archived-modding-development

[dusky lion]

why is my pepehands crying

[copper nacelle]

because it's PepeHands

it's what it does

[dusky lion]

[copper nacelle]

is just GWbratWhy

it just be like that

[dusky lion]

some people think that it dont be like the way that it truly do but it really be that the way that it like the way that it is

[ornate rivet]

kill me

[cunning lagoon]

[dusky lion]

[floral furnace]

nice

Saleh u can do this

just spam ddark at your grades

[odd grove]

Hey can i watch mods for hollow knight from phone? Or i must download mods downloader

[ornate rivet]

you get mods by using the modinstaller

you watch mods on youtube

not sure if I understood what you said btw

[odd grove]

I wanted to find it on youtube but there only firewing and light bringer and enemy randomizer

[ornate rivet]

what do you want to watch on youtube?

obviously not all the mods are popular enough to get youtube videos

[copper nacelle]

whoever tf reacted is literally wrong

[ornate rivet]

if you dont find videos on the mods, then the videos are either private or dont exist

what mod are you trying to find videos for?

[cunning lagoon]

Where mods

Where mods

[leaden hedge]

when mods

[cunning lagoon]

Why does Discord send messfes twice

[ornate rivet]

Why does Discord send messfes twice

[dusky lion]

because stable software

[leaden hedge]

2 messages for the price of 1

its twice as efficient

[weak lodge]

@copper nacelle pale prince looks good

But

Can you add a punish to the back of him during the void tendrils

[cunning lagoon]

i cannot believe 2019 is almost over

[rain cedar]

I cannot believe I don't have jsb record

[solemn basin]

That Pure Vessel mod looks nice.

[cunning lagoon]

pale prince is easier than pure vessel

[mortal trout]

pale prince is easier than thk

[cunning lagoon]

pale prince is easier than pre lb thk

[mortal trout]

pale prince is easier than lost lord

[weak lodge]

pale prince is easier than DoH

[ornate rivet]

pale prince is easier than absolute radiance

[mortal trout]

pale prince is easier than eroico

[weak lodge]

Oh god oh fuck

[cunning lagoon]

well yes

[mortal trout]

tbh eroico isnt easy

[ornate rivet]

Pale Prince is easier than Kamihime Project

[weak lodge]

Also I like the effect he did to the knives on the void tendrils

Is that easy to do?

[cunning lagoon]

nfb eroico is pretty damn hard unless you know what you are doing

[mortal trout]

yeah

[fair rampart]

so hard

[weak lodge]

[cunning lagoon]

man iconoclasts is actually such a good game

you all should play it

[mortal trout]

i got bored at the final boss

[weak lodge]

This

[cunning lagoon]

what

[weak lodge]

What

[cunning lagoon]

as in he was too easy and boring or he was too hard and he made you drop the game?

[weak lodge]

Prob easy

[mortal trout]

i was getting bored of the game by the time i reached the boss and i didnt feel like finishing it

[cunning lagoon]

[weak lodge]

Can we get seanpr to crucify him

[cunning lagoon]

delete these messages before sean sees them

[mortal trout]

or i can just beat the game now 🙂

[weak lodge]

Dew it

[mortal trout]

fine

[cunning lagoon]

beat the final boss then replay it in challenge mode

[mortal trout]

how different is challenge mode

is the game way harder

[cunning lagoon]

i was told everything oneshots you

[mortal trout]

sounds good

[cunning lagoon]

i havent started my challenge playthrough yet cause i havent had time

[weak lodge]

Steel soul glass soul 112% all bosses nmg

Wow kuro actually having a life?

[cunning lagoon]

yes ive actually been somewhat busy

[weak lodge]

oh

[fair rampart]

that's a lotta' damage

😩

[mortal trout]

guess im actually gonna beat it now

[weak lodge]

Would be funny if progress didn’t save

Anyway I’ll go back to sleep for 3 hours

[cunning lagoon]

well then he'd get to play the game again

win/win

gn

[weak lodge]

This

Kurosh

It’s 2pm

[cunning lagoon]

ok smartass go to sleep already

[weak lodge]

😿

[fair rampart]

why do the catface emojis exist

[weak lodge]

Furries

[ornate rivet]

the camera in the pv room doesn't move if pv is destroyed?

[cunning lagoon]

skrrt

[ornate rivet]

oh it's because of the cut scene at the beginning

[rain cedar]

It's too late I saw

[cunning lagoon]

[rain cedar]

It's understandable at least

The black fight is more climactic than that fucking bird

[cunning lagoon]

i kinda liked the big worm monster but im not a huge fan of the bird either

[rain cedar]

Fun trivia: the bird soundtrack is called "castle doctrine" which is the law that you can kill intruders in your home

[weak lodge]

:)

[cunning lagoon]

nice

do you have more fun icono trivia

[rain cedar]

So much of it

What do you want to know about?

[cunning lagoon]

whats the lore behind the cowboy

he felt so out of place

just randomly showing up to block your path then disappearing

[rain cedar]

He's just some religious nut agent

And he doesn't disappear he's a big plot point later

Did you skip cutscenes?

[cunning lagoon]

no

i watched every cutscene and interacted with every npc i came across

[rain cedar]

Ok

I guess you somehow missed that he tried to take over the world then kill himself

[cunning lagoon]

i might have missed that yes

[rain cedar]

He wanted to remove all idols from the world

You killed mother, he killed father

[cunning lagoon]

whats an idol again?

[rain cedar]

He wanted to kill robin then himself but elro killed him

Idol meaning like a really big popular figure

[cunning lagoon]

oh ok

[marble scarab]

i’ll probably never play iconoclasts tbh

[cunning lagoon]

you'd just drop it after dying twice to a boss and calling it unfair

[marble scarab]

lmao the game looks easy

[rain cedar]

Idk how you could ever die twice

Yeah it's really easy

[marble scarab]

also i’ve kinda been spoiled on like the entire plot

[cunning lagoon]

i died multiple times to fire lady

i actually hate that boss

mina controls like shit

[rain cedar]

Mendeleev is trash

I have gold Mendeleev and mother in no airswim which sucks to run against

Both just rng

[cunning lagoon]

does mother consist of just praying he does the fire attack?

or does he do that every x attacks

[rain cedar]

Mother

He

[cunning lagoon]

ok by he i dont mean mother

but the cat

[rain cedar]

There's a fixed amount of attacks it does

You just hope it's the fast ones

[cunning lagoon]

ok so kinda like uumuu

[rain cedar]

There's a tail slam you can make it do which is pretty fast but it doesn't count

[cunning lagoon]

i asked pete what the best cat to start with was

[rain cedar]

So it's just 100% time loss

[cunning lagoon]

he said any% no airswim

can you confirm

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[cunning lagoon]

cool

[rain cedar]

The airswim categories are harder and require downpatch

Also no guides

[cunning lagoon]

also why is the world dying

[rain cedar]

The people used all the ivory

Which is super integral to everything

[cunning lagoon]

and whats the autoscroller boss

he changes the land or something right

[rain cedar]

Yeah that's one of the main controllers that shapes the world

[cunning lagoon]

and whats the blue goop

also whats rng and what isnt

are enemies always the same?

[mortal trout]

ok i beat the game

[cunning lagoon]

🎉

[rain cedar]

The blue eyes aren't explained too well but they seem to be able to control anything related to ivory

So they're probably also put there by the birds for some purpose

Enemies are 100% consistent, this isn't hk

[cunning lagoon]

[rain cedar]

Bosses are the main rng

[cunning lagoon]

understandable

what about the devs

i saw that they run the discord

[rain cedar]

Konjak is cool but very rarely talks in the speedrun chats

Kein is there and he's a piece of shit but outside of news you never have to see him

Also not a dev

[cunning lagoon]

is it the same kein as the one everyone hates here?

[rain cedar]

Yeah

The other dev who just does the porting stuff I never see at all

Only talked to him once when reporting a bug with the Mac version

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[frigid raft]

hey

where can I find the enemy randomizer mod?

thx

but this is the enemy randomizer or another mod?

[rain cedar]

It's an installer for whichever you want

[frigid raft]

ok thx

what does ''Daughter of Hallownest'' do?

[cunning lagoon]

makes hornet 2 harder

[frigid raft]

ah ok

[marble scarab]

kein is the guy who just left suddenly and wanted his mods to be removed right

[frigid raft]

idk

mods are buggy af

[cunning lagoon]

?

[fair rampart]

No, Kein was a backer that got his name misspelled as "Kcin" in the Shrine of Believers. The person you are thinking of is Kerr

[young walrus]

Nah. It was kein

Kerr didn't dmca his mods

[fair rampart]

there was a modder named Kein too?

[young walrus]

Keinzantezuken

Or something

Made a boss rush and debug mod

Then yanked em

And left

[fair rampart]

I thought debug was Sean?

[young walrus]

Yes, after kein left

Made another one

[dark wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hLyvyG6M4Q

[ornate rivet]

that's epic

[fair rampart]

So this requires Unity studio or whatever, right?

the level editor?

[dark wigeon]

the unity editor

unity/asset studio is for extracting assets

[ornate rivet]

can you add your own stuff?

[dark wigeon]

sure

they get packed into the bundle and loaded as well

[fair rampart]

inb4 Forest of Bones

[dark wigeon]

just no custom scenes yet although in theory it wouldn't be that hard

[ornate rivet]

is there an estimate for the release date?

[dark wigeon]

whenever it is done

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[dark wigeon]

I'm also helping fix bugs in nitrox so there's that too

want to help?

[ornate rivet]

what's nitrox

[dark wigeon]

subnautica multiplayer mod

[ornate rivet]

ah

I dont have the game

[dark wigeon]

it went free for a couple weeks a while ago

[rotund osprey]

is there anywhere i can go to view a preview or at least a description of what each of these 20 mods do in the modinstaller?

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[cunning lagoon]

third link

[rotund osprey]

tyvm

[young walrus]

Or press install, then the readme button

[ornate rivet]

can enemies be moved too nes?

[dark wigeon]

yeah still working on that part

the scene exporter itself used to work for tk2d sprites, but I made some changes which prevent it from loading anymore

[ornate rivet]

okie dokie

[dark wigeon]

its really buggy right now but if anyone wants to help I can push it to github

[ornate rivet]

I would but I'm probably too dumb to help

[dark wigeon]

yeah it might be a bit complicated

if you don't know how bundles work it'll probably be alien language

[ornate rivet]

I dont even know what bundles are

I want to see the code though so if possible, please push to github

[dark wigeon]

should i post both mod and editor in same repo or separate

[ornate rivet]

hmm, separate?

[dark wigeon]

ok

[rotund osprey]

if i want to install a mod that is just a .dll file like fasttext.dll, is simply dropping that file in the hollow_knight_data/Mods folder enough?

tried to install with the mod installer by choosing the manual install button on there and im getting an error that another process is using something and really dont feel like dealing with that -.-

[young walrus]

Did you close the game

But yes, thats all the installer is doing. Copying dll files to the mods folder

[rotund osprey]

yep game is closed

[hazy root]

haven't kept up in a while, any breakthroughs in the modding of this game?

[dark wigeon]

https://github.com/nesrak1/HKWorldEdit @ornate rivet

[ornate rivet]

thanks!

[rotund osprey]

have no idea what could be using that dll, i just now downloaded the file but ill just drop it in that folder then, thanks Mickely

[dark wigeon]

getting the other one up now

[hoary anvil]

a question for modders that i find funny: how many ints are written in the mod's code?

[rotund osprey]

lol

[hoary anvil]

i think it's at least 5 per mod

[ornate rivet]

why is that funny?

[rotund osprey]

well its funny to me thinking of all the ints that may have to be written for a mod

[rain cedar]

what

[copper nacelle]

hmmmmmm

[rain cedar]

What do you think an int is?

[young walrus]

Like an ant, but different

[rotund osprey]

unless hes talking about a different int 😂

[hazy sentinel]

what is going on

[cunning lagoon]

not much

[ornate rivet]

Integers are known for their hilarity

[young walrus]

5

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[rotund osprey]

integers is the int im thinking of

[rain cedar]

And that's funny?

[cunning lagoon]

[hoary anvil]

@ornate rivet idk it's just funny to me

[hazy sentinel]

this nibbug 🅱oolin jajaja xd

[ornate rivet]

ok

[rain cedar]

Somebody here is having a stroke because none of this makes sense

I hope it's not me

[ornate rivet]

hk editor progress: #archived-modding-development is quiet
ints are funny:

[dark wigeon]

https://github.com/nesrak1/HKWorldLoad

[hazy sentinel]

int

[hoary anvil]

@rain cedar me

[rotund osprey]

well if its a larger mod and you're having to write "int" this int that all over the place i'd imagine it would get pretty tedious and drive you crazy, that's the part thats funny to me

[young walrus]

I find it funny how many if loops there are

[dark wigeon]

🅱

[ornate rivet]

thankee nes

[cunning lagoon]

[young walrus]

Like shit, coding

[copper nacelle]

if loops

[young walrus]

Hilarious

[rotund osprey]

or imagine making a game and the amount of ints

[dark wigeon]

so youd rather use i64 everywhere

or Integer like the java pros 😎

[rain cedar]

Is i64 actually valid C# syntax?

[dark wigeon]

not c#

isnt it like rust or something

i32 my bad still valid tho

[ornate rivet]

I always use BigIntegers

[rain cedar]

You can apparently type Int32 as a type in C# and it works

[dark wigeon]

uses Decimal instead of floats

[rain cedar]

I guess that's the actual type

[dark wigeon]

yeah because int is syntatic sugar for Int32

[rain cedar]

And int is shorthand

[ornate rivet]

I updated Unity after 2 years

[rain cedar]

I like "sugar for your mouth" better as an explanation

[copper nacelle]

lmao

ints

hilarious

[dark wigeon]

probably says

Name can be simplified

When you see "Name can be simplified" and it corrects to something longer

[copper nacelle]

no it says writing uint64 is ugly

[rain cedar]

GameObject -> UnityEngine.Object

[dark wigeon]

srsly

[rain cedar]

Thanks visual studio

[dark wigeon]

anyway level editor exists now so thats cool

kind of

[rain cedar]

👌

[cunning lagoon]

[dark wigeon]

less than 3 million but more than 3

[rain cedar]

fadeInTime

Ah yes

InT

The most hilarious

[dark wigeon]

I too use InT32

[rain cedar]

Spooky muffins my dude you've been typing for like 5 minutes

[hazy sentinel]

must be typing int 5 times in his mod

[hollow pier]

maybe that's the spooky part

[rain cedar]

Cannot derive from sealed type "Int32"

[dark wigeon]

lol just dnspy edit and make it unsealed

[rain cedar]

Woke

The suspense is killing me

[cunning lagoon]

[rain cedar]

What will spooky muffins say?

[cunning lagoon]

it goes away if you haven't typed anything in 5 seconds so he's actually typing

[hazy sentinel]

galaxy brain

[hoary anvil]

this is the first probably last conversation i will ever have in modding because i know next to nothing about programming (the best program i made was was an unfinished game made in processing that had two cubes (i was to lazy in order to make an animation) where you control one of them by moving it left or right and make a shitty looking sword appear out of nowhere to hit the other cube that just follows you arround in order to make it disappear. that's it)

[cunning lagoon]

[rain cedar]

But was int the most common word in it?

[hazy sentinel]

nested parentheses ur a modder already

[hoary anvil]

no, i think it was if

[young walrus]

Hilarious

[ornate rivet]

what does openfsm do

[hoary anvil]

mostly what if i actually finish it

[cunning lagoon]

not as funny as int but pretty funny nonetheless

[dark wigeon]

closes the film source maker

[rain cedar]

Most common words in RandomizerMod.cs

My personal favorite word is e

[dark wigeon]

e.e

[hollow pier]

i like Word

[cunning lagoon]

int not even in the list

[hollow pier]

it appears Frequency times

[dark wigeon]

rip what did i do

[cunning lagoon]

karse huh

[dark wigeon]

well where does the stacktrace go

[hazy sentinel]

this is coding XD

[dark wigeon]

o just delete line 106 of HKScene.cs

[ornate rivet]

ok

[hoary anvil]

sprite, catch, static, in, void, and try are trying to summon satan

but wheres int tho?

[rain cedar]

It's almost like int isn't actually common at all or something

[cunning lagoon]

is this man just farming megathink reacts

[rain cedar]

I mean you kinda have to with modding

For this at least

Otherwise Unity eats the errors and you don't know why everything is dead

[hollow pier]

when you wrap all food in tortilla

🌯

[dark wigeon]

I loved trying to get unity to load a bundle when the only error message is Crash!!!

[rain cedar]

This word counter sucks

vector205f

[dark wigeon]

could be a word

[hoary anvil]

welp...

[hollow pier]

Word still appears Frequency times so it's pretty consistent

[hoary anvil]

cya

[dark wigeon]

@ornate rivet does it work now

[ornate rivet]

yes

I think

[dark wigeon]

have you seen this beautiful code yet https://github.com/nesrak1/HKWorldEdit/blob/master/Assets/Editor/AssetBundler/BundleMeta.cs

[rain cedar]

I'm gonna make a word counter that doesn't suck ass

any magic number

[cunning lagoon]

69

[rain cedar]

You should at least comment why the magic numbers are what they are

Otherwise it's just nonsense

[dark wigeon]

i don't know what they do either

[ornate rivet]

wtf why are these two connected

[dark wigeon]

because logic

blame unity's bad code for that

[ornate rivet]

understandable

[hazy sentinel]

69
// it's the sex number lol

[dark wigeon]

just use move tool don't use the sprite tool

[ornate rivet]

ah ok

works now

[dark wigeon]

also yes sprites will unload once their center goes off the screen, yet another unity bug

but I don't have source code or anything so I have no idea why

[rain cedar]

Prevent them from going off screen

Keep them on the edge but invisible

Incredible solution

[ornate rivet]

Fancy benches are just regular benches in disguise

incredible

[dark wigeon]

yeah

[ornate rivet]

capitalism at work

[dark wigeon]

probably hides it at runtime

[hazy sentinel]

we must ask #hk-lore about this

[ornate rivet]

what do all those write(0)s do

[dark wigeon]

i dunno dont ask me

[hazy sentinel]

righto mate

[dark wigeon]

ask the unity dev team

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[ornate rivet]

tbh it's not that much

we can add in the platforming challenge tc took out of godhome

just ask Ari for the spritesheet

@ AriEX2#0205

[dark wigeon]

oh yeah i forgot about this

[hazy sentinel]

ill be replacer

[dark wigeon]

imAlreadyReplacer

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[cunning lagoon]

SalehAce#4730 you should add checkpoints to p5

[ornate rivet]

I want to say sigh again

[dark wigeon]

you already did

[ornate rivet]

sigh

why is the wp entrance inside wp?

[vivid crag]

Da fuk

[cunning lagoon]

well, there's actually a really simple explanation for that:

[vivid crag]

Wp is an infinite loop confirmed

Ty for the entrance

[ornate rivet]

does it start combining stuff when I do OpenScene multiple times?

[dark wigeon]

oh yeawh

I switched from an older unity version

and for some reason it ignores the fact that I'm clearing the level again

so just ctrl+a delete then reload the scene

[ornate rivet]

ok

thanks unity

[dark wigeon]

very cool

[ornate rivet]

making some slight changes

[vivid crag]

[marble scarab]

wow is this super meat boy 2

[vivid crag]

Is this the ultimate path of mental paiN

You should redo pop

An at the end put 30

[ornate rivet]

I have to wait for nes to fix the enemy editing to do that

[vivid crag]

Ok

[marble scarab]

honestly someone should try to remake a smb level in hk

[native wing]

maybe

[ornate rivet]

this should make creating my pale lurker mod a lot easier

[vivid crag]

Or put 3 pale lurkers at the end

[hazy sentinel]

sigh

[ornate rivet]

reeee

[marble scarab]

sigh

[ornate rivet]

why doesn't this part want to render

[weak lodge]

Oh fuck

Is the level editor complete

[dark wigeon]

Sometimes there are blacked out areas

Like secret areas

Just set it to invisible/disabled

[weak lodge]

Thank you Nes, very cool

[cunning lagoon]

np

[weak lodge]

wtf

[dark wigeon]

Your name doesn't even have n or e in it

[copper nacelle]

you're welcome

[cunning lagoon]

it does have an s so i have officially maed one third of the editor

[hazy sentinel]

https://youtu.be/tE1LAlA_ZpQ

[dark wigeon]

Technically I made 110% of it

[ornate rivet]

I deleted 1 line out, does this mean I am the real creator of this mod

[dark wigeon]

Yes you are official contributor

[ornate rivet]

incredible

[cunning lagoon]

i made this editor 🙂

[dark wigeon]

Actually I prefer Lucas more than ness >:)

[ornate rivet]

I made hk 😀

[weak lodge]

Alright are we ready to make PoP2 godhome edition

[cunning lagoon]

nes1

[dark wigeon]

What do I win

[hazy sentinel]

nes1 altima

[cunning lagoon]

a folder

[dark wigeon]

A sad feeling? Awe

[weak lodge]

You win credits for every mod that uses your mod

[copper nacelle]

you win an asset bundle

[weak lodge]

Wait really

[cunning lagoon]

man i like cheese

[copper nacelle]

no

[weak lodge]

You win eroico if you promise to speedrun it

[dawn oxide]

are custom levels possible or just editing existing levels

[dark wigeon]

Just edits right now

[dawn oxide]

gotcha

[weak lodge]

Yay editing godhome layout when

PoP2

[dawn oxide]

how long could that take? because thats what i really want to do

[weak lodge]

Buzzsaws but Godhome

[cunning lagoon]

pop2 should force you to use dashmaster

[weak lodge]

I Meagan

What

Thanks autocorrect

[ornate rivet]

pop2 should force sharp shadow

[cunning lagoon]

i shall not screencap this one

autocorrect doesnt count

[hazy sentinel]

TmA0

[weak lodge]

very cool and funny meme

[cunning lagoon]

tmao true 😂 👌

[weak lodge]

Tmao

Can I trademark this

[hazy sentinel]

™ao

[weak lodge]

Thank you veru

Very cool

[cunning lagoon]

Ok discord dont send my messages why would you

[weak lodge]

Thank you discord for shitting and holding my message for 45 seconds

™ao

[hazy sentinel]

Kn19h™aore

[weak lodge]

Night whore you mean

[ornate rivet]

does the fsm opener work?
clicking on events and variables doesn't show them

[dark wigeon]

@dawn oxide it shouldn't be that hard to load the scene from a bundle, it would probably only take a couple of lines of code. The real issue is setting up the scene the way hollow knight wants to

Collision/transitions/spawning etc

Fsm viewer is really outdated and no, clicking things doesn't work

It all got copy pasted into the wpf one

[rain cedar]

Ok I got distracted for a bit but now I did it

Most used words between all files in randomizer

int is up there but it's no string

[cunning lagoon]

why do they make me swim all the way back to the stone boss

how hard would it have been to add a save statue before his room 🤔

[hazy sentinel]

how hard would it have been to add a save statue in p5

[rain cedar]

Dying to fitzry

The lack of an autosave at fitzroy is shit though I can agree to that

If there was an autosave you could oob swim there and skip all the leticia crap

[cunning lagoon]

yeah it caught me off guard becausse every boss that i died to had autosaved me before it

not sure why this one doesnt

cool boss though

[rain cedar]

He's ok

He's better than most story bosses but worse than corners

[cunning lagoon]

is that one hard to figure out

i kinda wanna just look everything up

[rain cedar]

It's not impossible to figure out but there's a long scavenger hunt you can skip completely if you know where the end of it is

If you look it up everything says you need to do the scavenger hunt but that's wrong

[cunning lagoon]

huh

[rain cedar]

It is in theory possible to skip the leticia quest btw

[cunning lagoon]

oh are the dead bodies hints or something

[rain cedar]

It would just be slower

[cunning lagoon]

i found one or two

[rain cedar]

Yeah the dead dudes

[cunning lagoon]

do you kill these bosses for 100%

pete told me only tweaks and mats counted for that

[rain cedar]

Nah you don't

They give you a star on your save file is all

And each gives a new tweak but they don't count

[cunning lagoon]

oh so you just ignore the whole thing?

[rain cedar]

The double jump tweak from corners would be sick if it wasn't shit

You can't stack a gun boost + double jump

And buffered jumps don't refresh the double jump

[cunning lagoon]

wtf

[rain cedar]

I guess because you're never technically on the ground

Go from falling to rising immediately

It's a pretty obvious bug, kinda surprising it's in the game

[quick mortar]

Hi! Happy New Year to everyone first of all!

[hollow pier]

wait there's an actual double jump

[cunning lagoon]

yeah at ancient basin

you have to kill broken vessel

[quick mortar]

Second, I want to start practicing for a speedrun of the white palace, and I wanted to know if there's a mod to load a save state? You know, so I don't have quit and open the game again

[rain cedar]

For white palace the optimal patch is 1.0.0.6, for which nothing like that exists

[quick mortar]

what do you mean optimal patch?

[rain cedar]

I mean it's fastest

[quick mortar]

like, the game is faster?

or the path?

[rain cedar]

You can get through the area faster because of some skips in it that got patched out

In one spot you can hit a lever through a door and in another you can double jump up what's supposed to be an exit to skip a full section

[quick mortar]

oh, thanks for that info

so, there's no mod to load save states in any version?

[rain cedar]

Not most versions

It exists for 1.0.2.8 and 1.2.2.1, the most common patches for speedrunning

[quick mortar]

oh ok, thanks!

[hazy sentinel]

❤ 😀

[cunning lagoon]

can the last gun upgrade multihit if the enemy is running away from you

like in hk

[rain cedar]

Yeah

[cunning lagoon]

also pete told me thats the one that does the most dps

can you confirm

[rain cedar]

Yeah

Might not be a universal rule but I can't think of exceptions right now

All the enemies/bosses/whatever have hidden resistances/weaknesses

Like for possessed thunk a missile kills him in one shot but the "stronger" electrically charged missile doesn't

Because he's super strong against electric attacks

And for black 1 the stun gun does basically nothing

[cunning lagoon]

whos possessed thunk again

[rain cedar]

The boss in dark cave

[cunning lagoon]

oh yeah

[rain cedar]

what

Time to make a new project, something is fucked here

[hollow pier]

usurper is mega broken

also does swapping do any damage

[rain cedar]

no

The best thing about usurper is you can bypass the cooldown by shooting the stun gun without fully overheating it

[cunning lagoon]

sean stream

[rain cedar]

no

[hollow pier]

kuro stream

[cunning lagoon]

what do you want me to stream

[hollow pier]

icono

[cunning lagoon]

why would you want to watch me play icono

[hollow pier]

learn the route

[cunning lagoon]

rofl ok

[hollow pier]

[cunning lagoon]

one sec

let me pull up sean's extensive guide and watch it on stream

[hollow pier]

is this me except i was too lazy to capture it so it was just audio

[cunning lagoon]

oh thats what its gonna be

[hollow pier]

[rain cedar]

Don't forget to reset to before kibuka after the chrome fight like pete

[hollow pier]

who's kibuka

glitched rocket guy

[rain cedar]

yes

[hollow pier]

very cool strat that carried me through challenge

[hazy sentinel]

😩

[fair rampart]

If that level creator gets finished and someone wants to make Forest of Bones, maybe this layout could work?

[compact sedge]

that's so far down

[fair rampart]

Where would you put a hidden area full of lava?

the only other open spots are down by the 420 Geo deposit in Edge, and to the right of the Resting Grounds

[rose plank]

under hive?

[fair rampart]

on the zoomed out map that just shows the outline of areas, there isn't room to put an area in the bottom right

so it has to be bottom left or top right

[rain cedar]

Why's it say start on the middle of the area?

Fan cntent

[hollow pier]

i left what happened to the icono stream

[fair rampart]

Where it shows the area name for the first time

[rain cedar]

Idk my internet went down and I'm not using mobile data for that

[cunning lagoon]

i missed the second boss skip and i didnt have a save

[hollow pier]

what

kerthunk?

[cunning lagoon]

i guess

[hollow pier]

how do you even miss that

[rain cedar]

How do you miss that?

[hollow pier]

you get infinite tries

[cunning lagoon]

it let me walk out of the cutscene so i assumed i did it right

[hollow pier]

and you always get it

so did you wake up in shard

[cunning lagoon]

no

i got caught but it let me walk out

so i assumed that was fine

did i have to hold wrench or something

[hollow pier]

what

did you have the glitchy walk

[cunning lagoon]

i dont think so

[rain cedar]

Oh you mean the caught thing

[hollow pier]

that's the entire skip

[rain cedar]

That's not even a cutscene

[cunning lagoon]

oh what

[hollow pier]

the caught thing only serves as a barrier

so you can't go back left

[cunning lagoon]

shit game

[hollow pier]

shit runner

[cunning lagoon]

same

[rain cedar]

Fun fact you can actually get on the left of the caught thing

And it's huge

If you touch it you walk all the way through it to the right

[hollow pier]

incredible

[cunning lagoon]

sorta related i need to find a better swap key

q is kind of uncomfortable

[rain cedar]

v

[hollow pier]

i use aszxc

just use hk binds

[cunning lagoon]

i use wasd thanks

[hollow pier]

ok so what

use wasd aszxc

no issue here

[rain cedar]

I use esc zxcv

[hollow pier]

esc is bad

do not use esc

[cunning lagoon]

arrow keys 🤢

[rain cedar]

He can't use a though, that's for movement

[hollow pier]

wasd

just put menu near your action keys

[rain cedar]

Yeah wasd is good for when you need the mouse

People who use it when you don't need mouse confuse me

[hollow pier]

same

[cunning lagoon]

what

why would you train both of your hands to control your character

when you can use wasd for both mouse games and mouseless games

[rain cedar]

Train what

[cunning lagoon]

and keep the muscle memory

[hollow pier]

because wasd sucks

[rain cedar]

You just push the buttons

[cunning lagoon]

wdym train what

[hollow pier]

or you just have different muscle memory for mouseless games

[cunning lagoon]

if you asked me to play hk but controlling the knight with arrow keys

i woudlnt be able to

[rain cedar]

Here's a shard save I don't have kerthunk

Because why would anyone have a kerthunk save?

[hollow pier]

same

[cunning lagoon]

shit tutorial

doesnt explsin shit

[hollow pier]

x

[cunning lagoon]

doesnt even explain fast text until halfway through chapter 1

[hollow pier]

because

there is no text

until then

[cunning lagoon]

not with that attitude

[rain cedar]

Yeah I explain it at the second text box

That's not that late

[hollow pier]

ok you can fast text through skippable cutscenes then

[rain cedar]

I think one of the old any% standard records did that

Either that or normal text through a skippable cutscene

Either way he didn't skip it, I know that much

[cunning lagoon]

well i will be back home in a week or so

so ill keerp learning the run then

[hollow pier]

fish jump weeklong waiting room

[rain cedar]

I think monomod hooks don't work on coroutines

Rip

[fair rampart]

Out of curiosity, what would happen if I put Womb's cooldown at zero, and made the spawn cap 999?

I assume bad things

not for Charm Overhaul of course

but just for memes

I'm going to guess you just constantly spew flies until the game dies

[lethal fulcrum]

doing this would be the same as making radiance fight zote

[fair rampart]

I'm just imagining a huge cloud of flies instantly killing a boss the moment it spawns

honestly, the game would prob crash before the boss spawned

[hollow pier]

oh no

i forgot about this corridor with mina

is this shit possible on challenge

surely not

[weak lodge]

I heard Mina controls very gay

Can you confirm

[hollow pier]

big confirm

[quick mortar]

if you're gonna record the Womb thing, maybe have 2 different recorders. One in the pc, and one in real space facing the monitor

[hollow pier]

no

i was at the end

fuck mina

[weak lodge]

I mean

I don’t think she’s underage

[rain cedar]

Mina controls basically the same except the gun

[hollow pier]

no she feels so much worse

[rain cedar]

Also robin is either 16 or 17, I forget, so mina is probably around the same

[hollow pier]

why can't you move for 6 days after firing

[rain cedar]

Because there's a long animation

[hollow pier]

i made it

fuck this corridor

[rain cedar]

It's not that bad

[hollow pier]

wow mendeleev can just walk into you

[quick mortar]

wait, what's the mod with mina?

[weak lodge]

🤔

hmm

[rain cedar]

No see you've made the critical error of assuming this channel stays on topic

[hollow pier]

he's actually done it

[weak lodge]

Like a boss

[fair rampart]

well yeah

it's a boss

[weak lodge]

[hollow pier]

shit character can't duck under platforms

[rain cedar]

Wait wtf I don't even have the shitty poggers anymore

I just have

I don't even remember which server sereme is but I don't like that they're kicking too

[hollow pier]

yeah frog's emotes are gone for now

[weak lodge]

[hollow pier]

or do you mean the deformed poggers

oh thank fuck i'm robin again

wow look

[quick mortar]

@rain cedar "this channel doesn't stay on topic" noted!

[hollow pier]

a cleanly moving character

incredible

[fair rampart]

[weak lodge]

noted!

[hazy sentinel]

noted in my 5 ints

[unborn badger]

i see ptkyr is playing iconoclasts

[hazy sentinel]

very astute of you to notice this the first time pete mentions iconoclasts

[weak lodge]

astute

[unborn badger]

alexa define astute

[weak lodge]

It means those reaction

[unborn badger]

mortar board white check mark pepothumb

[weak lodge]

Ay ay

What react was that

56 purge this earth of weeb reacts

[fair rampart]

[hollow pier]

ah yes

nobel

my favourite

[rain cedar]

skip

[hollow pier]

how skip

[unborn badger]

nobel

the character i can never remember the name of

[rain cedar]

Yeah if only I had a guide including the skip or something

[hollow pier]

look buddy

no spoilers

i've only done isi

[rain cedar]

Ok I won't say any more

[weak lodge]

In the words of DLBlurosh,
“Run eroico it good game”

[rain cedar]

It can't be that good, it doesn't even have a speedrun.com page

[hollow pier]

oh no

why is the room full of gas

[hazy sentinel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/aboj6k/you_can_slash_up_frustrated/

[rain cedar]

What do these cryptic scribbles even mean?

ascending close long click

[fair rampart]

these people keep one-upping eachother's stupidity

[hollow pier]

why does nobel have two hp bars

[rain cedar]

Every boss has multiple

[weak lodge]

How do I get out of the room with the mosquito and the ledges? Help I am stuck, I’ve been at it for around 20 minutes now and I can’t seem to get passed the starting area, I’m starting to give up on this game because of how horribly designed the levels are

[hollow pier]

nevermind i was using bomb

first try with over half hp with usurper

[fair rampart]

can these people just... not be on the internet?

[rain cedar]

Turns out you can jump in this game? Why it could not tell me this at the beginning

[hazy sentinel]

hmm

[rain cedar]

good question

[hazy sentinel]

brings back wonderful memories

[dusky lion]

not pressing the screenshot button strikes again

[hollow pier]

oh joy

elro

i love moving slowly

[rain cedar]

Slow movement is his punishment for murdering everything that moves

Wow the comments are worse somehow

[fair rampart]

poor graig

[rain cedar]

Team Cherry should fire they're playtester and hire me.

[dusky lion]

You hear that Graig? You're out of a job

[rain cedar]

Yeah you’re putting yourself at a massive disadvantage by not using a controller.

Game wasn’t designed for keyboard, that’s why. It says at the beginning “controller highly recommended”

[hazy sentinel]

❔

[rain cedar]

My favorite is the response to that

Dense motherfucker somehow didn't even see the several second splash screen

[hollow pier]

why do people exist at all

[rain cedar]

No wonder he can't figure out down attack

[fair rampart]

he couldn't even figure out upslash

[hollow pier]

wait lawrence's sword throw changes speed

[fair rampart]

why tf would you not check if you can aim your attacks?

[rain cedar]

What?

Oh I see what you mean nevermind

There's three different throw attacks

He throws it mid or low at high speed

Or mid, but spinning, at slow speed

[hollow pier]

so why is his first gun so much longer

[rain cedar]

what

[fair rampart]

wait, this guy says "why does the game tutorialize moving left/right and jumping, but not attack up/down?"
at what point does it tell you how to move?

[rain cedar]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand up slash. The controls are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of metroidvanias most of the possibilities will go over a typical player's head.

[hazy sentinel]

what is the focus trick

[hollow pier]

the first gun has like 3 more projectiles

[rain cedar]

what

[fair rampart]

tfw you can't stand the stupidity anymore

I want to see the op respond to sean's comment

On the edge of my seat anticipating the inevitable high-IQ response

[weak lodge]

I would like to see what they might say aswell

[fair rampart]

hi Finch

discord says hi

[weak lodge]

Be weary of the words “motherfucker” or “jackass”

[hazy sentinel]

[fair rampart]

jackass is a species of penguin

[weak lodge]

Oh

Nice

Soulsborne is apparently related to hk

Hollowsoulsborne

Yes

[hollow pier]

wow i finally killed lawrence

[hazy sentinel]

lawrence who

[weak lodge]

the 14th Doctor that’s who

[fair rampart]

oooo woooo oooooo

dooooo doo doooo

[weak lodge]

U gud Nate

[fair rampart]

°oOwOo°

[weak lodge]

Alright I know I’m high now cya

[hollow pier]

dae equip 3 iron hearts for black 2 then just hitless the fight

sean is there anything in midway

[rain cedar]

no

[civic hare]

the focus trick is if you focus you can heal damage. can't believe the game didn't tutorialize this shaking my smh my head

[fair rampart]

the game teaches you to focus right after it teaches you to interact
😩

why would they refer to it as a trick

[hazy sentinel]

not if you don't interact ez

[rain cedar]

It also tells you to focus after you get hit the first time though

No excuses

[hazy sentinel]

not if you don't get hit ez

[rain cedar]

Blood type: gamer

[hazy sentinel]

wow great stuff youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9p65OA696U

[fair rampart]

If I wanted to hear a keyboard, I'd listen to one of 56's streams

[civic hare]

i dont get asmr

asmr: me typing on a keyboard (and also making really gross wet slapping noises with my mouth)

[fair rampart]

IDGI either

[young walrus]

all about that shiver up ur spine

[buoyant obsidian]

yeah but now imagine it's a girl doing it

[young walrus]

where do i sub

[hollow pier]

owo what's this

how get

i've done it

[rain cedar]

Impressive

[hollow pier]

[rain cedar]

Less useful than it sounds tbh

[hollow pier]

same

how is this useful at all

[rain cedar]

It's not

I think you're supposed to use it to detonate a bomb here

But you don't actually need it and no other puzzle seems to be designed around it

[hollow pier]

wow i just got those chests

nutty

and i moved the block there like 5 years ago

[hollow pier]

owo

still 91% tell me what i have to do now

i lied it's 89%

[rain cedar]

That's area completion

Go do other areas

[hollow pier]

darland is 62%

[rain cedar]

I'm assuming you did dark jump

So yeah, not unexpected

[hollow pier]

but the map looks so fleshed out

how could i be missing 38%

[rain cedar]

There's 3 chests in dark cave

In the bit you've skipped

[hollow pier]

oh

what

[rain cedar]

Oh you didn't skip it

[hollow pier]

i did bat jump

but i went back

[rain cedar]

You're missing a chest top right

Left of the save

[hollow pier]

only at 75%

[rain cedar]

Another two in the dark section

[hollow pier]

that would do it

[rain cedar]

One at the bottom of the big water area

[hollow pier]

assuming each one is 12.5%

[rain cedar]

Another left of that a bit

[hollow pier]

i got one of them

he's done it

is there stuff in impact

[rain cedar]

no

[hollow pier]

ok

96% i think i have all areas 100%

[rain cedar]

I guess you don't

Glass strait?

[hollow pier]

oh

yeah

100% glass strait still 96%

[rain cedar]

There's stuff in one concern east too

Easy to miss

[hollow pier]

oh those areas

how does fitzroy work

is it only post starworm

[rain cedar]

It's whenever you've seen all the leticia spots

[hollow pier]

who

is that the green hooded lady

[rain cedar]

Yeah

She appears in settlement 17, then shard by the secret ivory oil (only after isi), then shockwoods at the upper bit of the mina section, isilugar by the ivory oil chest before the first robots, darland bottom left of the upper part

Idk when she appears in shockwoods, probably after tower

[hollow pier]

is this mr mushroom

[rain cedar]

Basically

[hollow pier]

77% ocw

terrible

[hollow pier]

ok

got all chests

but missing one tweak i think

[rain cedar]

PepeHands

[frigid raft]

hey

is there any item randomizer in the mod manager?

[rain cedar]

Yes

[frigid raft]

how is it called?

at least its not called item randomizer

[rain cedar]

Randomizer

[frigid raft]

the only randomizer i see is an enemy randomizer

[dusky lion]

hmm

[frigid raft]

ooooh

u can scroll down XDDDDD

thx

[ornate rivet]

sigh

[dusky lion]

insightful commentary

[weak lodge]

Isn’t this what modding help was created for

[copper nacelle]

Yes

[weak lodge]

Then why not commit use

[copper nacelle]

Idk ask Pepoteman

The real question is why haven't you made a mod yet

[dusky lion]

remember ascended god gorb

yeah im never making that

[copper nacelle]

is it time for me to steal the mod

[dusky lion]

yes

[copper nacelle]

nice

ok imagine gorb

but each projectile has a flame trail

[weak lodge]

Because

[copper nacelle]

easy

[weak lodge]

a

[dusky lion]

but every 500 damage a new one spawns

[weak lodge]

abcd

[dusky lion]

that is what i was gonna do

[copper nacelle]

Wtf

That doesn't even involve FSMs

Why have you not made this

[dusky lion]

what if i told you

mk.hokiyi.gkjuxijtgcdkgw6stuj5d4c9r6ily

[weak lodge]

What if I told you

Gorb is an ok boss

[copper nacelle]

Then you'd be lying; he sucks

[weak lodge]

Best boss marmu @ Eldritch God ChingBling#5294

[copper nacelle]

best boss absrad @ gittle#9241

[dusky lion]

wait did they really change his whole name for that not just nickname thats gay