archived-modding-development

[weak lodge]

damn

250

[weak lodge]

better than the names of the genre 😔

[fair rampart]

I wish discord logged the history of nicknames and pfps

[weak lodge]

metrois is my favorite metroisvania

[warped sinew]

Typo in my first post, godlike

[weak lodge]

this

not like i was any better

[dusky lion]

thats u 56

[ornate rivet]

there still aren't any tutorials

very unfortunate

[warped sinew]

HK is better than SOTN for sure. I'll fight anyone who thinks it's not

[ornate rivet]

I think it's definitely better than SM

[fair rampart]

make a 240p tutorial video with a big bandicam watermark, loud background noise, and put on an indian accent

[solemn rivet]

I think it's more "vania" than "metroid" tbh

[warped sinew]

Nah, vania is only the combat everything else is metroid

Even SOTN is metroid really

[solemn rivet]

but I don't think the exploration is that much metroidlike

[buoyant obsidian]

this is well after I started modding too lol

[solemn rivet]

pirates

[hazy sentinel]

nutty

[warped sinew]

Well its not castlevania like at all.

[buoyant obsidian]

how dare you accuse me of such, Gradow

I was just sharing with my lovely steam family

[solemn rivet]

no, I was just saying how much HK is like a pirate-based game

[warped sinew]

What you think is castlevania like is actually castlevania being like metroid

[solemn rivet]

well, yeah

[solemn rivet]

when most people say castlevania they actually mean igavania

[ornate rivet]

was the lunch good graig?

[solemn rivet]

which is a mixture of later castlevanias and the metroid formula

[warped sinew]

Acoutly it was

[dusky lion]

As much as I love Hollow Knight SOTN has a place in my heart that can never be replaced

[weak lodge]

when will we get a nontoxic sherma

[ornate rivet]

SOTN has really cool looking enemies but I always felt like I never learned anything while fighting them

spam attack

win

[solemn rivet]

Graig

did you play Timespinner?

[warped sinew]

No I have not

[dusky lion]

Wew devs. Nice agenda throat shoving
I got nothing against gay people. But jesus christ it's like you're completely blind to how in-your-face you turned this game into.
Way to distance people even more from what you attempt to promote.

[solemn rivet]

want to?

[dusky lion]

-horheristo on timespinner

[solemn rivet]

it's not even explicit

wtf

[warped sinew]

What is it

[solemn rivet]

it's a metroidvania that came out last year

[fair rampart]

a game

[solemn rivet]

heavily inspired in SOTN

like, heavily

[ornate rivet]

for a second, I thought you were saying that Finch

[solemn rivet]

you can't even tell if the assets are mere copies or original stuff

[ornate rivet]

I was about to reee

[solemn rivet]

specially the OST

[warped sinew]

Does it have a gay agenda?

[solemn rivet]

not really

[warped sinew]

Because if so..... Sign me up

[ornate rivet]

hollow knight has gay agenda

[solemn rivet]

but all relationships between side characters/pvp are same-gender

even the main character, but that requires following the story+side quests

pvp wtf

*npc

[warped sinew]

I'll take a look

Can I mod it to have Graig Knight??

[ornate rivet]

I love it when pvp are the same gender

[solemn rivet]

sure

it's easier than HK to mod

[warped sinew]

That's probably because it was coded by someone who knows how to code

[solemn rivet]

you can actually "hack" it to give yourself backer exclusive content

like

[ornate rivet]

what engine?

[solemn rivet]

there's a password system in the game, kinda like Super Metroid

I assume Unity, Saleh

[warped sinew]

Hey I'm a backer! (Of HK) but it still counts right??

[solemn rivet]

I just used dnspy

and you can see the "secret" passwords using dnspy

including backer rewards

[warped sinew]

No passwords in super metroid, just regular metroid

[solemn rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/499327297459847186/unknown.png

[fair rampart]

"widely available decompilers don't exist" tm

[solemn rivet]

oh yeah, Metroid

super metroid had an actual save system

[warped sinew]

God I just had flash backs of having to write down passwords

[solemn rivet]

literally just

and there they are in plaintext

[ornate rivet]

how did the backers feel

[solemn rivet]

I don't think they actually know that

I never told them

[ornate rivet]

cool

[solemn rivet]

also, graig

if you do play it

try not to break it too much, k?

cause even a subpar player like me managed to break it

[fair rampart]

who do you take him for? verulean?

[solemn rivet]

so you might... Idk

I mean "break" as in

making the game utterly pointless

because of how op you get

[ornate rivet]

poisonous fog

[solemn rivet]

and because of obvious skips that the devs for some reason didn't see

[hazy sentinel]

hey you guys, I didn't want to make this a rule for the discord. but it looks like I do. Don't post code from the game or any video or screenshots of hacked versions of the game. I've updated the rules of the discord to match. I honestly figured you guys would understand how disrespectful it is

[ornate rivet]

where is that from veru

[weak lodge]

it really do

[hazy sentinel]

timespinner discord

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[weak lodge]

sigh²

[solemn rivet]

sigh³

[ornate rivet]

that's the bad version knightmere

[hazy sentinel]

the dev posted it after risky posted dnspy screenshot of weapon damage values iirc

[ornate rivet]

imagine if tc was like that

[weak lodge]

wtf

[fair rampart]

what is wrong with posting damage vals

[solemn rivet]

nothing

but it shows that the code is pretty easy to access

and the devs don't want that

[warped sinew]

OK now I'm more interested in breaking the game

[ornate rivet]

Graig would tc care if we ported hornet's moves from silksong to hk?

[weak lodge]

guys look im illegal 😎

[warped sinew]

I doubt they would mind

[fair rampart]

oh noes

[ornate rivet]

cool, I'll ask that again when silksong comes out, just in case

[weak lodge]

i highly doubt theyll care if you port silksong assets thk

[warped sinew]

I wonder if you could just port from on game to the other??

Like put the knight into silksong?

[weak lodge]

same engine

[fair rampart]

lmao imagine the knight getting destroyed by all the fast enemies

[ornate rivet]

I was just going to get the sprites and add the code myself

[weak lodge]

silksong used hk as a base

[solemn rivet]

we'll have to wait and see, graig

[weak lodge]

iirc

^^

[ornate rivet]

silksong-hk rando would be so cool

[warped sinew]

Mfw you import PoH into silksong

[weak lodge]

mfw you port all hornet's abilities into hk and her fight difficulty is set to 24/10

[ornate rivet]

that would be the first thing I would try to do when silksong comes out, before I even play the game

[weak lodge]

im betting if they do allow it saleh would do it

oh

[dusky lion]

.

[weak lodge]

.

r

[dusky lion]

i love moving my hand over my keyboard and hitting the . and enter key on the numpad on accident

r

[mild olive]

r

is this a new trend?

[weak lodge]

yes actually!

[dusky lion]

Mhm!

[mild olive]

neat!

[fair rampart]

try typing "r" in general

[weak lodge]

?

[mild olive]

?

hmmmmm

[weak lodge]

wtf 56 in invisible

go do your hw

close discord

[mild olive]

i feel like this is a bojangle

[copper nacelle]

i have started

[mild olive]

a trouse

a jape!

[floral furnace]

hi have started

[copper nacelle]

no

[floral furnace]

fine jeez

[mild olive]

what have you started

[mild olive]

oh, nice!

learning bots?

[floral furnace]

ech history, it only matters if its about ww2 or something

[mild olive]

wait

is it classwork or a bot

Probably the former

[copper nacelle]

homework

[mild olive]

yeah, I gotcha

Parts of it reminded me of learning software and I made an assumption lmao

[copper nacelle]

i also started this if that counts

[ornate rivet]

I think I don't have to take a history related subject ever again

which is hype

[copper nacelle]

addition via rnn

[mild olive]

Oh cool

[ornate rivet]

what class is that 56

also I wish my school had that

[copper nacelle]

none

[ornate rivet]

oh ok then

[copper nacelle]

AI is next year

I just went to machine learning club

[floral furnace]

do you abuse python libraries for rnn

[copper nacelle]

and they were doing rnns

so i decided to find out about rnns

yes

that was w/ keras

[ornate rivet]

wish my school had stuff like that

[copper nacelle]

unfortunate

[dusky lion]

Literally we just have “computer science” and “computer science principles ap”

[ornate rivet]

same

well actually no

[copper nacelle]

are you counting electronics courses as cs

[ornate rivet]

no, I am counting cryptology as a cs course

[copper nacelle]

that's math

cheats

[ornate rivet]

sad

[copper nacelle]

e

and crypto if you count that

[ornate rivet]

that's so hot

[floral furnace]

"Web Dev"
r

[copper nacelle]

there is also these

[dusky lion]

I got 3 language credits in one year because I already know sign language so I took ASL 3 in freshmen which gives the previous credits and prior

[ornate rivet]

can I switch schools

[floral furnace]

ngl tho web dev is cool

[ornate rivet]

is this even a high school?

[dusky lion]

Wtf 56

[fair rampart]

I wish my high school had courses like these

[floral furnace]

56 kid genius omega brain schools 😔

[copper nacelle]

it's a public high school but you have to apply and stuff

[dusky lion]

56 hypergenius

[ornate rivet]

it took me half a year to get a computer science club accepted at my school and all people want to do is make a text based dating sim

[floral furnace]

i mean

i dont see anything wrong with that

tbh

[copper nacelle]

i took foundations accelerated, taking ap cs A plus data structures, and i'm gonna take ai/parallel/computer vision next year

[floral furnace]

:hollwoface

[ornate rivet]

I was thinking of doing something more ambitious

[weak lodge]

i was wrong

[fair rampart]

ttacco: master of the keyboard

[weak lodge]

youll be done by 5 in the morning

[copper nacelle]

and then senior year i think i'm gonna take advanced analog/digital and maybe energy systems

[dusky lion]

Local 56 says how much of a waste of human life he is while also being ridiculously smart and taking fucking quantum in senior

[ornate rivet]

I am jealous

[copper nacelle]

no i decided to not take ap physics junior year

[weak lodge]

56 senior wtf

[copper nacelle]

no quantum in senior year

[dusky lion]

Unfortunate

[copper nacelle]

at least i get ap physics

[ornate rivet]

he's growing up so fast

[weak lodge]

sad

[copper nacelle]

no knightmere i'm a sophomore

[fair rampart]

Its like..... Florida mans good twin

[weak lodge]

ic

[floral furnace]

your lack of minor courses in ur cs track makes me

[dusky lion]

Florida man kills god with crowbar

[fair rampart]

Poor maggots

[floral furnace]

we have socioanthro for uhh, some reason

[fair rampart]

.

[floral furnace]

👀

[copper nacelle]

what did i miss

[floral furnace]

everything

[dusky lion]

What did I miss

[copper nacelle]

unfortunate

[ornate rivet]

what did I miss

[mortal trout]

What did I miss?

[floral furnace]

I guess they never miss, huh 😔

[weak lodge]

you hit and miss

[dusky lion]

No

[weak lodge]

mouget

[ornate rivet]

saved the world

[dusky lion]

Ty! 😊

[mortal trout]

[mild olive]

hey 56

[copper nacelle]

hello

[dusky lion]

hey 56

[mild olive]

you're working on the multiplayer mod, right?

[copper nacelle]

hello
yes

[brazen mortar]

hey 56

[copper nacelle]

hello

[dusky lion]

You didn’t say hi to me wtf

[weak lodge]

:)

[mild olive]

is that mod being done in c#?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[ornate rivet]

I was about to type hey 56 in an attempt to emulate humor but then I realized I was above that childish none sense

hey 56

[floral furnace]

56 when are you gonna a sell a monthly pass called "56 Mod Pass" in order to play your mods

[mild olive]

why are you guys pestering them lmao

[copper nacelle]

hello

[mild olive]

56 Creation Club

[brazen mortar]

i would pay

[mild olive]

buy their mods

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Multiplayer @mild olive

[mild olive]

oh I have a reaction image for that

[brazen mortar]

where can i donate money to 56

[dusky lion]

[mild olive]

don't have it saved but that's a very satisfying number

[rain cedar]

Donate money to 56 via paypal to [e-mail]

[mild olive]

Is it possible for people to contribute to the multiplayer mod?

[queen prawn]

@copper nacelle @young walrus

dont give up kids

[ornate rivet]

what was wrong

[mild olive]

red boy

[brazen mortar]

plots against seanpr

[fair rampart]

uwu

[mild olive]

cool little red dude

[dusky lion]

I can’t believe seanpr and homothety are dead

[queen prawn]

it was in the wrong folder

there are 2 folders

for mods and custom knight

for some reason

[fair rampart]

yeah

[queen prawn]

big rart

[fair rampart]

for a good reason

[weak lodge]

die

[copper nacelle]

Oh

This would be a good megathink but on mac it's not

[rain cedar]

what

[fair rampart]

what

[mild olive]

what

[dusky lion]

You best be watching your back Sean

[copper nacelle]

Application.dataPath on mac is Mac player: <path to player app bundle>/Contents

The mods folder is bundle/Resources/Managed/Mods

[mild olive]

is that pronounced "Sean" or "Sean"

[fair rampart]

why is mac dumb

[queen prawn]

its sean

[copper nacelle]

but custom knight would read from bundle/Contents/Managed/Mods

[queen prawn]

mac is seriously awful

[dusky lion]

[queen prawn]

its aesthetically pleasing

windows is for bigger brains

[dusky lion]

56 is aesthetically pleasing

[queen prawn]

hey sean

[rain cedar]

Why is data path so completely different on mac?

[copper nacelle]

Idk it's fucked

[queen prawn]

with the custom knight mod do runs still count

[copper nacelle]

No

With the API runs don't count

with anything at all runs don't count

[rain cedar]

One exception

[dusky lion]

no comment on these

[copper nacelle]

unless you are ag

[mild olive]

those runs are not valid

[queen prawn]

do you want a folder for yourself camila?

[brazen mortar]

"finch's last will and obituary"

[dusky lion]

[fair rampart]

the folder will be packed full of massive d||oors||

[buoyant obsidian]

just gift 56 Discord nitro if you wanna donate

quickly before he says not to

[dusky lion]

and me

mines running out

[brazen mortar]

uhm uhhhh where did i put my debt card

[copper nacelle]

debt card

[fair rampart]

well run back into the mine, finch

[copper nacelle]

accurate

[buoyant obsidian]

ah I see you too have gone to college

[dusky lion]

hello

[brazen mortar]

this is discrimination

[copper nacelle]

stop no wtf

[brazen mortar]

im too young to even need a credit card

[buoyant obsidian]

wait does Discord not let you gift Nitro classic?

[brazen mortar]

cant even collect credits

this is nitro classic

it just wont accept debt

[buoyant obsidian]

where's the classic button

[fair rampart]

the what?

[dusky lion]

its hiddenaway here

[brazen mortar]

scroll to bottom

[dusky lion]

fyck

[copper nacelle]

too slow pensiveloaf

[buoyant obsidian]

those sneaky bastards don't let you gift nitro classic through the button in the textbar

[dusky lion]

unfortunate

at least i get to play bioshock remastered with it and crash every 2 seconds

[buoyant obsidian]

scam artist discord

[queen prawn]

do yall have a favorite custom knight

[dusky lion]

[brazen mortar]

grimm knight

ofc

[fair rampart]

what's the difference between nitro and nitro classic?

[brazen mortar]

i spent a day making it after all

[copper nacelle]

@queen prawn https://youtu.be/Rp9LKzQKx8I

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[copper nacelle]

Wtf

Maybe try https://hastebin.com/

[queen prawn]

that gave me epilepsy 56

[copper nacelle]

Thanks I try

[brazen mortar]

skin is pretty gay

i love it

[copper nacelle]

but unironically grimm nknight

[queen prawn]

its gay

[rain cedar]

hastebin hates it too

[copper nacelle]

Doubly unfortunate

[brazen mortar]

just cut it up into parts

[copper nacelle]

Wait I've got it

put it in a github gist

[buoyant obsidian]

send as text file through discord

[copper nacelle]

https://gist.github.com/

[brazen mortar]

use snipping tool instead and upload it all as images

[buoyant obsidian]

put the entire thing in a png's metadata

[dusky lion]

[rain cedar]

Ok gist works

[copper nacelle]

Nice

there's also https://paste.ee/ apparently which is up to 1mb

[rain cedar]

Not good enough

I'm uploading an output_log

That shit is massive from error spam

[copper nacelle]

o

[rain cedar]

For this issue https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/issues/27

I think this bug has happened 3 times now

Still no idea why

[brazen mortar]

but i thought it says

[rain cedar]

Yes

[copper nacelle]

that is rare

you could use dict[key] instead of dict.Add

[rain cedar]

who

[copper nacelle]

but that's a bad workaround

[rain cedar]

Oh

The dictionary error spam is another bug

That I already fixed

[copper nacelle]

Incredible

[rain cedar]

It was a one line fix a long time ago

If that was causing this bug it would happen way more often

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/commit/4304416d3e75e949d3939bb15ffeccc02595090c

[copper nacelle]

Would anyone care if I removed this shit in the api

[rain cedar]

But that's good info

[copper nacelle]

x

[brazen mortar]

no i wouldnt

but i do care that im running out of spicy peanuts

[rain cedar]

lmao

[mild olive]

we need a hero, though

[copper nacelle]

firefox just gives up

[brazen mortar]

crud im out of peanuts

[rain cedar]

Oh this one is much less than I expected

[brazen mortar]

guess thats all im eating for tonight

[ornate rivet]

this is why output is terrifying

[copper nacelle]

If those 3-4 logs were removed output log would suck a lot less

[rain cedar]

Yeah that would remove like 10k lines at least

Easily

[copper nacelle]

I think I had hooks set up to do that but they didn't remove it, it just logged stuff that wasn't that to modlog

I could make it not output to output log pretty easily

[rain cedar]

The only thing I'm worried about is doing string comparisons on all of these logs

Probably less expensive than writing to file

Not sure

[copper nacelle]

would comparing hashes be faster

[rain cedar]

Probably

[copper nacelle]

cursed

[rain cedar]

I have no idea how the big item popup breaks

It doesn't throw any errors

It just dies

It makes no sense

[copper nacelle]

I've had a coroutine throw without logging the error

[rain cedar]

Wtf

Unity doesn't catch it?

[copper nacelle]

It's supposed to afaik but it didn't

[rain cedar]

Incredible

So that search I did earlier wasn't on the full file

I have an update

[copper nacelle]

I can't do hash code comparisons for FSM not Preprocessed

Loss

[rain cedar]

Here's another piece of spam to remove

[rain cedar]

The big item popup has to be dying in here

Nothing else would have the effect it has

But it makes no sense to die there

[copper nacelle]

😍

[rain cedar]

[copper nacelle]

There's no max number of coroutines right?

[rain cedar]

That would be stupid

[copper nacelle]

yes

[rain cedar]

It would appear there is no limit

[copper nacelle]

nice

[rain cedar]

Because this man is doing an ungodly amount

Maybe the first coroutine is never ending

Somehow

So it's stuck waiting on the yield return

No that doesn't make sense

There's a failsafe condition

Two failsafe conditions actually

One for floating point shenanigans and another just in case

If a coroutine dies what happens to stuff waiting on it?

Maybe cg is null somehow and it dies on cg.alpha

[fair rampart]

hey you guys, I didn't want to make this a rule for the discord. but it looks like I do. Don't post code from the game or any video or screenshots of hacked versions of the game. I've updated the rules of the discord to match. I honestly figured you guys would understand how disrespectful it is

[copper nacelle]

wdym dies

[rain cedar]

Error

Because null

[copper nacelle]

StartCoroutine doesn't throw afaik

idk about yield returning it

yield returning a coroutine w/out StartCoroutine should throw if it throws

[rain cedar]

I'm gonna change it to yield return stuff(null) and see what happens

It dies

But in a different way

So this is not the problem

[copper nacelle]

If you don't fade in the canvas group for the egg does it not show up at all

or does it show up instantly

[rain cedar]

alpha 0

[copper nacelle]

o

[fair rampart]

eat ten canvas group

[rain cedar]

I guess the AddComponent call could be failing

Ok yeah if eggCG = null after the AddComponent this breaks in exactly the right way

There's no reason for that to happen though

I know that AddComponent likes to silently fail but that's only if the component is somehow incompatible with where you want to put it

And if that was the case it would always be the case

Not like 1/1000 times

56 help

[copper nacelle]

if gameObject is null the panel wouldn't show up right

[rain cedar]

Wtf gameObject can't be null

[copper nacelle]

x

[rain cedar]

Unity would have to die so hard

For a component to have no GameObject

[copper nacelle]

this can also be null btw

[rain cedar]

I guess this is if the object gets destroyed after the coroutine starts?

[copper nacelle]

Yeah

Also if you add a hook and then kill the object

[rain cedar]

That can't be it

All the canvas stuff is children of the object

If the object was gone so would the canvas

But it's still there

[copper nacelle]

ahh

[rain cedar]

I add canvas groups to 7 things before this

Idk why it would break on this specific one

It doesn't make sense to be that either

[copper nacelle]

it has to be in that section though

the egg shows up

[rain cedar]

Yeah

It's either before I set it invisible or after it fades in

But before it starts to blink

Time to test what this does

[copper nacelle]

What if the coroutine stops before you call stop on it

[rain cedar]

That should be the case literally every time you skip a popup

[copper nacelle]

true

[rain cedar]

Ok update

Stopping null does indeed kill the coroutine

So that's another candidate

Nope

This error isn't in skurry's log

I guess I should check if the other way of breaking the popup throws to the log

[copper nacelle]

did anyone else get logs

[rain cedar]

I don't think so

And it does throw to the log

So back to no idea how this breaks

How does anyone ever fix bugs that can't be reproduced reliably?

[copper nacelle]

painfully

i can't get this coroutine to throw without logging it

but i know it's happened to me

[rain cedar]

If it doesn't throw an error it's probably getting stuck

The only place it makes sense to get stuck is the fade in

But it can't get stuck there that makes no sense

[copper nacelle]

if you leave a while true there do you get the same behaviour

[rain cedar]

Probably

Yeah

Infinite loop after the fade in is the same effect

[copper nacelle]

unfortunate

[rain cedar]

Why?

[copper nacelle]

more likely of that being it

when it makes no sense for that to be it

[rain cedar]

It can't be that there's a 2s timeout failsafe

In both the fades

[copper nacelle]

I found something interesting

Nevermind

I forgot to change the 2nd method

stopping a coroutine does not make it null

[rain cedar]

Even if it was null

StopCoroutine(null) throws to the log

[copper nacelle]

true

[rain cedar]

I've also realized something about the fade in

When it breaks skurry skipped the popup obviously

Which means the !showInstantly condition in the loop fails instantly

It never even goes into the loop

There's nowhere for it to get stuck

The only thing that makes sense is something stops this coroutine

But that's nonsense

[copper nacelle]

Did you remove all the FSMs on the shiny or does your shiny prefab not have any

[rain cedar]

It still has fsm

I steal the shiny from fury if you think that has StopAllCoroutines somewhere in it

[copper nacelle]

this fsm is terrible

[rain cedar]

yes

To make it slightly easier on you I make it skip from Charm? -> Big Get Flash

And from there to Hero Up

But it should break before that transition

[copper nacelle]

do you get rid of the bool test

in PD Bool?

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[copper nacelle]

Oh

Maybe BoolTest in Init?

[rain cedar]

That's a scene data bool test

[copper nacelle]

That chest could have a persistent bool

[rain cedar]

Which kills the pickup on scene load

[copper nacelle]

o

[rain cedar]

Nothing should matter before the Hero Down state

Actually I run the popup from Big Get Flash

So shouldn't matter until there

[copper nacelle]

none of these destroy anything except the persistent bool one

[rain cedar]

Really no telling what this is meant to do

BroadcastAll is scary

[copper nacelle]

yes

[rain cedar]

The objects for the popup don't exist until it appears btw

So destroys before then won't do anything

I could add an additional failsafe as a workaround

First thing in the popup, start a timer for killing the popup

[copper nacelle]

ig

[rain cedar]

Unless you have a better idea

[copper nacelle]

i do not

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[copper nacelle]

the only kind-of special thing i can think of about that scene is that there's two shinys

but that shouldn't break anything

[rain cedar]

It hasn't just broken there

[copper nacelle]

o

[rain cedar]

I remember it breaking on spore shroom

No other shinies there

[young walrus]

has it been the same pickup every time?

[copper nacelle]

the spore shroom one blinked right?

[young walrus]

not the check, the item

[rain cedar]

Not sure

[young walrus]

dunno if that'd matter

[rain cedar]

It might

Probably not

https://clips.twitch.tv/GlutenFreeRespectfulWoodpeckerFeelsBadMan

Wraiths

I don't think this ever happened before skipping the popups existed

But I already tested stuff with that

Like setting skip true immediately to simulate a same frame skip

[copper nacelle]

this is a nice exception

[rain cedar]

what

[copper nacelle]

Exception e; e.Message is null

[rain cedar]

Incredible

[copper nacelle]

I started a coroutine

The coroutine throws

I then try and stop the coroutine

Which is null after throwing

And that throws with a nice non-existent error message

Time to see if this even logs to output log

it does

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[copper nacelle]

If you wait a frame before throwing in a coroutine started by StartCoroutine it'll log from the started coroutine but not kill the starter

however if you don't it just kills the starter

[rain cedar]

With no log?

In the second case

[copper nacelle]

it logs

unfortunately

the 1st case also does not make the coroutine null

i think the one case i had of it not logging involved AddComponent but I'm not sure

[rain cedar]

I don't see why it would break on this specific add cg though

It's the same as all the others

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[rain cedar]

I'm gonna do something really dumb

This is probably pretty foolproof

Update calling MoveNext once per frame fucks up the timing super hard

[copper nacelle]

Shouldn't you get what it returns and then yield that

otherwise 1 second is going to be 1 frame

[rain cedar]

MoveNext returns a bool

Can you hook property getters in any way?

Doesn't seem to be in On.

[copper nacelle]

I think you can but due to inlining it won't always work

Oh

You call move next

And then you'd yield return popup.Current

I think

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.collections.ienumerator.current

[rain cedar]

Cool

I'll use that if I have to

For now though I'm gonna spam logs everywhere in the popup and run it on loop all night

Hope it breaks

Then look at the end of the terabyte long log file

Incredible

It broke on the first one

It's dying between those logs

So StopCoroutine

I guess I'll only call stop on it if it's still running

Even though that shouldn't break it anyway

[rain cedar]

@solemn rivet

[solemn rivet]

#notmyfault

[waxen wyvern]

Gradow your mod manager doesnt load the latest UHKP release (0.0.2)

[iron crown]

Gradow your mod manager gave me a fuvking virus

[ornate rivet]

Imagine using modinstaller when Crossroads exists

[hazy sentinel]

monkaHmm

[warped sinew]

@copper nacelle how do i make my thing say im playing silksong lol

people will die

[cunning lagoon]

in your settings

add your browser to it or something

[warped sinew]

oh right

ehh on second thought maybe i shouldnt

[mossy pike]

better put "Silksong dev build v0.355"

[dusky lion]

[warped sinew]

Graig Knight complete https://drive.google.com/open?id=1klc1JlKNGpr_h8qVl7XCymvvpJ4bUugJ

@young walrus

[weary oyster]

that's horrifying

[warped sinew]

you misspelled beautiful

[real furnace]

Amazing

[warped sinew]

lol the masks

[weak lodge]

Holy shit

What does the binding masks look like

[warped sinew]

its just my face again

[weak lodge]

Nice

[vapid cape]

Cursed image if there ever was one

[warped sinew]

i might stream some

[royal ridge]

beautiful

[floral furnace]

this is perfect

question

why

[warped sinew]

https://www.twitch.tv/graig1337/

[hollow hearth]

So where can i find the information and programs i need to make a modded boss?

[dark wigeon]

I know I haven't posted the editor yet or any news for a while but the editor is actually done, it's just the mod that isn't working correctly. Also I added in shader support for the editor but it seemed to pretty much break everything so I'm leaving it in as an option but wouldn't recommend it right now

[rain cedar]

@hollow hearth You can check out the code for other modded bosses

Not really any other resources

[hollow hearth]

hmmm

well fuck

[modest pine]

i wonder if someone could make a mod that adds a charm that allows you to fire smaller, less damaging shade souls at a faster rate while depleting soul more slowly

triple notch, just like flukenest

[hollow pier]

now imagine this but you start with a lance attack and slowly regenerating soul and 753 made it

[modest pine]

a lance?

[solar jacinth]

lightbringer

[weak lodge]

why

[solar jacinth]

wOw

[modest pine]

lightbringer is a bit odd
i'd want the charm i'd described to be an option as opposed to the weapon you gotta use from start to finish

also 753 why is "HOLLOW" colored rainbow

[weak lodge]

hollow six seige

[modest pine]

but anyway yeah, mega buster shade soul

[buoyant obsidian]

there's a charm in Lightbringer that does just what you described

[modest pine]

oh
i was looking at a playthrough of it and i just thought it was the lance
i gotta do some more looking

[buoyant obsidian]

it's 99% the lance but there's one charm that changes your basic attack to a weaker spell attack

[dusky lion]

I really really like this image

[modest pine]

wish i could find a list of charms someplace

[buoyant obsidian]

half the fun is finding them in my opinion so I've yet to put a list anywhere

[cunning lagoon]

(read as: he's too lazy to make a list)

[rain cedar]

@copper nacelle I need you to test what happens if you coerce something into an invalid struct type using as

Or I could test it myself in like 40 minutes

But I don't want to wait

[modest pine]

although the stuff i do see is pretty cool, wish it could be somehow integrated with a normal playthrough
being able to switch weapons n stuff, trading soul-per-strike for regen, all that junk

[rain cedar]

If you want a mod to exist you'll have to make it yourself

Or pay for it, but nobody seems to want to take that option ever

[modest pine]

im majoring in computer science for that very reason broski
although ive only started in january

[rain cedar]

:+1:

[dusky lion]

More people need to say broski

Thank you

[weak lodge]

finch that ted talk was amazing

[dusky lion]

No

[buoyant obsidian]

the only mod I know of that was paid for was no spiders lol

[rain cedar]

I'll never understand that

Spiders creep me the fuck out, I hate them

[cunning lagoon]

tf is no spiders

[rain cedar]

But deepnest is so cartoony and fake

[cunning lagoon]

oh i see

[buoyant obsidian]

the ones crawling on the screen were the issue

[cunning lagoon]

so what did you do with the enemies

did you replace them with some other sprite or just remove them

removed

[rain cedar]

You were correct the first time

[cunning lagoon]

oh

it sounded weird

[rain cedar]

Not really

Removed sounds weird

[cunning lagoon]

it did to me

[rain cedar]

You're switching tense randomly

[cunning lagoon]

ok bully

you are kicked from roll cancels

[rain cedar]

You can remove half of the sentence to see why it's weird

"did you just removed them"

[cunning lagoon]

right

[buoyant obsidian]

enemies weren't an issue

[modest pine]

does lightbringer keep the nail arts

[rain cedar]

I've solved the mystery

You can't use as with value types

Compile time error

[copper nacelle]

make the value type nullable

[rain cedar]

I don't actually have a use case for this I just wanted to know the behaviour

[worldly wren]

@modest pine Yeah, nail arts are there and unchanged. Imo it's good for NKG but everywhere else lances are superior in every way.

[modest pine]

less damaging tho

[fair rampart]

(hit.DamageDealt * hit.Multiplier) is the formula I want to use to account for fury damage right?

[ornate rivet]

@copper nacelle
all of hornet's animations play super fast like the slash attack I tried yesterday

[digital plinth]

Hello is there another co-op mod than dreamshield ?

[dusky lion]

Soon(TM)

[fair rampart]

it is in the works

[digital plinth]

ok thanks

[fair rampart]

literally the message before yours mentioned it

or at the very least refers to it

hornet's animations play super fast
refers to hornet co op partner that he is working on

[dusky lion]

You could not know that refers to multiplayer without context

[digital plinth]

yeah I didn't even know that hornet would be the second character playable

but it's okay haha

thank you anyway

[kindred sedge]

i thought it was just gonna be multiple vessels

feels like it would be easier to wait till silksong then copy that code into a mod for hollowknight with tweaking

[scenic slate]

Ima drop this here for no reason :> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSezjhXsfd5hRd37rtqrEFqvS9PXLHXfjuvOdKVer0-9jLn0Tg/viewform

[hazy sentinel]

thanks! just what I needed!

[cunning lagoon]

[ornate rivet]

inb4 abs rad is worst boss

[river eagle]

brb getting a couple VPN's to vote absrad 100 times

[mortal trout]

i already voted absrad as best boss

[ornate rivet]

hopefully at least flukemarm will go below abs rad

[hazy sentinel]

maybe try spelling the boss names correctly in your survey next time

[ornate rivet]

[river eagle]

Please don't try to change the emotion is supposed to convey

[weak lodge]

Please be active

[mortal trout]

i want to die

[hazy sentinel]

I love mods who are in touch with the community

[ornate rivet]

ok 🔫

wtf why does the gun look like a toy gun in ios

[weak lodge]

This

[hazy sentinel]

twitter sjw

[weak lodge]

You mean just Twitter

[ornate rivet]

do reactions in hk-announcements get deleted?

[copper nacelle]

it's weird

If you can get one reaction then right click => reactions it still says 1 but shows all 500

Idk what's up with it

It also seems to only happen on desktop

Mobile looks fine

[ornate rivet]

strange

[thorn comet]

@ornate rivet They don't no, but yeah mobile discord has that weird bug sometimes

For me desktop is always fine

[ornate rivet]

it's the opposite I think

[thorn comet]

but mobile doesnt show them all for some reason

Ohh

[ornate rivet]

on desktop they're all gone

at least on the browser version

[thorn comet]

this is my mobile rn

for the latest post

[ornate rivet]

Browser:

[thorn comet]

huh, and I swear theres even more

[ornate rivet]

mobile

[thorn comet]

Yeah there it is

weird hey

[ornate rivet]

this makes no sense

it's not even consistent across users

[thorn comet]

yeah exactly haha

weird af

[ornate rivet]

I have achieved nontoxic sherma

[cunning lagoon]

kys pig

i did not type this it was my friend

[weak lodge]

only pigs wear santa hats in march

[fair rampart]

[warped sinew]

@weak lodge hey I can stream another AB run again if you want. This time its not 3am and I have remembered the strats for collector ahha

[weak lodge]

haha nice i can watch sure

i got panth3 all bound btw

i was going to do pantheon 4 but i need to optimize my soul tyrant kills

[fair rampart]

AB P4 is much easier than P3, you'll do fine

[weak lodge]

i attempted it

1st try died at ST

[fair rampart]

not bad

[weak lodge]

nice TL this time

[warped sinew]

Yeah only "hard" part of P4 is PV. But considering you radiant nail only PP I think you'll be fine...

[weak lodge]

pv is a bit slow

[fair rampart]

I can offer a video if you'd like

[weak lodge]

of?

[fair rampart]

AB P4

[weak lodge]

i have all the bosses down already, its just to not fuck up

[fair rampart]

aight

[weak lodge]

still

post

[fair rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlnDnRWRv-0

[weak lodge]

after white defender is a rest right?

[fair rampart]

yes

[weak lodge]

alright he has died

WK are dead

this does not look good

[fair rampart]

looks like it's PV radiant time

[weak lodge]

he has failed thee

last phase too

ech

[warped sinew]

bl

[weak lodge]

at least im not one to get angry

[fair rampart]

g

[weak lodge]

bl?

[fair rampart]

bad luck

I think

yeah, bad rng

bullshit even

i think that's what bl means?

[weak lodge]

also the reason i died was i tried to panic heal

even though i was radianting it

i kept expecting the fakeout dash in phase 2

honestly i blame 56 and graig for getting me good at that fight

[hazy sentinel]

@cunning lagoon is bienvenid@ like a gender neutral meme

[hollow pier]

he is asleep

you'd know if you were in roll cancels

[hazy sentinel]

@blissful burrow is bienvenid@ like a gender neutral meme

[hazy sentinel]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[amber plank]

i think the game gets better and better not the reverse

[fair rampart]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[trim totem]

just debug mod your nail damage to 100

[young walrus]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[fair rampart]

nice copypasta

[trim totem]

n o

[amber plank]

its hard to tell when something is someones actual opinion or just a copy of something else

not falling for this again

[young walrus]

don't forget to copy the part where he says he platinum'd DS3

[fair rampart]

verulean posts paragraph rant
is this sarcasm or serious can't tell

[brazen mortar]

its hard to tell when something is someones actual opinion or just a copy of something else
not falling for this again

[copper nacelle]

its hard to tell when something is someones actual opinion or just a copy of something else
not falling for this again

[fair rampart]

someone want to help the chap in modding help?

idk what the issue is

[weak lodge]

its hard to tell when something is someones actual opinion or just a copy of something else
not falling for this again

[civic hare]

its hard to tell when something is someones actual opinion or just a copy of something else
not falling for this again

And this extends to the idea that Mao or any other revolutionary should make one "cum", as if communism is about individual gratification.

[mortal trout]

[queen prawn]

whats the mod app called

the one with custom knight

and zotes face

thx

wait no

i already have it

im lookin for the section that lets me install stuffs

[fair rampart]

**Mac**

Yes, mods can be installed on a mac.
You can use the installer
To run the installer:

1. Open the Terminal
2. Type cd $(dirname
3. Drag the exe onto the terminal.
4. Type ) then hit Return/Enter
5. Type mono --arch=32 (Note the space at the end)
6. Drag the exe onto the terminal and then hit Return/Enter

If this fails with bash: mono: command not found then

1. install mono here
2. Open a new terminal window
3. Type/paste in export PATH=/usr/local/bin:${PATH} and hit Return/Enter
4. Repeat steps 2-6 above.

[amber plank]

modinstaller is the thing that lets you install stuffs

im pretty sure

its in the name

[dusky lion]

its hard to tell when something is someones actual opinion or just a copy of something else
not falling for this again

[hollow hearth]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[rain cedar]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[dusky lion]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[vapid cape]

Since everyone's asking, I will answer! It's cause ur bad

[dusky lion]

unfortunate

[cunning lagoon]

@hazy sentinel yeah @ is like o/a

[dusky lion]

erulean

[ornate rivet]

this is a sad day

[iron crown]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[leaden hedge]

git gud

theres mods that make him several times harder

[cunning lagoon]

Can someone explain why this game seems be getting worse and worse? Right before this I finished the White Palace, if you know what I meanEvery boss so far has been just right, perfectly balanced other than maybe that other Pearson mantis boss in the queens gardens, which brings me to Nightmare king Grimm. He does absolutely too much damage, his speed wouldn’t be a problem if mixed with that. Is there a way to reduce either his speed and/ or attack damage? I’ve been trying everything and nothing seems to work. The only boss after this that looks like a pain is the nail masters and mantis sisters.

[modest tapir]

hey who help me? i want to try randomizer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeValyCLc0

[leaden hedge]

dlkurosh not you too FeelsBadMan

you already got gud

[floral furnace]

why do i feel like this came from the steam forums

[copper nacelle]

because it probably did

[floral furnace]

sorry im not a professional in Hollow Knight Steam Forum and Discussion Lore

[hazy sentinel]

actually it's from #hk-help

[floral furnace]

oh wow thats a first, usually once you know someone doesnt like HK they just stop messaging in help altogether

also i love the obligatory "mention other difficult game here" because apparently that automatically translates their skills

[vapid cape]

I'm legit guilty of that one and I'm ashamed of it

I fucking HATE wings of vi and tried to qualify it by listing my HARDGAYME background. It... obviously didn't work.

I still stand by that Wings of Vi is fucking garbage though

[dusky lion]

Unfortunate

[iron crown]

Played wings of vi for the difficulty

[hollow hearth]

Day one of trying to make a mod

I have no idea what the fuck im doing, but it looks like i need to do a lot

[fierce prism]

I feel like that's how my first month of trying to make a mod will look like

[jovial vault]

Honestly same

[copper nacelle]

it be like that

[kindred sedge]

why is there a sprite sheet called sprint thats seperate sprites from the knight sheet?

[mossy pike]

it's added sprites from the Hidden Dreams Update

it's called sprint cause there are sprites you see when you have Sprintmaster equipped

[floral furnace]

isnt SM from TGT

[mossy pike]

that... is a good point

but there are sprites from Dreamgate on that sheet too, and it was introduced in Hidden Dreams

so I don't know, maybe they added the sprintmaster sprites when HD was released but not the actual charm

[floral furnace]

makes sense

[dusky lion]

Someone describe this image to me I don’t have enough data to view it

[cunning lagoon]

LOL

[dusky lion]

[brazen mortar]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 360ms

[cunning lagoon]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 97ms

[cunning lagoon]

😎

[brazen mortar]

this is discrimination

and sexism

[dusky lion]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 204ms

[dusky lion]

[mortal trout]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 108ms

[dusky lion]

Long

Wrong

Dong

[solemn rivet]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 194ms

[solemn rivet]

[hazy sentinel]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 186ms

[hazy sentinel]

thanks school internet

[young walrus]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 155ms

[cunning lagoon]

bad runner blames internet

[hazy sentinel]

non-runner eats lunch more like

[fierce prism]

?ping

[autumn shard]

Pong! 134ms

[copper nacelle]

Cease

[cunning lagoon]

shutt up

stream

[hazy sentinel]

stream english

[hollow hearth]

?ping