archived-modding-development

[rain cedar]

Also hk specific

[compact sedge]

livesplit's hk bindings are also hk specific, everything not pc game specific is cross platform

nah but I mean in the sense that if you say, use livesplit to time your super mario 64 speedrun you can use livesplit on electron and it will work just as well as any other program

[rain cedar]

My point is I'd have to make timers for every game I play which might not even be accepted as valid

When it all exists already for Windows with literally one button press

[fair rampart]

just run windows+livesplit in a vm

[compact sedge]

I feel like the speedrunning community is kinda lax about the technical stuff. For comparison, the celeste tas wasn't accepted in tas videos but a timer that reads memory 20 times per second and is potentially 1-2% off the actual time is perfectly acceptable for hk.

I bet 1000 bucks if I made a game with an ingame timer, that just so happened to be 1.5% slow compared to real life, because of a dumb bug. Livesplit would just read this timer and the speedrunning community would be okay with using it for timing runs so long as it was 1.5% slow on every system.

[rain cedar]

I mean yeah obviously

Consistency across players is all that matters

[compact sedge]

also fun fact, you can use dxvk or wine plus mesa software to run almost any game in a vm without proper gpu drivers (cough virtual box cough).

I got hollow knight running at 4 fps with it

[copper nacelle]

ngl that's like the worst example ever

Sekiro is supposed to run very well with proton

[compact sedge]

if you're on amd

you can use virgil

and run dx games in a real windows virtual machine with wine and virgl with full 3d acceleration

and it lets you run games that require .net features that wine doesn't have

by only relying on wine for the graphics

I dunno why you'd do this but you can do this

(also works on intel and presumably nouveau but I'm not testing nouveau)

[copper nacelle]

I can't wait to set up a gpu passthrough so I can time my games

[compact sedge]

this isn't gpu passthrough, gpu passthrough is dead and was killed by dxvk. and frankly so was virgil

but virgil was a different approach

[copper nacelle]

Yeah you can run the games but that doesn't fix any timing program

[compact sedge]

tbh just get a giant staples easy button, press it after every checkpoint

[copper nacelle]

perfect load remover

[compact sedge]

legit question

does libtas have universal timing functions?

for loads etc

[cunning lagoon]

there was this dude in the speedrunning channels who wanted to run on mac

and he asked if pausing the timer between loads was a valid option

[unborn badger]

imagine having a mac

[copper nacelle]

If I wasn't using dnSpy or livesplit I'd rather use a mac than windows

don't me

[unborn badger]

[copper nacelle]

mingw is great but having an actual shell is fantastic

[unborn badger]

while i was at a shitty family gathering this finished

[weak lodge]

do you have any specific reasons youde prefer a mac

[copper nacelle]

actual shell

[weak lodge]

explain in dumber terms

[copper nacelle]

bash

[unborn badger]

bash is a boring mechanic anyways

[copper nacelle]

non-mingw bash

[cunning lagoon]

56 talk in actual words or i WILL call you the r word

[compact sedge]

a good shell is underratedly good if you need a shell

[copper nacelle]

brew is a decent package manager

[fair rampart]

What's the difference

[copper nacelle]

better than choco

[unborn badger]

i like tea tbh

[weak lodge]

i get what you mean

[compact sedge]

I prefer KDE's UI to mac

tho

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

just a personal thing

[unborn badger]

also here's an actual shell

[fair rampart]

Unity

[copper nacelle]

Die

[weak lodge]

never owned a mac though, is it something you can upgrade with parts and all of that

[unborn badger]

no

[compact sedge]

no

[unborn badger]

because apple

[weak lodge]

knew it 😔

[unborn badger]

if you could upgrade a mac you wouldn't have to spend 1500+ dollars on the next mac and we can't have that can we?

[weak lodge]

most i know about mac is apple software and alot of games arnt compatible with it

[copper nacelle]

i mean if you're not dumb hackintoshing is pretty easy

[compact sedge]

but yeah this is bash a shell that is not cmd. it is objectively better to cmd because it has way better tab completion, wayyyyy more application support, more stable, easier to configure.

[weak lodge]

and pc modding on mac is virtually the same yea?

[copper nacelle]

mingw bash halfway makes up for it

still no sshd

[compact sedge]

fun fact, wine can cross compile to mingw, but not to windows directly.

[copper nacelle]

I had to run sshd in a docker container in order to keep ssh on windows

cursed shit

[compact sedge]

ewwwww

[copper nacelle]

There's work on sshd for windows but it still sucks rn

You want to know how I used that ssh

You'd ssh into the container

Use net rpc to restart the computer

It'd default to linux

[compact sedge]

I have like 7 programs that rely on a good, functioning, high quality sshd

[copper nacelle]

And then you can use the real sshd

big brain

I had to do it from school once

[fair rampart]

ls is one letter fewer than dir so therefore bash is an objectively superior shell lang

[copper nacelle]

I forgot to print my assignment

So I ssh'd to windows

restarted

ssh'd to linux

mounted the windows drive

used curl to upload it to some shell upload service

downloaded it on a library computer

and then printed it at school

[weak lodge]

windows with bash

[compact sedge]

dir- small brain
cd- big brain
using popd and pushd - bigger brain
just typing the path and having it automatically change to that folder - biggest brain

[copper nacelle]

fzf galaxy brain

[compact sedge]

(seriously tho when I think about popd and pushd I know my life has become crazy disorganized)

[weak lodge]

are all of these frameworks idongedid

[compact sedge]

popd and pushd are commands for navigating around different folders in your computer quickly

they're in dos/windows too

apparently

[weak lodge]

and the reason 56 said hed prefer a mac is because bash

confused

[copper nacelle]

not bash specifically

[compact sedge]

it's not exclusively mac that has bash

[copper nacelle]

but like cli

[compact sedge]

I'm using bash rn and I'm on arch linux

[copper nacelle]

for one

i like mac virtual desktops so much more than windows virtual desktops

package management on mac is better

in my imo

[compact sedge]

everything you're saying rn 56 is why I prefer Linux to Windows

[weak lodge]

and hackentoshing negates your restriction from modding your rig?

[copper nacelle]

Yeah

[weak lodge]

pensive

i get it

sigh myself before jngo does

[copper nacelle]

But hackintoshing is obviously unsupported by apple

[fair rampart]

Im not saleh

[compact sedge]

I guess the question is, given that it seems to be overall worse for gaming, why mac over linux 56?

[copper nacelle]

I'm saying if I wasn't using linux

[compact sedge]

ahhhh

[copper nacelle]

:maggotPrime:

[compact sedge]

same tbh

[weak lodge]

i have respect for linux though i dont use it

sigh

[compact sedge]

Linux > Mac > Windows

imo

of the 3

[copper nacelle]

reactos i ascend

[compact sedge]

I'm not sure where chromebooks would go in those? If it's true they can run native desktop linux apps probably between mac and windows

if that's not true

then

below windows

[copper nacelle]

you can run stuff but you need crouton

[compact sedge]

Nah I heard google was supporting running stuff without crouton

[copper nacelle]

Pog

[fair rampart]

It's useful to learn windows though since most of the drones in the industry use it

[copper nacelle]

win+x

wow i'm done

[compact sedge]

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3314739/how-to-use-linux-apps-on-chrome-os.html

god that's a creepy photo

[copper nacelle]

yote skote

[fair rampart]

It is a creepy

[compact sedge]

this is hella pog tho

[copper nacelle]

that's actually sick

[weak lodge]

also side note do virtual machines have any lag issues

[trim totem]

compact mode 🤢

[compact sedge]

you

vms tend to have lag because they tend to not have good or proper gpu drivers

[copper nacelle]

Sorry I like to see more than 3 messages on screen at once

[compact sedge]

cpu wise they're p much identical performance wise

[trim totem]

how do you feel about not seeing your cat every time you write a message 56

[weak lodge]

so its more gpu issues

ech

[copper nacelle]

i feel fine because i can go pet my cat by walking up the stairs

[compact sedge]

I'd recommend if you wanna try out linux make a bootable usb stick of like, manjaro or something and just boot into the stick

you don't need to install anything

[copper nacelle]

make a bootable usb stick of bspwm nix os

[fair rampart]

Ubuntu LiveCD

[copper nacelle]

i actually have one of those

[compact sedge]

where's my :stress: emote

[copper nacelle]

not the ubuntu livecd

the bspwm nix os disk

it is a good disk

[fair rampart]

Ubuntu

LiveCD

[compact sedge]

oh it's called milliS

[trim totem]

is pale champion done yet

[compact sedge]

ok knightmere's def gonna think linux is too hard if you start him out on that tho

tiling window manager and nix os

[copper nacelle]

tiling 😍

[compact sedge]

like heck, might as well just give em gentoo at that point

[copper nacelle]

nix os isn't that bad

[fair rampart]

Start him off with Elementary

[copper nacelle]

xxxxxxxx

apt 🤢

[weak lodge]

nothing makes sense sigh

[copper nacelle]

i would like to install one package before i die

[compact sedge]

I have no idea what you are talking about knightmere

[weak lodge]

me neither

[fair rampart]

any GUI

[compact sedge]

If you can't use this program you probably also can't use windows explorer which looks basically the same.

[copper nacelle]

why is bug.n so bad

[compact sedge]

anyway @weak lodge I'ma just say you have no right to look at linux like mount Everest and people who use it like himalayan monks until you give it a shot.

[copper nacelle]

hi a just say you have no right to look at linux like mount Everest and people who use it like himalayan monks until you give it a shot.

[compact sedge]

hi scenic

[weak lodge]

too bad too much effort for me to install

too much effort is more than 10 clicks

[copper nacelle]

there are a lot of good complaints you could have made but that is not one of them

[weak lodge]

you see

im lazier than you are

[copper nacelle]

no

[weak lodge]

yes

tf

no

its too much effort

[compact sedge]

no, knightmere doesn't play any video games if they take more than 10 button inputs total to beat

[weak lodge]

yes

because that doesnt bore me

[compact sedge]

you know what bores me

waiting for updates

oh wait I never have to do that

[weak lodge]

cool try to convince me you wont

sigh

[copper nacelle]

any vm

[fair rampart]

I will off myself right here and now if you do

Your choice Knightmere

[compact sedge]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 80%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by installing linux.

[weak lodge]

i will off myself either way

[copper nacelle]

I will off myself regardless

wow you stole my line

😠

[weak lodge]

😠

[compact sedge]

I love you camilla

[copper nacelle]

ok

[fair rampart]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 0%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by not using a computer.

oh no

[copper nacelle]

I appear to have killed him

Wtf

[compact sedge]

this is so sad can we get knightmere to download linux

[dusky lion]

why are there 2

[copper nacelle]

[dusky lion]

what did you do

[copper nacelle]

truly beautiful

[dusty cliff]

Two servers with the same emoji name, probably.

[compact sedge]

ok ima go actually do real productive homework I think

also

the secret is

@mortal trout has nitro

they uploaded the emote to their own server

gave it the same name

[dusty cliff]

Told ya.

[compact sedge]

there, just ruined it for everyone

[mortal trout]

angle big brain

[copper nacelle]

yeah no shit

it is just funny

i am in a server with like 40 (s)

[zinc berry]

post them then

[copper nacelle]

i don't have nitro

you're literally in it

[zinc berry]

unfortunate

[dusty cliff]

That'll be useful if you ever need to react to someone with five thousand maggots.

[copper nacelle]

i have done so

[weak lodge]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 0%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by not doing anything cause you are fine right now and do not care about what operating system he is currently running at the moment but will take into consideration of the possibility he may want to try out Arch Linux™ as an alternate OS, in which you claim is superior and, i do not doubt the possibility of it being much better than my current OS, so the verdict must be that i thank you for the offer, i will not pick up on it at the current moment

[fair rampart]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 0%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by not doing anything cause you are fine right now and do not care about what operating system he is currently running at the moment but will take into consideration of the possibility me may want to try out Arch Linux™ as an alternate OS, in which you claim is superior and, i do not doubt the possibility of it being much better than my current OS, so the verdict must be that i thank you for the offer, i will not pick up on it at the current moment

[mortal trout]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 0%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by not doing anything cause you are fine right now and do not care about what operating system he is currently running at the moment but will take into consideration of the possibility me may want to try out Arch Linux™ as an alternate OS, in which you claim is superior and, i do not doubt the possibility of it being much better than my current OS, so the verdict must be that i thank you for the offer, i will not pick up on it at the current moment

[copper nacelle]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 0%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by not doing anything cause you are fine right now and do not care about what operating system he is currently running at the moment but will take into consideration of the possibility me may want to try out Arch Linux™ as an alternate OS, in which you claim is superior and, i do not doubt the possibility of it being much better than my current OS, so the verdict must be that i thank you for the offer, i will not pick up on it at the current moment

[dusky lion]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 0%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by not doing anything cause you are fine right now and do not care about what operating system he is currently running at the moment but will take into consideration of the possibility me may want to try out Arch Linux™ as an alternate OS, in which you claim is superior and, i do not doubt the possibility of it being much better than my current OS, so the verdict must be that i thank you for the offer, i will not pick up on it at the current moment

[civic hare]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes. multiply it by 0%. Add it all up. That's how much time you would save by not doing anything cause you are fine right now and do not care about what operating system he is currently running at the moment but will take into consideration of the possibility me may want to try out Arch Linux™ as an alternate OS, in which you claim is superior and, i do not doubt the possibility of it being much better than my current OS, so the verdict must be that i thank you for the offer, i will not pick up on it at the current moment

[dusky lion]

thetimesink summit choke

[ornate rivet]

knightmere, every time you turn on your pc, record the amount of time it takes, multiply it by 27.120% Add it all up and be glad that you didn't spend the factorial of that amount installing an operating system you have no need for.

[fair rampart]

Using the mod installer to get to the mod manager on mac os x do you need to get there using terminal each time?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[fair rampart]

oh

ok

thanks

[copper nacelle]

it's just mono --arch=32 ~/Downloads/ModInstaller.exe

provided your path doesn't suck

[weak lodge]

https://youtu.be/FFXnCESFDLU

[fair rampart]

Thanks

[copper nacelle]

i could probably just put it in a .app

[dusky lion]

interesting

the elusive collection of typos discord

[compact sedge]

I love the messed up grammar in that copypasta

[floral furnace]

the hell did this come from this time

[ornate rivet]

it comes from the heart

[floral furnace]

I see

[jovial vault]

yall have hearts?

[brazen mortar]

Yeah mines in my liver

[copper nacelle]

any apostrophe

[jovial vault]

mola you mean its in lore

[copper nacelle]

any apostrophe

[jovial vault]

,

[copper nacelle]

that ain't it

[jovial vault]

‘ oh its this

english who

[copper nacelle]

ngl that's gonna be a massive think from me

[jovial vault]

Listen its 8am and my brain hasnt started functioning properly yet

[hollow hearth]

[bronze ivy]

Just use brain lmao

[weak lodge]

just use

[solemn rivet]

using brains

what is this, 1965?

[jovial vault]

No, 1969

[solemn rivet]

42069 tbf

[weak lodge]

sigh

[floral furnace]

pensive if true

[hollow hearth]

😔

[charred parrot]

lel Brains

[hexed birch]

Hey is there any mod to add checkpoints to the fifth pantheon?

[ornate rivet]

no

and there will never be

[hexed birch]

Im just tired of doing the first dozen bosses

its just tedious

[ornate rivet]

hall of gods exists

[solemn rivet]

or you can use debug to cheat

[unborn flicker]

something something you cheated not only the game but yourself

ironically, of course

[hexed birch]

I've done the 20 bosses to death, though, they're not a challenge, theyre just padding

I'd much rather prefer skipping to the parts I find difficult rather than wasting time whacking moss guy

it's 20 minutes of great fun stacked with 30 minutes of dross

is there any mod that any help me in this regard

I'd honestly be fine without checkpoints, but is there a mod to just to take out the really easy bosses

[solemn rivet]

debug, like I said

[hexed birch]

how do I do that?

[solemn rivet]

just install the mod

it can grant you invincibility, etc.

use it to skip the first few bosses

[hexed birch]

grand, thank you

[mossy holly]

So does anyone have a mod in which you swing downward by default when in the air?

[cunning lagoon]

no

[solemn rivet]

why

[iron crown]

yeah it's called having a macro perpetually hold whatever your down key is

[solemn rivet]

but

why

this is even worse than having dashmaster always on and always downdashing

[iron crown]

because they're obviously too good at hk and want to find a way to change the gameplay experience

[hollow pier]

bro use ur finger

[iron crown]

they aren't just terrible at pogo timing or anything

[mossy holly]

Excuse me for wanting to pogo easier

[iron crown]

there is another way to pogo easier

so basically you press the down button and the attack button at the same time

[fair rampart]

No need to be a smartass, he was just asking a legitimate question.

[hollow pier]

you can literally just hold down and do everything else the same unless you have dm or want to airstall with vs or wraiths

[fair rampart]

Besides, similar metroidvanias like Shovel Knight do that automatically. It might just be a learning experience.

[mossy holly]

Yeah I wanted to know if there was a way to pogo easier. I know how to pogo, I just suck at it and wanted to see a more simple way

Jeez

[solemn rivet]

I get the point but

[cunning lagoon]

similar metroidvanias like shovel knight

[solemn rivet]

also, that

but

[hollow pier]

tape your analog stick down or the dpad down or something

[solemn rivet]

would you really prefer being able to pogo easier instead of being able to hit enemies on the air?

[hollow pier]

use ahk for keyboard

[iron crown]

It would be useful for like white palace but that's it

[mossy holly]

Taping down the d pad actually doesnt sound like a bad idea

[hollow hearth]

It does

[mossy holly]

Just gonna not have dash master on

[hollow hearth]

Pensive

[weary oyster]

everyones favourite metroidvania shovel knight

[iron crown]

Tbh just use keyboard so you literally can't deal with the analogue stick

[cunning lagoon]

✅

[solemn rivet]

turns out my wild guess about dashmaster was on point

[fair rampart]

Dashmaster, along with Lifeblood Heart, were my two most-used charms on my first playthrough.

I thought they were S-tier.

[cunning lagoon]

dashmaster is s tier

[unborn flicker]

Lifeblood Heart is S tier cmm

Wait LBC exists, but it's still at least A tier

[weak lodge]

sprintmaster at least a tier cmm

[unborn flicker]

Yikes. I had forgotten that there's a one-way wall right outside the KP transition

I don't want to even think about how many other things I overlooked

It's like, every so often I'll be playing the game and then I'll think: "I bet I fucked this room up too"

[ornate rivet]

why

I am so confused

nvm I am literally dungo

[copper nacelle]

[dawn oxide]

so ill ask this again
how does one start modding?
and not downloading mods but making mods

ive got the installer already

[copper nacelle]

visual studio community

.net 3.5

;examplemods

thank you zote

dnSpy

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=21
https://radiance.host/apidocs/
https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods/

[weak lodge]

https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy
also understanding of the basic c# syntax helps (but not needed since 56 can effectively handhold you through the entire thing)

[copper nacelle]

/releases

In visual studio you want to create a new solution with a class library (.net)

Add a reference (right click references => add reference => hit browse) to Assembly-CSharp.dll

You'll probably also want a reference to UnityEngine.dll, UnityEngine.CoreModule.dll, and Playmaker.dll

In the new solution there will be a project

Go to project settings and set it to .net 3.5

add using Modding; to the top of Class1.css

Rename the class

add : Mod after the name to inherit from mod

make a public override void Initialize {} to set up init for the mod

In there you'll want to hook ModHooks (see the API docs for details on each hook)

You can also use On. Hooks which use monomod runtime detours to hook any method

😍

[weak lodge]

yeet on em kiddo

[copper nacelle]

got em

If you have any questions you can ask here

You can also just change the code of an example mod instead of making your own solution if you find that easier

[cunning lagoon]

hello i have one question

how do i add checkpoints to pantheons

[copper nacelle]

unexist

[unborn badger]

hello i have one question

[copper nacelle]

Like 99.9 percent of the mods are on GitHub if you want to see the code for any

[unborn badger]

is debug mod updated to godmaster yet

[fair rampart]

scills

[copper nacelle]

unexist

[fair rampart]

I wish

[copper nacelle]

Same

[weak lodge]

hello i have one question

can u guys add this in the game?

[copper nacelle]

goodbye

[weak lodge]

ily

die

shit that was for me

thats a big monkahmm from me

[fair rampart]

how many people have asked for modders to make silksong before silksong comes out?

[cunning lagoon]

too many

[fair rampart]

I do get where they're coming from, I guess

people see mods do insane things in other games and assume it applies to all of them

[leaden hedge]

It'd probably be a 20m job if this game wasn't coded like shit

[fair rampart]

LOL

I take it you have had bad experiences.

[solemn rivet]

he's not wrong tho

we would have so many other mods at this point it's not even funny

and all of them better quality too

[fair rampart]

I do enjoy Exaltation but boy does it break things if you're not careful with it.

[unborn orbit]

Is the game really coded like shit, or is it more that it's just not optimal for modding? Cuz saying "coded like shit" is very broad

[fair rampart]

I've done some basic things when toying around with making mods but there's very little good information.

[solemn rivet]

it's coded like shit

and "obscured" unintentionally

esther, have you used dnspy to take a peek at the game's code yet?

[fair rampart]

I would have guessed it was coded well, it runs great on even my cruddy thinkpad.

I've taken a cursory look but I don't think I have the know-how to read much of it.

[solemn rivet]

aside from poor coding (which I really cannot judge, cause I'm no expert at these things), most of the code is hidden

so aside from basic knight controllers and game manager, basically everything else you cannot access directly

even simple things like charms

[fair rampart]

I have to wonder why that is.

[solemn rivet]

because they used playmaker fsm

;spaghetti

[fair rampart]

Is that a bad piece of software?

[solemn rivet]

it should be a command tbh

who has that THK FSM picture?

[cunning lagoon]

#297468195026239489 piuns

pins

[solemn rivet]

oh

ty

[fair rampart]

I'll have to look, I have meme channels muted generally.

[solemn rivet]

u lie

[cunning lagoon]

same

[fair rampart]

Most of them are low quality.

[solemn rivet]

u sure kuro? Only like 5 pins are showing for me, and none of them are pictures

[cunning lagoon]

oh they unpinned everything

ffs

[fair rampart]

I assume it's a lot of intertwined janky things?

[solemn rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/494544243147276288/The_Hollow_Knight.png

[solemn rivet]

found it

[fair rampart]

Oh.

Oh dear.

[solemn rivet]

that's THK

it's not that FSM is a bad piece of software

oh, hey nes

[dark wigeon]

Someone should make a 2.0 with dark theme and 4k

[solemn rivet]

I think someone has

but I can't be bothered

[fair rampart]

So how can I even access information in that?

[solemn rivet]

well

you need to bother people so they send it to you

or you can dump them yourself during runtime

then

you can use a very nifty tool made by the man, the myth, the legend - nes himself - to view the fsm with a nice ui

[cunning lagoon]

actually i made it

[fair rampart]

My first ideas are all charm changes but I think everyone and their mom has done a charm balancing mod by now.

[cunning lagoon]

if you enjoy my product you can subscribe to me at twitch.tv/seanpr

[leaden hedge]

Just so you know this game definitely wouldn't have run on anything on an old patch

[solemn rivet]

pre-lifeblood

[hollow pier]

kdt any way to disable wasd chapter select movement in celeste

celeste man

[leaden hedge]

They actually had to reprogram the game because, a few entities in a 2d game with minimal hitboxes, ran at sub60fps on switch

Disable your wasd keys

[hollow pier]

😔

[leaden hedge]

You could do it with a mod

[hollow pier]

unfortunate

[dark wigeon]

I'm not sure which I prefer

[weak lodge]

sigh

[weak lodge]

hello

i have one question about modding

https://clips.twitch.tv/AstuteLitigiousKathyDendiFace

[ornate rivet]

didn't think 56 was a robot

[fair rampart]

Is there already a mod out there to remove the black vignette when you hit one mask?

[copper nacelle]

no

[rain cedar]

hi yusuf

[weak lodge]

hi yusuf

[solemn rivet]

esther: you can find it

I think you can find it by listing the hierarchy of the knight

not sure

[fair rampart]

I understood some of those words.

[cunning lagoon]

bom trabalho!

[solemn rivet]

buen trabajo!

[hollow pier]

travalho

[weak lodge]

bebé trabajador!

[cunning lagoon]

trabalho

[fair rampart]

patamas geo?

[hollow pier]

i thought it was travalho

have my br friends lied to me

[cunning lagoon]

they may have

[solemn rivet]

wut

[cunning lagoon]

let's ask a trustworthy br friend

[hollow pier]

gradaddy

[cunning lagoon]

@solemn rivet trabalho vs travalho

[solemn rivet]

who tf writes travalho

[hollow pier]

wtf

unfriending all br friends

now gradow is my only br friend

[cunning lagoon]

😍

[weak lodge]

😻

[solemn rivet]

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabalho_(economia)

[hazy sentinel]

this is just spanish but drunker

[cunning lagoon]

correct

or should i say

correcto

[solemn rivet]

I like to think of it the other way around

but suit yourself

[cunning lagoon]

não

[solemn rivet]

also

correto

no c

[cunning lagoon]

but it's correcto in spanish

[solemn rivet]

truth be told, french is just any language but drunker

[cunning lagoon]

oui oui

[weak lodge]

tres bon

foutre

[odd dome]

I don't speak baguette

[weak lodge]

si vous ne comprenez pas le francais alors il y a cette chose appelee google

[solemn rivet]

I'm sorry, what did you just say about kuro's mum?

[odd dome]

haha what

[weak lodge]

elle est chaude

[solemn rivet]

savage

[weak lodge]

inb4 gradow pings dee ell koo rosh

[odd dome]

[fair rampart]

blank stare

[weak lodge]

tu es mort

[solemn rivet]

don't kill me papa

[weak lodge]

ay

[fair rampart]

So how might I dump this hierarchy for the night to check screen overlays?

[charred parrot]

actual modding talk in modding?

[solemn rivet]

oh right

[weak lodge]

nice one

[solemn rivet]

do you have ModCommon referenced?

if no, add it

then get an object

and do... I think it was go.PrintSceneHierarchyTree("objectName.txt");

[ornate rivet]

you don't need the parameter

[solemn rivet]

which one?

[ornate rivet]

"objectName.txt"

[solemn rivet]

oh?

then it defaults to the go.name?

[ornate rivet]

yes

[fair rampart]

So this will, presumably, work?

GameObject knight
if(knight == null) // called every update until it's assigned
{
    knight = GameObject.Find("Knight");
}
else
{
    knight.printSceneHierarchyTree() // not listed: something to make this only run once
}

I don't entirely know what or which object to find.

[copper nacelle]

any HeroController.instance.gameObject

[solemn rivet]

^

[ornate rivet]

wtf how are you streaming and typing here

[cunning lagoon]

hi yusuf

[solemn rivet]

wait

56 streaming

eww HK

who even plays that game anymore

[cunning lagoon]

agreed

[ornate rivet]

is this 56 asmr

[fair rampart]

And where is this scene dump saved?

[copper nacelle]

Mods

[ornate rivet]

the mods folder

ha

[copper nacelle]

_ _

[ornate rivet]

wtf

[fair rampart]

I'll assume the lagspike means it worked.

[ornate rivet]

yes

[fair rampart]

Wowie, that's a lot of lines.

[ornate rivet]

yes

[fair rampart]

I have no idea how to read this.

[solemn rivet]

yes

[copper nacelle]

with your eyes

[solemn rivet]

welcome to HK modding

[fair rampart]

But I will figure it out!

[solemn rivet]

try looking for keywords

like vignette

or camera

or some shit

[fair rampart]

Only "fury vignette"

Which appears to only be referenced once.

[solemn rivet]

hmmm

"damage"?

[fair rampart]

There's a StateName section on Damaged.

[solemn rivet]

welcome to fsms

[fair rampart]

There's a sending of event HERO DAMAGED to HUD Canvas, that's a step up.

[solemn rivet]

now you've gotta find hud canvas

[fair rampart]

I found the effects for being damaged, but it seems to only control the glass crack and particle spray.

[solemn rivet]

which one are you looking for again?

[fair rampart]

The black overlay that appears on the edges of the screen when you drop to 1 mask.

I find it really disruptive.

[solemn rivet]

try looking for "critical" or "one hp"

[fair rampart]

Hmmh

\----PFSM ---- ActivateGameObject (GameObject) = low health hit effect

That might just be the special particles when you drop t 1

[solemn rivet]

dunno

might be, might not be

only one way to find out

[fair rampart]

This is buried deep.

[copper nacelle]

like everything else

[solemn rivet]

this is only layer 1 my dude

[copper nacelle]

pretty sure the fireball prefab has prefabs which have prefabs

i remember taco complaining about it

[solemn rivet]

firebal1 is a public prefab under HeroController

[copper nacelle]

yes

🤔

[fair rampart]

I think I'll give this some time, I'm not even beginning to grasp it.

I do not think this game's code was intended for much modding!

[young walrus]

Just use debug and have infinite hp

Never drop to 1

[solemn rivet]

not at all, Esther

[young walrus]

Never get the black border

[solemn rivet]

I'm pretty sure they even resent us some times

[copper nacelle]

hmmm

i really do wonder what it is

[solemn rivet]

Knight?

[copper nacelle]

It's not parented to anything

Afaik

[fair rampart]

It just... exists?

[copper nacelle]

Yes

[solemn rivet]

even worse

[copper nacelle]

sometimes it be like that

[fair rampart]

Dear oh dear

[solemn rivet]

grab that fsm editor, esther

[fair rampart]

So I just find a gameobject of that type?

[solemn rivet]

yeah

[copper nacelle]

UnityEngine.Object.Destroy(GameObject.Find("Low Health Vignette").LocateMyFSM("Vignette Control"))

[fair rampart]

I was thinking I'd probably keep it but disable it, given that that might cause Silly Things to just destroy it

Or would it not?

[copper nacelle]

But you're destroying it

[solemn rivet]

that's what he's doing

[fair rampart]

Would I run that once, or on updates?

[copper nacelle]

Either on game load or on scene load

Probably game load

*save load

[fair rampart]

What's this fsm browser you were mentioning?

[copper nacelle]

7th pin

[fair rampart]

Thank you kindly.

[brazen mortar]

whats the geo cap?

[solemn rivet]

a bunch o 9s

[brazen mortar]

like how many 9s

[solemn rivet]

like

a lot

[brazen mortar]

define a lot

[solemn rivet]

at least 1

[brazen mortar]

thanks

[fair rampart]

lot
/lät/
pronoun informal
pronoun: lot; pronoun: lots

1.
a large number or amount; a great deal.
"there are a lot of actors in the cast"
synonyms:    a large amount, a fair amount, a good/great deal, a deal, a great quantity, quantities, an abundance, a wealth, a profusion, plenty, masses; many, a great many, a large number, a considerable number, numerous, scores, hundreds, thousands, millions, billions;
informalloads, loadsa, heaps, a pile, piles, oodles, stacks, scads, reams, wads, pots, oceans, a mountain, mountains, miles, tons, zillions, gazillions, more … than one can shake a stick at;
informala shedload, lashings;
informalgobs, a bunch, gazillions, bazillions;
informala swag;
vulgar slanga shitload;
vulgar slangan assload
"he had obviously spent a lot of money"

[solemn rivet]

ok

let me change that

[copper nacelle]

9999999

[solemn rivet]

at least 2

[brazen mortar]

thanks 56

<3

[young walrus]

can't you have more than that tho?

and it'll only display 9999999

[copper nacelle]

no

[jovial vault]

Unfortunate

I am a capitalist 56 i need more 9s

[floral furnace]

56 would u make it Int.Max

[young walrus]

5000 colo2 runs to max it out vanilla

nice

[copper nacelle]

make it ulong

[floral furnace]

u

[copper nacelle]

9999999 geo i sleep

[solemn rivet]

oolong?

[copper nacelle]

2147483647 i sleep

4294967295 i sleep

9223372036854775807 i sleep

18446744073709551615 i awaken

[brazen mortar]

whats 4294967295?

[copper nacelle]

uint max

[solemn rivet]

420 geo I awaken

[brazen mortar]

or any of the last two

[copper nacelle]

int max, uint max, long max, ulong max

[fair rampart]

65535 I ascend

[brazen mortar]

ulong

[solemn rivet]

what about oolong

[young walrus]

5000 colo2 runs, at 5 min each

[floral furnace]

my first playthrough has a bunch of screen shots of my geo counter being 420 and 1337

[young walrus]

416 hrs

17.36 days straight

to get to max geo

[floral furnace]

is this a new category

[solemn rivet]

9999999 geo%

[brazen mortar]

i wonder if verulean has any more time to burn

[floral furnace]

@ veru

[solemn rivet]

well

[fair rampart]

30 hours of failed tramway

[solemn rivet]

using relic dupe it's pretty ez

[floral furnace]

what category was that tram way again?

[copper nacelle]

deepnest?

[solemn rivet]

is deepnest a category

[floral furnace]

that one where veru took 30 hours on grinding, i forgot what category was it, i think it was low%?

[copper nacelle]

low% nsoob

[solemn rivet]

low%

[floral furnace]

i c

nsoob?

[solemn rivet]

nsoob

[copper nacelle]

now low% nldg

[floral furnace]

im guessing oob is out of bounds no idea the others are

fucking accronyms

~~acridnyms ~~

[copper nacelle]

no load dependent glitches

[floral furnace]

i c^2

[solemn rivet]

someone do 9999999% nmg

[floral furnace]

ill pay you 5 dollars to do it gradow

[solemn rivet]

no ty

I'm already filthy

and rich

but not filthy rich, sadly

[floral furnace]

not even 7 dollars hmmm??!??

[solemn rivet]

consider it done

[floral furnace]

nice

[fair rampart]

I'll take you 1 million dollars to do it

Nice

[floral furnace]

jngo ill pay you nothing to do it will you do it

[solemn rivet]

deflated

the best currency

[fair rampart]

yes

On the condition that you kill me beforehand

[floral furnace]

its a deal then

56 u are the god of optimization right which of the 3 is the fastest loop

foreach not included

[copper nacelle]

of which 3

[floral furnace]

make it two actually, while and for

[copper nacelle]

depends on the condition

[floral furnace]

simply just need to loop a single statement x times

[copper nacelle]

given the same conditions it's the same il iirc

[floral furnace]

h ill go for loop instead then

[copper nacelle]

now i have to check

what language

[solemn rivet]

english pls

[floral furnace]

c#

dunno why im making a big deal with this is literally probably maybe just 0.00000000000023 second difference, thats like 0.00000000023^9999999999999999 infinity of silksongs release date

[floral furnace]

i cant read IL so whats the consensus

[rain cedar]

The first one is a decrementing loop and the second is incrementing

It's not just a difference of for/while so idk

First one should be marginally faster I think

[copper nacelle]

i fixed it

it is too big

[rain cedar]

yeah we know your pp is big

[copper nacelle]

https://pastebin.com/C10qmMpg

same il

i think

1 nop

[rain cedar]

2

Which one is which?

[copper nacelle]

for is M

while is J

[rain cedar]

Ok I think I get the nops then

It's for breakpoints since the while is multiple lines

@floral furnace for loop should be very very marginally more efficient

[copper nacelle]

time to check the asm

[floral furnace]

ok ok thanks

[copper nacelle]

the asm keeps the nops

unfortunate

[floral furnace]

btw how did you know the first one was a decrement loop

[copper nacelle]

cgt

sub

[rain cedar]

It's weird that that one used dup but not any of the incrementing loops

[copper nacelle]

If anyone was curious about c++

square is for, square2 is while

[warped sinew]

any new mods on the horizon?

I need something new bois

[copper nacelle]

oh wait don't look at that i was using unset vars

fixed

same asm now

[charred parrot]

ya man most advanced mod coming your way

[copper nacelle]

literally exactly the same

[solemn rivet]

when is graig knight 2 coming out

[young walrus]

when room rando coming out

[solemn rivet]

oh yeah, there's that graig

56 is being forced into slave labor doing it voluntarily for us

[charred parrot]

doing what?

[solemn rivet]

room rando

[young walrus]

doing what?

[copper nacelle]

room rando

[solemn rivet]

he confirmed it

it's canon then

56 is the new JK Rowling

[copper nacelle]

i literally streamed doing stuff for it

[solemn rivet]

o

I thought you were streaming HK

you just lost a sub m8

[copper nacelle]

today i was, yes

[solemn rivet]

also

I sleep

[copper nacelle]

gn

[solemn rivet]

gn

[charred parrot]

room rando? like the connections?

what room leads to what?

[unborn flicker]

Yes, there is logic for every transition between rooms

There is also logic for only transitions between areas

However, there is no code 😔

[copper nacelle]

hey

there is some code

😠

[unborn flicker]

[copper nacelle]

constantly randomized room rando would suck right

[unborn flicker]

Mid run? That seems awful

[copper nacelle]

yes

[unborn flicker]

literally walking in and out until you get item rooms and win

[jovial vault]

56 streaming wow

[copper nacelle]

i could generate room rando's map as you go

like if you went back it would stay the same

and different transitions would be different

but that also seems garbage

[rain cedar]

It needs to be seeded for races to work

[unborn flicker]

^

[rain cedar]

Beyond that do whatever implementation you want

I'm sure you could make it work with choosing as you go but that sounds worse

[unborn flicker]

Also that seems somewhat incompatible with adding items later

[rain cedar]

And like more work

[charred parrot]

another week another garbage c programming assignment

[unborn flicker]

So, I guess one way to implement it would be:

1. Check for all unused rooms where transition B is accessible from transition A
2. Choose one, and attach A to the current tree
3. Loop until all progression is acquired/all multi entrance rooms are attached
4. Attach single entrance rooms and connect unused transitions
   Does that work, or is there another problem?

I'm just curious, honestly

Hmmm, I guess there's kinda an issue where most item rooms are single entrance, but that seems pretty rectifiable

[copper nacelle]

seems fine to me

You could just check that single entrance rooms don't get attached when there's only one transition open on the tree

unless it's the last single entrance room ofc

[unborn flicker]

True, you don't want to end up with all single entrance rooms at maximum depth either

and there are some transitions you have to treat as single entrance, because they're cut off from the rest of the room (like that one claw-blocked KE journal)

but those are edge cases, really

there are enough 5/6 entrance rooms that you should never end up in a corner

[unborn flicker]

In hindsight, there really is no reason for the algorithm to be aware of the rooms. You could just as easily:
-Pick an accessible unused transition A', and a pair of inaccessible transitions (A, B) such that B is accessible from A, and attach A to A'

Sorry for the spam, I was just reading about objectless categories earlier, and this reminded me of that

[copper nacelle]

spam

i don't think this qualifies as spam in any way shape or form

[unborn flicker]

fair lol

[trim totem]

it's spam if it's not completely unrelated to modding

is this room randomizer

[jovial vault]

modding being used for modding, wild

[trim totem]

I'm looking forward to it

[brazen mortar]

wait so youre telling me all this time copypastas were illegal?

shoot

[copper nacelle]

🔫

[brazen mortar]

where do we send all these copypastas then if not modding?

[copper nacelle]

#hk-lore

[brazen mortar]

tsk tsk

[young walrus]

The wiki

[warped sinew]

Is room rando a good idea tho??

[copper nacelle]

yes

[warped sinew]

Won't it just break everything

[copper nacelle]

no

[warped sinew]

I don't believe you 😂

[copper nacelle]

u

https://streamable.com/x8qdm

this is without the logic

homothety wrote a ton of logic so you can't softlock

[dusky lion]

nice job getting hit by the stompers 4head

[copper nacelle]

thanks

[dusky lion]

you're welcome

[buoyant obsidian]

that looks fun as hell

[copper nacelle]

exactly

[warped sinew]

Can you randomly tele into NKG/radiance etc

Cos that would be amazing

[dusky lion]

u look fun as hell

[copper nacelle]

rn yes but you shouldn't be able to

teleing into dream scenes doesn't work well

the screen just stays black

[warped sinew]

Pop works tho right?

Lol

[copper nacelle]

should

[warped sinew]

Does it Radom every time or is the world linked?

[copper nacelle]

the world will be linked

[warped sinew]

Like going back in a door

[charred parrot]

well I mean

[copper nacelle]

that video is just random

because that is a shitty beta

[charred parrot]

code wise it shouldnt be too hard

the issue really is getting stuck due to upgrades

[warped sinew]

Shitty betas are where I spend most of my time :(

[charred parrot]

going to a random room on every transition would be a nightmare

just random connections set when you first load a new save

[copper nacelle]

any

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l1BbXS3BCmuyfqUjKzc_XBNXRmnMvYo7n-kiQzeoApU/edit#gid=1641598619

[warped sinew]

It would be like the movie cube

[charred parrot]

what the hell

[copper nacelle]

homothety is a god

[charred parrot]

are you organizing every room to see what connections you can make

[copper nacelle]

requirements for transition => transition

[unborn flicker]

[charred parrot]

aka, do you have dash? Yes? This room is added to the pool. No? Not added.

Stuff like that?

[copper nacelle]

what

[charred parrot]

I think there's something like 450ish individual scenes in HK

[unborn flicker]

No, rooms are not restricted by current abilities

That would be boring, and difficult to work

[copper nacelle]

that would be bad

[charred parrot]

couldnt you get stuck

potentially

[unborn flicker]

You can already get stuck in randomizer

That's an expectation, mitigated by familiarity with game

[charred parrot]

fair enough, people using that mod would understand they could get stuck

[copper nacelle]

i mean you can't lock yourself anywhere bad

[mossy pike]

The randomizer only needs to make sure you can access every upgrade from your beginning point

[copper nacelle]

that is the point of the room rando logic

[unborn flicker]

In the past, we discussed adding a benchwarp feature to help room rando be better connected

[copper nacelle]

so you can have it not be infinite death

[unborn flicker]

Since room rando paths are not generally reversible as well

[mossy pike]

And to make sure every transition is actually linked to the world map and there's no inaccessible transition loop or something like that

[brazen mortar]

will the area namecards be removed?

like youre switching between a lot of areas

[unborn flicker]

that is perhaps not the most pressing dev issue at the moment

[brazen mortar]

wont those names keep popping up

hmpf

well its not pressing but it still seems a bit annoying

[copper nacelle]

pretty sure it's only at the entrance

see: dgate

[mossy pike]

Aren't the namecards something which is permanently turned off in the save file once you entered the first time?

[brazen mortar]

this is the entrance to QG?

[copper nacelle]

yes

that is not the namecard

[mossy pike]

Oh you mean that namecard

[brazen mortar]

if thats not a namecard what is it

[copper nacelle]

the big one

[brazen mortar]

alhflahe&t

theyre still both namecards

[copper nacelle]

ok

[young walrus]

just leave the big namecard up always

ez

[brazen mortar]

just cause one is small doesnt mean it aint a namecard

[young walrus]

like a penis

[brazen mortar]

leave both namecards up why not

[young walrus]

[copper nacelle]

why

[brazen mortar]

this

is disturbing

[young walrus]

[brazen mortar]

oi ye feccing cant stop doin it whatever it is yer doin

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, wow I can't believe I apologized for spamming this channel with theory earlier

[copper nacelle]

😔

[mossy pike]

Apologizing

[young walrus]

I forgive you

[brazen mortar]

god forgives you too

[copper nacelle]

for generating the rooms you'd have a fake player thing right

[young walrus]

Don't call my player thing fake

[mossy pike]

Sorry 56, there is no actual modder here, only memers

[young walrus]

Yeah, including 56

[unborn flicker]

@ s e a n p r

[brazen mortar]

are you calling them out as a memer too?

[copper nacelle]

same

[young walrus]

Same

[rain cedar]

u

[young walrus]

Suf

[copper nacelle]

thanks i hate it

[mossy pike]

Any requirement, or...

[copper nacelle]

Transitions would have like a Dict of entered transition => requirements right

[mossy pike]

The layout wouldn't be figured out before even entering a transition? (From what i understand of your question)

[copper nacelle]

no it would

for making the layout

😍

[charred parrot]

who wants to do my c assignment

[copper nacelle]

you

[charred parrot]

false statement

[floral furnace]

real shit mickellewd is a high quality emoji

[primal drift]

A mod where Stalwart Shell gives you 10 minutes of invincibility

But costs all your charms

And your nail damage is set to 1

Regardless of your nail level

[rain cedar]

ok

That is incorrect, I'm on my phone

[floral furnace]

unfortunate

[rain cedar]

A mod where the knight has a gun

But it overheats

[floral furnace]

🤔

[rain cedar]

Is that not a mechanic in the thing?

I remember it being a thing but it's also been like a year

[floral furnace]

yes it is because ripping off iconoclast is my job 😎

[rain cedar]

No I'm pretty sure your job is never finishing your mod

[floral furnace]

Hey hey im already working on it again these past few days 😔 i mean until i rewrite it all over again for the 5th time because i cant make up my mind and the cycle repeats then yeah youre right

[rain cedar]

yhtsi

[floral furnace]

ythsi indeed

[rain cedar]

ythsi 🤔

[solemn rivet]

I like how lazy is basically one of us at this point

#archived-modding-development is such a welcoming channel! Everyone fits in nicely

[dusky lion]

ythsi

[jovial vault]

Man i wonder who this gradow dude is

He keeps on lurking and being weird :/ doesnt belong here tbh

[dusky lion]

Yeah what a weirdo

[solemn rivet]

Sounds like he has mental health issues

But what do I know

[jovial vault]

We’re all depressed fools here

[solemn rivet]

Can't argue with that logic