archived-modding-development

[solemn rivet]

Play bonfire

[olive drum]

YES

[solemn rivet]

[olive drum]

GOOD

SPEND EVERYTHING IN LUCK AND DEX

[jovial vault]

Lightbringers better so :/

[olive drum]

idk

[solemn rivet]

Ur mum

[olive drum]

i dont like a lot the reduced nail damage

[jovial vault]

ok mom

[dusky lion]

Hello gradow i just heard about this really cool hollow knight mod called bonfire and i really think you should try it

[young walrus]

gradow, play mod installer

[solemn rivet]

[jovial vault]

galaxy brain

[olive drum]

gradow

show me more

of your good mdos

enlighten me

[young walrus]

good mdos

[olive drum]

mdos

[solemn rivet]

I'll show you my everything daddy

[olive drum]

uwu

[fair rampart]

Hi guys did you know that hollow knight had mods

[dusky lion]

[solemn rivet]

Btw finch

I stand by my statement

[dusky lion]

Play nier

[solemn rivet]

Zestiria's combat is shit

I only have automata tho

[olive drum]

When you use sharp shadow to get into the void heart area without kingsoul

[dusky lion]

Give me nier automata

[solemn rivet]

No

[dusky lion]

FfatthynegavFbsvwthtmu

[solemn rivet]

I would but I'm a teacher

So I'm broke af

[dusky lion]

What do you teach

[solemn rivet]

U already know

[olive drum]

enemy hp bar is very good

[young walrus]

you're a teacher? nice, teach furry-chan why mods do wacky shit

[olive drum]

should be in vanilla hk

[young walrus]

no

[olive drum]

yes

its

güd

[solemn rivet]

I played with it a bit once I made it

But then it got kinda boring

[young walrus]

the power of immersion in HK would be vastly lessened by vanilla hp bars

[olive drum]

im not a furry i swear

[solemn rivet]

It kinda breaks immersion for me

[olive drum]

i like it

[young walrus]

good for you

[dusky lion]

My memory has been eviscerated after not sleeping for 3 days so I can remember very little things

[olive drum]

yes

[young walrus]

that's why it's a mod

and not in vanilla game

cuz it'd wreck the world TC made

[dusky lion]

Nyaa

[solemn rivet]

Play rando tho

Das good shit

[young walrus]

room rando when

[solemn rivet]

Oh yeah

We still haven't touched that, have we

[olive drum]

what is the best thing to invest in bonfire

[solemn rivet]

Nothing

[dusky lion]

A better mod

[olive drum]

im doing my usual dark souls and spending all in l u c k

[dusky lion]

.

[solemn rivet]

Bonfire is shit mod

[olive drum]

didnt you like

make it

[solemn rivet]

Your point?

Don't you know how many parents hate their kids?

Same thing

[young walrus]

all of them

[dusky lion]

Teach em good Gradow

[young walrus]

100% of parents

[olive drum]

i mean

at least it works

[solemn rivet]

Kinda

[dusky lion]

But do you want it to work

[young walrus]

"at least it works" (another thing you can't say about all kids)

[olive drum]

bonfire autistic?

[solemn rivet]

I want tales of vesperia to magically appear on my steam library

[unborn flicker]

I'll be free after tomorrow to do more work on room rando, by the way. If there's any more non-coding things I could do to help out

[young walrus]

nah. they just need to code it now

😛

[dusky lion]

I want nier automata, Metal Gear Rising and dark souls 3 to magically appear on my steam library

[young walrus]

then QA test it

[unborn flicker]

They need to do a lot, tbh, though

[young walrus]

that's back on us

[solemn rivet]

But we need people who know the game to actually suggest stuff too

[young walrus]

which is the dev/QA loop

[solemn rivet]

What should and shouldn't be in logic etc

[young walrus]

but we need the dev part first

we can't QA test nothing

😛

are we becoming graig?

[solemn rivet]

K, off to class now

[unborn flicker]

I'm also a little worried, that because of the decisions I had to make while writing the logic, stuff will get lost in transcription.
Not that any of it will be hard to fix I guess

[young walrus]

[unborn flicker]

[young walrus]

the first draft of the actual mod will be shit

but it'll become clear really quick while playing it what needs to be addressed

[unborn flicker]

true

is the room transition pastebin yours?

[young walrus]

the one with the transition names?

in my pin?

[unborn flicker]

yeah

[young walrus]

Sean compiled that from the game

[buoyant obsidian]

I want the winning lottery numbers to magically appear in my steam library

[unborn flicker]

It isn't updated for godmaster, so I had to guess transition names for a few rooms

Also, a few transitions are just missing, like menderbug, tram doors, etc

[young walrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn flicker]

pretty much

[young walrus]

they'll figure it out

[weak lodge]

I want bee simulator to appear in my steam library

[brazen mortar]

does traitor lord have phases?

[solar jacinth]

my shade knight custom knight was about to fiinish, then i accidently delete it
i have to do it all again

[brazen mortar]

like does he do the shockwave attacks only after reaching an hp threshold?

[cunning lagoon]

@copper nacelle go fsm man

[rain cedar]

Throw is always but he can only do it after doing a normal attack

Slam is a rare chance during cooldown when under 500 hp

[brazen mortar]

oooh cool

normal attack as in dash or down-slash?

[rain cedar]

Either

Has to do at least one of those between throws

[brazen mortar]

ok so no chaining throws

and slam is a cooldown attack so also right after another attack?

[rain cedar]

Throw isn't right after the normal attacks

It just can't happen unless one has happened since the last throw

[brazen mortar]

oh ok

[rain cedar]

It shouldn't ever happen if you're close to the boss

Which lines up with my experience

[brazen mortar]

yeah

slam should be able to happen at any distance i think

[rain cedar]

Yeah

It's a 1/5 chance with the extra condition that it always happens on the 5th attempt if it didn't before that

[brazen mortar]

so every 5 attacks it has to be a slam?

[rain cedar]

Yeah, after the hp threshold

And it looks like if you're too close when he goes for the slam he'll back up a bit

But only once

Then he goes for the slam no matter what

[brazen mortar]

cool cool

[rain cedar]

7 units is too close

If that means anything to you

[brazen mortar]

uh ill just go with using knight measurements

"how many knights' heights distance"

[copper nacelle]

BoxCollider2D Size: (0.5, 1.3)

[rain cedar]

ah fsm man is here

Perfect I can stop being useful

[copper nacelle]

[young walrus]

walking speed is 8.3 units per second. so basically walk for a second, and that's how far

[rain cedar]

Thank you mickely very cool

[copper nacelle]

ah Mickely is here

Perfect I can stop being useful

[rain cedar]

#archived-modding-help is mick domain

Green names have to be useful here

[young walrus]

I am the buffer between the modders and the general populace

until they drive me nuts

[rain cedar]

Thank you for your service

[solar jacinth]

why mickely has no green name

[rain cedar]

Fastest 3 megathinks I've ever seen

[solar jacinth]

he deserves it

[rain cedar]

4th one was a bit slow though

[young walrus]

cuz i don't code. I just QA test and answer questions

[solar jacinth]

im surprised

[young walrus]

the custom knight mod I wrote was basically just sean telling me what to do

and he just redid it anyways

[solar jacinth]

cool

if you learn coding , you get a green name ?

[copper nacelle]

no

[solar jacinth]

why

[charred parrot]

I know coding

can I get a green name

[copper nacelle]

for the same reason making art doesn't get you a purple name

[solar jacinth]

so you have to make a mod

[rain cedar]

still no

[solar jacinth]

how then

[charred parrot]

You have to sacrifice yourself to Benji

[rain cedar]

It got renamed from modder to modding staff to prevent this and it's still happening NotLikeThis

[cunning lagoon]

i just shitpost here can i have a green name

[rain cedar]

Same

[solar jacinth]

what do you need to do to get a green name

[cunning lagoon]

submit a mod

[brazen mortar]

what do you mean @copper nacelle this is a perfect form of measurement

[young walrus]

Also, I have no use for a green name

[brazen mortar]

also thanks so much for the help! @rain cedar

[young walrus]

it's just a color

[copper nacelle]

holy fuck why

[young walrus]

this is how the imperial system came into being

[cunning lagoon]

you do also get to pin things accidentally on phone

so it does have its benefits

[rain cedar]

this is true

[young walrus]

Radiance is 6.7 knights high

[cunning lagoon]

manlet

[young walrus]

the conversion from knights to cm is not known

[rain cedar]

That looks more like 6.5 knights to me

[young walrus]

that's what I said

6

[rain cedar]

Yeah sure you did

[young walrus]

Though.... it's modding "staff" now, not just modders. So..... don't need to be a modder to be on the staff.....

[rain cedar]

You have a better chance of it than angle at least

Mainly because you don't complain that everyone hates you whenever the role is mentioned

[young walrus]

I don't have a snarky comeback for that one

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

Better start making a mod then

You ruined your chances

[young walrus]

oh damn, would you look at that. Sean just lost to Yote

[rain cedar]

Oh I see how it is

I can abuse my powers too

Take that

[cunning lagoon]

🦀 mick is gone 🦀

[hollow pier]

that's really impressive mick you just made the things that will never happen mod

[young walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/angle-milk-kurt-gif-8146001

[rain cedar]

You have an unhealthy obsession with pouring milk on people

[hollow pier]

[young walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/441521707967184896/547471605253799988/HornetJustice.gif

https://tenor.com/view/andy-dwyer-chris-pratt-parks-and-rec-gatorade-gif-8395028

[rain cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_GsGGiNw8

[young walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/milk-gif-6063969

[solar jacinth]

wtf

[young walrus]

🍆

[glossy jungle]

it me

[young walrus]

you're the kid?

[glossy jungle]

im the white cascade

[charred parrot]

Post memes in Art Discussion:
Art Mods: "Please keep memes to the meme channel."
Post memes in Modding
Modding Mods: "I sleep."

[rain cedar]

It's not like we have real power here anyway

If someone is being a shitter I'm not gonna stick around and delete everything they say

[charred parrot]

well ya because you're a Speedrunning mod

[young walrus]

you just @ the mods for that shit

or whine to simo

[charred parrot]

this is beyond your domain of influence

[young walrus]

pass on the headache

[charred parrot]

No

shush

[hollow pier]

well yeah but sean you're a racer

so you do not have modding staff perms

[cunning lagoon]

how can a man have this many roles

[young walrus]

How can a man have this many rolls?

[glossy jungle]

why can't i hold all these rolls cancels

[cunning lagoon]

just submit a run

[hollow pier]

you could have tons of roles in roll cancels too

[cunning lagoon]

so many roles

[hollow pier]

so is xero a kb gamer yet do we remove kb role

[copper nacelle]

so many roles

[cunning lagoon]

he said he was gonna swap after sekichi

or whatever

[copper nacelle]

who

[rain cedar]

after what

[hollow pier]

sekichi 😩

sekiro

[cunning lagoon]

the new game thats coming out

yeah that

[copper nacelle]

dark souls 4 Pog

[rain cedar]

Can't wait to play it in 2 years when it's $10

[young walrus]

Why get it at a reduced price when you can get it for full price?

[hollow pier]

u know the real goal of roll cancels is to get rid of all your idiot roles

unless you are one of the 3 admins and can just remove them anyways

[copper nacelle]

idk add emotes idiot is pretty nice

[cunning lagoon]

yeah you gotta work to have the least amount of roles possible

risky's winning

[hollow pier]

also winning in least messages sent

[copper nacelle]

😔

[cunning lagoon]

xero was ahead at that at some point

but now he actually communicatres with is

[hollow pier]

there fixed

[cunning lagoon]

perfect

[rain cedar]

The bot is winning in least roles

[hollow pier]

FUCK rythm

[cunning lagoon]

shit you are right

FUCK rythm

📭

[hollow pier]

fixed

[hazy sentinel]

horrible bot terrible bot no good bot very bad bot

[copper nacelle]

time to finally diff the linux/windows assemblies

[cunning lagoon]

finally!

the time has come

[copper nacelle]

why

[hollow pier]

that is not your name yosof

[charred parrot]

dont forget your credit card number and the 3 magic numbers on the back

[copper nacelle]

Hello

[young walrus]

hello

[copper nacelle]

InControl stuff is fucked

The important thing seems to be the change of InControl.Native

[solemn rivet]

the day has come

[dusky lion]

Hi

[solemn rivet]

deliver us from our pains, Lord Shepperd 56

[ornate rivet]

what does the game call these

[cunning lagoon]

spike

[ornate rivet]

no

[cunning lagoon]

not with that attitude

[brazen mortar]

Tactical spike

[ornate rivet]

White_ Spikes is this

[brazen mortar]

Yes those spikes are white

Indeed

[ornate rivet]

the ones from before were white too sigh

very descriptive name tc

[charred parrot]

the naming of some of the assets is.... interesting

[ornate rivet]

I dont want to load another wp scene

[rain cedar]

I'll name ur assets

[cunning lagoon]

sometimes you gotta work for the things you want

[charred parrot]

Name my assets for me senpai

[ornate rivet]

I was hoping mola would have the name of all game objects memorized

very unfortunate

[charred parrot]

every last one

[brazen mortar]

They’ve got like half a million objects to name

Ofc they aren’t gonna put effort into the names

Simple and understandable

[ornate rivet]

maybe it's wp_trap_spikes

[rain cedar]

Not really

They have a pretty reasonable set of items to name

Then those get copy/pasted everywhere

And become "name (clone) (6)"

[charred parrot]

or tinted differently

or scalled differently

[brazen mortar]

You spend time renaming them all then

[rain cedar]

Why would anyone do that?

[brazen mortar]

Because I said so

[ornate rivet]

imagine pale champion's save loading time being twice DoH's

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[brazen mortar]

Design a new loading gif for it then

[copper nacelle]

how are you so bad at finding go names

very difficult

[ornate rivet]

[copper nacelle]

why was there a maybe

[ornate rivet]

because I thought white_ spikes would be the right one and that turned out to be wrong

so this could be the same

[copper nacelle]

saleh can you fix the api

i don't want to

[cunning lagoon]

fsm man gives up on simple task

[copper nacelle]

it's like

slight effort

that's too much effort ngl

[cunning lagoon]

more or less effort than no airswim

[ornate rivet]

what's wrong with the api

[copper nacelle]

less

[rain cedar]

What specifically do you even mean by fix?

[cunning lagoon]

so do it

[rain cedar]

There's like 20 things you could mean

[copper nacelle]

Linux controller input

Does MonoMod handle attributes in orig

Actually will this get fucked up by orig

Because DllImport

ahh

[rain cedar]

Real mystery

Low priority bug imo

Controller lol

[copper nacelle]

i have gotten multiple dms

[rain cedar]

Tell them to use keyboard

[copper nacelle]

maggotPrime

[ornate rivet]

not being able to press escape to exit menu is annoying

[copper nacelle]

That's Debug

not api

[ornate rivet]

oh

[copper nacelle]

I think sean said he knows how to fix it

don't quote me on that thanks bye

[ornate rivet]

well not being able to change resolution is annoying too

[copper nacelle]

ask kdt

[rain cedar]

It's already fixed

In a standalone build I made for someone else

[copper nacelle]

Incredible

[ornate rivet]

thank you for your service

[cunning lagoon]

im gonna have to fix it in betterdebug

and take over the moddoing community

[rain cedar]

It is not my problem because I have decided it is not my problem

If I was gonna fix anything in debug I'd have to fix the entire mod

Meaning rewrite it from scratch

I don't want to do that now, maybe later

[cunning lagoon]

banned word

[copper nacelle]

later

[rain cedar]

later

[cunning lagoon]

wtf tf

[rain cedar]

I'll rewrite it in python

[ornate rivet]

yay

[hollow pier]

the fix for bad debug menu exit is press continue

[copper nacelle]

Local man makes python => il interpreter for sole purpose of confusing contributors

[brazen mortar]

Oblobble

[cunning lagoon]

its mash escape until you get stuck in an endless loop then realize your mistake stop for a second then double tap escape

[rain cedar]

I can actually work on it again now too

Since harpreet is gone

[cunning lagoon]

🦀

[hollow pier]

or you could watch twitch

[copper nacelle]

stream working on it

[cunning lagoon]

or you could provide content

[brazen mortar]

Wait the escape thing is a bug?

[copper nacelle]

[brazen mortar]

I always thought it was a feature

[glossy jungle]

badmouthing harpreet

[rain cedar]

He's too curious ok

[copper nacelle]

I should just fix it in my copy of debug

why help others when you can not

[rain cedar]

Whenever I open visual studio he comes over and asks questions

[hollow pier]

oh man imagine badmouthing someone

#555302477248069652

[cunning lagoon]

he really is

[rain cedar]

But then he doesn't understand the answers and asks the same questions on loop for hours

[copper nacelle]

saleh why are you ing

[cunning lagoon]

wow you should be happy that he's interested in the stuff you are doing

[copper nacelle]

you don't even know what it is

smh my head

[ornate rivet]

because I like to

[copper nacelle]

fair enough

[brazen mortar]

It’s ok saleh I’ll react too that way we can be clueless together

[cunning lagoon]

i'll join you

[copper nacelle]

but you are not clueless

[cunning lagoon]

or am i

[copper nacelle]

[brazen mortar]

But are you clueless

If not leave the club

[solemn rivet]

hi clueless, I'm Jessica

[brazen mortar]

Hi Jessica I’m-

.

[ornate rivet]

Hi-
.
I'm saleh

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[copper nacelle]

🤔

[ornate rivet]

🤔

[brazen mortar]

How long can this channel go without using a single think emote

[cunning lagoon]

a couple minutes

at most

[floral furnace]

as long as it takes for silksong to get released

[brazen mortar]

This means If you use a think emote Silksong will never get released 😔

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[floral furnace]

🤔

[brazen mortar]

Hnnng

[solemn rivet]

56

[copper nacelle]

Gradow

[solemn rivet]

fix controller pl0x

[copper nacelle]

commit die

[solemn rivet]

i gib u moni

either mola's, finch's or ttacco's

[brazen mortar]

56

[solemn rivet]

certainly not mine tho

[copper nacelle]

Or I could just do this

[hollow pier]

ok i fix linux issue

do not use linux

fix'd

[floral furnace]

^

[copper nacelle]

go away

[solemn rivet]

^^

[copper nacelle]

it is fixed

[ornate rivet]

[solemn rivet]

wut dis

[cunning lagoon]

ok bye

[copper nacelle]

linux compiled api

[solemn rivet]

hmmm

[copper nacelle]

i can delay fixing it forever

[rain cedar]

That's the way to do it

[solemn rivet]

can't I just

replace the api on gdrive with that

[copper nacelle]

No

[solemn rivet]

stop me then

[copper nacelle]

It'd fuck over the Native Incontrol for windows

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

fool

[cunning lagoon]

do it pussy

you wont

[copper nacelle]

I'll just delete the version

[floral furnace]

make it a windows exclusive

[hollow pier]

do my pussy

you wont

[cunning lagoon]

i will

come here

[solemn rivet]

oof

[hollow pier]

[cunning lagoon]

[ornate rivet]

just have the modinstaller check if the user is using linux or win

[floral furnace]

windows exclusive

[cunning lagoon]

if linux () {
message ("use windows")
};

[copper nacelle]

ah yes finally i can offload my problems onto gradow

[solemn rivet]

wait

how's that api any better then

does it fix controller being shit

[copper nacelle]

for linux users

i just tell them

[brazen mortar]

Idk what’s happening just don’t take my money

[copper nacelle]

look at pins

wow

[solemn rivet]

what if

[copper nacelle]

and then it is not my problem

[solemn rivet]

I want that

for windows

[copper nacelle]

not my problem

[solemn rivet]

sir, can I bother you for a moment of your time

[cunning lagoon]

you are being too rude mr. bham

[copper nacelle]

mr. gc

[brazen mortar]

Can we speak to your manager

[copper nacelle]

sure

here he is

🗑

[young walrus]

I thought the manager was....

[cunning lagoon]

is he in jail

[floral furnace]

not even using hypertrash smh

[young walrus]

You can speak to that exe all you want

[brazen mortar]

Is that gay baby jail

[weak lodge]

living is gay baby jail

[rain cedar]

🚮

[brazen mortar]

Where’d you get that picture of my mom dropping me off at school

[compact sedge]

I like this new api

I remember when I silently compiled the lifeblood one under linux

[brazen mortar]

There’s a new API?

[copper nacelle]

no

[compact sedge]

and that was just the one people had for like, 3 months

[copper nacelle]

that's just for making people like angle shut

like this

shut

[compact sedge]

because nobody else wanted to bother

[cunning lagoon]

toxic fsm man

[weak lodge]

toxic santa hats

[brazen mortar]

Why the Santa hat

[cunning lagoon]

for christmas cmon

[floral furnace]

theyre santa hats thats made ouf of asbestos

[brazen mortar]

Christmas isn’t for another 280 days

7 hours

22 minutes and something seconds

[weak lodge]

it's always christmas in the freezing tundra of norway wdym

[brazen mortar]

What’s a Norway?

[weak lodge]

hah you capitalized it

[brazen mortar]

Just because mobile capitalizes stuff doesn’t mean I know what they mean

For example what’s a Heliopolis

[weak lodge]

what is a Necronomicon

[brazen mortar]

What is a DLKurosh

[dusky lion]

My phone automatically capitalizes Metal

Because Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

[fair rampart]

Hello, i'm having problem with installing mods

[brazen mortar]

Oh oh I know what to do

Ha I did it

Be proud of me

[copper nacelle]

🙂

[brazen mortar]

[cunning lagoon]

🙂

[brazen mortar]

[copper nacelle]

what does Ots stand for

Oot Tike Shis

[brazen mortar]

Oncotherapy Science

[copper nacelle]

[brazen mortar]

[hazy sentinel]

[cunning lagoon]

Cierto

[charred parrot]

hey guys hows life

[trim totem]

good

[solemn rivet]

ded

[dusky lion]

sleepless

[fair rampart]

Just finished my grimm troupe custom knight skin

I wanted to put lines through the eyes but it looked shit and needed more time

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

There's already a skin with lines through the eyes btw

If you want that

[fair rampart]

i doooo

ive asked

godammit

where is it?

[rain cedar]

📌

[fair rampart]

rip my free time

[dusky lion]

lol.

[rain cedar]

.

[dusky lion]

lolSTOP

[fair rampart]

ok i used it and it was pretty meh

color editing for the knight was lazy. dude just changed hue/saturation plus the line over the eyes werent animated as smoothly

[rain cedar]

The lines wiggle yeah

[fair rampart]

same problem with my lines tho

[rain cedar]

Would be really tough to make them look perfect

[fair rampart]

ikr

[rain cedar]

A lot of trial and error

[fair rampart]

if the sprites were arranged properly it wouldve been better to edit

did you make them?

[rain cedar]

They're arranged that way by Unity

The sprite sheet packer is automatic

[fair rampart]

i see. so it would take time indeed

the fx HUD and other stuff were cool tho

ill keep those xD

[leaden hedge]

if you can bother to reverse engineer tk2ds sprite packer

you can probably get them out properly

[fair rampart]

<-- not a coder

just an person

art*

[jovial vault]

Implying coders arent people

Which is correct

[fair rampart]

i didnt mean to offend you cave dweller

is that the term i should use lol

[jovial vault]

Nah dw im an art person as well i was just joking

[dusky lion]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[jovial vault]

H

[cursive juniper]

how do i get the mod downloader again?

thx

[weak lodge]

My grimm troupe knight skin is mola’s but cloak very different 😔 also did you even look at the spells they’re amazing

[hollow hearth]

are your spells the same as mola's?

[solar jacinth]

probably

i was about to finish shade knight

then

i deleted accidently

[jovial vault]

Autosaves?

[solar jacinth]

i have to do it all agaain

what

where

[jovial vault]

A lot of programs have autosaves that you can refer back to

[solar jacinth]

where is photoshop's

[jovial vault]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/auto-recover-files-in-photoshop/amp/ might help

[solar jacinth]

thanks

[jovial vault]

Havent had a ps crash/delete so

np

[floral furnace]

be like me and save constantly every 5 minutes out of sheer paranoia

[jovial vault]

lmao i do that

[floral furnace]

then you end up with 20 different files of "editedpicfinalv2final.psd"

right???

[jovial vault]

lmao imagine naming your files things that arent keysmashed

thumbnails only or we die like men

[floral furnace]

if its in games then my savefiles usually turn into incoherent sentences but for pics or source codes its just the "mainsubjectv3FINALEDITIONCOMPLETE" with different variations

[leaden hedge]

not giving your code cool names like

[solar jacinth]

the autu recovery file is empty

rip

[leaden hedge]

bot -> bot EX -> bot EX2 -> botXXX

[floral furnace]

🤔

imagine not adding v2 onward on ur source

[solar jacinth]

i gotta do it all again

by

[floral furnace]

amazing

[jovial vault]

Oof sugar rip

coding fact: the more x’s the cooler your code is

[leaden hedge]

this one has gui apparently

and is loud

[floral furnace]

whats with you and Xs

i mean i guess theyre cool

[leaden hedge]

most of my stuff doesn't have xs

[copper nacelle]

xX_KDT_Xx

[jovial vault]

kay eksdee

[floral furnace]

imagine not using "super" or "final" or "special edition" in ur naming conventions 😔

[leaden hedge]

imagine even having versioning

[floral furnace]

truuuuuuuuuuuu

[jovial vault]

imagine

[floral furnace]

damn this takes me back to first year projects where only one of you out of the entire group does the the thing and they just send the entire source through a zip file everytime they make a small change

[jovial vault]

This is why google drive and cloud sharing exists

[floral furnace]

"but it takes time to learn so its not worth it" - pretty much everyone myself included ofc

[jovial vault]

also everyone coming into this channel with fresh hot new hollow knight mod ideas

[rain cedar]

Hey guys i have idea for mod! You can make play able bosses mod but here player cant use knight's scills only scills of boss

[solar jacinth]

i love this copy paste

its my favorite

[jovial vault]

truly top tier content

ive been hanging around a bunch of other modding communities and theyre all just so nice

[solar jacinth]

except this one

[jovial vault]

This channel has set my expectations for every modding community to be a shitpost

[leaden hedge]

ur a shitpost

[jovial vault]

and that is great

[charred parrot]

no u

[jovial vault]

uwu

[leaden hedge]

u know i said gay baby jail in celeste modding room and got told to not be homophobic

[jovial vault]

oh noes thats tragic

Im on mobile so i have no idea whos adding that tiso emote but thank you

[solar jacinth]

tco

[charred parrot]

why did you say gay baby jail though

[leaden hedge]

because gay baby jail is a term

for softlocks

[charred parrot]

is that a fact

hmm

[leaden hedge]

yes

[floral furnace]

probably

[jovial vault]

x to doubt

[charred parrot]

sounds pretty homophobic to me

repent

[jovial vault]

what were you doing kdt smh

[leaden hedge]

When you get soft-locked in Super Mario 64, i.e. getting stuck in a spot that you can't move or escape but also can't die and you have to quit out of the game. Shoutouts to SimpleFlips

[leaden hedge]

i put a thing in my level that basically broke celeste complete

[charred parrot]

huh

[leaden hedge]

by killing you on the frame you respawned

and you can't pause when respawning

so you can't quit the game

[jovial vault]

Ah

[leaden hedge]

now the celeste modding api has gay baby jail detection

[jovial vault]

This is reminding me i should buy celeste

[solar jacinth]

buy icono

[charred parrot]

I saw the price of Celeste

[floral furnace]

something something iconoclast

[charred parrot]

saw 20$

looked at HK

saw 15

and was surprised

[jovial vault]

Half of this chat seeing me mention a game: but icono

[leaden hedge]

hk is coded like a $5 game

celeste is coded like atleast a $25 game

[charred parrot]

Iconoclast is terrible

[jovial vault]

It runs tho which is surprising

[charred parrot]

is Celeste coded solidly?

[solar jacinth]

yes

[leaden hedge]

yeah its pretty good, besides a few oversights

[floral furnace]

didnt celeste have spaghetti in an article i remomtely remember seeing about

well not all of it at least

[charred parrot]

isnt everything a bit spaghetti deep down?

[jovial vault]

wants to get celeste on computer but doesnt have a non broken controller and doesnt want to deal with not being able to mess around with modding on switch

[floral furnace]

this is why the winning move is not to make a game to begin with

[leaden hedge]

celeste is mono aka csharp

so you can just dnspy everything

[jovial vault]

you mean c tic tac toe

[charred parrot]

winning move = just dont make the game

you cant write bad code

[floral furnace]

tic tac toe is better than silksong

[charred parrot]

if you dont code

[leaden hedge]

chashtag

[charred parrot]

genius moves

[jovial vault]

igotlazy youre literally making a hk fangame

[leaden hedge]

coctothorpe

[jovial vault]

Yes

[charred parrot]

I am

[floral furnace]

wait couldnt you dnspy hk too 🤔

[leaden hedge]

you can

[jovial vault]

Yes

[leaden hedge]

not that it helps

[solar jacinth]

you can

[leaden hedge]

cause 90% of shit is fsm

[floral furnace]

oh yeah

[leaden hedge]

which isn't even in the asm

[jovial vault]

Thanks ari

[solar jacinth]

can you make a proper mod by using only dnspy

[charred parrot]

thanks obama

[leaden hedge]

yes

[solar jacinth]

nice

[leaden hedge]

bossrush was originally made in dnspy

so was lightbringer

[charred parrot]

keyword originally

[solar jacinth]

then what does fsm do

[floral furnace]

i mean, if silksong is gonna be 95% fsm im fine with that if it means i can get it faster lmao fuck low end pcs and consoles amirite or amirite

[leaden hedge]

fsm is how everything in the game is programmed

[charred parrot]

FSMs are like these little state machine scripts

[solar jacinth]

where can i find it

[charred parrot]

from Playmaker

[solar jacinth]

at pinned mesgs

?

[leaden hedge]

depends on what "it" is

[charred parrot]

this is what they look like

[floral furnace]

theyre states

[charred parrot]

in editor

[floral furnace]

ie condition and what action to do

[charred parrot]

basically you've got these actions which are basically "code chunks"

and you put them together to do things

[leaden hedge]

its bloat is what it is

[charred parrot]

and then transition to new states based on certain parameters

[leaden hedge]

they should have a button that decodes it to normal code

so theres not 70000000 objects everywhere

[charred parrot]

it would end up pretty gross

[solar jacinth]

imagine recoding all the game

[floral furnace]

i mean

lifeblood

well most of it

well not all of it

[charred parrot]

I mean... it shouldnt be too bad

[leaden hedge]

lifeblood did basically nothing

[jovial vault]

Ehhh lifeblood didnt fix a lot of stuff

[charred parrot]

time consuming

[jovial vault]

What did it fix exactly

[leaden hedge]

shouldn't even be time consuming

[charred parrot]

but HK isn't a super complicated game

[floral furnace]

no wait wasnt the healthmanager conversion from TGT?

[charred parrot]

once you know what stuff needs to do it's not too bad

[solar jacinth]

lifeblood fixed menu theme problerm

[leaden hedge]

nah lifeblood

[floral furnace]

🤔

[jovial vault]

Ye but also i imagine recoding hk is not a priority when silksong

[charred parrot]

and it's not like the logic from the fsms doesnt translate to code

[leaden hedge]

you could probably make a program to do it

every fsm action is literally just a line of code

[charred parrot]

to go from FSM to code?

[floral furnace]

OH YEAH i didnt go active here until lifeblood which is when i started hearing about healthmanager replacing "something"

[charred parrot]

ya probs

[leaden hedge]

healthmanager replaced a monster of an fsm

[jovial vault]

Hey guys! I have a grate idea for a mod. I think we should recode all of holow nigte!! let me kno what u think :)

[leaden hedge]

pretty sure it was the biggest fsm in the game

by like at least 50%

[charred parrot]

hey imma do that

[floral furnace]

next to THK iirc

[charred parrot]

wasnt HK the biggest?

or was that just the most SPAGET

[leaden hedge]

i think thk fit on the page atleast

but it might have been more condensed

[jovial vault]

Healthmanager was initially an fsm ok

[floral furnace]

my fav part is the seperate states for quick casting and casting with the focus button :^)

[charred parrot]

quick cast and normal cast dont reuse code?

[leaden hedge]

they go into the same states

unless they changed that

[floral furnace]

makes it convenient tho tbh

[charred parrot]

so whats the issue

[leaden hedge]

in some galaxy brain attempt to fix float

[jovial vault]

australians man

[floral furnace]

not a negative to be exact for me tbh

[leaden hedge]

you know the 2nd press of quick cast has literally no checks at all 🤔

[floral furnace]

[charred parrot]

wait maybe im remembering this wrong

isnt quickcast just quick focus?

or

[leaden hedge]

its the button

[floral furnace]

its been a while since i saw the spellcontrol states but all i know is hating how much nested fireball objects you had to go through just to edit it

no its another button

[leaden hedge]

and i meant quickmap

not quickcast

[floral furnace]

understandable

[charred parrot]

fucking found a bug in my knockback thats been bothering me for the past hour

[cunning lagoon]

nice! 😃

[leaden hedge]

all I have to say about fsms is I made an ai to play tetris in mugen, and thats less garbage than fsms https://pastebin.com/raw/acyAND8m Kappa

[charred parrot]

not nice

trying to fix

[rain cedar]

nice! 😃

[jovial vault]

oh my god

[charred parrot]

i hate you people

[rain cedar]

Wrong

[jovial vault]

and yet here you are

[leaden hedge]

just don't code knockback

then you don't need it

[charred parrot]

... galaxy brain move

it's some strange interaction between the dash and knockback

[leaden hedge]

if you showed it

might have a better chance of guessing

[charred parrot]

ya but if I did it would give you guys the chance to call me shit

[rain cedar]

Probably both coroutines

[leaden hedge]

ur shit

[rain cedar]

Run at the same time

[solar jacinth]

why there is sprite of backdash at custom knight mod

[leaden hedge]

removed content

[charred parrot]

they are actually both coroutines but I've created a system that SHOULD be cancelling one in response to the other

[solar jacinth]

i know

but why

they didnt delete

[charred parrot]

so somewhere I goofed

[leaden hedge]

coroutines are nice but also weirdly bug prone

celeste has coroutine based bugs too

[jovial vault]

Which ones?

[leaden hedge]

air ultradashes are coroutine bugs

[rain cedar]

Maybe the secret is to use actual threading

[leaden hedge]

just use a proper statemachine

[charred parrot]

I know they can be buggy but they're just... soo useful and eay to visualize

you know?

[rain cedar]

Less prone to breaking I'm sure

[leaden hedge]

and program a dash state

and if you want residue velocity program it in a the "default" state you run every frame

[charred parrot]

I personally hate leaving shit to run in update it feels "loose". That's not to say I just toss coroutines everywhere but I probably use them more than average.

[rain cedar]

You can make methods that aren't update

[charred parrot]

...yes

[rain cedar]

And call those in update

[charred parrot]

yes...

[rain cedar]

Yes

[solar jacinth]

is 56 ever changed dont disturb

[rain cedar]

Very rarely he's offline instead

[leaden hedge]

you can make methods that aren't update that are in a abstract class,
then replace a class in your monobehaviour with a class that extends the abstract class
then call that classes method in your update

then if perhaps you need to be in another state you can just replace that class again

[rain cedar]

what

[leaden hedge]

im saying instead of doing random shit with coroutines
just use composition over inheritance
and just add a dashing class that has an update method
and remove it when its done

[rain cedar]

Ok the abstract class is the base for the states

That's a better system than whatever gibberish you said at first

[charred parrot]

God I needed to read that twice.

Btw actual question.

Once I get this bug fixed I’ll be able to make a little demo level. Anyone want to play test it.

I’m assuming HK modders have an above average sense of what is “good”.

[leaden hedge]

does it run at 60fps

and does it take less than 5 seconds to load a scene

[rain cedar]

The scene is probably still boxes at this point so I'd be really impressed if it took that long to load

[copper nacelle]

Just delay scene loading like TC does

[charred parrot]

yield return new WaitForSeconds(4.9f);

and ya its just boxes at this point

fixed the bug

pretty dumb ass bug

[solemn rivet]

Can the demo be played with a controller?

Also, ass bugs

[charred parrot]

ya I've localized all the inputs so setting up a controller should be easy

[solemn rivet]

[charred parrot]

my player script is more of a "interactions definer" instead of an actual player script >_>

[solar jacinth]

whats demo

is a mod ?

[charred parrot]

fangame

[solar jacinth]

nice

[charred parrot]

I'm hesitant to download Unity's upcoming input update

may be worth it though

not sure

[solemn rivet]

why not live up to your name

[charred parrot]

the question is

would downloading it and making things easier in the future be considered lazy

or would not downloading it and dealing with the garbage of the base unity input system (thus requiring more work) be lazier?

[solemn rivet]

the true lazy is too lazy to even consider that other options might be lazier

[charred parrot]

Unity is apparently doing a roadmap thing at GDC today

i'll see whats up first before deciding

[leaden hedge]

i literally updated yesterday and theres another update today

[solemn rivet]

is this windows 10

[charred parrot]

I dun want no beta

https://gyazo.com/962f3148b99f876c947897d5ff4beb50

spicy

[dusky lion]

This is not the bash from ori

[charred parrot]

works off of a slash

and you can slash mid dash

and you can do that bash during a slash

so you can... I think

Dash, then Bash, then Dash again

[solar jacinth]

will you control it with mouse when its done ?

[charred parrot]

prooooooooobably

[solemn rivet]

not

[charred parrot]

I mean how else would you be able to aim that thing with just a keyboard

[solemn rivet]

use

controller

[cunning lagoon]

nice joke

[charred parrot]

of course but theres always going to be those psychopaths that try to use keyboard

[solemn rivet]

kuro is a psycho confirmed

[cunning lagoon]

c ntr ller

[charred parrot]

controller master race

was designed to play games

not type

[jovial vault]

why use a proper controller when you can hook up joycons to your pc because you broke your controller

be me

[cunning lagoon]

but they are not mutually exclusive

kb works for both

[solemn rivet]

why use keyboard when you can type using d-pad

[hazy sentinel]

why use keyboard when you can use keyboard

I just came here to rant about how much i hate this boss, ive gotten to the point where i can beat NKG on radiant, i can annihalate pure vessal, i can beat the first 4 pantheons with relative ease, i can even beat gray prince zote on plus 10, but for whatever stupid god damn reason i just cant handle markoth on his acsended stage, he is without a doubt the most frustrating thing for me in this game aside from AR. That god awful double dreamshield he has makes me want to commit homocide. I have no idea why hes such a roadblock for me, by all rights i should make mincemeat out of him, however time and time again he fucks me and leaves me by the wayside like im a bad date. Whew okay rant over, apologies for my blabbering i just needed an outlet for my pent up rage. I guess im gonna get back at it. GIT GUD FOLKS!!!

[cunning lagoon]

I just came here to rant about how much i hate this boss, ive gotten to the point where i can beat NKG on radiant, i can annihalate pure vessal, i can beat the first 4 pantheons with relative ease, i can even beat gray prince zote on plus 10, but for whatever stupid god damn reason i just cant handle markoth on his acsended stage, he is without a doubt the most frustrating thing for me in this game aside from AR. That god awful double dreamshield he has makes me want to commit homocide. I have no idea why hes such a roadblock for me, by all rights i should make mincemeat out of him, however time and time again he fucks me and leaves me by the wayside like im a bad date. Whew okay rant over, apologies for my blabbering i just needed an outlet for my pent up rage. I guess im gonna get back at it. GIT GUD FOLKS!!!

[solemn rivet]

what was the copy paste from yesterday again

[hazy sentinel]

Regarding Lightbringer, I wanted to bring up a problem that I have with it, the balance is completely wonky. It starts out moderately difficult, but around the time the only bosses are Soul master and Mantis Lords, it's stupid hard, then when you find sporeshroom it becomes difficult but manageable, but by endgame it's probably too easy. Hell, I beat the hornet 2nd fight on my first time, and I am not good at the game. Frankly, I'm mediocre at best. Though there is the fact that I cheesed Gruz mother, allowing me to get a bunch of powerful charms and charm slots, as well as the mask and vessel fragments. But even disregarding that, it was frankly way too hard without sporeshroom and burning pride.

[cunning lagoon]

I just came here to rant about how much i hate this boss, ive gotten to the point where i can beat NKG on radiant, i can annihalate pure vessal, i can beat the first 4 pantheons with relative ease, i can even beat gray prince zote on plus 10, but for whatever stupid god damn reason i just cant handle markoth on his acsended stage, he is without a doubt the most frustrating thing for me in this game aside from AR. That god awful double dreamshield he has makes me want to commit homocide. I have no idea why hes such a roadblock for me, by all rights i should make mincemeat out of him, however time and time again he fucks me and leaves me by the wayside like im a bad date. Whew okay rant over, apologies for my blabbering i just needed an outlet for my pent up rage. I guess im gonna get back at it. GIT GUD FOLKS!!!

oops

[solemn rivet]

that one veru

yeah

[brazen mortar]

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[solemn rivet]

edit -> replace

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[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

[hazy sentinel]

wwowwww wow woo woww

[solemn rivet]

replaced vowels with o and consonants with w

this is a masterpiece tbh

this is basically what would happen if Owen Wilson ever decided to rant about HK

[jovial vault]

my last brain cell conversing

[solar jacinth]

i wonder if someone created a folder that contains all copy paste shits

[copper nacelle]

@blissful burrow

[blissful burrow]

It is mine

Ask Pete for his

[copper nacelle]

@hollow pier

[charred parrot]

Look at all dese boxes and lines

[solemn rivet]

[fair rampart]

I just came here to rant about how much i hate this boss, ive gotten to the point where i can beat NKG on radiant, i can annihalate pure vessal, i can beat the first 4 pantheons with relative ease, i can even beat gray prince zote on plus 10, but for whatever stupid god damn reason i just cant handle markoth on his acsended stage, he is without a doubt the most frustrating thing for me in this game aside from AR. That god awful double dreamshield he has makes me want to commit homocide. I have no idea why hes such a roadblock for me, by all rights i should make mincemeat out of him, however time and time again he fucks me and leaves me by the wayside like im a bad date. Whew okay rant over, apologies for my blabbering i just needed an outlet for my pent up rage. I guess im gonna get back at it. GIT GUD FOLKS!!!

[leaden hedge]

Unity colliders FeelsBadMan

[charred parrot]

sometimes they're aids

why would I create a way to close my game?

that would give them a way to stop playing

[dusky lion]

The most basic term for a horheristo is a person that takes interest in horheristo so by that definition then horheristos are technicality the same as horheristo theirs more to them than just a definition. for a horheristo there horheristo for love of the characteristics of horheristo is a why of life for a lot of them hence the dressing up but for horheristos its just a entertaining show for them to watch and a way to express there creative side and meet new people. Horheristos do have this but this applies to a wide range of shows and outlets while being a horheristo is very specific. yea there a sub part of the community but most of us horheristos just enjoy the show. some of us like all horheristos are dicks and im sorry to hear of that happening but they don't define us. thanks for understanding its just that we can get a lot of hate because the media focuses on the over the top werid ones. anyway i don't mean to annoy you all with this subject but i just thought i let you know from a horheristos perspective . also if you wanna get a understanding of it just watch a run. anyway thats all i gota say.

[charred parrot]

Demo Level is done boys

[cold olive]

@rain cedar The money from Shape of Unn in the randomizer can still fall into the acid right there

[solemn rivet]

nice, Igotlazy

[young walrus]

nice demo lvl, time to go oob

[solemn rivet]

this tbh

[fair rampart]

@weak lodge who's mola? is there another grimm skin? plus i did say i was using the fx and HUD

[charred parrot]

the fuck is oob

[young walrus]

out of bounds

[charred parrot]

ah yes

[young walrus]

@fair rampart check pins

[charred parrot]

brb sealing it all off

[solemn rivet]

no don't

let us be

[fair rampart]

Im using the custom skin from the pins

only the fx and HUD tho

[young walrus]

there's an entire google drive of skins

[fair rampart]

i created my own

oh those were from you

sick work dude

[young walrus]

all sprites made from various sources are housed in this one location

including mola's grimm skin

[fair rampart]

created my own

[young walrus]

[fair rampart]

thnx

i was just commenting on someones previous comment

[lofty frigate]

cute