#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 390

iron crown Mar 29, 2019, 9:40 AM

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I have never encountered this before what

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Its the same bug as looking down opening gates faster

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 9:40 AM

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isn't there something with killing stuff and jumping

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:40 AM

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It happens a lot in the room before false knight

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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what

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Probably anything that sends the FINISH FSM action

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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but how

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how does that happen

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Game use global events

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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ya but like...

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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It'll just shout FINISH

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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PlaymakerFSM.BroadcastEvent("FINISH")

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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And everything uses finish to end stuff

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:41 AM

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like do a sender compare

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or something

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I'm pretty sure you can do that

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if I remember playmaker

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Well its usually for object a ending object b

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Like a lever opening a door

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:42 AM

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then just have the lever hold reference to the door and compare?

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:43 AM

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How about leaving massive jank in

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:43 AM

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whatever man TC made like 25 mill from this game

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 9:43 AM

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i always figured there was a good reason everyone hated empty hops but then ttacco says "dunno it's just lame"

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:43 AM

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jank = bank

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Jank = you actually make a product in 2 years on 90k instead of 5 on 250

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:44 AM

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and then make millions

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Most of the jank isn't even money or time constraints

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Its just random wtf why would you even do it this way

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 9:45 AM

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i think they just didn't have that much coding experience

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:46 AM

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OK how bout this, instead of spending 4 years getting a degree in comp sci, and costing you tens of thousands of dollars you just don't do any of that, make a game with jank and make millions hollowdab

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Sure televator is like oh this is bugged, we won't fix that but make it "impossible" to trigger

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Galaxy Brain Move

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:46 AM

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But jumps being canceled by other entities is wtf

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Its a feature!!!

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👌 👌 👌

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:46 AM

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LOL

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Also that's really not a viable strat

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HK got very lucky

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Might as well say instead of making a game just buy lottery tickets

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:47 AM

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I wasn't around for the HK kickstarter phase

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but looking back at least

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from my perspective

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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wait, you mean i shouldnt quit my day job to make bank with my first person roguelike survival game

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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they did good in guaranteeing funding

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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hm?

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Name another indie as good as HK that didn't make money? Yes they got lucky I agree but its hardly like winning the lotto

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Not if you intend to make jank

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Games don't need to be well put together

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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I mean define good, HK has a lot of aethestic polish

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:48 AM

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they need to function to a decent degree

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and that's it

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:49 AM

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But the gameplay is still rough around the edges esp on release

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:49 AM

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they're not products you'll be expanding onto and adding features 10 years down the line

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usually

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obviously a good base is just beneficial

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but... whatever

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I honestly am looking forward to seeing the code from Silksong.

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Will probably be much better.

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Yes but that jank is just good enough that the game plays fine (after some patches LOL) Honestly I was of the idea they should code it better during dev stage but they said its better to use that time and effort to make more content... And they were right. Now this is when on a budget with time constraints etc its not like you can't do both thing when u have money and time

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Hmmm.

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I mean you could argue that with a more solid base, the addition of more content would be easier you know?

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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I don't think any of the other metroidvanias got anywhere near the hype HK did

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Like momodora/axiom verge

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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because they both suck

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especially axiom verge

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Do they though

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Because Momodora was animu sprites and Axiom Verge looks... kinda blegh

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Momodora is only short

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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axiom verge is pretty decent

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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HK looks fucking CRISP

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AS

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SHIT

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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axiom verge is boring

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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oh yeah true hk is really pretty

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:52 AM

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And axiom verge is fine mechanically

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Its just got a real retro aethestic

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:53 AM

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which isnt that popular

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I'm personally surprised it did as well as it did

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 9:53 AM

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i mean there was uh that whole recent scandal so they did lose a lot of money

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:54 AM

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Bloodstained looks like shit though

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And that made millions already

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:54 AM

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wasn't it the publisher of the Wii U version that lost a lot?

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not the devs themselves

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they did lose a bit

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:54 AM

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And that's not out Kappa

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 9:54 AM

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badlands stole like 70k from them

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:54 AM

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but not like, a crippling amount

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its coming May I think

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the Wii U version

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oof

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Wii U

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:56 AM

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@charred parrot I'm assuming Silksong will just have similar code to HK. This is just my opinion as I don't know but if I were TC I would just reuse HK engine unless SS needs some kinda crazy new stuff and who knows maybe it will. Again why waste time writing new stuff from scratch when the thing you have works (relatively) fine

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:56 AM

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Also isn't that an element of luck? If your complaints against momodora are animu and axiom verge has shit graphics, maybe if they chose different styles they could be more popular?

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 9:57 AM

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imo i think its from the low expectations

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:57 AM

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I think true success comes at a crossroad of talent, hard work and luck

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:57 AM

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^

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Pre release hype can sell games

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 9:57 AM

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but axiom verge exploration is boring in general, Hollow Knight's world is fun to explore

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:58 AM

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There is always an element of luck

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 9:58 AM

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Like no mans sky

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 9:58 AM

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But unlike the lottery, you can do shit to affect your chances.

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Like having a CRISP AS FUCKING SHIT art style

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 9:59 AM

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this is why im hoping silksong is gonna refine these stuff, but im also worried because theyre also adding a few new mechanics which i hope theyll excute well

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 9:59 AM

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I think the more talent and hardwork you do the less luck you need. Its like a sliding scale!

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:00 AM

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So whens HK Battle Royale coming

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:01 AM

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meritocracy isn't real. there's good popular games and bad unpopular games, but conversely bad popular games and good unpopular games. and there's tons of different ways to interpret stuff and contradict what's generally accepted as "good" or "bad". so arguing whether games "deserve" their position is sort of pointless imo

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Factor in advertising

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not just game quality

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Nah luck is definitely all of it

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Hard work and talent gets you df

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Luck gets you minecraft

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:02 AM

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fucking memer over here

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 10:03 AM

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DF is an outlier tbh but thats just my imo

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Minecraft was a good idea with a cutsy artstyle

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Minecraft was lucky

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:03 AM

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yes but it wasn't 100% luck

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luck is always a factor

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always

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but this isn't a coin flip

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Almost all luck, no adverts obscure niche game from a dev that pretty much made nothing before, before kickstarters

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Literally if you found out about mc before it got massive its because someone you knew irl told you probably

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Or you saw a forum post somewhere

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:06 AM

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or Youtube

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:06 AM

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nobody's arguing that Every Popular Thing Has No Merit Because It Is Lucky. the point is minecraft wouldn't be where it is today without obscene amounts of luck

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:06 AM

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not denying that

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Nah Minecraft didn't really get a lot of YouTube time prior to its explosion in popularity

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As the vids were mainly targeted at children, who weren't the early adopters

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:07 AM

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I think I joined minecraft around beta 1.1

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how long ago was that jeez

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Dec 2010

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holy

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

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I joined an early alpha

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When we had secret Friday updates FeelsBadMan

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

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you know they removed mention of Notch from the game recently

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

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good

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Remember when doors and fences didn't work in mp Kappa

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:09 AM

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idk, he says some absolutely retarded shit but it's still his thing you know?

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:09 AM

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he's still in the end credits

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:09 AM

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its like scrubbing off the name on a statue

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:10 AM

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those splash text only showed up very rarely

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:10 AM

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early Multiplayer minecraft was always such a fucking struggle to get working

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they just could not get that working

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:10 AM

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yeah it was mess

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:10 AM

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for the longest time

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like it took forever for them to add multiplayer nether

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I think the work around in multiplayer servers was like

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a mod that would tp you to a separate map

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that generated like that nether

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like they'd make a fake one

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@leaden hedge Delegate system is working well btw ty

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not going to do it by frames, but the idea is still good

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I wonder how jank minecraft code is

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or was

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:25 AM

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it must be a nightmare to work with

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 10:29 AM

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i think games esp indie games are always going to be luck

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but that doesn't mean you shouldnt put in effort and hard work

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like it definitely does increase your probability of being successful

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:29 AM

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yeah, just don't count on success

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 10:30 AM

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yeah like it's more of a passion project than for the money

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and a lot of things will gain fans slowly

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like hollow knight for example

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i don't think it blew up per se but it did steadily gain fans

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 10:32 AM

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The biggest luck for HK was Nintendo scrapping the WiiU and making the switch

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Then the switch becoming very popular

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 10:32 AM

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oh ye the switch helped a lot

civic hare Mar 29, 2019, 10:32 AM

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wii uwu

warped sinew Mar 29, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Then not many games being on it

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 10:32 AM

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swowotch

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most indie games started ports around what late 2018?

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and hk came out on switch june 2018 iirc

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so yea

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i also think the kickstarter blew up massively

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Ps Vita version when?

brazen mortar Mar 29, 2019, 10:35 AM

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It wasn’t even reached smh

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 10:36 AM

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dm TC money for vita release

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 10:36 AM

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are games for that thing still being made even

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 10:38 AM

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probably not

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also look at this pile of fluff my friend sent me

📎 D2uUxFZUwAE2AzW.png

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when do i get cat staff role

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 10:47 AM

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never

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 10:47 AM

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:(

pseudo pewter Mar 29, 2019, 12:14 PM

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I have a mod idea but I can’tcode so I’m going to say it here

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It’s Nightmare King Grimm, but he has new moves like spawning 3 flame pillars in set locations in the arena and attacking the middle of the floor and it sends 5 arcing fireballs up in the air

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Then at half hp he breaks the ground and you fall onto 3 platforms and he slowly destroys the platforms as he loses health

brazen mortar Mar 29, 2019, 12:28 PM

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Sigh

dusky lion Mar 29, 2019, 12:32 PM

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scills (copypasta paraphrased)

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 12:46 PM

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It be like that

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 2:46 PM

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i see there was a discussion on the notch controversy while i was asleep

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remember when doors didn't work in mp?

remember when you had to punch doors to open them, instead of right click?

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 2:52 PM

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didn't everything use to be left click to interact

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 2:55 PM

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when was the API last updated?

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I'm pretty sure it's breaking the 1 way breakable shortcuts

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been a lot of reports of that lately

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📎 unknown.png

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 2:56 PM

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wtf

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how

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 2:56 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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this is like the 5th person to report it in 3 days

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this guy only has custom knight on

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nothing else

solemn rivet Mar 29, 2019, 2:57 PM

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56 did change the api recently

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👀

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 2:57 PM

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garmond

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56...

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what did u do

mossy pike Mar 29, 2019, 2:57 PM

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56 wearytiso

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Does someone have an older version of the API

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or how do I look at past versions on the drive

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 2:59 PM

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can you even look at older versions?

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you can with text files

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wait yeah

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probably right click

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:00 PM

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activity should let you see

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:00 PM

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manage version

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:01 PM

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hollowface

📎 unknown.png

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:01 PM

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^

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:01 PM

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smh y5s6f

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:01 PM

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yusuf is da 💣

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:02 PM

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doesn't give me a link but heres the feb one

📎 1.4.3.2_Modding_API_Universal.zip

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:03 PM

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kdt are u using older windows

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because the scroll bar looks different

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:03 PM

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i use win7

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:04 PM

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ahh the only good windows version

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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win10 in a nutshell: it runs better now, so we bog down the memory with unnecessary programs

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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win10 is just win7 but better

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especially once you turn off the unnecessary shit

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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i still wont forgive win 10 updating just 5 mins before our project presentation

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:05 PM

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like cortana

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and defender

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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oh yeah i disabled that stuff as soon as i got windows

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oof ttacco

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thats rough buddy

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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like ads and telemetry

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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there is so much shit they run that you dont need

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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good thing sir redirected it "oh youre not ready yet, ill call you again later" even tho he looks pissed 🙂

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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wearytiso im bored and dont know what to draw what should i do

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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a penis

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:06 PM

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no.

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smh im underage

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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draw an underage penis

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problem solved

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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so can we change the active version of the API on the drive so we know it's stable again?

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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galaxy brain

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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so thats pretty much all anyone draws in high school

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is penises

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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until we figure out why the walls are broken

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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or that really detailed S drawing

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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ever since children were invented they've been drawing dicks

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:07 PM

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I guess you don't know what a penis is until you're 18?

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that's news to me

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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this one

📎 d7213096530259ab44bdcc77b6b6e135.png

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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cool s

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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it wouldn't surprise me if the S showed up in roman graffiti

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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is what its called

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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crude dick drawings do

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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thanks

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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i mean we could

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:08 PM

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i mean im not gonna do a detailed dick drawing

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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how about a vagina

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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who said it had to be detailed

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draw a blurry one

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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draw a silksong release date

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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smh im a fool for asking for things to draw in modding what did i expec

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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intelligent answers

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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there you go

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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I drew it

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 3:09 PM

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N i c e

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:10 PM

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i uploaded the feb one under Stable-Feb-1.4.3.2

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:10 PM

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that won't auto update on the installer tho yeah?

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it'll still pull 1432

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:10 PM

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not unless we change the sha

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i think

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I just downloaded the feb 17th rn

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:10 PM

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ok i renamed it

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is it name based

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:10 PM

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lol

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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or is it based on something else

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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nice

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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because if its not named based, i'll have to download the 1.4.3.2 version and reupload that

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and replace it with the old one

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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📎 unknown.png

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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modding staff member doesn't know how shasum works notlikequirrel

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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i drew it but worse

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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that's not a penis

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I copy this?

📎 unknown.png

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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yup

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Okay what about this?

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leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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i know how hashing works

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Do I replaces the files in destination?

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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paste in same place as the file with the same name where the game is

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I don't know what they are hashing

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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there's just one file in all those folders

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so yeah, replace the assembly file when it asks

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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📎 unknown.png

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:12 PM

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yes

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okay 2 files

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b/c the xml

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bleh

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:13 PM

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I still do it?

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:13 PM

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yes

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:13 PM

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https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha1_checksum.html
put the dll in this to get the shasum, then you have to replace the shasum in the modlinks with that one

SHA1 File Checksum Online

SHA1 online hash file checksum function

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:14 PM

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then re-open your game, and go back to the wall

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see if you can break it

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:14 PM

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ok so it does link to the address

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not the name

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:14 PM

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the shasum of the one currently on the installer is <fae091d5bce38f731385c3ad111c59d2cdf64b9f>

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replace that with whatever the not broken one is

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Still didn't work

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:15 PM

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did you close your game before moving the new files?

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:15 PM

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save corruption?

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Yes I did @young walrus

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:16 PM

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yeah I have to change the files around though

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because it uses a link

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and I cba swapping that around

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:16 PM

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does it think that the wall isn't there even tho it is?

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:16 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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you sure you don't have any other mods installed?

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can you send a screenshot of your title screen

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Ok

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📎 unknown.png

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:17 PM

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so the collision with the knight is there, but the collision with the nail isn't?

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:17 PM

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collision with nail is not

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:17 PM

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from the other reports I've heard, you can hit the wall twice

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but not the final time

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Ye I did hit the wall twice

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They it stopped

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:18 PM

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so it's breaking the nail collider early

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:18 PM

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save file may well be corrupted from the API now

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the old one

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:19 PM

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yeah you are gonna have to no clip

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prolly

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:19 PM

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So debug mod it is?

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:19 PM

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but this should fix other occurrences of this issue on other walls

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if that's the wall in beast den, you can just sit on the bench

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go thru the non-shortcut way

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I was trying to do the shortcut way ye

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:20 PM

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you miss out on a relic if you go thru the shortcut anyway

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:20 PM

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not sure how you got back there so fast after installing the new API tbh

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without first closing and re-opening your game

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I closed the game
Installed new API
re-opened game
Then went back there

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I was sitting on the stag bench of resting grounds and I have the stag of deepnest

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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yeah, I'd just go the normal bench way then

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instead of the shortcut

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Seems fair

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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you didn't open the mod installer again did you?

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after installing the API?

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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I think I did..

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:21 PM

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then you re-installed the other API

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Oh

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I can always re-install the new API right?

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:22 PM

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so put the one you downloaded back in again

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opening the installer will automatically update the API

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:23 PM

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The mod installer reinstalls the old API?

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:23 PM

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well, it's the "new" one

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like a few days old

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but apparently breaks these walls

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so I wanted you to install a version from Feb to see if the new API is broken

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but opening the mod installer puts the new, broken API back in

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so don't do that

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Ah okay

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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hmm modlinks.xml won't update

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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So I put the API from 17th feb again and then immediately load the game?

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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gradow may have to update it

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yes @magic rover

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@solemn rivet

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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i get a very useful error

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fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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lmao

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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lol

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:24 PM

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this should be correct

📎 modlinks.xml

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Alright it worked! happygrub

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I broke the wall

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:28 PM

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nice

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so it's definitely the API then

magic rover Mar 29, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Yup

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:29 PM

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dammit 56

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 3:30 PM

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@leaden hedge there's too many old versions of modlinks

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You have to delete some before you can add more

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:30 PM

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nice error codes for that

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Yeah

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:31 PM

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should work now

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i have neither hk or the mod installer installed so I can't actually check that rolled it back

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 3:34 PM

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well he hasn't updated the version number for forever

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so they all say -46

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which is helpful

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Mick if you're available to get a log for an unbreakable wall I can look at it a bit

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:38 PM

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if you wanna check if it rolled back
drag the downloaded dll into https://emn178.github.io/online-tools/sha1_checksum.html there

SHA1 File Checksum Online

SHA1 online hash file checksum function

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should be c180be92cdf6dc57a6e4d02d562ad16936c83927

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fae091d5bce38f731385c3ad111c59d2cdf64b9f is the broken one

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Or we could actually change versions

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@copper nacelle

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:39 PM

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yeah you could do that

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just make the dll hash itself and return that as its version

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 3:40 PM

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That's so lazy and shitty

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Post build action that downloads the current api and checks the version on it then adds 1

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Modifies the IL to match

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Sounds like so much work

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For so little payoff

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 3:42 PM

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i mean its unlikely you'd get more than 1 a day

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could just do something like 1.4.mon.day

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Could work, yeah

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 4:04 PM

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What's wrong with the api

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 4:05 PM

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you broke it

mossy pike Mar 29, 2019, 4:05 PM

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people can't break wall shortcuts

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Wtf

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 4:05 PM

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yosof how am i supposed to play my christian bug game now

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 4:05 PM

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You don't even play this game

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 4:06 PM

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ur mum doesn't even play this game hollowdab

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 4:06 PM

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that's right

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 4:06 PM

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excuse me im an hk addict

📎 unknown.png

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ALMOST 3 hours in the past 2 weeks

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 4:06 PM

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.

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 4:06 PM

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thats 2.6 more hours than me in the last 6 months

floral furnace Mar 29, 2019, 4:06 PM

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imagine still playing hk lmao xd

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Well I'm not home for 5 hours so bye

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 4:07 PM

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farewell!

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 4:07 PM

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good riddance

hollow pier Mar 29, 2019, 4:24 PM

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902 🤢

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 4:32 PM

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i know

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im ashamed

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 4:40 PM

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guys gimme a kingdom name that references flowers

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 4:42 PM

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fog canyon

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Flora Province

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 4:44 PM

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https://youtu.be/-avSYawp4HY?t=8662 i feel like i have to link it or no one will get it

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Floristica

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Floral Gardens

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 4:52 PM

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putting a ban on names that end with a

young walrus Mar 29, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Floristico

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 5:05 PM

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if you make the game flower based you have to put the chrysanthemum throne in

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but made out of actual chrysanthemums

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 5:21 PM

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nani

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 5:21 PM

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chrysanthemum is a flower

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the symbol of the japanese imperial family is the chrysanthemum

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so the throne they sit on is called the chrysanthemum throne

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 5:22 PM

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you mean this

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysanthemum_Throne

Chrysanthemum Throne

The Chrysanthemum Throne (皇位, kōi, lit. "Imperial seat") is the throne of the Emperor of Japan. The term also can refer to very specific seating, such as the takamikura (高御座) throne in the Shishin-den at Kyoto Imperial Palace.Various other thrones or seats that are...

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ooooooh

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 5:23 PM

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oh this is really pretty

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also i ended up getting really bored and animating swathe

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 5:23 PM

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sort of like how here in england we have the war of the roses, because york/lancaster had roses as their symbols

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the imperial japanese family also had a flower as their symbol

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also put war of the roses in

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 5:26 PM

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one of the dudes did suggest oriental building structure as opposed to HK's gothic

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and Silksong's... Bell fetish

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 6:25 PM

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@jovial vault Wait I missed that you're animating the what now?

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 6:50 PM

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swathe, the character from your game thing?

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oh wait i should post her somewhere hm hm

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i needed something simple to animate as practice and i was like ok ig ill do this

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people are talking in art discussion so @charred parrot

📎 swathe.gif

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it's rough and ugly sorry lol

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 6:56 PM

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hot

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 6:57 PM

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saleh go work on coliseum champion

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 6:58 PM

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currently at a tennis match

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so I cannot my king

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 6:58 PM

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oooo cooolio

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ping Myk when you're done though since it's her character 😛

solar jacinth Mar 29, 2019, 6:58 PM

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noice

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 6:58 PM

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she likes Swathe fanstuff

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 6:58 PM

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woah someone else who says coolio

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Im too lazy to colour it because wearytiso 12am so ill ping her rn

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@midnight prairie

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 7:06 PM

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~~So one of the actual artists decided to try placing the assets instead of me. Looks much better :P~~

📎 55897029_2412576035421235_6001611588023353344_n.png

solar jacinth Mar 29, 2019, 7:11 PM

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wow

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looks awsome

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 7:13 PM

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ya decided to add Playmaker too to allow them to do some code 😄

leaden hedge Mar 29, 2019, 7:13 PM

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why

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Ruined

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 7:19 PM

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This is a joke

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I am funny man

solar jacinth Mar 29, 2019, 7:29 PM

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hi funny man im sugar

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 7:29 PM

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but sugar

shy cloak Mar 29, 2019, 7:34 PM

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but sugar

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 7:38 PM

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🍠

lament garden Mar 29, 2019, 7:46 PM

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🚟

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 8:15 PM

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welp

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lost the match

cunning lagoon Mar 29, 2019, 8:16 PM

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you suck

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 8:16 PM

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what match?

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league?

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of loogends?

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 8:18 PM

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sigh

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 8:20 PM

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dont sigh me

jovial vault Mar 29, 2019, 8:24 PM

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sigh

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Ive been thinking of actually learning c octothorpe and trying hk modding because lol i just hate myself That Much

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and do any of you degenerates have resources etc i know python and vaguely remember c++ from some stuff i read up

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Best thing is to learn by doing

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 8:41 PM

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^

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 8:52 PM

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the best way to learn is to look at tc's code

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 8:52 PM

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My university implies that reading a textbook and solving problems on paper is the best method though

ornate rivet Mar 29, 2019, 8:54 PM

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solving problems on paper is good for problem solving/pseudocodo

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code

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 8:54 PM

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x5fiftEch

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paper code sucks

fair rampart Mar 29, 2019, 8:55 PM

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writing out brackets

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GWmemetownOMEGALUL

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Just make a squiggle and hope the grader recognizes it

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 8:56 PM

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The worst part is when you forget a line

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So you have to erase half the program

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because formatting is points

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Write the line you missed in the tiny space between lines

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 8:58 PM

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maggotPrime

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Sometimes you can erase two lines and then write 3 lines in their place at like half the size

rain cedar Mar 29, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Sometimes you can press the enter key and get a new line to write on

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 11:33 PM

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does hk with the api feel different to control or am i going insane

charred parrot Mar 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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ah yes

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the quality stack overflow error

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my favorite

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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ok

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i've been lied to

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the breakable thing broke just fine

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https://streamable.com/rffng

Streamable

lied to - Streamable

▶ Play video

hollow pier Mar 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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maybe you need a not homo breakable wall

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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what

hollow pier Mar 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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that one is homo

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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i checked the gruz one too

hollow pier Mar 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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well they are both homo

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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you are homo

hollow pier Mar 29, 2019, 11:40 PM

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thanks!

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what is this cursed shit

📎 unknown.png

thorn comet Mar 29, 2019, 11:40 PM

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What about it?

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 11:41 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

thorn comet Mar 29, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Oh showing offline user? idk lol

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discord being discord

hollow pier Mar 29, 2019, 11:41 PM

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maggotprime

copper nacelle Mar 29, 2019, 11:44 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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maggotPrime

weak lodge Mar 30, 2019, 12:02 AM

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touch

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Check the beasts den one specifically

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The guy couldn't break that one

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 12:19 AM

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that's so far away

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is it the big drop one

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 12:19 AM

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The what

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In the shortcut

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 12:20 AM

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  \     /_______|break|
  |    |
  |    |
  |    |

hollow pier Mar 30, 2019, 12:20 AM

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GWchadMEGATHINK

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this guy

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 12:20 AM

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That's not a drop you climb up it

hollow pier Mar 30, 2019, 12:20 AM

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you go into the wings shortcut and go left it's right there

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 12:21 AM

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HE DOESN'T KNOW GWjiangoOmegaLUL

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Wait he edited it again to have the breakable on the right side

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 12:24 AM

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what

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are you ok

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 12:24 AM

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He actually doesn't know wtf

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It was just a tunnel before

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You can't expect me to stick around and watch while you do 20 edits

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 12:25 AM

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📎 unknown.png

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Yeah almost like you can't see shit on mobile

hollow pier Mar 30, 2019, 12:26 AM

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seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc seanpc

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🙏

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 12:26 AM

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🤔

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 12:38 AM

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scills

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Enabling Collider in Trigger -> OnTriggerEnter fires
Disabling Collider in Trigger -> OnTriggerExit doesn't fire

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Unity why

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I mean it makes sense but come on

leaden hedge Mar 30, 2019, 1:16 AM

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if you programmed your own hitboxes

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you wouldn't have this problem Kappa

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:33 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 2019-03-29_23-32-41.mp4

trim totem Mar 30, 2019, 3:34 AM

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what

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I assume this is a video of you breaking it

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:34 AM

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yes

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Maybe the bug isn't 100% reproduceable

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:35 AM

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maggot

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Or there's some condition you need for it

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It's not like all these people would simultaneously lie about the same bug

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EPIC prank if they are all lying

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:36 AM

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unfortunately true

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Is there SceneData reflection

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or are these planks all shitty pd bools

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:38 AM

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As far as I'm aware they're just scene data

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But the fsm for them might do some pd shit for no good reason

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:39 AM

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the only slightly changed behaviour is that GetInt will return 0 over -9999

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or whatever it was

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Idk change it back

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if TField int return -9999

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There's the code you're welcome

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:43 AM

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maggotPrime

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I'll just make the current one throw

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and add another one which casts to class

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bool? and int?

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and then ?? -9999

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easy

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and then fucking up won't be silently ignored too

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Perfect way to make things break less

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throw

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GWspenderLemon

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:47 AM

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I mean the only place it'll be used is mods

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Where I'd very much prefer throwing over silent death

young walrus Mar 30, 2019, 3:48 AM

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over farting?

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:48 AM

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This is for get internal, right?

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Yeah I'm making another method which has a default return

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:49 AM

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So let's say one mod adds a fake var

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Another mod has no idea what to do with that

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So it calls get internal

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:49 AM

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and that'll work

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because pd will use the non-throwing one

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Ok

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:50 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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        [PublicAPI]
        public static TCast GetAttr<TObject, TField, TCast>(TObject obj, string name, TCast @default = default(TCast)) where TCast : class
        {
            FieldInfo fi = GetField(typeof(TObject), name);

            return fi == null ? @default : ((Func<TObject, TField>) GetGetter<TObject, TField>(fi))(obj) as TCast;
        }

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wtf

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is bool? not considered a reference type

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the old one just casts

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good enough apparently

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Nullable is weird

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Kinda like string

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:54 AM

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oh i've got a bad idea

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(TCast) (Object)

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I guess if you want it to throw

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That's efficient

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:55 AM

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no it'll die before there

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because fi will be null

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actually if I can just cast Func<bool> to Func<bool?> I don't need the 3rd type

brazen mortar Mar 30, 2019, 3:56 AM

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learning coding by observation is not working

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this is so confusing

young walrus Mar 30, 2019, 3:57 AM

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learning by observing is next to impossible w/o prior experience with something that's related

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:57 AM

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unfortunate

📎 unknown.png

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actually this casts from delegate

brazen mortar Mar 30, 2019, 3:58 AM

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im realizing

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:58 AM

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will it throw or just work at runtime

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Observe simpler code to start

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:58 AM

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pensive

📎 unknown.png

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:58 AM

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This is generics and nullables

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And lambdas

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Is there any generic constraint for like

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i can cast x to y

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Idk

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where x : y isn't exactly that

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But it's close

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 3:59 AM

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yeah

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i don't think bool? : bool though

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i'll try

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it is not

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I mean casting to object works

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It's just ugly

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:01 AM

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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/programming-guide/generics/constraints-on-type-parameters

Constraints on Type Parameters - C# Programming Guide

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Looks like no

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:01 AM

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unfortunate

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maggotPrime

📎 unknown.png

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Wow nullable is fucked up

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:02 AM

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yeah i'm just gonna cast to object

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unfortunate

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it works

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i don't like it

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but it works

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Ok but does this even fix the issue with the breakable walls?

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:09 AM

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I mean this is the only behaviour which has changed

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and I can't reproduce it anyways

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 4:09 AM

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whats going on?

#

mod broke?

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:09 AM

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so presumably yeah but idk

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:09 AM

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56 broke something

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 4:10 AM

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a single breakable wall is being aids?

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Only behaviour which has changed *that you know of

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Fixed

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:11 AM

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fair

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how slow is try/catch

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 4:14 AM

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1308432/do-try-catch-blocks-hurt-performance-when-exceptions-are-not-thrown

Stack Overflow

Do try/catch blocks hurt performance when exceptions are not thrown?

During a code review with a Microsoft employee we came across a large section of code inside a try{} block. She and an IT representative suggested this can have effects on performance of the code. In

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eeeeh

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:14 AM

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no this is for when they are thrown

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 4:14 AM

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no there's a section with it not thrown

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:15 AM

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no i mean

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i'm trying to find speed when you do use the catch

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 4:15 AM

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oh ah

#

I see

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:18 AM

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ok i put the version with -9999 up

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hopefully that fixes it

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I can't imagine catching an exception is that expensive

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Unless it's made stupidly

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:19 AM

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i remember my cs teacher saying it was expensive at some point

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i'll time it

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it's expensive

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43917 ticks

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noot

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Fi.GetValue with 3 casts as a comparison

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is only 1814

spring ermine Mar 30, 2019, 4:21 AM

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sry to interrupt, how do i go about submitting a custom knight skin?

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:21 AM

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@young walrus

young walrus Mar 30, 2019, 4:21 AM

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post it here

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I'll put it on the drive

spring ermine Mar 30, 2019, 4:22 AM

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a zip?

young walrus Mar 30, 2019, 4:22 AM

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yes

spring ermine Mar 30, 2019, 4:23 AM

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ok, zippin it up

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so idk wut to call it or anything so im just labeling it as mustard knight... >.>

📎 ApplicationFrameHost_lex9Z7UnXY.png

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📎 Mustard_Knight.zip

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also working on a steel knight skin, needs some cleaning up with the animation sprite cycles (there's some frames where the highlights jump around) and then it'll be good to go

📎 ApplicationFrameHost_OpkqvZNFaT.png

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:30 AM

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rando has a canvas textbox right

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Like static text or an input area?

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:30 AM

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input area

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i'm trying to make a c# repl in game

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 4:30 AM

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The seed yes

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I copied it from enemy rando

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:34 AM

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[ERROR]:[API] - Error: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'System.CodeDom.Compiler.CompilerParameters' from assembly 'System, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'.
  at QoL.Dev.ExecuteCode (System.String code, System.String namespacename, System.String classname, System.String functionname, Boolean isstatic, System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at QoL.Dev.Initialize () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMod (IMod mod, Boolean updateModText, Boolean changeSettings) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
  at Modding.ModLoader.LoadMods () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

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wtf feelsbadman is gone

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 4:35 AM

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GWmythiFeelsBadMan

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Wtf

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GWmythiFeelsBadMan

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:28 AM

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k so

young walrus Mar 30, 2019, 5:28 AM

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QUESO

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:28 AM

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I dont think you'll be able to bench storage anymore

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probably

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proooooooooooobably

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 5:29 AM

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ruined

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then again we also "probably" wouldnt be able to get oob so

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:29 AM

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exactly

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just did some refactoring to try to better manage player control

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and how it can be yoinked from you

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decided to even create a "strength" property where control requests of weaker strength can't pull from those of higher

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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is this like when you said "i dont think youll be able to go oob" and then everyone went oob in 5 seconds

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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local man attempts to ruin glitched speedruns

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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5 min

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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GWmythiFeelsBadMan

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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GWmythiFeelsBadMan

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truly an hk fangame

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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guys I can't

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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also @brazen mortar relatable

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:31 AM

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it was too easy to do anyway

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100% there's some crippling bug in the code atm

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 5:32 AM

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you?

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 5:32 AM

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just make the trick a little bit harder to execute so it doesnt affect casual players

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charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:32 AM

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since I just moved a lot of stuff around

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honestly I think if KDT saw the bastardization of his delegate idea that I implemented he'd probably throw up

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I mean it works, and it's safe

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but it aint by frames

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luckily implementing some bools as an easy way to track states is really easy with this system

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but

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meh

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I've got 3 delegates. One for Input, one for Update related processes and one for FixedUpdate.

dusky lion Mar 30, 2019, 5:36 AM

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myson

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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hey guys which of these completely original logo ideas should we use

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jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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reverse the buttons duh, no one will be able to recognise them

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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team perry

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jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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also which poor artist did you get to make these i feel sorry for them

young walrus Mar 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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why not 🍆

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Team Berry never forget and the unless torrent of "Hey how do i start the multiplayer mode, i watched the trailer and they mentioned adding it"

dusky lion Mar 30, 2019, 5:38 AM

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archived

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charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:38 AM

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I made Team Pear, Arch made Team Berry and Fish made Team Banana

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 5:38 AM

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oh lmao they did the multiplayer mod trailer didnt they

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holy shit camm

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 5:38 AM

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it was just editing afaik

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 5:38 AM

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i feeel like team berry is the obvious answer

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because it rhmes

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rhymes

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 5:39 AM

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CHERRYSoftware

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:39 AM

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iCherry

dusky lion Mar 30, 2019, 5:39 AM

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just make it

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team ferry

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juyst that eaysre'

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Fuck this guy

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thinkgrub

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alright

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nice thing about using delegates actually is that the Update Loop is apparently quite taxing to start up.

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while it's kinda whatever if you have a small amount of objects it can be brutal with many in the scene

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having one update call many things is just more efficient

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:22 AM

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why do i still have messages on for this server

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charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:24 AM

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wow you little shit

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out of context that looks extra bad

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this is slander

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is Swathe my OC now?

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do I co-own Swathe?

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I don't think so thinkgrub

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:25 AM

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i mean you are making a game surrounding her so

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id say yes?

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:26 AM

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~~legit though her deign is very very cool~~

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:26 AM

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ye it is

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 6:26 AM

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her????

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🍆 💦

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:26 AM

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holy fuck

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slap a trademark on Swathe's face

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original character do not steal

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:27 AM

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team berry inc

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there are like 12 people working on this does that mean that each of you own swathe then

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:27 AM

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hullo am tem berry we mak hallow night fangam

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the % you own of Swathe is directly proportional to the work you put in

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but Myk immediately owns 51% because she made her

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:28 AM

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ive drawn swathe does this mean i get approximately 2% ownership

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:28 AM

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no

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:28 AM

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unfortunate

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:29 AM

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fucking having Stock in Swathe

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:29 AM

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gotta invest before you make 25m off this game

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and then lose all of that in a copyright battle

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:30 AM

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impossiboru

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I think making the map may be aids

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like the map map not the level

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:31 AM

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just copy hk's map design

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:31 AM

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no like the physical map feature

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like you open it up

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:31 AM

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aaah

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:31 AM

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and look at map

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wait a moment

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if you get knocked into spikes

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you immediately get respawned right

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:33 AM

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yes

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:33 AM

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spike contact doesnt care about invinsibility frames

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kk good

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:33 AM

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yeah you cant ddark into spikes

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 6:34 AM

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lies

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you can ddark into absrad spikes

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lied to again

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:34 AM

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absrad?

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 6:35 AM

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dont forget to make it so pressing map cast map lets you float

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:35 AM

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no

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these are dumb bugs

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 6:36 AM

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tc 2.0 😔

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 6:36 AM

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it's fine it'll work once per quitout

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:40 AM

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I still don't get why the concentration of good artists is so high on this fucking server

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:41 AM

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where are all the good modders 😩

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 6:42 AM

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i'm pretty good i made better debug

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:45 AM

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where are the modders to make the boss scills mod

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:45 AM

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u

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 6:46 AM

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I dont know how to mod HK

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and I'm not interested in learning

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 6:46 AM

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time to learn

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 8:56 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/riskofrain/comments/b792bj/who_would_be_interested_in_a_pvp_mod/?st=jtv998de&sh=489515fe

r/riskofrain - Who would be interested in a PVP mod?

0 votes and 0 comments so far on Reddit

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 8:57 AM

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RoR2 is moddable?

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 8:57 AM

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it's far easier than HK

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 8:58 AM

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hk is the dark souls of modding

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 11:21 AM

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this man is galaxy brain

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https://youtu.be/43xp_EyqkrU?t=218

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:24 AM

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hot take

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"it doesnt take all day to code but it takes a lot" 😩

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also saleh why were you watching this

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 11:36 AM

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because it's hilarious

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:43 AM

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not when jack has something to say about it wearytiso

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 11:43 AM

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is ttacco actually jack

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:45 AM

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if jack recoded and refactored his stuff 3 times already and the code still looks shit after, then yes

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:46 AM

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how much did the code actually get better after lifeblood

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considering i joined after that

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:47 AM

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not sure but TGT had an entire rewrite for the health system because back then it was all FSM on each enemies

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:48 AM

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ye i know that hellmonster of an fsm got replaced

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:49 AM

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didnt know the specifics either since i got active here after lifeblood too, were you there when everyone was losing their shit to "why is the coloring brighter/more saturated?!??!" debate all over the server?

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:50 AM

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i joined this server in december so no?

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:51 AM

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well yeah that was one of the biggest shitshow on the server, save godmaster release, lots of good copypastas was created during gm

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:51 AM

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hnn jeez

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didnt tc like accidentally leak godmaster stuff or am i just remembering shit that didnt happen

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:52 AM

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yeah they did afaik and veru actually streamed it

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they told him to stop afaik

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:52 AM

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theres a message on this server somewhere of wilbo just going oh i mayhaps have pressed the button early and that makes sense

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:52 AM

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~~tbf id go crazy too if that happened to silksong wearytiso ~~

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:52 AM

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you'd have to die then wearytiso

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:52 AM

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most unfortunate

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:53 AM

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~~not really but-~~

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it's modding do you expect anything wholesome

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talk to me in #art-discussion if you want not a piece of shit mino

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 11:57 AM

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@ gradow

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 11:57 AM

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@.modding staff

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 12:08 PM

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not sure how much better the code got after lifeblood but I can confirm that the game's performance was increased by several magnitudes

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 12:08 PM

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oh thats something i noticed actually

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 12:08 PM

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my laptop would take 20-30 seconds sometimes to load the next scene but after lifeblood it only took 5-10 seconds

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 12:09 PM

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ye same

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 12:10 PM

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oh yeah hte load times where the most noticable afaik

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 12:10 PM

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I wonder what sort of glitches silksong will have on launch. I remember trial of conqueror not giving pale ore when hk released

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 12:11 PM

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the only glitch i legit encountered in my entire first playthrough was me getting stuck in the shade soul room that i had to restart the game to load at the bench

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 12:12 PM

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speedrunners here like: 😔

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 12:13 PM

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oh and I remember killing carver hatchers would make the game lag more and more with every kill

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I am doing intuitive research and analysis on the internet phenomenon known as “traps” with the hopes that I can persuade individuals who are confused by the phenomenon, ignorant of what traps are, and those who have specific advocacy in direct relation to this topic.

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 12:26 PM

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🤔

weak lodge Mar 30, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Saleh how pale champion going

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:37 PM

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nice name knightmere

weak lodge Mar 30, 2019, 1:39 PM

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I ingested gamer juice u see

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:39 PM

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yes i can tell

weak lodge Mar 30, 2019, 1:40 PM

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shit my gamer is showing

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:41 PM

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has been for a while but what can you do

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:46 PM

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I'm still on the platforming phase

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:46 PM

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"i want to get it out before april 18th"

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:46 PM

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need some creative* ideas beyond flappy bird

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 1:47 PM

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random gpz explosion flies

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:47 PM

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nah

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 1:47 PM

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fine

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belflies

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:47 PM

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I have nkg flame pillar grenades for that hollowwoke

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 1:47 PM

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wearytiso

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make sure the fire doesnt stop

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:48 PM

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this is doh 2.0 isnt it wearytiso

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 1:48 PM

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~~even outside godhome~~

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:49 PM

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nah this won't be as easy as shadow dashing through projectiles

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alright I need someone to draw me grenades

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:51 PM

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my time to shine

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 1:51 PM

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send them to me too i need those

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:51 PM

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for what exactly

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🤔

floral furnace Mar 30, 2019, 1:51 PM

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hey hey thats why i asking you if there was a explosion prefab way way waybefore

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:52 PM

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will you actually do it mino?
I was thinking of some how ripping the pimpillo sprites from the silksong trailer

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:52 PM

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ye by when do you need them

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give me like specifications on what you need

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:53 PM

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ok

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here's what it would look like in action https://streamable.com/pw02a

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so basically I want to replace the ninja stars with a mechanical looking grenade

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:56 PM

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oki and an explosion radius etc?

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:56 PM

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oh I was going to keep the nkg explosions for that grimmwink

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:57 PM

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nice nice

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:57 PM

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either way wouldn't explosions be particles?

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:57 PM

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yup

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alright so just a mechanical pimpillo drawing?

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 1:57 PM

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yea

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and it would probably look like this when it's about to explode

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jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 1:58 PM

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alright do you need that animated or

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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probably 3 sprites at most?
1 when in air (I'll add spinning motion to it in the game) and 2 for when it's about to explode?

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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ye that's very doable

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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neato

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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ill do it by like tonight i think? give me a few hours

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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mega thanks

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ok

jovial vault Mar 30, 2019, 2:01 PM

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np

balmy skiff Mar 30, 2019, 2:30 PM

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hey, how can i use enemy randomizer with randomiser v2? it is impossible?

solemn rivet Mar 30, 2019, 2:32 PM

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enemy rando is not stable

balmy skiff Mar 30, 2019, 2:32 PM

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But it's so funny

balmy skiff Mar 30, 2019, 3:22 PM

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i found how to

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i'll stream this this night ^^

shy cloak Mar 30, 2019, 3:23 PM

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thanks bot 😃

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 9:58 PM

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@copper nacelle you should hop on the Risk of Rain 2 modding train

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it's gonna be fun as hell

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we're all discussing API atm

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 10:01 PM

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👀

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 10:02 PM

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@ me if you want an invite to the server

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it's so easy too, the code is actually clean

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 10:02 PM

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@buoyant obsidian

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 10:02 PM

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how's the game

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 10:02 PM

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ok DL I preemptively banned you

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 10:02 PM

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thanks

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 10:03 PM

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I like it a lot so far

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it's very smooth

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early access as hell but a fantastic, well made groundwork

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and fun to play too

hollow pier Mar 30, 2019, 10:03 PM

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yes 56 buy the game to mod it and give me the second copy

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 10:03 PM

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that promo ended

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 10:03 PM

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yes 56 make icono map editor

hollow pier Mar 30, 2019, 10:03 PM

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yes 56 hack steam to re-enable the promo

cunning lagoon Mar 30, 2019, 10:04 PM

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dont give him ideas

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fsm man GWcorbinMonkaGIGA

copper nacelle Mar 30, 2019, 10:04 PM

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the modding server is not the actual server

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interesting

dusky lion Mar 30, 2019, 10:22 PM

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i can buy either metal gear rising or risk of rain 2

buoyant obsidian Mar 30, 2019, 10:22 PM

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easy choose tbh

dusky lion Mar 30, 2019, 10:22 PM

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you're right

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metal gear rising time

rain cedar Mar 30, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Wow unfinished game or rules of nature

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Real tough choice

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Glad you made the right decision

dusky lion Mar 30, 2019, 10:51 PM

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rules of nature i sleep

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a stranger i remain i awake

leaden hedge Mar 30, 2019, 11:14 PM

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are you implying platinum finished a game

ornate rivet Mar 30, 2019, 11:51 PM

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wtf you have to do .Play for particles to start playing?

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reeeee

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oh no wait they still dont work

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time to look at 56's pale prince code

charred parrot Mar 30, 2019, 11:58 PM

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You do .Play() because some particle systems don't have PlayOnAwake set

ornate rivet Mar 31, 2019, 12:41 AM

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how come doing this still makes white particles (this is pretty much a copy of 56's code btw)

var trail = bombFire.AddComponent<ParticleSystem>();
var rend = trail.GetComponent<ParticleSystemRenderer>();
rend.material = rend.trailMaterial = new Material(Shader.Find("Particles/Additive"))
{
    mainTexture = Resources.FindObjectsOfTypeAll<Texture>().FirstOrDefault(x => x.name == "Default-Particle"),
    color = Color.black
};

leaden hedge Mar 31, 2019, 1:20 AM

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where are you setting color

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because it should be trail.startColor = new Color(r,g,b,a);

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setting the color of particles/addtive doesn't work

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as you need to do material.SetColor("_TintColor", new Color(r,g,b,a));

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@ornate rivet

glad hinge Mar 31, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Hey, I heard there is a mod that randomizes every enemy, and it said to check the pinned messages in this channel, but I can't seem to find it

fair rampart Mar 31, 2019, 2:19 AM

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**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

glacial panther Mar 31, 2019, 2:23 AM

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does anybody have an old godseeker save where void heart is unequipped by default

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and if so can they check if you can equip void heart when all your notches are filled

fair rampart Mar 31, 2019, 4:43 AM

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**Mac**

Yes, mods can be installed on a mac.
You can use the installer
To run the installer:

Open the Terminal
Type cd $(dirname
Drag the exe onto the terminal.
Type ) then hit Return/Enter
Type mono --arch=32 (Note the space at the end)
Drag the exe onto the terminal and then hit Return/Enter

If this fails with bash: mono: command not found then

install mono here
Open a new terminal window
Type/paste in export PATH=/usr/local/bin:${PATH} and hit Return/Enter
Repeat steps 2-6 above.

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 4:53 AM

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hi friends

copper nacelle Mar 31, 2019, 4:54 AM

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ax2uHmm

rain cedar Mar 31, 2019, 4:55 AM

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hi

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 5:10 AM

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anything interesting going on

floral furnace Mar 31, 2019, 5:10 AM

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interally dying

copper nacelle Mar 31, 2019, 5:11 AM

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maggot art

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 5:11 AM

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maggot art?

copper nacelle Mar 31, 2019, 5:11 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521709991019806731/561778923818450954/maggotmaggot.png

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@floral furnace post the hive knight

floral furnace Mar 31, 2019, 5:12 AM

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📎 iwasleftunfinished.png

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 5:15 AM

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oh no

jovial vault Mar 31, 2019, 5:18 AM

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what the fuck

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change every enemy to maggot versions

soft hare Mar 31, 2019, 5:34 AM

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I'm new to modding and just got downloaded the randomizer mod, is there anywhere that explains the settings when starting a game?

copper nacelle Mar 31, 2019, 5:34 AM

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no

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what are you confused about

soft hare Mar 31, 2019, 5:35 AM

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The all bosses/skills/charms bit

copper nacelle Mar 31, 2019, 5:35 AM

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hornet won't let you into black egg if you don't have all {whatever} if you enable all {whatever}

soft hare Mar 31, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Ok, thanks 😃

jovial vault Mar 31, 2019, 5:56 AM

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oof the server is dead today

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 6:00 AM

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modding being dead =/= server being dead

rain cedar Mar 31, 2019, 6:02 AM

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The parts of the server that matter are dead

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Meaning modding and sr channels

copper nacelle Mar 31, 2019, 6:02 AM

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mySonCursor

rain cedar Mar 31, 2019, 6:03 AM

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If it was up to me this would be at least three separate servers

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Easier to ignore the plebs and art folk that way

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 6:05 AM

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they're not that bad

fair rampart Mar 31, 2019, 6:05 AM

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and #297468195026239489

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 6:05 AM

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except that mino guy

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fuck that guy

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wont draw mah OC

jovial vault Mar 31, 2019, 6:08 AM

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wearytiso

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give me your oc and ill draw them

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But only if you make a boss scills mod

charred parrot Mar 31, 2019, 6:09 AM

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deal

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step 1