#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 420

young walrus May 12, 2019, 8:44 PM

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what you want to reference

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so.... assembly csharp

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for the api

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modcommon for modding

rain cedar May 12, 2019, 8:50 PM

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modcommon GWjiangoOmegaLUL

unborn flicker May 12, 2019, 8:51 PM

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30 unityengine references shakra

abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 8:52 PM

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ok added the untiy reference and understood the reference stuff

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but were i get the modcommon ?

rain cedar May 12, 2019, 8:52 PM

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don't

abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 8:57 PM

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sorry?

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wearytiso

gilded lotus May 12, 2019, 9:04 PM

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wearytiso

abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 9:07 PM

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soooooo nobody?

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i also found the modcommon project, but it also require "usign modding" what i'm missing? thinkgrub

gilded lotus May 12, 2019, 9:19 PM

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idk anything about modding but modding api?

rain cedar May 12, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Yes

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You don't need modcommon though

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It has like 2 useful methods and 10000 bloat methods

solemn rivet May 12, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Blasphemy

unborn flicker May 12, 2019, 9:29 PM

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this the "rewatching-56-stream-while-doing-laundry" non-sequitur

abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 9:40 PM

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ok resolved

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damnit, when i will be good at making mod with this i will make a clear a understandable totrial step by step, this stuff is too criptic for someone that start from zero

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mantiswhy

leaden hedge May 12, 2019, 9:44 PM

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theres nothing really cryptic about it

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unless you know nothing about how c# works

gilded lotus May 12, 2019, 9:44 PM

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hi thats me

leaden hedge May 12, 2019, 9:45 PM

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like theres no steps missing here afaik, and the only real way to make it more comprehensive would be to explain how to add references, but you can just google that

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abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 9:47 PM

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i have extensive meaning for "cryptic "

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but thanks anyway

ornate rivet May 12, 2019, 9:52 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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made for you @copper nacelle

solar jacinth May 12, 2019, 9:53 PM

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this is amazing

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took me 8 minutes to understand the photo

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but cool

unborn flicker May 12, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Oh yeah also your item logic is fucked because of progressive items @copper nacelle

idk if you're going to make dash progressive like in item rando or not. You also might want to make "simple" something stronger than having any one of the simple keys (and you forgot sly's simple key anyways)

copper nacelle May 12, 2019, 9:57 PM

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making it progressive is probably what i'll do

unborn flicker May 12, 2019, 9:59 PM

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I also never used awoken dream nail in the logic zote

copper nacelle May 12, 2019, 9:59 PM

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noot

unborn flicker May 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

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noot

abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 10:17 PM

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someone know what this error in the modLog while loading the mods mean?

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[ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException: The classes in the module cannot be loaded.
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.Assembly:GetTypes (bool)
at System.Reflection.Assembly.GetExportedTypes () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

copper nacelle May 12, 2019, 10:34 PM

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It means The classes in the module cannot be loaded.

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Probably something using .net 4 or something

ornate rivet May 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

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use .net 3.5

abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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alredy using it

copper nacelle May 12, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Check your mod in dnSpy to make sure

abstract citrus May 12, 2019, 10:57 PM

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fixed

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wrong assembly file

copper nacelle May 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

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nice

gusty nova May 13, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Does the regular Dream No More ending in Redwing involve a nuclear explosion?

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 12:06 AM

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afaik yes

gusty nova May 13, 2019, 12:11 AM

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What does nukememe do, then?

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 12:12 AM

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oh wait im mistaken then

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thats the one that probably causes the nuke, i thought it came with it by default

blazing hill May 13, 2019, 12:24 AM

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so im doing a randomizer playthrough and uh i cant find the wall climb anywhere

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📎 Hollow_Knight_2019.05.11_-_23.31.12.03.DVR_Trim.mp4

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life is rough right now

ornate rivet May 13, 2019, 12:26 AM

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hot

rain cedar May 13, 2019, 12:26 AM

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cold

ornate rivet May 13, 2019, 12:26 AM

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steaming

blazing hill May 13, 2019, 12:28 AM

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freezing

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dont ask about the conversation in the clip

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 12:28 AM

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imagine not speaking 5 languages though

blazing hill May 13, 2019, 12:29 AM

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i dont know why that was part of their conversation

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i was dead silent only because mic was muted

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 12:46 AM

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i am fluent in 10 languages

young walrus May 13, 2019, 12:50 AM

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mickelPOY

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 12:50 AM

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english, american, australian, canadian, new zealandish, jamaican, dominican, belizian, grenadan and bahamans

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 12:52 AM

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i'm bilingual

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english and american

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canadian is too advanced for me

dusky lion May 13, 2019, 1:50 AM

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yeah i know japanese

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konichiwa onii-san desu sugoi Nyaa~ <(O w O)<

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 1:57 AM

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o w o

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 1:58 AM

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weeb

odd dome May 13, 2019, 2:02 AM

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u

blazing hill May 13, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I’m proud that in the clip my friends didn’t sag anything racist

next rock May 13, 2019, 3:59 AM

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So, is there a way to change The Knight's appearance? I want to know how to make a mod for the game but, uh....
I don't know how...

rain cedar May 13, 2019, 4:00 AM

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CustomKnight

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 7:15 AM

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When it comes to most metroidvanias I played there's some that I enjoyed but when it comes to "Hollow knight" it's more middle of the road for me

What's start with the positives

This game gives you hours upon hours to explore there's plenty of power ups that you can use at your disposal plenty of charms for you to use about 46 grubs to rescue and you can explore the lore that is Hollow Nest and interesting characters you can interact with

But when it comes to the negatives of the game

At the very start the game doesn't do a good job holding your hand very well if you're a first time player without a map,compass and a quill which you can get you wil get easily lost.. and you can find yourself in sub area after sub area

Even if you do get a map,compass and a Quill then you fully explore the world easier but...

some of the boss fights in Hollow knight can be a massive roadblock to that and some of them are really f****** hard... especially 2 bosses in particular

The Radiance and Nightmare grim those two can f*** right off...

I know the developers want to give players "a challenge" but what the developers should do is give players "A choice" not "a challenge"

And what I meant by "A choice" I meant by a difficulty setting I would enjoy this game a lot better if I played this game on "Easy mode" that way I can understand the game a lot better and if I do then I can switch back to normal difficulty

But if the developers want to give me a challenge I would rather play "Dark Souls" or "Cuphead" then the bosses of "Hollow knight" if I want a challenge

But I don't want to do that I would rather keep my sanity in tact.. then die 50 times in a row it's not enjoyable..

The game is fun as a metroidvania for exploration but the hard boss fights just get in the way...

I rate this a 7/10

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Still gets 7/10 not bad hollowknice

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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1HP left (yeah thanks asshole laser placement in the platforming segment before Phase 3), final phase, die to ball of light that spawn exactly where I had jumped
Absolute Radiance is soooooooo much fun
/s
Ascended AbsRad makes it almost impossible to take a hit or else it fucks up your momentum

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also

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that review mocked it for not being challenging, but specifically asked for a easier game mode?

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:21 AM

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obligatory need to mention both dark souls and cuphead when it involves difficulty . a vi

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Hi guys I want a new game plus. (What would that even be in a metroidvania)

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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steel soul

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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ngl tho as much as its difficult to implement in a metroidvania NG+ for SS sounds great... for me at least

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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wait

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dont you keep all your shit on NG+?

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Yeah but what would it be

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The dreamers and bosses are alive again?? That's it

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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youre supposed to yeah, tho some games take away some of your stuff like keys but you get to keep the good stuff

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:27 AM

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oh, eh...

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:27 AM

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just pad in the bosses health then call it a day

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:27 AM

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godmaster then :^)

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:27 AM

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: ^ )

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:28 AM

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but like after you're exposed to everything the first time around

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HK doesn't really have much

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as far as like world replayability

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Yeah also as TC say the time spent on a new game plus could just be used to make the normal game bigger

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Which is way better

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:30 AM

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i mean the closest thing you could have as an ng+ that would be good is to wipe your memory of playing the game but unless steam starts selling memory blockers that aint happening

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:30 AM

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i think mods do a good job at that world replayability

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randomizers do it good justice

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:31 AM

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yeah mods do give it a sense of more replayability

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Randomizer is a good idea for a game mode

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:31 AM

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the other route being is to turn it into uhhh.... roguelike

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 7:31 AM

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If that was official it would be cool

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:32 AM

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if there's 1 new under the hood thing for the new HK i would like more of like that mod support type stuff

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 7:32 AM

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yeah yeah we get it randomizer is already integrated in silksong you dont have to make hints and teases at us /s

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 7:32 AM

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prebuilt randomizers and stuff like that

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what would be the logistics of important the knight into silksong or vice versa

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Honestly I agree with you Graig that the early game of HK, before you make it to Greenpath, is very very bumpy.

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Tutorial section is fine but once you enter crossroads

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eeeeh

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:00 AM

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big fan

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atLazy

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:00 AM

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By instinct you start travelling to the right (as with most platformers) but somewhere down the line you get blocked.

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you need to reverse direction and start going the other way and only then do you get the map.

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The Quill and lack of compass though still don't make it easy to navigate as at this point you don't have a mental map of the rooms

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and its quickly to lose sense of where you are on the map

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honestly I don't think this would be all that bad if it wasn't for the structure of the crossroads

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if it was more linear it would be a lot easier to manage

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but it's connected to so many areas that you're just completely unsure as to where you need to go

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theres something like a solid

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4 or 5-ish exits in the crossroads that are blocked off but completely visible as exits to the player

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and it's legit frustrating to be cut off AND unsure as to whether you're actually able to pass them with your current move set.

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on repeat

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:05 AM

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i liked how metroid fusion did it

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:06 AM

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even once you get the vengeful spirit you're not guaranteed to know where to go next unless you checked out Greenpath's entrance prior

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:07 AM

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started you through a main area then introduced you to the first sector

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:07 AM

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luckily the exit to where you get it directly points you in the direction

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I havent played metroid fusion personally

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but I do know it's pretty linear

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:07 AM

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yeah it is

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it was my first metroidvania though

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:07 AM

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which is pretty brutal for a metroidvania

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:08 AM

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started here and then it had you go through the left through all the elevators to the other areas

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charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:08 AM

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I don't consider the Radiance and NKG to be that bad in terms of roadblocks

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since NKG and the Radiance especially are supposed to be super endgame

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what I think the best example of roadblocking would be Soul Sanctum and the Soul Master

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:09 AM

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the only gripe i have with grimm troupe is it's a little too "out of the way"

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:09 AM

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not only is he a pretty intense difficulty spike

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but you need to work your way through a good chunk of the sanctum each and every time you want to attempt to take him down

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:10 AM

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it sets it up nicely to explore and gather the flames as you explore the world but by the time you actually might find it it becomes just a backtrack

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:10 AM

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yes theres a shortcut

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but god help you if you dont know about it

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Grimm Troupe is alright if you play a new game

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it's like an "extra" thing to do

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 8:10 AM

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tbf grimm troupe fitted the idea that they were a bunch of weirdos from out of fucking nowhere there to harvest that sweet apple juice from dead kingdoms

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so i guess they make sense to be "out of place"

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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iiiiif the lantern wasn't so hard to find and activate to begin with

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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^ that's what i mean

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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oh I thought you meant getting the flames

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not activation

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then ya

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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the flame collection quest was meh

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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they're really annoying to fight

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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the flames are fine when it's your first run cause you're epxloring the world as your getting them

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:11 AM

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because they reposition based on your movement

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no other enemy does that

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 8:12 AM

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with ss' quest system im hoping theyre gonna avoid that or at least make the collecting fun/interesting

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:12 AM

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but the activation is so hidden that by the time you find it it becomes just a backtrack to go get the flames

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although im not sure where to put the blame there

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how hidden it is or just being in howling cliffs

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Godmaster though is

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wut da fuk

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the entry to it is fine

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whatever

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but to gate a major ending behind the pantheon is

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Bruh

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it also just kinda invalidates the rest of the story

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:14 AM

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my opinion on it is rather biased

thorn comet May 13, 2019, 8:14 AM

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How?

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:15 AM

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so i cant really say anything on that

thorn comet May 13, 2019, 8:15 AM

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When every ending is canon

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:15 AM

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k just to make sure because I forget

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do you need to unlock the seals

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to challenge the radiance in godhome

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:15 AM

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no

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:15 AM

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then its dumb

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:15 AM

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wait

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i actually dunno if thk is a pre-req for p4 though

thorn comet May 13, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Seals as in the dreamers yeah?

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:16 AM

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lemme check

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:16 AM

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yes

thorn comet May 13, 2019, 8:16 AM

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From memory you do

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iirc

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:16 AM

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alright then its less bad

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my issue is that you've got this great build up with the actual story

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 8:16 AM

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you need to fight white defender in P4 who only shows up after you beat all 3 dreamers before accessing P5

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:16 AM

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and the this shmuck shows up out of no where

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and is like "ya man this is how you beat her for realisies realsies"

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you dont even need to enter the temple

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:17 AM

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https://puu.sh/DrFm4/4f343ba6cf.png is this out of date i suppose

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 8:17 AM

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that you don't

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:17 AM

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or am i missing what it means

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:18 AM

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also the whole "all endings are canon" thing bothers me

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like come on guys

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just commit

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:L

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something something Silksong will be a prequel

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:19 AM

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thk is pre-req https://puu.sh/DrFnF/a510db628e.png

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:19 AM

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ok but do you need to beat the radiance proper?

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or just HK?

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:20 AM

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that idk for sure

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im not finding anythign on that

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:20 AM

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the whole build up to the radiance is great

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~~the first time, there really should be a checkpoint between the two~~

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~~HK himself kinda becomes invalidated because you need to plow through him for more chances at the radiance~~

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 8:21 AM

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bro that's traitor lord

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unless that's a meme

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:22 AM

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oh shut

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u right

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:22 AM

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it wasn't

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but oh

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forgot

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:23 AM

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tangent

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I cant get over this

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Hulk playing cards with Black Panther and The Thing

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:23 AM

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https://puu.sh/DrFqH/bdb57d89a7.png

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the way this is phrased

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:23 AM

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ok so ya

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:23 AM

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makes me think vanilla rad isn't a pre-req

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:23 AM

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you dont need to fight Radiance

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eeeeeeeeew

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imo defeating the pantheon should have given you a new item

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:24 AM

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face PV before THK GWchadThinkeyes

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:24 AM

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and picking it up and then going to fight the radiance should have unlocked absolute radiance

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Radiance isn't in the pantheon

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and having the item does something to the normal HK fight

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probably just causes him to instakill himself

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so you can figtht big boy radiance

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and then you get the Shade Lord ending

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imagine a bug existed in that context

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would made you fight Absolute without the need for the item

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and some random poor guy gets it

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without knowing wtf is going on

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:27 AM

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all this technical talk just makes me want to know more about your game 👀

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:27 AM

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what do you want to know

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:27 AM

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idk in specifics

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i seen like 1 little thing of it and i just generally wanna see more

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mostly wanna see it cause i want it to get my creative juices goin

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aesthetics, and themes

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every time i've been asked to do work on something i havent been shown anything (no offense to saleh 👀 ) but it just doesn't do much for me in terms of visualizing music in my head or something

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:39 AM

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we've decided to develop our own artstyle instead of trying to copy HK's since we're going for our own original thing now

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mino made a mock up (crude background just to get the idea)

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our aesthetic is literally fucking "flower"

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just lots of flowers

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oh and Treeple (tm)

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not gonna say anything about the story though since dats spoilers

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:43 AM

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see that seems a tad gloomy that i had imagined as just a happy forestry area and really helps me like put a theme to something

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that gets my mind thinking creatively

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Getting an item that makes radiance absolute is essentially the same as just fighting abrad at the end

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You may as well just fight her at the end of the rush and get the new ending

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:45 AM

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not really?

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because if you lose to her

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you dont have to redo

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:46 AM

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Well without her you don't have a full boss rush so that's not good

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:46 AM

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also it keeps the general tone of the HK encounter in the black egg

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instead of us being in some crazy dudes fucked up brain

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I gueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess

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idk I dont think the Pantheon is well designed

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it's gruelling

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:48 AM

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Its a boss rush what do you expect?

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:48 AM

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not to have a super important potentially canonical ending locked behind it

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Why not?

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:49 AM

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at least when its not this hard and long (sorry)

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maybe I am just baby boi

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and I should git gud

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:50 AM

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A lot of people agree with you its not just you

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Personally i feel an ending is the best reward.

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 8:50 AM

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don't think of the ending being locked behind a lengthy and difficult challenge

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think of the ending being a reward for completing it

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Anything else is kinda pointless unless its a cosmetic change

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 8:50 AM

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aaaand graig just said it

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Like you have done the hardest thing possible, you don't need an upgrade item

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:51 AM

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are you telling me a new jpeg and 2 sentences in my hunters journal isn't reward enough?

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 8:51 AM

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I do think a white cape like the pure vessels would be a dope reward

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hollowknice

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 8:52 AM

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cosmetics for a hand drawn game are probably a nightmare to do

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:52 AM

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The Knight with a cape would be cute as fuk

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but ya it would be a bitch

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you instead lock new game plus

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and you play as the HK in baby form

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and its steel soul

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and every time you win you get a new + added to the new game +

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and HK's horns grow slightly taller each time

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it's genius

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Longhornet.png

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Goodnight lazy (big fan)

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:55 AM

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night

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I'm surprised to see Graig rate HK a 7/10

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interesting

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dude's probably played it so many times he's gone numb

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and the annoying shit really gets to him

thorn comet May 13, 2019, 8:59 AM

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You know that aint his review yeah?

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(just making sure)

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 8:59 AM

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nani

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OH

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 8:59 AM

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pretty sure its just a copy pasta of another guys actual review

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:00 AM

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LOL

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HTBRBGBGBFg

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god I'm retarded

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forgot this was the land of the copypastas

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 9:00 AM

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I'm surprised to see Graig rate HK a 7/10
interesting
dude's probably played it so many times he's gone numb
and the annoying shit really gets to him

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:00 AM

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no Graig plz

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dont do it

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:00 AM

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soulpensive

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:00 AM

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I am but a farmer I see you typing

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I would give HK a 9/10

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:01 AM

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what did it lose the 1 to

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 9:01 AM

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not being hard enough

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Well SS is going to be better so HK has to be 9/10

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I mean lets go find some quality HK steam reviews

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 9:01 AM

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jngo commit 59:27

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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is that a fact

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would you like to

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ELABORATE

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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how about 46:53

mossy pike May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Graig actually hates HK, but you know, work is work

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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no your record is not important

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thanks

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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"Well SS is going to be better so HK has to be 9/10"

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YOU HEARD IT LADS

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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time to find some high quality HK steam reviews

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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just for that I'm gonna do sub 40

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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I think it will be better

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they've got a shit ton of experience from HK

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they've got an amazingly solid base

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(gameplay style code is eeeeeeh)

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they've got infinite muns

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and aren't restrained by time

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:09 AM

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it'll probably just be more

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:10 AM

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more?

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negative review because his controller is broken

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warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:13 AM

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I use a ps3 controller

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never had a single problem in nearly 3000 hours

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:14 AM

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oh boy get ready for this one

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take note of the played hours vs what he says

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 9:16 AM

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steam doesnt register your hours played when you go offline

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 9:17 AM

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badges

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pause the game to equip

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:17 AM

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thats fair but

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BUT

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 9:17 AM

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all bugs

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:17 AM

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he says theres no variation in area aesthetic

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and considering how long it takes to go through crossroads on your first run

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I dont doubt the 1.7 is accurate

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:18 AM

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did they forget SotN

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charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Well said sir fair enough.

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:19 AM

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im gonna leave a bad review so you can't meme on my playtime

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:20 AM

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KDT review complains about code base for 75% of it

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Hollow Knight is PEAK capitalism

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:24 AM

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i mean thats just because tc got lazy and ran out of places to put shit

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so they put it in shops

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:26 AM

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leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:27 AM

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all true

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Team Cherry just doesn't respect the players time smh

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:28 AM

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ya fuck the Mantis King

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leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:28 AM

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they should have put every item in slys shop

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and let us buy geo for $4.99

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:29 AM

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thats a great idea

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you can paypal me actually and i will give you the items

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:29 AM

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ill port hollow knight to android and ios for you

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Loot Boxes

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shaped like Hornets head

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:30 AM

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but you have to pay increasingly large $$$ to unlock boss scills

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 9:30 AM

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my favorite dlc is the "Breach NDA" dlc for 2.99

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:30 AM

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porting HK, its a bad idea trust me

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:30 AM

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warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:30 AM

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you will go half insane rewriting code 😉

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:31 AM

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KDT I'll pay you 2.50 to rewrite HK from the ground up

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:31 AM

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2.50 what

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:31 AM

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USD

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what else

floral furnace May 13, 2019, 9:31 AM

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some pocket lint

warped sinew May 13, 2019, 9:31 AM

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2.50 monalisas

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:31 AM

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i can't buy anything with USD

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i need GBP

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good boy points

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thats the only way I can buy chicken nuggets

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:32 AM

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to sustain yourself

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:32 AM

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nah i just like chicken nuggets

thorn comet May 13, 2019, 9:34 AM

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chickennugget

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:34 AM

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K for real though

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the pay benches are stupid

rain cedar May 13, 2019, 9:53 AM

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They're kinda irrelevant

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Super cheap anyway

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Or in a shit spot you would never want to bench at (greenpath toll bench)

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:54 AM

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wouldnt say irrelevant

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 9:54 AM

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ah yes we are going through bad hk reviews once again

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:54 AM

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the price ya

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 9:54 AM

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the true modding experience

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:54 AM

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but theres just no reason to even cost mony

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 9:54 AM

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also thinkgrub zaliant is making music for the lush grotto when did this happen

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:54 AM

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they are?

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 9:56 AM

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`

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ah nvm

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 9:57 AM

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my dog was so happy to see me she peed

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 9:58 AM

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🤔

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 10:08 AM

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oh no Graig plays league

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 10:29 AM

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another one lost to a league addiction

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 10:34 AM

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its a fun game

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 10:35 AM

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ye its great besides riot existing

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i really liked the update where they gutted ad items because yasuo exists, and ruined the adc role, so you'd just run 2 burst mages botlane

torpid plank May 13, 2019, 10:43 AM

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~~Imagine playing League.~~

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hollowdab

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 10:44 AM

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imagine playing video games

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 10:48 AM

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imagine making video games

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I like sweet potato fries

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anyone else

rain cedar May 13, 2019, 10:49 AM

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yes

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 10:54 AM

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yes

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 1:02 PM

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yes

solar jacinth May 13, 2019, 1:15 PM

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yes

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Eww no

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But secretly also no

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 1:49 PM

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ok

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 2:36 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurosh_subgroup_theorem @cunning lagoon dis u

Kurosh subgroup theorem

In the mathematical field of group theory, the Kurosh subgroup theorem describes the algebraic structure of subgroups of free products of groups. The theorem was obtained by Alexander Kurosh, a Russian mathematician, in 1934. Informally, the theorem says that every subgroup o...

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 2:45 PM

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🤔

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 2:45 PM

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i didn't do any practice over the weekend, now i have way too many stuff due tomorrow to practice this evening 🙃

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btw how did the SAT go, mino?

cunning lagoon May 13, 2019, 2:48 PM

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🤔

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 2:51 PM

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the SAT was over a week ago. turned out okay tbh

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also sid that's a mood :^)

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 2:52 PM

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indeed

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what are you doing to review?

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 2:52 PM

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it's even funnier when you've forgotten part of your coursework

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ah i'm just doing past papers

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 2:52 PM

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ye, that's epic gamer moment

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forgetting coursework wearytiso

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 2:52 PM

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soulpensive

young walrus May 13, 2019, 2:54 PM

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I see a metroid fusion map up there

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Kreygasm

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 3:15 PM

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metroid fusion

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more like

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metroid poosion

solar jacinth May 13, 2019, 3:20 PM

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is it normal that an idle animation took me hours

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adope ps i love you but i hate you but i love you

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 3:29 PM

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you are animating with a mouse and in photoshop

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so seems about right

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 3:47 PM

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who dares mock metroid fusion in my presence

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 3:51 PM

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i'll mock linear algebra in your presence as well

young walrus May 13, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Mick mocks it, but don't mock mick's mock

solar jacinth May 13, 2019, 3:56 PM

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@jovial vault hey stop underestimating my holy mouse 😠

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 3:56 PM

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@jovial vault hey stop underestimating my holy mouse 😠

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 3:57 PM

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sigh

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current mood is doing a maths paper and half the questions going over your head

solar jacinth May 13, 2019, 4:03 PM

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math is cool, dont @ me

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:04 PM

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@solar jacinth

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:04 PM

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this is true

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 4:05 PM

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math is gay

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:05 PM

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no me

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 4:05 PM

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maths is cool

solar jacinth May 13, 2019, 4:05 PM

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math is straight

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 4:05 PM

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no

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it has a bunch of curves

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look at this y=x^2

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:06 PM

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maths is thicc

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gradow or homothety will see this later and sigh very very deeply

hazy sentinel May 13, 2019, 4:08 PM

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r=1-sinθ wearytiso

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:09 PM

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♥ wearytiso

dusky lion May 13, 2019, 4:09 PM

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se tonight

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:13 PM

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I prefer my curves to be smooth, thank you

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I prefer Gradow to be smooth

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 4:16 PM

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tentacle guy

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:18 PM

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gradow is a twice differentiable function 😩

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:19 PM

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if I were to precede my semi-regular stream with a short discussion on an interesting maths topic (as last time)

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how many people would stop watching me I wonder?

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:21 PM

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how many people would stop watching me I wonder?
not possible if you don't have viewers to begin with :gottem:

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:21 PM

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tsc you figured out my trick question

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:23 PM

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assuming you dont stream in the middle of the night i'll probably watch

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tho tbh i don't have a sleep schedule anymore stream whenever

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:23 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem

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very useful garmond

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:23 PM

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no

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I was thinking about the goldstein theorem

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:23 PM

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That theorem is easily disproven

brazen mortar May 13, 2019, 4:23 PM

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wheres the gradow theorem

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:24 PM

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By the ability to see other colors besides 4

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:24 PM

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mino: I usually stream after midnight here, so like more than 10 hours from now

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:24 PM

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ye that works for me

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:25 PM

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10 hours from now, that's 12 am for me

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sadgrub

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:25 PM

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I have a theorem mola, it's just not interesting or useful

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:25 PM

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just like my life

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c:

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:26 PM

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oof

brazen mortar May 13, 2019, 4:26 PM

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;(

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Actually that’s my life

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You still young. It’s too late for me

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:27 PM

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you must be this depressed to be a regular in #archived-modding-development

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:27 PM

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^

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:28 PM

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I’m only here to swoon Gradow

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:28 PM

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my life isn't bad, it's just uneventful

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which isn't necessarily a bad thing

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:28 PM

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https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.03714.pdf mola, page 4, Theorem 3.1

brazen mortar May 13, 2019, 4:30 PM

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im the only one not depressed apparently

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:30 PM

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I'm technically not depressed also

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:30 PM

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I’ll have what your having

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 4:30 PM

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math is pretty homosexual when you think about it

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any number can be added together

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:31 PM

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I'm technically not depressed also

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 4:31 PM

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prove me wrong

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Wtf are guys doing

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What am I missing out on

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:31 PM

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pride and accomplishment

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:31 PM

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True

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I just stay in bed all day

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:32 PM

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we are talking about math's sexuality

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:34 PM

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we have actually found a few small mistakes on that paper

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but the main result still holds

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:35 PM

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i don't get any of the notations sadgrub

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:37 PM

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that's fine sid

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Gradow what's the most contentious area of math right now

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is there like conspiracy theory math dudes

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:39 PM

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🤔

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 4:39 PM

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the ones that believe in some fucked up theorems that you make fun of

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 4:39 PM

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math conspiracy theories

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:40 PM

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meth conspiracy theories

torpid plank May 13, 2019, 4:41 PM

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seiroeht ycaripsnoc htam

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 4:43 PM

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"If any of the math looks complicated that's because it is." - Tony Stark

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its just formulas

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many just from trig

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:45 PM

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me doing maths like

gilded lotus May 13, 2019, 4:48 PM

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youre a formula

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 4:48 PM

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a mere tool

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 4:51 PM

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There's some of that, Lazy

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Not to that degree tho

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And it's not really contentious

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But there are some major disagreements

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 4:57 PM

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can you give an example

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 5:06 PM

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sure

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ever heard of the Axiom of Choice?

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Heya! So I’ve wanted to give Hollow Knight a try since I love Metroidvania games and I finally picked it up on the Switch last night. Played nonstop until midnight haha...and I’m at work right now just itching to get home to play more. But yeah, I know I’m late playing it but I love it already

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 5:09 PM

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where dat from

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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thank you kanye, very cool

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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#off-topic

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Is that really worth a copypasta though

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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you dont get to judge that jngo

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begone

fair rampart May 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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It's just a guy who enjoys the game

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but ok

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Mate literally everything gets turned into a copy pasta

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 5:12 PM

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🤔 i thought that was just someone who liked the game

hollow hearth May 13, 2019, 5:12 PM

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nobody said it wasnt

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but i see how it is

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 5:19 PM

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you dont get to judge that jngo
begone

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 5:21 PM

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there's also computational proofs, Lazy

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there's some ongoing discussion on the validity of those

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 5:26 PM

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whats the Axion of Choice

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it sounds cool

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 5:26 PM

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noot

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you know what an axiom is

charred parrot May 13, 2019, 5:28 PM

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does it have a specific math definition

solemn rivet May 13, 2019, 5:28 PM

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not mathematical

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just logical

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it's just basic rules you establish that you can then use to prove stuff

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philosophically you might think of them as "intuitively truth" or "naturally evident"

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like the principle of noncontradiction - that is, something can't be and not be at the same time

ornate rivet May 13, 2019, 7:54 PM

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time to reveal all ap physics c questions

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 8:14 PM

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axiom of choice, set theory :nowant:

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yea i heard it's quite controversial

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how did it go, saleh?

unborn flicker May 13, 2019, 8:20 PM

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It might be a little premature to say this, since I won't be able to do much work for the next week or two, but I was thinking I might try to implement some of the ideas in rando 3 for my next modding project. Mainly: additional randomized locations (keys/items, shards/ore, eggs/relics) and modes/toggles to enable those. Also, updating a lot of the old logic which has weird or wrong difficulty settings

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I've done basically nothing so far though zote
I might post a spreadsheet later today

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weak lodge May 13, 2019, 8:22 PM

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define basically nothing

unborn flicker May 13, 2019, 8:22 PM

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I have created the ideas for what I'm going to do; i.e. 99% of the actual work, and I'll find someone else to do the coding for exposure

trim totem May 13, 2019, 8:26 PM

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make a ng+ mod

dusky lion May 13, 2019, 8:28 PM

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modding idea
Combine all the modded bosses plus exaltation but functioning to make a ng+ mod

trim totem May 13, 2019, 8:28 PM

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this ain't it

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 8:28 PM

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heres a good idea

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boss scills

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someone else do the copy pasta

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thanks

weak lodge May 13, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Hey you should make a mod that lets you play as bosses but instead of hk scills you have boss scills

safe hamlet May 13, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Hey you should make a mod that lets you play as bosses but instead of hk scills you have boss scills

dusky lion May 13, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Some people asked me tonight why I originally left the hk discord

weak lodge May 13, 2019, 9:37 PM

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egg

ornate rivet May 13, 2019, 9:40 PM

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because lemm eat 10 eggs?

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:43 PM

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no egg here

weak lodge May 13, 2019, 9:43 PM

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no egg??!😰

ornate rivet May 13, 2019, 9:48 PM

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then how do you explain this

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🥚 🍆 🥚 🍆

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:49 PM

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those are emotes

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not real

ornate rivet May 13, 2019, 9:49 PM

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They are real sadgrub

leaden hedge May 13, 2019, 9:53 PM

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just as real as my desire to mod hollow knight

trim totem May 13, 2019, 10:02 PM

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wtf did you post in livestreams saleh

ornate rivet May 13, 2019, 10:08 PM

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The first sound that came into my mind

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every 6 hours, I try to write something nice there

jovial vault May 13, 2019, 10:48 PM

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thinkgrub

unborn flicker May 13, 2019, 11:58 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dvIbTW71sGILhT0WiAPEWI8CDuJrISzBQt-fLx1J8gs/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Rando 3? logic

Guidelines

Item requirements,Difficulty settings
FIREBALL,SHADESKIPS
DASH,ACIDSKIPS
SUPERDASH,SPIKETUNNELS
CLAW,MISCSKIPS
WINGS,FIREBALLSKIPS
ACID,MAGSKIPS
SHADOWDASH
BALDURS,Please use these terms as they are written. Put spaces around each "|" or "+"
SHARPSHADOW
JONI,//for...

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I didn't feel like booting up the game, though, so I kinda just guessed on all the new stuff :/

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@mossy pike Are you still interested in writing logic for randomizing relics?

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 12:54 AM

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@jovial vault i did it https://puu.sh/DrYWH/130143bb40.png

warped sinew May 14, 2019, 1:00 AM

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@unborn flicker are you some kinda spreadsheet god???

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 1:00 AM

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hmmm

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maybe I find it addictive or something ¯_(ツ)_/¯

trim totem May 14, 2019, 1:00 AM

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homothety getting hired for team cherry i see

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 1:01 AM

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the sad part about this is I do a fair bit of work, but I almost never pick up actual spreadsheet skills

warped sinew May 14, 2019, 1:01 AM

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We use an in-house spreadsheet for testing maybe you can make it better??????

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 1:02 AM

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the entries are too idiosyncratic for commands to really help, except for mass revision sometimes

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 1:03 AM

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I'm an excel pro

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where can I apply

warped sinew May 14, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Sub 20 AB and you can have my job

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 1:05 AM

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sure thing

leaden hedge May 14, 2019, 1:07 AM

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do you have a spreadsheet on the dps that 144damage fluke would do hollowdab

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 1:07 AM

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VS has ~.44s cast+recovery

warped sinew May 14, 2019, 1:07 AM

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No one tested fluke woops

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 1:08 AM

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so about 327 dmg/s with infinite soul

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:)

leaden hedge May 14, 2019, 1:08 AM

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what are you even being paid for if to not stop 144 damage fluke getting into the game

trim totem May 14, 2019, 1:08 AM

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graig how much are you paid

leaden hedge May 14, 2019, 1:08 AM

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hes paid in exposure

warped sinew May 14, 2019, 1:09 AM

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If you saw how many bugs I actually stop you would understand

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 1:09 AM

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balance comes way after bugs in testing, I'd imagine

warped sinew May 14, 2019, 1:09 AM

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You think the game is buggy when you see it, you should see it when I first get it

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Well they are much better now though. Its a learning process this coding thing

leaden hedge May 14, 2019, 1:12 AM

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i can't really comment on the recent updates

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and I don't even think I played then, it should be a few more months back

weak lodge May 14, 2019, 1:38 AM

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actually no

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Θ

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yesss

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Θ

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 1:40 AM

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zero context discord

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gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 1:41 AM

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https://puu.sh/Ds09j/9720f2c9f1.png zero context discord

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 2:28 AM

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👀

shy cloak May 14, 2019, 2:35 AM

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What's this about rando3?

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 2:44 AM

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All right. I have successfully randomized the shopkeeper's key location. Unfortunately, that did not coincide with successfully randomizing shopkeeper's key, but you really can't ask for everything, y'know

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 3:10 AM

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ahhh, that actually worked

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I should probably find the real asset for it though

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So, this is the Avalanche-Activate FSM for the room with King's Brand. Am I right that it's testing for if you've picked up the item or if you have King's Brand here?

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copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:22 AM

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yeah

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 3:23 AM

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how would I remove the check for King's Brand, then?

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the location is randomized correctly, but you can't get there rn if you find brand first

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Swap the boolName to the item you're going to get now

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I get the idea, but is there any good resource for seeing how to call or edit fsms in the first place?

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:26 AM

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There's an FsmUtil class in ModCommon

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I didn't have to use them for the last mod

safe hamlet May 14, 2019, 3:26 AM

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the way i learned it is to look at other mods

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I think Saleh was working on an intro to fsms thing

safe hamlet May 14, 2019, 3:27 AM

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it's quite intuitive as well, just look at some mod and you will get it

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idk if he's done tho

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:28 AM

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like just watch playmaker tuts

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:28 AM

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x

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 3:29 AM

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x is just a low budget ❌

dusky lion May 14, 2019, 3:31 AM

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✖

safe hamlet May 14, 2019, 3:31 AM

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✖

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2 v 1, i win

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:gotem:

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:31 AM

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the basic idea is each FSM has an array of states

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and each state has an array of actions

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You can access these by index or using LINQ

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States are easier to get with LINQ, for Actions either works

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You can get an FSM off a gameObject using LocateMyFSM

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:32 AM

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I just realized I never looked into how playmaker works in the backend

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also for some fucking idiotic reason

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FixedUpdate versions of actions just arent a thing

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for the most part

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I know its easy to make them

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but like

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why

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:33 AM

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an example of getting a state by name is HeroController.instance.spellControl.States.First(x => x.Name == "StateName")

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 3:33 AM

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i, as another modder, who also codes, hates when that happens too @charred parrot

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 3:33 AM

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spell control is the fsm?

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Yeah

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There are also extension methods which make stuff like that easier like the stuff in FsmUtil and the thing Sean uses

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so something like

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 3:34 AM

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for an fsm that I found from the scene, how would I search for it?

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:34 AM

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HeroController.instance.spellControl.GetAction<Type>("state")

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 3:34 AM

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milliS

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:34 AM

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problem with playmaker and other visual scripters is that you just hit a point where it's a bitch to do the complicated thing on an fsm

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so you might as well learn code

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:35 AM

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You find the gameobject by name

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So like "x - y"

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GameObject.Find("x").LocateMyFSM("y")

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 3:36 AM

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I... Think I'm gonna stream?

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 3:36 AM

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👀

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:36 AM

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no null checks reeee?

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 3:38 AM

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I get it now. So "Avalanche-Activate" would be GameObject.Find("Avalanche").LocateMyFSM("Activate"). Thanks!

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:38 AM

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ye

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:39 AM

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uuuh

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 3:39 AM

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playing a hat in time

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idk why

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:39 AM

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oh cool I'll watch

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NYAKUZA METRO REEE

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wait

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idk what the FSM methods you guys are using do

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but Avalanche is the name of the FSM no?

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not the gameobject

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:41 AM

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you are bad

frosty pier May 14, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Hey can somebody help me out? I turned of lightbringer b/c I wanted to play a different mod, I started a new save file. But then once I got the howling wraiths spell, it was tiny like the lightbringer version. Anybody know how to fix this?

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:41 AM

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hey man I'm just working off of names

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:41 AM

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lightbringer doesn't change wraiths

frosty pier May 14, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Which mod does then?

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B/c it's so damn tiny.

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It's just disheartening

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:42 AM

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none

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wraiths just sucks

frosty pier May 14, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Sorry not howling wraiths, vengeful spirit

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Totally said it wrong

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:42 AM

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no mod changes vs size either afaik

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the only thing which changes the size is shaman

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which is vanilla

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:44 AM

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ew

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modding

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:44 AM

#

GWchadMEGATHINK

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charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:44 AM

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petition to change #archived-modding-development to #gamemaking

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:44 AM

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no

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:44 AM

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who made you the mod

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:44 AM

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simo

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:45 AM

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no

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it was me

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:45 AM

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no

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:45 AM

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ya 😦

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 3:45 AM

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or was it the south asian who keeps on stealing your mangoes

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:45 AM

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who wants to play League

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I fucking love mangos btw

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 3:46 AM

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nice same

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:46 AM

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but the past 3 I've peeled open have turned out to be bad

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and it's getting to me

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 3:46 AM

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i have a bunch of mango trees in my lawn

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oof

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:46 AM

#

anyway

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League though

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anyone want?

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 3:46 AM

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l GWjiangoOmegaLUL l

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:46 AM

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k so 56 is in

frosty pier May 14, 2019, 3:47 AM

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I might be going insane with the size thing now that I think about it. Honestly I'm so used to the size of shade soul it might just be fucking with me.

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 3:52 AM

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@charred parrot NA?

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 3:52 AM

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ya

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 3:53 AM

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ill see how big my patching is

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i havent played in like a year

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lazy what your ign

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:05 AM

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igotlazy

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whoever wants to join me in vc feel free

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also last call for league

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||plz join I want friends||

safe hamlet May 14, 2019, 4:06 AM

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no u

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 4:07 AM

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give me 10 min im watching gradow's stream rn

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:07 AM

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wait

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are you even on NA

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 4:08 AM

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i meant vc

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:08 AM

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oh

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ah

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I see

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just have Gradow join VC

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ez

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:10 AM

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lmao he sees you

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:11 AM

#

?

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 4:11 AM

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he sees you

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 4:11 AM

#

gradow's talking about you on stream

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:11 AM

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link me

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whats he saying

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calling me bad

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probably

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 4:12 AM

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he was reading modding out aloud

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 4:12 AM

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gradow is cute

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:12 AM

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thats pretty gay

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Am I doing something wrong for none of these to have worked?

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solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:13 AM

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So um

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Blackout for some reason

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It's not even raining or anything

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notlikequirrel

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:14 AM

#

f

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:14 AM

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that should've worked homothety

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you might want to try waiting a frame

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Or

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:14 AM

#

f

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Check and make sure that Avalanche isn't a child

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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I'm literally sitting in the dark typing this up on my phone when it's 1am here

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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unfortunate

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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soulpensive

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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how's ahit

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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It's ded

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No light

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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:maggotPrime:

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Pc ded

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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i mean how is the game

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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I love it

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:15 AM

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he couldnt even get the varsity jacket yet cryla

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:16 AM

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I was about to get it too

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:16 AM

#

he was halfway through buying the baseball bat when the stream died

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:17 AM

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And it's back

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Now just wait for the modem to connect

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:17 AM

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nice

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I wonder if khan is looking here

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:18 AM

#

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noot

trim totem May 14, 2019, 4:18 AM

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yes

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:18 AM

#

@unborn flicker When you call GameObject.Find does it return null?

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:18 AM

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wtf khan, whyd you start streaming

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now I'll be torn between watching Gradow and you

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I can try and log for that

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Oof we had a blackout last night

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

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wait, khan stream?

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Twitch said he started streaming

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idk

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

#

pogger

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just give me a minute and I'll be back

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:23 AM

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yep, found null

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:23 AM

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unfortunate

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What method is that

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:23 AM

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I did this

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copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:24 AM

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You misspelled it

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:24 AM

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fascinating

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 4:24 AM

#

avalanache

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:26 AM

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ok, no message this time

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:26 AM

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now check if the fsm is null

safe hamlet May 14, 2019, 4:27 AM

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wait why are you null checking after

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:27 AM

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oh wait yeah

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If it doesn't throw before getting there that means fsm isn't null

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all of the commented out lines should've worked

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:30 AM

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no message from this either

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copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:31 AM

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None of the commented out lines work at all?

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:31 AM

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nope. For all them, the room is normal entering with no items, and immediately enters cutscene entering with brand

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:33 AM

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put a log after the commented out lines

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and see if it activates

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w/ one of them uncommented

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:36 AM

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it does log with only the fsmstate line uncommented

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I'll check with all

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:36 AM

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not all

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just one of them

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cause like 2nd and 4th will conflict

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

#

logs with all 4

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copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

#

and it still doesn't do anything?

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

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nothing, I'm giving myself brand with debug outside the room

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you mentioned checking if this fsm is a child earlier?

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:40 AM

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yeah but i checked and it isn't

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if it was a child GameObject.Find could return null

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:41 AM

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huh

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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uhh

#

You could try just never having it go to Idle

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Change the state it gets to Pause

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and remove all transitions to idle

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I'll also destroy avalanche end

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well, destroying avalanche end at least lets you get to the item

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the avalanche still happens, but you can just walk out

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:46 AM

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very nice

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:47 AM

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what did you mean by "change the state it gets"?

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:47 AM

#

.GetState

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you get "Idle"

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i was saying get "Pause"

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and then kill all the transitions to idle

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Ok, I see what you mean now

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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@solemn rivet

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charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:48 AM

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oh no

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:49 AM

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i do not like this image

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 4:52 AM

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ok, removing the transition from pause to idle does nothing

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but it's functional now so I'm happy I guess. Thanks for the help 56

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 4:53 AM

#

GWczoneHotdog

#

yw

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 5:16 AM

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also, is that bow kid as cursed as this

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dusky lion May 14, 2019, 5:33 AM

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stressful image

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 5:38 AM

#

myurder

#

@solemn rivet

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fair rampart May 14, 2019, 5:40 AM

#

ᵖᵉᶜᵏ

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 5:41 AM

#

same

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 5:54 AM

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good job kris

mossy pike May 14, 2019, 6:05 AM

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@unborn flicker yeah, and I'll have more time to figure it out in the following weeks

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 6:05 AM

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ok no rush

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 6:06 AM

#

Myeerde

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 6:29 AM

#

Unbelievable

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gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 6:31 AM

#

homothety is cute

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 6:32 AM

#

It took me way to long to realize that this fsm had only been modified for relics, and even after that I think it took me another 30 minutes to get past the stupid case sensitive filter 😩

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dusky lion May 14, 2019, 6:43 AM

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homothety is cute

silk jetty May 14, 2019, 6:43 AM

#

^

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im being nice today because evo did dopamine magic

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 6:49 AM

#

im being nice today because my depression has drained the will to do anything else out of me

rain cedar May 14, 2019, 6:54 AM

#

Why are you making interpolated strings that are actually constants?

#

@unborn flicker

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Oh I'll take that out later

#

That was in the original, which just added trinketnum to "Trink "

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Which led to many strange errors for trinketnum>4

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

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dis comic

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 7:30 AM

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really makes you think

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 2:53 PM

#

lazy

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 4:33 PM

#

ya what?

#

@solemn rivet

mellow elbow May 14, 2019, 5:58 PM

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is there any documentation on how the randomizer works? the readme is not very helpful

pale raven May 14, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

@mellow elbow randomizer 2?

mellow elbow May 14, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

yes

pale raven May 14, 2019, 5:58 PM

#

you see

#

everything in shops can get switched

#

and drops from enemies too

#

this in mind, you can buy a mantis claw

#

by drops from enemies i mean like in soul master he can give you something other than dive

#

you can buy skills and upgrades

mellow elbow May 14, 2019, 5:59 PM

#

yeah

pale raven May 14, 2019, 5:59 PM

#

this is one of its features

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which i have in this current save

mellow elbow May 14, 2019, 6:00 PM

#

I'm just not quite sure what the settings do when starting a save

pale raven May 14, 2019, 6:00 PM

#

correct, you can buy an unbreakable charm for barely 100

#

oh, just dont click any

#

they arent needed

mellow elbow May 14, 2019, 6:00 PM

#

ah

#

ok

pale raven May 14, 2019, 6:04 PM

#

enemy randomizer is quite hell

#

my husk guard in a room before false knight is the collector

mellow elbow May 14, 2019, 6:14 PM

#

oof

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 6:18 PM

#

If you aren’t sure what the settings do. Don’t touch them

shy cloak May 14, 2019, 6:20 PM

#

@mellow elbow the options on the left allow you to specify advanced movement techniques that you know. They change the logic so objects can be placed in different areas. The options in the middle specify what it takes to enter the black egg and face HK; if you choose all bosses, you're required to kill all the bosses first. The last set of options are QoL stuff; if you talk to Lemm from the right it'll sell all the items at once instead of doing it one at a time, and the salubra charm notches will be given to you without having to go back to her and buy them once you have the right number of charms.

mellow elbow May 14, 2019, 6:20 PM

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ah thanks

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 10:14 PM

#

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solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 10:14 PM

#

Lazy

jovial vault May 14, 2019, 10:15 PM

#

Lazy

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 10:21 PM

#

Lazy

safe hamlet May 14, 2019, 10:24 PM

#

Lazy

ornate rivet May 14, 2019, 10:25 PM

#

Lazy

dusky lion May 14, 2019, 10:29 PM

#

Lazy

leaden hedge May 14, 2019, 10:34 PM

#

yzaL

charred parrot May 14, 2019, 10:37 PM

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its good to know you're appreciated

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 10:42 PM

#

2lazy5me

brazen mortar May 14, 2019, 10:56 PM

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I love you lazy

ornate rivet May 14, 2019, 10:59 PM

#

smh cheating on 56 wearytiso

brazen mortar May 14, 2019, 11:02 PM

#

:sadgrub: 56 wont love me

#

Thanks

#

sadgrub

#

There

worthy sphinx May 14, 2019, 11:05 PM

#

Cute

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 11:06 PM

#

Don't be sad, mola

#

We don't deserve 56

#

We're all unworthy of his love

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 11:09 PM

#

gradow wont love me

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 11:10 PM

#

sorry

#

Hat Kid is my only true love

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 11:10 PM

#

thats illegal

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 11:11 PM

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

ok

#

hmm

#

robin then

gilded lotus May 14, 2019, 11:12 PM

#

hmm

dusky lion May 14, 2019, 11:13 PM

#

counterargument:

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solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 11:14 PM

#

marry me then

#

that's how it works, right?

young walrus May 14, 2019, 11:14 PM

#

yup

#

can confirm

dusky lion May 14, 2019, 11:14 PM

#

okay

#

@copper nacelle noot

buoyant obsidian May 14, 2019, 11:15 PM

#

does marriage follow the distributive property?

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 11:15 PM

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it's transitive

#

that's what matters

dusky lion May 14, 2019, 11:15 PM

#

reminder to play one finger death punch 2

unborn flicker May 14, 2019, 11:31 PM

#

Best item 😏

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glacial musk May 14, 2019, 11:36 PM

#

is there a link to the mods in the installer and what each of them do?

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 11:37 PM

#

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 11:37 PM

#

this ain't it

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 11:37 PM

#

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

copper nacelle May 14, 2019, 11:37 PM

#

there's a summaries doc with a basic explanation of each mod @glacial musk

young walrus May 14, 2019, 11:38 PM

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this ain't it

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 11:38 PM

#

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

safe hamlet May 14, 2019, 11:38 PM

#

there's a summaries doc with a basic explanation of each mod

brazen mortar May 14, 2019, 11:40 PM

#

this ain’t it

vagrant leaf May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

hello #archived-modding-developmenters

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it's me

#

a foreigner

young walrus May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

mickelPog

vagrant leaf May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

okay

young walrus May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

DAD

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

Hi banan what mod are you making

vagrant leaf May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

goodbye

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

I bet it's real cool and juicy

vagrant leaf May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

i am indeed making a mod

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

When is it releasing

#

What is it about

young walrus May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

you're having a kid?

vagrant leaf May 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

#

the problem is that it's not for hollow knight

#

that too

fair rampart May 14, 2019, 11:42 PM

#

Is your kid going to make a mod

brazen mortar May 14, 2019, 11:42 PM

#

Adapt it for hollow knight

vagrant leaf May 14, 2019, 11:48 PM

#

no

#

my kid may or may not make a mod

#

i'll have to ask my employers

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 11:53 PM

#

GWchadThinkeyes

buoyant obsidian May 14, 2019, 11:55 PM

#

are you making a kid or a mod

young walrus May 14, 2019, 11:55 PM

#

yes

#

modded kid

#

cybernetics

dusky lion May 14, 2019, 11:55 PM

#

is that the REAL PrehistoricBanana

solemn rivet May 14, 2019, 11:56 PM

#

fakenews

vagrant leaf May 15, 2019, 12:00 AM

#

i'm making a mod and a kid

#

both

#

i am growing the mod in my womb and writing the kid out of code

dusky lion May 15, 2019, 12:05 AM

#

how dare you describe the plot of nier automata to me

solemn rivet May 15, 2019, 12:05 AM

#

spoilers!!!