#archived-modding-development

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solemn rivet
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You already do that tho

rain cedar
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Yeah

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So it's what I'm gonna do

ripe shore
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Aha

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Joakim Sandberg

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An anagram for Seanpr

cunning lagoon
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not even 10/10

ripe shore
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You can't fool me

cunning lagoon
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why play it

floral furnace
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if sean adds your category to the hk run page will you play it

rain cedar
solemn rivet
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Add his category to iconoclasts sr page imo

leaden hedge
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wyza submitted canvas util beacuse I was too lazy which is like 600 lines intenseface

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thats more than you apparently

rain cedar
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Yeah the original development wasn't on git

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And wyza did the initial commit

leaden hedge
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me fixing a typo I made in canvasutil

cunning lagoon
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nice

rain cedar
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CanvasUtil has like 3000 lines of block comments anyway

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Barely counts as code

leaden hedge
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its not my fault that canvas has complicated maths to decide how to draw boxes

solemn rivet
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1% of canvasutil is actually useful tbh

leaden hedge
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i mean all of its useful if you're making anything with canvas

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unless you want to remember the 5 lines to make and parent each element

ripe shore
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Guys holy shit

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The mod works

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I finally got the example mod that probably should work be default to work

leaden hedge
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shinji congratulation insert

ripe shore
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Holy shit

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uhhh

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Fuck what do I do now

leaden hedge
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anything

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you're free

ripe shore
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wow

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i ncre ble

cunning lagoon
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yea boi

compact sedge
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go rob a bank

cunning lagoon
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remember to bring a saw

leaden hedge
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you won't be free for long if you do that

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don't recommend

floral furnace
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robbing banks is badass happygrub

cunning lagoon
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you are badass

fair rampart
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your ass is bad

rain cedar
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Make more randomizers

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Damage randomizer

fair rampart
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make enemy rando not suck

floral furnace
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Charm randomizer that randomizes your charms ever 5 seconds

cunning lagoon
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charm randomizer that randomizes the placement of every charm

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also every item and geo chest

rain cedar
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Enemy rando is probably fairly easy to fix

ripe shore
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Lmao damage randomizer

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Might as well throw in negative damage

rain cedar
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I mean the main ram hog is textures

ripe shore
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For extra ahem challenge

rain cedar
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And you can save those to file

leaden hedge
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health randomizer, sets your health to a value between 0 and max every second

ripe shore
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4 real gamerz

rain cedar
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Chaos mod has that KDT

leaden hedge
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quality

rain cedar
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Except much faster and not 0

leaden hedge
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wow its actually playable

cunning lagoon
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where is the fun on not randomly dying instantly

leaden hedge
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i revert my seal of quality

floral furnace
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Chaos mod shouldve been put in the museum of modern art

rain cedar
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Playable is debatable

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Auto dash makes uumuu actually impossible

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I think it would be better to skip dash

ripe shore
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Sean did you just remove everyone's code

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And write your own

rain cedar
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Is that the original randomizer?

ripe shore
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Uhh

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First one I found not sure

rain cedar
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Check the other one, that's outdated af

fair rampart
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make Siblings blacklisted from colo and challenge rooms.
Make rando not affect bosses
fix crawler enemies getting stuck, upsidedown, etc
Properly categorize enemy size
Make enemies not change aspect ratio
Make rando not cause RAM to commit die
and other fixes

cunning lagoon
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whats wrong with siblings

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do they just break everything?

rain cedar
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Change aspect ratio

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Incredible

fair rampart
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yes

leaden hedge
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make hornet playable

ripe shore
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?

rain cedar
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I'm on mobile so finding it would suck

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But it's seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod

ripe shore
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Oh lol sure

fair rampart
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When a sibling dies, the game doesn't check if they die or something, and the colo/challenge will break

ripe shore
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Jesus how many randomizers are there anyway

cunning lagoon
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yeah OK

rain cedar
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There's enemy rando and the old/new item rando

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Should be it

fair rampart
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Why do enemies in the Basin and Abyss get turned on their sides in rando?

rain cedar
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Probably because it's a bad mod

ripe shore
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Ouch

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What if the mod writer hears that you ass

fair rampart
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he won't

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he's never around anymore

rain cedar
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Kerr checking modding GWjiangoOmegaLUL

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I'll go tell him it sucks in modding staff so he sees it

ripe shore
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Oh Kerr's enemy randomizer mod was the one I was looking for

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Sean just wants to plug his own

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Pft

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Items aren't enemies Sean

rain cedar
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I mean you linked the old version of my mod

leaden hedge
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ur an enemy

ripe shore
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Oh

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Well

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Um

leaden hedge
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and not an item

ripe shore
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Your fault

rain cedar
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Same

ripe shore
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But true I was really hoping the ores would be randomized when I tried yours

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So that would be cool to figure out

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Is there any sort of progression logic in the mod that prevents you getting stuck?

rain cedar
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Should be easy when I get around to it

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Yeah, of course

cunning lagoon
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please no randomized ores

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dnail at colo2 GWfroggyMonkaMega

ripe shore
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How does that work

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Do you just limit mothwing to be in a set series of spots?

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or something

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That seems really tedious lol

rain cedar
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You can check the items.xml for a general idea of it

ripe shore
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Sure

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Sean

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This is slightly more complicated looking than a crit every 4 hits 🤔

rain cedar
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Randomizer is very complicated yes

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Probably the most in depth mod as of right now

ripe shore
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Hm

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I didn't expect that

cunning lagoon
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idk about that, InvertKnight is a pretty complex mod

rain cedar
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Why not? There's a lot that needs to be done for randomization

ripe shore
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🤔

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Maybe if we all work together we will one day surpass the complexity of InvertKnight

cunning lagoon
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dunno aboput that man that doesnt look like a realistic goal

compact sedge
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if I ever finish redwing it might be more in depth

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but that's never happening

rain cedar
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You have working mesh renderers so that counts for something

ripe shore
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Sean what are all these commits about no claw mode

rain cedar
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Isn't there like one on that?

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It's a work in progress but it's exactly what it sounds like

ripe shore
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Have of the last commit messages I've seen are "beginning of no claw mode"

floral furnace
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hey angle any idea why fool eater keeps breaking destroying my go permanently

ripe shore
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There's like 4 places you can go without claw lol

compact sedge
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cuz fool eater is a b to work with

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don't bother

rain cedar
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You can go everywhere but howling cliff and dreamers

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And cpeak chest

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Claw is not that essential

ripe shore
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There's no way

rain cedar
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You're underestimating wings

ripe shore
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Ah

cunning lagoon
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your react game is on point ttacco

floral furnace
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thx

compact sedge
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on hollow point

ripe shore
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saw my legs =/= taco

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???

rain cedar
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Yeah he is

compact sedge
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you could do a manual hit detection on layer 0 and if the bullet hits a fool eater it insta kills it cuz fuck those guys

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or if you wanna be really hacky (aka if that doesn't work for some reason) then if there's fool eaters in the scene just calculate the distance between your bullet and it with pythag

rain cedar
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Remove them completely tbh

floral furnace
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its not that i cant hit them, its that if i fire point blank just in their faces i stop spawning the bullets until i restart the game

rain cedar
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You should fix that

compact sedge
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because hitting them causes a error to be thrown

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and thrown errors are silently hidden in the player.log

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or w/e it's called

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actually

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would it be possible for modding api to log all exceptions thrown in modlog?

rain cedar
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Uh maybe we can catch first chance exceptions

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Idk if that would work

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Something is catching the errors already or it would just die

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So unity might make that not work

ripe shore
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Yeah Sean's mods are scary

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I'm just going to go play Celeste now

leaden hedge
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when are people gonna start using hacks like this

cunning lagoon
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wtf how did you record my gameplay

leaden hedge
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i mean that only sets up the game to be fixed frame duration

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by overwriting unitys call for deltaTime in c++ with a call to my function intenseface

cunning lagoon
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wow ok kdt you ruined my highly amusing joke again

leaden hedge
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it took 56 too long to add input overrides and I got bored

rain cedar
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You can probably replace the action set with a dummy one that doesn't actually check anything and only reads from a file

leaden hedge
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56 got it too work

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it was just like 3 months after I asked for it intenseface

compact sedge
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me_irl

rain cedar
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56 is lazy, we all know this

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Won't even fix inventory drop

cunning lagoon
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also did you look into the colo thing

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the dude said he got softlocked there

rain cedar
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I'm visiting family for the holidays

cunning lagoon
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oh nice

rain cedar
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Open an issue on github if you want to be sure I'll remember

cunning lagoon
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i don't know how to do that so i will just remind you when you are back 🙂

leaden hedge
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what if you forget

fair rampart
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I'm making a doc with a list of problems in enemy rando

cunning lagoon
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bold of you to assume i forget things

leaden hedge
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ok bud

azure vessel
fair rampart
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I'll have to work on it more tomorrow, because it is midnight now

copper nacelle
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imagine sleeping

cunning lagoon
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same

hollow pier
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3 Pog more Pog days

cosmic merlin
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Does anyone know a good site to download mods ?

cunning lagoon
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the site is down

floral furnace
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oof then

cosmic merlin
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I am from my phone right now how can I see the pins ?

cunning lagoon
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there are 3 dots in the top right corner of the creen

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you tap that and tap on "pinned messages"

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but uou just want the installer from that

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and i dont think you are looking to install mods on your phone are you 🤔

vocal eagle
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Sorry I am very new to this server but do bug reports for mods go in here?

flat forum
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Yep

vocal eagle
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Cool

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I will describe the bug in details when I’m back at home

flat forum
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Okay!

solemn rivet
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Papy!

flat forum
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Heya

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Maple is

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very convincing

solemn rivet
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Maple syrup is

vocal eagle
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@flat forum Sorry for the super late response

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Here's the bug I found with the LightBringer Mod, The knockback is messed up whenever you have Silent Divide equip along with Twin Fangs and Radiant Jewel

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it will always push you back towards the left side regardless of which sides you're facing

floral furnace
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contact 56 tbh

weak lodge
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aBsOlUtElY bRoKeN cHaRmS

vocal eagle
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@copper nacelle

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Fix plz

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Actually don't I like sliding around in one direction

ornate rivet
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How long would it take to turn all the FSMs of Pale Lurker and turn it into code?

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The fsms dont seem to be too complicated but there seems to be a lot of gaps in them for some reason

dusky trail
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is there a freecam mod for this game??

young walrus
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No

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You can zoom out tho

dusky trail
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ohhh

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That's what i meant by free cam

ornate rivet
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Debug mod

dusky trail
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how do i enable it?

ornate rivet
dusky trail
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i did that

ornate rivet
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oh

young walrus
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Then install debug

ornate rivet
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zooming out is set to page up

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zooming in is set to page down

dusky trail
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alright, thank you!

ornate rivet
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@copper nacelle
Help, why does changing Pale Lurker's FSM do nothing?
I wait until after the fight starts to set and use the fsm btw

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the game object is named Pale Lurker

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the fsm is named Lurker Control

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control = gameObject.LocateMyFSM("Lurker Control");

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_control.InsertMethod("Hop", 0, test);

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test is a method with Log("TEST");

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try and catch does not find any exceptions being thrown

hazy sentinel
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is this pale prince intenseface

fair rampart
ornate rivet
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@dark wigeon
Opening 3 fsms in the fsm reader then clicking on a state in the first fsm you opened results in a crash

ornate rivet
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I tried doing Log(control.ActiveStateName) in Update() and that shows the state "Hop" does activate

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I am really confused

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56 wake up and help me or die

fair rampart
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56 sleeps?

ornate rivet
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ok you wont believe this

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apparently waiting until the boss fight starts to get the fsm isn't enough for pale lurker

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I had to wait a frame after the boss fight started

dark wigeon
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@ornate rivet is this in the release or a build of master

ornate rivet
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release

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ok I fixed the lurker problem 56, you can go back to bed now, crisis averted

cosmic merlin
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this is my first time to play modded hollow knight any good mods to download ?

ornate rivet
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randomizer is good

cosmic merlin
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i want something to add content

ornate rivet
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lightbringer

cosmic merlin
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ty

fair rampart
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I want to change Soul Eater
from 4 notches, +8/6 Soul,
to 3 notches, +6/4 Soul

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how do I do that again

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I take a break from modding and I forget stuff

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reee

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I already have the notch changed

rain cedar
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Look for things that add soul

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If there's none fsm

fair rampart
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assembly c#

rain cedar
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Mystery solved

weak lodge
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soalgain

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shoes

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so basically youre changing all charms to be under 4 notches?

rain cedar
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Randomize notches

fair rampart
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Knightmere... that's not how you spell soul, or sole, for that matter

weak lodge
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notch randomizer

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that was the joke

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"what other way can i spell soul that makes no sense"

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what did you do to hiveblood?

rain cedar
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TIL it's a joke to misspell things for no reason

weak lodge
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u mean jonny

fair rampart
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Hiveblood is just 3

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no changes rly

rain cedar
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Jonny doesn't talk here or speedrunning

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So I never see him

weak lodge
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huh

rain cedar
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Basically doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned

cosmic merlin
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whats the randomizer 2 and RNG mods ?

weak lodge
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i got a 5:56 with loads on wp zoot

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randomizer

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enemy randomizer

rain cedar
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Randomizer is an item randomizer

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RNG is a shitpost

cosmic merlin
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what ??

weak lodge
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rng mod is a shitpost, he said

rain cedar
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It randomizes waits

fair rampart
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PoP enemy randomizer is virtually impossible

weak lodge
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tiktik% is virtually impossible

young walrus
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Chaos mod tbh

weak lodge
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darkroom mod

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but we all know the most rng mod there is is custom knight

fair rampart
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So, since the SoulGain hook comes after Catcher and Eater are accounted for, I subtract from num, right?

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wait no

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I'm stupid

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Is it worth updating VS right now? It looks like the update applies mainly to C++ and F#, which i don't use

weak lodge
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then dont until ur done ez

fair rampart
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        private int OnSoulGain(int num)
        {
            int mpcharge = HeroController.instance.playerData.MPCharge;
            bool flag = mpcharge < HeroController.instance.playerData.maxMP;
            if (flag)
            {
                num = 11;
                bool equippedCharm_ = HeroController.instance.playerData.equippedCharm_20;
                if (equippedCharm_)
                {
                    num += 3;
                }
                bool equippedCharm_2 = HeroController.instance.playerData.equippedCharm_21;
                if (equippedCharm_2)
                {
                    num += 6;
                }
            }
            else
            {
                num = 6;
                bool equippedCharm_3 = HeroController.instance.playerData.equippedCharm_20;
                if (equippedCharm_3)
                {
                    num += 2;
                }
                bool equippedCharm_4 = HeroController.instance.playerData.equippedCharm_21;
                if (equippedCharm_4)
                {
                    num += 4;
                }
            }
            return num;
        }
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this all I have to do?

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I should prob put comments in my code that says what stuff does, huh?

wintry ridge
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hey guys anyone here knows a mod site for hollow knight? i wanna try somethinyg new

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like a change in the charm system for the godseeker mode

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oh nice

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thanks

vocal eagle
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Wait a second

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Yea

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I can just mod the mods meself

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How could I forget about this

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All the mods are written in C sharp right?

compact sedge
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yes

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and most have actual source code

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so don't mess around with dnspy

vocal eagle
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What’s a dnspy

ornate rivet
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oof

compact sedge
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it doesn't matter cuz you don't need it

ornate rivet
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well it comes in handy when you want to see how an action works

compact sedge
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yes

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altho I heard the newest rider has it built in

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dunno if true

vocal eagle
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There are many words that I do not understand

ornate rivet
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the fsm reader that I have does not have that built in AA

weak lodge
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iS iT vS

ornate rivet
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Oppai do you need help on how to start modding?

vocal eagle
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Is fine

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I’ve had some experience with unity2d in C# myself so I think I can at least bumble my way through it

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That is if they are running in similar rules

weak lodge
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more lads making progress

ornate rivet
vocal eagle
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Huh

weak lodge
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wait so nes saves the day again

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wtf

ornate rivet
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This is old stuff Knightmere...

weak lodge
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i was not informed

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poor nes

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all this work

copper nacelle
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mOMEGALULdding knOMEGALULwledge

vocal eagle
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Insight gained

weak lodge
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you mean your existence since this channel revolves around you

ornate rivet
vocal eagle
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56 I will buff the shit out of the projectile nails in lightbringer

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And you can’t stop me

ornate rivet
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you're going to mod, mods?

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big think

vocal eagle
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And I’m gonna make the projectile nail interactable with environment

copper nacelle
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have fun with that

vocal eagle
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Was it a deliberate choice for that to not happen 56

copper nacelle
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Yeah

weak lodge
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@ 753#0753 aBsoLutEly bRokEn

copper nacelle
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For it to interact with the environment it'd have to be of non-nail beam type

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Meaning it'd cause staggers

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which would be broken as fuck

vocal eagle
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Right

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It would be wonky as shit

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I totally forgot about that part

ornate rivet
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cant you just remove stagger fsm from every boss?

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that's not too hard

weak lodge
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so basically eleg yon steroids

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wow disocrd stop dying on me]

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nice spelling

copper nacelle
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Yeah but rn you can still stagger with upslashes

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and downslashes

vocal eagle
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What bout upward projectile

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Ye

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I was about to ask about that

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I know that downward slash is kept for the pogo section

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But why not turn upward slash into a projectile as well

copper nacelle
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that's intentional

hazy sentinel
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why not make 5 nail hits in a row heal you

vocal eagle
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Is there a segment that requires a normal upward slash

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Oh right

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It was for the upgrade

weak lodge
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hahayes 2 new modders within a week, this is amazing

copper nacelle
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lightbringer knOMEGALULwledge

vocal eagle
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That charm upgrade with upward projectiles

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Cool

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Big lightbringer knowledge

leaden hedge
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i mean you could change everything that is interactable

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to make it not only trigger off nail hits

copper nacelle
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yeah

ornate rivet
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wouldn't you have to load every scene with new interactable objects?

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I guess not

leaden hedge
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could probably just check for collisions
then see if you hit something interactable and then trigger it

ornate rivet
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ok

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that makes more sense

fair rampart
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tfw INVUL_TIME_CYCLONE actually doesn't work

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            if (PlayerData.instance.equippedCharm_4 && PlayerData.instance.equippedCharm_26) //GloriousShell Enable//Not Working//
            {
                HeroController.instance.INVUL_TIME_CYCLONE = 0.35f;
            }
            if (!(PlayerData.instance.equippedCharm_4 && PlayerData.instance.equippedCharm_26)) //GloriousShell Disable//Not Working//
            {
                HeroController.instance.INVUL_TIME_CYCLONE = 0.25f;
            }
tranquil glen
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set bench respawn is asking me for a respawn type in the form of an int

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anyone know what number means what?

fair rampart
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uhh

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Like Hazard Respawn v Death Respawn maybe?

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No idea what the numbers correspond to

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wait what

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Good job on having multiple methods with the same name in the same class teamcherry

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@ornate rivet I think what you are looking for is in HeroController.Respawn()

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wait

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wrong ping

cunning lagoon
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please stop spamming my christian channel with crap

tranquil glen
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lol

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apparently 0 is lying down respawn

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1 is bench

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thats all i needed

hollow pier
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hmm

ornate rivet
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wtf

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I hate this

copper nacelle
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hate what?

ornate rivet
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pale lurker's fsm

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the game doesn't let me control Hop

hollow pier
ornate rivet
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all this time I thought my code wasn't working because I wasn't waiting enough frames

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but it just doesn't work when I try to edit Hop

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I can edit Hop Antic

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not Hop though

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56 enlighten me

copper nacelle
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edit better

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have you tried

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being descriptive

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what doesn't work about it

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is it an NRE

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do changes not get applied

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etc

ornate rivet
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good point

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All I am doing is inserting a method that Logs "Testing" _control.InsertMethod("Hop", 0, test);
Doing that does absolutely nothing
Doing this logs "Testing" _control.InsertMethod("Hop Antic", 0, test);
I changed "Hop" to "Hop Antic" and it works now

copper nacelle
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Do you even know if it goes into Hop?

ornate rivet
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I mean, apparently it doesnt

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but it needs to because Hop is what sets the y and x velocity values

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and as far as I can see, Hop is the only state that changes the x and y velocity values

copper nacelle
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remove the actions

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see what happens

ornate rivet
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nothing

copper nacelle
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🤔

ornate rivet
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I removed the SetVelocity2D

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everything was normal

copper nacelle
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then it isn't using that state

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look at the transitions on hop antic

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are you casting?

ornate rivet
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When hop antic goes into FINISHED (aka finishes animation), it goes into Hop

copper nacelle
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There are two transitions though

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Are you sure it isn't using the other one?

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Are you sure it isn't going to a global transition?

ornate rivet
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there are no global transitions

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at least in this fsm

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and isn't the other event only for when the knight casts a spell?

copper nacelle
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imagine trusting tc's descriptions

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What's the scene

ornate rivet
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GG_Lurker

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the HERO CAST SPELL event goes into Dig1

copper nacelle
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Where are you inserting the method?

ornate rivet
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index 0

copper nacelle
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Wtf

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I mean HERO CAST SPELL is a broadcast event

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so that makes sense

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but if you're not casting it should go into hop just fine

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show code

ornate rivet
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private void Awake()
{
    Log("Added PaleLurker Mono");

    try
    {
        _hm = gameObject.GetComponent<HealthManager>();
        _control = gameObject.LocateMyFSM("Lurker Control");
    }
    catch(Exception e)
    {
        Log(e);
    }
            
}
private void Start()
{
    _hm.hp = 1800;
    try
    {
        Log("Trying to get Lurker to follow you.");
        //_control.RemoveAction("Hop", 5);
        _control.InsertMethod("Hop Antic", 0, test);
    }
    catch (Exception e)
    {
        Log(e);
    }
}

public void test()
{
    Log("Testing");
}
silk jetty
#

imma do randomizer and enemy randomizer at the same time wish me luck

copper nacelle
#

What's Log

#

This is in a MonoBehaviour

ornate rivet
#
private static void Log(object obj)
{
    Logger.Log("[Pale Champion] " + obj);
}
fair rampart
#

a log is a fallen tree silly

tranquil glen
#

do randomizer and enemy randomizer and room randomizer imo

copper nacelle
#

Put a log after the insert method

fair rampart
#

if all the problems in enemy rando are fixed, sure

silk jetty
#

the enemy randomizer not working thing is fixed

#

yes

fair rampart
#

Is it?

ornate rivet
#

ok

silk jetty
#

I know it is because I can actually play enemy randomizer

#

and it doesn't freeze at 94%

ornate rivet
#

the log works

fair rampart
#

but enemy rando hasn't been updated

ornate rivet
#

do you want me to send you my solution?

fair rampart
#

I think it just works randomly

copper nacelle
#

Just put it on GitHub

#

I can take a look at it later

#

My cousins are over so it won't be rn

ornate rivet
#

ok

cunning lagoon
#

are they sin gle

silk jetty
#

oh god oh fuck kings pass has 4 traitor lords in it

hollow pier
#

that's easier than the regular enemies

silk jetty
#

welp, imma noclip past that because fuck that

fair rampart
#

I wonder why enemy rando randomly works for you

silk jetty
#

oh yeah, aa, it's not an update to rando that fixed it, it was an update to the api

fair rampart
#

wait rly?

silk jetty
#

yea

fair rampart
#

oh dang

ornate rivet
fair rampart
#

Enemy rando still has a lot of problems that need fixing tho

ornate rivet
#

thank you for posting that again nathan

fair rampart
#

YW

silk jetty
#

wow, I just had that collector scream issue

fair rampart
#

which one

#

stuck ontop of the level

silk jetty
#

pushing me back into the previous room

fair rampart
#

or infinitely reentering the room

silk jetty
#

guess I'll noclip again

#

fuck, I gotta go all the way around

#

since it affects me even in noclip

fair rampart
#

That room is just a no go then

silk jetty
#

welp, that makes getting to salubra and such much harder

fair rampart
#

um

#

how you plan on getting to FK?

silk jetty
#

noclip through the top section

fair rampart
#

this is why we use chaos mode

#

btw, is this normal mode, or room mode?

#

Because if this is normal mode you are screwed

silk jetty
#

normal mode

#

I can noclip in through the top

#

and get to salubra from the other route

fair rampart
#

than means whatever Collector replaced in that room, will also be Collectors in every other room that has that enemy

silk jetty
#

then I think it was room mode

#

because i've had the same enemy randomized to multiple thing

vivid crag
#

When the hornet dlc will be out i hope someone will mod the game by adding hornwt in the original game

#

Hornet vs hornet

fair rampart
#

hornwt

#

OwO

ornate rivet
#

we could make playable hornet right now as well

#

but it will be very sluggish

hazy sentinel
#

playable zote 😤

ornate rivet
#

we dont have running animation of zote though, unless we just use his nail swing animation

hazy sentinel
#

just make it a still image

#

lore friendly

ornate rivet
#

call it zote runner

#

and sell it on the android app store

hazy sentinel
#

😩

silk jetty
ornate rivet
#

hot

#

also, great job discussing modding ideas and sharing your creations for hollow knight

fair rampart
#

I'm betting on death

hazy sentinel
#

hi betting on death

silk jetty
#

I already died

#

so your bet is invalid

fair rampart
#

then I win

ornate rivet
#

you cant set a bet on an even after it's over though thinkgrub

silk jetty
#

cuz it respawns

#

and drops close to the normal amount of geo

fair rampart
#

You have rando Geo on?

silk jetty
#

it doesn't drop 420 but it's like 350 geo or something

fair rampart
#

because for whatever reason, rando Geo makes Mossy Vagabonds drop a fuck ton of Geo

hazy sentinel
#

what's even the point if it doesn't drop 420

silk jetty
#

are mossy vagabonds the fluffy ones?

fair rampart
#

fluffy fatties

silk jetty
#

mkay

hazy sentinel
#

blue conjoined fatties

silk jetty
#

oh god fuck those

hazy sentinel
copper nacelle
#

He's been uploading calamity hitless videos

cunning lagoon
#

no terraria runs somewhat fiune

hazy sentinel
#

wtf

cunning lagoon
#

also sv and eroico run decently well too

copper nacelle
#

HK perfGWjiangoOmegaLULrmance

fair rampart
#

Are you saying "terraria somewhat ruins the fun", or "terraria runs somewhat fine"?

cunning lagoon
#

i think you know the answer to that

hazy sentinel
#

BoC telefrag 😩 😤 👌

cunning lagoon
#

😔

#

tfw scal is more fair (fairer?) than boc

silk jetty
cunning lagoon
#

looks like you don't have claw

silk jetty
#

because if it is then I got gomode without leaving crossroads

#

can't you beat the game with just double jump?

hazy sentinel
#

looks like you haven't killed 120000 maskflies

silk jetty
#

and no claw

cunning lagoon
#

no

silk jetty
#

oh

#

okay

#

then I got almost gomode without leaving crossroads

copper nacelle
#

game knGWjiangoOmegaLULwledge

hazy sentinel
#

just get thk to spawn in place of a crawlid ez

ornate rivet
#

56 go hang out with your cousins

silk jetty
#

yeah

#

I should go do that

copper nacelle
#

I'm literally playing risk

silk jetty
#

gimmie a couple hours to look in every room in the game

copper nacelle
#

It's just not my turn and I'm bored

ornate rivet
#

understandable

fair rampart
#

Are you playing item rando + enemy rando?

#

hope nothing important is at Flukenest

hazy sentinel
#

room rando 😔

rain cedar
#

It's probably not too hard to fix that in enemy rando

#

But kerr isn't gonna be doing it any time soon of course

near minnow
silk jetty
#

I just discovered a room with 2 mossy vagabonds lebandPOG

fair rampart
#

welp

#

congrats

silk jetty
#

guess I get nigh infinite geo

#

I get like at least 350 geo per clear

cunning lagoon
#

tf is that

silk jetty
#

but the room also has a great hopper so it's an annoying room

fair rampart
#

Aspid boss

#

spawns aspids

cunning lagoon
#

no whats a mossy vagabond

copper nacelle
#

it's an aspid which runs away a lot and spawns some aspids

#

game kn

copper nacelle
#

wledge

hazy sentinel
#

game k***ht

copper nacelle
#

same

cunning lagoon
#

shove your wheelchair emoji up ur ass

silk jetty
copper nacelle
silk jetty
copper nacelle
silk jetty
#

fuck

#

lolwut

copper nacelle
#

incredible

hazy sentinel
#

😤

copper nacelle
#

😤

#

wow ok

cunning lagoon
#

capital d colon

copper nacelle
hazy sentinel
#

tallinn δ small intestine

rain cedar
#

Wow no cheating in hk

hollow pier
#

;crying baseball

#

ah yes

cunning lagoon
#

not even shape of unn smh

rain cedar
#

😩

hollow pier
#

;wiki speedrun

#

i just realized i have to play icono before running it and that takes time

copper nacelle
#

submit your first playthrough to any%

hollow pier
#

ah fuck they have decided shape of unn is in fact not too good for speedrunning

#

unfortunate

cunning lagoon
#

lmao

copper nacelle
#

check who changed it

hazy sentinel
#

Usefulness
1% completion

hollow pier
cunning lagoon
#

mini 😡

rain cedar
#

Pretty sure the fastest speed isn't 30

#

It's 5k while falling

copper nacelle
#

Superslides don't exist

#

Falling caps at 5k?

rain cedar
#

Yeah

hollow pier
#

it was sumwan AngryJack

cunning lagoon
hollow pier
rain cedar
#

Change it back

#

It's the truth

hollow pier
#

@ sumwan

ornate rivet
#

@lone rune

hazy sentinel
lone rune
#

let me see what's wrong here

rain cedar
#

You ruined a good joke is what's wrong

lone rune
#

oh ok

hazy sentinel
#

where's SMu2xA when you need it

fair rampart
#

they are sad that SoUnn is no longer epic meme gud for speedrun

lone rune
#

nah it was just bullshit tbh

#

the wiki still needs a lot of fixing

hollow pier
#

you don't say

rain cedar
#

It is bullshit yeah because the kind of people who edit wikis don't know shit

#

And that's hilarious

lone rune
#

really old text there that nobody looked at in a year

hazy sentinel
#

wow is this the whole wiki

lone rune
#

I edit the wiki and I try not to add anything until it's been confirmed 🤔

compact sedge
#

Can I just say in sumwan's defense a random tangent about speedrunning is bad

#

it's not objective at all

hollow pier
#

in the wiki's defense i did in fact use it once to figure out you could get the cpeak pale ore without wings

hazy sentinel
#

it's good because of its badness

compact sedge
#

honestly

#

some game wikis are absolute trash

#

but the worst one has to be by far salt and sanctuary

hollow pier
#

sean can you confirm

#

as former any% wr holder

#

is s&s wiki bad

rain cedar
#

It's ok

hazy sentinel
#

Law and Oro SVU

lone rune
#

anyway if you guys ever see something wrong with the wiki you can either edit it yourself, or ping me and I'll fix it

rain cedar
#

There's a lot of datamined info with no context

#

So it's useless to most people but good to look at for me

#

Salt wiki not hk

compact sedge
rain cedar
#

Ah yeah just ignore that crap

fair rampart
#

S&S magic builds > all other builds > daggers

rain cedar
#

I think for every category now it's magic

#

Wait no

hollow pier
rain cedar
#

Any% nmg is jaws still

hollow pier
rain cedar
#

Just don't stand on the sides

cunning lagoon
#

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hazy sentinel
#

why tf are people still joining Hive Knight

hollow pier
#

yeah, dreamshield should be mentioned in the tactics section. The thrown weapons are destroyed by the shield and make the fight significantly easier

rain cedar
#

Also block name guy: magic is good late game only

hazy sentinel
#

block name guy 😩

rain cedar
#

Unless you're using glitches

hollow pier
#

that is NATHAN AngryJack

fair rampart
#

Watching someone break out in laughter after melting Carsejaw with fire magic is great

rain cedar
#

Wildfire doesn't count in game balance though

#

Because it's literally a glitch

fair rampart
#

the boss didn't even get to attack

rain cedar
#

Yes that's every boss

#

When you use the glitch

#

It's very boring

fair rampart
#

what kind of glitch is that!?

#

it just makes a spell op

rain cedar
#

Correct

hollow pier
#

if you go to a wall and face away from it

#

something very fun happens

fair rampart
#

How did that make it to final release!?

rain cedar
#

I mean it's not always op

#

Use it yourself it sucks

#

Gotta do the glitch

#

There's only three spells worth using without glitches as far as I can remember

fair rampart
#

"go to a wall and face away from it"? What is this, Death's Gambit?

copper nacelle
#

nathan15

rain cedar
#

Dark reach > static geist > that other dark magic I don't remember the name of that homes

cunning lagoon
#

send

rain cedar
#

Then with the glitch it's wildfire >>>>>>>>>>>>> all

#

The runs used to have very varied builds but now it's all wildfire

#

It's a shame

hollow pier
#

when are you taking back your rightful 1st place

fair rampart
#

Is there a reason they made daggers so shit in S&S?

rain cedar
#

I don't know when I'll care about salt runs again, we'll see

#

Probably will at some point for sure

#

All bosses nmg is great except that mal is at the end

hollow pier
#

ah oui ça c'est mal

copper nacelle
#

çedilla

rain cedar
#

Baguette

copper nacelle
#

@ muri

fair rampart
#

mimes "Croissant" in French

copper nacelle
#

nathan15

fair rampart
#

😩

hollow pier
#

🥖 🏃 📹 🎮 ❕ 🥜 🦋 🚫 ⏺ notlikequirrel

hazy sentinel
#

Modding Idea
don't make mods and instead shitpost 24/7

cunning lagoon
#

who even forgets to record a run lmao

fair rampart
#

Mind

rain cedar
#

How did you decipher that so fast?

cunning lagoon
#

it's an easy one

copper nacelle
#

because it's muri

ornate rivet
#

I would love to make mods but 56 needs to finish his game of Risk first so he can make the FSMs less gay

hazy sentinel
#

french bread runner

rain cedar
#

Bread walk camera controller not not peanut butterfly circle quirrel

hollow pier
#

peanut butterfly was pb

#

genius i know

rain cedar
#

Yes I get that now

#

Only the double not and the circle make no sense

ornate rivet
#

I dont get it

hollow pier
#

the circle is record button

copper nacelle
#

the circle is record

#

double not is just emphasis I guess

rain cedar
#

Double not means yes though

copper nacelle
#

for ptkyr yes means no

#

easy

hazy sentinel
#

two wrongs don't make a right

hollow pier
#

there is that better

rain cedar
#

Not pb not record

#

But that's a lie

copper nacelle
#

not recorded

ornate rivet
#

Breado is speedrunning and recording himself and is suprised at the radiance but he stopped recording because of quirrel

rain cedar
#

But he's got not peanut butterfly

hollow pier
#

❕ is supposed to be surprised smh my head

rain cedar
#

It was a peanut butterfly

hazy sentinel
#

😮

#

parisian baker runs to buy video recording equipment and a steam controller to avoid nutting in the butterfly circle

mortal trout
weak lodge
#

wtf

fair rampart
#

Welcome to insanity, Knightmere

cunning lagoon
#

forgetting to start recording a run or something is one of my biggest fears

#

thankfully it has nevr happened

#

to me

#

imagine fighting infinite grimm for 6 hours and realizing at the end that you werent recording

weak lodge
#

happened to me twice, thankfully they were garbage runs and only level runs

hollow pier
#

i got an unrecorded gh rekky

cunning lagoon
#

i got an unrecorded any% nmg rekky

silk jetty
#

holy fuck all of mantis village is brooding mawleks

fair rampart
#

inb4 Mantis Lords teamup with Traitor Lord

silk jetty
#

I also had some traitor lords stuck to the ceiling of the mantis lords arena

fair rampart
#

that happens

#

For whatever reason, the Mantis Lords arena forces enemies into the ceiling

silk jetty
#

ah

hazy sentinel
#

i had some cloth stuck to traitor lord

silk jetty
#

okay

#

I almost softlocked myself

#

if I sat at the bench by MoP I would've been stuck

fair rampart
#

why?

silk jetty
#

because of collector being in the mantis lords room

#

since you can enter from above in rooms with the collector

#

but not from the sides

fair rampart
#

It's even worse from below

silk jetty
#

ah

#

from below do you fall forever?

fair rampart
#

you get trapped ontop of the level

#

And if a Collector scream knocks you into another room with a Collector, you get stuck in an endless loop of entering and exiting the rooms

silk jetty
#

ah

#

sounds fun

#

but you can alt+f4 out of that

fair rampart
#

What is different about Collector that makes their scream do that, but not others?

#

alt+f4 doesn't save

silk jetty
#

yeah

#

but it's better than having to reload a backup from being completely softlocked

fair rampart
#

tru

#

It's so weird that Soul Tyrant makes you fall thru the floor, and Collector knocks you back out of the room

cunning lagoon
#

na it dont

fair rampart
#

Btw, hope you can kill Broken Vessel before it starts spawning balloons

#

because you are in for a fun fight once the summons start

#

not

#

one

#

word

hollow pier
#

nathan16

fair rampart
#

technically 17

#

...

#

just search nathan15

copper nacelle
#

but they're image names

#

typGWjiangoOmegaLUL knGWjiangoOmegaLULwledge

hazy sentinel
copper nacelle
hazy sentinel
#

kinda sucks ass because there's no organization

cunning lagoon
#

😯

hollow pier
#

are typos the only reason you haven't muted the other channels

cunning lagoon
#

no he secretly enjoys reading them

fair rampart
#

how much does he enjoy them?

cunning lagoon
#

4 enjoy

civic hare
hollow pier
#

why it's just image spam to be tbh

civic hare
#

dont thonk me, did you see OilyPeppermintFishMan's amazing artwork

fair rampart
#

you can't spell "heart" without "art"

civic hare
#

*walks into gallery* this is just image spam to be tbh

hazy sentinel
#

send it u wont

cunning lagoon
#

it be

weak lodge
#

don't

rain cedar
#

Oh ok it's something alright

compact sedge
#

for a png that's a shitton of artifacts

weak lodge
floral furnace
#

artifact haha isnt the valve game

weak lodge
#

wow paint doesnt even have fucking layers

#

what trash

floral furnace
weak lodge
#

ik

#

u mean this

cunning lagoon
#

can confirm

floral furnace
#

see its even endorsed by DLKurosh™

weak lodge
#

oh shit

#

must use

#

holy shit cant wait for that graphics tablet drawing with mouse is shit

floral furnace
#

use a gamepad

weak lodge
#

use a steering wheel

fair rampart
#

use a wheel of dharma

#

hazy sentinel
#

use an etch-a-sketch

weak lodge
#

fuck that

copper nacelle
#

not until marriage sorry

weak lodge
#

doesnt matter im underage

cunning lagoon
#

you can't marry, you are 15!!!!!

compact sedge
#

56

#

can I just say

weak lodge
compact sedge
#

wait knightmere is 16 now

#

:radblush:

weak lodge
#

false

compact sedge
#

but also

cunning lagoon
#

he is 12

weak lodge
#

^

floral furnace
#

oh fuck i forogt bappy hirthday knightm- wait are you or are you not GWchadMEGATHINK

compact sedge
#

CLion is actually worse than kdevelop

#

also are you really 12

hazy sentinel
#

knightmere is 60±60

weak lodge
#

i am 12 trust kuro hes my blood father

floral furnace
#

use netbeans angle hollowface

weak lodge
#

use playmaker to scrip your bosses

compact sedge
#

if kuro's your blood father what does that make me?

floral furnace
#

his sister 😩

compact sedge
#

welp

#

you heard it here first

copper nacelle
#

wow kurosh gave birth to angle

#

incredible

weak lodge
#

gorgeous

hazy sentinel
weak lodge
#

urite

copper nacelle
#

15 yr old gives birth to 15 yr old and 12 yr old

#

incredible

weak lodge
#

incredibly sorry

cunning lagoon
#

15 yr old male gives birth to 15 yr old and 12 yr old*

weak lodge
#

by himself*

compact sedge
#

knight if ur legit you're young af

cunning lagoon
#

have you seen how he talks

weak lodge
#

im a fetus

cunning lagoon
#

hes obviously not older than 10'

silk jetty
#

I hate fighting soul tyrant with nail 1 no spells

compact sedge
#

older than 10 feet

cunning lagoon
#

older tan 10 minutes

weak lodge
#

^

compact sedge
#

touche

weak lodge
#

you mean 10 minutes after being conceived

hazy sentinel
#

haha it's funny because ' denotes arcminutes

cunning lagoon
#

shut up verulean

hazy sentinel
#

run hk at a reasonable framerate dlk

cunning lagoon
#

i fucking wish

weak lodge
#

haha why whishing

#

h

compact sedge
#

hey knight what if I was 15

weak lodge
#

then it wouldnt be considered pedophilia

hazy sentinel
#

i mean if ur going to uni at 15 why tf would you choose ucla

compact sedge
#

is that a threat or a promise?

weak lodge
compact sedge
#

how many maggots do you have 56

copper nacelle
#

3 but i can get more

#

i mean 3 of maggot

#

more if you count ax2uMS and such

weak lodge
#

you can have a smany as you like once you have the image just create 10 seperate servers

hazy sentinel
#

just create 1 server with 50 maggot emotes

weak lodge
#

oh yea

copper nacelle
#

i was just gonna put them in my divider server

weak lodge
#

do that x 10

#

ok guys

#

done

cunning lagoon
#

ur gonna have a bad time

weak lodge
cunning lagoon
#

mod abue

hazy sentinel
weak lodge
#

i have already though

#

clip studio is ps

#

what do you mean

#

i actually dont have CPS but yes pirating is likely

#

just realized the sans thk in mspaint is the first piece of art ive done in a month

#

what a champ

silk jetty
#

fuck yea I finally beat Soul Tyrant with nail 1 and no spells

rain cedar
#

CPS

#

Nice acronym

#

I can tell from context what you mean but that acronym is taken, you can't have it

#

It's child protective services

compact sedge
#

photoshop CS3 was the first and last art program I ever bought

copper nacelle
#

wow nice

#

knightmere2

#

it's supposed to be csp

rain cedar
#

Clisp tudio

#

Only way csp works

compact sedge
#

Clit spudio

copper nacelle
#

but it's clip studio paint

tranquil glen
cunning lagoon
#

nutty

weak lodge
#

clit studio ultimate edition

#

sorry i mean

#

producer edition

hollow pier
#

watch me forget to pfloat

cunning lagoon
copper nacelle
#

what the fuck

floral iris
#

hey you know how everyone talks about how the game world is made by a grid of 64x64 squares? does there happen to be an easily accessible version of the map as just that?

rain cedar
#

Delete everything that isn't a black box and screenshot it

#

You could probably automate this process pretty easily

floral iris
#

hm.

#

you're right, i probably could, if i had any modding experience 😬

#

i mean in principle that sounds easy but i would't even know where to start lol

rain cedar
#

It's not like any of us modders started out with experience modding hk

#

A good start point is looking at the structure of other simple mods

floral iris
#

that's true. i might actually start getting into modding over the winter break, since ive been kinda wanting to.

#

i've got a document going with a ton of ideas, almost none of which seem plausible to make cryla

rain cedar
#

Some stuff that sounds plausible isn't and vice versa as well

#

The absolute worst idea anyone has said in here regarding realism is a combined ori/hk randomizer similar to the lttp super metroid one

#

So just don't be worse than that and you're good

copper nacelle
#

hk multiplayer

trim totem
#

anyone making a mod

rain cedar
#

More possible than hk/ori rando easily