archived-modding-development

[unborn badger]

java is the funny minecraft language haha

[safe hamlet]

smh people help him

[nimble lake]

Ah ok

[leaden hedge]

all i see is someone who got told what to do, hit another roadblock then immeditatly came back to demand answers

[young walrus]

help who

[trim totem]

56 help them

[safe hamlet]

i agree kdt, i like making minecraft plugins too

[nimble lake]

No it’s nt like that

Not

[safe hamlet]

without java, there would be no minecraft

[nimble lake]

It’s an error that shouldn’t have happen

I mean I figured people will know herr

Here

[leaden hedge]

without java minecraft would run above 10fps

[copper nacelle]

pensive

Have you tried

Specifying the error and how it was caused and where

[safe hamlet]

indeed

[copper nacelle]

a screenshot would also be nice

[safe hamlet]

minecraft coded in a decent language would be nice

[nimble lake]

But wait

Forget about Minecraft for a second

[safe hamlet]

wow

[nimble lake]

We have a problem

[safe hamlet]

ok

[leaden hedge]

no

[copper nacelle]

no

[leaden hedge]

u have a problem

[jovial vault]

Minecraft coded in fsms

[safe hamlet]

o

that's hot

[nimble lake]

Remember what I said before

[leaden hedge]

no

[nimble lake]

When no modding, memeing
When modding, modding

[leaden hedge]

this isnt modding

this is tech support

[jovial vault]

This is my emotional support

[safe hamlet]

i am a level 69 c# technician

how can i help you

[copper nacelle]

have you considered

[nimble lake]

I asked in #archived-modding-help

[copper nacelle]

removing the attributes which it says are invalid

[nimble lake]

@safe hamlet

That will break everything @copper nacelle

[safe hamlet]

try reading 56's message

[copper nacelle]

Yes I'm sure removing DebuggerBrowsable is game breaking

[nimble lake]

I don’t know much about coding but I know it could happen sometimes

[leaden hedge]

i don't know why you're editing the entire class

[nimble lake]

But I’ll try anyways and will update that on you

I don’t

[leaden hedge]

instead of just replacing the method that use that

[nimble lake]

I clicked edit method

[leaden hedge]

aren't you trying to edit a const

that isn't in a method

[nimble lake]

I’m trying to edit one line

To remove shade cloak cooldown

[leaden hedge]

ok so you're trying to edit a const

thanks for repeating what I said

[nimble lake]

Idk what’s a const

[leaden hedge]

oh wait you're trying to edit the actual timer

[nimble lake]

I tried changing the time.deltatime thing to 0

But even if I change nothing I get errors

[leaden hedge]

what are you even trying to do, just make the shadowDashTimer = 0 whenever the knight updates

with a normal mod

[nimble lake]

I don’t know how

[leaden hedge]

if only there was example mods PepeHands

[nimble lake]

Oh there is?

[leaden hedge]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods

HeroUpdateHook is the one you want

[nimble lake]

I will look

[jovial vault]

Will you

[safe hamlet]

it's not even hard using dnSpy

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/66m4s67.png see, not that hard?

[nimble lake]

why am I getting errors then

also what is that url

And how do I download the github thing

[safe hamlet]

delete the line that's giving the errors

just like how 56 said

[nimble lake]

ok wait

ok um

now after you use shade cloak once, it doesn't recharge again

[safe hamlet]

you mean you can't shade cloak again at all?

[nimble lake]

yea

Maybe instead of 0 I can do 0.01 or something?

[safe hamlet]

i tested it, works just fine

[nimble lake]

wait hold on

what line you're at

[safe hamlet]

dunno, i closed it

i can't spell

[nimble lake]

we're on different things

[safe hamlet]

just do what i did

[nimble lake]

oh wait i think i found it

line 3167 i think

[safe hamlet]

find where it assigns the cool down

[nimble lake]

Oh here we go now it works

Thank you!

now to try and edit charms

(how do i do this)

[solemn rivet]

you don't

they're not in code

[safe hamlet]

^

[nimble lake]

uh

explain

There are mods that edit charms

Even the grimmchild update readme says you can edit it to whatever you want

[copper nacelle]

they change fsms at runtime

[nimble lake]

so it's possible

[safe hamlet]

well ofc

not using dnSpy

[ornate rivet]

no one is saying you cant edit charms

[copper nacelle]

I mean you could do it using dnspy

You shouldn't

But you could

[safe hamlet]

but it would be a pain

[copper nacelle]

Yes

[ornate rivet]

mainly for us tbh

[nimble lake]

How should I do that then?

[ornate rivet]

learn to edit fsms

[copper nacelle]

normal mod

[nimble lake]

There are no downloads in the github

[copper nacelle]

what

[solemn rivet]

look... Most charms' codes are not in the actual game's code

you need to find their respective FSMs

figure out how they work

[nimble lake]

What is fsm btw?

[solemn rivet]

finite state machine

[ornate rivet]

life and death

[solemn rivet]

then you can write code to edit those fsms while the game is running

that's what mods do

[copper nacelle]

one of these

[solemn rivet]

is that THK

[safe hamlet]

finite

[copper nacelle]

Yes

[safe hamlet]

is it finite?

[nimble lake]

that's ai

[solemn rivet]

no

that's an fsm

[nimble lake]

or so i've heard

so

is there a tutorial or somethingfor that?

[solemn rivet]

nope

[safe hamlet]

well there are basic example mods

[solemn rivet]

because there's no logic to it

you just take one of those diagrams

stare real hard at it

try and figure how it works

[safe hamlet]

then do stuff with it :wesmart:

[solemn rivet]

and then you write code to change that

[safe hamlet]

why don't we have a wesmart emote

smh

[solemn rivet]

basically the same tbh

[safe hamlet]

lol

does PV have the most complex fsm?

[nimble lake]

so

where do i start

[dark wigeon]

We need to write a script that will order the complexity of all of the fsms

[safe hamlet]

indeed

[nimble lake]

I'll wait for that yet then

[safe hamlet]

wait for saleh's epic mod guide

it will come out late 2020 prolly

[nimble lake]

oh my god

does he like get on my level bro

[copper nacelle]

Pv's FSM is much less garbage than thk's

[ornate rivet]

how does one turn a wav file into an MusicCue

[copper nacelle]

@ avenging angle

There's a wav utility thing

For making it so unity can use it

You might want to actually at him

[ornate rivet]

I've used it before

that gives an AudioClip, not a MusicCue though

[copper nacelle]

maggotPrime

Does music cue have an accessible constructor

[safe hamlet]

might have to use reflection

[dark wigeon]

What is musiccue anyway is that a monobehaviour or something

[ornate rivet]

setting them equal doesn't give an error

so maybe it will work

once sec

[dark wigeon]

I don't remember adding anything other than internal unity types to the viewer but maybe I did add monobehaviour names

[safe hamlet]

ScriptableObject

[dark wigeon]

Yeah so monobehaviour

I don't remember writing that code 🤔

[nimble lake]

btw can I disable the recharge animation for the shadow dash?

I disabled the cooldown but for some reason I get a lag spike when i shadow dash

[ornate rivet]

it works

but I edited the wrong fsm apparently because the old music plays too

sigh

[thorny quartz]

How is the hit detection handled in this game? I saw there was layers for player attacks, attacks, and enemy attacks, but are these trigger colliders, or how does it work?

[hollow hearth]

They dont.

From what ive read here, hollow knights code is a complete mess

[gilded lotus]

i need help

[solemn rivet]

Some of it is triggers, yeah, @thorny quartz

Not sure about everything tho

I guess so?

@gilded lotus speak

[gilded lotus]

i drank too much

[copper nacelle]

fool

[solemn rivet]

@nimble lake look at the code for HeroDash in HeroController

56

[gilded lotus]

now i wanna go to sleep 😩

[solemn rivet]

Colliders

Explain

[copper nacelle]

HeroBox.CheckForDamage

DamageHero component

CheckForDamage is called by OnTriggerEnter/Stay2D

so yeah triggers

[nimble lake]

this?

idk what\s prefab

[thorny quartz]

Just tell it to SetActive (False)

Right?

[copper nacelle]

or just don't touch it

wokest

[nimble lake]

I'm not sure if this is the animation

[copper nacelle]

there's no reason to set an inactive object inactive again

just remove the line

[thorny quartz]

It probably enables the prefab, which disables itself upon charge

[nimble lake]

or this?

it says particles so it's promising

[solemn rivet]

Try deleting everything

If it works, great

[wild wraith]

zrobicie mi moze loda

[nimble lake]

yea idk what's up with that

after playing for a while I get lag spikes every time I use shadow dash

[fair rampart]

understandable

[copper nacelle]

[brazen mortar]

im here for the keyboard asmr

@copper nacelle stream

[nimble lake]

But I think I have a theory

[fair rampart]

A GAME THEORY

[nimble lake]

After a while the lag sometime will get fixed don't say game theory

I think it has something to do with this thing called RAM

it stands for random access memory

I think HK does a pretty bad job with cleaning ram and such

[copper nacelle]

wow what new information

[nimble lake]

Yea RAM

You have that thing in your computer

[copper nacelle]

no shit

[unborn badger]

i can't believe i've never known about ram before

[brazen mortar]

no its sarcasm

[unborn badger]

what useful information

[brazen mortar]

please stop

[nimble lake]

It's those little sticks in your pc

they're called RAM

[fair rampart]

ram is those farm animals that bash you with their horns for no reason

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ram-gif-8264327

[nimble lake]

btw that whole thing about ram

it was sarcasm

just in case

[unborn badger]

https://youtu.be/3QivwfCNZ4Q

[brazen mortar]

wait

its pronounced sae-la?

@unborn badger

i always say it like

salad

without the d

[ornate rivet]

saaale

nooo

[brazen mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/sale-gif-8904332

[unborn badger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgIqecROs5M

[nimble lake]

which minute in the video though

I can't find hk

[fair rampart]

It's pronounced "Tha-nohs"

[unborn badger]

hk is nowhere

what the fuck is hollow knight

[ornate rivet]

reeeeeeee

[nimble lake]

It's a game

[brazen mortar]

his true name is jason

[fair rampart]

56 stream iconoclasts

[ornate rivet]

freaking microphone

[fair rampart]

If you say it five times I instantly die

[unborn badger]

d:w

D:w

[ornate rivet]

sigh

did audio work at all

unfortunate

whatever

[safe hamlet]

what audio, saleh?

[ornate rivet]

Voice chat

[ornate rivet]

I can't find the fsm that sets the abs radiance's music

pls help

[safe hamlet]

that's because you should work on pale champion instead >:(

[ornate rivet]

I agree

[gilded lotus]

I agree sid should be working on markoth

[ornate rivet]

yes did should work on impossible markoth

[gilded lotus]

Phone 😠

[safe hamlet]

it wasn't this? https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/6X74NuU.png

[ornate rivet]

what is the name of that fsm and its go

[safe hamlet]

BossControl

[ornate rivet]

right

that's for radiance

not abs rad

[safe hamlet]

it's the same thing, no?

[ornate rivet]

doesn't it talk about challenging and stuff?

[safe hamlet]

o

right

it does

[ornate rivet]

so yea I don't think that works

I found where it should be "Absolute Radiance - Teleport"

there is a state called "Music?"

but deleting the action that starts the music changes nothing

[safe hamlet]

i see

[safe hamlet]

@ornate rivet i just experimented a little, and the music is indeed controlled by BossControl for absrad as well

unless you already got it

[jovial vault]

🤔 i wonder how bad fsms will be in silksong tbh

[fair rampart]

prob not bad

because wilbo isn't the only one working on code

[leaden hedge]

itll be bad

[jovial vault]

I like how KDT has just given up at this point

Were the godmaster bosses made with fsms or actually coded?

[leaden hedge]

fsm

[jovial vault]

Sigh

Rip jack i guess

[weak lodge]

It’s time for jack to let er’ rip

[fair rampart]

the fsm were as bad as previous were they?

[charred parrot]

I have hopes that the Silksong code base will be better

[fair rampart]

then again, it's hard to top thk's fsm

[leaden hedge]

it probably won't be much better

[charred parrot]

KDT

KDT

KDT

believe

you have to believe

[leaden hedge]

i believe nothing

[charred parrot]

you must

[leaden hedge]

it'll have both spaghetti and fsms

[copper nacelle]

^

it'll be better but better does not mean good

[trim totem]

it will only improve enough to sell 1 million more copies

[charred parrot]

Idk if Silksong will outsell HK

it will do fucking well guaranteed though

I've said this before but 100% this was the thought process behind Silksong

[leaden hedge]

people bought vanilla hk

[charred parrot]

William: "Hey Ari want to make another 15 mill?"
Ari: "Ya alright sounds good."

[leaden hedge]

the code and mechanics had nothing to do with either hks success nor will it have anything to do with silksongs

[trim totem]

what do you mean by mechanics

[jovial vault]

The code affects like what fifteen? people who are interested in hk modding and even that is pushing it

[leaden hedge]

i mean vanilla ran like shit

and is filled with bugs

[jovial vault]

True

[leaden hedge]

in the none meme way

[copper nacelle]

I expect it to be as decent as gm

[charred parrot]

well I mean

the state of the code heavily pushed back the switch release

so

[leaden hedge]

by mechanics i mean gameplay and balance

[charred parrot]

idk how many extra sales that yielded but it was more than 15

[leaden hedge]

like 144 damage fluke somehow getting into the game

[trim totem]

ah of course

[jovial vault]

Lmao tb

[charred parrot]

I've got work tomorrow morning

and I dont want to go

but its too late to find a replacement

[leaden hedge]

quit

[charred parrot]

uuugh

[leaden hedge]

what are they gonna do fire you?

[charred parrot]

thats a good idea

[safe hamlet]

imagine having a job

[leaden hedge]

imagine imagining having a imagination

[charred parrot]

the answer is clear

we kill the father

[leaden hedge]

go back in time until you get into a timeline where you have a twin

and force your twin to work for you

[charred parrot]

I dont think that's how time travel works

[safe hamlet]

^

[trim totem]

time travel doesn't work

[leaden hedge]

it is if you're your own father

[charred parrot]

it is if incest

or

selfcest?

[safe hamlet]

i am literally from the future

[leaden hedge]

would it be incest

[jovial vault]

hmmmmm

[leaden hedge]

if you aren't technically related yet

[charred parrot]

if you guys had a super power

what would it be

[jovial vault]

I mean if you have to ask yourself if it would be incest

[leaden hedge]

the ability to give my self more super powers

[charred parrot]

other than some rule breaking shit

anyone here watch my hero academia

or read

[safe hamlet]

the ability to stop time

yes

[leaden hedge]

just say

[charred parrot]

that is a very enjoyable series

[safe hamlet]

indeed

[leaden hedge]

時を止まれ

[safe hamlet]

i don’t read tho, that’s for pure weebs

[charred parrot]

unless that translates to SMASH

it aint worth my time

[jovial vault]

kdt since when do you know japanese

[charred parrot]

its the only manga I read

[safe hamlet]

heard it’s good tho, i am just waiting for the animr which won’t be any time soon

[charred parrot]

well season 4 I think is coming in the fall

[leaden hedge]

since people on monster hunter would bully you for being a gaijin

[safe hamlet]

o

[charred parrot]

oof

[safe hamlet]

[leaden hedge]

you wanna know a useful phrase, here you go あたしと同じくらいの歳の女の子はみんな、おちんちん大好きです！

[charred parrot]

wut

[leaden hedge]

https://jisho.org/search/ おちんちん

[safe hamlet]

url param, smh

[charred parrot]

how do you say
I don't speak Japanese you fucking piece of subhuman trash

in japanese

god I hate C

[safe hamlet]

i hate D

[charred parrot]

KDT you working on anything interesting atm?

[leaden hedge]

僕は日本語が分かりません is I don't understand japanese

although thats casual

[charred parrot]

are you a weeb?

do you watch MHA?

[leaden hedge]

you'd want 私は日本語が分かりません

no i don't watch or read anime/manga

[charred parrot]

rip

I should switch off my Sobble icon

[leaden hedge]

as for calling someone subhuman trash

I don't think you can say that, thats quite rude

[charred parrot]

naaa

[jovial vault]

Its a nice icon tbh

Also only reason to learn a language is out of spite

Japanese is a Lot of effort to learn tho just for a video game

Literally one of the hardest languages for an english native

[leaden hedge]

あの、私は日本語が下手くそだ

i like how google translate puts that as not good, even though it says shitty

[jovial vault]

lmao

where did you end up learning it from? genki? or i mean, good old anime

[charred parrot]

I want

Bibimbap

[jovial vault]

A what now

[charred parrot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554209098657431553/570507023591014412/Creeped.gif

I may be an uncultured white boy

but I have recently gotten into korean food

[floral furnace]

lmao weeb

[jovial vault]

But can you use chopsticks like a cultured white boy

[leaden hedge]

i just learnt grammar, then used a dictionary to learn new words and half of my vocab is stuff like 石 or 俺 which is rock/ore, because every ore in mh has that in its name

[jovial vault]

Ah I see

[charred parrot]

I actually cannot use chopsticks

and honestly they suck

theres no reason to use chopsticks when you have a fork

[floral furnace]

just use them like bbq sticks

[charred parrot]

superior eating utensil

[leaden hedge]

im not really that fluent, but I can throw a sentence together with a dictionary

which is enough to get bullies off your back

[charred parrot]

did you actually learn japanese just to communicate with the, what was it, monster hunter community?

[leaden hedge]

I had something like 4000hrs on mh4

and that was a jp only release

[charred parrot]

what

[jovial vault]

Oh wow

[charred parrot]

4000 hours?

no

[floral furnace]

XX?

[leaden hedge]

and I'd mainly play online

[charred parrot]

that's 166 days

[leaden hedge]

well I upgraded to mh4g when it came out

[jovial vault]

Smh east asians with their fancy chopsticks. white people with their forks. galaxy brain is just eating it with your bare hands

[leaden hedge]

I think i probably split that 50/50 between them

[charred parrot]

like monkeys

[leaden hedge]

but i got pretty much every item

like I did in mh3

[charred parrot]

I like to keep my hands decently clean when eating

pizza is a genius invention

[jovial vault]

makes sense tbh

[charred parrot]

because it has an inbuilt handle

[leaden hedge]

pizza is just bread

baked with the toppings

[charred parrot]

shh

[jovial vault]

with a lot of south asian food you literally can not eat it with a fork and a knife its just a bigger pain in the ass

Dont tell him

[charred parrot]

mino give me some good food suggestions

[jovial vault]

uwu curry

[charred parrot]

no

[jovial vault]

Have you had stuff like naan, samosa, or jalebi?

[leaden hedge]

you know whats nice

kebab on garlic naan

[jovial vault]

This tbh

[charred parrot]

I have had samosas and god they are greasy

[jovial vault]

Big pensive. Theyre not supposed to be greasy

[leaden hedge]

im really hungry but its 5am

and nowhere is open

[jovial vault]

Did you have the big samosa or the smaller bite sized ones

[charred parrot]

consume time

[jovial vault]

M c d o n a l d s

[charred parrot]

uuuh

it was like baseball sized

[leaden hedge]

we don't have a mcdonalds

[charred parrot]

what

[leaden hedge]

by town is such a shithole

[jovial vault]

Oh yeah. England

[leaden hedge]

mcdonalds closed and left

[charred parrot]

what kinda backalley region of the world doesn;t have diabetes land?

[leaden hedge]

i mean theres a bunch of mcdonalds near by

just none in town

[charred parrot]

McDonalds have probably killed more people than most wars

[leaden hedge]

there used to be one, it got replaced by a poundland iirc

[jovial vault]

Imagine not living in a city with a population over 10m

[charred parrot]

uuh

10 mill is a fuckin high bar

[leaden hedge]

i mean how do you wanna draw city borders

my town only has half the population of the nearest city technically

and its one of the biggest cities in the country

but anyway I think the nearest mcdonalds to me is like 30m away

[charred parrot]

I mean my city is massive

30 meters?

sounds about right

that is a bit far ya

[leaden hedge]

minutes

[jovial vault]

Order in?

[leaden hedge]

its 5am

[jovial vault]

Sleep perhaps

[charred parrot]

how long until mcdonalds owns your home and force feeds you McBreakfasts as you wake up

[charred parrot]

instantly charging your account

[leaden hedge]

i would have ordered something, but it was min order £10 and delivery fee £2

and i only had a tenner in my wallet

[charred parrot]

I love my dog more than I do most people

[jovial vault]

o:

my favourite thing is people talking/sending pictures of their pets

[charred parrot]

she follows me everywhere

[jovial vault]

[charred parrot]

if I leave my room to go down stairs

even if she's sleeping she'll wake up and run down with me

[jovial vault]

awww

Whats her name?

[charred parrot]

Chloe

we have a little bell next to the door that leads to the backyard

she bangs it with her nose when she wants to go out

[jovial vault]

Thats adorable

I love dogs especially if theyre really clingy and cuddly

[charred parrot]

oh ya she cuddles

if I'm lying down she'll jump onto my bed and curl up in the bend of my knees

[jovial vault]

Thats better than on your face tbh

[charred parrot]

naw she knows to avoid peoples faces

shes really well behaved most of the time

I'm a bit worried about how clingy she is though

I think she may legit have abandonment issues

[warped sinew]

how much damage does fury plus strength do? can anyone remember?

its like 52 i think?

[leaden hedge]

56ish

[charred parrot]

COINCIDENCE?

I THINK NOT

[jovial vault]

Lazy you were wholesome there for a whole minute

[brazen mortar]

for pure nail?

[charred parrot]

but anyway I got her from a breeder (never again they're all terrible people) and he told us she was 8 weeks, but it turned out she was actually 7

[brazen mortar]

56 damage

[solemn rivet]

graig is hinting on the fact that silsong comes out on the 52th

[brazen mortar]

i think its rounds down

[leaden hedge]

i think its 21*1.5 = 32

32*1.75 = 56

[brazen mortar]

or up

[warped sinew]

thanks

[brazen mortar]

well it rounds

[charred parrot]

the bastard just wanted to sell her as quickly as possible

[solemn rivet]

so may 6th

ok

[leaden hedge]

one of them rounds down and the other rounds iirc

[jovial vault]

Breeders are just shitty people for making animals suffer just so they look a certain way

[charred parrot]

its not recommended to separate puppies from their families before 8 weeks, and I think its illegal is some places honestly

[jovial vault]

Oof

[warped sinew]

im making a test save file and I am just setting my nail damage to that so I can "use fury" in the HoG

[jovial vault]

Yeah that would explain the clinginess

Good luck graig

[warped sinew]

basically I am practicing for PoH speedrun 😉

[charred parrot]

still though shes just a well behaved dog

if she wants to play and grabs onto your pants leg you just need to give 1 tough no and shes off immediately

[brazen mortar]

isnt there

the glitch where it takes away lifeblood

[charred parrot]

she gives the "awww why not" face but she listens

[brazen mortar]

or just ignores it completely

[jovial vault]

What glitch?

Who doesnt like playing w pets honestly

[charred parrot]

I love playing with her but obviously sometimes I need to do work 😛

dont worry I play with her a lot

[jovial vault]

Ye

[charred parrot]

she understands things man

like I talk to her and she "talks" back

[jovial vault]

me omw to canada to hug chloe

[charred parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KQZ102OoJ4

like she does this

just higher pitched

[jovial vault]

do you sit and explain your code to her and shes like boof

[charred parrot]

not really no 😛

she doesnt like it when I blow air in her face

and sometimes literally responds by blowing out her nose

hard

[jovial vault]

she huffs back aw

[charred parrot]

first day we had her

[jovial vault]

Tiny chloe

[charred parrot]

not going to lie though the first month with her was pretty tough

[jovial vault]

How come?

[charred parrot]

big lifestyle shift honestly

[fair rampart]

because puppy

[charred parrot]

tiny bladder

[fair rampart]

puppies need lots of love and attention

[charred parrot]

also she got giardia somehow

[fair rampart]

wat

[charred parrot]

parasite spread by feces and contaminated water

likely got it from the breeder

[fair rampart]

like toxoplasmosis?

[charred parrot]

like it yes but its a different genus all together

[jovial vault]

Yikes

[charred parrot]

ya poor thing got a pretty bad case of diarrhea

bloody

not fun

[jovial vault]

Yeesh i can imagine

[charred parrot]

but ya it 100% wasn't from us

[fair rampart]

so dysentery

[charred parrot]

theres no poo or contaminated water for her to even drink

and giardia has an incubation period of something like 2-3 weeks I think

so timeline matches up

[fair rampart]

she must have had water tho

[charred parrot]

ya was likely water

nasty little buggers

[fair rampart]

one of my cats, Alex, had a worm when he was young

A

worm

just one

[jovial vault]

Oof

[charred parrot]

but they look really cool

[fair rampart]

literally JUST a single worm

[jovial vault]

oh you have a cat too?

[fair rampart]

nothing else

he coughed it up

[jovial vault]

Hmmmm

[fair rampart]

never had an issue with worms again

[charred parrot]

worms are the worst thing

ever

eveeeeer

[fair rampart]

also watching that worm curl up was just

ugh

the way it moved

[charred parrot]

"Oh shit is this the outside, boy I hate the outside reeeeeeeeee"

but ya the thought of these things being inside you

feeding on you

reproducing inside of you

[fair rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491769293416038408/557730045024796712/NOPESPIDER.gif

[charred parrot]

not fun

you've probably been around for me to bring it up

but there's one variety of worm known as echinococcus

and its gimmick is that it makes absolutely monstrous cysts inside of you

we're talking 15-25cm in diameter

growing 1cm per year

actually worst thing ever

[fair rampart]

wait

is this the worm that comes out of your ankle

[charred parrot]

no

this is the one that kills you by organ failure because its cysts get so large they start pushing against your organs

[fair rampart]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis
well have fun

[charred parrot]

ya this motherfucker is also terrible

[fair rampart]

oh fuck embed why

[jovial vault]

Hnnnn why did i have to see that

This is why microbio and immunobiology make me go 😬

[fair rampart]

have fun with the thought that thing prob extended like a meter inside his leg, and curled around his bones

not exaggerating

[jovial vault]

[charred parrot]

yep

its k though we've shat on it hardcore

[fair rampart]

yeah

[charred parrot]

cases are down to something like 20

[fair rampart]

not hard enough

[charred parrot]

meanwhile malaria is still killing ridiculous amounts of people a year

we can legit kill off their mosquito vector if we wanted to

instantly

no going back

[jovial vault]

Living in a malaria hotspot is a big oof tbh

Ye p

[charred parrot]

the question is do we want to

[jovial vault]

Because ecosystem etc

[charred parrot]

ye

[fair rampart]

is this about the genetically modified mosquitos?

[charred parrot]

ya so thers this concept called a gene drive

[fair rampart]

👖 🚗

[charred parrot]

and basically what it does is force the other copy of the chromosome to also have the gene drive

and whatever is inside of it

in the case of mosquitoes you'd put the gene that forces it to be male

and all of the sudden you can't get anything but male mosquitoes

well male and androgynous

[leaden hedge]

didn't stop greece

[fair rampart]

why not just make mosquitos that can't host malaria

that would also kill off the vector

but leave the ecosystem intact

probably

[leaden hedge]

malaria or something else would likely adapt

[fair rampart]

that kind of adaption takes a long time to occur

[leaden hedge]

just like global warming

or the economy

[fair rampart]

if the population of mosquitos changed rapidly, malaria would lose its method of spreading

[charred parrot]

well you hope it would

[leaden hedge]

the population generally changes rapidly if you remove all the females

[fair rampart]

just turn the mosquitos gay ™

worked for frogs

[leaden hedge]

mosquitos don't live in the water

so the chemicals we put in the water don't work

[fair rampart]

they do tho

they spend half their lives as aquatic nymphs

[charred parrot]

pretty sure mosquitoes lay eggs in warm water

[leaden hedge]

they drinking the water during that time

[charred parrot]

warm still water

[leaden hedge]

do mosquitoes even drink water

[charred parrot]

The answer is simple

me make the mosquitoes gay

[leaden hedge]

you're just gonna make a species of hermaphrodic mosquitoes

that canself impregnate

[charred parrot]

thats not how that works

[leaden hedge]

nature will find a way

[fair rampart]

the ideal solution: alter the genes of the mosquito population to make them unsuitable vectors of malaria transmission

the easy solution: take away reproductive capabilities of mosquito population, likely causing extinction of multiple species and irreparable ecological damage... but no more malaria

[leaden hedge]

do mosquitoes do anything

i dunno if they are important for the ecosystem

[fair rampart]

food source for bats

[charred parrot]

ya they're a good source of food

for a lot of things

[fair rampart]

and birds

[leaden hedge]

add more birds then

[charred parrot]

and my legion of gremlins

[leaden hedge]

they'll eat all the mosquitos

[charred parrot]

you know what we need less of?

people shoving their faces in bird ass

looking at you

China

[fair rampart]

fix the problem directly by eating the mosquitos yourself

[leaden hedge]

we dont have mosquitoes here

[charred parrot]

false

[fair rampart]

import some mosquitos

[leaden hedge]

i've literally never seen a mosquito

[fair rampart]

kdt lives in antarctica?

[charred parrot]

actually the worst thing on the planet

perfectly deigned to be the shittiest organism on the planet

that isnt a worm

[fair rampart]

pandas?

[leaden hedge]

oh apparently we do have them

just not in the north

which is why i've never seen one

[fair rampart]

antarctic mosquitos?

[charred parrot]

we have yet to hear anything about gen 8

in months

I want

Pokemans

[fair rampart]

moar scottish waifu

[charred parrot]

oh my god the scottish trainer memes

[leaden hedge]

we get midges i guess

which bite, but arent exactly mosquitoes

[charred parrot]

as per usual

no one gives a fuck about the boy trainer

I feel like they shit out that design in under 24 hours

and the girl gets like

months and months

[fair rampart]

most generic boy since gen 4

[leaden hedge]

males are always boring and generic

[charred parrot]

look at this loser

[fair rampart]

ikr

even as a kid i was like fuck no ill play the girl

[leaden hedge]

when i was a kid you didnt get a choice

[fair rampart]

i started at gen 4... sort of

gen 4 was the first one i owned

but i played a bit of leafgreen on my cousin's gameboy before then

[leaden hedge]

i think crystal was the first game you could pick the pc

[fair rampart]

btw i check r34 earlier.
there's almost 400 lewds of scottish girl

[jovial vault]

sigh

[fair rampart]

on that site alone

[leaden hedge]

gotta wait for minus8 to add it to his flash

[fair rampart]

only 400?

i think it was either 37X or 39X

[charred parrot]

I thought the ultra sun and ultra moon girl was pretty meh

[fair rampart]

i like selene tho

[jovial vault]

gen 6?

[charred parrot]

gen 7

[jovial vault]

ah

[charred parrot]

this girl

[fair rampart]

i prefer her sm design

over usum design

[charred parrot]

look how blegh this guy is

and then you got

this

[fair rampart]

best girl and best starter

excellent choice

[charred parrot]

Calem was good though

[fair rampart]

lanky boi

[charred parrot]

I think the Gen 6 traienrs were supposed to be significantly older

like 16

as opposed to 10/11

[fair rampart]

gen 5 were as well

speaking of which, gen 5 males weren't bad

pretty decent even

but hilda

[leaden hedge]

they should go even younger

[charred parrot]

no

KDT stop

[leaden hedge]

born 5 seconds ago

its time for an adventure

get the fuck out of my house

[fair rampart]

you're an adult at age 6 now

[charred parrot]

best Pokemon was Zoroark

Gen 5 had so many hits

and so many misses

[fair rampart]

kyurem

[charred parrot]

on one end you've got some amazing pokemon like Zoroark and Excadrill

[leaden hedge]

heracross actually

[charred parrot]

and then you've got

[leaden hedge]

is the best pokemon

[charred parrot]

Klingklang

[fair rampart]

kyurem black: yo fam check out this ice punch

if logic existed

at gamefreak

[charred parrot]

I like Kyurem

[fair rampart]

arms of ice

[charred parrot]

also they just repeated the gimmick for Necrozma

[fair rampart]

cannot learn ice punch

ghastly and wooper have nothing to punch with

they can learn it

[charred parrot]

this is a cool design fuck you

electric ice dragon is cool

[fair rampart]

i like it

[leaden hedge]

is that your sonic oc

[charred parrot]

yes

[fair rampart]

but it is dumb that gamefreak didn't give it ice punch

[charred parrot]

gamefreak does a lot of dumb things

I dont like the necrozma forms as much

though Dawn Wing is cool

[fair rampart]

also FUCKING MAKE ICE BURN AND FREEZE SHOCK DUAL TYPE PLZ

[charred parrot]

Galaxy Brain Gamefreak

[fair rampart]

flying press exists

[charred parrot]

Solgaleo represent Sun
Lunala represents Moon
Lycanroc has a Day and Night Form

In US/UM you introduce forms of Sol and Luna that are called Dusk and Dawn respectively.
Lycanroc gets a Dusk form
No dawn form

pure dumb

[fair rampart]

you know electross?

[charred parrot]

or how about never keeping things that work

ye

[fair rampart]

can't learn thunderfang

like wtf

[charred parrot]

a lot of pokemon cant learn good moves

that would make sense

[fair rampart]

it just makes perfect sense

its not like it cant use fang moves

it gets hyperfang

[charred parrot]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fantendo/images/0/0b/Zoroark_by_wingwolf_wingd-d362c9b.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110507063523

best pokemon

[fair rampart]

but now the one that makes sense

[charred parrot]

releases my inner teenager edge

but I still love it

Night Daze looks like such garbage

in the game

and the fact they gave it to Lunala and took away its signature move status

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[fair rampart]

ice burn in the anime

[charred parrot]

pretty cool

I think Freeze Shock looked pretty shit

also heres a thought

Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem are supposed to be part of the same original dragon

[fair rampart]

freeze shock

[charred parrot]

why the shit do we not see this dragon

ok nvm that looks cool

[fair rampart]

yeah want kyurem complete form

[charred parrot]

so many missed opportunities

looking forward to Detective Pikachu though

[fair rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468848206659190794/550725842872041473/6.png
mega unown when

[jovial vault]

hmmm

[charred parrot]

speaking of missed opportunities

anyone watch Steven Universe

[fair rampart]

i watched some of it

[jovial vault]

i've watched most of it

[fair rampart]

has a lot of issues

[jovial vault]

ye

[charred parrot]

The finale is like

the most depressing thing

because it shows how many things they could have done

if they didn't

fucking

[jovial vault]

i haven't seen the finale yet

ooh

[charred parrot]

waste time on filler

[jovial vault]

what happens?

lmao

[charred parrot]

everything

[jovial vault]

pensive

[charred parrot]

everything happens all at once within the span of 40 min

[fair rampart]

hey sadie and lars lets go to an island okay cool oh no sadie hid the teleporter so they were stuck there even tho they could have left at any time if she hadnt hidden it and lars is the bad guy for getting mad at her like wtf

[charred parrot]

hey Greg let me take the form of your dead wife in front of you and your son and then torment you

mino do you care about spoilers?

[jovial vault]

nope

[charred parrot]

k so in the finale

[jovial vault]

i've basically watched it till white diamond shows up

[charred parrot]

this is 40 min btw

they have a party, steven fucks it up by forming stevonnie

they all get locked up

blue diamond gets convinced to come over to their side

they escape with blue diamond

blue diamond and yellow fight

yellow comes to their side

they go to white diamond and try to convince her to not be a dick

she's still a dick

turns out she has gem mind control powers and takes over the other two diamonds

the 4 diamond ships come together and form a big robot

[fair rampart]

also, can the animators stick to a bible? the size discrepancies are really distracting
like yeah, they happen sometimes in other stuff, but usually not noticeable unless you look for it

[charred parrot]

steven fuses with amethyst again

steven fuses with garnet

steven fuses with pearl

steven fuses with Amethyst Garnet and Pearl to form big lava girl

make it inside giant robo head

other 3 gems get mind control zapped

[fair rampart]

i thought they formed...
alexandrite?

[charred parrot]

white and steven talk

white poofs steven but doesnt actually

instead they fucking

uuuuuh

split?

into like an energy steven that represents his gem half

and the human half

and they're both dying

or something

[fair rampart]

getting cut in half usually does that

[charred parrot]

Gem half steven is for some reason op as fuck and white diamond cant blast him

the two stevens fuse together

[jovial vault]

this is all within 40 minutes

[charred parrot]

Steven calls white a child

she gets embarrassed and steven wins

talk no jutsu

they go back to earth

lars is reunited with his family for 3 frames of animation

they uncorrupt all the gems

in a giant fountain bubble bath

and dats it

[jovial vault]

🤔 i don't know how to respond to all of this

but that's. a lot

[fair rampart]

wrong one

[charred parrot]

like it sounds like a lot

because it fucking is

but overall its fine

[fair rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-obviously-duh-okay-yes-gif-6035524

[charred parrot]

but its a shame because like

all these plot points could have been spread out across a whole season

Blue and Yellow switch to the good guy side within literally 2 minutes each

thousands of years of literally being worse than hitler

gone in 2 min

[fair rampart]

well... thats mostly yellow

[charred parrot]

Blue managed the Human Zoo

[jovial vault]

ah yes. that

[fair rampart]

not too bad then

[charred parrot]

oh also apparently the diamonds had no idea their beam would corrupt gems

which is buuuuuuuuuull

[fair rampart]

would... they not test it first

[charred parrot]

it was a retcon to make them more redeemable

100%

[fair rampart]

oh like the retcon for the moon temple steven doomed in season 1

where they made it like it didn't matter

[charred parrot]

keep in mind these are the same people that took the shattered gems of killed troops and formed horrible zombie amalgamation creatures out of them

and made a massive one

and put it in a planet

like these are baaaad people

really really bad

[fair rampart]

how can they not know what it does

they literally made one

on purpose

and stuck it in the planet

[charred parrot]

those amalgamations arent corrupted gems though

corrupted gems have issues just... making themselves

those amalgamations are pieces of a full gem that worked normally but is like mashed together with other things

[fair rampart]

i need to sleep

conversation ending 100

excellent social skills

[charred parrot]

np

gnight

[fair rampart]

but for real tho, i should have been asleep over 2 hours ago

[jovial vault]

night

[charred parrot]

but ya the issue with steven universe is that they spent way too much time on the boring shit

townie garbage

and not on the cool shit

alien gem wars

[jovial vault]

yeah agreed honestly

[charred parrot]

what the

whats with the HK fangames

[jovial vault]

there are how many hk fangames now

[charred parrot]

3 if you include us

[jovial vault]

[nda] jk

[charred parrot]

not really no

[jovial vault]

ye

[charred parrot]

we've evolved

but still that guys request is very nutty

[jovial vault]

moved past hollow knight

a 3D hk is a lot. of work

[charred parrot]

its an insane amount of work

2D games are way way easier in comparison

also a 3D dark-soul Hollow Knight is just Dark Souls

[jovial vault]

3D animation just makes me 😬

pretty much