archived-modding-development

[leaden hedge]

assembly code

[dark wigeon]

Basically are you replacing the function (as in redirection) or are you modifying what assembly code is already there by adding and removing instructions

[leaden hedge]

im replacing a jmp [address] with a call [address]

inside of the internal get delta time function

from.Write(ref offs, 0xE8);
            from.Write(ref offs, (uint)(int)(
                (long)target - ((long)from + offs + sizeof(uint))
            ));

E8 is call

[dark wigeon]

Ok I see

Why are you doing that

Not saying it's bad but just wondering

[leaden hedge]

to make deltatime and fixeddeltatime always return the same values

because unity uses them alot internally, and it messes stuff up if you want the game to run at exactly X speed per frame

[dark wigeon]

C++/cli mods

Which I guess is still .net but whatever

[leaden hedge]

iirc patching the managed code made it so fixed updates would still be based of the "real" time

[copper nacelle]

same

[leaden hedge]

        public void MakeWritable(NativeDetourData detour) {
            // PAGE_READWRITE causes an AccessViolationException / TargetInvocationException.
            if (!VirtualProtect(detour.Method, (IntPtr) detour.Size, Protection.PAGE_EXECUTE_READWRITE, out Protection oldProtection))
                throw new System.ComponentModel.Win32Exception();

            Inner.MakeWritable(detour);
        }

        public void MakeExecutable(NativeDetourData detour) {
            if (!VirtualProtect(detour.Method, (IntPtr) detour.Size, Protection.PAGE_EXECUTE_READWRITE, out Protection oldProtection))
                throw new System.ComponentModel.Win32Exception();

            Inner.MakeExecutable(detour);
}

?

[copper nacelle]

Oh I'm blind

I was just looking at inner

Wouldn't C++ have to change the protection level too though?

Also can't you just use NativeDetour

[leaden hedge]

this is nativedetour?

[copper nacelle]

no i mean

new NativeDetour
(
     GetType().GetMethod("get_deltaTime").GetNativeStart(),
     (IntPtr)((long)hkexe + 0x3DEAA9)
)

[leaden hedge]

no

[copper nacelle]

unfortunate

why

[leaden hedge]

pretty sure that just replaces the pointer of one thing with another

and
(IntPtr)((long)hkexe + 0x3DEAA9) points to a jump

but we need a call

[copper nacelle]

o

[leaden hedge]

which is what this line is for
from.Write(ref offs, 0xE8);

[charred parrot]

has anyone ever looked at the code of Enter the Gungeon?

how well put together is that game

[buoyant obsidian]

I gave up pretty quickly

and the Discord was struggling to do anything without an API

[charred parrot]

If I remember correctly the game IS apparently well put together but theres just no support for the modding community at all

[weak lodge]

the devs said the base of the game's code was pretty bad

[charred parrot]

oh is that a fact?

riperino

[weak lodge]

sigh

[thorny quartz]

This may be a strange question, but does anyone know how scene transition is handled in the game? I looked around a bit and it seems like it uses string reference, but I have no idea how it knows where to put the knight in the next scene

[copper nacelle]

EnterHero

[thorny quartz]

Oo

So correct me if I'm wrong, it seems it has a string reference to the next door/entry point, it gets that in the next scene, and plops the Hero there

[solemn rivet]

56

how room rando be

me help

[rain cedar]

@yusuf room rando stream

[solemn rivet]

fixed

[solemn rivet]

eww

[rain cedar]

I have worse in salt & sanctuary

[copper nacelle]

I tried to make it two MethodInfos

but that's not allowed

because only constants

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[copper nacelle]

so now it is only constants

[rain cedar]

It's stupid

[copper nacelle]

yes

        [MonoModIgnore]
        [ReplaceWithNop(23)]
        [ReplaceMethod(typeof(GameObject), "GetComponent", new [] { typeof(Type) }, typeof(GameObject), "GetComponent", new [] { typeof(string)})]
        private extern void DoHasComponent(GameObject go);

really just perfect

[rain cedar]

https://github.com/seanpr96/Salt.Modding/blob/master/Salt.Modding/Patches/ProjectTower/gamestate/NewGameManager.cs#L18

[copper nacelle]

pain

why are they arrays

[thorny quartz]

Is Scene transition handled by getting a string reference to the next door/entry point, it getting that position in the next scene, and plopping the Hero there?

[rain cedar]

I think it's so you can define an arbitrary amount of instructions

[copper nacelle]

o

[rain cedar]

Salt & Sanctuary is incredibly painful to mod

Everything runs on consts

const is the devil

[thorny quartz]

Interesting

[solemn rivet]

I'll be streaming some Bayonetta

never played it before

😩

[charred parrot]

link stream

[solemn rivet]

https://www.twitch.tv/gradow

[hazy sentinel]

any twitch avatar

[leaden hedge]

no

[hazy sentinel]

sad but true

[floral furnace]

gradow add donation text to speech feature

[solemn rivet]

no

[floral furnace]

pensive

[still warren]

can i get the link to the mod manager again pleeeas

great thanks

[dark wigeon]

Good news the level loader mod is almost done, I will probably push it tomorrow

My code is completely garbage but it got rid of the lottery bug

[floral furnace]

good shit

[jovial vault]

nice!

[charred parrot]

sign but animated

nice

[jovial vault]

Sigh

[gilded lotus]

sigh

[weak lodge]

sigh

[hollow chasm]

wasn't someone working on a multiplayer mod?

[charred parrot]

what psychopath

would be doing that

https://gyazo.com/ba7ea3ad8993392772b94deed2e3507b

[jovial vault]

I should really work on an actual healthbar and stuff

[charred parrot]

Ya if you could make some UI stuff 😛

Like hearts

Masks

because other than animations its the only thing that looks jank

[jovial vault]

Yee

Also are you going to replace swathe sprite?

Also hmmm should the masks be like lifeblood hearts

[charred parrot]

discuss in server

[jovial vault]

Ye

Cant breach nda

[solar jacinth]

wow that looks nice actually

[charred parrot]

Mino if you breach NDA I'll come over to wherever you live and destroy you

[jovial vault]

I live out in the middle of the pacific come out and fistfight me

Also 🤔 i thought you knew where im from

[charred parrot]

errr

it may have come up but I forgot

sorry :/

[solar jacinth]

praise mino

[jovial vault]

Im from good old south asia

[gilded lotus]

@charred parrot btw that looks great i remember screens from the start, looks like it's come a long way already

[charred parrot]

India?

Brazil?

Antarctica?

[gilded lotus]

as a person who's bad with accents im pretty sure mino is from india

khan alone in general again

[solar jacinth]

no i think she is from japan or china or korea

[charred parrot]

Mino goes by they I believe

[jovial vault]

Ye

[solar jacinth]

so

where u from

[jovial vault]

Pakistan

A lot of family from india and afghanistan so you were right ig

[fair rampart]

What do we know about what Charm Glorification was going to be? Do we know how we would have been able to glorify, or is Exaltion mod's glorifcation a unique take?

[solar jacinth]

go to #hk-lore smh

[fair rampart]

Okay

[charred parrot]

didnt pakistan have an election recently

[jovial vault]

Last year

[fair rampart]

India has a national election today

It's only Pahse 1 out of 7 though

[jovial vault]

good old abba modiji

[charred parrot]

foreign politics that isnt the US

lel

[jovial vault]

imagine that

[fair rampart]

I am not sad that I don't get to vote, because ayega to Modi hi

[jovial vault]

time to channel my inner मित्रों

I mean. Haan yehi hona hai

[fair rampart]

BHAION AUR BEHENON

[jovial vault]

[charred parrot]

mino is this guy harassing you in another language

[fair rampart]

Server lang is english, so I better stop speaking in Indian /s

[jovial vault]

Smh lazy i speak four languages

No u stop speaking hindu

[charred parrot]

smh I speak 1.5

[jovial vault]

is the .5 c#

[solar jacinth]

nice catch

[fair rampart]

I reacted with the Gita

[charred parrot]

no its french

[jovial vault]

oh dang nice

How well do you know french

[solar jacinth]

like .5

[charred parrot]

language of the baguette

[jovial vault]

if i say chocolatine > pain au bread will you immediately block me

[charred parrot]

holy fuck though baguettes are amazing

[jovial vault]

Ye they are

[fair rampart]

Bonjour my petit crossaints

[jovial vault]

Le honhon

[charred parrot]

FROMAGE

[dusky lion]

Baguettes are scrumptious

[fair rampart]

viva la pain

[charred parrot]

the french have some good foods

[fair rampart]

lous LXIX

[solar jacinth]

by talking about foods

kebab

intensifies

[jovial vault]

Yum

[solar jacinth]

[jovial vault]

I was making qorma the other day

[fair rampart]

Well I made... What did I make?

Ah yes, Maggi!

[jovial vault]

Maggi

Nice

[charred parrot]

I'm not too good of a cook

but I like making chicken fried rice

korean food is so so good

off topic but ya

[solar jacinth]

you are off topic

[charred parrot]

rule 1 of #archived-modding-development

don't talk about mods

[fair rampart]

My school canteen can barely make regular fried rice, so I don't know WHAT you're talking about, but let's get back to Modding

[solar jacinth]

true

[jovial vault]

dm for good desi recipes i have a lot

[solar jacinth]

you guys wanna hear what minecraft were getting accused by ????

[fair rampart]

You could kill a particular kind of animal

[charred parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45O0IzLE1oc&feature=youtu.be

Raycast machine broke

yo give me recipes

[charred parrot]

something super weird that I love is when my dog finds a good place to lie down and then you just hear a nice big exhale after a second or two

[jovial vault]

Awww

[solar jacinth]

camera looks good ?

[ornate rivet]

not using obs

[solar jacinth]

everyone is telling me to download obs but no

[copper nacelle]

why

[solar jacinth]

idk

[floral furnace]

cuz its slow

[solar jacinth]

@copper nacelle

[copper nacelle]

Pog

[dusky lion]

current state of obs

[floral furnace]

literally treason

[ornate rivet]

yay

[dusky lion]

i wish i remembered why its like this

this is what i get for not sleeping

i actually cant remember anything

[solar jacinth]

you know what

ill use cinemachines for camera

[gilded lotus]

obs is good not slow

records 144fps good too

[nimble lake]

Where can I find all the mods?

is there a way to see what each mod does?

[solar jacinth]

read me

[nimble lake]

it's not being very clear what the "art" mod is

[copper nacelle]

memes

[solar jacinth]

its a shitpst

[copper nacelle]

^

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[copper nacelle]

there are also summaries

[dusky lion]

hollow knight deepmind AI

[nimble lake]

thanks

[gilded lotus]

which mod is this

https://www.twitch.tv/5fiftysix6/clip/RelentlessAltruisticQuailWholeWheat

cause i want it

[nimble lake]

looks like a sprite randomizer

[solar jacinth]

messed up with game with level editor i guess

[dusky lion]

fiftysix

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283467363729408000/570196406866804737/context.png make this the bg to fiftysix.dev

no

delete that message

[gilded lotus]

i'm almost tempted to semi-cheat in my PP fight by zooming out a bit

[copper nacelle]

that is a set of corrupted assets

[gilded lotus]

i want those corrupted assets

[copper nacelle]

I think I zipped them at some point

[gilded lotus]

i want to bare witness to cornifers true power

[floral furnace]

56 Elderbug The First Vessel when

[nimble lake]

how does the charm notch mod works?

Like if you have all of the charms you'll have like, dozens of notches?

[gilded lotus]

Charm Notch Mod: Automatically grants notches normally bought from Salubra upon collecting the required number of charms

[nimble lake]

So, yes?

Just to make sure I got that right

[gilded lotus]

you buy charm notches from salbura

except

this mod just gives them to you

upon reaching the charm threshold

[copper nacelle]

it literally just removes the effort of having to go and buy them

[nimble lake]

I see

How do I read the charm overhaul readme?

it's in .md

[gilded lotus]

open it with something else

[nimble lake]

I tried notepad++ and text editor

other .md files are ok though

[dusky lion]

In several full sentences, present analysis of thermodynamics-relates delta parameters linked to RD9 chemical rxn described by ME, TIE, NE above. For RD9 rxn report delta parameter symbol (e.g ΔHrxn), parameter sign, and context for consistency of sign with chemical/physical events for following: change in enthalpy, change in entropy, change in free energy. EXPLAIN how certain thermo delta parameter(s) is/are DRIVING FORCE(S) for RD9 rxn, therby ensuring high product yields. EXPLAIN how other thermo delta parameters is/are NOT driving force(s). in addition, EVALUATE how, at lab conditions for RD9 rxn, thermo delta parameters, in tandem with another relevant variable, join forces to dictate sign of change in free energy at lab conditions in context of Gibbs equation.

[gilded lotus]

thank you camilla very cool

[copper nacelle]

It's rtf not md

[nimble lake]

And also what happens when 2 mods try to change the same thing

like charms or something

[copper nacelle]

depends

[nimble lake]

And what happens if you turn HK build into debug

[copper nacelle]

you can change config settings so you can use debuggers

Unity Dev console is shown

And logging shows full stack traces on each log

[nimble lake]

does it affect gameplay somehow?

[copper nacelle]

no

[nimble lake]

How do I turn on debug menu?

[copper nacelle]

Install it

Open a save

[nimble lake]

ah you mean f1

[copper nacelle]

[ornate rivet]

ah yes PARCC testing means I have 2 hours of english

how nice

[solemn rivet]

Eyy 56

ETA on room rando?

I haven't touched hk for like a year

If that's coming any time soon, I need to start playing again

[jovial vault]

56 multiplayer mod when

[gilded lotus]

Mino health bar when

[jovial vault]

shhhhhhhh you dont know about that

[gilded lotus]

Aaaaaaaaaa

[solemn rivet]

👀

I can just add it to the existing enemyhpbars u kno

[copper nacelle]

When I stop getting homework

[floral furnace]

getting homework lmao nerd

[solemn rivet]

oof

guess I'll move onto another game then

back to playing bayonetta

Wut

[jovial vault]

also gradow its not health bars for hk modding its health bars for the hk fangame

Smh 56 finish school faster

[floral furnace]

HP Bars Silksong Port when

oh wait that game doesnt exist why bother

[jovial vault]

ttacco im worried about your coping mechanisms

also im not saying anything but saleh is an absolute madlad

[solemn rivet]

Don't worry about TTacco, that's just how he is

[fair rampart]

56 i am concerned

[copper nacelle]

Hi concerned

[fair rampart]

Somebody please make a mod that makes Voidheart retain Kingsoul's passive SOUL regen effect

u

[leaden hedge]

it basically does

kingsoul gives effectively 0 soul

so does voidheart

[fair rampart]

lmao

Effectively (But not) 0 is not equal to 0

in charm overhaul you can toggle between voidheart and kingsoul
by defeating pure vessel with compass equipped

[leaden hedge]

effectively 0 is 0

[glacial panther]

impossible

[fair rampart]

i could have made a better way to do it probably, but that was easiest way i could think of

No. Kingsoul passively regens SOUL, however little an amount. Voidheart DOES NOT do this.

[leaden hedge]

nail hit is 11 per hit, 9 hits takes something like 4 seconds, congrats you've already capped your soul

kingsoul will have generated a grand total of

maybe 2-3 soul

[fair rampart]

BJP, they are joking

they know kingsoul and voidheart are different

but the thing is

[leaden hedge]

kingsoul is so bad

[fair rampart]

why use kingsoul

[leaden hedge]

its completely pointless

[fair rampart]

You can never be too sure

[leaden hedge]

even if it was free

[fair rampart]

they have enough knowledge of the game mechanics inside and out to modify it thoroughly

yes they are joking

[leaden hedge]

you can just mod the game to give yourself soul regen

its completely useless throughout all stages of the game at the level kingsoul gives you

[fair rampart]

this is also true

Please direct me to the mod that lets me regen SOUL at the pace of KS

what

they are saying you could make it

[hollow pier]

isn't ks like 3 soul every 10 seconds or some shit

[leaden hedge]

4 every 2

[fair rampart]

4 soul per 2 seconds

I cannot make mods myself. Why would I be asking you guys if I could just program it myself. I do art.

[leaden hedge]

take a a minute to get a full bar

[hollow pier]

good charm

[leaden hedge]

its not exactly a complicated mod

[fair rampart]

but if you have no idea what you are doing, with no experience with modding tools

it may pose a challenge

[safe hamlet]

yea kingsoul is no good unless you are doing some challenge

basically same as void heart :^)

[leaden hedge]

onheroupdate += myfunc;
void myfunc(){
    timer += time.deltatime;
    while(timer >= 0.5){
        PlayerData.instance.AddSoul(1);
        timer -= 0.5;
    }    
}

[safe hamlet]

camelCase

[leaden hedge]

its actually Time.deltaTime;

but im selectively lazy

[fair rampart]

Where do I put that, though?

you need to make a dll in visual studio

or some other similar program

[safe hamlet]

i meant the method as a joke, i know it's just an example

[leaden hedge]

if you can find someone who has vs and hollow knight installed

they can do it for you I guess

I don't have hk installed

[safe hamlet]

i can do it for you

if you have $399 to pay me :^)

[leaden hedge]

i could get a chair for that much

[safe hamlet]

a very nice chair

[fair rampart]

haha

[safe hamlet]

italian leather

[fair rampart]

Swedish leather*

[leaden hedge]

i guess technically you also want to not do that if you have kingsoul equipped

[fair rampart]

823degree B E N D

Not do what?

[leaden hedge]

regen soul

as it'd double up

[fair rampart]

Yeah because then technically VH would still be objectively worse as a charm

[safe hamlet]

a KS check is easy to do tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fair rampart]

I want the same effectbecause I don't like downgrading

[hollow pier]

but vh is the best charm

don't u know anything

some value for no cost is infinite value

[leaden hedge]

if your problem is with objectively bad charms, you have way bigger problems than KS vs VH

[solemn rivet]

That's not the issue here but I digress

[fair rampart]

dammit pete i was just about to make that joke

[leaden hedge]

actually n/0 is undefined

and 0/0 is also undefined

[fair rampart]

no cost too great

[leaden hedge]

but I guess i'd take undefined over shit

[fair rampart]

That is also the principle KS works on. BEcause it's like 20 notches for sshit SOUL regen

[safe hamlet]

0/0 is not undefined tho

[leaden hedge]

yeah it is

[fair rampart]

nothing is worth 5 notches

0/0 is undefined because n/0 is undefined for all real values of n

[safe hamlet]

ehh

[charred parrot]

am I fucking stupid or wouldnt putting the timer increment before the while loop make you lose a frame

[leaden hedge]

no

because it does -= 0.5

[solemn rivet]

0/0 is way worse than n/0

[fair rampart]

That would be Long Div yes

[safe hamlet]

in calc, 0/0 is generally considered indeterminent

[fair rampart]

I once tried doing 0/0 by long division but then I realized I was just drawing a bunch of circles

[safe hamlet]

n/0 at least gives you a conclusion

while 0/0 does not

[charred parrot]

does he want it to only go twice?

oh wait

[leaden hedge]

it'll go forever?

[charred parrot]

lol ok

[leaden hedge]

are you high

[charred parrot]

im sorry I ust woke up ya

[leaden hedge]

its not 20/4 anymore

[safe hamlet]

lol

[jovial vault]

you mean 4/20

[charred parrot]

it will keep looping every 0.5 sec

[leaden hedge]

im not america

[charred parrot]

my bad

[jovial vault]

lazy's sleep cycle is wack

[safe hamlet]

no u

[charred parrot]

I woke up at 12

[jovial vault]

american way of writing dates is dumb but i appreciate 4/20

[leaden hedge]

america gonna be mad next year

[safe hamlet]

nah it's the lingering effect from 4/20

[leaden hedge]

when all of 4th month is 4/20

[jovial vault]

kdt aren't you american 😔

[leaden hedge]

im from england

[safe hamlet]

smh

[charred parrot]

also because Elections again

fucking america

[safe hamlet]

not living in the best country ever ie the US
:^)

[jovial vault]

smh the british, making me suffer through a levels

[leaden hedge]

soon im gonna have to start taking down memes in modding

after the eu bans them

[jovial vault]

turn modding into lore

[safe hamlet]

lol

[charred parrot]

is Hornet void>?

[jovial vault]

sigh

[fair rampart]

no

[leaden hedge]

i can't afford my meme loicense

[jovial vault]

kdt cant lose ur meme liscense if ur not in the EU

galaxy brain

[charred parrot]

does the method Hornet return void?

[leaden hedge]

and I can't risk jail for unloicensed memes hitting my eyeballs

[safe hamlet]

:wesmart:

[jovial vault]

sigh

the more i work with saleh the more im turning into them

[safe hamlet]

well tbh Ajit boi is going to remove the internet

so i guess no memes is better than no internet

[leaden hedge]

no memes is no internet

[fair rampart]

Big agree

[safe hamlet]

true

[leaden hedge]

and the uk is trying to ban porn

no memes, no porn

[charred parrot]

lol

[jovial vault]

how will kdt survive

[fair rampart]

UK not in EU

[charred parrot]

or is it

because they cant seem to make up their mind

[fair rampart]

neutral response

[leaden hedge]

i don't know why its taking them so long

surely the government should really want to leave the eu

[charred parrot]

why?

[leaden hedge]

that way they could continue to fuck our freedoms

[fair rampart]

the issue is the people

[charred parrot]

no lol

the issue are the big businesses with the $$$ that don't want it to happen

[fair rampart]

small disagree

[leaden hedge]

i dunno why you think the uk government gives any amounts of a fuck about the people

[fair rampart]

medium agree

[jovial vault]

big sigh

[charred parrot]

I watched a 5 minute youtube video on the subject, thus I am well versed in the controversial sociopolitical situation which is Brexit.

[fair rampart]

YT vid

Not 10 minutes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

imagine MMO Hollow Knight

[charred parrot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Yv24cM2os

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_I2rfApYk

that's 10 min of content I'm basically a genius

[jovial vault]

oh cgp grey, nice

[charred parrot]

he's really great ya

[fair rampart]

Hundreds of thousands of Knights just stabbing eachother while the one guy who maganged to get Descending Dark is absolutesly decimating everybiody

[charred parrot]

he seems to have a boner for flags though

MMO HK would be hilarious but actually terrible

[fair rampart]

Yes

[jovial vault]

lazy make that instead

[charred parrot]

no

[leaden hedge]

imagine having literally everything you say monitored, and if you say something the government doesn't like you can go to jail, thats right im talking about china the uk

[jovial vault]

no one could accuse you of ripping assets then

:^)

shhhh kdt

[charred parrot]

ooof

fucking China

[jovial vault]

can't let you get poofed for shittalking china

[fair rampart]

"Suicide with five shots to the back of the head"

[charred parrot]

remember when people figured out they were going to be implementing an app which tracks "social points"

people freaked out

China denied

but then they implemented it 3 years later

[jovial vault]

:^)

[charred parrot]

Remember when they denied having HIV because they denied having gay people?

[leaden hedge]

I remember there are no gay people chechnya

but thats russia

[fair rampart]

Remember when China tried to occupy Myanmar? Remember when Dalai Lama had to seek asylum in India because China hated his guts? Remember when China just said the state which housed Dalai Lama for a while just belonged to them? That last one was relatively recent but still

[charred parrot]

Remember when China just said the state which housed Dalai Lama for a while just belonged to them?

[jovial vault]

the iranian president also literally said there are no homosexuals in iran

oof

[charred parrot]

When your ball falls in someone else's yard so now the yard is just yours.

[fair rampart]

One of the justs is reduntant because I was in a hurry

[jovial vault]

the world is a hot mess etc etc

[leaden hedge]

iran doesn't have homosexuals

considering they force them to transition to avoid having them

[jovial vault]

it just has KDT

lmao yeah

[charred parrot]

oooof

[leaden hedge]

can't be gay if you're the other gender

[fair rampart]

Hey, on an unrelated note, does this channel mind swearing?

[charred parrot]

by getting rid of the gays we accidentally created more trans

[jovial vault]

what the fuck no swearing here

galaxy brain move

[leaden hedge]

they didn't accidently do it

[charred parrot]

Iran is actually the most progressing country in the middle east

plot twist

[leaden hedge]

theres nothing in islam against changing your gender

[fair rampart]

PLEASE TO NOT SWEAR TO THE CHILDRENS B I T C H

[jovial vault]

ye thats true

[leaden hedge]

thus to avoid the sin of being homosexual they force them to change their gender

[jovial vault]

i've seen it happen here too and it's big think

[fair rampart]

Where, Pak?

[jovial vault]

mhm

[charred parrot]

so in one Canadian uni

[fair rampart]

:Thinking:

[charred parrot]

there was a school presidential election thing

you know for the students

[fair rampart]

uh huh

[charred parrot]

and the student who won was this, I believe it was Taiwanese immigrant

who was very much Pro Taiwan independence

and the Chinese students or at least a vocal minority just fucking flipped their shit

[fair rampart]

subverting democracy as always

The vocal minority of Chini9ese are like this

[leaden hedge]

taiwan #1

china #8

[fair rampart]

Tiananmen Square 1989

May 35th attacks

[leaden hedge]

rip any chinese people on this server

[charred parrot]

naw Chinese people are fine they're just people

[jovial vault]

ye

[charred parrot]

its the nationalists that are sometimes iffy

[jovial vault]

that's true for most countries tbh

[leaden hedge]

if the chinese are fine why do they cheat constantly in literally every game

[fair rampart]

Imagine breeding people with another race so hard you dilute them into your gene pool, effectively causeing them to go extinct. Oh wait, neanderthals

[charred parrot]

k but one was just... you know random mating

and the other was an actual intentional effort to destroy a race

[fair rampart]

Oh it was?

Oh shit.

China is fucking horrible

[leaden hedge]

afaik if you deny genocide attempts they didn't happen

it worked with japan and turkey

[fair rampart]

It's going to work posthumously with Germany if we don't get our shit together Pronto

[charred parrot]

but what genocide could germany possibly have been apart of?

hmmmmmmm

[jovial vault]

pensive

[charred parrot]

good modding talk boys

[fair rampart]

I have literally seen idiots argue that you cannot spell Holocaust without 'Holo" meaning it was a hologram all along

[charred parrot]

Australia also did something along those "breed them out of existence" lines with their indigenous pop

and Canada

_>

<_<

[jovial vault]

canada :^)

[fair rampart]

The reason it fell flat on other people is because they foloowed it up with "A hologram BY THE J E W S"

[leaden hedge]

i prefer americas approach of putting them in a zoo

[charred parrot]

its a good country I feel but we've done some bad shit

[jovial vault]

yeah

[leaden hedge]

its not genocide if they still exist

[fair rampart]

attempt

[charred parrot]

big brain

[jovial vault]

modding is just general 2, but a smaller group of people

[charred parrot]

"If there was REALLY a genocide then WHY ARE THERE STILL JEWS? HUH?"

[naive thorn]

wtf

[fair rampart]

I am going to say the n word

NICE.

[leaden hedge]

i was talking about native americans actually

[charred parrot]

checkmate atheists

that too

[fair rampart]

If the post below this is not an n word i will nuke israel

Nanking

[jovial vault]

ohhh boy

[fair rampart]

Israel LIVES ANOTHER DAY

DAMN IT FELLOW GAMERS! I HAVE BEEN F O I L E D ONCE MORE!

[naive thorn]

mods jsut go into hollow_knight_Data?

[jovial vault]

there's an installer which's easier than manual mod installation

[naive thorn]

yes iu have the installer

still hbave to say what path

got it

[naive thorn]

so i am playing lightb ringer right now and the empress giant fly is pink and super strong. is that from lightbringer? or did i incedently installed another "boss buff mod?"

[twin cloak]

It's from Lightbringer.

You might want to go around.

[naive thorn]

yeah

i really want the geo charm e.e

[buoyant obsidian]

yeah she's quite the threat early on, your best bet is to just avoid her until you're strong enough

it kinda forces you to take a different path than normal, unless you're crazy enough to actually fight her before you're strong enough

[solemn rivet]

Or use debug

[thorny quartz]

Is the Hero a Singleton, or is one spawned in each scene upon load?

[rain cedar]

Those aren't exclusive

But it's the same hero through transitions

[thorny quartz]

Interesting.

What actually spawns the hero?

[rain cedar]

It's just a prefab

Never really looked into what exactly creates the hero

Probably an fsm somewhere

[thorny quartz]

Thanks

[ornate rivet]

nice

[jovial vault]

Pensive

It gets 45C where i am and ive never gotten that

[ornate rivet]

I would rather die than live at 45 C

[jovial vault]

I would rather die tbh

[ornate rivet]

[quick lotus]

to install a mod i just download the mod api and click on the mod right?

how do i select the mod that i want to play with while on game?

or is it just for just default

[fair rampart]

Options > Mods

[safe hamlet]

do you live in death valley or something, mino?

[weak lodge]

yes we do live in #archived-modding-development

[quick lotus]

Just out of curiosity, if i install a mod and make a new game

If i enter the save in a pc without the mod

What will happen?

A friend of mine is using my Steam account to play HK and i'll have to make sure he doesn't enter that save but mistakes happen

[young walrus]

your computer gets deleted

[quick lotus]

What

Wdym

The save gets deleted?

The game crashes ?

Wdym

[young walrus]

your whole computer system dissolves into the ether

[quick lotus]

Oh ok

Makes sense

Understandeable

[weak lodge]

the modded content you removed will no longer be present

[young walrus]

unless it changed your save

which is mod dependent

[weak lodge]

^

[quick lotus]

I'll be playing lughtbringer or something like that i don't remember the name

The one with ranged attacks

[weak lodge]

play lightbringer

[quick lotus]

That

I wrote lught instead of Light lol

[young walrus]

outcome 1) nothing happens
outcome 2) game crashes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

those are your bookends of possibility

[quick lotus]

Mmmm

Why does hollow Knight have only 5 saves

Reeee

[weak lodge]

moresaves exists

[young walrus]

well it has 4

[quick lotus]

4"

[young walrus]

and you can manage them as much as you want

they're just files

copy them

move them around

use the more saves mod

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak lodge]

also why are you not playing with QoL on 😡

[quick lotus]

?

What Is that?

[weak lodge]

a mod

[charred parrot]

Queue the naruto theme.

[safe hamlet]

epic gamer moment

[ornate rivet]

oh god oh fuck

[leaden hedge]

zz wanted to buy forager but I can't because my card is locked due to fraud FeelsBadMan

[hollow pier]

but aint they all japan

[leaden hedge]

and its 11pm so i can't even complain FeelsBadMan

[dusky lion]

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[dusky lion]

oh my god

beautiful

[dark wigeon]

I would release it now but I know somehow it's going to break so I'd like to test it a little more

[hazy sentinel]

but consider this

releasing it is really just getting free testers

[dark wigeon]

When I can confirm it works in most cases

This is just one object in one scene, it could crash if anything else happened

[ornate rivet]

YASSSSSSS

[leaden hedge]

put 1000 objects with collision in a level

whats the worst that could happen

[gilded lotus]

2fps

[leaden hedge]

not if you had efficient collision detection

aka not box2d

[ornate rivet]

does unity even have efficient collision detection?

[leaden hedge]

i think 3d one isn't too bad

but 2d is just box2d afaik

[ornate rivet]

wtf

how can they do 3d well but not something simpler

[leaden hedge]

2d isn't even a thought

not that I think 3d is super optimal, but I don't think you can do janky stuff to improve 3d like you can 2d

[dark wigeon]

You think unity 2d is bad but have you seen unreal 2d

[leaden hedge]

I don't think quadtrees work well in 3d

well octree for 3d as theres 8 cubes instead of 4 squares

[dark wigeon]

Don't remind me of the dual contouring I did for subnautica

So how does the collision work for 2d again?

Does it matter if the gameobject is between a certain z value or no

[leaden hedge]

for 2d no

but afaik it doesn't implement any optimizations (besides removing duplicate collision checks)

[ornate rivet]

wtf discord looks different

[dark wigeon]

Well I'm trying it with collision now

[ornate rivet]

hype

[dark wigeon]

Lol ok

So it works but the animation is stuck in a falling anim

[ornate rivet]

interesting

[dark wigeon]

Is there anything I need to do besides add a box2d collider

[leaden hedge]

you might need to add a box2dproxy

for fsm objects

and rigidbodies too

[dark wigeon]

I don't really know what I could change, except maybe the material is called "Terrain"
here's one of the platforms without the tilemap gameobject behind it

[leaden hedge]

what layer is it on

[dark wigeon]

terrain

hmm

[leaden hedge]

aren't layers numbers

[ornate rivet]

oof

[leaden hedge]

i dunno what the layers are called

I just know 8 is floor and 11 is bad people

[dark wigeon]

there's the list with the ids and names

[leaden hedge]

ye but saying its terrain meant nothing

[dark wigeon]

gotcha

let me try with terrain then

[leaden hedge]

usually the player getting stuck falling, is them colliding with none floor

[dark wigeon]

yeet

[ornate rivet]

double hype

[dark wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBNUJMMdao

[ornate rivet]

so hot it burns

everyone must see this

[leaden hedge]

what makes the splash

[ornate rivet]

@unborn badger ^^^

[leaden hedge]

for footsteps

[ornate rivet]

oh good point

[dark wigeon]

idk

[unborn badger]

i c

[ornate rivet]

all the floors in that scene might be like that

[leaden hedge]

might just be a fullroom modifier

[dark wigeon]

thats what I was thinking

[leaden hedge]

stuff in greenpath has leaves on step

[dusky lion]

these are gr3eat

[glacial panther]

you could probably check if it's room based in city of tears

[dusky lion]

i cant wait to make rooms solely made out of images of vortigaunts

[unborn badger]

i can't wait to make rooms solely out of marmu death frames

[leaden hedge]

ye but can you make it load stuff with scripts in dlls

[ornate rivet]

^^

if we could attach scripts then that would be beyond godly, it's already godly

[dark wigeon]

right now its not possible

it is but it isnt

basically you can get it to load an assembly, but as far as i know it has to be in the managed folder, and that has to be redirected on build

[ornate rivet]

sad

[dark wigeon]

its possible, but not for this release

[leaden hedge]

i mean you could maybe add a hook to the api for adding custom objects

that passes some sort of unique identifier

[dark wigeon]

well I could use reflection which would be a lot easier and a lot hackier

[ornate rivet]

can particles be added with the current version?

[dark wigeon]

I'd rather just get the stuff together to bake the monobehaviour into the bundle and load it directly with unity's code

yes

[ornate rivet]

noice

[dark wigeon]

anything except scripts

[ornate rivet]

very hot

[dark wigeon]

even custom shaders and materials

ok well it seems fine right now

so I just need to modify the editor a little bit and it should work fine

[leaden hedge]

to make it authentic you need to never add script support

and make a playmakerfsm compiler

and only let people add playmakerfsm components

[dark wigeon]

also the load times are going to be crap because I'm fixing everything unity messes up

[ornate rivet]

ok

[leaden hedge]

how will this interface with room rando

[dark wigeon]

I don't know you tell me

[leaden hedge]

it won't because 56 is too lazy to create room rando

[brazen mortar]

\🕳

[gilded lotus]

🕳

[dusky lion]

\☻

[safe hamlet]

\🕳

[dusky lion]

\〠

[stark swan]

has anyone ever dropped a greenpath platform on the radiance, or used a goam or garpede to hit it?

[hollow pier]

👊 🌳

[leaden hedge]

does changing the z-axis make it parallax

[dark wigeon]

Yes

[leaden hedge]

does that parralax the colliders

[dark wigeon]

I haven't tried that yet but I gtg so I'll try that later

[fair rampart]

now this is epic

[ornate rivet]

minecraft in hollow knight

[safe hamlet]

owo

[gilded lotus]

🕳w🕳

[quick lotus]

hello wibbas

so i was playing lightbringer

and

why does the up atack and down attack do less damage?

they seem more risky

flying enemies are cancer

[brazen mortar]

its to require you to use the projectiles

apparently theres a charm that gives vertical projectiles

im not sure i never played that far into the mod

kinda got bored since it just didnt feel like my thing

[quick lotus]

mmm

ok

also

do you know if the modded ver also gives archivments ?

[brazen mortar]

probably the ones you dont already have

dont see why they wouldnt

[quick lotus]

makes sense

i had a problem

and i didn't get some archivements

for example

[ornate rivet]

you should get all achievements

mods dont block them

[quick lotus]

ok thx

the archivmenets tell that i haven't defeated the failed champion

lmao

dabs in knightmere king grimm

[weak lodge]

huh?

[gilded lotus]

huh?

[weak lodge]

he quite visibly

i get if you accidentally put a k infront

but not spell it 'mere'

[quick lotus]

sorry

autocorrector

[brazen mortar]

i never understood why it was knightmere not knightmare

[gilded lotus]

forknife

[weak lodge]

uh

it used to be knightmare for a very short period of time

but that sounded unoriginal and i wanted a way to self deprecate in my own name

@brazen mortar

[brazen mortar]

[gilded lotus]

gnikhtmere

[fair rampart]

gnomere

[brazen mortar]

gnome

[weak lodge]

gno

[civic hare]

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[charred parrot]

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wtf unity

[weak lodge]

hahayes

[charred parrot]

I changed 1 black box.

and suddenly no detection on the ceiling

and only that part of the ceiling

[safe hamlet]

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[charred parrot]

its the same collider

which is just

mind numbing

[jovial vault]

Oh dang nes

[leaden hedge]

thats the problem with black boxes

you don't know how they work or whats in them

[charred parrot]

It's a tilemap collider with a black square sprite

[leaden hedge]

i was making a joke

about black box testing

[charred parrot]

figured

[dusky lion]

i do believe

[charred parrot]

but just to make sur

[dusky lion]

that i am in the wrong channel fuck

[charred parrot]

I wonder if this bug is in the actual build

[leaden hedge]

did you change it at runtime

maybe tilemap colliders don't work good if they are changed at runtime

[charred parrot]

it does exist in build

and no I didn't change it at run time

that's freaky

I mean at least its easy to fix, but I don't want to have to constantly check every fucking ceiling

for this rando ass bug

ok it is registering the collision

hmm

changing and saving scripts during a simulation causes unity to spasm

could be a floating point thing

it is

magic number time

yaaaay works

lol

[leaden hedge]

magic numbers are the best kind of number

[charred parrot]

apparently Unity has changed the Vector3 == operator to deal with inaccuracies

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Vector3-operator_eq.html

[leaden hedge]

yeah they overload it

[charred parrot]

I was using vector3.Equals

giga rip

I thought that one was the fixed version

whoops

[leaden hedge]

i'd just store positions as an int and use that

its not even like box2d even works with small distances at all

so I dunno why they don't just use some consistent values

[charred parrot]

there we go all fixed

[ornate rivet]

wow I am still 'awake'

[jovial vault]

Past 9pm, wow

[gilded lotus]

henlo

[dark wigeon]

Is there a mod to speed up the intro screen

[copper nacelle]

what intro screen

Is your API up to date

because I killed the intro

like 4 versions ago

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[quick lotus]

ok

wtf is that boss?

like

what

[young walrus]

empress muzznik

she told you to come back when worthy

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quick lotus]

...

understandeable

[young walrus]

mods changing the game

gasp

[quick lotus]

i was expecting it to be easy since you know

it's the first boss

[copper nacelle]

not anymore

[quick lotus]

is it a late game boss?

[young walrus]

you're not playing the base game

you're playing lightbringer

[quick lotus]

or do i need something to kill it

[gilded lotus]

i'm sure youll figure it out

[young walrus]

"come back when you're worthy"

[quick lotus]

do i need something to kill it or it's just damn strong"

[jovial vault]

The latter

[quick lotus]

i can play hours to kill it then

no hit

[jovial vault]

Good luck then

[quick lotus]

lmao i won't do it

i've died like 6 times

[gilded lotus]

hi mino

[quick lotus]

it's just fun how it's such a meme boss now

what are the alternative routes to get to the shopkeeper?

i don't remember

[dark wigeon]

Guess it's out of date then rip

[gilded lotus]

lake

[dark wigeon]

So basically the editor worked fine for the scene you start in but breaks for any scene after you leave and I think it's because they get scene by name which I have to change to load the modified scene

[solemn rivet]

Mato: just get to blue lake

[jovial vault]

Hello zaliant

[quick lotus]

is there a wiki or something like it to know what does each charm does?

[solemn rivet]

in lightbringer?

wdym

[quick lotus]

fragile nightmere is weird it says something like

[gilded lotus]

cant you just sit at a bench and hover over the charm

actually wont need a bench

[quick lotus]

i don't want to buy it if i don't know what it does

[young walrus]

well....

then don't buy it

[solemn rivet]

shop shows descriptions too

[quick lotus]

i don't know if it makes me stronger

[solemn rivet]

also

[young walrus]

well it probably doesn't make you weaker

[quick lotus]

or if it makes me stronger along with all the enemies

[solemn rivet]

how did you play the game the first time?

[young walrus]

^

probably wiki spoiled it

cuz the vanilla game charms don't tell you exactly what they do either

[solemn rivet]

yeah

but, idk

part of the fun for me is figuring that stuff out

how to use them, combos etc.

[quick lotus]

wait nvm

i thought it had a coma

but it was a point

[solemn rivet]

lore

knight is in a coma all along

it's all a dream

a wet dream

[quick lotus]

comma"

[solemn rivet]

56 stop reacting and finish room rando

[copper nacelle]

you

[solemn rivet]

I'll finish you

[copper nacelle]

no

[solemn rivet]

k

[young walrus]

[dark wigeon]

is there a build for the latest api anywhere

[young walrus]

where they all are

always

[gilded lotus]

glob bluncher

[quick lotus]

NOOOOO! now attacking cost soul... i'll need to stop attacking the air while walking

[solemn rivet]

[gilded lotus]

[copper nacelle]

you can just open the installer and it'll update the api nes

[young walrus]

[dark wigeon]

ok

[solemn rivet]

btw, lightbringer is good, but have you heard of our lord and saviour Lord Blackmoth?

[gilded lotus]

is this advertisement

[solemn rivet]

this is paid product placement

[dark wigeon]

thx 67

[quick lotus]

feeling cute

might play blackmoth later idk

[solemn rivet]

nice

[quick lotus]

what does it do?

[solemn rivet]

blacks your moth

[quick lotus]

nice

but really

what does it do?

[solemn rivet]

uhh

[quick lotus]

like

there's a black radiance or what?

[solemn rivet]

dash, hit, ???, profit

well

if I had the time, the talent and the money, I would add a custom boss fight

[quick lotus]

ra🅱🅱iance

[solemn rivet]

but I don't have either of these so

it's only a "dash-a-lot" mod

[quick lotus]

makes sense

since i love hollow knight mobility i'll try it

can i combine mods?

or i'll have to make another play trough to use the mod?

[gilded lotus]

depends on which ones

[quick lotus]

ni🅱🅱amoth and lightbringer

[solemn rivet]

uhh

I guess?

some charms might conflict

but