I'm still used to looking at LttP / SM logic, where you have to count E-tanks and keys for dungeons etc
#archived-modding-development
unborn flicker
shy cloak
Ooooh
shy cloak
No you were right mick
unborn flicker
yeah, you had it
young walrus
aren't they just ints?
unborn flicker
those are fake bools
young walrus
the game actually tracks specific spots?
shy cloak
simple1 is just "I have a key or more", simple4 is "I have all 4"
unborn flicker
like hasVengefulSpirit is another fake bool used by randomizer
young walrus
I suppose it'd be tracked in the scene so you can't pick it up
shy cloak
Yeah he overrode the PD.GetBool function
shy cloak
it's a phony. a big fat phony
unborn flicker
well, actually that's something else, the logic parsing just uses the name of the item. But there are fake bools for each key elsewhere
shy cloak
do you ever use SIMPLE4 in the logic yet?
young walrus
so.... if you wanted to be exhaustive, you could set up the logic to place the max number of usable key spots so you can't softlock
unborn flicker
Yeah, it's on Godtuner, to prevent a key from being locked out
shy cloak
I could see SIMPLE2 being used, since only 2 are useful... right?
young walrus
based on where logic wants you to progress
unborn flicker
so Godtuner can't have progression with the current algorithm
young walrus
so it's always a key
gotcha
you'd have to know to talk to her to get it though
but that's a good solution
shy cloak
Neat dude 😃 I really enjoy your progress homothety. GG
unborn flicker
Right now, the item is just already on the ground like Abyss Shriek etc
young walrus
but then couldn't you just get an easier key that way?
or does it only show up if you used one there
unborn flicker
Yeah, so right now there's no reason to use the last key, but I'll fix it eventually
A really easy way would be to destroy it until you unlock the coffin, but then you'd have to reset the room for the item
young walrus
what QoL things did you have in mind
unborn flicker
I'm planning on putting a hint shop at Jiji. Rancid eggs for random item + area name
Probably will jack up Tuk's prices to compensate
young walrus
hmm
unborn flicker
I didn't have a good idea for Pleasure House, so I figured I'd put geo there
shy cloak
I think I like the hints idea? I'm not sure
unborn flicker
It'll have a pretty low chance of giving a useful hint though
young walrus
I like the hints idea. so yeah, if you weight it, might not be too OP
shy cloak
Maybe an increasing cost, 1 egg for low tier hint, 2 eggs for mid, 5 eggs for progression hint or something
young walrus
so he's just dead
unborn flicker
Yeah, that's an easier patch for it
shy cloak
I like the hints if Tuk's gone
unborn flicker
I was going to make Tuk eggs cost 600-800, but that works too
shy cloak
I'm one to talk though, making the cheaters map
unborn flicker
He does
So there's 21 eggs on Steel Soul, and at most 100 eggs at any given time on normal
young walrus
wouldn't it be more than that?
unborn flicker
You can only buy 80
young walrus
cuz tuk sells up to 80
shy cloak
Oh shit I didn't know that
young walrus
oh I see what you mean
nvm
I thought for some reason the max was 88
don't remember where I saw that though
shy cloak
wow yeah so even with full eggs, you wouldn't be able to hint every location
although by the time you got to Tuk, maybe you could
unborn flicker
But yeah, I'll be very open to rebalancing once I have it working
young walrus
keeping the hints really vague could help too
shy cloak
dang premature optimizations
unborn flicker
My initial idea is 3 hints, each of which has a 1/3 chance of being non-charm progression
young walrus
so don't say exactly what it is
The pilgrims path can be found in a realm covered with snow
unborn flicker
basically this, but with the item name replacing "dark stain"
shy cloak
Using the seed for the RNG chance I hope
two people racing and getting different hints would suck
unborn flicker
But if people want to suggest alternate item names, that's easy to implement
young walrus
What's the name of the path at the beginning of the game
is it the Pilgrim's way?
something like that
so maybe just label intended progression items as that
another vague label for "good" items
another for geo
and another for dung items
that way you're not just searching for hints that tells you where like... CH is
cuz CH could be progression or a good item
may not always know what intended progress item is
shy cloak
5th label for go mode items?
unborn flicker
I wouldn't have it base hints off of the intended progression order or something
When I said progression items earlier, I meant all progression, used or unused
young walrus
so it'd only cycle between the 3 hints?
and wouldn't even necessarily help you in the end?
young walrus
1/3 chance might be too strong for that, but hard to say tbh
maybe scale it based on how many hints since the last good hint
cuz otherwise, sly egg to jiji would be super strong
unborn flicker
Fair point. There's a lot of new progression items now, though
young walrus
because keys?
unborn flicker
So it's not quite as op as it used to be
Yeah, Brand, Love Key, Elegant Key, Shop key, 4 simple keys, tram pass, city crest
young walrus
love key?
unborn flicker
All "progression items" but not something you want hints for
young walrus
you just mean the spot?
unborn flicker
Yeah, I randomized the item behind it too
unborn flicker
yup
young walrus
oh boy
young walrus
could have a hint based on "something that will make you stronger" being either a spell or ore
solar jacinth
what are you guys talking bout ? a guide ?
unborn flicker
Stuff like that does seem pretty good
young walrus
based on what you're saying though, 1/3 could be okay
cuz yeah, progression will be more convoluted
which is a good thing
we didn't have enough progression blocks before
shy cloak
not a guide sugar; scroll up for full context
solar jacinth
ok
unborn flicker
To make Lantern logic work, you now start with Lantern on easy mode, and the CP toll is interactable in the dark only if you didn't randomize the "key" pool
I didn't see that as a big deal, really
young walrus
why?
unborn flicker
Which part?
young walrus
so dark room can never be forced anymore?
unborn flicker
Dark room can be forced with early dive
But Lantern is also a progression item in vanilla
And if you choose to play with the old randomization, then dark room works the same way it currently does
Since the game assumes you can buy it from the shop
young walrus
yeah but with hard settings, the lantern is never even required
so it wouldn't be a progression block
except for that one toll
everywhere else, it'd be skill based
but that'll be removed now
unborn flicker
Yeah, that toll is the only place lantern is required on hard in logic
If you want to get into Crystal Peaks, find Lantern or Dive
If you want to go to Resting Grounds, find Tram Pass or Dive
shy cloak
Dark Toll Requires Lantern should be an option; even on hard. I think is what Mick is saying
young walrus
yeah. if you're making everything else an option toggle, why take away that option too
shy cloak
because you don't need the lantern anywhere else, even places that that toll unlocks
young walrus
a hard option to remove the lantern entirely would be interesting too imo
unborn flicker
Don't randomize Lantern then if you don't want logic based around Lantern?
young walrus
complicates no eyes a little bit
unborn flicker
I could make a no lantern mode down the road maybe
shy cloak
Oh okay yeah if lantern is its own toggle
unborn flicker
I don't really care about it though
shy cloak
ofc if/when i do logic packs... lul
young walrus
that's basically the same thing I guess. turning that item rando or not
shy cloak
yeah
unborn flicker
Lantern is in the same toggle as the other keys, because that is what it is. The current system is weird and completely unlike the actual game
young walrus
I like the 1800 barrier to convenience
shy cloak
are item prices ever rando'd? i actually don't know that about current rando
young walrus
it's not quite the same though as other keys, because it also makes traversal easier
shy cloak
like is unbreakable strength always 240 or whatever it is, or do they take other prices in the "price pool"?
For example, if you put lantern in a chest, can another rando'd item be 1800 geo?
unborn flicker
Everything has a randomized price
young walrus
so treating it as only a key doesn't factor in the effect it has on those rooms too
unborn flicker
Nothing will cost 1800
On hard mode, it's assumed that you have the skill to not need lantern for convenience
young walrus
could you..... create another item?
that only opens the CP toll?
CP key
then lantern still functions normally
shy cloak
hm. I like the idea of shop prices being shuffled. problem though is if say BALDURS is locked behind 1800; then you'd have to have geo in logic somehow
unborn flicker
I'm sure that would be possible
young walrus
decouple the functions then
so you still have to find the progression
but don't gain the convenience of lantern from it
young walrus
someone should make a mod like that
unborn flicker
I see it as more likely that there ends up being a mode which leaves dark rooms as dark, rather than that
young walrus
unborn flicker
That just seems a little too niche to put into the standard settings
young walrus
leaving dark rooms dark?
that's super niche
a bit of an overcompensation too probably. definitely easier to implement tho
unborn flicker
Or making a different item to open dark tolls, I mean
young walrus
I'm Just picturing a future where people never play out dark room intended seeds anymore
cuz if they don't find lantern for that intended progression, and only dive, they just quit
and never learn it
because presumably, dark room being forced would happen far less often now
unborn flicker
Hmmm, I do see what you're saying, but that's an issue in general with hard
young walrus
so doing it would be more of an edge case
and creating more of a barrier to trying hard seeds
unborn flicker
Most people in the tournament didn't really know spike tunnels or CH shade skip or Deepnest dark rooms
young walrus
even though it's not hard to do
unborn flicker
I look at it as allowing more branching paths early on
You don't always know which area Crossroads will open
young walrus
at the start of the tournament, people sucked at dark rooms, and it's a huge area of concern for newer rando players
unborn flicker
Whereas Resting Grounds is currently an extremely overpowered option with 2+2+2 items
leaden hedge
people suck at dark rooms in general
young walrus
I'm talking myself the other way now
cuz hard mode should be more accessible
which branching paths would allow
but then it'd be a hard stop for those players if they got a dark room seed
Which the current OP resting grounds forces them to learn sooner
unborn flicker
Maybe
unborn orbit
Mod request
Make Salubra shut the fuck up
shy cloak
i thought that was already a thing
young walrus
it is
unborn orbit
shy cloak
What mod is it, is it part of the QoL one?
unborn flicker
Ok, first major update is on github now:
https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod
shy cloak
PogChamp
unborn flicker
Here's the mod, if anyone else wants to test it or try it out. (Hopefully) aren't any bugs
shy cloak
Of course there will be bugs, it's Hollow Knight
unborn flicker
solemn basin
What kind of randomizer mod is that?
unborn flicker
It's item randomizer
gilded lotus
a random randomizer
shy cloak
not just progression and charms anymore (tm)
shy cloak
probably not relics, but lots of extra locations
gilded lotus
so i can get a rancid egg for killing false knight 
shy cloak
reading the commit, specifically items.xml would probably explain the changes the best
gilded lotus
you're speaking a language beyond me
unborn flicker
If you go to the github page, the readme explains the new update
gilded lotus
i'll read it but if i cant get a rancid egg from false knight i'm going to be very disappointed
shy cloak
solemn basin
Nice!
gilded lotus
i read it and it doesnt make any sense to me
unborn flicker
gilded lotus
yes
shy cloak
start at line 848 and look at the lines starting with <item name=
that'll show you all the new items that are randomized
gilded lotus
i dont understand coding language or anything that isn't extremely simplified english
shy cloak
city crest, lantern, simple keys, other keys, king's brand, godtuner, collector's map
bruh
i gave simplified english instructions
literally look at line 848, then every line that starts with <item name= is a new item that'll be randomized
gilded lotus
they werent simple enough for me
gilded lotus
i didnt understand the readme 🤷
shy cloak
I'm fairly certain you're trolling at this point
gilded lotus
think what you wnat but im not
shy cloak
then i can't help you
unborn flicker
It's like the randomizer that's on the modinstaller
If you haven't played it before, then this is bound to be confusing
gilded lotus
i've done 1 playthrough of it but that's it
fair rampart
Hello
gilded lotus
goodbye
fair rampart
I’m just wondering how to even do modded
And if I wanna do the multiplayer mod does the other person need the game
Or if I can be we share screens
Multiplayer mod doesn't exist
gilded lotus
i think it's local, where the other player controls a dreamshield or something, @rain cedar would know more about it
fair rampart
oh i swear i saw something about it
fair rampart
so these are use for multiplayer
gilded lotus
WIP
gilded lotus
check back in like a month or two
cause people in school
i think itll be done by then
maybe
gilded lotus
btw @unborn flicker i dont speak coding at all but i see you putting in effort so i appreciate your work 👍
weak lodge
homogodty
unborn flicker
thank you :)
I was going to say, though, that #archived-modding-help just reminded me
If anyone has good one-liners to add to the shop descriptions of the new items, or the old items, you should contribute to the logic spreadsheet 
and then I will take your ideas
or just give me ideas directly, since we all know the first part isn't happening 
shy cloak
I think itd be hogodety
Clover I'm slowly but surely working towards a half assed internet multiplayer. It's going to start with shared inventory coop and then separated multiworld for rando, then I'll probably add graphics for the other player, though I have a feeling it'll be too tricky to actually sync enemies etc, so it'll be like playing with a ghost on screen. Maybe possibly eventually but probably not proper multiplayer some day
gilded lotus
@safe hamlet i did it
safe hamlet
you did what?
gilded lotus
pv 2x
gilded lotus
1hp as usual
safe hamlet
you mean 1hp remaining?
safe hamlet
o
gilded lotus
yeah
safe hamlet
lol
gilded lotus
ima do 2.25 when i get my 240hz
safe hamlet
solemn basin
Congrats Zaliant!
Have you also found more seedless fruit as a victory celebration?
gilded lotus
do seedless kiwis exist
leaden hedge
most people from new zealand have no seeds
gilded lotus
KDt is it "easy" to have 2 bosses at once?
you have some experience with NGG so im asking you
leaden hedge
GameObject ngg2 = Instantiate(ngg);
if you wanna sync them up it'd be more annoying
gilded lotus
i wanna do 2 PV at once 🤔
leaden hedge
do you want them to be just 2 at a time or, actually work together like mantis lords
gilded lotus
just 2 of them at a time, like NGG, but from the start
gilded lotus
@safe hamlet wanna do me a favor 
leaden hedge
ngg also gives them both a lot of hp, and checks if the maxhp*2-(ngg1hp+ngg2hp) < whatever
so you can deal damage to either and it counts for both
gilded lotus
ties them together and doubles the amount in laymen termss?
leaden hedge
its just an easier way off doing
(maxhp - ngg1hp) + (maxhp - ngg2hp) < whatever
warped sinew
Homodeity is better
weak lodge
this
gilded lotus
do you guys think graig is cute irl
leaden hedge
have you seen graig irl
fair rampart
goatee
leaden hedge
graig streams, and is in pictures 🤔
floral furnace
he ages faster due to playtesting ss 18 hours a day
drifting glade
Graig give me Silksong info
rain cedar
you play as hornet
safe hamlet
@gilded lotus PV?
gilded lotus
2 pv's
gilded lotus
yeet
safe hamlet
you know this creates ton of unavoidable damage, right?
you know i am not gonna fix them, right?
gilded lotus
hm?
safe hamlet
don't give me hm?
leaden hedge
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
rain cedar
?
gilded lotus
?
safe hamlet
i meant that i am not gonna bother trying to make it not have unavoidable damage
for ex: since pv1 could do a spike pilllar and pv2 also do spike pillar at the save time but slightly offset
it could cover the whole arena
solemn rivet
maths stream tonight?
unborn flicker
Jiji eat egg https://streamable.com/hxnrw
I almost feel like I'm getting the hang of fsms though
safe hamlet
you wanna try it?
gilded lotus
sure
safe hamlet
i need to fix the hp thing first
gilded lotus
mino i did it
jovial vault
PV 2x?
gilded lotus
ye
jovial vault
Congrats dude!
gilded lotus
ima go faster when i get my new monitor 
jovial vault
Oof good luck
safe hamlet
god damn i am dumb
jovial vault
Relatable
safe hamlet
so to check the health i was doing 1850 + 1850 <= 3700, and i was wondering why the PVs were instantly dying
when it should be double that
gilded lotus
🤔
jovial vault
Double PV mod sounds like a nightmare
jovial vault
Zaliant himself is a madman
Also sid are ap tests precurved or are they curved on students performance
Just curious tbh
safe hamlet
i believe they are curved based on the average
some say that they are based on how some college students who take it perform on it?
but it's not explicit, so no one knows really
jovial vault
🤔
cb in general is a big pensive
intl students got the worst curve in the history of the sat so im wondering how they handle aps
safe hamlet
really?
jovial vault
should probably just give the act considering how ass the last few intl curves have been
Yeah the curve was pretty brutal
gilded lotus
wait i'm confused on why it should be double 3700 @safe hamlet
safe hamlet
it shouldn't be double
that's where i was dumb dumb
it should be 1850 + 1850 <= 1850
safe hamlet
because i was killing them when their both health combined was <= 3700 which they were at the beginning
i should be killing them when their combined health is <= 1800, which is fixed one
safe hamlet
so
let's say pv1 = health of Pure Vessel 1 and pv2 = health of pure Vessel two and both values of p1 and pv2 are initially 1850
as the fight goes on their health decreases and if i want to count the damage being done to both of them, i need to took at their health combined
so i do pv1 + pv2 <= 1850, so for example if i did 1000 damage to pv1 and 850 pv2, i would win, and the battle would end
gilded lotus
yeah cause it's pv1 plus pv2
and the <= is their collective
the 3700 but dying instantly confuses me
leaden hedge
1850 + 1850 <= 3700 = true
gilded lotus
i mean i dont need to know i'm just curious
i may be retarded but i like learning new stuff
safe hamlet
it's like this
pv1 = 1850
pv2 = 1850
//this would work because their combined health (pv1 + pv2) is initially 3700 and i would need to get their combined health down to 1850
if (pv1 + pv2 <= 1850)
killthemwithfire();
//this wouldn't work because it would be true instantly
if (pv1 + pv2 <= 3750)
killthemwithfire();
so cause you entered something that was true by default the game just killed them instantly?
safe hamlet
yea basically
copper nacelle
what
Given hp values a and b
When a + b <= 3750
Execute both entities
a + b is always <= 3750
gilded lotus
OH
copper nacelle
so they will always be executed
gilded lotus
that's what killthemwithfire means
copper nacelle
:maggotPrime:
safe hamlet
yes 
gilded lotus
im learning slowly
hey i know nothing about this you cant blame me
you cn make fun of me sure but you cant blame me
lol
safe hamlet
it's ready
:feelsevilman:
that health thing took way long to figure out
i wanted to work on markoth too 
gilded lotus
(tbh every time i see someone doing emotes to me i feel like they're lowkey making fun of me)
safe hamlet
don't worry, i would never make fun of you 😤
gilded lotus
lmao
safe hamlet
tbh once you beat PV 2x, you can't be made fun of
gilded lotus
i know that even if someone is it's in good fun
safe hamlet
just tell them you beat PV 2x
gilded lotus
everyone here is pretty cool
gilded lotus
gilded lotus
bumping the speed up cause it's giving me aids
safe hamlet
2x 2 PV 
gilded lotus
lmao
its like always having to dodge the daggers
while having the other one use another attack on you
jovial vault
zaliant are you by any chance a masochist
gilded lotus
nani
idk i just like obscenely hard things
anything that pushes me to be better at something
gilded lotus
video games are the only thing im good at
jovial vault
music
gilded lotus
i dont think i'm very good at it
idk structure very much
holy fuck 2 PV's is actually fun
as hell
it's like bullet hell
gilded lotus
idk
im nowhere compared to graig & cranky and jngo
they are so much more consistent
jovial vault
those people have had multiple years
also you know you can get better
where you are rn in life or playing hk isn't where youll be in the future
gilded lotus
eh, meh
i've always been a person to peak early and never improve lmao
OKAY HELP
THERE ARE 2 PALE PRINCES
jovial vault
very nice
unborn flicker
Not perfect, but here it is: https://streamable.com/39ulu
gilded lotus
man i predicted that
safe hamlet
that's nice
gilded lotus
im a god
safe hamlet
are you doing room rando as well?
gilded lotus
@ornate rivet i now know your full name
safe hamlet
better incorporate room rando into yours :^)
jovial vault
doxx saleh
jovial vault
saleh has the most stereotypical persian name idk what i expected
copper nacelle
I mean it's on his github
jovial vault
56 just doxxes himself, madlad
gilded lotus
1.5 pp or 2 pv's
jovial vault
1.5 whole pps, wow zaliant
copper nacelle
1.5x 2 pps
gilded lotus
god
jovial vault
god who?
unborn flicker
Oh, does anyone know if anything else requests shadeMapZone other than Jiji? Right now the hint seed increments on the getplayerstring hook
gilded lotus
came outta nowhere with a 1.5 rad absrad, i cant compete with that
fair rampart
fuck I beat it but my recording doesn't have audio
safe hamlet
o
fair rampart
no, double pv
gilded lotus
post
fair rampart
fair rampart
HP seems very low
fair rampart
I used the DLL you posted earlier
safe hamlet
yea it is, it's just PV's default HP but you can hit either for the damage to count
hmmm
i swear i made the roar a bit better
what should the HP be then? like double that?
fair rampart
sounds good
safe hamlet
yea it seems like i posted the old dll
gilded lotus
calm down jngo lmao
safe hamlet
alright try this
the roar should be better, hopefully
as in you won't get the forced hit hopefully
gilded lotus
define "better"
safe hamlet
just did
gilded lotus
i hit that at the same time you typed htat
gilded lotus
copper nacelle
any mod not in the installer does that
safe hamlet
time to add double vessel to the installer 😩
maybe i can actually make this a proper mod
where there's no forced damage
but that could just remove the fun
me: tries to do it without infinite hp, dies instantly
gilded lotus
^
fair rampart
let's see if the shortened intro with QoL helps
safe hamlet
o wait, i might know why
yea I have QoL on
prolly should have thought about that lol
gilded lotus
yeah qol on fixes it
safe hamlet
i will prolly try to make it sync in the future
jovial vault
i like how sid is slowly getting more and more invested in this mod
safe hamlet
same
jovial vault
🐌
gilded lotus
jovial vault
is this sid
gilded lotus
yes
jovial vault
now they're doing double vessel mm
jovial vault
nice
🤔 there's some overgrowth stuff i want to do instead of studying
this is unfortunate
gilded lotus
i should get to listening to some woodsy songs
so i can actually understand what to write to
jovial vault
nice, have fun
safe hamlet
gn
jovial vault
gilded lotus
work on overgrowth stuff 😠
gilded lotus
it looks great
gilded lotus
make of this what you will but the thing that screams "HK' to me is the masks
jovial vault
her head?
gilded lotus
the whole white mask thing kinda yeah
im not offering solutions
but thats just what i think of when i think HK characters
jovial vault
no that's fine the solutions i can figure out. ive been staring at her design for a while so getting new opinions is vital
alright
a few friends of mine were saying that she still feels very bug-ish
which is kinda ehh when we're based on flowers and plants
gilded lotus
i dont think it's a bad thing
gilded lotus
i dont know much about anything so i cant weigh in
jovial vault
w/e your opinions or thoughts are is fine
jovial vault
you do know what she looks like tho
gilded lotus
that it yeha
jovial vault
that's all you need to criticise something tbh
gilded lotus
well like i cant say give face and hair if she's bug or somethin like that
jovial vault
she's a flower
gilded lotus
having a blossom flower or petal or w/e they're called could be a good asthetic
https://puu.sh/DtTJB/100b93101c.png like petals
solar jacinth
congrats on pv 2 x zaliant
gilded lotus
congrats on being alive
solar jacinth
solar jacinth
ok......
honest walrus
@unborn flicker attempted to use your randomizer dll, got [ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException: The classes in the module cannot be loaded. at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.Assembly:GetTypes (bool) at System.Reflection.Assembly.GetExportedTypes () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 my bad if you have corrected this and i didnt catch it
rain cedar
I think he's merged in the preload change so you'll need the most updated API
honest walrus
ah, thanks, ill try with that later
honest walrus
@rain cedar that fixed it, thanks 
where are the happy grubs
jovial vault
honest walrus
i am just blind, i see D:
glass surge
Wait @gilded lotus are you making the death counter?
jovial vault
No, Sid might be however
shy cloak
Zalient how close have you come to 2x PV finish I wonder
jovial vault
zaliant beat PV 2x actually
honest walrus
i can hardly beat one of them 
solemn rivet
He means PV with double speed, not 2 PVs
jovial vault
😔
solemn rivet
Yeah, dapper was asking about 2 PVs and mino replied saying he beat the double speed one
safe hamlet
o
floral furnace
why not both
safe hamlet
i am dumb
floral furnace
hi dumb
safe hamlet
2x 2 PP is where it’s at
solemn rivet
Call it DP and I'm sold
copper nacelle
floral furnace
maggotprime
solemn rivet
How's balancing going TTacco
safe hamlet
DP?
floral furnace
wait what now
solemn rivet
Is it done yet
floral furnace
Memefire?
solemn rivet
Ye
solemn rivet
Buonfire
floral furnace
i havent started at all yet, im just picking up concepts for now on what to do, roadmaps
plus last 2 hell weeks, thesis defense and exams week
solemn rivet
So you're saying you give up
floral furnace
and i need to find a shitty job training
solemn rivet
Gotcha
solemn rivet
floral furnace
im just saying, i cant give up yet, when i havent even started yet 😩
safe hamlet
i will do it
floral furnace
yeah, we need to defend it at monday
solemn rivet
What's it about
hazy sentinel
defend what
solemn rivet
Their honor
hazy sentinel
the beaches of Normandy?
floral furnace
i wish
something about text summarization about lstm or some bs like that, we just modified the existing one from another sorry bunch that ALSO modified it from yet ANOTHER sorry bunch
safe hamlet
thesis defense 
dusky lion
Stalingrad?
solemn rivet
Third sorry bunch
safe hamlet
hmmmm
floral furnace
then presumably die from starvation within the 1st week
safe hamlet
make dating sim instead
solemn rivet
No u
floral furnace
effort
solemn rivet
56 comes into the room
floral furnace
its just gonna be a 20 hour setup for a "hornet is void" punchline
solemn rivet
You notice a bulge
OwO what's this? - you say
It's my PP- he says, unleashing his PP
You can take it from there
floral furnace
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
solemn rivet
Wow, it's so hard! - you say, flabbergasted
floral furnace
56 pay us 5 bucks and well make you killable character
safe hamlet
solemn rivet
Sure
floral furnace
well an rpgmaker fangame about inside joke and hornet is void memes sounds ok
solemn rivet
Make 56 a character that never sleeps in time and is like those skyrim essential npcs - can be brought to 1hp,but not killed
safe hamlet
that is actually 56
copper nacelle
floral furnace
obligatory i got dissapointed i couldnt kill an entire town's npc just because of a shitty essential system when it went against my character RP
thanks skyrim
hazy sentinel
how do I kill a witness when the witness is essential smh my head Todd Howard
floral furnace
its Markarth for me, everyone in that city deserved to die
glass surge
How's the death counter coming Sid?
solemn rivet
Oh Sid is making one?
floral furnace
very much pensive mr todd sir but i will still buy your game for the 35th time
safe hamlet
i just need to figure out how to draw it
safe hamlet
overall
floral furnace
just copy the canvasutil code from hpbars
glass surge
Per boss could be cool as well,
solemn rivet
Got it
safe hamlet
pay me and i will do it
floral furnace
not steal because its free real estate
glass surge
Oh yeah it could display under hp
safe hamlet
:feesevilman:
solemn rivet
It's fugly tho TTacco
solemn rivet
You can use imgui too
But it's even worse
Even if it is simpler to use
Bonfire uses it
safe hamlet
o
solemn rivet
KDT made a mockup up a canvasutil leveling system for bonfire
safe hamlet
i prefer simple
safe hamlet
btw do you know how to stop a battle from ending when the enemy has been defeated in hall of gods?
i can find it, i am outside rn too
floral furnace
did you implement that canvas util code yet gradow?
safe hamlet
yea couldn’t find it
solemn rivet
Never TTacco
safe hamlet
56 prolly knows
shy cloak
wait really I was literally just about to use canvas utils
floral furnace
im guessing you were done with memefire by the time KDT showed it to you?
oh shit mino just in time, question, how deep are you into other modding projects
safe hamlet
yes
solemn rivet
Use them, dapper
jovial vault
i like someone will toss out a modding thing they want to do and sid will be like "i'll do it for you"
safe hamlet
deep
jovial vault
what do you need me to do ttacco?
solemn rivet
Canvasutil is way better than imgui
jovial vault
i am my cat's
floral furnace
well just have to split him then
safe hamlet
you can’t hire him
shy cloak
maybe i misunderstood ttaco's question
jovial vault
i am my cat's
floral furnace
well just have to split him then
solemn rivet
Mino came to my stream once
shy cloak
It looks like the boss transitions are in the FSM stuff, 003
solemn rivet
Checkmate
shy cloak
maybe i misunderstood ttaco's question, gradow
jovial vault
i am my cat's
floral furnace
what question
safe hamlet
which GO, dapper
shy cloak
about the canvasutils
jovial vault
there's enough mino to go around lads 
shy cloak
what's GO
solemn rivet
Oh he asked me about bonfire
floral furnace
i was just asking him if he implemented the code made by KDT
safe hamlet
gamepbject
shy cloak
oh durp
safe hamlet
i can’t spell
jovial vault
also 🤔 im not a guy i dont go by he/him
solemn rivet
Yeah, TTacco, I had completely abandoned the project at that point
floral furnace
mino uhh, once you are NOT busy, like, not busy at all, can you draw in HK style, if its ok with you
i see
dusky lion
smh tttacco
jovial vault
yeah sure!
shy cloak
i'm not really sure I was just looking at the FSM scenes / machines in the FSM viewer
dusky lion
you frci ckc cfr
safe hamlet
wait, you are not? 
jovial vault
no
safe hamlet
the heck
jovial vault
half of the server thought i was a guy before as well
it really is like that isnt it
jovial vault
also ttacco tell me the specifics of what you want
floral furnace
bi conditional
safe hamlet
o my bad, mino
jovial vault
listen u soggy taco don't get all polite and embarassed you know i won't say no to our collective nda breaching of silksong
dw it's cool o/
floral furnace
weathered looking ak47, that fits HK's art style
shy cloak
"guns that fit HK art" uhhh
jovial vault
listen it's art dont question it
floral furnace
specific request i know but i digress
shy cloak
LOL
jovial vault
do you need the knight holding it
floral furnace
no need
jovial vault
oki doki
floral furnace
that would be too hard
jovial vault
yeah ill get back to you in a few hours once im done studying
safe hamlet
yea dapper, i did the same, couldn’t find specifically what did it
jovial vault
i mean you can literally copy paste it onto the sprites
floral furnace
dont bother with anims its gonna take way too much work
i just wanna stop using rimworld's sprite
jovial vault
like i'll do them but they'll be slow until the 29th if that's fine with you
jovial vault
big pensive
safe hamlet
yes
jovial vault
LISTEN gradow
floral furnace
we must
jovial vault
floral furnace
not until silksong comes out
solemn rivet
It's not even a question anymore
safe hamlet
we gotta ping william and ari when we are done
floral furnace
actually if you can, make seperate layers of the knights hand on the grip
if they see a weird ass dating sim im pretty sure theyre gonna stop developing silksong
jovial vault
ttacco dm me
floral furnace
aighty
solar jacinth
what is going on
jovial vault
im being compromised
solar jacinth
oh god oh fuck
solemn rivet
We're trying to take mino with us to the dark side
jovial vault
into doing art for strange people on the internet
jovial vault
let me live and take sugar as a sacrifice
solemn rivet
Nah
safe hamlet
you are already in the dark sode
jovial vault
sode
solemn rivet
It's no fun if they come voluntarily
solar jacinth
im in the dark sode
jovial vault
dork souols
solemn rivet
shy cloak
Does the canvas util add the Fleurs? or is that a different thing?
jovial vault
are you guys actually making this dating sim btw or is it an elaborate meme
solemn rivet
You need to add those yourself
shy cloak
kk
solemn rivet
50/50 mino
solar jacinth
they are doing it
floral furnace
half half
jovial vault
im going to come all the way to brazil cursing if i end up making art for this and it turns out to be a big joke
solemn rivet
Well
That just makes it easier for me to take you to the dark sode then, doesn't it?
I can literally drag you there at that point
solar jacinth
i just remebered that chat bot i made
sleepy me suprises me again
i made that when i was literally high for not sleeping
solemn rivet
Dapper: check enemyhpbar and debug to see kinda how the canvasutil works
shy cloak
Oh nice thanks Gradow
That's why you're modding staff tho you go above and beyond the questions :3
solemn rivet
Not really... I'm just trying to steer the conversation back into modding topics
safe hamlet
right..........
shy cloak
safe hamlet
gradow and talking about modding
solemn rivet
Not that we shouldn't mem and stuff
safe hamlet
x doubt
solemn rivet
Just not when there's actual modding going on
copper nacelle
do you still want to know how to end a hog battle
safe hamlet
yes
shy cloak
Error 0x80001337: Out of available meme
copper nacelle
Boss scene controller handles it
safe hamlet
o
copper nacelle
Gets an event "DREAM RETURN"
copper nacelle
note that there are 2 BossSceneControllers
One's an fsm
One's a class
Class triggers the FSM i think
safe hamlet
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
So you'll have to hook into the class preferably
safe hamlet
o
copper nacelle
safe hamlet
i see i see
copper nacelle
and by fsm i mean 3 fsms
shy cloak
Current API is 49?
safe hamlet
reee
copper nacelle
it's 50
safe hamlet
it keeps on adding
shy cloak
thanks 😃
copper nacelle
I don't think you'll care about tier 5 custom end
Considering that it's probably poh
copper nacelle
yeah
solemn rivet
Mino, were you there when I streamed math last week?
solemn rivet
oof
shy cloak
Mmm... So i know how to detect when a new game or a save game is loaded, but what's best hook to know when a game is quit? Like when someone goes back to menu?
copper nacelle
you can use a scene load hook
It loads Quit_to_Menu
You could make an fsm taking an event "QUIT TO MENU"
You could hook GameManager.ReturnToMainMenu
shy cloak
Nice dude thanks 😃
solar jacinth
np
shy cloak
ILSpy is neat but the search I can't quite get the hang of
copper nacelle
dnspy imo
floral furnace
uhh question you can alter sprites on runtime right?
copper nacelle
yeah
jovial vault
:^) ttacco nice
floral furnace
kk thanks
jovial vault
also what's the difference b/w ILspy and dnspy?
copper nacelle
different backends
jovial vault
ah i see
shy cloak
Scene Change "Quit_to_menu" is probably best, since emergency return also uses that
One uses LoadSceneAsync though; is that an issue?
copper nacelle
no
solar jacinth
np
shy cloak
mods are tools and I will use them as tools
solemn rivet
Use me daddy dapper
jovial vault
yeah so about working on the sim
solemn rivet
Don't worry mate
unborn flicker
Yesterday's version actually did have a couple of bugs, so here's a better version, with the new hint shop enabled
Ok, but no more modding this weekend. I have real work to do
shy cloak
pft quit your job