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#archived-modding-development
shy cloak
Wewt! Thanks mod 
rain cedar
I don't see any errors from moresaves
But there's ~3k lines of errors in the log from benchwarp
rain cedar
It's not gonna be anything randomizer does
API changes
Also never seen this before
And I hate it
Good reason I've never seen it before
leaden hedge
thats 56
rain cedar
Disgusting
Looks like menu state isn't updating properly
Stuck at MAIN_MENU, never goes to SAVE_PROFILES
If I log the one on UIManager.instance instead of the cached _uim it's fine
So there's two UIManagers
That's really not good
And idk how it's even possible
leaden hedge
nice
charred parrot
#singleton
charred parrot
I am insulted
copper nacelle
hi insulted
gilded lotus
hi lazy
rain cedar
MoreSaves breaks after a quit even without randomizer there
I'm gonna see if it breaks after a quit with an older API
Because if so it's not my problem
Feb 17 API-46, MoreSaves stops working after you quit back to menu
Not my problem
@copper nacelle fix your mods
copper nacelle
no thanks
brazen mortar
@copper nacelle fix your life
copper nacelle
oh ok
rain cedar
Just do some shit like csharp On.UIManager.Awake += (orig, self) => { orig(self); _uim = UIManager.instance; };
copper nacelle
_uim => UIManager.instance
rain cedar
I guess that also works
copper nacelle
I don't know why _uim even exists
rain cedar
Because caching is better
copper nacelle
true
UIManager.instance also used to throw if it wasn't set
I changed it like two api updates ago
dark wigeon
Just a few more days before school is out and I can finish the editor
Item duplication should be out by Wednesday probably? New scenes are also almost done but just bare scenes so no support for scene transitions unless you make them yourself
rain cedar
What do you mean by item duplication?
leaden hedge
probably putting existing items in other rooms
shy cloak
Hollow night crashes when using the enemy display in debug mod. "Too many heap sections in GC"... maybe the debug mod isn't clearing enemy references?
rain cedar
Yeah, debug has a lot of issues
shy cloak
ok no worries 😃 I don't usually use it anyway, I honestly forgot I had it on until I couldn't menu back to game
woah rando2 update 
rain cedar
It's nothing major
shy cloak
What does the preloader stuff do? Like what makes it different?
Wait maybe you mentioned already
rain cedar
It's different because it's fully handled by the API
Beforehand any preloading would have to be done at initialize by the mods
Which could cause issues of course, because multiple mods trying to load different scenes is a bad thing
The loading bar could be improved
Right now it just jumps forward after finishing with a scene
safe hamlet
wait, so how do we load stuff now then? or will it already be loaded?
rain cedar
For most mods you won't have to preload anything
But you can see here how its done in randomizer https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/RandomizerMod.cs#L125
The requested objects are then passed into Initialize as a Dictionary<sceneName, Dictionary<objectName, object>>
rain cedar
Yeah
safe hamlet
have the changes been pushed or no?
rain cedar
Yeah it's up
safe hamlet
alright nice
shy cloak
And that's by overriding GetPreloadNames()?
safe hamlet
looks like it
shy cloak
Neat
So the api is big and void of documentation. Anyone know off the top of their heads best hook for starting/loading into actual game? I've been using activeSceneChanged and filtering out menu scenes but that seems silly to me
shy cloak
haha
rain cedar
ModHooks.Instance.AfterSavegameLoadHook
safe hamlet
^
shy cloak
Works for new games too?
safe hamlet
there's a seperate one for that
shy cloak
Okay cool. Thanks 😃
safe hamlet
yea ModHooks has bunch of stuff, just use intellisense to look through them
jovial vault
if only someone would finish writing the api docs
shy cloak
LUL wish in one hand
jovial vault
Would be very helpful but i think kdt was writing them and hes busy rn
shy cloak
more saves mod doesn't show up on GH search grumble grumble scroll up grumble
shy cloak
44 seconds ago awesome
I was looking for 56's but like... that makes more sense. Thanks KDT
shy cloak
pfft
too many clicks
do i look like a clicker game guy?
cuz i am
If I ever get around to coop/multiworld stuff I want to have separate save files so I'm inspecting the magic of the mod
leaden hedge
theres also support for extra data and filtering of saves in modding api iirc
well you'd have to program in the filtering
shy cloak
"filtering"?
leaden hedge
saves should store which mods they were last loaded with
and you could make it only show certain ones based on that, or another piece of data
shy cloak
Oh okay! Hey that's neat
leaden hedge
also @copper nacelle I made you a collaborator on moresaves so you don't need to do pull request
honest walrus
@leaden hedge you got me covered mate, right? :^)
jovial vault
Also iirc saleh and 56 were making a multiplayer mod
leaden hedge
what are you doing here
honest walrus
looking at the randomizer code atm, i can see its logging the item shuffles, where exactly is this log?
leaden hedge
the log is in your save folder
honest walrus
ah
leaden hedge
are you on windows?
honest walrus
yup, i know where it is, thanks
shy cloak
modlog.txt i think
honest walrus
how you doing anyway @leaden hedge, im mostly here because of randomizer heh :p
leaden hedge
not really been up to much, not really wanted to mod celeste or hk
honest walrus
yea, understandable
i just recently got into some slow walking of HK and randomizer
4 minutes behind you on Any% :p
oh well, i shouldnt hijack the modding channel for this, thanks for the help though, got what i needed now
shy cloak
i wonder how much silksong will kill hk, especially the modding side of things
i secretly hope it's a bad game
leaden hedge
modding isn't super strict on off-topic stuff as its pretty slow 99% of the time
also did you make adding custom entites in ahorn easier yet @honest walrus
honest walrus
uhh, somewhat?
its always been easy though
i dont remember when you last looked at it
right, its been a while since you looked at Celeste stuff
https://streamable.com/qr680 you have this coming when i have time and motivation :p
leaden hedge
08/2018 ish
honest walrus
hmm, i can see it doesnt swap mask shards around, is that evil code wise, or just not a feature yet
leaden hedge
it works fine, it just isn't enabled
honest walrus
oh, is there a way to enabled it, or would i have to modify the code and recompile it myself?
leaden hedge
you'd have to add the feature, as its probably not in the repo
honest walrus
ah
leaden hedge
but it'd be similar to how incremental upgrades already work
but with health instead of dive/fireball
honest walrus
what does this do about those anyway?
i found shriek after hornet1 and upgrade at shape of unn, what if i ignored the drop at hornet?
im assuming it gives me the base version there instead
leaden hedge
first one you get gives you level1
honest walrus
figured :p
leaden hedge
but the main use is for racers
so awkward things are minimised
like elegy isn't randomised and neither is voidheart/kingsoul
honest walrus
i noticed it cleared out glass for me at soul master without dive, that was pretty nice
elegy is the grub grandpa right?
honest walrus
uhhh... that baldur totally closes
leaden hedge
are you telling people to do spitless
rain cedar
You're not locked in after getting the first item
honest walrus
elegy and masks being randomized would be uhh... fun and interesting
... super fun
honest walrus
its fun until i have to get all grubs to get compass...
rain cedar
It was already impossible for progression items to be at elegy
The problem was in bingo
honest walrus
feels bad man, how else would i get around
rain cedar
Where something like quick focus could be required
honest walrus
oh yea, thats some nice logic
unborn flicker
Right now I'm thinking I'm going to create a new label for "long" items
and a menu setting for how to randomize those
mellow elbow
Long?
unborn flicker
Easiest way to integrate them is to replace the bad locations with a geo pickup and put excess items into the shops
honest walrus
feels like the randomizer is very biased towards the early areas of the game for progression items though
unborn flicker
But there's no reason not to have alternate modes that use logic for them
honest walrus
i guess thats a problem with winning condition being just watchers
since you only need dash + claw + dream nail and any of crystal heart, tear or shade
honest walrus
hmm, not 100% sure, but maybe
leaden hedge
I don't think low% gets dash
unborn flicker
As long as you get claw first, dash isn't necessary
honest walrus
how do you get into fungal without dash?
unborn flicker
with claw
leaden hedge
fireball skip
leaden hedge
or claw
honest walrus
the one trick i havent bothered with yet
leaden hedge
but in low% its fireball
honest walrus
thats the only place i remember that needs dash at least
except for your sanity
so are there any cool features planned for the randomizer, or am i better off traumatizing @mellow elbow with all skills or something? :p
could always try to do something myself, doesnt look like the game is that evil in the modding department
leaden hedge
unborn flicker
I'm working on a fairly big update for the randomizer right now
honest walrus
but is it as spaghetti superglued to noodles like terraria?
leaden hedge
and all it did was keep track of hp and spawn hit effects, and on death geo
honest walrus
@unborn flicker so what are the cool features, if i may ask :p
young walrus
explosions
unborn flicker
I've already implemented randomization for keys and items, as well as toggles for which item pools are randomized
More stuff will be randomized later on too
honest walrus
so stuff like wanderer journal or whatever they are called?
hazy sentinel
add grubs to the pool
young walrus
lol. everyone thinks they want that
dusky lion
because they do
mellow elbow
Random grubs would be nuts
honest walrus
@young walrus oh trust me, the more i can torment @mellow elbow , the better
unborn flicker
I will add that if Muri ever writes the logic for it
unborn flicker
But right now I have more important features to work on
leaden hedge
add 100% hunters journal completion as a random item
and put a 99% dreamnail bias on it
unborn flicker
Anyways, relics are the easiest thing to randomize
It's everything else that has special fsm cases
leaden hedge
relics are just an int on the item pickup fsm iirc
honest walrus
see i totally know what any of this means, im just here to greet KDT and torment Csstform :p
leaden hedge
you know how everything in celeste is in code and is nice and works
well forget that
honest walrus
yea uhh, yea
leaden hedge
hollow knight has json, that gets parsed into objects that run one line of code
honest walrus
so uhh, where is the quickest way out of here?
leaden hedge
I mean as long you're not trying to do anything fancy
honest walrus
and what are these MAG things D:
leaden hedge
you never need to look at fsms
and we even have an fsm viewer
so you don't have to look at 20000 line jsons
and try to figure out whats going on
honest walrus
yea i think ill pass
ill leave it to you guys that knows what is going on
and hope silksong is made off less json spaghetti
leaden hedge
atleast silksong is going to be on switch
which means they can't use that many at once
you know hollow knight was originally gonna be on wii u, and it took them like 6 months to optimize to run at a passable framerate on switch 
honest walrus
something tells me this game is made with unity, superglue, more unity, and spaghetti :p
honest walrus
doesnt unity make modding the game a bit more annoying than it has to?
leaden hedge
basically the exact same celeste
honest walrus
... i have ptsd from looking up playmakerfsm
fair rampart
Doesn't celeste use xna
honest walrus
so most game logic is uhh... one line garbage that this program/tool has spit out?
shy cloak
Is there some sort of ingame debug-box with the modding api only?
a console readout essentially
leaden hedge
so you make state machines (an object) out of states(object []), and each state has a set of actions (object []), and those actions are stuff like https://hutonggames.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W82
which is add 2 numbers together
shy cloak
oops I interrupted my bad
leaden hedge
basically it gets out of control really fast
leaden hedge
and something like controlling how much hp something has
safe hamlet
so i am tryna build Assembly-CSharp, and i get "Failed to load MONOModded.dll"
leaden hedge
has something like 500 objects
honest walrus
i think you are better of coding the logic in malbolge when it gets decently sized
safe hamlet
idk if i am missing a step or something
leaden hedge
but yeah they programmed pretty much everything in that
even stuff like switches
which are just like on hit, send an event to another object
best thing about that is they use the same string for every finished event
honest walrus
working around that stuff does not sound fun tbh
leaden hedge
so you get great bugs like, looking down finishes unrelated actions (like opening doors) faster
leaden hedge
yeah it also does BroadcastEvent("FINISHED")
honest walrus
any other places where that can go horribly wrong?
because that sounds like a can of worms
leaden hedge
its mostly fine I think
shy cloak
Is this celeste or HK we're talking about
shy cloak
i never knew that about the looking down thing
honest walrus
its used in Any% into crystal cavern
leaden hedge
did you know hitting 2 different elevator levers that affect the same elevator teleports it
honest walrus
... at the same time?
leaden hedge
within a short time frame
thats why you can't hit the same lever for a second afterwards
honest walrus
where is that sanely possible to do?
leaden hedge
because fixing the bug was too hard
i think any% uses it at lurien
to teleport to the top
shy cloak
yeah that's what you get for hiring like 3 different devs during creation
i think they scrapped the engine at one point too iirc
honest walrus
... understandable with interactive flowchart json one liners
shy cloak
do not doubt
i think that's my favorite part of artists/creative types tho. it doesn't matter if it's perfect, so they can actually finish projects
all my programmy stuff is in a permanent state of "i'll finish it later"
honest walrus
if you have a bug to drop more stuff at watcher knights, that would be great
like approximately 5 more things, should be fine
leaden hedge
I wouldn't even meme on them so much if this sort of game was difficult to program
shy cloak
I did this instead of coding today
leaden hedge
but tbh somehow metroidvanias always have bugs everywhere
hazy sentinel
have you considered getting a good cube
honest walrus
@leaden hedge can you explain the invisible walls at watcher knights though
shy cloak
that 5x5 pattern was rough though
honest walrus
unless my game is broken
safe hamlet
rubik's brand
dusky lion
safe hamlet
even if you don't care about speed, rubik's brand is horrible
and not pleasant to turn
safe hamlet
you can loosen it tho, i did it with mine lol
oof
i made mine to cut like 30 prolly, still clanky tho
shy cloak
still can almost sub 2 minutes after only 2 months of casual cubing 😛
safe hamlet
very nice
hazy sentinel
maggotprime
shy cloak
once a week or so I'll go through all 4 and solve them just to make sure i remember the last layer stuff
safe hamlet
i was at sub 1 minute in like 2 weeks, but i did solve a whole lot
shy cloak
i'm weird with speed-stuff. I'm not a very competitive person, so I figure if I'm not even close what's the point in practice
hazy sentinel
is that a shengshou TM mirror cube TM
safe hamlet
that ghost cube tho 😩
shy cloak
i should probably get over that and start running 106
safe hamlet
oof
shy cloak
Your megaminx is missing a tile too haha
leaden hedge
ye scammed
honest walrus
they bonk in nothing
doing it both on latest patch and 1.2.2.1 for me
they can literally bounce next to the actual gate wall and smack into the invisible wall 3 times
safe hamlet
i thought that was a move
honest walrus
lets see if i can fish out some video of it
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/425648560?t=01h41m15s ignore my insanely good watcher knight strats, the right knight just stops for no reason because he hits a wall
honest walrus
they only do it near the edges of the arena
and you can see and hear that they hit a wall
i have also shot a fireball there and have it disapear
honest walrus
im also convinced that elevators can only go upwards the first time you activate them >_<
leaden hedge
Fixed it
weak lodge
now this be epic
leaden hedge
gotta flex on people with my ability to solve a ghost cube
10/10 party trick
gets you all the girls
safe hamlet
you can solve a ghost cube with F2L, right? it's just hard to figure out the pieces?
leaden hedge
yeah its just a regular 3x3
due to it being harder to turn
relying on muscle memory motions isn't as good
because it can get stuck, and then you have to reset if you can't remember where you were
safe hamlet
i see
safe hamlet
lol
leaden hedge
i mean I don't solve it with roux
because that sounds awful
oh actually
you might not be able to solve it with F2L
because the center pieces need to be rotated correctly before you insert the edges (for middle layer)
unborn flicker
📁
odd dome
fair rampart
A mod that gives NoEyes eyes
And this includes a new attack that makes said eyes attack you
gilded lotus
give no eyes googly eyes
young walrus
give everyone googly eyes
gilded lotus
and make them have physics
safe hamlet
@rain cedar sorry for the bother, but how do you build the API? i tried it, and it gives me "Failed to load MONOModded.dll"
safe hamlet
rain cedar
That is not a very useful output
If you go to the OutputFinal folder, what's in there?
rain cedar
What files are there exactly?
I'm trying to figure out what stage it died at
Just send a screenshot
safe hamlet
screenshot taking long to upload
rain cedar
There'll be a ton of them
safe hamlet
rain cedar
Did you make the vanilla folder?
safe hamlet
i did
rain cedar
It looks like it copy everything from there
Or actually no it did
I don't see ValueTupleBridge in there though
So it's dying at or before that step
safe hamlet
it's at the bottom
rain cedar
Ok it is in there
safe hamlet
ye
Severity Code Description Project File Line Suppression State
Error Failed to load assembly MONOModded.dll Assembly-CSharp C:\Users\Sid\Documents\Cloned\HollowKnight\HollowKnight.Modding\Assembly-CSharp\EXEC
idk if this helps
rain cedar
Yeah it probably died on ILRepack
Because there's no MONOModded.dll in there
But there's also no MONOMODDED_Assembly-CSharp.dll
Or Assembly-CSharp.dll
Or Assembly-CSharp-patched.dll
I can't tell what step it broke on
It has OriginalAssembly-CSharp.dll
Which comes from right before the ILRepack
But it shouldn't get that far if monomod fails
safe hamlet
is there a way to debug it?
copper nacelle
@leaden hedge cool thanks
@shy cloak you can enable ShowDebugLogInGame
In the ModdingApi global settings
"BoolValues": {
"keys": [
"ShowDebugLogInGame"
],
"values": [
true
]
},
omg u rock thanks dude 😃
hazy sentinel
🤔
dusky lion
it was used similarly with :maggot: and :MaggotD:
floral furnace
hollowd
floral furnace
maggotprime
floral furnace
gilded lotus
are you okay
leaden hedge
🦀 FINCH IS POWERLESS AGAINST SPONTANEOUS AMNESIA 🦀
dusky lion
unfortunate
silk jetty
earlier today i took my AP math placement test and i'm still worried that i had 5 Ds in a row
copper nacelle
what the fuck
copper nacelle
idk ask someone who actually does both
fair rampart
art
leaden hedge
i imagine if you took an untrained person, they'd have a better job of drawing something recognizable over getting a program to compile
silk jetty
@dusky lion haha imagine not having gifted nitro
dusky lion
:c
floral furnace
it would be great if everytime you fail to compile something you have a 5% chance of dying
?
dusky lion
it would be great if i had a 100% chance of dying right now instantaneously
silk jetty
i would say that if evo wasn't a dopamine wizard
unborn flicker
So, my current issue is that simple keys don't have an associated playerdata bool, so buying them doesn't remove them from the shop. I could change the shop fsm to set randomizer settings bools instead, but then I would have to change how it handles every other item. Any ideas or suggestions?
leaden hedge
is it in scenedata
unborn flicker
The sly and pale lurker keys are in playerdata. I assume the other two are in scenedata
leaden hedge
you could just manually remove them
unborn flicker
that would still require a change to the fsm, though
now that I think about it though, I could just insert the setrandomizerbool later so that it only affects simple keys maybe
hmmm, there are too many shop fsms 😡
rain cedar
You're gonna have to change it to use fake bools
Handle them in the get/set bool hooks
unborn flicker
ok, that looks promising
Does Settings.SetBool(value, boolName) save a bool to settings even if it hasn't been declared?
shy cloak
that sounds right to me, I think it's just a dict
unborn flicker
yup, Sean's suggestion seems to be working perfectly now
much easier to pretend all shop items are charms rather than try to follow the fsm
unborn flicker
hollow hearth
rocky sand
Are there some new mods that will add more lore to Hollow knight?
buoyant obsidian
Hollow Knight has no lore
dusky lion
yes
buoyant obsidian
Maybe you can make that mod
dusky lion
the ur mom gay mod
buoyant obsidian
Just write a whole bunch of paragraphs of lore and make them show up whenever you collect a relic
dusky lion
i think the dll for ur mom gay mod still exists in the depths of grimm crime sindicate
jovial vault
🤔
hollow hearth
i summon thee, tentacle person
jovial vault
wrong one
wispy root
Hey for debug mod, how possible is it to add an option to have fury always active?
rain cedar
That's already possible (somewhat)
If you get to 1hp and turn on infinite hp you'll always have fury but won't die
But pantheon forced heals would break it
If that's what you're doing
wispy root
yeah, that's the problem
rain cedar
It probably uses PlayerData.MaxHealth
Would be 1 line to kill that
Try with that in your mods
Incredible mod, I know
wispy root
I just drop it into Managed?
rain cedar
Mods
It might still visually look like you're being healed because HeroController will still send an fsm event
wispy root
I think I fucked my game, I tried to open HK without changing the directory name first and it auto updated something
let me reinstall the mods real quick
ok, seems good
Thanks 
gilded lotus
youre welcome
hollow hearth
yeah you're welcome
wide monolith
floral furnace
dw youre gonna crush it
jovial vault
ye i hope so
charred parrot
thinks are so fucking fine you have no idea how fine they are
charred parrot
i dont do the drugs
jovial vault
high on life i see
torpid plank
glass surge
Hey y'all, I'm new here. Just wondering if there's already a mod to track how many deaths you've had on a file?
If not, my second question is: how hard would that be to make?
Or maybe some sort of advanced stats mod?
solar jacinth
it is very easy to make , (for a modding staff) you can ping one if you are interested
glass surge
Who are the modding staff? Are there more than ❌ ?
solar jacinth
yes of course
@ Modding Staff
there is like 5 or 6
they are offline
and x (56) is always at dont disturb
safe hamlet
yea, i am a modding staff, i just forgot to put on the green role
glass surge
Cool!
safe hamlet
it's not that hard to make
just need a counter and increment it each time you die
counter could be just stored in the save file
solar jacinth
shut up and start doing it
glass surge
Yeah I figured as much. If I knew more about accessing the game files and stuff I'd totally do it myself, but as of now I only know Java.
floral furnace
if ya know java already then the lang used for modding is C# so it shouldnt be too hard, you just gotta learn how to get the api working and the hooks
glass surge
I'm gonna learn C next year haha 😛
floral furnace
just C?
safe hamlet
yea C# is essentially the same syntax without the cancerous bracketstyle and method naming
solar jacinth
learn c#
glass surge
C and C++, and I think I have a course in assembly as well
solar jacinth
also online or school ?
glass surge
Uni
safe hamlet
:glare:
not really if we are talking syntax
java is more similar to C# for the syntax
floral furnace
C is old af
solar jacinth
true
floral furnace
once you know OOP with Java youre already set for C#
glass surge
So is assembly lmao but I'm still gonna learn that
safe hamlet
yea, what taco said
floral furnace
true, we gotta take it next year too
safe hamlet
not knowing assembly already
glass surge
Yeah I figured C# would just be a bit of reading up on syntax
safe hamlet
jk i don't know it either 
jovial vault
it's fine sid i don't know anything
glass surge
Anyways, are there any good resources to learn the API and stuff? I'm sure that question is asked a ton here.
solar jacinth
min0: says that i dont know anything
also minO: god of art
glass surge
Noice
jovial vault
but theyre half finished and not completely up to date
safe hamlet
looking at api docs
jovial vault
modding staff are usually always around to help
jovial vault
what do you plan to do, buck?
glass surge
Also, if anyone were to make the death counter, I'd be very grateful 😃
solar jacinth
scroll up
glass surge
Well I was gonna try to make a death counter, but I know nothing
jovial vault
aah i see
glass surge
Maybe beside the completion percentage
solar jacinth
ill remind it
jovial vault
i should make the lurien mod tbh
safe hamlet
what you need to do is make thorn spike pillars for marmu
jovial vault
im not making an abomination unless you pay me
come to me w/ modding ideas that aren't cursed and ill do them >:(
also you could probably recolour grimm's spikes and add thorns
ez
solar jacinth
i have a great modding idea but only if fsm reader worked for me 
jovial vault
i do art for mods and hopefully mods™ in the future
oof
why doesnt the viewer work?
solar jacinth
well i discussed that with nes for a long time
safe hamlet
what is the idea, sugar
solar jacinth
hidden
solar jacinth
jovial vault
nice
shy cloak
What doesnt work about fsm viewer?
jovial vault
the fsm viewer works for everyone except sugar
solar jacinth
please dont try to fix it , you cant
jovial vault
why doesnt it work for you anyways
shy cloak
I really wasnt going to lul
solar jacinth
we talked with nes for a long time
shy cloak
I'm just wondering what does work for you
shy cloak
@glass surge the api docs are mostly unwritten. Best way to learn about the api, in my opinion, is a combination of intellisense and IL spy. The api is massive, so if you can formulate a specific question people here are good about answering.
floral furnace
or asking staff too
jovial vault
or getting 56 to handhold
shy cloak
@sugar under what circumstances does the fsm viewer not work? I've been using it and would love to know what about it does not work
jovial vault
homothety i see you 
shy cloak
Or is sugar just shit posting
floral furnace
afaik the viewer has one component that doesnt work or is there a legitimate problem with the viewer
solar jacinth
it just immediatly closes
floral furnace
are you sure youre opening the right file?
safe hamlet
^
solar jacinth
wdym
jovial vault
also sid when you're going to work on marmu 2.0 dm me
floral furnace
ive opened some files expecting the fsm trees to be there only for it crash
shy cloak
Oh okay runs for me so that's fine then. Do you have antivirus stuff running? I assume windows?
jovial vault
did you add the circular markoth nail barrage sid?
solar jacinth
uh maybe
safe hamlet
no, that's what i need to add
floral furnace
hey windows defender is pretty neat, kinda
safe hamlet
also the side nail attack
solar jacinth
if i disable it
young walrus
yeah, if you hate your PC
jovial vault
fun
solar jacinth
will it work ?
floral furnace
i thought that was mcaffee
safe hamlet
yea, it's not bad in windows 10
floral furnace
fair
shy cloak
Windows defender is ok, but if you click the wrong button once it tends not to let you undo that without a ton of work
fair rampart
don't use any antivirus
young walrus
I completely disabled defender as much as possible
and even the health checks it wants to do, I added all my drives as exceptions
so.... it runs those, but on nothing
shy cloak
It might work if you disable it sugar, but if its windows defender that has flagged it, you'll have to do some extra stuff to make it work again afaik. It blocks it deep in windows poop. Been a long time since I had to unblock a file from WD so dont remember off the top of my head
shy cloak
I couldn't tell you. For multiple reasons. But Google would be a better place to ask that
solemn basin
Wait, Markoth mod is a real thing?
young walrus
yeah. he turns into a penis
jovial vault
sigh
floral furnace
solemn basin
Nice! Is it as evil as the pictures show?
young walrus
get it, cuz he's a dick
floral furnace
:gwblobwoke:
young walrus
jovial vault
hmm
dark wigeon
About the fsm viewer, I thought that was an issue with steam paths or something since you don't use steam but I can't remember why open file without the level list doesn't work either
Btw guys it's nothing to do with antivirus it's definitely a path issue and also a library issue, nothing to do with the fsm viewer itself
safe hamlet
markoth mod is very evil
solar jacinth
oh ok
jovial vault
as is its creator
safe hamlet
i don't know a good way to do the side nail attack for markoth
need to do that properly
and circular barrage
and should be good enough
then it's marmu time
floral furnace
rad sword rain
safe hamlet
vertical sword rain, i plan to do with xero
jovial vault
sigh will i be roped into recolouring grimms spike sprites green
jovial vault
😔
safe hamlet
jovial vault
how do you have time for all of this during exams
safe hamlet
boi
jovial vault
i tried to make time to draw today but i have no time
safe hamlet
i am done with exams
safe hamlet
like 2 days ago
safe hamlet
oof
jovial vault
may 29 here i come
safe hamlet
i am not going to school after next week 
jovial vault
nice
solemn basin
@safe hamlet I look forward to seeing what sort of nightmarish evil you have created.
solar jacinth
everybody does hedrack, everybody
safe hamlet
will try my best to not disappoint
safe hamlet
do what with complex numbers
jovial vault
b.ii.
it's not hard i just 🤔 am not sure fully what it's asking of me
jovial vault
mmm not much i'd say considering this is high school maths
solemn rivet
I mean
safe hamlet
they are not real, 200 IQ
jovial vault
yep
solemn rivet
you know what the polar form of a complex number is?
jovial vault
ye
solemn rivet
ok
safe hamlet
what math does this fall under? i have never seen this type of problem
solemn rivet
then you shouldn't have issues solving these problems
wdym sid
also, I gotta go, sadly
hazy sentinel
safe hamlet
mino was asking what the question is trying to ask i believe
solemn rivet
if you still need help when I come back, in like 30min, I can help you then
solemn rivet
I was just kidding btw
there's no shame in not knowing how to solve any problem
oh you mean 10b(ii)?
solemn rivet
so you know what the (principal) argument of a complex number is, right?
jovial vault
yep
solemn rivet
so 10b(ii) wants you to look at the area you shaded in 10b(i) and figure out what's the largest possible arguments for points there
and also the smallest possible argument
jovial vault
AH so then just minus them from each other
jovial vault
yep
solemn rivet
this circle will be moved down, and you'll only consider part of it
because of Im z >=0
jovial vault
yeah
solemn rivet
I gtg now
jovial vault
nah i know what to do now, thanks
hazy sentinel
the answer is obviously .588
jovial vault
you mean 33.7 degrees 
safe hamlet
you mean 133.7 degrees
solemn rivet
amback
how's it mino?
for everyone who wants to make peace with our lord and saviour dlkurosh,
safe hamlet
hmmmmmm
jovial vault
i was considering buying icono but then i went with rain world. rip kuro
also gradow it's fine i figured it out
revising topics you haven't done in months right next to your exams is a potential risky move
jovial vault
why buy icono or hk when you can buy overgrowth
charred parrot
||good job on the marketing||
@solar jacinth What in the world kind of effects did you put on that gif in art-gallery
jovial vault
have a slightly red layer, and a slightly blue layer move in opposite directions and then back towards an original point
jovial vault
kindof like imitating how 3D movies used to look w/o 3D glasses
ye that's the aesthetic
jovial vault
it's art lazy, you just dont understand
charred parrot
I see
solar jacinth
Wtf mino no
It was like 2 secs to make that effects
@charred parrot @jovial vault https://photomosh.com/
jovial vault
oh yeah i forget that site exists
but tbh doing it the way i thought you did it also takes 2 seconds
you can just do it natively in an animation software that way
solar jacinth
That site is better also has more options
jovial vault
fair enough
solar jacinth
I should still learn more about c# , i cant make a game only knowing how to create a chat-bot
But i kinda started to understand unity better
jovial vault
that's good! progress tbh
solar jacinth
charred parrot
if statements reee
solar jacinth
If statemenys are so ez and so useful
And yes technically i only know that kinda stuff
charred parrot
then you're good
the only reason it's taking me long is because I'm the most anal person in existence and want things to be clean
solar jacinth
Same
charred parrot
you can make a whole game with if statements only
jovial vault
i mean technically yes
also no wonder we're working together im the most anal person when it comes to art and making sure things look good
this is why assets are taking a while
charred parrot
thats not how that works
that means we'll be too worried about things being perfect instead of getting stuff done
not good if its too much
jovial vault
yeah true
solar jacinth
jovial vault
tho im pretty sure you're more of a perfectionist than i am
at a certain point i go "no one will look at this for more than 10 seconds and it's fine in this state"
lazy: hey guys it's been 3 weeks and been grinding this tiny aspect out
solar jacinth
the ideas of the game level design etc.. is it only lazy and you ?
charred parrot
granted mino the thing I've been grinding on is not a tiny aspect
its like how every entity (boss, enemy and player) will be controlled
solar jacinth
that person who created that oc , i forgot her name , something like 180 it was
solar jacinth
when did this project started
jovial vault
two months i think?
i mean
honestly we had to revamp everything around 2-3 weeks ago
when we went "ah yes, this is now 100% original"
figure out a whole new art style and plot
literally just got finalized swathe out today
solar jacinth
how much it is close to finishing
fair rampart
Make the lore so deep not even Sumwan can memorize all of it
solar jacinth
impossible
solar jacinth
my life was a lie
jovial vault
tbf half of this server thought i was a guy
solar jacinth
(including me)
charred parrot
wAiT MiNo's a GirL?
fair rampart
Most of the people here still think I'm a guy
jovial vault
when in fact you are a fool
solar jacinth
well i was suprised when i figured out you were a girl
wait
jngo is a girl too ?
wtf
charred parrot
motherfucker
I will probably be done tonight though
so then things get
gnarly
jovial vault
oh wow just in time for me to [redacted for nda]
charred parrot
don't worry guys we'll have lore so deep nothing will make sense
jovial vault
boy does overgrowth's lore make minimal sense
fair rampart
Put in intentionally contradictory lore
solar jacinth
i will make it too complex that even sumwan will have hard times at figuring it out
and other hilarious jokes you can tell to yourself
charred parrot
who the fuck is sumwan
solar jacinth
you dont know her ?
fair rampart
u
solar jacinth
and wiki
fair rampart
Oh hey she's performing judgment in discussion
solar jacinth
oh yes
jovial vault
ah
it truly is not summer in south asia unless there are frogs croaking outside your window at ungodly hours
gilded lotus
I want die
jovial vault
Understandable
copper nacelle
AP CS was omega free
jovial vault
Ive heard ap cs in general is easy
safe hamlet
gotta get the perfect score tho
unborn flicker
hmmm, I was going to put RIGHTSIDECITY + (SUPERDASH | WINGS) as the logic for the basin simple key, but now that I think about it, that could potentially require pogoing across all the spikes in basin. Maybe RIGHTSIDECITY + (SUPERDASH | (WINGS + MAGSKIPS)) would be better? Thoughts and ideas please
rain cedar
How is pogoing across the basin spikes a mag skip?
shy cloak
Yeah it's not as hard as that
shy cloak
i don't entirely understand what a magskip is, really, but I think the current philosophy on logic is "if it's essentially just a pogo trick, it doesn't need a skip"
rain cedar
I vaguely remember that reddit post now that you mention it
unborn flicker
young walrus
skip to broken vessel is not just pogos
unborn flicker
This is correct
young walrus
you'd have to keep it CH or wings to prevent locks from not having the correct shade hp
unborn flicker
This is not Monarch Wings
young walrus
basin simple key is the same
you need to get up that ledge
and if you can't b/c you can't do the shade skip, you're fucked
unborn flicker
Oh, we weren't talking about the shade skip
shy cloak
oh lord everyone in the comments acts like that takes an insane amount of skill
unborn flicker
I certainly don't care enough to put gwomb into logic for that
but you can get the key with only CH and dive
which is what I thought you were disputing
unborn flicker
yeah, that won't be an issue
young walrus
so you're right, right side city access + CH or wings would be right
cuz you can get right side access with TE skip at salubra too
unborn flicker
right side city is also the best shortcut ever for not having to deal with difficulty settings
(QUAKE + (TRAM | LANTERN | MISCSKIPS)) | (CLAW + (SUPERDASH | WINGS)) | (SHADESKIPS + (CLAW | WINGS | (MISCSKIPS + FIREBALLSKIPS + FIREBALL + DASH))) | (CREST + ((CLAW + (DASH | WINGS)) | (SUPERDASH + (BALDURS | ACID | CLAW | WINGS | DASH)) | ACID) + ((CLAW + WINGS) | (SIMPLE1 + (CLAW | (WINGS + MISCSKIPS))))) | (TRAM + (CLAW | (WINGS + (MISCSKIPS | SHADESKIPS))))
unborn flicker
1st key, contrasted with SIMPLE4
young walrus
so sewers access
unborn flicker
although, I did not go through the effort to make Godtuner actually require the last key
shy cloak
So you count each key as a distinct item?
unborn flicker
I have plans for QOL stuff to make the other two keys useful
All 4 keys are randomized
shy cloak
I guess it makes no difference; just wouldn't have realized you could do it that way immediately
unborn flicker
It only cares whether you have at least one or all of them though