archived-modding-development

[fair rampart]

that would be because she's moving too fast to get hit by all three hits unless she's doing the gossamer storm

[leaden hedge]

its hella free to hit all 3

[fair rampart]

shade soul can more consistently 2-hit her and deal more damage

but I'm bikeshedding

[warped sinew]

Like I said it just comes down to project scope, the game could have been smaller with better polish or bigger with less. They chose bigger game less polish. Someone else might chose the other and that's fine too

[leaden hedge]

just the dumb spell sucky sucks shit in

[charred parrot]

I would argue that HK didn't need to be as big as it is. A common thing I've seen with people is that they're like "wait another area wtf?" at least 3 times throughout a playthrough

But hindsight is 20/20

you know?

[gilded lotus]

I loved it personally

[leaden hedge]

they could have made the areas smaller and used that time to actually design and test bosses for release

[fair rampart]

lol I give up

[charred parrot]

Coulda, shoulda woulda

[fair rampart]

some people will never be happy

[leaden hedge]

then we wouldn't have had mimic spider or traitor lord

[gilded lotus]

Traitor spider

[jovial vault]

Im personally fine with the game as is

[leaden hedge]

its not even perfectionism, I have no problem with the genuine issues the game has

like televator

[charred parrot]

Personally I'm surprised that they had a successful kickstarter. The game looked fine back then but nothing tooooo crazy.

Then Ari was like

[leaden hedge]

sure its hella glitchy

[charred parrot]

cracks knuckles
Well then... I guess I'm going hard now.

[gilded lotus]

I have a problem with nosk

[jovial vault]

LMAO

[gilded lotus]

All that buildup

[jovial vault]

Lazy lets kickstart

[gilded lotus]

It just doesn’t feel engaging

[charred parrot]

||later||

[jovial vault]

Nosk but not a shitty boss - a mod coming to you soon

[gilded lotus]

Hire me for music on it 👀

[leaden hedge]

but like why is fotf in the game in its current state

[charred parrot]

fotf?

[leaden hedge]

its designed as an item for people who have mastered the game

but anyone who knows the game, knows spells are way better

[safe hamlet]

btw on a different note, does anyone know why my frame rates drop to absolute 0 when fighting traitor lord or sly? other people have had this problem too

[leaden hedge]

and a nail charm is pointless

[gilded lotus]

Furry of the fleabags

[fair rampart]

fotf exists for speedrun niches and people who want to power through things super fast

there's its use

[leaden hedge]

except no one uses it for those things

because spells are way better

[copper nacelle]

But it's not good for runs

It's used in like two

[fair rampart]

i wanna toaster bath

[leaden hedge]

easy fix

[copper nacelle]

With one of them being PoH

[leaden hedge]

make it useful for spells

[charred parrot]

idk wtf are there half the charms in the game

[trim totem]

most of the charms are bad

[fair rampart]

how about "fotf is great for early portions of speedruns (watch one) and for the pantheons"

[leaden hedge]

most of the charms atleast fulfil their niche

[charred parrot]

you don't NEED to balance the charms perfectly since they build on the base game

they're extensions

[fair rampart]

no lazy, every charm must be useful in every situation

[leaden hedge]

its only used in 1xx%

[fair rampart]

or it's RUINED

[leaden hedge]

and its used for like 2 fights and saves no time

[copper nacelle]

But it's only used in 1xx early game

Yeah

It's not even worth grabbing for other cats

[fair rampart]

i feel that it's a very tart blueberry in a big bowl of blueberries

[warped sinew]

Fotf is used in pantheon speed runs

[rain cedar]

Excuse me KDT it's 3 fights

[fair rampart]

some people may not like the tart berry, and that's fine, but there's no need to hate the whole bowl for the berry being tart, or to expend a ton of effort being upset about the tart one

[leaden hedge]

ye well nail4 is op

[charred parrot]

Womb viability where?

[rain cedar]

False knight, hornet, soul master

[leaden hedge]

ok sorry

i've not seen the run since lifeblood

[charred parrot]

I want the BRO build to be viable

[fair rampart]

omegalol

[leaden hedge]

back when it was 10x%

[charred parrot]

Weaversong, Womb, Grimchild, Dreamshield

All the bros

[leaden hedge]

you know 1xx% would use for the entire run too

[charred parrot]

I want that viable

[leaden hedge]

if there wasn't dumb mechanics

[charred parrot]

Graig can you tell them to make it viable kk thanks

[leaden hedge]

like more nail = more boss hp for dream warriors

[fair rampart]

well my bullshit tolerance is rapidly running out so I'm gonna go to bed, later gamers

[warped sinew]

Arguing about why charms exist based on what use they have in game is missing the point. Charms exist to give variety of ways to play.

[charred parrot]

There is no perfect balance

there will always be shit charms

[leaden hedge]

and you can deduce the point of them, and they should fulfil that point, I can tell jonis blessing is designed to be used if you don't think you can heal and want more health

and jonis does do that

is it good

not really

[charred parrot]

what's the point of Womb

[leaden hedge]

to be shit

and it fulfils its job perfectly

[rain cedar]

To kill baldurs in randomizer

[charred parrot]

no it's to make exploding little Knights that I grow overly attached too

[fair rampart]

cute knightlings

womb + weaversong + grubsong + grimmchild is s-tier

[charred parrot]

and so I can yell out "GET EM BOYS" when they all go off on a single Vengefly

that's FUN

it's FUN

don't need to be viable

[fair rampart]

probably about c-tier for mechanics for s-tier for fun

[leaden hedge]

so is doing 56damage with fotf

[fair rampart]

it was the build I first used to beat PV

[leaden hedge]

and killing nkg in 1minute

[warped sinew]

No things can't be added for fun. Only purpose to game matters and perfect balance

[leaden hedge]

doesn't mean fotf is a good charm that shouldn't have been changed a year ago

[charred parrot]

PERFECT BALANCE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[fair rampart]

some people exist only to complain

[leaden hedge]

if its only fun that matters

[fair rampart]

just block and move on

[charred parrot]

what no lol

[leaden hedge]

please put 144 damage flukenest back in

that was fun

[charred parrot]

KDT complaining and finding certain things more important than others is completely fine

[leaden hedge]

clearly balance does matter

because that was nerfed

[safe hamlet]

i don't believe anyone here is saying it isn't

[leaden hedge]

you even nerfed random shit thats not even good like quicknail

[fair rampart]

I just have no filter and no tolerance for whining so I'm tuning it out until tomorrow or so

[leaden hedge]

before the first major patch

[warped sinew]

QS is incredibly good wtf are you talking about lol

[leaden hedge]

and you didn't even make it worse, you made it more expensive

is it good enough to be basically the only charm to get nerfed 🤔

[rain cedar]

More expensive clearly is worse

Or more people would use soul eater

[fair rampart]

soul eater is wonderful on spell builds

I love it

[leaden hedge]

soul eater is good

[gilded lotus]

Soul yeeter

[leaden hedge]

the cost doesn't matter

[rain cedar]

Yes, only good

[leaden hedge]

because of overcharm

[fair rampart]

I usually use soul catcher on hybrid and soul eater on pure "soul goes to spells only"

[leaden hedge]

soul eater is better than catcher numerically afaik

[rain cedar]

It's way better

[leaden hedge]

only reason to not use is because you can't fit it in

which is likely because theres a bunch of spell charms

unlike nail

which has

thats it

im out of none quicknail 100% use charms

[rain cedar]

Mark of pride, longnail, fury, strength, quickslash, heavy blow

[charred parrot]

womb

[rain cedar]

You can't seriously say there's no nail charms

[leaden hedge]

yeah they affect the nail

i mean they aren't 100% use

[warped sinew]

Steady blow

[charred parrot]

womb

[leaden hedge]

f str is risky, and people don't use fotf

[fair rampart]

heavy blow is the one charm you ever need

[leaden hedge]

and the others don't do more damage

[gilded lotus]

Nail masters womb

[charred parrot]

no please

[fair rampart]

owo

[charred parrot]

NO PLEASE

dont bring that to art discussion

[safe hamlet]

🚔

[charred parrot]

Im scared of the horrors

[fair rampart]

i want the nailmaster to give me the heavy blow

[charred parrot]

they might bring to reality

[leaden hedge]

im not saying that theres no charms for nail

just the spell charms are much more consistent, safe and useful

[charred parrot]

I'd say the state of imbalance early on in the game was acceptable

[leaden hedge]

50% extra nail but it breaks if you die vs 33% bonus spell damage with no risk

[safe hamlet]

i prefer nail build most of the times

[leaden hedge]

one of these is something a new player is willing to equip all the time

one of them isnt

[fair rampart]

I'm a spell baby

I just really like how versatile they are

[charred parrot]

what I will say though is that the expansions probably should have made more changes to things like charms and the like

[safe hamlet]

even for absrad, i use nail because i can't time spells

[charred parrot]

since at that point they had the player size to test like

[warped sinew]

New players never use spells

[charred parrot]

everything

GRANTED

people are so used to certain values

[fair rampart]

false! I used them extensively on my first run

[charred parrot]

and whats good and whats bad

[leaden hedge]

i used spells after I used them once

[charred parrot]

that in a single player experience it's probably just not worth it to change

[fair rampart]

I was conservative with soul, but I was never afraid to sling a shade soul out when I had some to spare

[leaden hedge]

then released they did like 5 times the damage of my nail

[jovial vault]

i started using spells about halfway through

[charred parrot]

I thought the Dive was useless as a combat move for a while

[fair rampart]

I learned early on that it was a tradeoff between life insurance and extra damage

[leaden hedge]

then you get dive and it makes you invincible

[charred parrot]

like why smack my face into things

[leaden hedge]

and then you're like what

good game boys

[fair rampart]

but I love glass cannony stuff so I usually chose the damage

[leaden hedge]

then you realize you can get the soul back for dive in dive iframes

[charred parrot]

worst upgrade in the game is Tear don't @ me

strange conceptually and doesn't enhance gameplay at all

[rain cedar]

It easily is though

[fair rampart]

tear is underwhelming but nonetheless has a decent impact

[rain cedar]

You can get everywhere without it

[gilded lotus]

I agree

Once you get it

[fair rampart]

I always appreciate when I'm about to fall into an acid pool and panicking and then I'm just like "oh!"

[charred parrot]

not only that it's just super... bland
Is there acid water? Yes? Tear.

That's it

[gilded lotus]

Fungal wastes loses its charm

[leaden hedge]

you know whats even more annoying about charms

[charred parrot]

pretty much every other upgrade adds something

[fair rampart]

what if you could show isma's tear to dung defender and he'd start crying and make ogrim's tear that made you immune to dung

please god kdt stop

we know

please

[leaden hedge]

I spent forever complaining about fotf+fstr not affecting nail arts

and they finally fix it

but only if you have nailmaster on

[charred parrot]

why would you not have it on

[copper nacelle]

it's just fotf isn't it

[jovial vault]

LMAO

[copper nacelle]

or am I being a fool

[leaden hedge]

yeah it is

[jovial vault]

a fooo

[leaden hedge]

they should both affect it

all the time

[fair rampart]

the fool fighters

[gilded lotus]

Hi mino

Big fan

[charred parrot]

wouldnt be surprised if theres some strange coding reason as to why it only affects with nailmaster

I do think the nail arts could have been better though

only 3

[warped sinew]

Probably lol

[charred parrot]

and they're not too useful

[fair rampart]

the pretenders by foo fighters except the colosseum of fools drums play through the whole song

fool fighters

[leaden hedge]

i mean i understand why str doesn't also apply

[fair rampart]

colosseum of fools music is underrated

[leaden hedge]

a 2x + 1.5x + 1.75x nail modifier is a little strong

[charred parrot]

BIG BOY SLASH

[fair rampart]

there's something so primal about the drums

mmf

[charred parrot]

1 SHOT THE BIG BOYS

[fair rampart]

you feel that stuff in your BONES man

[charred parrot]

FUCK YOU VENGEFLY KING

[leaden hedge]

it'd only do like 140 damage

[jovial vault]

whenever zaliant says big fan i go 🤔

lazy are you ok

[charred parrot]

END MY LIFE BIG BOY

[jovial vault]

you have an exam in like 12 hours

[warped sinew]

Nah the drums aren't balanced enough in that piece of music. Needs more work obviously.

[fair rampart]

I honestly think they're great

[safe hamlet]

mino, stop worrying about others' exams

[fair rampart]

they're not too obtrusive or subtle

[charred parrot]

Music in HK isn't balanced

shit game

[safe hamlet]

practice your sat or something, smh

[fair rampart]

it's just the slamming of drums and their sticks to the sound of killing or being killed

speaking of vengefly btw

[jovial vault]

mr 003 i am suffering™ so

[fair rampart]

I love when I'm watching a speedrun and someone kills him in CoF before he finishes the roar animation

[safe hamlet]

speaking of vengefly king, aspid king when

[charred parrot]

O_____O

[fair rampart]

it makes them come off as like "holy fucc I just got melted"

[jovial vault]

who needs an aspid king

it'd just be a pain in the ass

[charred parrot]

they're onto us boys

[safe hamlet]

it's literally 1:30 for me, and i am working on this project

[charred parrot]

bail

bail

[fair rampart]

say it with me fellas

primal aspids are easy to kill

[jovial vault]

lazy shhhh

[leaden hedge]

i loved when you'd kill radiance phase 1 and 2 before she spawned in with fluke

[copper nacelle]

it's literally 1:30 for me, and i am eating some Nutella on toast

[safe hamlet]

56, why are you not asleep

[leaden hedge]

and then it'd break the game casue well coded

[safe hamlet]

go to sleep like a good boi

[jovial vault]

56 living the lif

e

it's 10:31 am i should go to bed

[charred parrot]

KDT make a Hollow Knight fighting game

[copper nacelle]

no

[safe hamlet]

i don't know any programmer whose sleep schedule isn't messed up

[charred parrot]

true statement

[leaden hedge]

main character is too short

[safe hamlet]

literally none

[copper nacelle]

I slept from 5pm to 11pm

perfect sleep schedule wdym

[fair rampart]

nice

[leaden hedge]

and tall characters too tall

[safe hamlet]

very nice

[fair rampart]

hollow knight fighting game except halfway through you have a breakdown because you realize that no game will ever be perfectly balnaced

[charred parrot]

KDT just take a human character and slap the Knight's head on

problem solved

Hey guys lets make Hollow Knight

buts its 3D

[fair rampart]

scills

[charred parrot]

and Dark Soulsy

aka

Dark Souls

[leaden hedge]

just make him a copy of neco-arc chaos

[fair rampart]

hollow knight is just 2d dark souls dab

[copper nacelle]

but it's already 3d

just rotate the camera a bit

[charred parrot]

oh my god that guy

1 sec let me find it

[jovial vault]

he went in commented in general

[leaden hedge]

and have him skoot across the ground in snail form, and stab people in the shins with a cigarette

[jovial vault]

after yall copypasta-d him

that there seemed to be bots in modding

that would copy back to you whatever you said

[copper nacelle]

[fair rampart]

I wish the soulslike label would die

[jovial vault]

be the one to kill it

🔪

[leaden hedge]

its already dead

[fair rampart]

I am but a lowly individual

[leaden hedge]

and fromsoft killed it with darksouls2

[charred parrot]

I'm looking through these logs and mino is talking more about our game then me

pensive

[jovial vault]

uwu

[gilded lotus]

Can I be a soulslike

[fair rampart]

yes

[jovial vault]

gotta breach nda

but casually

[gilded lotus]

So people wish I could just die

[jovial vault]

pensive

[fair rampart]

I refuse to ever use the term soulslike but the games industry doesn't

your avatar is cute so you are thus forbidden from dying

[leaden hedge]

games industry killed rougelikes too

[copper nacelle]

lied to again

[fair rampart]

in my defense

that was also a fromsoft game

[charred parrot]

why can I not find this guy

[copper nacelle]

fair

[leaden hedge]

kb+m is fine

just fromsoft is japanese

[safe hamlet]

what guy

[fair rampart]

but ah who am I kidding you got me there

[leaden hedge]

and don't seem to understand keyboards

[safe hamlet]

who guy

[jovial vault]

one sec ill find it for you

[fair rampart]

generally fromsoft kind of follows a very set formula

[safe hamlet]

yea i will find it for you too

[fair rampart]

with deviations, yeah, but still the same core gameplay

[charred parrot]

there we go

you guys were so mean to this guy

holy fuck

[fair rampart]

ah, I remember him

[jovial vault]

tbf they tried to be mean to you but you were just as jaded so

[charred parrot]

oh when I first introduced it?

[jovial vault]

ye

[rain cedar]

Nah I was mean at the initial idea of "make a game with me"

[charred parrot]

ya but at that point I knew I could do it myself

[rain cedar]

It's a lot better when the project is already started though

[charred parrot]

anyone else would have just been help

[fair rampart]

his vision was obviously not going to get off the ground that much but I still wouldn't have crapped all over his idea in his face

there's kind of a certain common decency I like to have unless someone has gone out of their way to attack me

inspiration and drive as a developer isn't an easy thing to rejuvenate and killing it for someone is needless

[charred parrot]

people started copy-pasting the intro paragraph back

not nice

but granted what he was asking for was just

woah woah woah out of scope

[fair rampart]

that'd be because people are jerks

on the internet, mostly

[charred parrot]

like insanely so

[rain cedar]

When people say they want you to do something "with" them, what they actually mean 99.99% of the time is they want you to do it FOR them

For free

[fair rampart]

the constant jadedness I see in this channel isn't helping either

[jovial vault]

fair enough esther

[rain cedar]

This is why we bully the people who come in here asking for "help"

[fair rampart]

whenever someone starts complaining about balance I'll direct them to here so they can agree with people

[charred parrot]

to the point where when he said "third year computer science student" I wasn't sure I should believe him

[leaden hedge]

if people come in here and ask question correctly

[charred parrot]

like he should KNOW

[fair rampart]

hi guys I need help

[leaden hedge]

they get a bunch of help

[charred parrot]

the amount of work that would take

[fair rampart]

make playable hornet mod

I demand it

[jovial vault]

y u s u f

[copper nacelle]

If you legitimately try to make a mod you get a ton of help

[jovial vault]

^ ok this

[leaden hedge]

if your question is "how do I turn on visual studio from my microwave"

[copper nacelle]

like 3/4ths of my first mod was me just asking stuff here

[jovial vault]

i feel like this channel is hostile towards new people, but it's also incredibly helpful if you put in a bit of effort

[leaden hedge]

people are gonna bully you

[fair rampart]

yeah, xhuis mentioned that so I believe him, but it's still rather discouraging seeing people constantly hostile as the norm

there does seem to be a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of what mods are capable of from the community though

[charred parrot]

Back when I posted our thing Myk kinda got blasted a bit, but when I showed our stuff people were like "...wait a moment, they have stuff."

[jovial vault]

oh ye

[fair rampart]

people often look at stuff like skyrim mods and minecraft mods and think "mods can do anything!"

[charred parrot]

poor Myk

[fair rampart]

and expect those same principles to apply everywhere else, as well

[charred parrot]

she came back and was like "help"

[jovial vault]

haha yea myk hasn't come here since

[gilded lotus]

@rain cedar but I wanna work with people

[charred parrot]

let me find it

[leaden hedge]

they do apply mostly

[rain cedar]

I don't even know what you want help with

So I definitely wasn't talking about you

[leaden hedge]

just hk is jank as fuck

[gilded lotus]

Oh I don’t want help

[leaden hedge]

we've had quite a few mechanically complicated mods

[charred parrot]

just make a fangame yourself

[fair rampart]

we needing a #archived-modding-development-but-pure channel that only gradow is allowed to speak in

[charred parrot]

so we'll have 3

[gilded lotus]

About the message where you said people just want them to do all the work

[fair rampart]

gradow is incapable of harming a living being

[jovial vault]

we need a #archived-modding-development channel but it's just gradow doing my maths homework

[fair rampart]

or so I've been told

[jovial vault]

ye he's a nice person

i gUess

[charred parrot]

Poor Myk

[leaden hedge]

we need a modding channel but its just everyone bullying you when you say something stupid

[jovial vault]

oh wait

[buoyant obsidian]

this modding channel was founded on shit talk

[gilded lotus]

When you get old like us you just don’t have the energy to be mean anymore

[charred parrot]

i'D toSS oUT MoRE oF A PitCH

[leaden hedge]

i mean you still didn't get any programmers

[jovial vault]

we did

[charred parrot]

we did though

[leaden hedge]

you stealing modding talent

[charred parrot]

7ark a mod from the Unity Discord

[leaden hedge]

i meant from here

[charred parrot]

sure?

[jovial vault]

the only modding talent needed was me 😔

[warped sinew]

You don't need programmers just use play maker for literally everything.

[charred parrot]

not even a meme

no wait

[jovial vault]

graig you madlad, you're right

[charred parrot]

not even a meme was for mino

not thatr

[leaden hedge]

there was literally no point of using fsm at all in hollow knight

[fair rampart]

I think silksong will have better under the hood stuff

[leaden hedge]

like every action was just add two numbers

[charred parrot]

Mino I DO have Playmaker

[leaden hedge]

pick one of two numbers

[fair rampart]

because of Jack, I hope

[charred parrot]

want to use it?

[fair rampart]

but even if it doesn't that's ok

[gilded lotus]

I wanna be good enough for lazy to hire one day cause I’m big fan 😔

[safe hamlet]

indeed, the logic isn't that hard to program

[fair rampart]

I think HK itself is easily a ten so I can't really judge it and not feel guilty

[jovial vault]

you've asked me if i want to give playmaker a go like multiple times now and tbh no

[charred parrot]

but its

great

[safe hamlet]

smh mino

[charred parrot]

it actually isn't too bad

[safe hamlet]

how could one say no to playmaker

[warped sinew]

If I was TC I would just use HK exact under hood stuff and build a new game on top.

Much easier

[fair rampart]

I only code my games in scratch and visual basic

[charred parrot]

but you are TC

[safe hamlet]

^

[warped sinew]

I'm am not lol

[fair rampart]

just take hollow knight and replace the knight with myk's oc using customknight

[charred parrot]

You are Red

thus TC

[safe hamlet]

inb4 graig is actually ari in disguise

[leaden hedge]

its just like programming your game in python by writing to a text file, running a bat to put something else in another text file based on the other text file and reading that to do stuff

except that'd run better than playmaker

[warped sinew]

Just replace the knights face with mine

[charred parrot]

@fair rampart Ya but that's boring.

[fair rampart]

hollow graig

[charred parrot]

Might as well just make a whole game.

[fair rampart]

sequel

[jovial vault]

no that's boring smh

big nda breach

[charred parrot]

NDA

[fair rampart]

silksong isn't a prequel shut up shut up shUT UP SHUT UP

[charred parrot]

redact that

[gilded lotus]

Lmao. TC got their logo off of google

[charred parrot]

if it is a prequel imma be mad

[jovial vault]

same

[safe hamlet]

graig shade some light upon us

[leaden hedge]

obviously you need to make a proper scripting language, thats in plain english and is compiled at run time from a text file, and abstracts all the mechanics of the game away

[gilded lotus]

shade

[leaden hedge]

then not only can your artists program stuff

you have modding support

[safe hamlet]

it's a joke

a bad one

i am sleep deprived, ok?

[jovial vault]

sleep

i feel like i am modding's one responsible person

telling everyone else to not be a wreck

[safe hamlet]

probably

[leaden hedge]

stay up as late as possible

[charred parrot]

KDT but fucking

why though

[leaden hedge]

its like getting drunk

but free

[charred parrot]

that's such a waste of god damn time

[gilded lotus]

No

[charred parrot]

holy

[copper nacelle]

yeah sleeping is such a waste of god damn time

[safe hamlet]

indeed

you must a weakling to need sleep

[gilded lotus]

It’s past your bedtime

[leaden hedge]

i mean its no different to how playmaker works, except you could make it not be dependant on 15 objects per instruction

[charred parrot]

Time

Money

Not Gud

[leaden hedge]

just like the money you have to spend on playmaker, and the time you have to spend removing it from the game after it lags

[charred parrot]

thats like what

100$?

120?

for two seats?

[copper nacelle]

cost in lost sales from delayed ports

[charred parrot]

hindsight 20/20

[jovial vault]

that's the not gud part

[safe hamlet]

time to rest my eyes, not sleep tho

gn folks

[jovial vault]

pensive

[leaden hedge]

its just you know, you'd think they'd do some jank under the hood

to not use a bunch of objects and reflection all the time

[copper nacelle]

i sleep

[jovial vault]

[gilded lotus]

[jovial vault]

oh wow yall actually went to sleep

[leaden hedge]

no

[jovial vault]

unfortunate

[copper nacelle]

good morning

[trim totem]

good morning

[nimble lake]

good morning

[torpid plank]

gninrom doog

[vivid crag]

Good night

[jovial vault]

Good evening

[solar jacinth]

morning bad

[frigid gale]

Adequate noon

[solemn rivet]

Acceptable day

[jovial vault]

alright afternoon

[floral furnace]

imagine timezones

[jovial vault]

imagine living in the philippines

lmao

[reef sluice]

1.4% of the world lives in the philippines as of 2017

f this is offtopic

[young walrus]

modding, modding

no modding, meme

[gilded lotus]

Gradow what’s your birth month

[solemn rivet]

may

[copper nacelle]

1992-05-10

[solemn rivet]

eww

10/05/1992

much better

[copper nacelle]

eww

[solemn rivet]

[copper nacelle]

not even using iso 8601

[floral furnace]

who would fucking use day month year

[copper nacelle]

Europeans

[solemn rivet]

brbrbrbrbr

[gilded lotus]

Ah you’re older. I’m an October baby

[floral furnace]

unfortunate

wait no i was supposed to ask who uses month day year because day month year is superior

[copper nacelle]

because year month day is superior

[floral furnace]

its ok to be wrong

[copper nacelle]

you can't get confused with ymd

you can get confused with dmy and mdy

ymd is also easiest to sort

it's just the chad format

back to class bye

[floral furnace]

you wont get confused by dmy/mdy if everyone acknowledged that mdy is superior by a long margin

yeah you better run

[unborn badger]

@solemn rivet May gang

[solemn rivet]

for a second there I read that as gay gang

[unborn badger]

i wouldn’t be against it

May 20th

[floral furnace]

so does this mean if we sacrifice both gradow and ching well get a new blogpost inbetween 10-20

[jovial vault]

Yes

[reef sluice]

you also do second:minute:hour don't you?

[hazy sentinel]

no i do seconds since 1970-1-1

[hard berry]

omg verulean is that jan 1st or jan 1st????

[jovial vault]

no it's 1 jan

[safe musk]

are there any mods to make nightmare king grimm harder i need to hate myself more

[mossy pike]

Yes

[safe musk]

i need

where

how

[mossy pike]

Don't know the command for the readme about mods

[jovial vault]

"i need to hate myself more" same

[safe musk]

n o

[jovial vault]

try infinite grimm and ngg

[safe musk]

is there any chance for the mod installer to kill my 108% savefile?

oh my god there are randomizers

what do infinte grimm and ngg do?

[jovial vault]

mod installer won't kill your save lol

[safe musk]

okay good!

[jovial vault]

read the readmes

[safe musk]

i cant

[jovial vault]

🤔 wdym

[safe musk]

i just cant

[floral furnace]

its basically a tldr of "grimm never dies but the more damage you do to him the faster he becomes and becomes"

[jovial vault]

infinite grimm does what it sounds like

[safe musk]

or do i need to install first?

[jovial vault]

nightmare god grimm makes grimm more of a bitch

ye

install

[safe musk]

infinite normal or nightmare king grimm?

[jovial vault]

nkg

[young walrus]

click install, then read the readme

[safe musk]

i dont see any "nightmare god grimm" mod tho

[young walrus]

it'll become clickable

NGG is part of IG

there's options in IG

[safe musk]

well whats ig

[young walrus]

infinite grimm

[safe musk]

aah

[gilded lotus]

https://puu.sh/Dm1mi/903edf3ff7.png

you'd just have to enable it

[safe musk]

how do i do that

[young walrus]

open the file

that's at the top of that screenshot

and change it to "true"

[safe musk]

oh

[young walrus]

again... in the screenshot

[safe musk]

where is that file

[fair rampart]

**Saves**

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Save Files: %APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\

Mac File Paths:

Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/

Linux File Paths:

Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/

[young walrus]

should be in the saves filepath

if it's not, then it's in the game file path

[safe musk]

i am not finding it rn

i found the game files and there are some "modded" stuff but i cant find the exact file from the screenshot

found save files as well. nothing there either

u h h

[young walrus]

did you install the mod?

[safe musk]

yea

i even found a "mods" folder in my game files

[young walrus]

yeah, that's where the mods get installed

did you check the saves location? send a screenshot?

[safe musk]

but i cant find a "InfinteGrimm.GlobalSettings"

welp i will just search my entire C: then

[young walrus]

you might have to boot up the game

so it generates the file when the mod runs

[safe musk]

i mean i just had a blackscreen for half a minute when i started the game so thats neat

even my 2nd screen had a black screen

ahhh now the settings are there

[gilded lotus]

@solemn rivet how hard is it to mod something from scratch, like literally no knowledge of coding

[copper nacelle]

depends on what the something is

[gilded lotus]

hive knight mod

[jovial vault]

oh about time

[hollow hearth]

Tis the thing that i half did

Then code died and i gave up

[jovial vault]

Myrth does hk modding now? nice

[hollow hearth]

No

That was a one time thing

That didnt get finished

So umm yeah

There wont be any mod coming out from me in the coming 3 years at least

[gilded lotus]

hey now mino im not committing im just asking

if its at any way tedious im just going to give up as well

[young walrus]

coding is tedious by definition

so....

[hollow hearth]

Trust me unless you are really looking to learn to code id just give up before starting

I eventually want to learn it, but right now i cant commit to it yet

[rain cedar]

"how do I make mods?"
"just give up lol"

🤔

[hollow hearth]

thats not at all whats said but okay

[rain cedar]

It's a good summary

Because it's the end result of all you said

[hollow hearth]

no it isnt

i said that if you dont really want to learn coding, you should give up

i never said "just give up lmfao"

[gilded lotus]

cant give up something i never started

[young walrus]

but... you started thinking about an idea

so.... you did start it

[jovial vault]

🤔

[gilded lotus]

never underestimate my laziness to not pursue something

more just unmotivated

[weak lodge]

this is me but im worse

[safe hamlet]

i will make one for you after exams

[gilded lotus]

chronic depression too @weak lodge ? :^)

[safe hamlet]

don’t be depressed, it’s so easy :^)

[unborn flicker]

I actually am trying to learn how to mod now. I started on Sunday, but I didn't say anything then thinking I might end up flaking out

Yeah, I figured the benchwarp mod that was discussed a while back would be a decently easy start project

And I've been able to edit the respawnscene pretty easily in game, and I have the list of scenes with benches, so all that's left is to make a UI for it

I'll probably rip off the bonfire menu or something, unless there's an easier way

[rain cedar]

Imgui is the easiest but also the worst

Idk if that's what bonfire uses

[unborn flicker]

pretty sure it does

[rain cedar]

You should use canvas

[unborn flicker]

I had to add it as a reference when I pasted in the code

[rain cedar]

I don't know if there's a good example of canvas buttons

Debug is canvas but also terrible

Maybe the old boss rush mod

[unborn flicker]

What's the advantage to canvas?

[rain cedar]

It doesn't look like shit

And imgui is deprecated

[unborn flicker]

fair points

https://github.com/KayDeeTee/hk-bossrush/blob/master/src/CanvasUtil.cs

[rain cedar]

It would be cool if you integrated it into the existing map but that's probably a bit too much for a small first project

[copper nacelle]

CanvasUtil is in the api btw

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, right now I'm avoiding any unnecessary features

first version will just be setting the respawn and quitting to menu

[leaden hedge]

boss rush also has panehandler.cs and rewards.cs and thats how it does the item selection when you beat a boss

and handles inputs for you

[unborn flicker]

I'll look at those too, then. Thanks

[weak lodge]

Homothety modder pog

[safe hamlet]

knightmere, start modding already smh

[weak lodge]

no

[gilded lotus]

yes

[charred parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ece-wZ6VjFw

[ornate rivet]

is this going to become a meme like the last hk video Anderson made

[dusky lion]

Can someone post the copypasta

I don’t want to look for it myself

[rain cedar]

no

[ornate rivet]

Hey guys check out this new critique of HK https://youtu.be/7t1mxoMIDfY

[safe hamlet]

saleh, help

i am my calc mock exam, what do i study

[ornate rivet]

hi my calc mock exam, what do i study

I am saleh

I have a packet that summarizes everything on the test, do you want it?

[safe hamlet]

sure

that would be a big help

[hazy sentinel]

calc i snooze

[hollow hearth]

Allll right then

I really dont get all the random friend reqs

[jovial vault]

Lmao what nerd would send myrth a friend request

[fair rampart]

it's the anime avatar!

[trim totem]

:ax2uHmm:

[fair rampart]

that's my suspicion, anyway

[jovial vault]

Everyone with pretty anime girl avatars get flooded with friend requests

Sounds about right

[fair rampart]

especially with feminine names

I have anecdotal evidence as well as personal evidence

[floral furnace]

i mean you cant deny that anime is good

[buoyant obsidian]

The name ends in -alia

[fair rampart]

it is cute, if nothing else.

[buoyant obsidian]

it's an obvious add

[fair rampart]

I used this as my avatar for a while

[buoyant obsidian]

that's an easy add

[fair rampart]

I think I got an FR a day when I was in some other pub servs

[safe hamlet]

smh weebs

[jovial vault]

Nerds

[fair rampart]

you have a catgirl avatar

NORMIES

you're one of us too

[safe hamlet]

your eyes deceive you

[trim totem]

weeb

[fair rampart]

I usually decline almost all fr's though unless I have a good reason not to

probably makes me a jerk, but I'm fine with that

Isn't this about modding?

ah, the famous "this isn't the right channel" post in its wild habitat

it subsists solely off of killing conversations

Okay

I was just saying

it becomes aggressive - have we intruded upon its territory?

an interesting behavior

[jovial vault]

Modding is never on topic honestly

Its p funny

[fair rampart]

I'm sorry?

[jovial vault]

Nah dont be it was just a joke

[fair rampart]

Oh

You sure?

people pointing out the wrong channel pisses me off and I have no filter but it didn't seriously bother me heavily

fwiw

[trim totem]

:ax2uHmm:

[solemn rivet]

sid does not have a catgirl avatar

they have a bestgirl avatar

also, about the issue you guys were talking... I think it was like almost 24h ago

[trim totem]

weeb

[solemn rivet]

modding is not very receptive to new people who are unwilling to do things themselves and, instead, only come here to complain or bitch about stuff

on the other hand, if you come here to hang out, discuss anything really and ask interesting questions, you'll make friends quickly

can't deny that, khan

only

*reformed

[leaden hedge]

weebs reeeeeeee

[solemn rivet]

also, I found that for some strange reason, HK seems to attract a lot of furries

[floral furnace]

blame it on monster girls

moth girls seems to be the rage all these days

[solemn rivet]

I mean

if this was eroico

[jovial vault]

Is gradow finally coming out as a furry

[solemn rivet]

I have a lot of facial hair, yeah

[jovial vault]

Same tbh

[trim totem]

not same

[jovial vault]

Gradow face reveal when 🤔

[fair rampart]

I haven't noticed a lot of furries in the HK community

[solemn rivet]

and I've been growing out my hair for like 2yrs at this point

[fair rampart]

I've noticed a lot of artsy folks though

/r/HollowKnight is exclusively hornet fanart these days

[jovial vault]

The true unkempt maths prof look

[glacial panther]

I'm furry

[solemn rivet]

I can finally tie my hair like Sekiro

[glacial panther]

just look at me

[solemn rivet]

[jovial vault]

Hmmm

[safe hamlet]

mmmH

[jovial vault]

Monka

[solemn rivet]

well yeah, Esther, specially with SS coming out and all that jazz

[fair rampart]

o' course, I do get what prompted it

but it's like a neverending stream

[solemn rivet]

now I just need to amputate my left arm

[fair rampart]

I've not seen any furry stuff, though

[solemn rivet]

and the sekiro cosplay will be on point

[floral furnace]

r hollow knight used to be shitposts but all those wen to hkmemes instead

[fair rampart]

I would certainly amptutate a limb if I got a clockwork replacement

I love clockwork stuff

[jovial vault]

Same tbh

[solemn rivet]

hmm

what if clocks are a lie

also, are the Sekiro prosthetics technically clockwork?

[buoyant obsidian]

I'd say yeah

but in aesthetic not definition

[solemn rivet]

yeah

I agree with that

also

maths stream?

[buoyant obsidian]

yes

one of my professors last semester streamed his review session on twitch

he had the same headset as me

[floral furnace]

did he take donations with a text to speech reward

[solemn rivet]

I mean

judging by the amount of donations I've gotten so far through the installer

I wouldn't even bother setting that up tbh

[floral furnace]

oh shit gradow drowning in cash rite now

no wait i read that wrong

[safe hamlet]

maths stream

[buoyant obsidian]

so how are your numbers treating you

[solemn rivet]

I got precisely US$7.21

[jovial vault]

Gradow didnt you get a Whole Dollar

Very nice

[fair rampart]

Mr. Moneybags over here

[safe hamlet]

nice save there bud

[floral furnace]

over course of how many years

[buoyant obsidian]

link your paypal

you're .32 short

[solemn rivet]

umm

[fair rampart]

I'm a few hundred thousand short of a million!

[solemn rivet]

as long as the installer exists, ttacco

[thorn comet]

$7.53 perfect bank balance

[safe hamlet]

$0.03 is my bank balance

[solemn rivet]

spent it all in hookers and gambling

[floral furnace]

put ads in the installer

[buoyant obsidian]

🤢

[safe hamlet]

we need to start selling mods

instead of giving them for free

[buoyant obsidian]

so the installer is using google drive for hosting right?

besides itself being hosted on radiance.host

[solemn rivet]

no

yea

[floral furnace]

Introduction Hollow Knight™ Premium™

[buoyant obsidian]

that seems like it's really effective

[safe hamlet]

who made the docs for the api?

[floral furnace]

KDT afaik

[fair rampart]

introducing Crystal Miner

the hollow knight mod that mines bitcoins using your CPU

[safe hamlet]

did he use docfx?

[buoyant obsidian]

the RoR2 community is hosting mods on some guy's site at the moment and it sometimes has trouble loading

it seems like a huge waste

[floral furnace]

dunno

[buoyant obsidian]

expensive and less uptime

[solemn rivet]

AA is keeping radiance.host it seems

he's writing stuff too, so it might exist for a while

[buoyant obsidian]

that makes sense

but like hosting everyone's mods like what RoR2 is doing

I'm just wondering if there's any reason for it

did we ever have trouble with the Drive?

[solemn rivet]

yeah

basically the whole reason we created the modlinks.xml in the first place was because you can't access files in a Drive folder remotely

the installer would need to ask everyone using it to login to google in order to access the drive

which is a big NO

[buoyant obsidian]

so how does modlinks change that?

[leaden hedge]

drive doesnt really let you search do tags or get analytics

[buoyant obsidian]

oh that alone is a great reason

didn't even occur to me but I remember pushing my mods towards moddb for that exact reason

[solemn rivet]

modlinks has the link to every mod

and we can get a static link to it

[buoyant obsidian]

makes sense

[solemn rivet]

so the installer downloads modlinks and then gets the link to every mod from it

[buoyant obsidian]

GitHub lets you upload files too, are there any negatives in using that?

[solemn rivet]

so we only need to hardcode the link for modlinks

not that I know of

before radiance.host, I hosted it on my github

but analytics

[buoyant obsidian]

Yeah analytics

just host through Discord e z

and do analytics API side

using a discord webhook

which will post a message into a server

and a bot reads that message from the server and sums it up

[safe hamlet]

discord database :^)

[buoyant obsidian]

I made a site for doing anonymous confessions using webhooks

http://confession.eastsidelag.com

It was fun for a while but of course people got a little rude

it would paste directly into the server but anonymously

[safe hamlet]

how much does that domain cost

[buoyant obsidian]

$12 a year I think

[safe hamlet]

boi

i wish i made $12 a year

[jovial vault]

Hmmmm

[leaden hedge]

also the docs use sphinx

[buoyant obsidian]

is that a riddle

[safe hamlet]

hmm, never heard of it

[solemn rivet]

also sid

why 003

are you like bootleg 007?

[safe hamlet]

i always used 003 as my thingy

it's in my github name and all

[buoyant obsidian]

bootleg 007 confirmed

[safe hamlet]

[leaden hedge]

why is your number 2070 then

and not 0003

[safe hamlet]

it used to be

when i had nitro

had

[buoyant obsidian]

all modders are supposed to have 753 in their tag

just look at me and KDT

[fair rampart]

I have no idea who 003 is but their avatar is cute and I would scritch her so they're fine in my book.

[leaden hedge]

why do I have 753 in there

gonna buy nitro to remove it

[buoyant obsidian]

don't you dare

[safe hamlet]

o i stole it from someone

idk even know where this is from

my hands and brain are not co-ordinated

[fair rampart]

I remember who she is but not her name

I think she's an alter-ego of some sort

[solemn rivet]

she's Hanekawa Tsubasa from Monogatari Series

smh

[fair rampart]

ah, black hanekawa

I remember the one

[safe hamlet]

smh weebs

how do you know this

[buoyant obsidian]

says the one using the avatar

[solemn rivet]

m8

I'm 26

[leaden hedge]

smh weebs

[solemn rivet]

of these 26 years I've spent more than 16 watching anime

I've only stopped because of my master's

[buoyant obsidian]

I'm on episode 8 of FMA:B

[solemn rivet]

which took all my free time

[fair rampart]

I haven't watched an anime in my life but I hold with certainty that it's adorable

[buoyant obsidian]

am I a weeb yet

[solemn rivet]

[safe hamlet]

how's the monogatari series?

[solemn rivet]

it's amazing

specially the light novels

which I do have

[safe hamlet]

o 753, i finished the whole season in like 3 days :^)

it was during some kind of break

[leaden hedge]

unless you watch every episode of naruto, bleach and one piece in one sitting you can't be a real anime fan

[safe hamlet]

gradow, have you watched 3-gatsu no lion (march comes in like a lion)?

[solemn rivet]

nope

I stopped watching anime 4y ago

like, completely

I think the last anime I watched was... Ryokka?

[safe hamlet]

sad

[floral furnace]

gradow, old habits die hard so you have to watch again

i recommend handshakers

[leaden hedge]

why is that like transliterated like that

3 instead of san, lion instead of rion

[safe hamlet]

dunno, just the way it is

[solemn rivet]

I do plan on coming back eventually, ttacco

I even renewed my crunchyroll acc

but

time

[safe hamlet]

you better watch it

[buoyant obsidian]

Gradow you're missing the golden age

[leaden hedge]

oh they don't even right it rion

they right it raion

[buoyant obsidian]

I heard they left it raion

[floral furnace]

good shit

reminder that your lie in april is superior change my mind

[buoyant obsidian]

Toradora! is the greatest anime of all time

[safe hamlet]

indeed

well can't say it's the greatest

but a really good one

[solemn rivet]

what

you're trolling right

[safe hamlet]

who

[solemn rivet]

753

[buoyant obsidian]

he probably is, Your Lie in April is mediocre

[solemn rivet]

and u

[buoyant obsidian]

uh

what do you mean Gradow

[solemn rivet]

toradora

[safe hamlet]

toradora is good, wdym

[solemn rivet]

it's good

[floral furnace]

its ok to be wrong

[leaden hedge]

ぼくのぴこ is the best anime

[safe hamlet]

the ending is kinda meh

[solemn rivet]

mediocre at best

[buoyant obsidian]

what

[solemn rivet]

but the ending ruins it all

the characters are bland

the dialogues are bland

the scenes are bland

story is cliched at best

[buoyant obsidian]

ok buddy

you have no idea what you're talking about

[leaden hedge]

you described literally every anime

ever made

[solemn rivet]

^

[jovial vault]

This is true

[solemn rivet]

another reason I stopped watching anime

[floral furnace]

except FMA

cuz thats actually good