]

ofc that might require making her entire face blueish

lol

i think she was after a blue lily?

cause that's what i googled

[jovial vault]

Yep

[gilded lotus]

and then you could make the middle thing purple ?

idk

like i said bad advice

[fair rampart]

Maybe to make it more distinct, make the legs greenish and add leaves?

So they're like stems

I'd imagine that'd throw off the color scheme tho

[jovial vault]

Ye thats what a lot of people have suggested

[gilded lotus]

i assume there's a reason you havent though

[jovial vault]

I mean

Zaliant dont bully me i saw that

[gilded lotus]

[jovial vault]

Boy there are a lot of swathes that have been tossed around (you can find some in art discussion) between every single iteration

Issue is we’re all too attached to a design thats very much based on hk and dont really want to make big drastic changes

But its fine we’ll figure it out

[gilded lotus]

you have the experience so i believe you can make the right decisions

right/best

[jovial vault]

i have -3 experience but its a learning process

Ty for your input

[charred parrot]

so I'm at GOML
in the vip area

[jovial vault]

How does it feel to be a very important programmer

[charred parrot]

please

one of the pros asked me for water

"I don't have any water for you"

is all I said

[jovial vault]

Lazy can you get me some water

[charred parrot]

sure its in orbit atm

[solemn rivet]

I think the bug look is mostly because of the face

[unborn flicker]

New update! https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod

All charms are now randomized. Abyss is modified to make LBC accessible with any positive number of blue masks. Void Heart is fixed to allow shade skips. New menu toggle for long items: default replaces them with 3000-5000 geo.

[safe hamlet]

[copper nacelle]

sick

[ornate rivet]

hawt

[safe hamlet]

@gilded lotus here's the updated version, it's nothing different from the outside tho

[gilded lotus]

yeah thats fine

[compact sedge]

shoutouts to TC for not doing this

[copper nacelle]

cursed

what game is this

[compact sedge]

just shapes and beats

[copper nacelle]

oh yeah

[trim totem]

what is wrong in this image

[compact sedge]

everything

[solemn rivet]

light theme is the most wrong tho

[floral furnace]

^

[fair rampart]

unprecedented readability

[floral furnace]

no wait lightmode is good too on ides

just my personal imo

[compact sedge]

I like light theme on this laptop

cuz it's my light laptop

[floral furnace]

hmm yes

[copper nacelle]

i put that through a de-obfuscator

it was still unreadable

[trim totem]

are those all errors

[copper nacelle]

when i first played js&b

[solemn rivet]

no khan

[compact sedge]

the obfuscator intentionally generates junk cs files

[solemn rivet]

it's just obfuscated code

[compact sedge]

that cannot be compiled

but are placed into the binary after being compiled

so they get decompiled

[floral furnace]

but why tho

[compact sedge]

because fuck modders

[solemn rivet]

to prevent hackers/pirates I guess

[copper nacelle]

Yeah they use a thing specifically for unity

Sean figured out how to unencrypt the save files anyway

[floral furnace]

so the closest thing to encrypting it, kinda then

[copper nacelle]

It's just xor 14 or some shit

[compact sedge]

tbf xor is reversable even without original source code

it was part of a flag in pwnadventure 3

[copper nacelle]

very nice

sean looked through the methods for a while until he found something which wrote to a file iirc

it uses this btw

https://www.beebyte.co.uk/

iirc

😍

[floral furnace]

Unity 4.2.0

nice

[fair rampart]

look

real words

[floral furnace]

is that part of the obsfuikxjfso something

[compact sedge]

how does it handle this

does it jump to the second or first true

[copper nacelle]

uhhh

[fair rampart]

yes

[solemn rivet]

uhh

[copper nacelle]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[solemn rivet]

I think if you type that into VS it'll tell you that the second true will never be reached

or that

[copper nacelle]

time to make it using dnSpy

[compact sedge]

rider is more intelligent than this obfuscator

tbh

seems legit

[copper nacelle]

-82

[safe hamlet]

-82

😩

[copper nacelle]

😩

[solemn rivet]

it sets 0 and 5 multiple times too

[copper nacelle]

It optimized out my switch

I had switch("true") { case "true"

and it ate it

Wtf

It optimized my switch to if statements

[solemn rivet]

show

[copper nacelle]

it was switch(s) case "true"

and no other cases

because i didn't think it'd eat my switch

oh my god

[floral furnace]

what the hell happened to 2nd if statement

[solemn rivet]

wait

that's just plain wrong right

[copper nacelle]

no it's right

if it's true it'll print die

if it's not equal to false

it'll do the default thing

and return

[solemn rivet]

oh, because it returns inside the first if

ok

because the second if doesn't exclude the first case

[copper nacelle]

will this get optimized out take your bets

[solemn rivet]

so if it didn't break, it'd print die again

[floral furnace]

doubt

[solemn rivet]

inb4 5 ifs

[copper nacelle]

doubt means no?

[floral furnace]

yes

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

i mean, no no

[solemn rivet]

wut

[safe hamlet]

it prolly will :^)

[solemn rivet]

you're just making us more and more confused

[solemn rivet]

dang

[floral furnace]

lame

[solemn rivet]

off by 1 if

[copper nacelle]

i just want it to be a switch

please

[safe hamlet]

😩 that's some nice optimization

[copper nacelle]

how do i make it be a switch

i know

I'll add a when statement

The massive brain play

[solemn rivet]

does dnspy not know how to handle switch cases?

[copper nacelle]

No it does

[floral furnace]

easy, DONT use the optimization option

[safe hamlet]

inb4 that gets optimized too

[copper nacelle]

please

[solemn rivet]

I mean, rider would tell you that switch was bollocks from the start

[copper nacelle]

i want die

@compact sedge it's probably just the first one because it compiles with returns

[compact sedge]

thanks

it doesn't just make fake functions

but long chains of fake functions

ewww

[solemn rivet]

why must people be like this

[floral furnace]

ask tc to add the obfussiajf;so to silksong

[copper nacelle]

what method is the multiple cases of true in @compact sedge

i can just check the il

i want to make sure

[solemn rivet]

how do you even read il 56

[compact sedge]

not quite sure

[copper nacelle]

with my eyes

[solemn rivet]

I genuinely have no idea

[compact sedge]

I forgot

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

I tried reading it once and was completely stumped

[copper nacelle]

ok time to look for all calls of DNPJGOHMADM

it's just like asm

but easier

you just need to get used to the instructions

motherfucker

why

😍

none of these have case true

but i'm using a cleaned dll

i checked the non-cleaned

still nothing

[compact sedge]

no but there's a

case "true"

[copper nacelle]

no i mean case "true"

[compact sedge]

as in the string

[copper nacelle]

none of these have it

there's shit like

[compact sedge]

giockmopfmg

[copper nacelle]

but no case "true"

is that the method

or are you dying

[compact sedge]

.cs

line 466

[copper nacelle]

these are all in giockmopfmg

[compact sedge]

well maybe not that exact line

unused method

BELFGNBFIEE

[copper nacelle]

i don't have that in giockmopfmg

[compact sedge]

how to quickly fix all errors in rider

[copper nacelle]

unless there is one more than one giockmopfmg

It's this one right?

best i found was this

[compact sedge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper nacelle]

is the linux dll different

what is the shasum for you

wait i have another assembly

maybe this one is also cleaned

yeah i have no BELFGNBFIEE in giockmopfmg

give dll

[compact sedge]

over 8MB

1 sec

[copper nacelle]

send.firefox.com

[compact sedge]

speaking of meme code

[copper nacelle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[compact sedge]

cmon 0 errors pls

[charred parrot]

time to activate

my die move

[copper nacelle]

why do you do this

[copper nacelle]

cursed

I have two case "true"s now

Pog

the linux one is so much more fucked

nevermind the il is also unreadable

[compact sedge]

help how do I do logging that's not in the player.log file

so I can have readable logs

[copper nacelle]

Make your own logger

aka just write to some random file

[compact sedge]

where's the entry point

for this junk

[copper nacelle]

no clue

ok

[compact sedge]

ok I'll just parse tail Debug.log through grep "[MOD]"

[copper nacelle]

very nice

this is actually so fucked

oh my god

[unborn flicker]

very readable code

[copper nacelle]

ok

[compact sedge]

the great thing is like

[copper nacelle]

they all call !0 !1

[compact sedge]

I feel like I could hack away at this in a week and have just as good as source code

this obfuscation doesn't even make it harder it just adds busywork

[copper nacelle]

Doesn't calling dictionary add with the same arg twice make it throw?

the answer is neither angle

it'll die before it gets there

easy

[compact sedge]

all the obfuscation in the world can't hide the fact they cannot spell lol

but on the plus side

no more playing the circle thank god

[floral furnace]

🦀 Pentagone 🦀

[unborn flicker]

Ok, new Benchwarp update is in. UnlockAllBenches now takes effect on newgame or loadgame and is no longer limited to one use per session. It also now activates toll benches and the Hive bench, and unlocks both trams. It also previsits most areas, to prevent softlocks from titlecards.

If someone's free to add the new version to the drive, or give me permissions, lmk

[solemn rivet]

drop it here

[solemn rivet]

done

just fixing the installer link...

[unborn flicker]

Thanks! You rock Gradow

[solemn rivet]

done

wait homothety

how does benchwarp deal with pantheons' benches?

[unborn flicker]

It doesn't acknowledge those

It only warps to the 2 "real" Godhome benches

[solemn rivet]

k

[unborn flicker]

Technically, you can actually use the warp button on anything, but it will only go to where you last saved

I don't know how that would work with Pantheons/HoG

But you can use that to warp back to a hardsave location

Or when I do rando, I'll also use warp as I'm walking through Dirtmouth to quickly grab the bench warp point

[solemn rivet]

I'm just watching lobos' Poorly Translated+Cinders mod run of DS3

please, let us come together in this time of need

and make a poorly translated mod for HK

that will accomplish two things

memes

and hate from lore

both of which are ideal tbh

[solemn basin]

This sounds like a worthy goal.

The only support I can offer is moral support, so I believe in you.

[unborn flicker]

the great dichotomy of #archived-modding-development

[solemn rivet]

I mean

if they care so much about lore mods they should make one themselves

[unborn flicker]

Don't you dare say randomizer doesn't have lore 😡

[solemn rivet]

I care about memes and pissing off lore

so I'm gonna make the poorly translated mod

[floral furnace]

yeah its called silksong

[solemn basin]

I look forward to Silksong mod.

[charred parrot]

scills

[solemn rivet]

I think I'll continue streaming celeste

if anyone's interested

[jovial vault]

just got our of bed oops

Give me ten

[dark wigeon]

So you guys know the new epic games launcher new free game stories untold

I didn't think I'd see another game with it, but it's got fsms

[jovial vault]

following in the cherry lads footsteps

[floral furnace]

what game?

[dark wigeon]

Stories untold

Opened fine in fsm viewer

[floral furnace]

oh didnt read that last part

not as bad as the one in HK tho right?

[dark wigeon]

Nah it's actually pretty clean and almost everything is color coded

[charred parrot]

playmaker FSMs though?

[dark wigeon]

Yeah

[charred parrot]

I'm telling you playmaker is fine

[silk jetty]

mossbag used infinite soul for ascended bosses confirmed

[gilded lotus]

i wan die

[jovial vault]

understandable

join gradows stream

[gilded lotus]

cute dog

[jovial vault]

[hollow hearth]

mmm yes

cat

[gilded lotus]

i dont get how jngo didnt get that many dagger attacks

i literally always have at least 1 pv doing daggers

[gilded lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPR7ET_x0M lol @safe hamlet

[solar jacinth]

ohh thats what double vessel means

thats epic

[gilded lotus]

i'm pretty sure i just cheesed it super hard with the 4 fireballs

probably all double hitting

that's litearlly like 600 dmg

[solar jacinth]

still epic

[gilded lotus]

1hp wonder still

😎

[solar jacinth]

😎 epic zaliant style 😎

[gilded lotus]

jk

its cause i had wayward compass

[solar jacinth]

maaaan that charm is so op

i catn believe you cheesed dv with compass

[jovial vault]

9 more pages of socio reading before i can do stuff for gun mod

[gilded lotus]

I’ll come back and do it again without shade soul and shaman stone

Nail only lite

[solar jacinth]

you are not normal

[gilded lotus]

Jngo did it way before me

He’s a god

[solar jacinth]

@fair rampart hello god

[gilded lotus]

I’m just an attention seeker when it comes to victories

Also. Gun mod?

[jovial vault]

yeah what ttacco's been yelling about not doing for forever

im blackmailing him into making it

[solar jacinth]

guns in hk ?

[jovial vault]

mhm

[solar jacinth]

[fair rampart]

I wanna start modding at hollow knight how to start do you guys have an advice

[hazy sentinel]

don't

[solemn rivet]

^

Do you want to install mods or make your own mods?

[solemn rivet]

Mino and Khan: Do you think a maths only stream, with no gaming going on, would be interesting to watch?

[jovial vault]

Id be up for it

[solemn rivet]

[safe hamlet]

@gilded lotus very nice regardless

[solemn rivet]

Oh yeah, nicely done zaliant!

[safe hamlet]

gradow stream physics

[jovial vault]

physucks

[safe hamlet]

nou

[jovial vault]

physics is just maths lite

[trim totem]

yes it would gradow

feel free to ping me

[copper nacelle]

me too thanks

[weak lodge]

me also

[jovial vault]

gradow turn on streamer mode so that it shows whenever you stream

become a real gamer

[honest walrus]

is there a mod or so that fixes controller issues on Linux? (game crashes if controller is connected or gets connected)
seems to only happen when the controller is ran through steam, and doesnt recognize any input when its a "generic input device" gamepay

Heard rumours on the googlery that the unity version it is built against has a regression on controller support

[copper nacelle]

I can try rebuilding the API against the Linux assembly

It has a slight difference in the incontrol section

[honest walrus]

it crashes regardless of if the modding api is installed or not, just to clarify

[copper nacelle]

o

then no

if you have a stacktrace I could try and fix it idk

[jovial vault]

ask angle perhaps?

[honest walrus]

ill ask them for the stacktrace, give me a second

https://pastebin.com/raw/JgABeVfc here we go

[safe hamlet]

@solemn rivet me also thanks

[jovial vault]

gradow's maths fanclub

[honest walrus]

i get a knife? D:

thats not a knife how does one read

[copper nacelle]

lmao

[unborn flicker]

I just realized City Crest might actually be useful

I think you can get to Basin with a Baldur Kill, CH, City Crest, and a Simple Key

Incredible

Time to put that into logic 😎 even though the randomizer still wouldn't be able to give crest and key in that progression chain

It is now my life's mission to create a randomizer and a seed where you have to take that route to get to wings at Void Heart

[honest walrus]

why do i dare use your fork again? D: this sounds horrifying

[unborn flicker]

I don't know if I could really make that Basin access part of easy mode though, considering the closest real bench would be Leg Eater 😫

How do other item randomizers normally handle compound item progression?

I think I've seen ones which randomly place items and test against logic, and ones which randomly place items up to a certain point, and then force progression placement when down to the last location?

[shy cloak]

@solemn rivet not deleting his livestream post... BAN HIM FROM LIVESTREAMS BENJ

[sweet birch]

Item randomizer?

I'm interested now

does it randomize charm locations?

[unborn flicker]

So I guess I'm thinking of this as a potential randomization method:

• Place all geo pickups, to prevent these from ending up in shops
• Fill accessible locations randomly until only one is left
• Get list of progression items which unlock new locations
  --- If the list is nonempty, choose one to force into the remaining location
  --- If the list is empty and there are no more locations, place remaining items into shops
  --- If the list is empty and there are more locations, try placing progression items into shops. If too many are placed there, get new seed and restart (the cases where this happens should be rare)

[sweet birch]

what do you mean by pathological geo placement

[unborn flicker]

hmmm, it could actually happen from other things too I suppose

[sweet birch]

WHAT IS PATHOLOGICAL GEO PLACEMENT

[unborn flicker]

Item randomizer has been around for well over a year

[sweet birch]

i know

I'm asking if it randomizes charms

[jovial vault]

it does

with the exception of kingsoul and voidheart i believe

[young walrus]

"I know it's been around for over a year." Doesn't know what it does

(x)

[sweet birch]

I DO KNOW WHAT IT DOES

just not all of it

[jovial vault]

🤔

[young walrus]

(x)

[safe hamlet]

did you also know that you are annoying?

[sweet birch]

I'm sorry.

[solemn rivet]

Dapper, you've seen nothing

[safe hamlet]

it's ok

[sweet birch]

So you're saying I could pick up Grubberfly's elegy where FOTF is

[solemn rivet]

Sure

[weak lodge]

a2 fotf mod when gradow

[safe hamlet]

you could

hey knightmere

[weak lodge]

yes

[solemn rivet]

Wdym knightmere

[silk jetty]

doesnt fotf always turn into geo though?

[weak lodge]

hk berserker mode when

[safe hamlet]

watchers of lurien when

[weak lodge]

sid

[solemn rivet]

I did do that tho

[silk jetty]

or was that changed

[weak lodge]

sid

[safe hamlet]

knightmere

[weak lodge]

im very determined to be a disappointment

[solemn rivet]

That's on sean's rando2, Adrain

[silk jetty]

oh

so you're making a new randomizer eh?

[solemn rivet]

But I think homothety's gives more flexibility

[safe hamlet]

just do it

[unborn flicker]

If geo chests and charms are randomized, fury is replaced by geo in my randomizer

[safe hamlet]

also sean's summon mod is quite hot

[weak lodge]

sid id rather spend my time elsewhere

so

eventually

™

[solemn rivet]

@fair rampart here

[sweet birch]

I wouldn't randomize geo chests

[honest walrus]

then dont enable the option? :p

[solemn rivet]

You can do that with homothety's randomizer

[honest walrus]

really like that those have toggles

[fair rampart]

I wanna start modding but I dunno how to create a workspace have you got an advice

[solemn rivet]

Do you have VS?

[sweet birch]

I don't have it on the PC

[solemn rivet]

what

[unborn flicker]

Gradow is helping someone learn how to make mods

[solemn rivet]

EPICname, do you have visual studio or any other .net c# compiler

[sweet birch]

I want to make a refined version of Exaltation.

[solemn rivet]

wdym by refined?

[sweet birch]

Some of the things were a little too overpowered

like quickslash

[silk jetty]

doesnt that reduce damage though?

the exalted quickslash

significantly faster attack speed but less damage

[sweet birch]

Yeah

[safe hamlet]

wait what's exaltation mod?

[silk jetty]

it's a mod to put back in the charm glorification thing that tc scrapped

[sweet birch]

It upgrades charms for godhome

[safe hamlet]

i see

[sweet birch]

But quickslash's glorified upgrade had NO SWING SPEED CAP

[solemn rivet]

I don't see an issue

[silk jetty]

the cap was every other frame if you can somehow press the attack button that fast

[shy cloak]

@unborn flicker why alter the current randomization?

[solemn rivet]

to add rules