archived-modding-development

[weak lodge]

have some jump and have some charge

ez

also moss balls

there an actual solid boss

[ornate rivet]

we dont have jumping animation for moss charges though

unless we shrink the massive moss charger

that could work

[weak lodge]

oh you can shrink

seems good

[ornate rivet]

I mean, they made the primal aspid bigger

so I would assume so

I've never done it though

[fair rampart]

well, there is no situation where you fight multiple moss chargers at once

so just have normal ones

see how it goes

[ornate rivet]

gameobject.transform.setScale

or something like that

[weak lodge]

i thought they would all follow a pattern, as in one attack for all of the m to charge one after the other, and another all jump, and another a variation etc

[fair rampart]

but give the big guy something like moss balls whenever it leaps

[ornate rivet]

moss balls?

[weak lodge]

no make all of them shoot moss balls before attacking

ye

[ornate rivet]

hmm

[weak lodge]

moss knight balls

[ornate rivet]

ah ok

[fair rampart]

Thorn Spit: spits a projectile of thorns at the Knight that travels in a parabolic arc. This projectile cannot be destroyed.

[ornate rivet]

yea I get it

[weak lodge]

what

they can be destroyed

thats a lie

[ornate rivet]

yes

they can be destroyed with nail

oh

[weak lodge]

it says they cannot

what alie

[fair rampart]

can they, I though it was just spells that did it

[ornate rivet]

@lone rune ^^^^^

[weak lodge]

in modding why

i mean

#hk-discussion

works

[fair rampart]

because it is on topic here

[weak lodge]

tbh

so 4 of them just come out one after the other

[ornate rivet]

I was thinking 2 at once from opposite sides

[lone rune]

they can be destroyed?

[weak lodge]

yes

[ornate rivet]

yes

[lone rune]

let me see who wrote this on the wiki

[weak lodge]

idk i just thought 4 of them coming one after the other would be cool

would force theknight to nailbounce into the air

[lone rune]

wtf it used to say "This projectile can be destroyed"

ok I'll change it, thanks for letting me know

[weak lodge]

plus dealing with moss balls as soon as one emerges

nice

sounds like a decent fight

np

[fair rampart]

so the fight will be 2 phases:
phase 1 is MMC, but it does moss balls on leap
phase 2 you have to fight off all 4 moss chargers at once(should prob have increased hp btw)

should anything be done to the charge attack?

[weak lodge]

na

if they all come one after the other

it's keeping the pressure

[fair rampart]

like 2 at a time

one from each side

[weak lodge]

oh

i thought they came from one side

that works too

[ornate rivet]

that's what I said before

[weak lodge]

saleh stalkerman

[fair rampart]

if you are at one side, then make it come from the middle and the opposite side

[weak lodge]

ah

makes sense

ok so all their attacks would vary from jumping to charge right

[ornate rivet]

knightmere this would be a good boss to start modding on

do it

[weak lodge]

hah

i just give ideas here

[ornate rivet]

then nathan should do it

you're not working on anything nathan, right?

[weak lodge]

nate is already occupied though

better charms right

?

[ornate rivet]

I thought he finished that

[weak lodge]

or did you finish

[fair rampart]

I did not finish

[ornate rivet]

sigh

new upgrades would be nice for an ng+ mode

[fair rampart]

And boss modding seems a bit more complex

[weak lodge]

hk ng+ mod late 2019™

is it possible

[ornate rivet]

what is

[weak lodge]

new upgrades

[ornate rivet]

of course

fitting them in the menu would probably be more cancerous than making the new upgrade

[weak lodge]

and how would you achieve them in godseeker mode

[ornate rivet]

defeating bosses?

[weak lodge]

oh

i thought like pantheons

[ornate rivet]

make the player get the godtuner from the very beginning

and if they beat a certain number of bosses, the godtuner gives them new upgrades

[weak lodge]

does it just have to be beaten or does beating a radiant boss yeild somthing else

[ornate rivet]

oh I thought this was going to be ng+ for the entire game

not just godhome

[weak lodge]

oh

i thought we'de have it just for godhome

cause

godseeker mode would now be useful

as ng+ save

[ornate rivet]

it would be easier too

since ng+ for the entire game would mean we would need to upgrade enemies too

[weak lodge]

[ornate rivet]

yea I think that's a more achievable goal to get done before hornet dlc is released

if we do add upgrades, how we would give them to the player would depend on how many upgrades we add

[weak lodge]

do all boss changes have to be balls to the wall or would some be like a simple speed increase for certain attacks

[ornate rivet]

all of them should be super cool

[weak lodge]

like oro and mato for example

what if you just sped up their nail arts

[ornate rivet]

we can add more to them

[fair rampart]

make TL have the QG arena on ascended

[weak lodge]

y?

[ornate rivet]

elegy beams would be good

[weak lodge]

to oro and mato?

[ornate rivet]

yes

[weak lodge]

what sense would it make?

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[fair rampart]

none

[weak lodge]

ooo

maybe the earthquake effects

like soul master and failed champion does

[ornate rivet]

idk how to do screenshake

but I doubt it's hard

[weak lodge]

no i mean

the attack

[ornate rivet]

OH

the wave

[weak lodge]

yes

[ornate rivet]

yea that should be good

[weak lodge]

also speed them up theyre too slow

[ornate rivet]

yes, all bosses will be sped up

[weak lodge]

oh god

sheo needs a heavy speed increase for sure

[ornate rivet]

yes

[weak lodge]

also he's very flexible cause he has his own paint projectiles

[ornate rivet]

I want bouncing streaks of paint

even though that makes no sense

[weak lodge]

oh god oh fuck

i thought maybe when he did the yellow attack yellow particles would fly out from the paint streak

[marble scarab]

does sheo have an attack similar to great slash?

[ornate rivet]

how would the player dodge them if they're in the air though

[marble scarab]

because sheo needs an attack similar to great slash

[weak lodge]

he has one

he literally charges great slash

for 10 years

and lets it go

[ornate rivet]

20 years*

[weak lodge]

prob killed him before he did it

[marble scarab]

honestly if you're going to make harder bosses, dont just speed them up and call it a day

[weak lodge]

that's lazy and unfun

some bosses deserve more

some

[marble scarab]

what im saying is

[weak lodge]

others that could work

[marble scarab]

dont just speed them up

and only that

[weak lodge]

what do you think we've been plotting

[floral furnace]

something something literally thats what happened with dream bosses

[weak lodge]

like aboss

[marble scarab]

a mod that makes bosses and shit harder

an ng+ mod

[weak lodge]

gittle true lad

speeding up bosses and only that is bad

atleast add new elements to one of their attacks

like we were saying earlier

for oro and mato add waves

[marble scarab]

cough certain boss that starts with an A

cough

[ornate rivet]

there hasn't been a single modded boss that only speeds up the boss fight

[marble scarab]

if you added waves to OaM then you would probably have to make them dodgable without shade dash

[weak lodge]

?

[marble scarab]

as OaM is an early midgame boss, if that makes any sense

[weak lodge]

no this is a godhome save file

plus everything for the exception of radiances and traitor lord don't need shade dash

so

why add that

seems cheap

[marble scarab]

true

[weak lodge]

ye

[ornate rivet]

how will bosses with variations work, like hornet 1 and 2

[weak lodge]

?

[ornate rivet]

would hornet 1 just be hornet 2 and hornet 2 be DoH?

or do we need to make a mod for hornet 1 too 😩

[weak lodge]

daughter of hallownest kinda over does it

[floral furnace]

real shit tho theres also the fact that sometimes the bosses can look way too similar to each other (ie some form of death wave that only shade dash can dive)

[weak lodge]

wow thanks for taking 60 years to make my message go through

wdym ttacco

[ornate rivet]

all my mods are going to be DoH level Knightmere

[floral furnace]

i mean, its hard to design a boss that hard but also unique other than "lets give him the ability to fire waves" is just what im saying

[ornate rivet]

so everything will be overdone

[floral furnace]

hence it also depends on the player's moveset too

[ornate rivet]

but we cant draw new sprites TTacco

[weak lodge]

godhome savefile

[floral furnace]

no no im not saying you guys are lazy its just that the player's moveset makes it hard to create new interesting attacks

[ornate rivet]

ah ok

too many bosses are going to have the grimm dash

[floral furnace]

hence me being excited for the dlc because new movesets can make potential new boss strats

[weak lodge]

please don't make all of them DoH level keep the bosses nkg level

[ornate rivet]

nkg, DoH, PP, (maybe WK) all have the grimm dash trail

[weak lodge]

grimm dash?

[ornate rivet]

the fire

[weak lodge]

oh

fire trail

what sense that makes

🤔

[ornate rivet]

wat

[weak lodge]

for DoH to have grimm dash

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[fair rampart]

THIS ISN'T CANON!

[ornate rivet]

I could make it white like Pale Prince but it blends in with the background

[mortal trout]

why do mods have to fit into the lore at all

[ornate rivet]

because the comment section on youtube said so

[floral furnace]

the lore is just a suggestion prove me wrong

[ornate rivet]

upgrading failed champion will be hard

[floral furnace]

spawn shockwaves whenever the debris hits the ground

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[floral furnace]

individually

[ornate rivet]

FC is definitely my favorite non-content pack boss

[floral furnace]

opposite for me tbh hes actually my most disliked, i far liked soul tyrant

[fair rampart]

I enjoy ST

[ornate rivet]

I find Soul tyrant to be boring

[fair rampart]

Seeing the first boss be so much stronger and actually challenging is cool to me. So I like FC

but I like how fast paced ST is

[ornate rivet]

isn't FC more fast paced?

[fair rampart]

yeah, but ST is less frustrating I guess

[ornate rivet]

hmm

[fair rampart]

Then LK is just... buff plz

[ornate rivet]

Stagger Lord

[fair rampart]

even easier stagger than BV

[ornate rivet]

how

[fair rampart]

less hits

[ornate rivet]

wdym

[fair rampart]

LK needs 1 less hit than BV does to stagger

[ornate rivet]

LK has more health though so eventually the stagger count will be more than bv

especially if you do it with old nail

[fair rampart]

stagger count =/= hits to stagger

also there is a stagger limit

[ornate rivet]

number of hits to stagger increases the more you stagger the boss, no?

[fair rampart]

no?

[ornate rivet]

ok

[floral furnace]

it stays the same yes

[fair rampart]

Broken Vessel: staggers every 10 combo hits or 13 hits(9 combo hits or 12 hits with Heavy Blow), and has a stagger limit of 9. The combo time is >1 second per hit. Stun lasts for 3 sec.
Lost Kin: staggers every 8 combo hits or 13 hits(7 combo hits or 12 hits with Heavy Blow), and has a stagger limit of 9. The combo time is >2 seconds per hit. Stun lasts for 3 sec.

unless my doc is wrong

LK also has a longer combotimer

which makes it even easier

why would they make it easier to stagger?

ST got a huge boost to its stagger requirement

but LK got easier to stagger

[weak lodge]

isnt LK 7

[scenic slate]

I installed enemey healthbar mod and theres no healthbars, this mod is gay

[scenic slate]

changing resolution did not help

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[formal flame]

i feel guilty
I used mods to get the last 7% of my otherwise clean 105% save file

[cunning lagoon]

you are going to jail

[quiet gazelle]

🚔

[weak lodge]

🚓 🚔 🚓 🤠

[copper nacelle]

https://streamable.com/3ks6n

[cunning lagoon]

can you not

[floral furnace]

madman actually did it

[copper nacelle]

it's a little bit completely impossible to dodge right now

but that'll get fixed soon

[civic hare]

at least it's not rng

[copper nacelle]

yes

[floral furnace]

bad attack now i cant dodge by abusing ddark now

[hollow pier]

hmmmm

[formal flame]

I don't want to go to jail!

[tranquil glen]

what makes you unable to interact after death

[civic hare]

organ failure

[marble scarab]

is the "harder pure vessel" just going to be another projectile spam

[trim totem]

no

[marble scarab]

dont act like all the "harder bosses" aren't just projectile spam and multiplying their speed

dont act like it

daughter of hallownest? projectile spam with way too much shade dash sprinkled in

lost lord? 3 attacks repeating constantly with 3x more projectiles

gods of battle? sisters of battle but sped up by like three times

how is it not SoB but sped up?

please, i'd love to hear your explanation

nothing?

got it

[dusky lion]

screw off im playing monster hunter find someone who cares about your rants

[marble scarab]

hey

people need to get their education

[dusky lion]

hmmmm

[thorn comet]

lol what?

[marble scarab]

implying that all "harder boss" mods are not just sped up versions of the original boss

apply explanation to chat

[royal ridge]

is that not then considered a harder boss?

[thorn comet]

How else do you intend on modders making bosses harder?

Literally reanimating and creating new attacks?

[royal ridge]

There are new attacks in there too, the dynamic of the fights change with the modded versions

[marble scarab]

by using already existent assets to add some new obstacle to the fight

also to be fair, DoH does actually have some effort put into it

this is overshadowed by it being projectile spam though

[royal ridge]

TIL using premade assets means difficulty isn't changed

[marble scarab]

what

when did i imply that

[royal ridge]

by using already existent assets to add some new obstacle to the fight

[marble scarab]

i said that modders should use already existing assets to add a new obstacle to the fight that would make it more difficult to dodge

[civic hare]

such as

a

p r o j e c t i l e

[royal ridge]

very large think

[marble scarab]

indeed, yes

[thorn comet]

What exactly is a new obstacle? Whats this definiton of yours gittle?

[marble scarab]

an added addition to the fight that would make it harder in some way or form

[royal ridge]

DoH adds a wall of needles does she not?

[trim totem]

pale prince is like that

just wait

[dusky lion]

This is an incredibly vague definition that the things you complain about can be fit into

[marble scarab]

yes and she also spams projectiles way too fast

and utilizes shade dash a tad bit too much

[trim totem]

it's definitely a lot better than lost lord or mantis gods though i like those

pale prince i mean

i haven't played doh

[marble scarab]

also, the pure vessel orbs in DoH are way too hard to see

[thorn comet]

Im sorry you have a problem with the modded boss, I feel sorry for you

[marble scarab]

wait what's pale prince again

[trim totem]

pure vessel mod

[marble scarab]

oh

[trim totem]

not out yet

[marble scarab]

fk

from what i'm seeing currently, it's just more projectile spam. 56 did say that the undodgable part of the fight was going to be fixed, though.

hopefully it doesn't turn out like fuckign lost lord

also why does he shoot out those 3 nails when he does the void tendril attack

seems unnecessary

[thorn comet]

probably to make it harder? another obstacle perhaps?

[marble scarab]

you see simo, you're already avoiding the void tendril attack

and it surprise, shoots out right when he does the void tendril attack

[trim totem]

the void tendril spikes aren't a big deal at all

they're not any harder to dodge than the tendrils themselves

i told 56 to add ceiling spikes to that attack but he didn't listen

[marble scarab]

basically what i'm trying to say is that this new addition to the fight is unnecessary because you'll not notice it during the fight

[trim totem]

it's not a huge change but it prevents you from dodging the tendrils by just being far away

[marble scarab]

dont the tendrils reach a large portion of the arena

like atleast 2/3 of it

[trim totem]

yeah but you can still outrange them pretty often

56 is still working on new moves but i think he'll come up with some cool stufff

[marble scarab]

hopefully not repeating the same attacks over and over again in a pattern that never changes at all

hopefully nobody ever does that with a boss ever right

haha

[trim totem]

ech

[urban olive]

Yikes

[marble scarab]

basically DoH in a nutshell

[rain cedar]

Big reason there's not too big of a modding scene, right there

Everyone using the mods is an entitled ingrate so nobody is gonna be doing mod development unless it's for themselves

[marble scarab]

i am not grateful for mods that puke projectiles at me and speed up the boss to nigh-unfair speeds

[rain cedar]

Ok thanks for the constructive criticism

[marble scarab]

and when did i imply that i was "deserving" of a good mod?

[rain cedar]

I'm sure we'll turn that around into good mods

[marble scarab]

ok

[trim totem]

doh is fine

most importantly it tried something new

[marble scarab]

for DoH, you should get rid of the projectile spam. it doesn't look good and doesn't seem to fun to dodge. the "queens give me help" thing could work, i guess, but why does she get help from the radiance and grimm? it doesn't really make sense. maybe tone down her speed a bit, too, and compensate for that with more attacks (possibly utilize the falling needles attack more, that was kinda cool).

is that good enough criticism or do you need me to address every single attack

every single thing she does?

[rain cedar]

Dude no need to be so butthurt that I called you out on being an ass

[marble scarab]

i provided criticism for the boss

isn't that what you wanted?

[rain cedar]

Yeah, good job

But you followed it up by being an ass again

We're all hobbyists doing this in our free time for fun

I don't see what you expect from making people angry at you

[marble scarab]

it's not that dickish, honestly. and if you want to have fun making mods, then atleast make the mods fun aswell, so that, you can y'know actually see people like your mod

and so that you can have pride in your creation

[rain cedar]

There will always be something to complain about

There's no such thing as a perfect mod

[marble scarab]

then try to reduce complaints

[rain cedar]

All I ask is you address the problems in a polite manner

[trim totem]

i get that you don't like the mod but it's bad form to just come in and shit on it in the place where the mod creator is looking

[rain cedar]

It's not like anyone is putting flaws in their mods on purpose

Or rather perceived flaws in this case, since it's balance and not bugs

[marble scarab]

thorium, a mod for terraria, has a lot of flaws, and i'd even say that the final boss isn't very good, but i still love the shit out of it.

[rain cedar]

Ok, so?

[marble scarab]

i am addressing the messages where you were implying that i needed mods to be absolutely perfect for them to be good

[rain cedar]

I think you're nitpicking semantics here

My point is don't be an ass

[marble scarab]

you are right when you say that i could have been a touch nicer when addressing my complaints for the mod, honestly

[trim totem]

the attitude displayed in that screenshot is absolutely not something that we want to bring into here

[marble scarab]

if the screenshot is so rude then why havent you deleted it?

[rain cedar]

I don't really delete things unless it's outright against the server rules

[trim totem]

it's not delete worthy it's just obnoxious

[marble scarab]

"absolutely not something that we want to bring into here" doesn't sound like something you would describe as "just obnoxious"

[rain cedar]

I think that's the nice way of telling you not to do it again

[weary oyster]

ill never stop being amused by people being angery at bosses that are too difficult for them

[woven forge]

CURSE YOU, GRUZ MOTHER

[marble scarab]

never even fought DoH

also criticism = being angry now?

[weary oyster]

imagine criticizing something you have literally no experience of

[marble scarab]

so

you're just gonna regard my criticism as invalid because i've never played it?

that's nice

[weary oyster]

pretty much yea

[marble scarab]

_
_

i have no words for this, so i will respond with silence

[trim totem]

it's not invalid it just has very little credibility

[marble scarab]

how about, get this, i play the mod

and see if i like it

[weary oyster]

i preferred the silence tbh

[marble scarab]

because you never want to listen to criticism?

[trim totem]

go ahead and try it out

[marble scarab]

is this the first time that someone used

does it only work on radiant

ok it apparently doesn't work

it doesn't work

also the "criticising something you have no experience of" thing is a bit like saying that you can't criticize a chef, because you've never been a chef

just a thought

[rain cedar]

I think it's more equivalent to "You can't criticize the chef because you haven't eaten their food"

Also doh didn't work in godseeker a bit ago, dunno if that was fixed

[marble scarab]

how can i criticize the chef when i don't have the ability to eat his food

[trim totem]

it's more like "you shouldn't criticize the food if you haven't eaten the food"

[rain cedar]

Try outside of godseeker mode

[marble scarab]

it wasn't in godseeker mode

[rain cedar]

Dunno, then

Almost like "It doesn't work" isn't enough information

[marble scarab]

when i launch the mod, instead of the fight being altered, it only shows the "daughter of hallownest" title

that enough information for you?

[rain cedar]

Send your log file

[marble scarab]

my log is just a bunch of randomizer shit it seems

[rain cedar]

Enemy randomizer? That thing spams like crazy

Send it anyway so I can see

[marble scarab]

nah

the one that randomizes items

[rain cedar]

Ok, is that up to date? 56 had problems with it breaking stuff in qol before I changed some stuff

This looks like old randomizer logs

Is this a current log?

It's either outdated or you've installed the wrong randomizer

[marble scarab]

no, it's all i got when i looked for modlog

[rain cedar]

In your save folder?

[marble scarab]

is it output_log or am i dumb

[rain cedar]

That could have useful stuff too but it's less likely

[marble scarab]

posting it just incase

[rain cedar]

Well there's two things I'd try: #1 get rid of randomizer because if that first log file is correct you've got the 1221 randomizer installed which could cause issues, and #2 verify game files and start over because the second log has errors about corrupted resources file

[viral junco]

does the enemy hp bar mod not work for anyone else?

[ornate rivet]

it does work

sigh

[copper nacelle]

that means please curse in the comments

[mortal trout]

modding has been very entertaining these last few days

[copper nacelle]

x

[hollow pier]

wow i woke up

[copper nacelle]

Same

[cunning lagoon]

I woke up

[hollow pier]

imagine being sick

[cunning lagoon]

weary

[copper nacelle]

hide muted channels

[cunning lagoon]

i did that afterwards

but having the channels muted wouldnt make for a good screenshot would it

hidden*

[copper nacelle]

it would

only 1 category

e.g

[cunning lagoon]

yeah but that doesn't show the amount of channels muted

[copper nacelle]

understandable

[cunning lagoon]

could just be one

or none

[floral furnace]

i cant believe kuro runs icono now

[hollow pier]

are you learning yet

[cunning lagoon]

nah

[hollow pier]

wow

[cunning lagoon]

gonna finish my challenge pt first

[hollow pier]

i finished learning yday

[cunning lagoon]

also i wanna do some boss rush

[copper nacelle]

do a low% challenge playthrough

[cunning lagoon]

what are the different difficulties

[hollow pier]

b ss rush

[cunning lagoon]

is it shit

[hollow pier]

probably not

i should actually do them since my fights suck ass

[cunning lagoon]

i guess many icono bosses are sort of autoscrollers

where you dont do much

[hollow pier]

the worst bosses are omega controller mendeleev mother and black 2

[cunning lagoon]

mendeleev

wow you cant see shit

suboptimal emote

[copper nacelle]

[hollow pier]

[cunning lagoon]

ive heard theres a shit ton of rng in black 2

[copper nacelle]

.

[hollow pier]

it's mainly phase 2

[cunning lagoon]

no i said black 2 not literally everywhere in the game

🙂

inb4 "bUt AlL gLitChEs DoEsN't HaVe RnG!!"

[copper nacelle]

same

[cunning lagoon]

send server with the drake emotes

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

oh

[copper nacelle]

clap

[hollow pier]

dae almost die to kerthunk

boss is impossible

[cunning lagoon]

x

[hollow pier]

good thing you skip him

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i do 😁

[copper nacelle]

grin is disturbed

cmm

[cunning lagoon]

same

[hollow pier]

😄

[copper nacelle]

better

but you forgot the prefix

Thanks! ❤ 😄

[cunning lagoon]

(((consider death)))

[hollow pier]

[copper nacelle]

[flat forum]

[mortal trout]

[hollow pier]

turns out boss rush is not good run practice

[dusky lion]

I hope you know triple parenthesis denotes that the thing inside is jewish

[cunning lagoon]

looks like lethal is just full rush but tweakless i think

but it has better music so its worth playing

[hollow pier]

hmm

[compact sedge]

modding suggestion

use git for modlinks.xml

[cunning lagoon]

modding idea

[hollow pier]

almost got kibuka one cycle

[cunning lagoon]

who dat

[copper nacelle]

@dusky lion

[dusky lion]

why does someone have to manually approve emojis

[cunning lagoon]

what if someone submits a lewd emote

not that there's anything wrong with them

but they'd probably reject it

[dusky lion]

wow really looking out for the true dangers

[cunning lagoon]

ok the bird is actually cancer

why is he allowed to jump on you when he has the stones circling around him

[copper nacelle]

cow poop & slot_machine

i should donate to vys's run saying to do revek skip

[floral furnace]

would they actually read it if you just said "remove fsm thanks" in your donation message

[cunning lagoon]

revek skip
monstah saw room optimization

[copper nacelle]

both

[cunning lagoon]

wow i actually cant beat him

i only have one iron heart

dude he empty hops

fuck this shit

[fair rampart]

who?

[cunning lagoon]

the final icono boss

ok i think i got it

[fair rampart]

Kurosh goes from "Fuck this" to "I got this" in the span of 2 minutes.

[cunning lagoon]

i think the problem is hugging the corners

he seems to jump towards the corners when he uses the circling stones

so if you just avoid being there you are good

[leaden hedge]

i've had emojis removed from ffz cause someone in the chat complained saying we were stealing his identity and he was gonna call the fbi on us / ffz

[copper nacelle]

Wtf

[cunning lagoon]

[leaden hedge]

it was a picture of him but

[cunning lagoon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[leaden hedge]

I don't think thats how identity theft works

they even stopped approving them FeelsBadMan

[cunning lagoon]

nvm he doesnt always jump to the corner

[leaden hedge]

someone got a link to default hk sprites for custom knight

[copper nacelle]

I think Sean said they were in the zip

[leaden hedge]

probably its 23mb

[hollow pier]

bird sucks on challenge

or i suck

[cunning lagoon]

ye i kinda figured it out but its sorta cancer

[hollow pier]

but i'm pretty sure it's the game's fault since i'm the perfect gamer

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i mean we obviously dont make mistake

bosses are just bullshit and rng

[hollow pier]

same

dae have a trash save to practice on but they didn't actually follow the route so they can't do the only part that they don't know because they don't have a key

[cunning lagoon]

is there not a save eitor

[hollow pier]

no i can actually just do the slow ass puzzle to get another key but i don't want to

[cunning lagoon]

[cunning lagoon]

do you just skip the entirety of the swimming section in the labs by fish jumping

or do you still need the keys

[hollow pier]

you do the thing for a technium and a key

i don't even know if it's a technium

some material for fleetfoot

[jaunty iris]

umm hello i cant seem to get enemyHPbar mod to work anyone could possibly help ???

[copper nacelle]

e

[jaunty iris]

umm what i am supposed to do with this ???? legit question since i got the game recently

[copper nacelle]

installer

press the manual button

select it

profit

[jaunty iris]

ohh ok ty

shuld i uninstall the mod in mod manager first ???

[ornate rivet]

it should replace it automatically but it wouldn't hurt I guess

[copper nacelle]

^

i would do it just in case

[jaunty iris]

once again ty

[mortal trout]

guys you didnt use any think emotes good job

[ornate rivet]

they didn't say anything questionable so there was no reason to

[jaunty iris]

worked like a charm ty for your help

mind if i bother you one more time ????

[copper nacelle]

_ _

[jaunty iris]

charmed mod

[hollow pier]

like a charm

hahahhhaaa

!!

[copper nacelle]

charming is broken

[jaunty iris]

it dosent seem to wnat to load

ahhh

[copper nacelle]

the creator got a puppy and had a kid and now he's gone

[ornate rivet]

sigh

why do we keep broken mods on the installer

[cunning lagoon]

thats not a pepehands you should be happy for him

[buoyant obsidian]

to make us look cooler

[jaunty iris]

i gues thats life for you

[ornate rivet]

understandable

[jaunty iris]

anyway once agin ty for your swift help have nice day

[cunning lagoon]

icono would be much better if mina didnt exist cmm

[hollow pier]

same

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[odd grove]

can you help when i try to select installation pass i get erorr invalid pass selected where must be installation?

[copper nacelle]

did you pirate the game

[odd grove]

yea

[copper nacelle]

.

.

.

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

draco at least had the decency to buy the game

i think

[odd grove]

i planed buy it just my friend took my usb and after dowloaded hollow knight and asked to play it

ok i will buy it then will try

[ornate rivet]

saying you pirated the game when Wilbo is on

[fair rampart]

oh shit the Will-man is online!

[wary drift]

can someone help me make a "Gruz Goddess" mod

just tell me how to edit attacks

and stats of enemies

I mean

[ornate rivet]

I'll help

[wary drift]

i'm new to unity

so experience retardity

[ornate rivet]

Get fsm reader
https://github.com/nesrak1/HollowKnightFSMView/releases

it lets you see the fsms of all the stuff

[wary drift]

i get the source code as well?

[ornate rivet]

File -> Open Scene List -> Search for gruzz mother

it's visual

[wary drift]

kk

[ornate rivet]

you'll need to learn to edit them with this as example
https://github.com/5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord

[buoyant obsidian]

also good luck if this is your first time doing anything modding related

[ornate rivet]

the git hub link above shows you how to edit lost lord

[wary drift]

thanks

I'll need as much luck as possible

[ornate rivet]

yes

[wary drift]

and i open hollow knight?

[ornate rivet]

no

?

[wary drift]

oh wait

i'm retarded

sorry

okay

[ornate rivet]

you'll need to have modding api installed btw

you can do that by running

[wary drift]

i have it installed

[ornate rivet]

coolio

The naming follows this:
Name of the Gameobject-Name of the FSM that controls that game object

you'll want to edit "Giant Fly-Big Fly Control" mainly

[wary drift]

ummm...

there's gruz mother and gruz mother V

[ornate rivet]

go with just gruz mother (at least for now)

[wary drift]

oke

[ornate rivet]

those two only edit the godmaster version of gruz mother btw

[wary drift]

kk

i understand

[ornate rivet]

coolio

[wary drift]

so gruz mother V = radiant gruz mother?

[ornate rivet]

uhh I would assume the version with spikes
so ascended and radiant

but idk

[weak lodge]

alright

[fair rampart]

Gruz V is PoH and Ascended Gruz

[weak lodge]

that rad 2nd phase+

was amazing

e

[ornate rivet]

yes

I was expecting him to die

[fair rampart]

me too

[copper nacelle]

1hp rad

[cunning lagoon]

no trust smh

[weak lodge]

why couldn't they get kuro to do PoP

[fair rampart]

make Kuro do PoH all binds

[weak lodge]

make kuro run 112 all bosses right now

[rain cedar]

make kuro run icono

[cunning lagoon]

p5 all binds is the least marathon safe run there is

[weak lodge]

[hollow pier]

kuro run icono

[ornate rivet]

p5 all bind next year at agdq

[cunning lagoon]

let me finish my challenge playthrough first

[ornate rivet]

make it happen

[hollow pier]

finish it faster

[weak lodge]

next year is HK NG+

[cunning lagoon]

what the fuck pete i was watching VysuaLsTV run HK TE at AGDQ2019!!

[hollow pier]

i heard he healed in pop

[cunning lagoon]

i heard he healed before markoth

[hollow pier]

and it's just that easy

[cunning lagoon]

😎

@weary oyster https://www.twitch.tv/videos/359838902?t=02h05m04s

enemy iframes

[hollow pier]

vod timestamp
clip

[cunning lagoon]

i aint clipping shit

[weary oyster]

i think the nail just missed cause the kingsmould did a small forward movement on the very next move

the iframes were 100% over there

[cunning lagoon]

what

the kingsmould was standing completely still

[weary oyster]

the 2nd is def out of range

i think his hitbox just moved a frame before the model

[cunning lagoon]

is the first screenshot from the nail hit that missed

or did that one hit

[weary oyster]

it missed

these are 2 frames

one after the other

[leaden hedge]

https://gfycat.com/CompetentCriminalAmericanblackvulture
what do you wanna bet this doesn't work in game

[cunning lagoon]

how do you move frame by frame on twitch

[rain cedar]

You don't

[weary oyster]

make a clip and use the timeline

[cunning lagoon]

dude the twitgch player is shit

[weary oyster]

with mouse

[cunning lagoon]

anyway yeah you might be right

either way its bs

[weary oyster]

it is yes

[rain cedar]

You have to rip the vod off of twitch

And use software that doesn't suck

[weary oyster]

but slightly different bullshit than nail into fireball misses

[hollow pier]

AX2U proves DLKUROSH WRONG with FACTS and KNOWLEDGE

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

[dusky lion]

[cunning lagoon]

where do i go after isilugar labs

i siipped all cutscenes and forgot

[rain cedar]

You quantum leap into the fast travel

[cunning lagoon]

i don't know how to do that seanpr

what's the casual playthrough equivalent of that

[rain cedar]

CASUAL

[hollow pier]

hold gun and jump dodger hold left into the area transition

[cunning lagoon]

i dont even have dodger

[hollow pier]

idiot

[cunning lagoon]

nvm its ng+ i do have it

[hollow pier]

if you pause the game it tells you a cool tip 🙂

and the question mark on the map is where you have to go 🙂

[cunning lagoon]

ah yes

i love these tips and question marks

[rain cedar]

Consider left

Wait

[cunning lagoon]

i cant get up

[rain cedar]

Yeah

You don't have the thing

[cunning lagoon]

oh do i have to talk with minas mom

[rain cedar]

Yes

[hollow pier]

hmmm

[cunning lagoon]

i remember now

[mortal trout]

reminder

[ornate rivet]

dont start dungo drama with gittle pls

I'm so tired of him

[cunning lagoon]

this

just ignore him

[native wing]

what gittle does do

?

[mortal trout]

nonstop complaining about absrad

[copper nacelle]

someone linked my no enemy iframes absrad video

why am i alive

[hollow pier]

I love how it’s like I’m dying out here and it’s really hard surviving and I go up and get met by a calm “bampanda”, I have beaten the game 100%+ twice and I still appreciate that

[cunning lagoon]

I love how it’s like I’m dying out here and it’s really hard surviving and I go up and get met by a calm “bampanda”, I have beaten the game 100%+ twice and I still appreciate that

[copper nacelle]

I love how it’s like I’m dying out here and it’s really hard surviving and I go up and get met by a calm “bampanda”, I have beaten the game 100%+ twice and I still appreciate that

[mortal trout]

I love how it’s like I’m dying out here and it’s really hard surviving and I go up and get met by a calm “bampanda”, I have beaten the game 100%+ twice and I still appreciate that

[ornate rivet]

[native wing]

think yourself

[iron crown]

I love how it’s like I’m dying out here and it’s really hard surviving and I go up and get met by a calm “bampanda”, I have beaten the game 100%+ twice and I still appreciate that

[cunning lagoon]

can you kill the ghosts that dont like when you shoot before usurper

[hollow pier]

no

just stun with charge shot or wrench

[cunning lagoon]

sad

[rain cedar]

Or literally just ignore them

They're slow

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i was just curious

[hazy sentinel]

lmao it's #archived-modding-help

[cunning lagoon]

same

[mortal trout]

i cant believe it took me this long to block gittle

[fair rampart]

Me neither

I blocked him during the hunger games

because he started spouting his usually AbsRad hate

[cunning lagoon]

i blocked him this morning when he started bitching about every modded boss

also why are my tweaks not recharging when i break statues

[rain cedar]

It's challenge

[copper nacelle]

.

[rain cedar]

You gotta use a save statue

[cunning lagoon]

oh

alright cool

[native wing]

.

[hollow pier]

honestly i think save statue refill is better than normal tweak refill

[cunning lagoon]

same

[jagged snow]

Im learning how to modd in terrara rn. Im litterally shaking

[rain cedar]

what

[cunning lagoon]

they are learning how to modd in terrara rn. they are litterally shaking

[rain cedar]

You're shaking too?

[copper nacelle]

@fair rampart bug is fixed

[cunning lagoon]

dunno what you mean

[flat forum]

Why are you shaking?

[jagged snow]

because its scary i have no idea what im doing

[fair rampart]

same

[flat forum]

I assure you

nobody has

an ides what they're doing

when modding

even our prodigy, 55

[rain cedar]

I mean I know what I'm doing most of the time

[fair rampart]

I'm p sure we all have IDEs

[flat forum]

no

Seanpr that's illegal

ai will haev to ban u

[native wing]

ai

[copper nacelle]

ai

[civic hare]

if 56 is so good why didn’t they make 57

[copper nacelle]

that's sean

you fool

or was it gradow

someone was 57

[cunning lagoon]

hm nah

[trim totem]

56 did you fix the pale prince attack

so that it's not impossible

[copper nacelle]

yes

[rain cedar]

I was 57 for a bit yeah

[trim totem]

56 show

[flat forum]

the 56 show

[copper nacelle]

how about i just send you the dll and you can experience the pain

easy

[cunning lagoon]

what pain lol pp is easier than pv

[ornate rivet]

but I want to see too

[copper nacelle]

i'll make a clip later

[ornate rivet]

[fair rampart]

clip that pp

[copper nacelle]

unless i can run OBS cs:go and hk at the same time

[flat forum]

55

where's my pp

I want my pp now

[bronze temple]

[fair rampart]

eyyyy, it's the monomod guy

[copper nacelle]

api is updated btw

[leaden hedge]

this isnt celeste

[bronze temple]

yes it isn't

[leaden hedge]

i muted every channel in celeste anyway

except tas_discussion

[bronze temple]

I left the server

[cunning lagoon]

whats the fastest way to kill one concern soliders

soldiers

[flat forum]

soliders

[civic hare]

soliders

[fair rampart]

you kill soliders with liquiders, duh

[leaden hedge]

youre still in the shit celeste server

[hollow pier]

rocket

probably

[flat forum]

slideros

[hollow pier]

usurper sucks against them

but in general run past them

[cunning lagoon]

ok

[bronze temple]

oh right, lemme leave that as well

[hollow pier]

wait you mean the guys with the blue visor right

[cunning lagoon]

uhh

the early game ones that can either shoot bouncy grenades or rapidfire

[hollow pier]

yeah

[cunning lagoon]

ok ty

[fair rampart]

I love how 56 says, "thx[for fixing monomod]", and not even 10 minutes later follows it up with, "nvm"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295570965663055874/531554660977475615/unknown.png

[bronze temple]

And I even asked again to make sure that everything works

[copper nacelle]

i loaded in game so i thought it was fine

then i went to clip something

[hazy sentinel]

thx for fixing monomod

[bronze temple]

hey, if this is the thing that gets me into HK modding, so be it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow pier]

just be sure to make something that isn't projectile spam

[fair rampart]

inb4 Oblobbles that shoot projectiles that turn into Obbles whenever they impact with a surface

[hazy sentinel]

oblobbles with hush bullet patterns

[cunning lagoon]

oblobbles with bullets that scale with your speed 😮

[fair rampart]

superhot

[cunning lagoon]

not really superhot

they just made the beams faster/slower depending on your speed

[weary oyster]

so they... scale with your speed?

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

on your speed stat

[native wing]

oh

[cunning lagoon]

not on how fast you are moving

they dont stand still if you are not moving

[dusky lion]

so they superhot

[weary oyster]

they almost do

[cunning lagoon]

wdym

[weary oyster]

superhot

game

i feel like im misunderstanding something here

[cunning lagoon]

ok but the beams are nothing like superhot

[dusky lion]

time only moves when you move

[cunning lagoon]

thjats what im trying to say

[weary oyster]

what beams

[dusky lion]

except even when standing still bullets move slightly

[weary oyster]

where

[cunning lagoon]

there's a speed stat in isaac

which gets increased/decreased by certain items

[dusky lion]

but there is only one speed setting in hk

[crisp shoal]

guys wer can i get the redwing mod

[cunning lagoon]

hush's beams scale with your speed

[weary oyster]

isaac

what

[dusky lion]

excluding sprintmaster

[cunning lagoon]

so if you are too slow its not unavoidable

[weary oyster]

oblobbles

isaac

?

[cunning lagoon]

scroll up

oblobbles with hush bullet patterns

[dusky lion]

kurosh theres only one speed stat unless maybe you are using sprintmaster

so its just 2 speeds

[cunning lagoon]

3 speeds if you count dashmaster + sprintmaster

[dusky lion]

up the fuck shut

[weary oyster]

ok i see now

i didnt know what hush is so i didnt realise your message was related to that

[cunning lagoon]

yea its just a bad joke related to that

can you get 2 hits in the second phase of the train boss

per sword throw

[copper nacelle]

https://streamable.com/ejpgu @ornate rivet @trim totem

[weak lodge]

super hot good game change my mind

[cunning lagoon]

wow how could you say such a controversial thing

[trim totem]

very good

[mortal trout]

looks cool

[weak lodge]

Now this

Now make it rotate while dodging

[cunning lagoon]

looks like shit stop adding projectile spam attacks

[trim totem]

make them void please

[weak lodge]

^

[trim totem]

wait no

[copper nacelle]

no

those are like

hard to see

[mortal trout]

dont make them void, void bad

[trim totem]

make it a phase two attack

[hollow pier]

what train boss

[cunning lagoon]

the one that spins

[hollow pier]

carver?

with elro?

[cunning lagoon]

sure

[hollow pier]

only one hit

[cunning lagoon]

pepehands

[hollow pier]

all you do is knock him back

[crisp shoal]

this will ten year to find that redwing mods

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[hollow pier]

hot speedtech shoot where the fire things will come out and they won't

[cunning lagoon]

:o

the tower is cancer and shit

[hollow pier]

same

[cunning lagoon]

you know i just realized they force you to kill enemies with the wrench in this area

but i completely forgot that it did damage

[rain cedar]

That's not forced just stomp the secret shortcut

[hollow pier]

this

[cunning lagoon]

the what

[hollow pier]

[rain cedar]

Top right of the room you're talking about

Stomp

[cunning lagoon]

i dont evevn know which room you mean

[rain cedar]

The only one you're forced to kill with wrench in

You brought it up

How do you not know things about the discussion you started?

[cunning lagoon]

i was actually thinking about the samurai dide

[hollow pier]

hmmmmm

[rain cedar]

That's not forced either lo

l

[cunning lagoon]

ok mr speedrunner i actually go through the content of the games i play

[rain cedar]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[hollow pier]

is it my fault watchman 2 does the purple wave thing or is it rng

[rain cedar]

Rng

[hollow pier]

[rain cedar]

Do the fast kill

[hollow pier]

i should

[rain cedar]

No purple wave

[cunning lagoon]

now im curious where do you stomp

[rain cedar]

There's a slightly worse fast kill

Easier I think

Top right

[cunning lagoon]

oh wow thats so cool

[hollow pier]

are you at school yet

any good wifi

[cunning lagoon]

there should be a button on each floor to call the elevator cmm

[hollow pier]

hmmmmmmmm

[rain cedar]

no

to both

[cunning lagoon]

well u r wrong sorry

[rain cedar]

Elevator call button ruins half the puzzles in tower

Most elevators automatically get called to you

It's purposeful design

[cunning lagoon]

yeah im mostly joking but i do find it fairly annoying

also what i was trying to say is that the game taught me that the wrench did damage and yet i still managed to forget

[hollow pier]

so you said you were stupid then looked more stupid

[rain cedar]

Wrench is really good damage

If you could move during melee like in hk wrench would be god

[hollow pier]

wrench is a scam it just makes you die to bird

[cunning lagoon]

😔

[cunning lagoon]

jfc the autoscroller boss is so boring

please tell me there's a skip

[hollow pier]

guess what

there is not

[cunning lagoon]

good thing eroico has no autoscrollers 🙂