archived-modding-development

[copper nacelle]

Yeah this isn't the one he was listening to

He was listening to 40oz

which is also good

but I like O.D. and G.O.A.T. better

@ornate rivet Are you gonna try the unity debugging thing

I'm going home for like 20m today so if you can't I could give it a shot

[cunning lagoon]

wow they give you a whole 20 minutes to chill in your home

[copper nacelle]

Same

[hollow pier]

the life of a modder slave is a tough one

[ornate rivet]

I am trying it right now

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

hi trying it right now

[copper nacelle]

tell me if it works

[ornate rivet]

ok

[copper nacelle]

You ever decompile your own mod because it's at home

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

I didn't put the source up

so I had to decompile it

it's shitcomputer

Gonna see if I can increase performance more

I can actually test w/ this computer

maybe I can get it playable in fullscreen

[cunning lagoon]

i was gonna listen to a song but i forgot the name

wooooooo

[hollow pier]

type what it sounds like

[ornate rivet]

reeeeeeee

[cunning lagoon]

i dont remember what it sounds like

i remember that there was a song i wanted to listen to

and when i went to type its name i forgot which song it wsa

[copper nacelle]

You patched the mono right

[ornate rivet]

yes

2017.4.10

is hk 32 or 64x

[copper nacelle]

32 on windows I think

[ornate rivet]

oh

that's why

[copper nacelle]

I remember angle saying something about it

cause it's 64 on linux

[cunning lagoon]

disgusting

[ornate rivet]

wtf

I dont have hk running

[cunning lagoon]

[ornate rivet]

restarting steam

lol

[cunning lagoon]

😂

[copper nacelle]

[mortal trout]

😹

[ornate rivet]

uhhhhhhhhh

[copper nacelle]

no

clap

[cunning lagoon]

wow nice get hacked

[copper nacelle]

d0xxed

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[cunning lagoon]

i cant believe saleh just said the s word

[dusky lion]

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

oh no

[copper nacelle]

?

[cunning lagoon]

not the lmaoception

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

[ornate rivet]

sigh

still says another instance already running

[cunning lagoon]

wtf he keeps saying the s word!!

someone stop him

[dusky lion]

sigh

[hollow pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKnwVvXkWq0 if you haven't heard it for some reason

extreme banger

[cunning lagoon]

i have

best celeste song

[hollow pier]

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

https://youtu.be/HO9AI32vcZ4

[cunning lagoon]

those are pretty good too

[hazy sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD85NCy65p8

[dusky lion]

speaking of audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB6sOhQan9Y

what if you wanted to say that is the best celeste song

but celeste said

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rwAvUvvQzQ

[cunning lagoon]

hard disagree on this being the best celeste track

[dusky lion]

kurosh has a different opinion than me making him tonight's biggest loser

[hollow pier]

the pokemon theme song is such a banger without the lyrics

[cunning lagoon]

the one veru linked is pretty good although not really my thing

[hollow pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMkIaP-UMzg&feature=youtu.be

[cunning lagoon]

sounds empty without the lyrics

[hollow pier]

lyrics worse change my mind

[cunning lagoon]

hey i didn't say better or worse

[ornate rivet]

I started debugging without steam on and now dnspy got kicked out of the debug mode but the game did run

[mortal trout]

beat the first boss

[hollow pier]

controller

[cunning lagoon]

keep it up

also blockrock has the best area music

cmm

[mortal trout]

blockrock music is really good

[hollow pier]

i forgot it

[cunning lagoon]

how can you fgorget it

https://youtu.be/zbadtCuaEkk

[hollow pier]

ah i remember now

[copper nacelle]

i agree with finch on this one tbh

[cunning lagoon]

shard wastelands is up there too

[hollow pier]

it sounds empty without the killboosts and gunboosts in there

[cunning lagoon]

oh actuallyt i think i might enjoy ocw a bit more than blockrock

i think its ocw > blockrock > darland ascent > wastelands

everything else

[ornate rivet]

going to try to do this instead

[copper nacelle]

👀

@cunning lagoon moonlight > everything else

[cunning lagoon]

battleblock theater also has a friggin great ost

yeah but i mean area music

[copper nacelle]

understandable

[hollow pier]

any play bbt

[cunning lagoon]

sure

[hollow pier]

nutty

[cunning lagoon]

now?

[hollow pier]

it's 1976mb

[dusky lion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_gObHt1uZA underrated song

[cunning lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHy81GG6k2o

actual banger

[hollow pier]

any tein track

banger

[cunning lagoon]

yes this is true

[hollow pier]

the end

[dusky lion]

pro tip: if a song is made by tim follin it is probably good

[hollow pier]

rofl

good work mag

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

tein rekky was beaten 4 days ago

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

old one stood for over a year

we have downloaded bbt

[cunning lagoon]

same

i hope it runs well

[hollow pier]

is this forgetting all my keybinds

[cunning lagoon]

i used to play controller so

this is like starting from scratch

[hollow pier]

c ntr ller

wtf is this

fix this shit

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

how do i fix this

[cunning lagoon]

whats the issue

[hollow pier]

ugly file help

[cunning lagoon]

i do not understand

[hazy sentinel]

have you tried fullscreen

[hollow pier]

you mean bad performance mode

[cunning lagoon]

We rec mmend a c ntr ller t play

[hollow pier]

[hazy sentinel]

@TС

[hollow pier]

how do you even do this

[hazy sentinel]

do what

[hollow pier]

is it online play -> host player match -> meme

[cunning lagoon]

fuck if i know

let me change my binds

[hollow pier]

alright

normal or insane

[cunning lagoon]

insane

we gamin

[hollow pier]

nutty

[cunning lagoon]

friendly reminder to turn vsync off

mine was on by default

[hollow pier]

i did

and enhanced bgs

[cunning lagoon]

nice i got a permanent white screen

[hollow pier]

is this cp hk

[hazy sentinel]

is this monitor without a polarizing filter

[fair rampart]

I haven't played BBT since I ragequit one those weekly challenge things

[hazy sentinel]

haven't played isaac since i died to a fire on basement 1 to end the daily

[hollow pier]

oh no

any verulean

[hazy sentinel]

what

[hollow pier]

any play

[hazy sentinel]

i was trying to get windowed borderless to tell you how to do it but launch options don't work

[hollow pier]

insane

[hazy sentinel]

there's also some github for "borderless gaming" which might work but i don't want to install it

[rain cedar]

It works fine I've used it before

[hazy sentinel]

not on bbt

unless you mean borderless gaming but it could be a virus

you never know what people post on github

[rain cedar]

what

You literally know exactly what they post

[compact sedge]

just use linux make every program borderless windowed ez

borderless windowed discord?

why not

[rain cedar]

Alright

[rain cedar]

This linux shilling is pointless

Everyone who talks here knows it's cool

I can't use it because shit doesn't run

[compact sedge]

but serious question who was like: "you know what, let's make it so you can make random apps like discord borderless windowed"

like this is the critical feature we are missing on our system

[rain cedar]

Chrome has it so you can probably do it on windows as well

F11 doesn't work though so idk

[compact sedge]

windows has windows enter I think

which might work idk

[rain cedar]

You mean alt+enter?

[compact sedge]

yeah

crap

[hazy sentinel]

alt+apostrophe

[compact sedge]

alright ima bind "make fullscreen" to alt enter just cuz why not

wait isn't that actually the return key

this keyboard is lying to me

tbh livesplit is probably the only thing that won't work on linux that y'all care about

I mean it'll work but no autosplitting or accurate timing mechanisms. I mean I wrote an "accuate" timer ie one that only runs when the game is running but its time differed from the livesplit time somehow and I'm not sure why

but I didn't write the timer to time the same way the livesplit timed

I checked if you were in a loading screen by hooking on after scene load and scene unload

[rain cedar]

Different and you're not sure why

Didn't write the same logic for timing

Hmmmmmmmm

[minor stream]

Can anyone list the non api mods for me please?

[rain cedar]

I don't even think there are any for current patch

[minor stream]

also Seanpr how does your Debug mod work?

[compact sedge]

No I mean I know why it's different but I don't know why the livesplit doesn't just do what I did

[rain cedar]

It works poorly

[compact sedge]

like technically my timer is more accurate to the actual time spent in game but the livesplit one ends up about 1-2minutes lower over say 4 hours

so all these speedrunners actually got worse loads removed times than they thought.

and also I literally only wrote it for myself so I could participate in a thing gradow roped me into before dropping out of

[minor stream]

Seanpr what does your charm notch mod do?

[copper nacelle]

Have you heard of

the summaries

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[copper nacelle]

amazing right

[compact sedge]

it's not very interesting is the answer to that question

[copper nacelle]

[compact sedge]

the mod I mean, nothing on it but like, rando 2 my dude

[solemn rivet]

rando2 is the shit

[compact sedge]

yeee

[copper nacelle]

You ever get a friend request from someone who's sent no messages here

[hazy sentinel]

perhaps they know you from fargos discord

[copper nacelle]

No the only common server is this one

[hazy sentinel]

perhaps they left fargos discord then sent you a friend request

[copper nacelle]

Same

@ornate rivet

[ornate rivet]

?

[copper nacelle]

32 bit

[ornate rivet]

yes I switched to 32 bit

[hazy sentinel]

you're welcome

[copper nacelle]

[ornate rivet]

sigh

time to report an issue

[copper nacelle]

No

[ornate rivet]

ok

[copper nacelle]

Nvm maybe

Game now crashes

[ornate rivet]

do the other thing that sounds cooler (turning a release build into a debug build) and tell me if you get the thing to work
I didn't get to do it because I had to leave and now I have to go to bed

[hazy sentinel]

just don't sleep like 56

[ornate rivet]

I have an interview tomorrow

[cunning lagoon]

arent you 17

[ornate rivet]

and I cant live past 9 pm

[cunning lagoon]

too young to be working imo

[weak lodge]

too old to be in the rice fields though

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[hazy sentinel]

too old to be in the textile mills

[weak lodge]

i mean

sigh

[ornate rivet]

can I sigh at my interviewer

[copper nacelle]

no

[ornate rivet]

and more importantly, will I get extra points for creativity if I manage to end the interview within 10 seconds of it starting?

[copper nacelle]

Oh it looks like it's 2018

[ornate rivet]

what is

[copper nacelle]

hk

[ornate rivet]

but

[copper nacelle]

or not

[copper nacelle]

[weak lodge]

applying for college
getting a job
we'll never see him again

[mortal trout]

this is so sad

[hazy sentinel]

finally he will stop shitting on hk lore with his modded bosses that make no sense

[copper nacelle]

hollow_knight.exe caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module hollow_knight.exe at 0023:e01c36fc.

ah yes

Hollow Knight [version: Unity 2017.4.10f1 (f2cce2a5991f)]

[ornate rivet]

oh look it's the same number

[copper nacelle]

Yeah I was trying 2018 because 2017 crashed violently

[ornate rivet]

I didn't get to sigh at veru because you posted your comment too quickly

spamming imo

goodnight

sigh

[copper nacelle]

no

[weak lodge]

yes

[copper nacelle]

disagree

[weak lodge]

cracker

[copper nacelle]

I think the GOG version might work

[dusky lion]

[copper nacelle]

no

[dusky lion]

[weak lodge]

finch

[dusky lion]

knightmere

[weak lodge]

where did you get that emote from

[dusky lion]

idk

its on my own server

i stole it from somewhere

[weak lodge]

how dare you steal my bbd which i stole an image and distorted it

[dusky lion]

unfortunate

[weak lodge]

it do

[dusky lion]

[weak lodge]

oh god ok i take it back

[dusky lion]

what if you wanted to read the stormlight archive

but stormlight archive said

highschool library dont have it

[copper nacelle]

.

[weak lodge]

no

[dusky lion]

public library that is 3 hours away have it but every single book by brandon sanderson there is checked out except the rithmatist which i have been enjoying

[weak lodge]

[copper nacelle]

@ornate rivet GOG runs

Yo I can actually see it go through each statement

This is so sick

[solemn rivet]

wdym 56

[copper nacelle]

I can set a breakpoint at attack

and see it go through tk2danimation.play

go into the loop

find the clip name

activate the fsm

etc

[solemn rivet]

"see" how?

[copper nacelle]

i hit the next step button

I can maybe record I have to go really soon

I'm checking if it was Steam or the API which was breaking it real fast

[solemn rivet]

wait, I'm missing something

[copper nacelle]

It was the api

I am fuck

[solemn rivet]

"next step"?

[copper nacelle]

I'll record lemme uninstall the api

https://youtu.be/wVVkD1T5PgA

I have to go so it's still uploading sorry

Skip to 2 minutes to see the cool shit

I think monomod hooks break it so I might build an API without those and try it whenever I'm able to be home again

@solemn rivet

Or if someone else could try it that'd be cool too

I don't think I'll be at my computer with time to try this till next week Friday

[solemn rivet]

I don't get it

when you were skipping stuff

is that the script order?

[copper nacelle]

That's the stuff in Attack()

I'm stepping through Attack

Every line in it

And every method it calls

This would be sick for mods

You could see what throws an exception at whatever line with whatever method call

This doesn't work with the API

I think because of MonoMod hooks being merged

which sucks

[solemn rivet]

just take them out again

[copper nacelle]

Yeah

But that breaks any mod which uses them

[solemn rivet]

I fail to see the issue

[copper nacelle]

I could probably get mods rebuilt but I'd have to first check that it's monomod hooks

I also have to check if adding monomod hooks even not merged into the api also kills it if it is monomod hooks

I can maybe ask 0x0ade

ahhh

Saleh went to sleep

Otherwise I'd build the API and ask him if he could try it

[fair rampart]

I'm about to sleep too

[copper nacelle]

ree

I can't run dnSpy on my mac

[dusky lion]

imagine sleeping

[copper nacelle]

finch can you test this

[dusky lion]

test what

im completely absent from the conversation

[copper nacelle]

Debugging mods via dnSpy with a new version of the API

[dusky lion]

implying i know what that entails

[copper nacelle]

ee

[dusky lion]

aa

[slow ridge]

i cant find the api install in the pinned messages

pls help

[hazy sentinel]

but that is modinstaller not modding api

[copper nacelle]

run the installer

???

profit

[slow ridge]

thank

[copper nacelle]

I can't even build the API on this computer

Really

fantastic

[compact sedge]

why not?

[copper nacelle]

Idk

It says part of the path doesn't exist

so I made it

and then tried to build again

and it deleted it

??????

and then complained about part of the path not existing

[hazy sentinel]

part of the path mod

[rain cedar]

Do it better

[copper nacelle]

You

[rain cedar]

nah

[hazy sentinel]

take a sad song

[rain cedar]

@copper nacelle

Looks so much nicer without your clutter

Wait he's muted

This is new to me

I assume it's the r spam in general

[fair rampart]

mods are gay

[rain cedar]

who

[fair rampart]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat its a great name

[hollow pier]

well now that we are in need of a new modding staff i nominate dlkurosh

[cunning lagoon]

i agree with ptkyr

[rain cedar]

Make a mod first then we can talk

[floral furnace]

i agree with kuro agreeing with ptk

[cunning lagoon]

i did

[hollow pier]

he made betterdebug

[rain cedar]

Prove it

[hollow pier]

nutty mod

[rain cedar]

Is that just a small modification of mine?

[cunning lagoon]

yes

[rain cedar]

Doesn't count

[cunning lagoon]

i will be the judge of that

[floral furnace]

are you gonna sue him for that

[rain cedar]

Idk if I ever put a license on debug

But if I did it would be MIT or GPL

[cunning lagoon]

well it's mine now

yoink

[rain cedar]

I mean yeah that's the point of MIT and GPL

It's so anyone can use it

[rain cedar]

Does this look better or worse than just the number?

[compact sedge]

wow holy shit 56 got muted from here

[rain cedar]

I mean he totally deserved it

[compact sedge]

idk 56 acts weird sometimes

22 times he's joined and left this server and I can't understand why

[floral furnace]

hes phasing in and out of reality

[compact sedge]

I bet you would too if you weren't the first person to join the server

[floral furnace]

hmmmm

[compact sedge]

it's like that one time benji permabanned me from using zote but I convinced someone else to unban me

good times

[floral furnace]

[royal ridge]

It wasn't a perma ban?

[compact sedge]

well ;ignore lasts forever @royal ridge so it sorta was permanent

[royal ridge]

It was while we sorted out what you were talking about

Saying you could ruin Hollowmas wasn't taken lightly what can I say

[hollow pier]

it was rigged from the beginning

[compact sedge]

eh you guys may not like me very much and the feeling might be mutual but I'm no grinch

[royal ridge]

It was a precaution, not a perma-ban

Sorry if you took it that way but the intention was to unignore after it was sorted out / discussed

[compact sedge]

look idk what u guys do behind the scenes

you never communicate with me except for long after the fact

so like

ofc ima make assumptions

[rain cedar]

The muted role is also "permanent"

Doesn't really mean anything

[compact sedge]

dyno has a timer p sure

[hollow pier]

proven fact that icono runners never cause any trouble

[cunning lagoon]

when is bbt insane hundo

[rain cedar]

I mean risky and I pissed off the death's gambit mods super hard

[hollow pier]

[rain cedar]

But that's just because they were idiots

[hollow pier]

dg

[floral furnace]

deaths gambit

@ gradow

[hollow pier]

if hundo includes first ch2 time trial then never

[cunning lagoon]

lmfao

we'll figure something out

there are probably worse levels to come

[hollow pier]

is it a free rekky

[cunning lagoon]

no one has done an insane run

everyone does normal

[hollow pier]

noob gamers

step aside

[cunning lagoon]

although the normal rekky also looks fairly beatable

[hollow pier]

nutty

[compact sedge]

alright, confession time. I don't think I'm ever gonna make a hollow knight mod again

[cunning lagoon]

damn

not even redwing cp2

[hollow pier]

iconoclasts autosplitter is not a hollow knight mod consider this

[cunning lagoon]

^

[compact sedge]

redwing cp2 is half done and I have 0 motivation to finish it

[floral furnace]

is it because of the level editor

[compact sedge]

redwing cp1 already accomplished my dreams it already did what I set out to do with a hollow knight mod

and the only reason I would make redwing cp2 is for the people here, for the modding community

and well

I

[rain cedar]

Lol making mods for people

[compact sedge]

Just

can't bring myself to care

[floral furnace]

also tbf forcing yourself to do something you dont find fun is as detrimental to be tbh , so either take a break i guess

[rain cedar]

It's impossible to care what people think of your mods

I do mod dev only if I feel like it and currently enjoy it

[hollow pier]

sean rando does not have a steel soul option and is therefore a shit mod

[cunning lagoon]

this is true

[floral furnace]

if randomizer is so good why didnt it save my marriage and why did i lose custody over my children

[compact sedge]

honestly it's impossible to not care what people think of my mods

and what they think is that the best thing I've ever done is infinite notches

and the worst thing I've ever done is redwing

and that I should be blocked from using the zote bot

[rain cedar]

Redwing doesn't help people cheat p5

[compact sedge]

oh sure it does

[hollow pier]

debug however does

thank you seanpr

[compact sedge]

u ever try p5 with redwing

it's a fuckn joke

[hollow pier]

63/63 all because of you

[rain cedar]

I've never even played redwing at all

[cunning lagoon]

bless seanpr

[rain cedar]

And only seen screenshots and like 30 seconds of gameplay

[coral owl]

I'm rather new to modding this game., so sorry if I'm bothering. Also I'm rather new to C# (studied Java and Python). Is it possible with your API to mod charm effects? I'm having a strange problem with using the ModHook where it literally isn't reading anything from the OnAttack() or AfterOnAttack() function calls. Not even the example mods provided by Seanpr seem to work.

Oh and hello btw

[hollow pier]

hello desmond

[coral owl]

😃

[rain cedar]

The example mods were actually made by wyza

And yeah they don't work

Charm effects is possible but not really beginner friendly

[coral owl]

Oh okay, sorry I got it off of Seanpr's github

[urban olive]

I’m so sad that deaths gambit wasn’t good

[rain cedar]

You'll want the fsm viewer if you try out that

[coral owl]

I mean yours

lol

Okay, understand.

So what does the fsm viewer do?

I hadn't seen that before

[compact sedge]

(oh that too, lots of misattribution of credit. 56 gets credit for everything I've done in redwing and GCU and that's ok with me cuz 56 is a cool person but it's just the last person to fork a project that gets recognition.)

[rain cedar]

Almost everything in this game runs via state machines made in a visual editor rather than C#

It used to be terrible to work with but we have tools that make it not so bad now

[coral owl]

Oh okay. Very interesting.

[rain cedar]

The fsm viewer shows that stuff

[cunning lagoon]

how can 56 be a cool person if he's muted

[coral owl]

Is there a reason the devs used state machines?

[rain cedar]

They can't code

[coral owl]

Oh okay.

Fair play

[rain cedar]

They're artists/designers only

[compact sedge]

this is so sad @copper nacelle is no longer a modder

[coral owl]

Yeah my brother is into unreal and lives by the Blueprint system

Well their art is amazing

That's interesting that game designer/artists can go without coders these days. Very cool.

[rain cedar]

I wouldn't go that far

The game was an absolute mess on release that ran incredibly poorly

It's still not super great

[coral owl]

Oh I see. I hadn't really played older builds.

[compact sedge]

eh at least they delivered their linux port cough rainworld cough

[rain cedar]

"port"

It's unity

[compact sedge]

so is rainworld

[rain cedar]

Odd

[coral owl]

Well thank you so much for your help. I'm going to get to work on it. Nice to meet you guys. I may stop by again for banter some time. 😉

[cunning lagoon]

[compact sedge]

(plus the devs have an ama and the one topic they banned questions on was about releasing rainworld for other platforms. to put it in perspective they are in the 10% of kickstarters that promised a linux port in the kickstarter and never delivered.)

[rain cedar]

Oh well

The only linux I ever use is my pi anyway

[compact sedge]

I'm salty cuz that was the game I wanted to mod next but uh

maybe I'll do uh

huh

[cunning lagoon]

iconoclasts

[hollow pier]

icono splitter

[compact sedge]

idk icono maybe?

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

he will actually do it

[compact sedge]

I'm not making anything for livesplit

period

[hollow pier]

[rain cedar]

Iconoclasts isn't C# but looks to be almost completely data driven

[cunning lagoon]

understandable

[rain cedar]

So it might not be too bad

[hollow pier]

mod out omega controller

[cunning lagoon]

mod in a white skip autosave

real shit

[hollow pier]

this

[compact sedge]

also I need to actually play the game that would be smart

[cunning lagoon]

that'd save unnecessary hours of practice

[hollow pier]

then we can see if it's patched or not

even though it is

100%

[compact sedge]

speaking of c# games. is dead cells unity sean?

[cunning lagoon]

i will get it once just to prove you wrong

[compact sedge]

asking for a friend

[rain cedar]

Don't own it

[hollow pier]

is the only icono mod changing parameters with that weird thing

[rain cedar]

what

[hollow pier]

like 0 cooldown

[cunning lagoon]

cheat engine?

[rain cedar]

Cheat engine isn't a mod lol

[hollow pier]

so there are no mods

[rain cedar]

To my knowledge yes

[compact sedge]

oh so no modding api either?

[rain cedar]

It's not C#

I'm not gonna be the one doing assembly modding

[compact sedge]

does it have its own api tho?

[rain cedar]

No

[compact sedge]

ok

that or well it's not really a mod but I'm making a kerbal space program rocket control program

[hollow pier]

folks eroico is still on the table

[compact sedge]

that is written in c++

[rain cedar]

Feel free to make an API I can interop with from C#

That would be cool

[compact sedge]

so it's not at all a game mod it just uses an api that exposes the game's modding api to 3rd party programs

on a socket

[rain cedar]

Neat

[compact sedge]

but idk how many people even care about that video game

[rain cedar]

A few at least

[cunning lagoon]

at least 3

[compact sedge]

I just love the idea of controlling rockets entirely with software cuz it's more realistic since speed of light limits you from realistically piloting it in real time.

and the way the bindings are written I can basically take my program I'm writing, change like 3-4 lines, and it will work on real rockets too probably

or on other rocketry software like orbitter (if that had an api)

[rain cedar]

Oh no that wasn't a good idea everything is broken

[compact sedge]

oh that path

[cunning lagoon]

oh for the question you asked before

it looks worse but its more practical so

[compact sedge]

why the \

[cunning lagoon]

i think its better

[compact sedge]

when the rest is /

[rain cedar]

Idk it doesn't really matter

[floral furnace]

have you tried checking the modlog.txt

[rain cedar]

It must be constructed from multiple places

And somewhere puts '/' while the other puts Environment.whateveritis

[blissful burrow]

Hey why is no one streaming icono?

I need to sleep

[cunning lagoon]

acrid and being awake at 7 am

[rain cedar]

I'm doing mod dev

[cunning lagoon]

name a more iconic duo

[blissful burrow]

Please help a man out

[rain cedar]

He's done it

[compact sedge]

holy crap do we have mods with ctors now

[rain cedar]

You could always put a constructor it just wasn't a good idea

[compact sedge]

https://github.com/natis1/redwing/blob/master/redwing/redwing.cs#L29

never stopped me, used it to get spaces in my modname

[rain cedar]

Ok well I dunno what jank shit you did to make that work because name is readonly

But uhhh

Now with 100% less breaking everything

[compact sedge]

lul once I figured out this one trick I used it in all my mods:

https://github.com/natis1/combomod/blob/master/combomod/combo_mod.cs#L54

redwing is using "modern mod" which is more or less a copy paste of your mod class but with 2 save files and custom savefile names

[rain cedar]

It would have been like the same amount of effort to fix it in api

Literally it

[compact sedge]

yeah but then redwing wouldn't have been the unique mod that did something no other mod did

[rain cedar]

Constrcuts

assignes

Someone had a stroke while writing this

I want to rework the entire Mod class at some point too

Deprecate the pointless generic and just have settings members that you can leave null

[compact sedge]

yes pls

also

can we get a better name for the settings file

than

modname.GlobalSettings.json

please

or at least the option to set it to w/e we want?

also redwing is gonna be obstinate and use 2 settings files because .jsons are annoying to edit and there's too many settings in that mod to put in one json and have it not be annoying to edit by hand

so maybe uh, idk if it's possible to serialize settings so that it's just: var, value; var, value

but

if we could

that would be infinity better than

var, var, var, var; value, value, value, value

idk tho

[rain cedar]

That's a limitation of the unity serializer

I guess we could do custom serialization but it's not really worth the effort

Biggest effect is it would break everyone's settings

[compact sedge]

yeah true

[fair rampart]

why is 56 muted?

what happened

[mortal trout]

he spammed "r" in general

[ornate rivet]

sigh

seems a bit silly to mute someone who stopped when they were told to stop

typical

[mortal trout]

no warning to stop until after they stopped but still got muted

[royal ridge]

seems a bit silly to spam when you've been here long enough to know the rules

[ornate rivet]

disrupting so much conversation

[royal ridge]

oh yes that makes it fine

fastest delete this side of the galaxy

[native wing]

delete this side of the galaxy

[ornate rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-erase-not-worth-forget-it-clean-slate-gif-8510937

[royal ridge]

Regardless he's already been unmuted

[fair rampart]

that url tho

[ornate rivet]

couldn't you just make a bot that checks for tenor.com and deletes (or embeds <>) a user's post

if you wanted to disable the gifs

[royal ridge]

Theoretically yes

[fair rampart]

but that's just a theory

[ornate rivet]

while we're on the subject, wouldn't it be a good if pictures/links posted on #hk-help were embedded?

so someone who is scrolling through the chat asking for help doesn't get spoiled by a picture?

[royal ridge]

Good point

[native wing]

yes

[fair rampart]

Modding Idea: The Knight bossfight unlocked by getting the Void Idol in HoG

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[mortal trout]

s i g h

[fair rampart]

there's already a statue for it

[dusky lion]

modding idea
Hey guys i have idea for mod! You can make play able bosses mod but here player cant use knight's scills only scills of boss

[native wing]

wow that s cool cool very very

[fair rampart]

Bonfire mod is compatibile with Lightbringer arrows?

[copper nacelle]

no

[fair rampart]

Dang

How do i turn off debug mod gui?

(Sorry for many questions, i can't find answer)

[copper nacelle]

F1

[fair rampart]

thx

[ornate rivet]

incredible

[copper nacelle]

same

[ornate rivet]

please explain why the pale lurker statue moves

[copper nacelle]

You fucked up the z

hollow knight uses parallax

[ornate rivet]

the z is the same as the grimm statue

[copper nacelle]

set it to 0

[ornate rivet]

ok

[copper nacelle]

error4

[ornate rivet]

?

those logs are useless

too lazy to delete them

[copper nacelle]

[ornate rivet]

why does setting the z to 10 make the screen shake and turns half of HoG black

[copper nacelle]

Idk

RNG mod does that to HoG about half the time

[ornate rivet]

oof

nvm now it happens all the time

sigh

[copper nacelle]

nice

[ornate rivet]

disabling debug mod fixed it

[hazy sentinel]

insane

[fair rampart]

I don't understand how it decides which person is in what placement when they all have 0

[solemn rivet]

OwenOwl

[fair rampart]

or ties in general

[copper nacelle]

first person to get the score probably

[fair rampart]

isaac in first person

[copper nacelle]

@rain cedar

[hollow pier]

is this another runner

[compact sedge]

how tf has 56 not lost their modding staff role to unprofessionalism at this point

this is like, the 7th time they've been muted

[hollow pier]

angle we get it you want modding staff

[compact sedge]

not really

I'm hardly active here now

[copper nacelle]

I've been muted all of once

big think

[compact sedge]

damn huh

[copper nacelle]

still one too many but you live you learn i guess

[compact sedge]

but no I'm an outsider to this "community" so I'd be a bad person to moderate it @hollow pier

[copper nacelle]

Same

[hollow pier]

just think react

easy

[copper nacelle]

relevant

[dusky lion]

My first frequently used is forever 😂 and I don't know why

[copper nacelle]

Delete

[dusky lion]

I've used it a grand total of 3 times and counting but it just stays there

It never moves

[hollow pier]

3 maggots in freq used seems good

[fair rampart]

gif function broke

[copper nacelle]

Good

[fair rampart]

uhhh

pins broke

discord you gud?

[copper nacelle]

uhh

Wtf

[dusky lion]

inb4 every single pin was wiped

[hollow pier]

i can't believe 56 unpinned everything

[copper nacelle]

Same

I'm gonna assume it's just discord because every channel is missing its pins

[fair rampart]

hallownest server too

[ornate rivet]

all our pins are gone

all that work

[dusky lion]

But will they come back or are they eternally wiped

[native wing]

haha hee hee

[fair rampart]

I can't edit messages either

[mortal trout]

it's fine for me

[fair rampart]

edgy has hacked the mainframe

[hollow pier]

i can't believe 56 unpinned every pin discord wide

except on edgy's computer

[mortal trout]

[cunning lagoon]

56 is back

[mortal trout]

wait there's no pinned messages on every channel except this one

wtf

[hollow pier]

i can't believe 56 got into action so quickly and removed them on edgy's computer except for modding

[cunning lagoon]

Help is Discord dead

[hollow pier]

hmmm

seems to be extremely slow and multiple things are broken so i'd say yes

[copper nacelle]

Don't refresh

It kills your discord

[hollow pier]

[native wing]

oh no

[fair rampart]

mods are still gay

[hazy sentinel]

very nice

[dusky lion]

ive finally managed to make it into modding

[copper nacelle]

why

[dusky lion]

your 16th letter

[copper nacelle]

sorry im already token

[dusky lion]

incredible

[iron crown]

r

[dusky lion]

r

i had to send that twice in order for it to send

[iron crown]

I tried to send r at least four times in general and all of them failed

[slate owl]

Hey. Anyone worked on a new randomizer helper?

[cunning lagoon]

he has done it

actual monster

[compact sedge]

wait are you the guy that made that one game @slate owl

or are you just named after it

[slate owl]

Well, Im making the MMO Raining Chain.

[compact sedge]

yee

that one

I heard about it cuz I think I looked at your youtube one time

[slate owl]

Nice

[cunning lagoon]

i don't think anyone has made a new randomizer helper no

[slate owl]

And are players using the new randomizer or are sticking with the old one?

[cunning lagoon]

former

[young walrus]

Old one doesn't work on CP

[late plover]

What are some fun mods to start with?

[fair rampart]

second most popular question of the day

right after, "why is discord broken?"

[slate owl]

What does No Claw do in the Randomizer?

[cunning lagoon]

removes claw from the item pool

[fair rampart]

completely!?

[cunning lagoon]

yes

[fair rampart]

don't you need it?

[cunning lagoon]

sean added platforms and stuff to make items that require claw reachable

[slate owl]

And what does All Bosses/ skills/charms do?

[cunning lagoon]

you can't enter the black egg temple without getting all of them

so if you turned all skills on you need al l skills

[young walrus]

Damn. No claw must be new then

[rain cedar]

Been there for like a month

[young walrus]

Is it in the middle column?

[slate owl]

{"name":"Grubberfly's_Elegy","requirements":"EVERYTHING"},

-.-

[fair rampart]

lol

[rain cedar]

Yeah, middle column

[young walrus]

Probably why I haven't seen it. Lol.

[hollow pier]

are there shade cloak grubs

[slate owl]

Probably just gonna skip that in the rando helper.

[young walrus]

Interesting setting.

[cunning lagoon]

no pete

[young walrus]

Elegy is always compass

[hollow pier]

so it's not really everything 😮

[cunning lagoon]

:o

[hollow pier]

the massive logic break

compass without shade cloak

[cunning lagoon]

pete sign up for the 106 race

[hollow pier]

no

[cunning lagoon]

consider my counterpoint:

yes

[hollow pier]

no

[cunning lagoon]

i can't believe you've dnoe this

[dusky lion]

counterargument:

yes

[hollow pier]

playing a shit game for 4 hours

[cunning lagoon]

it's only 4 hours if you ar shit

[hollow pier]

it would be my first run without knowing the route

probably will be

[cunning lagoon]

but you have watched ax enough to know at least strats and something about the route

my first run was 3h15m

and you probably get to beat timesink at something

[hollow pier]

yes i do in fact know how to

1. die in sanctum
2. die to baldur shell
3. forget dshield
4. forget dgates
5. die to colo3
6. never finish runs

[cunning lagoon]

you are right we should just do aNY5% no airswim races

[copper nacelle]

any% relaxed

[cunning lagoon]

that way we can fit 2 runs in the length of a 106 run

56 i saw you bought icono

how is that coming along

[hollow pier]

have you beaten controller

[dusky lion]

what if you wanted to say something

but discord said

fuck you im not sending message

[slate owl]

Where are acid skip settings considered in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Resources/items.xml ?

[copper nacelle]

i haven't opened it

[cunning lagoon]

what

[copper nacelle]

it's ACID

[mortal trout]

iconoclasts challenge mode has been fun so far

[cunning lagoon]

fix this

it gets better when youi make it to mendeleev

[slate owl]

ACID is Isma's_Tear

It refers to whether or not you have Isma's_Tear.

It doesnt refer to the setting value.

[young walrus]

Not sure there's acid skips required anywhere

[slate owl]

Are all places where Ismas Tears required skippable?

[cunning lagoon]

i think there's a skip for unn but that's not in logic i don't think

[young walrus]

Shape of unn requires ismas for non mag

Monomon would be the only place

No acid skip required for actual ismas pick up

[slate owl]

Whats mag?

[young walrus]

Mag skips

[copper nacelle]

@ moglar5K#9541 skips

[cunning lagoon]

r

[young walrus]

Not rta viable skips

[slate owl]

Seems to involve longnail.

[young walrus]

Longnail baldur kill is one variant, yes

And VS only to get to thorns

Shape of unn no ismas

Stuff like that

[slate owl]

Even the hard preset puts mag skip to false.

[young walrus]

Which it shud

[copper nacelle]

Because they aren't rta viable

[young walrus]

^

[copper nacelle]

and thorns isn't even possible anymore

it's still in there though

[slate owl]

Im pretty sure the randomizer is broken for Shape of Unn and acid skip settings.

[rain cedar]

Nah it's fine

There's no acid skips that matter for progression

[slate owl]

Couldnt Shape of unn be dream nail?

[rain cedar]

What's that have to do with anything?

[slate owl]

You cant beat the game if you dont have dream nail?

[rain cedar]

That is correct yes

You don't need dream nail to get to unn

[slate owl]

Actually the real question is.

In the <logic> boolean expression.

Do you replace ACID by true if the acid skip setting is true?

Or you replace it when Isma's_Tear is obtained.

[rain cedar]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Resources/items.xml#L920

[slate owl]

So where do you take into consideration the Acid skip setting then?

[rain cedar]

Nowhere

It's completely irrelevant

[slate owl]

Then why have it as a setting lol XD

[rain cedar]

It's relevant for love key

So some day

[copper nacelle]

rando charm notches and then add it for the zote fog canyon notch acid skip

[slate owl]

Ok, so theres no problem.

[cunning lagoon]

why do you spam wrench + charge shots no helicopter but wrench + normal shots on bird

what makes the charged shots more efficient on helicopter

[rain cedar]

Charge shot is worse

I'm not doing regular shots fuck that

[cunning lagoon]

oh

[rain cedar]

I don't even wrench helicopter at all

[cunning lagoon]

fair enough

[slate owl]

New rando boolean logic is rather intimidating.

[rain cedar]

The logic is parsed via these if you want to look at it https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Randomization/LogicManager.cs#L91 https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/Randomization/LogicManager.cs#L147

First one is loading of the XML and preprocessing to make it fast

Second one is for actual parsing of item logic during randomization

Wait I put the wrong link first

There

[slate owl]

Why arent shop considered like normal items?

[rain cedar]

They're not normal items

They're shop items

[slate owl]

For the boolean logic, it doesnt matter.

[rain cedar]

A shop item is treated the same as any other when placing it

[slate owl]

Nvm, your xml does more than just boolean logic.

[rain cedar]

Yeah

It does everything

Shop type basically just flags it as having no associated location

Since the shop locations are handled further down

[slate owl]

https://puu.sh/CvHhM.png

[copper nacelle]

nice

[slate owl]

Not sure if "exploding" the condition is a good idea.

[rain cedar]

Probably not

Some of those are a bit of a mess

[slate owl]

Ill leave it like that for now.

At least it works.

[solemn rivet]

Unn acid skip is pretty rta viable tbh

I got it in like 5 tries during a run once

[cunning lagoon]

i legit dont understand why im getting softlocked at shockwoods

i shot upwards while spamming pause and it still softlocked me

[rain cedar]

any stream

[hollow pier]

it's not hard just spam

[cunning lagoon]

i think i kinda get it

i might have been releasing gun too early

[fair rampart]

nice double typo

[cunning lagoon]

i hve livesplit open so i cant use my arrow keys

[hollow pier]

using bad hotkeys

[cunning lagoon]

so do i stream

also pete are we doing bbt today

[rain cedar]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

ok

gimme like 10 minutes to get some coffee and take a dump

[copper nacelle]

wow kuro finally taking gameobject dumps

[rain cedar]

wow 56 finally spamming in #off-topic

[copper nacelle]

r

[cunning lagoon]

R

[copper nacelle]

no

[mortal trout]

R

[dusky lion]

r

[hollow pier]

i got a 2 attack carver

[slate owl]

Do we have download stats for mods?

[copper nacelle]

@compact sedge is this u

[compact sedge]

I have download stats for my mods

as for modding api and modcommon

not any more

thanks 56

[copper nacelle]

updating 3 places is a pain

[compact sedge]

it's something like ~100 downloads per month

which I think translates to like, 20 active users max

[copper nacelle]

Total or per mod

[compact sedge]

for my mods

[copper nacelle]

but for all your mods

or for each of your mods

[compact sedge]

it's around 250 for infinite grimm and infinite notches and like, 50 or so for redwing

[copper nacelle]

wow nice

[compact sedge]

I haven't checked in the last month tho cuz I just don't care much about modding

so all this data was from like

2 weeks before godmaster to around november

56 you're free to check if you care

[copper nacelle]

cool

[compact sedge]

well actually I might need to reset your account tbh cuz I moved servers one too many times and now I'm back on a vps

[copper nacelle]

nice

[slate owl]

Ill add a more obvious link to the randomizer on my HK map page.

[compact sedge]

nice

[copper nacelle]

@dusky lion my headphones weren't at max quality either

[dusky lion]

very nice

check your mic too

[copper nacelle]

that one was actually at highest

incredible

[dusky lion]

incredible

now set your headphone quality to the lowest possible setting and listen to your favorite song

[compact sedge]

do you guys actually care enough about mod stats to want me to bother doing this

oh also https://radiance.host/apidocs/ is back

I know 56 you pinned a worse version of that above so if you wouldn't mind pinning one that displays the docs properly that would be cool

kthx

[icy magnet]

soo uh i really wanna play this game again with some mods, but i might need a list and some info on the mods. thanks in advance