archived-modding-development

[fair rampart]

the problem with mola's skin is the cloak color is too staurated

no character in game has that much saturation

[young walrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

so change it

[fair rampart]

i did

[young walrus]

no character in game looks neon either

but that's a skin

[fair rampart]

i know which is why i made my own

cus people need to understand ari gibsons aesthetics

cant just willy dilly

[young walrus]

or maybe they're just making what they want

[solemn rivet]

so this is all part of an agenda

got it

[young walrus]

apparently

[fair rampart]

yes gonna take over russia first

[young walrus]

the classic "people have to do things my way or I'm mad"

[fair rampart]

mhm nuclear war incoming bois

[solemn rivet]

take over russia with ari's art

[fair rampart]

and then comes germany

maybe sweden if im in the mood

[young walrus]

🍆 💦 🇩🇪

[solemn rivet]

💦

[weak lodge]

Commit nightmare king’s color scheme

[fair rampart]

i used brumm fur color for the cloak and grimm eyes for the eyes

if i made the cloak pink tk wouldve looked too pretty 5 me

[solar jacinth]

eyes look like infected

[fair rampart]

this color

[solar jacinth]

it isnt

im p sure it isnt

its orange

[fair rampart]

want the sprites?

you can check it out urself

[solar jacinth]

yes

why dont you give it to mickely tho

also why horns are different

[fair rampart]

who?

theyre not

[solar jacinth]

what

[fair rampart]

its the same lol

[solar jacinth]

it isnt

[fair rampart]

xD

[solar jacinth]

tahts impossible

[fair rampart]

ok lemme just upload the sprites one momment homie

[solar jacinth]

its the hollow knight skin

[fair rampart]

they are wtf

these sprites gave those horns

idk whats anymore lol

real*

[solar jacinth]

you really made a big mistake

[fair rampart]

not me the custom knight mod person did it

lol

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uo84xvqdous6ld1/AAC9xvY93wtpwQRITqdgrbNCa?dl=0

[solar jacinth]

no ?

i can give you original sprites

[fair rampart]

ohh ok so the first sprites i downloaded were from another person

[solar jacinth]

yes

[fair rampart]

the pure vessel sprites

[solar jacinth]

from @ emray#7019

yes

[fair rampart]

ok so now im debating whether i want these horns

theyre cool tbh

[solar jacinth]

nah

[fair rampart]

you think tk had better horns?

[solar jacinth]

wait minute ill give you the original dprites

yes

[fair rampart]

i have the og's

[lofty frigate]

thks horns better tbh

[fair rampart]

its fine

[solar jacinth]

wel hollow knight has better b ut emilia drew it abit weird thats why

[fair rampart]

agreed

yeah the horns kinda disappear when you talk to npcs

like a chunk gets cut off

[solar jacinth]

yes while looking up

[fair rampart]

yeah

[solar jacinth]

but thats not the problem

eys are smaller too

[fair rampart]

no way

[solar jacinth]

yes it is

[weak lodge]

Why didn’t you just give the sprites to Mickley

[solar jacinth]

@young walrus

im working on sahde knight tho

shade

[fair rampart]

theyre the same i checked

[solar jacinth]

no

[weak lodge]

Also nightmare king is hella saturated wdym

[solar jacinth]

it looks cool i think

[fair rampart]

yeah the eyes where saturated af but tk has small eyes so it wouldnt look good imo

i had to tone the eyes down a bit

[weak lodge]

It’s lines perfectly up with the nkg design, plus mola put in the time to add the eyemarks so your skin is rivaled by something that would widely be considered better

[solar jacinth]

only problem eye lines are bit weird esspeacially when looking up

[weak lodge]

Looking up and down they wobble a little

[fair rampart]

i put the eye marks too but they also wobbled

[weak lodge]

Mola made them very consistent

You’ve tried the skin no?

[solar jacinth]

mola is best

[fair rampart]

i made my own eye marks and used molas

molas were good but when u look up and down they wobbled

[solar jacinth]

i loved the tone of red

[fair rampart]

thanks

[solar jacinth]

uh.......

[weak lodge]

I think he meant molas one I’m not sure

[solar jacinth]

was talking bout mola

[weak lodge]

Ah yes

I also loved the red

[fair rampart]

oh lol xD

[solar jacinth]

gosh my shade knight looks well

[weak lodge]

I ended up modifying the cloak to my likes however

[fair rampart]

every character in game had unsaturated colors

[weak lodge]

Are you sure your screen is ok

[fair rampart]

it doesnt match the game imo

[weak lodge]

Nice

[solar jacinth]

thanks

[weak lodge]

So it’s done or still more?

[solar jacinth]

in progress

[weak lodge]

Kk

Looks great so far

[solar jacinth]

ill let u know when its done

thanks

[solemn rivet]

I'll be the judge

[weak lodge]

Yea I didn’t see a problem with mola’s skin at all other than the wobble from looking up and down

[solemn rivet]

show me the sprites you want to determine whether they are oversaturated or not

[weak lodge]

Also the spell sprites mola did are god

[solar jacinth]

agreed

[weak lodge]

Gradow check the custom knight noting in pins

[solemn rivet]

:effort:

[weak lodge]

Tf you’re modding staff

[solemn rivet]

:effort²:

that's why I should be treated as nobility

and given the sprites

not get them myself like a peasant

[solar jacinth]

i ll sleep by

[solemn rivet]

[fair rampart]

you sure thats the only problem?

[weak lodge]

Yea everything else is fine

No errors or anything

[fair rampart]

the onutlines have tiny pixelated reds

[solar jacinth]

looks good

[weak lodge]

Yes

[solemn rivet]

this is mola's?

[solar jacinth]

its cuz color edit

[fair rampart]

lol thats lazy coloring

[solar jacinth]

not lazy

[solemn rivet]

literally just downloaded it

[fair rampart]

just hue/saturation that baby up

[solar jacinth]

ez way

and better think

[fair rampart]

exactly

[weak lodge]

I think it’s fine

[solar jacinth]

agreed

[solemn rivet]

so that's what you guys were saying was saturated?

and not on ari's style?

[fair rampart]

if the game had those lines imagine the outrage

no

[weak lodge]

yes that’s what he said

[fair rampart]

look at the grimm troupes color palette

[weak lodge]

I

[fair rampart]

and no other character is that saturated

[weak lodge]

I think I’ve had a good look

[fair rampart]

reason why the game was good was because of the time ari took to make the game look good not take the ez way

[solar jacinth]

i think it looks fine tho

[weak lodge]

actually

look at pure vessel spritesheet

[solemn rivet]

objectively wrong, moo

[fair rampart]

its other factors too lol

[solar jacinth]

moo you are thinking very wrong

[fair rampart]

not just the sexy sprites

[solemn rivet]

Salt and Sanctuary looks as bad as it gets, and is still very solid

[fair rampart]

havent played that

[solemn rivet]

conversely, Death's Gambit looks amazing, but is awful

[weak lodge]

sundered looks amazing

but is awful iirc

have not played it

but heard its pretty bad

[solemn rivet]

so there's no objective causation between looking good and being a good game

yup, Knightmere

[solar jacinth]

ori and the blind forest

[solemn rivet]

it looks real good

but is pretty bad

[fair rampart]

what makes a good game is a combination of everything

[solemn rivet]

ori is an edge case

[fair rampart]

just have gameplay and square pixels is a no no

[solemn rivet]

because it's mostly accepted that it's a pretty good looking game

[fair rampart]

square blobs roaming and shits

[weak lodge]

also the thing is so subtle that its barely noticable and the amount of work he'd have to put in for the little payoff is ech

[solemn rivet]

but people disagree a lot on whether it's actually a good game or not

I, for one, hate ori

also, moo, again, wrong

see Minecraft

Terraria

etc.

[fair rampart]

its not subtle xD

[solar jacinth]

minecraft is made of void

[fair rampart]

i can see it clearly

no adult takes minecraft seriously

[solar jacinth]

you say so

[fair rampart]

not gamer adults i meant other adults

[solemn rivet]

that basically sums up the argument then

ok

hey, sean, was hoping you'd show up

[rain cedar]

Adults who don't play games not taking a game seriously wow

[solar jacinth]

its a good game but not for me

[fair rampart]

yeah theyre people who are open minded and appreciate a game if its good

exception would be minecraft

[rain cedar]

You can't make a judgement on something without playing it

That doesn't make any sense

[fair rampart]

its like people who think cartoons are for kids

[rain cedar]

Yeah, they're idiots too

[fair rampart]

but once they see something beautiful they change

[solemn rivet]

minecraft is actually a pretty solid game

[solar jacinth]

guys im so excited cuz finally my clasmate accepted playing hk

[rain cedar]

Yeah minecraft is dope

[solemn rivet]

I played loads of it when I had the time

back when I was just starting on uni

[solar jacinth]

what about fortnite

[weak lodge]

saturation

[solar jacinth]

nice

[fair rampart]

yellow is a naturally saturated color

[weak lodge]

have you seen the absrad arena

[fair rampart]

any yellow that isnt saturate isnt yellow

[solemn rivet]

dunno, sugar, not my kind of game

[weak lodge]

also nkg is pink-red

[solar jacinth]

once i tried to beat absrad with full brightness

[solemn rivet]

over the years I've slowly converged towards action-rpg-esque games

[solar jacinth]

hk was my first metroid vania experience

you cant guess how hard times i got

[weak lodge]

not saturated™

[solar jacinth]

lol

[fair rampart]

thats with the fx on

[solar jacinth]

nice cape color

[weak lodge]

fx?

[solar jacinth]

no wtf

[weak lodge]

what the fuck'

[solar jacinth]

wtf

moo

[solemn rivet]

sugar you should definitely play the classic igavanias then

[fair rampart]

lemme show you

one momment

[solar jacinth]

i will gradow

[weak lodge]

let me get the spritesheet for nkg for you

[solemn rivet]

possibly Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission as well

[fringe schooner]

i click modding by accident and i see a whipping grimm

[fringe schooner]

this is why im not usually here :)

[solemn rivet]

and AM2R if you can get it

[solar jacinth]

thanks for advice gradow ill play em all

[weak lodge]

oh theres a reddit for am2r

its easy to get

[solar jacinth]

im so excited to play metoidvanias

[solemn rivet]

also, do give a shot at Ori

not my cup of tea, but many people do love it

[fair rampart]

lol go to photoshop

youll see how unsaturated it is

im getting a screen shot

[solar jacinth]

i was just downloading ori

[solemn rivet]

ngl, Grimm's sprites look

[weak lodge]

always wondered why his cloak just cuts off at the upper leg and not go down dracula style

probably for the magician style or whatever

also grimm's shoulders are nonexistent until he opens his cloak

[solemn rivet]

who needs shoulders anyway

not me

[fair rampart]

Wow he still has the cape spikes animation

I paint a lot i know colors

[weak lodge]

the color of his horns

[fair rampart]

the most top right red is the custom skin color

[weak lodge]

/ears

[fair rampart]

of molas

thats not saturated

anything else?

[weak lodge]

inner cloak

is entirely that color

[solemn rivet]

👀 as well

[fair rampart]

inner cloak? lemme show you

[cinder rampart]

how do i do with the hpbar.dll mod ?

[solemn rivet]

nothing

use this

[cinder rampart]

where i put it i mean

[solemn rivet]

^

[weak lodge]

also

all his pyrotechnics

[cinder rampart]

oh so i install the modinstaler

[solemn rivet]

yup

[frosty pier]

Can be anywhere at all just need to path it to hk steam folder

[solemn rivet]

and install mods from there

yupyup

[charred parrot]

Timer for fun.
https://gyazo.com/099e7d5d7f711c64e66afa4eea1883b1

[ornate rivet]

is this part of the game RikuMastuo was helping make

[cinder rampart]

what's the install path ? in hollow knight folder or in managed folder ?

[charred parrot]

I need to satisfy speedrunning urges

[solemn rivet]

the folder containing the exe

eww Igotlazy

tmi

[cinder rampart]

the mod installer exe or the mod.dll ?

[rain cedar]

Does your timer actually work?

[weak lodge]

cant wait for silksong though, saturated and alive

[solemn rivet]

the game's exe, argus

[fair rampart]

I didnt say it looked bad i just siad it was saturated

[rain cedar]

Because my immediate assumption for every in game timer is it doesn't work

[weak lodge]

is it rta timer or loadkess

[charred parrot]

@rain cedar 50/50

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[charred parrot]

I mean

eh?

[solar jacinth]

this photo somehow reminded me the past

[rain cedar]

Use Stopwatch tbh

[charred parrot]

and if you want to sit there for 99 minutes to get it to overflow you can do that

[rain cedar]

I don't trust Unity to have accurate timing

[solar jacinth]

the times when i tried to code a calculator

with c++

[solemn rivet]

is stopwatch reliable tho

[rain cedar]

Stopwatch is the most reliable timing class

[solemn rivet]

TIL

that's why I use it to calculate download speed on installer

not at all because someone else suggested it, nooo

that'd be silly

[charred parrot]

100% you fuck are going to find a bug somewhere

[fair rampart]

@weak lodge i didnt say the game wasnt saturated i said the character werent

[rain cedar]

I found one xd

[weak lodge]

wouldnt the playable character being more saturated be better to keep track of the character on screen anyway, plus it doesnt look bad and fits in perfectly especially in grimm troupe scenes

[solemn rivet]

don't say that

wtf

[charred parrot]

@rain cedar bruh I'll keel you

it's a good sprite

dont megathink me

[rain cedar]

I never said it was good or bad

It's a bug

[fair rampart]

they would but thats not the point. I was following ari's direction you have to make characters follow it to make it feel like its in place

[charred parrot]

well actually we're doing robots

[rain cedar]

Robot bug

[charred parrot]

this is a joke don't take it seriously

[fair rampart]

consistency makes a masterpiece

[solemn rivet]

here's a list of bugs

[fair rampart]

not just good pieces here and there

[rain cedar]

You missed

[solemn rivet]

I did

and a few others

but they are irrelevant tbh

[weak lodge]

if its that big of a problem then tell mola to change it himself? no one saw it out of place before so he didnt change it but if it's an issue you can tell him about it

[solemn rivet]

or

make your own spritesheet

[fair rampart]

its not i was giving my comments about the skin and other people were saying that it didnt look saturated

i diiiid

[solemn rivet]

then all is good

[fair rampart]

im just commenting on what people told me

yep sall goody

[weak lodge]

yea then its all good

[solemn rivet]

[fair rampart]

[weak lodge]

can i see some of your art by chance

[fair rampart]

me?

[weak lodge]

in #art-discussion or something not in modding

[solemn rivet]

sure you wanna see it? I'm the worst artist ever

[weak lodge]

yea

gradow

[solemn rivet]

[weak lodge]

im worse

[rain cedar]

im worse

[solemn rivet]

my master piece

[hazy sentinel]

woah did you use 2 whole sprites

[rain cedar]

my master piece

[solemn rivet]

indeed veru

[solar jacinth]

ancient tentacles

[solemn rivet]

me

[solar jacinth]

ik

that was your nick when i first met you

now i wanna ask ; why ?

[solemn rivet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ornate rivet]

new year in 24 more minutes!!

[mortal trout]

🤔

[brazen mortar]

Really?

[ornate rivet]

yes

[brazen mortar]

2020 so soon

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[solar jacinth]

what

even

[ornate rivet]

uncultured scum

56 would know

[solar jacinth]

ops sory

im not meme knight

[ornate rivet]

that's probably why he isn't here

[solar jacinth]

its cuz my main language isnt english

[ornate rivet]

but I was serious

[solar jacinth]

at what

nice pfp btw

[copper nacelle]

what type of new year

it's not the chinese or the islamic

oh persian

okay

[ornate rivet]

don't people in pakistan celebrate nowruz

[solemn rivet]

til 56 is a chinese/islamic hybrid

[copper nacelle]

Idk

I don't even celebrate the islamic new year

[solar jacinth]

islamic hybird

[solemn rivet]

56

forget you ever played RW and stream it again

it was fun watching you struggle

[ornate rivet]

I didn't know there was an islamic new year

[copper nacelle]

I need to do a hunter stream at some point

[solar jacinth]

there is a calendar

[solemn rivet]

how about now

[solar jacinth]

of islamics

[copper nacelle]

[ornate rivet]

I thought the persian calendar and that were the same

[solar jacinth]

but no country uses in these days

excep for arabian i guess ?

[solemn rivet]

hmmm

where u from sugar?

[solar jacinth]

turkey

[rain cedar]

monkaJail

[solar jacinth]

ah come on

[solemn rivet]

ngl

when I was young I thought Turkey was Peru

[solar jacinth]

they always do that joke when i tell where i am

[cunning lagoon]

wow and i thought i had original jokes

[solemn rivet]

because "turkey" means "peru" in portuguese

[cunning lagoon]

wtf

[rain cedar]

2iq language

[cunning lagoon]

cursed language

[hollow pier]

lixo language

[solemn rivet]

this bad boi

peru in portuguese

I saw that

[hollow pier]

eu vi isso

[solemn rivet]

no u

[solar jacinth]

ur hornet is gay

[solemn rivet]

[solar jacinth]

why did i type that

[solemn rivet]

at least it's not void

[fair rampart]

ok so in the sprite sheet packs theres no original sprites

does someone have those? i need to change some horns

i have thk horns lol

[charred parrot]

is this the edge-y mod?

the knight looks high out of his mind

[winter veldt]

there are hk mods??!!!

[charred parrot]

impossiboru

[fair rampart]

you guys can be comedians

a dynamic duo

[dusky lion]

There are no hk mods

[weak lodge]

hk modding is a conspiracy

Only way to reveal the truth is recite the sacred code “ay papa”

[fair rampart]

ok so just disable enable the mod to get the original

thanks guys

[weary trout]

wow thats pretty cool moo

what are you trying to do in the mod?

[fair rampart]

change the horns

i used thk skin to create my own

i didnt notice the horns were different

[lofty frigate]

they look better though

[fair rampart]

yeah they do but i just wanna see what the og horns look with my skin too

[weary trout]

oh i drr

[dusky lion]

Ay papa

[charred parrot]

stupid ass unity not sensing my stupid ass joycons

stupid ass bluetooth

[rain cedar]

🤔

[charred parrot]

lost my xbox controller

hating life atm

[trim totem]

just use keyboard and mouse

[dusky lion]

^

[charred parrot]

no u

[dusky lion]

I already do

[charred parrot]

buttons don't match values in the docs

alright nintendo

nvm boys got it working

fuck you nintendo

[jovial vault]

Hahahaha feel my pain

[charred parrot]

Ok fuckos

got a demo

who want to play

[jovial vault]

send it here ig?

i'm studying rn but ill look at it in a bit

[dusky lion]

Me

[charred parrot]

Its too big to send through discord. I feel bad about teasing just now but I think I want to let the main guys test it out first.

Will send after.

[dusky lion]

That’s okay I couldn’t play it until 3 more days anyways

[jovial vault]

gl dude

[charred parrot]

also keep in mind it looks like shit everything is placeholder boxes save the player sprite, which is also relatively low quality

[jovial vault]

that's fine as long as it plays ok

[dusky lion]

I want my momentum conserving wall jump

[charred parrot]

well... my wall jump is a bit smoother than HK's wall jump

but I wouldnt really call it momentum conserving

If my version is anything it's more... smooth I guess.

Knockback and movement in HK is really sharp.

[dusky lion]

I want my [feature]

[jovial vault]

with a few added things like bash etc

and upwards dashing

[charred parrot]

and diagonal dashing

we Celeste now

[jovial vault]

haha look at this nerd making hk into celeste

FUCK i was slow

[charred parrot]

just take all the cool shit from all the popular platformers

[jovial vault]

i mean that is how you come up with new stuff

[dusky lion]

Add

Uh

Sekiro

[jovial vault]

lmk if you ever need art-related things i can code as well as a brick tbh

add all of icono in

[dusky lion]

Just add sekiro

The entire game into it

[charred parrot]

code as well as a brick

does that mean good because a brick is sturdy

or bad because bricks dont code

[jovial vault]

both depending on how much alcohol ive had

[charred parrot]

fair fair

wtf is Sekiro

[dusky lion]

I’ve only gotten drunk once and that was off red wine

Shit’s wild

[civic hare]

camilla confirmed wine mom

[dusky lion]

A what?

[fair rampart]

hey guys the boop mod isnt working

no one in modding-help is replying so

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[fair rampart]

is it dead?

[rain cedar]

Probably

[fair rampart]

rip version 0.0.1

[rain cedar]

It's really simple so it probably just needs to be compiled again

[jovial vault]

yeah it hasn't been updated i think

ye

[rain cedar]

Against the newest game version

[fair rampart]

[glossy pelican]

@rain cedar Actually, you are @rain cedar

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

@charred parrot send

[charred parrot]

#soon

just keep in mind though that I don't have controllers set up atm

I need to do some specific stuff for Vault to manage inputs properly

keyboard and mouse is the current set up

[solemn rivet]

[charred parrot]

also

do your best to break it

k thanks

[leaden hedge]

just claim any bugs are just emergent gameplay features

[solemn rivet]

can I smash it against a wall

does that count as breaking it

[fair rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477859550133747712/558048352869285908/unknown.png
corpses freezing midair like they're some kind of action heroes
It's a feature™

[floral furnace]

wow is this guild wars 2 /s

[charred parrot]

@leaden hedge I can only do that... eeeh 2 more times max.

[marsh sapphire]

Is it ok that the shrinkening charm in lightbringer can get you out of bounds?

[solemn rivet]

if you think it's ok, then it's ok

[marsh sapphire]

I'm not sure)

[solemn rivet]

tell us when you've made a decision

[marsh sapphire]

Ok it allows for cheese and probably skips so I'm more than fine with it

[charred parrot]

does dash and double jump get refreshed on wall jump or just clinging to a wall

[floral furnace]

for vanilla hk?

[solemn rivet]

in vanilla HK there's no wall jump without cling, I don't think

[mossy pike]

yeah but you can stop clinging a wall without jumping

so yeah, dash and double jump get refreshed on clinging alone

[charred parrot]

what I mean is just the act of the knight sliding against the all is what refreshes the movement abilities

not the physical act of jumping off

[floral furnace]

yes

[solemn rivet]

oh right

yeah

[floral furnace]

since you can just jump on a wall then you can dash immediately while on that wall without needing to jump (what the fuck is this sentence even)

[solemn rivet]

basically doing anything other than falling in the air refreshes jumps

indeed TTacco

wtf

[floral furnace]

wtv lore implication or something

[solemn rivet]

but hitting enemies with your nail, pogoing, touching ground or clinging to walls

I think those refresh jumps

I could open dnspy and check

but

effort

[charred parrot]

just wanted to confirm that since I only had it on jump

you know I probably should put a soft cooldown on the dash just to stop spamming

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[leaden hedge]

pretty sure hollow knight has a hard cooldown on it

[charred parrot]

but that's boring

why do that when you can have multi directional dashes interrupt other multi directional dashes

[solemn rivet]

this

blackmoth does that

unintentionally

[jovial vault]

when its both a bug and a feature

[charred parrot]

should I make it so jumping can cancel the dash?

[young walrus]

Try it out

[charred parrot]

that would be pretty gnarly

literally everything could cancel into eachother at that point

[solemn rivet]

can you cancel a cancel into a cancel tho

that'd be sick tbh

[young walrus]

just keep canceling everything

stuttering around

[solemn rivet]

but you're cancelling the cancel tho

so you don't actually get to cancel

[young walrus]

[leaden hedge]

Jump cancelling a dash should give you a bunch of velocity

And dashes over a certain velocity should add to your speed instead of setting it

[solemn rivet]

make dash speed additive

so if you dash continuously you eventually reach the speed of light

[charred parrot]

That’s a no

[solemn rivet]

bully

can I mod blackmoth into your game

[dusky lion]

yËs

[charred parrot]

The hell is Blackmoth

[solemn rivet]

y u gotta h8 m8

[charred parrot]

no I legit dont know what that is

[solemn rivet]

[charred parrot]

you can only kill through dashing?

[dusky lion]

Mod db

[solemn rivet]

[queen blaze]

Which mod do I need to save Myla and have her move to Dirtmouth?

[solemn rivet]

:Acceptance:

[dusky lion]

Chaos mod

[charred parrot]

Which mod do I need to have Myla start as a Husk so I dont need to deal with her stupid ass singing?

bugs that sing are dumb anyway

bugs that have copious amounts of bells are the 'in' thing

should I add that dumb ass "breaking your fucking knees" thing when you drop far enough?

[dusky lion]

Only if you add idrop and then patch it out in a later update

[charred parrot]

was that a thing?

@jovial vault wait u do da art?

[jovial vault]

yee

[charred parrot]

can I see

[jovial vault]

i have some hk fanart actually i should send it here

[charred parrot]

toss it in art gallery I guess

or else the art mods will come out from the woodworks

[jovial vault]

ok done

[charred parrot]

shit man dats pretty good

[jovial vault]

ty!

[charred parrot]

theres such a high concentration of good artists on this server

its kinda nutty

[jovial vault]

yea honestly

[charred parrot]

Like there are better artists here than on game dev servers

[jovial vault]

LMAO honestly

i lurk a lot of those servers and a lot of people are like hello i have 10 years of professional coding experience yet i can't draw a stick figure

and relatable but opposite

[charred parrot]

that's pretty much me

just not... 10 years

more like 2

and not professional I'm self taught

even better are the people who come in saying they've got an idea but have no coding or art skills

I was like that once

[jovial vault]

tbh learning coding by yourself is pretty rewarding

[charred parrot]

it is

I honestly believe coding is a lot easier to learn than art, not just due to time and all that, but because you're able to "feel good" about what you make a lot sooner

[jovial vault]

oh yeah definitely art is a much bigger time commitment w/ less results

[charred parrot]

To someone starting out just writing a hello world program is enough to make you feel like a god

meanwhile you can do months of art and still not feel like you're making solid stuff

[jovial vault]

definitely

also you can pull apart games and programs and that helps you a lot

what am i going to do with this painting

rip it and eat it and hope i get something

actually i should try that

[buoyant obsidian]

I'd say art relies a bit more than talent too

[charred parrot]

originally I tried learning coding by looking at HK

bad

idea

[buoyant obsidian]

I know practice is the main thing but some people were literally born much better artists than others

[jovial vault]

ye true

[charred parrot]

I've seen people who have drawn for years and just... can't evolve

[jovial vault]

also lmao i got into modding w/ hk and i was like oh wow! what a fun game, can't wait to see how it's written and :^)

[charred parrot]

meanwhile I've seen people with 2 years of art experience who are literal gods at age 15

[jovial vault]

56 probably

[charred parrot]

HK: "If two dudes in Australia can do it, so can I".

Galaxy Brain Move call the fangame Hungry Knight 2

[copper nacelle]

no I suck at art

Even my stick figure is below average

[rain cedar]

Same

Programming is trivial though

Anyone can do it if they actually try

Takes like 5min to learn the basic syntax of a language and the rest is stack overflow and problem solving

[brazen mortar]

56 remake Pale Prince but completely reskinned and redrawn

[trim totem]

you need an art person for that

[charred parrot]

just acquire art skills

ez

[brazen mortar]

i would looooove to see some 56 art

[dusky lion]

^

[fair rampart]

Hey mola remember when you said you'd redraw PV as PP in order to gain 56's love

I remember

[charred parrot]

let me find my HK OC

there we go

the full extent of my art scills

[brazen mortar]

well jngo i also said when i have long enough of a break

which uh currently is not the case ehehe

[ornate rivet]

hmm

is there a specific reason why when I set the velocity of something it does not move at all

[floral furnace]

isnt this the same issue for you like way way before

[ornate rivet]

yea I remember something similar happening before

not sure how I fixed it

[floral furnace]

i think it was either a typo or you had the wrong method

but i barely remember it

[ornate rivet]

oh this has nothing to do with fsms

This time I've made a new GO and given it a SpriteRenderer and a RigidBody2D

[floral furnace]

ahhh i see

youre using the AddVelocity method?

[ornate rivet]

no

rgb2d.velocity = new vector2(10f,0f);

[floral furnace]

is this on the update?

[ornate rivet]

no

[floral furnace]

no wait, wouldnt this just set the vector into the same position?

[ornate rivet]

it's in a coroutine

[floral furnace]

since its the same as just putting a
"X = 5" in a loop

instead of i dunno "X += 5" i guess

[ornate rivet]

but I'm setting the velocity

not position

[floral furnace]

oh my bad then

well checked my own source but it seems to be same way as how youre doing it, cept its on a FixedUpdate, my only bet is either that rgb2d doesnt have its reference set up properly or the couroutine wasnt called

just my 0.02 cent guess

[ornate rivet]

well there's a Log before and after it and both of those run

probably the rgb2d not having a reference setup correctly

[solemn rivet]

I'm living proof of that tbh

[hazy sentinel]

hi living proof of that tbh

[solemn rivet]

hi

nice to meet you

people here are so nice

[hollow pier]

😍

[vital scaffold]

i didn't realize how overpowered redwing was until i beat the game under five hours in steel soul difficulty while overcharmed the entire way

[charred parrot]

I'm sorry friends but I had to remove the ability to cancel dashes with other dashes

it was

too much

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[charred parrot]

the issue is that you can dash directly up

and since dashing resets on walls cling

you could hug a wall, dash up, turn away and then back to the wall very quickly, and then dash again

[rain cedar]

I don't really see how that's an issue

You can also just wall jump all the way up, yeah?

[charred parrot]

you could climb walls by button mashing at an extreme fucking speed

[leaden hedge]

oh no you don't have to slowly climb the wall

[rain cedar]

So it doesn't sequence break anything it's just faster

[leaden hedge]

remove jumping off the wall

make you have to crawl up it at 1pixel per second

[charred parrot]

Game Designers: This can be abused. I should remove it.
Speedrunners: No stop.

[leaden hedge]

can't even be abused

[rain cedar]

That's like saying jumping up a ladder is abuse

[leaden hedge]

its literally just faster

[rain cedar]

So we should remove jumping from ladders

Only allow them off the ladder at the very top or bottom

[charred parrot]

I mean it's not good for platforming

since you need to slow down

or you diiiiiiie

but

[leaden hedge]

neither are wall climbs

[charred parrot]

does HK wall jump have this "grace" period where if you turn away from the wall but still click jump you still wall jump

[rain cedar]

I don't think so

[leaden hedge]

wall jumping should be based on distance to the wall

not based on if you're actually in the wall cling state

[rain cedar]

Yeah that's how it is in hk

You can jump off a wall you're next to but not sliding on

[charred parrot]

wait distance and whether you're facing

or just... distance

[leaden hedge]

it should be just distance, I dunno how hk does it

[rain cedar]

For hk you can face away and I've never had an issue with that

[charred parrot]

raycast time

[leaden hedge]

holding away breaking it would be super janky

[charred parrot]

hmm?

[leaden hedge]

if you're trying to hold away to get a max distance jump off the wall

instead of jumping back to the wall

[charred parrot]

but if it's distance based isnt there always going to be some "optimal" distance from the wall to jump off from?

[leaden hedge]

i just mean the inputs

if you're trying to jump to the right, and the wall is on the left

you're going to press right + jump

if you want to fix optimal distance you can just set the players pos at the start of walljump as wallposition + maxDistance

[charred parrot]

couldnt that yank the player back a bit graphically?

[leaden hedge]

it'd only push them forward

[charred parrot]

oh I see what you mean

could still look a bit odd

unless you really go at it

[leaden hedge]

probably not

unless your wall jump velocity is way less than your distance

you could do it the other way too, and just bind the player to wall

which would make your animations line up nicer

[charred parrot]

I think HK does bind the player to the wall

at least it feels like that

[leaden hedge]

no

[rain cedar]

I think he means like in the messenger

[charred parrot]

no?

[leaden hedge]

cause you can airdash off air

[rain cedar]

Very different

[leaden hedge]

and I dunno what wall its binding you to there

but that might just be bugs with moving objects

[charred parrot]

I had Swathe's hurtbox be a cylinder while having a boxcollider be how she acted with the environment. Bad idea.

[leaden hedge]

unitys collision system sucks

[charred parrot]

It wans't a collision issue

[leaden hedge]

and you should also pretty much never use anything that isn't a rectangle

[charred parrot]

it was a dumbass issue

[leaden hedge]

i mean sounds like a unity issue

for giving you the choice

[charred parrot]

lol

basically the curves made it so if you were at the edge spikes couldnt reach her hurtbox

swapping it to a rectangle

like a normal person

[leaden hedge]

the annoying thing about unity is they have some stupid assumption that you only want one hitbox per object

so it you want actual hitboxes that aren't garbage

[charred parrot]

which is

sooooo

dumb

omni dumb

[leaden hedge]

you gotta make a bunch of ojects

[charred parrot]

like as a platformer whatever you can survive on boxes and circles

[leaden hedge]

and then you gotta add more shit to those objects to say what type of hitbox they are

[charred parrot]

but more complicated things

like a fighter?

good lord

you need some custom shit

like dynamic polygon colliders or something idk

[leaden hedge]

nah

[charred parrot]

well thats just saddening

[leaden hedge]

you need to seperate your hitboxes

into pushbox, hitbox and hurtbox

[charred parrot]

they are

its just the hurtbox is on the same layer as the ground

so it got caught

[leaden hedge]

so its not seperated

[charred parrot]

no u

[fair rampart]

hey btw is lightbringer compatible with current hk now?

[hollow hearth]

Yes.

[rancid echo]

Where do I get health bar mod?

And how do I do mods tho?

[glacial panther]

download a mod manager and then use it to enable mods

if I can do it, literally anyone can

[rancid echo]

Wait

[glacial panther]

except I can't anymore because my PC is a piece of shit

[rancid echo]

Is it like Tmodloader for terraria?

[glacial panther]

kinda, except one of them just has a list of every available mod and you click a box

because there's not a whole ton of them

[rancid echo]

Is there a mod browser in the mod manager?

[glacial panther]

there's multiple mod managers but I've only used the one that doesn't have one

it basically acts like if you typed "all of the mods" into the mod browser

and if that was a thing that would work

[rancid echo]

Also

What do I do with the mod installer

[glacial panther]

what do you mean

[rancid echo]

I got the mod installer

[glacial panther]

actually maybe you should go to #archived-modding-help at this point

[solemn rivet]

Use it

[rancid echo]

Just double click?

So I just double click it in downloads

[solemn rivet]

Yeah

It's an exe, what else would you do with it?

[rancid echo]

Wait

Do I have to press ModInstaller to open the mod api?

[solemn rivet]

Wut

[rancid echo]

I mean the browser

[solemn rivet]

Just run the installer

[rancid echo]

I did

[solemn rivet]

And?

[rancid echo]

I got the hp bar mod

[solemn rivet]

...

What's the issue then?

[rancid echo]

How do I open it again?

[solemn rivet]

Just run it again

[rancid echo]

I just press it again?

Oh

Great

[solemn rivet]

If you have further questions, please ask them in modding-help

[dusky lion]

NOTED

[jovial vault]

camilla your name

[solar jacinth]

is edgy

[dusky lion]

is it

[solemn rivet]

I mean, it's 2B expected

...

[dusky lion]

…

[solemn rivet]

Sorry

I don't know where that came from

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[jovial vault]

[fair rampart]

What does the RandoMapMod?

[solar jacinth]

randomizes the map

[solemn rivet]

Wait, did someone code that already?

[fair rampart]

I remember a prototype was made. was a finished version really made?

[solar jacinth]

@fair rampart where did you see that

[young walrus]

no prototype was made

The room mapping is just done. waiting for a prototype now

from whoever wants to make it in a year

[solemn rivet]

I can't, not this semester

Teaching etc

[solar jacinth]

are you a teacher

[solemn rivet]

Yeah

As part of my uni's phd program, students have to teach two undergrad courses before they can get their degrees

[solar jacinth]

oh cool

[unborn flicker]

I thought the randomapmod was some kind of ingame tracker

[young walrus]

^

[unborn flicker]

That's not a very clear name though

[solar jacinth]

it is

[young walrus]

it puts pins on the map for items that can be checked

or something like that

[leaden hedge]

its a map for randomod 🤔

[solar jacinth]

wtf

[leaden hedge]

map rando would be called that

"map rando"

[unborn flicker]

ok, so randomodmap and maprandomod make sense

but randomapmod is out there

[young walrus]

pretty sure map rando mod is going to be room rando

[leaden hedge]

randomodmapmodmod

[young walrus]

so there won't be a maprandomod

but maybe there will be a map mod for that mod eventually which'll be the maprandomodmap

[solemn rivet]

rapmangomod

[leaden hedge]

not if i make a room rando

then called it maprandomod

[dusky lion]

my eyes

[left pond]

Hello! I just joined the discord, i was wandering if there is any way to apply some kind of healthbars to the game?

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[left pond]

thanks!

[solemn rivet]

If only they were all this easy

[rain cedar]

We need commands for all the common problems

"where my installer download at"

;howthefuckshouldiknow

[vivid crag]

Imagine enemy randomizer but it randomizes every item

[solemn rivet]

Oh please

[cunning lagoon]

imagine item randomizer but it randomizes every enemy

[solemn rivet]

That's what I've always dreamed of sean

[vivid crag]

Imagine having a enemy randomizer that isn't broken

[cunning lagoon]

man

if only

[vivid crag]

An*

[rain cedar]

Coming early 2019

To a discord server near you

[solemn rivet]

Can we please get that command

[hollow pier]

this one?

[solemn rivet]

[rain cedar]

Sure I can put it there first

[hollow pier]

[cunning lagoon]

[rain cedar]

I need to figure out the least amount of rooms to load to get every enemy

I also need to figure out where tf the colo enemies come from

[cunning lagoon]

cells

[rain cedar]

what

[solemn rivet]

Hells

[hollow pier]

yells

[cunning lagoon]

they come out of cells

[rain cedar]

lutka

[cunning lagoon]

that me

[rain cedar]

huora

[copper nacelle]

prostituoitu

[copper nacelle]

homssantuu

luuska

[hollow pier]

یوسف

ইউসুফ

[copper nacelle]

it be

[hollow pier]

优素福

[brazen mortar]

I saw that jngo

racism

[copper nacelle]

is this as racist as my bullying was bullying

[brazen mortar]

No jngo did the big delete

[fair rampart]

Would you mind providing the translation

[copper nacelle]

ok but what did it say

[brazen mortar]

Also I’m sure you meant to spell prosciutto

[fair rampart]

I was just typing random characters into my Chinese keyboard

I am innocent

[vivid crag]

[brazen mortar]

jngo I know the literal translation is black ghost but you know better than that

[ornate rivet]

wow I know how unity's gravity works now
Physics2D.gravity is the vector that unity uses as gravity
gameObject.GetComponent<Rigidbody2D>().gravityScale is used to scale that value for a specific GO

this helps so much, why didn't you tell me this before 56

[fair rampart]

Mola is racist against African American spirits

[rain cedar]

Excuse me saleh you're interrupting this conversation with pointless modding talk

[ornate rivet]

yes

hopefully I won't get muted

r

[copper nacelle]

ok mr 20 second loads

[brazen mortar]

What channel do you think this is? #archived-modding-development?

[ornate rivet]

roasted

[brazen mortar]

Anyways jngo no more racism I will kick you in the balls and decimate your chances of having children

[fair rampart]

yes please

I despise resectable people of Asian origin

[copper nacelle]

saleh why don't you load things when the game launches

[ornate rivet]

because it doesn't work

it only works with once scene

if I try more than 1, it stops working

that's why I load Colosseum stuff when the game launches and everything else at save time in PC

[weak lodge]

It just works?

[dusky lion]

sean bean

[copper nacelle]

that's a literal lie

[ornate rivet]

it's true

[copper nacelle]

sean's new enemy rando loads more than one

[ornate rivet]

well the way I am doing it is must be bad then

[copper nacelle]

dingo dongo your opinion is factually incorrect

[ornate rivet]

once I finish adding everything to pale champion, I will spend time cleaning it up and fixing the loading

I said that to myself with DoH but this time I actually will

can c# do modulus with decimals

[ornate rivet]

cool

this makes no sense, why does the y velocity go from 30 to 0 then acts normal after that

[copper nacelle]

it hit something

[ornate rivet]

ahh you're right, the oblobbleles arena has a dumb thing at the top

[solar jacinth]

hirungolve how is multiplayer mod is going

[ornate rivet]

56 is the one making the multiplayer mod

[copper nacelle]

ok mr contributor

[ornate rivet]

I am just a contributor, but I want to finish pale champion first so I haven't worked on it

[solar jacinth]

i thought you both were working on it

56 how is multiplayer mod going

[copper nacelle]

the last time I touched it was shortly after Saleh worked on it

[ornate rivet]

so

[solar jacinth]

i remember that

[solemn rivet]

Who wants to implement free cdash for blackmoth for me

[copper nacelle]