#archived-modding-development

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safe hamlet
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ok, now we are talking lazy

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let's code with fsms too 😩

gilded lotus
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oooh, i was in horde

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we werent that far apart

charred parrot
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come sid let us make a card game

safe hamlet
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you got playmaker, right? we should be set

leaden hedge
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i think ss died though

charred parrot
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I do actually

gilded lotus
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😔

safe hamlet
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we can pay mino to draw the stuff

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pay $0 :gotem:

charred parrot
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they actually do good work though

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no bull

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y

safe hamlet
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:glare:

charred parrot
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stop bullying my staff

gilded lotus
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yeah stop bullying me

safe hamlet
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never worked with them, so idk, i will trust you

charred parrot
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I have an effect resolution system

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coded from my old xCOM clone thing

leaden hedge
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I stopped playing though

safe hamlet
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o

leaden hedge
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mainly because i'd get CTA'd at 3am

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then I'd have to sit in a time dilated instance for 8hrs

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to die

charred parrot
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friend is mad at hearthstone game

gilded lotus
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he seems nice

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😄

jovial vault
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Wait sid you havent seen my art?

leaden hedge
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although I think eve could be chill if I got back into it

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at the time it was the middle of that massive coalition war

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so there was constant CTA

gilded lotus
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it's more chill nowadays

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CTA's are 😒

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i get why

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but i hate being forced to play

leaden hedge
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you're no use unless you're logged in and where you should be

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it was way more chill when it'd just be sitting in random sectors waiting for people to popup on radar and gangbanging them

gilded lotus
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i loved gatecamps

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it's like fishing, you never know what you're gonna get

leaden hedge
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on my first day we killed a stealth bomber and it was like an 11mil isk loss

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to 4 guys in 30k isk trash

gilded lotus
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i love that part of eve, any little ship is useful and has a great role

jovial vault
gilded lotus
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To put it as short as I can, I don't really care about the game's lore anywhere near as much if Hornet doesn't actually know that darkness, and calling them sealed siblings in the ending is extremely misleading when they already share traits.

Basically there's very niche pieces of information inserted to disparage the claim in the story, and it doesn't actually feel thematically attuned to the relationship you and her share in the story.

I understand that you could point out potential depth there since she knows that her and the Knight share a very tenuous connection though have ended up in a similar position, and that's kind of poignant but I feel like it's just not as strong as her being void, and her being raised in deep nest.

It first reflects poorly on the Pale King because it completely takes away the mythical implication of 'a gift,' which definitely seems to hint that Hornet was fashioned, rather than procreated. The idea of her being 'a gift,' and 'the gendered child' implied to me that the darkness she had could house sentience and empathy and hope and stuff, which makes her staying basically alone in Hallownest for however long since it got ruined much more melancholic to me.

In reality it's like, she's called the gendered child cos he hadn't had one before or something? And it's called sealed siblings because she's your half sister. You and her basically share nothing, the sealed siblings ending feels worse cos it's not really true, the Pale King's lore is tarnished by cos it makes him way more mortal in the most boring way possible (he just fucks herrah lol), and it just seems like a better idea for Herrah to let her be born of void if she wanted a strong god-tier kid or w/e.

So yeah Hornet is a trash character for me in terms of the HK story and I hope Silk Song gives me something else to focus on.

jovial vault
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Nice

gilded lotus
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tbh it kind of reads as "i am very smart"

solemn rivet
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not kinda

leaden hedge
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ye small ships are basically unhittable by larger ships

charred parrot
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I liked HK's story but theres a lot of

leaden hedge
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and if you get webbed in a Xv1 situtation

charred parrot
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wibbly woobly

leaden hedge
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you're fucked

charred parrot
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in the magic

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and theres just a lot of power sources

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like we've got

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Soul

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Lifeblood

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Dreams

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Knightmares

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Void

leaden hedge
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what about

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the power of friendship

solemn rivet
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it's all the same tbh

charred parrot
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power of friendship boooi

jovial vault
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Lmao

gilded lotus
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this one is also great from earlier today

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I'm not talking about people who are asking how to rebind, I'm talking about people who answer when I randomly bring it up in chat
fucktard

charred parrot
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with a server of 21k

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its expected you'd get a couple of

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special ones

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luckily if they stick around they'll eventually migrate to the other channels

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and the mods on those channels will just snipe them from orbit

solemn rivet
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as long as they don't come here

leaden hedge
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are we supposed to ban people that are special

charred parrot
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so its really only general that's bad

leaden hedge
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i guess i could ban 90% of modding

charred parrot
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Art mods are very mod like

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warn people

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kick people

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etc etc

solemn rivet
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what about modding mods

jovial vault
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Well

charred parrot
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Well

gilded lotus
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"that's because you're mentally incompetent"

solemn rivet
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I'll have you know

charred parrot
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Idk you guys just come off as regular users

solemn rivet
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we do actually discuss serious stuff

charred parrot
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no offense

gilded lotus
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oh shit im a normie

jovial vault
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Yeah true

charred parrot
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honestly this channel is also pretty hard to get "into"

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the average user wont do mods

solemn rivet
charred parrot
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wont program

leaden hedge
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theres a modding staff channel thats also just memes

jovial vault
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True

charred parrot
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meanwhile in art you can have tones of people just talking about pretty pics

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and in lore and discussion you just need at least 2 brain cells

gilded lotus
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idk

jovial vault
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I find it funny no creative people found their way in here for a very long time until recently

gilded lotus
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you missed the entire discussion today about keybinds

charred parrot
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into modding?

gilded lotus
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and people were throwing insults over keybinds

shy cloak
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insert ableist slur here

leaden hedge
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the problem with policing modding, is we'd have literally no one talking in here for the last several months

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because people just don't release mods, or collaborate on them

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that much

charred parrot
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honestly reading my comments over it sounds pretty elitist

solemn rivet
charred parrot
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but basically the bar of entry is higher than in most channels

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is what I mean

solemn rivet
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what KDT said, basically

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we had a discussion about that some time ago

charred parrot
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not to mention this channel has been known to shoo off users

jovial vault
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Imo this channel comes off as a lot more closed than other channels on this server

leaden hedge
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especially outside of the weeks near updates

shy cloak
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Either this one or modding-help is supposed to be for serious discussion, I don't remember which one it is. Ever. And I'm pretty sure that it goes back and forth. toxic discord is toxic. Don't change it tho plz

charred parrot
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def modding help

leaden hedge
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modding help is for tech support

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not questions about how to mod

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if you want an answer from someone who knows how to mod the game you'd ask here

shy cloak
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oh see, the semantics are confusing

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that makes way more sense now

solemn rivet
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usually when people ask how to make mods in there I just redirect them to this channel

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and they vanish

jovial vault
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Lmao

shy cloak
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I usually go there for "help" with my "modding"

charred parrot
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if the modders and the artists could come together

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we could have greatr things

gilded lotus
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the only gripe i think i ever had was the first time i ever came here i needed help or something and people were a bit brash but i got over it

solemn rivet
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I mean

charred parrot
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UnITe

solemn rivet
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that's how it started lazy

charred parrot
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tHe NatIONs

gilded lotus
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and everyone was cool so i figured it wasnt personal

jovial vault
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Lmao

charred parrot
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BRING PEACE TO HK DISCORD

shy cloak
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Pfft that's like asking the kitchen staff and the waiters to agree to tip share

charred parrot
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RISE UP

jovial vault
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Or become both a modder and an artist. An unstoppable force

solemn rivet
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before we had our own channel, we were together with those filthy artists

charred parrot
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disgusting

jovial vault
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Gradow dont insult my kind

charred parrot
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sub-humans those artists are

solemn rivet
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I didn't

charred parrot
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with their stupid pencils

jovial vault
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✏

solemn rivet
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it's crossed so it doesn't count

charred parrot
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reeeeeee

gilded lotus
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thats my meme mino

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you cant do that

solemn rivet
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but yeah, I'll stop showing you guys the secret stuff that goes on in modding-staff

charred parrot
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stop?

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you didnt start

solemn rivet
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I did

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scroll up boi

charred parrot
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mentioning you talk about things

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is so whatever

shy cloak
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yeah dude he sent us a mweme

solemn rivet
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that's literally all that ever happens tho

charred parrot
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oh

copper nacelle
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you are bad

charred parrot
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I see it now

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woah

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bullying

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I need a mod

copper nacelle
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hello

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the mod says you are bad

solemn rivet
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oof

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u ok 56?

charred parrot
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I need an admin

copper nacelle
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am i ever

charred parrot
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did you get that thing you wanted

jovial vault
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Death?

charred parrot
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woah

copper nacelle
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no i'm not dead yet

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unfortunately

charred parrot
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I guess modding mods (kill me) have less to really manage than art

solemn rivet
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homothety, actual modding discussion takes priority over mem discussion

charred parrot
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like what can we possibly do

solemn rivet
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so please ask here

charred parrot
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meanwhile artists can shit out some

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interesting

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stuff

shy cloak
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#full-meta

gilded lotus
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are you insulting my crappy music

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cause you're right

jovial vault
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Lazy are you taking about loops drawings

unborn flicker
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on the other hand, actual discussion gets buried in practice, y'know

leaden hedge
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i think the fsm viewer at some point might have support

shy cloak
leaden hedge
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for now you'll need to manually edit it afaik

jovial vault
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Ah

shy cloak
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I'm not sure if that'll help; that's all the work I've done with FSM stuff

copper nacelle
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Homothety you know how you got states

unborn flicker
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fsm.GetState("Tram pass").GetActionsOfType<SetPlayerDataBool>().

solemn rivet
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the idea is that we're pretty lax until someone has a serious discussion topic, homothety. In that case, we usually ask people to stop memeing for a while

unborn flicker
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what would I do next though?

copper nacelle
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.First().boolName = "ok"

unborn flicker
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ah, cool

gilded lotus
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people usually have that much common sense though

solemn rivet
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yup

gilded lotus
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usually

copper nacelle
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you can also do it using linq like fsm.GetState("Tram pass").Actions.OfType<SetPlayerDataBool>().First()

leaden hedge
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sounds slow

copper nacelle
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You can also just do stuff like actions[n] when you know the index

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linq is always slow

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it really do be like that

leaden hedge
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exactly

solemn rivet
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what's a faster alternative?

copper nacelle
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for loops

leaden hedge
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not using linq

unborn flicker
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ok, so I can just take the index from the fsm viewer then?

copper nacelle
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you can do that yeah

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specifying type is more readable

solemn rivet
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wait - for loops are faster than linq

leaden hedge
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technically if you wanted to be safer you'd iterate and check

copper nacelle
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esp because if you just use the index, you'll have to cast it

solemn rivet
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wtf

copper nacelle
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Yeah

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LINQ returns generators

charred parrot
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so sad that linq is slow it's got so many useful things

leaden hedge
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because someone could insert an action

copper nacelle
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^

leaden hedge
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and it'd be wrong

copper nacelle
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that too

solemn rivet
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ok

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off to bed I go

unborn flicker
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hmmm, I'll just go with linq then

solemn rivet
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I mean

copper nacelle
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GetActionsOfType imo

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less typing

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more readable

solemn rivet
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you've been sleeping earlier than me

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can't be having that now, can I?

copper nacelle
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don't worry i already slept from 5-9

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pm

solemn rivet
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cursed

leaden hedge
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i slept from like 9am to 1pm yesterday

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and now its 5am again

copper nacelle
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very nice

solemn rivet
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I usually sleep from 2~3am to 9~10am

jovial vault
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The optimal sleep schedule

charred parrot
dusky lion
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drinking aphrodisiac

jovial vault
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Relatable

copper nacelle
rain cedar
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no

copper nacelle
fair rampart
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are there any mods that add new items to the game?

gilded lotus
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lightbringer, exaltation

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redwing as well ithink

fair rampart
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redwing always makes me crash

charred parrot
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someone suggest me a good game

cerulean yarrow
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someone make a grub leaking void k thx

charred parrot
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sounds like an art request

cerulean yarrow
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jk

fair rampart
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Iconoclasts

charred parrot
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naw

fair rampart
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Sleeping Dogs

jovial vault
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Have you heard of this indie title called sekiro

unborn flicker
unborn flicker
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So this works correctly and gives a key
trinkFlash.AddTransition("FINISHED", "Store Key");

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fsm.GetState("Store Key").GetActionsOfType<SetPlayerDataBool>().First().boolName = "hasSlykey";
fsm.GetState("Store Key").GetActionsOfType<GetLanguageString>().First().convName = "INV_NAME_STOREKEY";
fsm.GetState("Store Key").GetActionsOfType<SetSpriteRendererSprite>().First().sprite = RandomizerMod.GetSprite("ShopIcons.ShopkeepersKey");
trinkFlash.AddTransition("FINISHED", "Store Key");

This gives a Pale Ore, but logs make it look like none of the lines throw

rain cedar
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What is the original pickup?

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Pale ore?

unborn flicker
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This happens at any shiny

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wings, dash slash, etc

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randomized to this item

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I'd guess Pale Ore might be a failsafe of some kind for the fsm? It does have the last index number, prior to grimm

rain cedar
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That wouldn't make much sense

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I think I see the problem

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call trinkFlash.ClearTransitions() first

unborn flicker
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that comes earlier

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It definitely enters the last block and not the ore one, fwiw

rain cedar
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You could try hooking On.HutongGames.PlayMaker.Fsm.DoTransition

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Log where it's going

unborn flicker
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Ok. It's late for me now, but I'll try that tomorrow. Thanks

rain cedar
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Good night

gilded lotus
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wat

charred parrot
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actually nvm

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rude

gilded lotus
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👀

jovial vault
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pensive

charred parrot
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dont you pensive me

jovial vault
gilded lotus
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wonder what you think about my stuff behind my back GWchadThinkeyes

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kidding

charred parrot
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im sad

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no Swathe emoji

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we arent real

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until 1 emoji

jovial vault
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you know i was reading some marxist stuff but this is more important give me literally a minute

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@gilded lotus 🤔 surprisingly positive

gilded lotus
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unfortunate

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i was expecting something more

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not harsh, just. critlcal

charred parrot
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I was reading COMMUNISM, give me a moment

jovial vault
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you got your emotes

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also hmm i guess im just not a musician so im not as critical perhaps?

gilded lotus
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not u

jovial vault
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ah

charred parrot
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it is cursed

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I will not

gilded lotus
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do it

charred parrot
jovial vault
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owo

charred parrot
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owo

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kawaii swathe

jovial vault
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swathe was always kawaii

charred parrot
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Swathe kawaii+

iron crown
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what hte fuck

gilded lotus
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Why is no one awake at 5:30 am

jovial vault
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i am awake at 2:45pm

gilded lotus
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No ur not

jovial vault
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ah shit time to pass out then

gilded lotus
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Same

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Goodnight

floral furnace
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@solemn rivet gun mod never until school ceases to exist , also art and sound is hard and majority of the free crap online sounds like they were recorded by flip phones in the 2000s

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blackmoth 2 on the other hand

jovial vault
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blackmoth 2 👀

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also tbh you could get someone from #art-discussion to do art for you assuming it's sfw

floral furnace
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i tried getting my friend's sister to make a bullet projectile art, i mean those glowly red things you get the idea, instead she gave me an ACTUAL bullet art, as in, the bullet itself in a casing (and requesting art on art discussion feels wrong and free loady)

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but sound is the harder issue tho, ive only ripped the gun sounds in insurgency and i dont want to call the wrath of new world interactive to know someone ripped their shit for a bug souls 2 mod

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what do you call that term, ahh yes, copyright

jovial vault
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LMAO i would do that tbh

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also im p sure there are sound libraries online

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also i could do the bullet projectile thing it'd be like 3 frames anyways

floral furnace
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also ive already checked majority of the libraries

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either i dont search hard enough, or majority of them are shit quality regardless

jovial vault
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you wouldnt get in legal trouble for ripping sound from another game or something

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i dont think at least

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lmk if you want the projectile art

floral furnace
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hey as small as it is the last thing i want is a scary email, what i do know is some mods for other games do use external sound files from other games, but im not sure until what grounds or line where it becomes bad, cant be too paranoid ya know

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also dont wanna bother you so its fine

jovial vault
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iirc it's fine as long as you're not making money off of it which i mean i dont think you are

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ya but still

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offer will stay open

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oh also 2 months and 2 days

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:)

floral furnace
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is it an offer thats will not morally affect me then sure

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wdym 20 months and days

jovial vault
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blogpost

floral furnace
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is this a lie

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or is this rea

jovial vault
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i am saying it has been 2 months

floral furnace
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im betting if they dont say anything during this month it has a high chance of showing up on E3 Treehouse

jovial vault
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hopefully

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none of that will happen if you dont make the gun mod tho wearytiso

floral furnace
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cuz the last time people were hyping TC will announce it at last year's E3, TC purposely made a post saying "btw guys we wont be showing up this E3" beforehand so well see

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its the last remaining 2 weeks of school tho 😩

jovial vault
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HM

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simo i saw that pffft

floral furnace
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simo knows how to toy with me soulpensive

jovial vault
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also yeah i have 2 more weeks of school left

royal ridge
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simo huh

floral furnace
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uhhh, cowboy simo

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yeah

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🤠

jovial vault
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banjo baggins who?

royal ridge
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you

jovial vault
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how the turns have tabled

floral furnace
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but yeah replacing the spells is probably the hardest part, creativity wise

jovial vault
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oh yeah that would be an issue

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any ideas for what to replace them w/?

floral furnace
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my only idea for shriek is airstrike but thats gonna be aload of shittily coded stuff since you know, you cant call an airstrike in a cave since hitboxes and stuff will be messy to force in

jovial vault
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yeah that makes sense

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i feel for ddark you could do a small grenade?

floral furnace
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ill probably just do "if the y level of the player is higher than the than the projectile and it intersects a hitbox, dont make it explode" but h

jovial vault
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h

floral furnace
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nade is for shade soul/vengeful, i dont wanna touch ddark actually since youll need it for progression

jovial vault
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ye true

floral furnace
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i have no idea how the game handles breakable floors

leaden hedge
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just disable them all

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like randomizer does if you'd need it but don't have it

floral furnace
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wdym disable them? the floors?

leaden hedge
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yeah they just don't spawn

floral furnace
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so i just remove the floors when the player has the slam

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cuz originally i was gonna spawn a c4 object that uses and spawns the dive explosion but 1. i dont know how to spawn the dive explosion 2. im not sure if its the explosion itself that causes the floors to break

so, h

leaden hedge
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you can do the same thing with baldurs, making them not close if you have vs

floral furnace
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makes sense

solar jacinth
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@gilded lotus did you bring music files back

ornate rivet
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@leaden hedge (or anyone who knows how assetbundles work) I tried using assetbundles but when I try to use the particle system from the imported bundle, it's null
I print the name of all the assets in the assetbundle with bundle.GetAllAssetNames() and the correct name does come up
but when I do ParticleSystem smoke = Instantiate(bundle.LoadAsset("assets/particle system.prefab")) as ParticleSystem;
and check if it's null, it says smoke is null

deft juniper
solar jacinth
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@solemn rivet

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@ this guy and send full report

ornate rivet
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it means you probably pirated hk

deft juniper
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No I didn't

ornate rivet
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good

solar jacinth
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i believe you my son

deft juniper
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This is from the mod launcher

mossy pike
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Did mod launcher use to work or it gave you this the first time you ran it?

deft juniper
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Yes.

solar jacinth
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wtf

mossy pike
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Have a good day then

deft juniper
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It ran previously.

mossy pike
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It happened to me before

solar jacinth
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amazing

mossy pike
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I think I redownloaded it and it worked again

deft juniper
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Ok I'll try that. TY

solar jacinth
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imagine giving a person 2 options and he is like

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yes

deft juniper
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Long day that's all.

solar jacinth
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suspensive

hidden wing
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@ornate rivet aren't you casting a gameobject to a particlesystem in that code

ornate rivet
hidden wing
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or am I reading this wrong cause I have 0 modding experience for this game

deft juniper
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Ok, won't happen again.

ornate rivet
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I tried doing it without the instantiate

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and that didn't work either

hidden wing
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well it's just

ornate rivet
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loadasset returns an Object

hidden wing
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you're loading a prefab, which is a gameobject containing the particle system right

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don't you need to get the particlesystem from that gameobject

ornate rivet
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ok I'll try that but when I exported it, it was just a particle sytem

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actually you're right

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reeeeeee it's still null

floral furnace
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maybe its the from the load asset?

safe hamlet
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good morning

hollow hearth
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i need the czone hotdog

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gimme the server

safe hamlet
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do you tho

solemn rivet
hollow hearth
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:GWczoneHotdog:

safe hamlet
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36k members

solar jacinth
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banned for advertising

hollow hearth
solar jacinth
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it doesnt have it

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triggered

hollow hearth
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nope

hidden wing
solemn rivet
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well... It's not very up-to-date, but... Can we help you?

hidden wing
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mostly trying to figure out how I can import my own assets and stuff like that

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and how to use unity functions in this I guess, cause looking at the current doc pages the main thing you can do is hook into existing functions the hk devs made?

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sorry if these questions are a bit vague I'm someone experienced with unity programming but with like 0 knowledge of reverse engineering

solemn rivet
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no, not vague at all

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so umm

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bad news is

floral furnace
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usually yeah you use the modding api to hook into the game and do stuff with a dll, i havent seen people use the editor for modding tho

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oh uh sorry gradow

solemn rivet
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what ttacco just said

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HK isn't very modding-friendly

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you'll find that most of the game's code isn't actually "in code"

ornate rivet
#

if you want to export and import unity animations/particles, you need to use AssetBundles

hidden wing
#

it's in playmaker right

solemn rivet
#

oh yeah, saleh was working with assetbundles

hidden wing
#

most code

solemn rivet
#

yeah, playmaker fsm

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like 90% of the code

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or more

ornate rivet
#

It's still not working for me garmond

solemn rivet
#

oh

floral furnace
#

saleh it isnt too complicated to play assets right

ornate rivet
#

The GO isn't null anymore but it's invisible

hidden wing
#

and judging from the reaction of you guys I assume it's hard to hook into fsm functions

solemn rivet
#

does it have a material

hidden wing
#

or change them in general

floral furnace
#

not hard

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just

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tedious

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and confusing

solemn rivet
#

not really ulcar

#

they're just confusing and badly structured

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have you beaten the game?

ornate rivet
#

The way I do it is by attaching a Monobehavior class to whatever I want to control. So first you find the gameobject (or whatever) you want to change then do go.AddComponenet<classname>(); and do the regular unity stuff in that class

hidden wing
#

nope I only started playing like 2 days ago

solemn rivet
#

oh

#

then

floral furnace
#

so uhh what do you want to mod it for then

solemn rivet
#

look how pretty and simple that is

#

anyone can mod that

ornate rivet
#

@solemn rivet
It does have material

solemn rivet
#

hmm

hidden wing
#

well it's mostly that I own the switch version and if modding is doable I'll buy it on pc and experiment you know

ornate rivet
#

It shows up when I press play in the Unity Editor

solemn rivet
#

yeah

hidden wing
#

and holy shit

solemn rivet
#

it is doable, for sure

#

it's hard, but doable

unborn flicker
solemn rivet
#

and people are always pushing the boundaries

jovial vault
#

also modding is most certainly doable. look at all of these nerds here

floral furnace
#

youll end up basing your code from others

solemn rivet
#

when the first mods came out, I couldn't expect it'd come to this

ornate rivet
#

Do you have any specific ideas on what you want to add/change?

solemn rivet
#

wait

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what's that supposed to do homothety

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I agree with 56

unborn flicker
#

I forgot to delete the same line command notlikequirrel

hidden wing
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well the dream would be being able to change hk's moveset

solemn rivet
#

one of us, one of us

hidden wing
#

i saw there was one mod that did that?

unborn flicker
#

So if the if chain got that far, it would always give a pale ore

floral furnace
#

i think most of the difficulty is gonna be animation wise for that

ornate rivet
#

hk as in the player, right?

hidden wing
#

yeah

#

uh

ornate rivet
#

you can probably look at redwing code then

solemn rivet
#

yeah

hidden wing
#

as you can tell I'm still early in the game so calling him that is probably wrong

solemn rivet
#

just call him the knight

floral furnace
#

wouldnt you at least want to finish the game first before doing this tho

solemn rivet
#

also

floral furnace
#

just my 2 cents

solemn rivet
#

what kind of moveset you wanna add?

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yeah, what ttacco said²

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not only for spoilers reasons

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but for fully grasping what's already in the game

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and what isn't

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before trying to add stuff that's already there

hidden wing
#

oh yeah fair enough

jovial vault
#

animation stuff wearytiso

solemn rivet
#

just fyi

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mino said they'd do all the anims for you

jovial vault
#

i never agreed to any of this

floral furnace
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mino start packing up

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youre gonna be living on the basement from now on

ornate rivet
#

mino how is the PC animation

floral furnace
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living off dry ramen

jovial vault
#

i will colour pc tonight once i am done studying

ornate rivet
#

YAS

jovial vault
#

listen lads i want to make my own mods not just die animating stuff

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but i am usually around if you need art

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assuming you don't like need a whole new game animated

floral furnace
#

mino god of modding art

jovial vault
#

pensive

unborn flicker
#

it turns out everything works correctly if there aren't stupid mistakes soulpensive

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solemn rivet
#

don't make those kinds of promises mino

jovial vault
#

i said usually

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that's what i will refer to when i turn everyone down

solemn rivet
#

mino draw me a fully animated series of 58 episodes, each episode being 30mins long

jovial vault
#

only if you teach me methematics

solemn rivet
#

homothety, is that working with each preset?

floral furnace
#

mino ill pay you nothing to art deal omggrub /s

jovial vault
#

pay me in making blackmoth 2

floral furnace
#

ask gradow for that

solemn rivet
#

wait

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I thought you were working on bonfire2

jovial vault
#

no im getting bonfire 2 out of gradow

ornate rivet
floral furnace
#

what 🤔

solemn rivet
#

blackmoth is my bae

#

idk saleh

jovial vault
#

find it weird that no artists ended up working on mods w/ you guys before saleh and lazy got me in their basements

solemn rivet
#

if anyone, I think KDT would know

floral furnace
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saleh check every of hte tickbox until something happens

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no seriously thats something that i would probably do and fuck up

ornate rivet
#

that would take years

unborn flicker
#

wdym by each preset?

ornate rivet
#

Check every combination, export as assetbundle, import to hk, run hk and check if it works

floral furnace
#

oh yeah

solemn rivet
#

weren't you making this new rando to have, like, "rules"

unborn flicker
#

yeah, I got that to work last night

ornate rivet
unborn flicker
#

where each item has an assigned category which can be toggled

solemn rivet
#

yeah, that

unborn flicker
#

skills, charms, etc

#

that was just getting the logic to update and handling shops

#

this was the problem of randomizing items which don't have a pickup outside shops in vanilla

floral furnace
#

maybe the layer?

solemn rivet
#

oh yeah

unborn flicker
ornate rivet
#

what layer are particles in

floral furnace
#

not sure, all i know is the surface collisions are at 8, my really bad guess is it might be spawning behind a z level

ornate rivet
unborn flicker
#

so for additional items I'm just modifying what the "Store Key" state changes

floral furnace
#

yeah that MIGHT work

#

i think

#

no wait

#

youre already spawning it at particle level right

ornate rivet
#

still can't see it

floral furnace
#

uhhh, shit then

#

didnt you get the particles working before then

solemn rivet
#

oh

#

can you make a new particle?

floral furnace
#

i havent been into this channel for a while so i vaguely remember you posting a video of that

solemn rivet
#

kinda like angle did

ornate rivet
#

yea but that was without UnityEditor, just code

solemn rivet
#

actually, did angle import his assets or build them during runtime?

#

oh

floral furnace
#

KDT is bound to reply, any, hour now

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considering hes a unity god or something

#

he was online awhile while ago tho

#

timezones and all that

ornate rivet
jovial vault
#

You can dm him

#

Or run off to the unity discord

floral furnace
#

oh yeah btw gradow, would removing the health scaling, and replacing it with a set unscaled leveled system that depends on each enemy/area fix the major issue?

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i dont remember your main issue with it all i know is you hate it

solemn rivet
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my major issue with it is that it exists

floral furnace
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:zotepensive:

solemn rivet
#

also, yeah, that would be nice

#

but too much work imo

floral furnace
#

too much work

solemn rivet
#

optimally you'd want to fine tune each enemy, or at least each area

floral furnace
#

hey that sounds fun ngl

solemn rivet
#

also

floral furnace
#

or i get your help as a math pro to calculate the "suggested" or best level each area should be

solemn rivet
#

make the stats not-shit/op would also be good

#

the only reason Res has that hit-cancellation chance is because otherwise it's just plain useless

#

why invest in HP when you can swing your nail at the speed of light?

ornate rivet
#

message to kdt has been sent, now I have an excuse to not mod PC and read Oathbringer instead

floral furnace
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true

jovial vault
#

saleh dont you have exams

floral furnace
#

exams are just a suggestion

jovial vault
#

alternatively: get started on [redacted for nda]

#

we need a name for this project smh

floral furnace
#

yeah i think a stat revamp sounds like a good idea

ornate rivet
#

I only have 3 exams since the rest were AP tests or final projects

solemn rivet
#

add a stamina mechanic to HK

ornate rivet
#

disgusting

floral furnace
#

you know what

#

i tried doing that before

#

and you know what

#

sure

#

all i remember was the ui elements dying when you fall into the radiance pit

solar jacinth
#

bonfire 2 when

floral furnace
#

what if silk IS the stamina mechanic in silksong 🤔

jovial vault
#

h

ornate rivet
#

running probably takes silk

#

so kind of I guess

solar jacinth
#

not excatly stamina

floral furnace
#

god i hope they add the sprinting/running from the start

solar jacinth
#

same

jovial vault
#

god i hope they release silksong ever

solar jacinth
#

taco i see you are so hyped garmond

floral furnace
#

but stuff like the needle swing was castable even when hornet had no silk in the trailer

#

oh wow me hyped for silksong where did you get that nahhhhh

jovial vault
#

who would have thought

solar jacinth
#

crazy

floral furnace
#

insane

jovial vault
#

also i think i might have asked this before but nes's world editor doesn't add in new scenes/levels yet, correct?

#

bec i want to idk potentially make fancy new sub areas

solar jacinth
#

no

#

in progress

jovial vault
#

ah i see

#

then realistically how much work would it be w/o the editor

ornate rivet
#

you can probably add to a random scene that has very little in it (a shopkeeper's scene) and load that scene then teleport the player to the new spot

#

shouldn't be hard

#

but it will probably be painful

floral furnace
#

platform creating was hard too afaik

jovial vault
#

wouldnt you have to manually define the boxes bec you can't just do it w/ unity

ornate rivet
#

wdym? Isn't it just drag and drop with the editor?

jovial vault
#

lots of trial and error im assuming

#

is it?

#

🤔

ornate rivet
#

I thought you were going to use nes's editor

floral furnace
#

is it tho? i remember 56 doing something in the gpz room and he had to check the triangles and stuff for collision but thats without the editor

ornate rivet
#

That's why I was telling you to add to a random existing scene that doesn't have anything in it with the nes's thing

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then teleport the player there

solar jacinth
#

people will go crazy once its done

jovial vault
#

yeah saleh that makes more sense tbh

#

but if you have multiple rooms then hollowwoke

ornate rivet
#

yea it's more of a short term solution

#

but it's A LOT less painful than coding platforms in

safe hamlet
#

pfft

solar jacinth
#

and hes back

jovial vault
#

sid you are making a markoth mod you dont talk about painful things

safe hamlet
#

what’s pain

jovial vault
#

path of

solar jacinth
#

markoth mod when

#

give me a release date

#

now

floral furnace
#

hmm true

jovial vault
#

early 2018

ornate rivet
jovial vault
#

pc also coming early 2018

safe hamlet
#

i am making godly nightmare, ie all dream bosses mod

jovial vault
#

at once?

floral furnace
#

markoth markoth markoth markoth markoth markoth markoth

safe hamlet
#

yes

jovial vault
#

sigh

ornate rivet
#

This is hot

safe hamlet
#

7 in 1 😩

ornate rivet
jovial vault
#

saleh no

safe hamlet
#

how many dreamers are there?

jovial vault
#

3

solar jacinth
#

4

ornate rivet
#

I think 1

jovial vault
#

approximately 5.6

solar jacinth
#

its 7

ornate rivet
#

he meant dream warriors

safe hamlet
#

i meant dream warriors

solar jacinth
#

1

floral furnace
#

2 if you only count the good ones

safe hamlet
ornate rivet
#

7

solar jacinth
#

gimme a sec

jovial vault
#

are you going to mod white defender/nkg/gpz etc

safe hamlet
#

no eyes, marmu, galien, markoth, xero, hu

jovial vault
#

or just dream warriors

safe hamlet
#

that's it, no?

#

o gorb too

floral furnace
#

dont forget gorb

ornate rivet
#

Make a bad ass selection screen

safe hamlet
#

owo

solemn basin
#

Fighting them all at once for true nightmare impossibility?

safe hamlet
#

can you do it for me pls? thanks saleh

ornate rivet
#

I already have enough modding ideas

solar jacinth
#

what the fuck

safe hamlet
#

i could try tho

solar jacinth
#

why would you

floral furnace
#

boss scills and other modding memes you can tell yourself

jovial vault
#

salehs not legally allowed to abandon his current modding ideas or i will 🔪

safe hamlet
#

@solemn basin pfft, modded marmu is already going to be a nightmare

jovial vault
#

project overgrowth and other hk fangames you can tell yourself

solar jacinth
#

i wish fsm worked for me

#

so i could do some mods

ornate rivet
#

where ever marmu lands, make a thorn pillar grow out

floral furnace
#

check the examples

ornate rivet
#

that would be epic

safe hamlet
#

owo

solar jacinth
#

oh god oh fuck

floral furnace
#

and by examples i mean 8 hours of trial and error checking every fsm field that you can see

jovial vault
#

you would need someone to draw a thorn pillar coming out of the ground

safe hamlet
#

someone

#

why are you here

ornate rivet
#

Mola could do it

jovial vault
#

someone named omin

hazy sentinel
#

when marmu hits the corner you take 50 damage

solar jacinth
#

only if there was a person named mino

jovial vault
#

wish i knew this person

solemn basin
#

The solution is never let Marmu land.

solar jacinth
#

same

ornate rivet
#

onimo

floral furnace
#

you heard veru get to it

safe hamlet
#

not possible with marmu physics

solemn basin
#

Not with that attitude.

safe hamlet
jovial vault
#

just recode marmu physics duh

floral furnace
#

just make him go diagonally like those dvd screen savers

solemn basin
#

Make Marmu's room even smaller so you can't dodge.

solar jacinth
#

make no room

safe hamlet
#

lol

solemn basin
#

You can only die.

jovial vault
#

some days i am glad cranky is not a modder

safe hamlet
#

indeed

solemn basin
#

:)

solar jacinth
#

thank god

safe hamlet
#

don't worry, cranky

#

i got you

#

:^)

jovial vault
#

some days i am glad there is no one to draw sids horrible modding ideas

floral furnace
#

cranky if you wanna get started turning nightmares into reality start downloading VS and the api now

#

just to spite mino

jovial vault
#

:(

solemn basin
#

Okay! Are 80's training montages effective for learning modding?

safe hamlet
jovial vault
#

where is gradow

solemn basin
#

Will I be done by the time Eye of the Tiger finishes?

floral furnace
#

unfortunately climbing up a 500 step stair isnt gonna turn you into a god modder but its still good physical excercise

solemn basin
#

Damn, okay rethinking this entirely. Maybe early 2018 then.

safe hamlet
#

cranky, what other 1.5x bosses do you pan to do?

#

have you tried markoth?

solemn basin
#

I've been trying Markoth. Got to p2 a few times.

#

I've had to get serious with charms and use spells because dodging javelins is really crazy at that point.

safe hamlet
#

were you trying without them? :glare:

solemn basin
#

For a bit.

#

I tried Watcher Knights too. But didn't get far.

#

They are doable.

#

Galien 2x is fun but would need practice. It's really that ones like Lost Kin, GPZ, and AR are really rough on 1.5x.

charred parrot
#

hi guys

safe hamlet
#

GPZ zote

#

Lazy

jovial vault
#

hello

safe hamlet
#

you were supposed to reply with "Lazy" too

#

also mino, how do you have exams? i thought your yesterday was your last day

jovial vault
#

last day of the term

safe hamlet
#

o

jovial vault
#

last day of normal classes

ornate rivet
#

today is the last day of normal classes for us

jovial vault
#

how does it feel for high school to be completely over

safe hamlet
#

what

#

so early

ornate rivet
#

the same as always

safe hamlet
#

my normal classes end next week

floral furnace
#

i mean you get to leave everyone behind

ornate rivet
#

that's the best part

jovial vault
#

can't wait for that next year

#

assuming uni stuff works out

floral furnace
#

remember to pick thesis group mates by work effort, not friends

safe hamlet
#

how do you do random in unity? just the classic Random class or is there something special for it?

floral furnace
#

Random h

#

i think both system and unityengine has their own random

#

otherwise they work the same

safe hamlet
#

alright

#

using RandomNumberGenerator from cypto is better but can't be bothered

floral furnace
#

extra effort is never worth it maybe probably i think so

safe hamlet
#

yea prolly not, rng from crypto isn't exactly user friendly

ornate rivet
#

So you're telling me, not only is markoth rng and bullshit, it's not even the best rng

safe hamlet
#

hmm? i don't know how fsm random works

#

i haven't implemented any custom stuff for markoth yet, it's all modifying fsms

floral furnace
#

markoth suffers from the coolest design, the coolest voice, the coolest dialogue, the coolest arena but the worst fight in the game

safe hamlet
#

indeed

#

i basically removed his shield attack at request of zaliant

jovial vault
#

bless you tbh

safe hamlet
#

so it's basically you vs markoth's nail barrage

jovial vault
#

as long as they dont spam off screen

safe hamlet
#

also made it so that nail don't spawn off screen

#

yea

jovial vault
#

nice

ornate rivet
#

worst fight is definitely no eyes

safe hamlet
#

i kinda do agree

jovial vault
#

dream warriors in general are. alright

safe hamlet
#

because you get hit and knocked back into the thorns

floral furnace
#

weird way to spell marmu

safe hamlet
#

and also very boring

#

she just teleports like crazy

floral furnace
#

actually i should say hu because hes the one that ended by 50% steel soul run

safe hamlet
#

hu?

fair rampart
#

Did you increase the nail spawn rate to compensate

ornate rivet
#

I kind of like him though

safe hamlet
#

yes

#

by a lot

floral furnace
#

captain "let me disappear for 5 seconds of invulnerability"

fair rampart
#

nice

ornate rivet
#

make the nails come in different patterns

fair rampart
#

Can you make them pogoable

safe hamlet
#

o that's a good idea

#

sure

fair rampart
floral furnace
#

spawn them like a circle where they go at you one by one

safe hamlet
#

like for another custom attack?

fair rampart
#

Undyne the Undying

floral furnace
#

dream shit should dissipate on hit i dont think dreams are that strong of a material

#

realistically speaking

safe hamlet
#

lol

ornate rivet
#

remove all platforms and put spikes on walls so you have to pogo the nails to live (and make the nails come at you semi horizontally so you can pogo them without getting hit)

safe hamlet
#

they should just die by dream nailing

#

i do that for phase 3, i just leave one with spikes

fair rampart
#

Actually some of Undyne the Undying's attacks would be cool to incorporate

#

Probably hard as fuck tho

safe hamlet
#

because getting around to avoid the beam wall is hard

solemn rivet
floral furnace
#

arent boss attacks prefabs

#

or not

#

i dont remember much of it

safe hamlet
#

idek know what prefabs are lol

#

i think i have an idea

floral furnace
#

basically just preset stuff that you can spawn on the go

#

go as in literally go, not game object 😤

safe hamlet
#

yea, i know the nail is

ornate rivet
#

does anyone here know how to make the player's screen fade to black in unity

solemn rivet
#

did you wanna ask me something, mino?

young walrus
#

Turn off your monitor

solemn rivet
#

saleh: camera fadeout?

ornate rivet
#

is that with the fsm?

solemn rivet
#

no

torpid plank
#

RAIDEN, TURN OFF THE GAME CONSOLE RIGHT NOW.

safe hamlet
#

cameracontroller

ornate rivet
#

ok

young walrus
#

No. Your finger

safe hamlet
#

i believe

floral furnace
#

or better yet if you want it as dirty as possible just spawn a black rectangle and destroy it after 5 seconds

solemn rivet
#

I think it is, yeah

jovial vault
#

gradow: no i was joking about sid's thorns looking like your terrible tentacle emoji

solemn rivet
#

oh right

safe hamlet
#

terrible

solemn rivet
floral furnace
#

thats not how you spell art

solemn rivet
#

I mean

#

that emoji isn't even mine

ornate rivet
#

alright thanks

safe hamlet
#

gradow, rate my thorn spike

floral furnace
#

also technicalwise was it hard to set all the enemy hp or do you just mean in a computational level

safe hamlet
#

better than all of mino's art, yes?

floral furnace
#

meant this for bruhdow

solemn rivet
#

wut

#

sid: 69/420

safe hamlet
#

wearytiso thank

jovial vault
#

😩 mino who's art?

floral furnace
#

i mean, setting their healths isnt the hard part what you meant is setting them at just the right place?

safe hamlet
#

what's the context here

solemn rivet
#

I mean, it's hard to set their hps in a way such that it isn't broken

floral furnace
#

just clarifying something to bruhdow

safe hamlet
#

o

floral furnace
#

yeah thats what i thought you meant

#

thanks

solemn rivet
#

setting their HP became trivial after lifeblood

floral furnace
#

did you update it post lifeblood tho?

solemn rivet
#

yup

floral furnace
#

ahh i see

#

that was before you shunned it right

solemn rivet
#

the problem isn't how to set it, but what to set it to

#

I've been shunning it from day -1

floral furnace
#

dunno maybe a spread sheet with shitty computations is good enough

#

but yeah cant have damage sponges

solemn rivet
#

yeah...

#

the main issue is

#

exp

#

either you make your own EXP

#

or you use something that's already in the game, like geo

#

but geo is very flawed

floral furnace
#

cuz you can farm it?

solemn rivet
#

not only that

#

but there are lots of ways to get a lot of geo very fast

#

what I'm saying is the curve of geo x progression isn't a good exp curve

floral furnace
#

not even if you scale geo gain on the later areas?

safe hamlet
#

^

solemn rivet
#

maybe

#

but, once again

#

fine tuning

floral furnace
#

t e s t i n g

solemn rivet
#

death

floral furnace
#

agony

safe hamlet
#

thorns

floral furnace
#

mino

#

oh yeah but that would create the issue with shop stuff being so easy to earn

#

unless you make the gain smoother

#

holy shit youre right now im actually imagining how much stuff youre gonna have to take account with it in my head

safe hamlet
#

prolly easier to make your own system

solemn rivet
#

make your own exp then

#

ye

#

call it

#

oeg

floral furnace
#

then probably just make the later levels cost geo

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as a sink for late game, no wait this sounds stupid

jovial vault
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mino what

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sigh

ornate rivet
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sigh

charred parrot
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gotta go fast

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GOTTA GO FAST

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GOTTTTA GOOOF AAAAAAAAASDT

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how are you guys doing

jovial vault
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are you alright

charred parrot
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yes

floral furnace
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what does it mean to be alright

brazen mortar
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it means to be "all right"

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meaning nothing is wrong

solemn basin
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Or is it?

hollow hearth
safe hamlet
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thonk

jovial vault
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what in the world is that test

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so i can either shower and draw or i can finish this reading on the french revolution

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decisions

charred parrot
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draw while showering so you have time to finish the reading

jovial vault
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alternatively get gradow to stream maths and learn a singular useful life skill

leaden hedge
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when are you ever gonna use math

jovial vault
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when i need to figure out what 2 + 2 means

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more applicable than like a history degree anyways

leaden hedge
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use a calculator

jovial vault
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ah shit youre right

solemn basin
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Can't remember when last I mathed. Numbers are a lie.

hollow hearth
solemn basin
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That stare is the deeply troubled stare of one with serious psychological issues. No amount of honey will help.

hollow hearth
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no honey is around to help~

fair rampart
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modding is a thing?

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good luck with getting me mods for switch 😃

solar jacinth
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no one will do that

hollow hearth
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that was a joke sugar

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i assume

fair rampart
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😃 😃 😃

solar jacinth
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we hope so

jovial vault
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i did the thing and it came out as my exact mental health diagnosis garmond

leaden hedge
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is that a personal challenge

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you won't get modding api on switch

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but you could definitely get something modded

jovial vault
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And your switch potentially banned from the eshop if youre not careful

late jacinth
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Randomizer2 just auto updated, since then and I tried restarting game 6 times after the fact , but cant access my extra saves on page 2 or 3

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Just disabled Randomizer2, and now they're all back. just given some feedback.

leaden hedge
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🦀 NINTENDO IS POWERLESS AGAINST CONDUCTIVE OBJECTS 🦀

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randomizer2 probably messes with the ui and it might break moresaves

late jacinth
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makes sense, and good to know 😃 Just normally i save page1 for 1221 stuff, and randomizers for page 2 saves/playthorughs

leaden hedge
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you can always rename stuff, moresaves just uses user5-2147483647.dat

late jacinth
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dam, you can have THAT many saves hollowknice

rain cedar
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I just changed the way I preload stuff

leaden hedge
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yeah thats probably the issue

rain cedar
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It should be the same as always

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Mods aren't initialized until all the preloading is done

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And it's back to the main menu

leaden hedge
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maybe order changed?

rain cedar
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I didn't change that

leaden hedge
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weird

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something must have changed for it to break

rain cedar
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End of the new stuff right there

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The LoadMod loop is the same except it passes preloads in

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Which would be null for MoreSaves

shy cloak
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is there GH for the moresaves mod?