archived-modding-development

[weak lodge]

What

[leaden hedge]

thats a nice reaper

[floral furnace]

haha thats a paladins champ right

[weak lodge]

u mean the guy from Dota 2

[floral furnace]

you mispelled heroes of newerth

[weak lodge]

You lack the ability to spell hyper light hammerwatch

Ttacco sad our schedules don’t match that well

I’m about to commit sleep

Also before I go iconoclasts or crosscode

[floral furnace]

sean its ur time to promote 🅱conoclast

[weak lodge]

Shh Sean isn’t here

Yet

[floral furnace]

crosscode it is then

[leaden hedge]

go commit not awake

[weak lodge]

thank you for the motivation

[leaden hedge]

play deaths gambito

[weak lodge]

Heard it wasn’t as good as it was hyped up to be

[floral furnace]

truely is the dark souls of hollow knights of salt and santuaries

[weak lodge]

Tbh chasm is the best soulsike

[floral furnace]

really makes you think

[leaden hedge]

chasm sucks

[floral furnace]

obligatory proc gen

[rain cedar]

If anyone else wants to be able to type scene names that throw a compiler error if you misspell them I finally got the regex right to make this https://pastebin.com/21PjAbm4

[weak lodge]

Alright I’ll talk politics tomorrow gnitt Ttacco

[leaden hedge]

can you make a class that gets them by reflection using the name of the variable as a string

[floral furnace]

yeah you better run gnite

[rain cedar]

It's just constants idk the usefulness of reflection on them

And reflection is runtime too so less useful imo

[leaden hedge]

the joke is then it'd just be the same as it was before

if you had the string correct to find it, then you have the string 🤔

[blissful burrow]

Sean 56 just said he wants to softlock to check that bullshit you posted

Can you like not

[rain cedar]

Yeah I'm in the stream I hear it

[blissful burrow]

He's already bad enough without fucking up on purpose

[rain cedar]

It's not even that interesting idk why he wants to see it so badly

Oh the WorldNavigation class doesn't have anything from godmaster at all in it

Serves me right for expecting TC to not suck at maintaining their shit

Now I need more constants

nameof is fucking godlike

Idk why I'm just now realizing this

[buoyant obsidian]

what's that do?

[rain cedar]

It's a fake function

The compiler turns nameof(whatever) into "whatever"

so

nameof(PlayerData.salubraNotch1) -> "salubraNotch1"

It's just a way of having compile time errors on strings

[copper nacelle]

I wish nameof did private fields too

[cunning lagoon]

i wish 56 finished a run 😔

[rain cedar]

He tried

That's something

Not much but something

[hollow pier]

in some alternate reality 56 grabbed the geo

[cunning lagoon]

then died to uumuu

[hollow pier]

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

how far do you think ill make it into glass soul 106% before quitting

[hollow pier]

any fury

[cunning lagoon]

virgin fury vs chad 2 lb masks

[copper nacelle]

get joni's

[hollow pier]

have fun with the slowest fk ever

or pray for good rocks

[copper nacelle]

and lb heart

[cunning lagoon]

fk is almos t the same what

colo is really my biggest (read: only) concern

[copper nacelle]

what about sanctum

[cunning lagoon]

shit u right

well colo and snctum

[copper nacelle]

what about hive

[hollow pier]

slowest run in existence

[cunning lagoon]

hive isnt thatg bad

nuts

flower quest will be the worst

[hollow pier]

?partner=eastsidelag

or something

[cunning lagoon]

aight lets see how this goes

[buoyant obsidian]

https://www.humblebundle.com/?partner=eastsidelag

[cunning lagoon]

wtf you summoned him

[hollow pier]

yo i was right

a true 753 fan

[buoyant obsidian]

I'm honored

[cunning lagoon]

i can already feel the game running like shit

i hate 1221

[hollow pier]

that's why you just play rando

[copper nacelle]

do glass soul + qol 1432

and just do 106 anyways

[cunning lagoon]

then it wouldnt be 106 would it

[buoyant obsidian]

Glass Soul is so last year

[cunning lagoon]

shut up nerd

glass soul is hip now

my favourite stream,er VysuaLsTV playewd it

no collectgor scream skip 😔

[buoyant obsidian]

wait a streamer played it? :o

in 2018?

got a link?

[copper nacelle]

twitch.tv/vysualstv

he wants to bop fireb0rn in glass soul

[cunning lagoon]

ok tbf menu drops in 1221 are infinitely better than cp

than the qol ones rather

can you somehow remove the lag frames btew

56

[copper nacelle]

idk

[cunning lagoon]

would be cool

should i count my deaths

[buoyant obsidian]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

Ok

well i made it to hornet deathless and i got the softlock

what a game

[silk jetty]

when I try to load enemy randomizer my game crashes when it gets to 94% loaded

[cunning lagoon]

you need more ram

[silk jetty]

what room is 94% even

huh, my memory only gets to 88% then

when it's normally around 50%

[leaden hedge]

download more ram

[ornate rivet]

wtf why does she leave the arena

[cunning lagoon]

scroll down a bit i posted another one

[ornate rivet]

but whyyyy

[floral furnace]

greymournerirl

[ornate rivet]

all I am doing is setting her set as set idle and changing the state's action so that it stays in that state for 3 seconds

I can fix the video where she leaves the room but I have no clue how to fix the second video

does it happen every time you hit her before she changes phases?

[cunning lagoon]

dont think so

[ornate rivet]

ok then I have no clue

[cunning lagoon]

cant you just force her to be at those coordinates

[ornate rivet]

yea that's why I can fix the problem in the first video

but the second videos shows her messing up after the transition

[cunning lagoon]

o

hedrack also posted one where she just flew away

[ornate rivet]

that's from the last version, no?

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[ornate rivet]

so that doesn't matter anymore

Are the pauses any good in phase 3 kurosh?

[cunning lagoon]

yea

i still think bees are beyond broken

also did you nerf the bats or are they bugged

[ornate rivet]

what's wrong with them

I thought I made them harder

[cunning lagoon]

she shoots 2 but one of them stays at her height so you just jump over it

and the other one goes down

[ornate rivet]

they should be doing a spiral pattern, first they separate from each other then they join back in

[cunning lagoon]

kinda like that

[ornate rivet]

it should be like this

can you record a video of it when you get the chance to?

[cunning lagoon]

https://youtu.be/90U4LYI9cis

[ornate rivet]

wtf yea that should not happen

can I see your .dll file?

[cunning lagoon]

it's the last one you pinged me with

[ornate rivet]

huh

weird they work for me

[floral furnace]

🅱ersion mismatch

[ornate rivet]

I am using the version he sent

[floral furnace]

weird

[cunning lagoon]

uhh

weird

[ornate rivet]

actually this is still not what's supposed to happen but it's still different from what you are getting
https://streamable.com/cy4ds

[cunning lagoon]

could it be a save file thing?

give it a shot just in case

[ornate rivet]

I'll test that out but maybe it's because I am using Update() instead of FixedUpdate() to control the physical properties of the bats

lol using that savefile without recording made it work perfectly
It's definitely because I am not using FixedUpdate() then because I think the lag/game speed is changing the outcome

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[ornate rivet]

@cunning lagoon
Try this

I tested it with 10 youtube videos open and it still worked

[cunning lagoon]

aight ill check it out in a while

[eternal bobcat]

Is 32 GB RaM EnoUgH To RUn An EneMy rAnDomizEr MoD????!????

[cunning lagoon]

i love dashmaster now

[floral furnace]

glad you finally know what a good charm is

[cunning lagoon]

no it's shit and downdashing is a bad mechanic

but i like it

[leaden hedge]

whens updash in vanilla

[floral furnace]

but saying you hate downdashing is like saying "i like pizza except for the pineapple" and thats the best part of it

🤔

legit down dashing is really good, not counting the 20 times i dashed down midway the path of pain and i had to restart just to get rid of it

[leaden hedge]

saying you hate downdashing is like saying "I like living except the being alive part" and thats the worst part of it

[cunning lagoon]

pogoing shoudl refresh your dash cooldown

then i could ditch dashmaster forever with no remorse

[floral furnace]

yeah but

you get to wear sans as a charm

isnt that a good enough incentive

[leaden hedge]

wow

it made living even worse

[cunning lagoon]

it do be like that

[floral furnace]

also legit i cant get rid of it anymore once i added sprintmaster

sharp shadow is a 2nd must have

[cunning lagoon]

real shit i enjoy the being able to dash a lot element of dashmaster

been using it a lot more often now that i get it on randos and whatnot

[floral furnace]

would it be an unpopular opinion if i said base game dashing speed shouldve been like that

or would that be a bit too op

[cunning lagoon]

and im more than used to not downdashing because of pop

[leaden hedge]

it makes you marginally faster

[cunning lagoon]

so i actually like jkit

[floral furnace]

jkit

[cunning lagoon]

it would be beyond op

[floral furnace]

no dash cooldown is the best

[cunning lagoon]

i wouldn't be against it though

but pogos should actually refresh your dash cooldown

[floral furnace]

well maybe not as fast, but imo vanilla should be a bit faster

[cunning lagoon]

it feels so sluggish to pogo and not be able to dash for like

how much is it

maybe .5s?

[floral furnace]

oh yeah i love seeing other players just dash pogo dash pogo dash pogo

makes the game look alot faster

[cunning lagoon]

yeah it just feels much nicer to play

everything is so smooth when you can just dash through everything

[ornate rivet]

even better with sprintmaster

[ornate rivet]

Use this one when you test, I fixed a few things in it

Oh yea Kurosh can you tell me if the new transition looks better or the old one where she was in the air

[fair rampart]

Why are steam forums so stupid

https://steamcommunity.com/app/367520/discussions/0/1745605598716042409/

[floral furnace]

steam forums

see theres your problem right there to begin with

[fair rampart]

There's 4 of these stupid things from the same user on the first page of the forum

[floral furnace]

i mean its better than "fuck this game is the laziest piece of shit i hope the devs die in eternal flames and anguish while their children gets totured" etc etc

[weak lodge]

That’s a nice profile picture ya got there kuro

[cunning lagoon]

is this a repost now

[weak lodge]

My question is should I join the Santa hat gang

[mortal trout]

no

[weak lodge]

True Santa doesn’t exist ha bet y’all didn’t know what 😎

Edgy started the Santa hat gang iirc

Edgy May I join

[mortal trout]

[weak lodge]

Yes for once in my life I ask you permission for something 🤔

[mortal trout]

hmmm

[young walrus]

@copper nacelle if I wanted to take that pure knight mod and compile it separately, how would I do that. I want to use that white cloak in randos

[copper nacelle]

copy the sprite changing code and sprites

re-add the sprites as embedded resources

there's code in Initialize which gets the sprites

[young walrus]

What program do I need to decompile the lightbringer dll

[copper nacelle]

You don't need to decompile lightbringer

But dnSpy

[young walrus]

Kk

[cunning lagoon]

speaking of which

pure knight when

[young walrus]

It's part of lightbringer

So I wanna separate it

[cunning lagoon]

pure knight is a different one that papers made

i think aeraloth made the lightbringer sprites?

[young walrus]

Oh. Dunno what that is

[cunning lagoon]

cant find the sprites

[cunning lagoon]

does hitting revek with a nail art count for the parry reke 3 times goal

[hollow pier]

does it parry

[cunning lagoon]

i dont think so but he goes away for like 5 seconds as if you had parried hiom

[hollow pier]

that happens if you hit or parry

and you can hit but not parry with just nail

i think hitting counts

[cunning lagoon]

so this would count?

[hollow pier]

probably

ask mick

[cunning lagoon]

yo do you know what the shrine of b elievers is

i didnt know this shit was in the game rofl

[copper nacelle]

yes

you know the relic

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i just entered it

[copper nacelle]

go to the top left

yes

[young walrus]

Then smack keins totem

[cunning lagoon]

D:

mick can you hit revek with a nail art for the parry 3 times glal

also how do you get the use city crest goal if ther is no gate

[copper nacelle]

it only disappears from the right iirc

[cunning lagoon]

definitely not the case

[young walrus]

It disappears if you have it

I just go to the spot as if it were there

So if coming from the right, gotta have dive

And I'd count nail art parries I suppose

Wasn't what was intended, but don't see why not

[cunning lagoon]

aight

ty

[mortal trout]

you're welcome

[cunning lagoon]

no you're

[silk jetty]

I still don't get why Enemy Randomizer can't get past 94% loaded without crashing my game

my RAM only gets up to like 80-90%

[copper nacelle]

vram

[silk jetty]

is there any way to see my vram usage?

I know how to see my vram overall amount

[young walrus]

i have no idea what I'm looking at here with visual studio and dnspy

okay nvm. had the wrong dnspy build

now to find the code that initiates the sprite sheet

[rain cedar]

What are you trying to do?

[young walrus]

trying to separate the white cloaked sprite sheet from lightbringer

and probably change the sprite sheet as well so there's different color options for rando

[rain cedar]

That's not code it's just in resources

[young walrus]

but i want a separate mod

[rain cedar]

You need unity studio not dnspy

[copper nacelle]

But it's not in resources

[young walrus]

I found the sprite sheet

using dnspy to decompile lightbringer

[rain cedar]

Oh right lightbringer isn't an assembly mod anymore

Carry on

[copper nacelle]

Why are you using dnSpy

https://github.com/5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lightbringer

[young walrus]

cuz i didn't have the source

[weak lodge]

well coded game

[silk jetty]

nice

[still lake]

Would there be any way i can mod the switch version of hollow knight?

[young walrus]

No

[still lake]

Thank you

[rain cedar]

https://youtu.be/3cx8dpkpx5c 😩

[hazy sentinel]

@copper nacelle pls add to QoL for us PC gamers

[mortal trout]

what's the joke i don't get it

[rain cedar]

@dark wigeon Crash when trying to open any of the charm_show_if_collected FSMs in Menu_Title

On the most recent version

[ornate rivet]

is that windows 7

[rain cedar]

Yes

I guess the good thing about this not being a mod is I can just debug it in visual studio and see exactly where it crashes

Nevermind I can't even get it to run at all in visual studio

Because AssetTools.NET is AMD64

This library doesn't even exist wtf

Only 3 results

Oh wait I didn't look at the first result enough I thought it was just the fsm viewer repo

[ornate rivet]

When I have hornet shooting a bunch of needles all at once, a random gap between some of the needles appears, will using FixedUpdate() instead of Update() fix this?

[rain cedar]

Probably

[ornate rivet]

ok

[copper nacelle]

if you put it as Release | x64 it runs

otherwise it dies

[rain cedar]

I recompiled AssetTools.NET

Incredible

I'll try what you said

I don't get the line it died on in release but at least I get the actual error

It's something

[copper nacelle]

Oh yeah

I had the fix for that in the old zip I pinned

I just replaced _ with space or something

[rain cedar]

It worked in Debug | x64

[copper nacelle]

nice

[rain cedar]

It dies with spaces too

If I had to guess it doesn't like starting with numbers

Yep that worked

[copper nacelle]

nice

[young walrus]

is the example mod still around?

[fair rampart]

**Example Mods**

Example mods can be found here

[copper nacelle]

I think Saleh said they don't fully work

[rain cedar]

It gives the general structure

[young walrus]

well I'm just trying to learn how to do this stuff

I just need the structure

[rain cedar]

Basically just inherit from Mod and treat Initialize as your constructor

[dark wigeon]

You can completely remove the Name field as it's not being used anymore

[copper nacelle]

Wow nice

[dark wigeon]

Also it's in x64 because there were a bunch of out of memory exceptions which aren't really a problem unless you're modding a game which uses a 4gb resources.assets file like subn

[ornate rivet]

Graig test DoH mod or switch to offline

[copper nacelle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[dark wigeon]

Oh and the repo for assetstools hasn't been updated with the new assethelper thing I added for the fsmviewer so that's why you see those errors.

[rain cedar]

Righto

[ornate rivet]

oh wow he did go offline

now I feel bad

[copper nacelle]

gj

[young walrus]

k I dunno what I'm doing now. lol

I think I've isolated the code sections I need, though I know I have extra shit still. But I dunno how to debug and build this project into one dll

[rain cedar]

You just set the output type as class library and build

These two are important

[young walrus]

how'd you even get that screen

or to have it all be one project?

I think mine's fucked

[rain cedar]

Yeah idk how you would even have multiple projects

Sounds fucked

But you just right click the project and click properties

[copper nacelle]

VS Code

❌

[young walrus]

i don't need this lightbringer shit anymore

[rain cedar]

Can you even compile in vs code?

[young walrus]

cuz the open editor is the saved version

[rain cedar]

I don't think you can

[copper nacelle]

If you have the C# plugin you can but I don't remember how

[rain cedar]

You want VS Community 2017

[copper nacelle]

^

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/

[young walrus]

important info tbh

[rain cedar]

Also the UsedImplicitly thing is just for a plugin that you probably don't have

[young walrus]

like i said.... I know i have extra shit

[rain cedar]

And using Jetbrains.Annotations

[young walrus]

and I know about what 2% of this is

[rain cedar]

The proper VS is pretty good about telling you what's unused

[young walrus]

what workload builds do i want

for VS

[rain cedar]

I don't remember what that means

Send a screenshot of the installer

[copper nacelle]

.NET desktop development

[rain cedar]

Yeah just the first one

[young walrus]

anything else over here?

[copper nacelle]

No

[young walrus]

i've seen y'all talk about 4.7 or something

[rain cedar]

The Unity in HK needs 3.5

[copper nacelle]

You want .NET 3.5 but the VS installer doesn't have it

[rain cedar]

I use 4.7.1 for other projects though

[copper nacelle]

https://www.microsoft.com/net/download/thank-you/net35-sp1

[dawn oxide]

so what will the level editor be capable of?
like in terms of aesthetics specifically

[dawn oxide]

oo
gotcha

[rain cedar]

Going between 3.5 and 4.7.1 is weird

For the most part I don't notice anything

But there's just odd functions missing here and there from 3.5

Like Enum.TryParse doesn't exist which is a pain in the ass

[dark wigeon]

Yeah I agree with tryparse, it's the one thing that annoys me when trying to port assets tools to 3.5 for unity

I can copy and paste a function for it but still annoying

[rain cedar]

It would be fine if you could make static extension methods

Which would be a compiler feature so it could work backwards to 3.5

Idk why that's not a thing

[copper nacelle]

Iirc it was cause they added extension methods because of LINQ

and LINQ didn't need static extension methods

so they didn't bother bc more dev time and stuff

[dark wigeon]

Also I thought the newer versions of unity were supposed to be .net 4 but the editor is still 3.5 or something?

[copper nacelle]

2018.1 should allow 4.7.1

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2018/03/28/updated-scripting-runtime-in-unity-2018-1-what-does-the-future-hold/

[dark wigeon]

What about hk's editor which is like 2017.1 or .2 or something

[copper nacelle]

Experimental support for .NET 4.6

[dark wigeon]

Hm ok

[young walrus]

okay. this program looks much better

will it even build?
lol

anybody want to save a drowning Mick and screen share? lol

[rain cedar]

Yeah alright

Good chance to procrastinate on homework

[young walrus]

I have no C# experience, so I'm just lost

I don't know the syntax

[hollow pier]

sean find the spliced runs folder

[rain cedar]

Just call me whenever

[rain cedar]

Hey I improved on the thing mick posted a lot

It's togglable now and loads images from a folder called CustomKnight instead of embedded resources

I also fixed the ridiculous time it took to load textures

[copper nacelle]

how

[rain cedar]

@young walrus for whenever you're up

It's magic

I'll push it to git and you can look at it

[copper nacelle]

okay

[cunning lagoon]

pog

btw dreamers still dont hardsave you

[young walrus]

So the images are just pulled from externally then?

That's what sped it up?

[rain cedar]

Nah I did some wacky shit with the www class

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.CustomKnight

[copper nacelle]

Does it actually load faster w/ WWW or does it just load in the background

[rain cedar]

I expected the second one but it actually loads in like 1-2 seconds

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[rain cedar]

Oh I have some redundancies with declaring the WWWs

Because I had the stuff in a try/catch and deleted that

Oh well

But yeah this mod is pretty cool because you can even do stuff like change the images then turn it off/on and it updates

[copper nacelle]

nice

[young walrus]

Just need to make more sprite sheets now

And select which one is active

[rain cedar]

Is InvertKnight a shader or another texture?

[copper nacelle]

texture

i mean neither

[rain cedar]

Then you could use this for that instead

[copper nacelle]

It modifies the texture at runtime

doesn't load it

[rain cedar]

Neato

[copper nacelle]

Wait wtf

Why is this faster

[rain cedar]

Idk

Unity

It's so much faster though

[copper nacelle]

ahh

[leaden hedge]

www does use c++

1-2 seconds is still extremely slow

[copper nacelle]

but this is their load function

which does the same thing i do

is reading from embedded resources just garbage

[rain cedar]

1-2 seconds is slow but the other way is like 20+

[copper nacelle]

^

wait i should try non-readable

[leaden hedge]

loading an array of bytes should have no decompression

and take like <40ms

[rain cedar]

Unity is bad yes

This isn't news to anyone

[leaden hedge]

99% of the work thats doing is decompressing png files

[copper nacelle]

when I swapped lightbringer to textures I dumped using Texture2D's raw image thing it ended up loading in the same time

[rain cedar]

Does the mod installer have support for putting extra shit in the zip?

[copper nacelle]

yes i think so

[leaden hedge]

maybe embed resources suck

[rain cedar]

It just puts websocket-sharp in the Mods folder though, right?

Or like Managed idk

[copper nacelle]

Yeah

It puts all dlls in the Mods folder

[rain cedar]

Can I make it put it in a custom spot?

For the images

[copper nacelle]

Idk

[rain cedar]

Ok whatever it's probably not a feature

Cue people asking what CustomKnight is because installing it does nothing

[copper nacelle]

Wait I just realized I might have left something terrible in lightbringer

[buoyant obsidian]

are you writing files to peoples computers?

[copper nacelle]

perhaps

[trim totem]

56 reveals he put a virus in lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

I don't know if the drive one has it

[buoyant obsidian]

Lightbringer is malware?

[trim totem]

how far we have fallen

[buoyant obsidian]

Forkbombbringer

[copper nacelle]

Okay I didn't leave that in the dll

That's nice

[rain cedar]

Tfw InvertKnight obsolete

[copper nacelle]

ui

[rain cedar]

Oh it inverts UI too?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[rain cedar]

Not completely obsolete then

[young walrus]

Lol

[rain cedar]

[copper nacelle]

[young walrus]

Can't you just apply certain color shaders to the sprite sheets?

Like.... Make it all hot pink

[rain cedar]

Yeah I guess you could

[leaden hedge]

nah

sprites don't like multiple shaders

[young walrus]

It'd just be one

[leaden hedge]

and replacing the shader does weird stuff for some reason

[young walrus]

We have the white sprite sheet

So any color shader on that would change the cloak and face

[leaden hedge]

it already has a shader to render the sprites

although it might have an _Color variable

[young walrus]

So I'll throw one on in photo editing program. But then you'd have to keep a ton of sheets

[buoyant obsidian]

If you want to make it all pink

just delete the shader

[leaden hedge]

when I tried replacing the shader so I could do mask based colour replacement, tk2d just shit the bed

and rendered random places instead of the correct sprites

[buoyant obsidian]

You probably can't replace shaders unless they have the exact same properties

make a new material from the shader and replace the material

[leaden hedge]

I don't think you can even do sprite.material.shader = shader2

I think you have to replace materials

[buoyant obsidian]

yeah it wouldn't really make sense to

[leaden hedge]

I blame tk2d anyway

probably doing weird stuff with uv coords

[copper nacelle]

What the fuck I made the loading instant

[buoyant obsidian]

computers man

Hollow Knight mod makes game run on quantum level, infinite FPS

[copper nacelle]

No I mean it legit takes <.25s

[buoyant obsidian]

56 wins nobel prize

[copper nacelle]

I had a Log

I removed it

And now it loads super fast

????????????

[leaden hedge]

compiler was probably adding extra stuff that it didn't need

[copper nacelle]

I'm gonna try changing it back until it's slow

Okay it's not the log

It's marking it readable

If you make the texture readable unity fucking dies

[rain cedar]

Best effect

[copper nacelle]

Same

[leaden hedge]

oh actually btw, if you do want to run shaders on the knights sprites

you can just do Graphics.Blit

its only for dumb stuff like a rainbow cape where you'd need an actual shader running constantly on it

[copper nacelle]

It loads the images in 319ms

40 seconds => 319ms

by making something false

[leaden hedge]

too bad shader replacement doesn't work FeelsBadMan

[copper nacelle]

Wait at this point just loading InvertKnight sprites would be faster

that's kinda depressing

[leaden hedge]

weren't you using a cpu method to invert them

[copper nacelle]

Yes

[leaden hedge]

ye obivously that'd be slow

[copper nacelle]

Wait how would you use a shader w/ Graphics.Blit

[leaden hedge]

public static void Blit(Texture source, RenderTexture dest, Material mat);

[copper nacelle]

oh

I was just using Texture source, RenderTexture dest

Time to swap to shaders

[rain cedar]

This is actually unironically kinda cool looking

[leaden hedge]

i told you this when you were doing invert knight

[copper nacelle]

yes

[leaden hedge]

you could do it in like 0 seconds with a material in graphics.blit

[young walrus]

Dude. I'd play with shit like that

[trim totem]

i don't like it

[rain cedar]

Sorry

[copper nacelle]

Sean try knight.textureNonReadable

and watch your load times halve

[trim totem]

make it blue

56 hacker boy

[copper nacelle]

at least now people won't complain about lightbringer killing their game because they can't wait 30s

pog

[rain cedar]

I made it black and white and I like it a lot

Just like the noise skins in lethal league

[cunning lagoon]

send picture

[copper nacelle]

^

[rain cedar]

Oh that's a shit picture there's a foreground thing

Whatever

[copper nacelle]

looks cool

[trim totem]

wtf where is this

[young walrus]

Affects nail slash too right?

[rain cedar]

Yeah everything on the spritesheet

[cunning lagoon]

game knowledge

[copper nacelle]

Queen's gardens

[young walrus]

Naisu

[trim totem]

like where specifically

[cunning lagoon]

afrter marmu

[trim totem]

i never noticed that giant plant

[leaden hedge]

actually Graphics.Blit is apparently not that slow to do realtime

[cunning lagoon]

ah yes the giant plant is what gives it away

[leaden hedge]

so I guess you could actually do it

[copper nacelle]

do what

shaders?

[leaden hedge]

run a shader on the outputed sprite

[copper nacelle]

pog

ok but actually why the fuck is nonReadable 340ms while readable is 40s

[young walrus]

Because illiteracy is bliss

[buoyant obsidian]

https://discord.gg/9Qaevj

There's a server for shaders if you're super interested KDT

may or may not be relevant to what you're doing

[leaden hedge]

I know how to make shaders, its more that for somereason tk2d wouldn't play nice

[copper nacelle]

KDT you said shader forge is good for starting out right

[leaden hedge]

yeah its fine

hmmm

[copper nacelle]

you were right dds is god

now that it doesn't take 40 years dds makes a difference of 200ms just changing one image

ty

[cunning lagoon]

np

[copper nacelle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[leaden hedge]

that guys an imposter

im the real dlkurosh

[cunning lagoon]

no me

any removing lag frames on opening menu

[rain cedar]

no

[copper nacelle]

no

[cunning lagoon]

wtf rude

[leaden hedge]

oh btw if you're doing stuff with shaders you need to do Application.version and find that on this page https://unity3d.com/get-unity/download/archive

and apparently you need to compile your shaders twice, once on windows and once on linux/mac

[copper nacelle]

ic

thanks

[leaden hedge]

they stopped putting both HLSL and GLSL shaders in at some point and only do whatever that platform uses

[copper nacelle]

😩

[leaden hedge]

that is sub 40ms

[copper nacelle]

yes

that's the point

it's great

[leaden hedge]

the only reason you need to find the specific version btw, is because unity messed with shaders in assetbundles a bunch of times so it ruined compatibility

[copper nacelle]

nice

why

[leaden hedge]

looks good

[cunning lagoon]

i mean what

[copper nacelle]

png still works ig

[leaden hedge]

what format did you save it as

[copper nacelle]

dds

[leaden hedge]

DXT1 / DXT5 / BC7 ?

[copper nacelle]

DXT1

[leaden hedge]

well thats why you have no transparency

[copper nacelle]

o

i thought 1 bit was off/on

[leaden hedge]

oh

yeah i remember

save it as dxt5, and get rid of the first 128bytes

[copper nacelle]

Wtf

lmao

[leaden hedge]

assuming you're using LoadRawTextureData

[copper nacelle]

I was using LoadImage

I'll swap

[cunning lagoon]

if i made the thing toi skip the overcharm animation would youn add it to wol

[copper nacelle]

it's 1 line

so sure ig

[cunning lagoon]

ok

[cunning lagoon]

what if i somehow managed to remove the lag frames when opening menu

unless its intentional in which case u have the dumb

[copper nacelle]

i just changed the conditions where you can open the menu

[rain cedar]

You could probably fix the lag frames by changing the dumb pd stuff to cache the reflection

Maybe not

The problem is it's running a bunch of string comparisons from the mod pd hooks

I guess I could put all mine into a switch

Should get optimized into a hashtable and run way faster

[cunning lagoon]

pog

[copper nacelle]

I tried to override GetBoolInternal and now I have float

[rain cedar]

Nice

[copper nacelle]

Same

[rain cedar]

The worst I've fucked up the player was pfloat with airwalk and no collision

[copper nacelle]

nice

[cunning lagoon]

wow you found simple key skip

[copper nacelle]

4 soul vessels

[rain cedar]

Happened when I left via noclip while loading in I think

[copper nacelle]

Oh I've had that happen too

With savestates

[rain cedar]

Very nice

[copper nacelle]

I think it was when I loaded a state while dead

zote

Ok this is highly ascended

[rain cedar]

How did you fuck it up this badly?

[copper nacelle]

I have grimm's tent, elderbug looking at it

But also elderbug w/ the flower

And Nymm

[rain cedar]

Are you just like always returning true?

[copper nacelle]

Idk

        [UsedImplicitly]
        public static int GetIntInternal(string @int)
        {
            return PlayerData.instance.GetAttr<int>(@int);
        }

        [UsedImplicitly]
        public static bool GetBoolInternal(string @bool)
        {
            return PlayerData.instance.GetAttr<bool>(@bool);
        }

[rain cedar]

Idk what any of this is

[copper nacelle]

I detoured the functions to the other two functions

but it doesn't work

[rain cedar]

What is GetAttr?

[copper nacelle]

extension method for this

[rain cedar]

I guess it doesn't work

[copper nacelle]

But I use this like everywhere in lightbringer

[rain cedar]

Check if it's supposed to have some side effect

[copper nacelle]

The detour is fucked

My functions never run

[rain cedar]

Does GetMethod look for static stuff or just instance?

[copper nacelle]

shit

return this.GetMethodImpl(name, BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Static | BindingFlags.Public,

[rain cedar]

Idk what GetMethodImpl is

[copper nacelle]

It's what the other GetMethod calls too i think

[rain cedar]

Ok

[copper nacelle]

Ok GetAttr is throwing

Oh I know why

[rain cedar]

Why?

[copper nacelle]

I think it should be nullable

[rain cedar]

The return value?

[copper nacelle]

No the generic param

[rain cedar]

Can a generic param even be null?

[copper nacelle]

I can do int?

[rain cedar]

Oh I see what you mean

I thought you meant like T?

[copper nacelle]

o

[rain cedar]

Which I'm almost 100% sure wouldn't compile

[copper nacelle]

Why

[rain cedar]

Idk git gud

[copper nacelle]

The actual fuck

[INFO]:int: System.ArgumentException: invalid utf-16 sequence at 14087020 (missing surrogate head) Parameter name: string

Just trying to log them throws

Oh

You need an instance variable

It works now

and no inventory lag

[rain cedar]

Makes sense

Uncached reflection hundreds of times tends to be slow

[copper nacelle]

Should I put this in SkipCutscenes or what

cmm inventory lag is a cutscene

[cunning lagoon]

speedbroke imo

[rain cedar]

Just modify it directly in the function for api tbh

[copper nacelle]

Understandable

but that's like effort

[rain cedar]

It's not gonna break anything and nobody will complain or want it disabled

[copper nacelle]

true

[cunning lagoon]

also i think you should be able to see what dash slash is without having to buy it

like every other shop

[rain cedar]

Effort

[cunning lagoon]

fair

[copper nacelle]

for now i'm just going to leave it in cutscenes cause effort and not even put it on the drive

kurosh

[cunning lagoon]

[rain cedar]

😩

It's actually probably not that much effort

[cunning lagoon]

jfc this is so great

[copper nacelle]

Yeah I copy paste two functions

[rain cedar]

There's already a yes/no prompt in the scene

[copper nacelle]

oh that

😩

[rain cedar]

Yeah I already know for sure that putting it in api is like .2 effort

[copper nacelle]

yes

[rain cedar]

It's probably a good idea to cache a yes/no prompt on mod load for other stuff

But there isn't one in kings pass

I cache five things and they're all from kings pass

That room has a lot of stuff in it

[cunning lagoon]

[rain cedar]

I mean loading another scene would like double the mod load time

It's not noot to want to avoid it

[copper nacelle]

When I put in the reflection caching should I leave the extension methods or no

[rain cedar]

Nah that's gonna cause ambiguity errors in mods

Would suck

[copper nacelle]

urite

[rain cedar]

I should remake more fsm as components

[copper nacelle]

Make the inspect prompt for the item be the item name

Easy

[rain cedar]

But then you don't get to see it if you have too little geo

[copper nacelle]

fuck

[rain cedar]

I might try to fully remake the shiny items again

Would make this a lot easier

And it should be way easier now with the good fsm viewer

[cunning lagoon]

which benches are the ones that don't save if you don't have certain items?

only waterways and basin?

[rain cedar]

No there's more for sure

RandomizerMod2.0/BenchHandler.cs

why

I selected the url and hit copy

I hate mobile everything

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod/blob/master/RandomizerMod2.0/BenchHandler.cs

mobile sucks

[cunning lagoon]

g dhome

wait where even is that bench

[rain cedar]

You can still get fucked if you actually go into godhome

It's not a bench it's the hard save

[cunning lagoon]

oh

[rain cedar]

I want to randomize godtuner but that complicates everything

I have to like think about how you could get there with or without opening the waterways via key

And also having another key if you got there

I guess if you can get to godhome you can get two keys so it's not actually complicated

[cunning lagoon]

what even do you need to get there

im assuming at least claw

and dive ofc

[rain cedar]

Claw or wings works

And dive

Should be it

[cunning lagoon]

the new enemies are broken

ok yeah you can make it wings only

this area is fucking hell

[rain cedar]

It's really not that bad

The fat flukes are super easy to bait

[cunning lagoon]

yeah it's fine

are misc skips using enemies to clear gaps and stuff?

[rain cedar]

It's so many things

[cunning lagoon]

ok so claw is not what kills zote

i checked claw and i have the actual item and vk was there

[floral furnace]

nice hat kuro

[cunning lagoon]

thanks

[dark moth]

hi i bonfire mod still in developement and where can i get link to it

[cunning lagoon]

whats up with everyone wanting to play enemy rando now

[floral furnace]

reddit post most likely

someone mentioned it and he directed to this discord

[cunning lagoon]

well someone should make one about infinite grimm

[floral furnace]

if we do that then youll have to start coding omega hu

[cunning lagoon]

fuck no reddit can't beat my score

[floral furnace]

Or can they...

remember kuro, even memepathofpainnohitspeedrunlords bleed

[mortal trout]

would reddit even try timed hardmode no hit

[cunning lagoon]

it do be like that

they wouldnt know how to turn it on

[mortal trout]

very sad

[weak lodge]

it’s sad but the sadder part is they probably won’t know how to use the modinstaller

[floral furnace]

what if, in order to use the modinstaller you have to beat kuro's pop wr

[weak lodge]

Then you install mods manually.

[mortal trout]

you mean 2 minutes and 16 seconds

[weak lodge]

^

ah

[mortal trout]

i thought it was hallow night

[weak lodge]

What if you best it by going OOB

[floral furnace]

dark souls

[weak lodge]

You never said you can’t use glitches

Easy

[cunning lagoon]

well, he did say you have to beat my wr

[floral furnace]

kuro i didnt say anything

[cunning lagoon]

to beat my wr you ahve to have your run verified

to have your run verified you need to run under the nmg ruleset

[floral furnace]

hmm beat what now?

[mortal trout]

just ask horheristo to beat your run, he'll beat you in a day max 😎

[weak lodge]

Damn such a cool dude

[floral furnace]

using glitches is like using glitches on a video game prove me wrong

[weak lodge]

Glitchess

[floral furnace]

im tired

[weak lodge]

😩

[young walrus]

Would using the any% AG mod be a good starting point for making the minimum load time mod?

Also also, does the Custom Knight mod on the drive right now include the invert knight setting? or only the white cloak stuffs

[rain cedar]

The ag mod is literally just an extra

yield return new WaitForSeconds(1);

And nah it just includes the white cloak

[young walrus]

k cool. I mean, it loads faster than mine, so still useful

[rain cedar]

If you want it

[young walrus]

naisu

[rain cedar]

It's literally just an invert filter applied on the white cloak one

Looks neat though

[young walrus]

yeah. I'll probably put some filters on other ones to see what they're like too

would be cool to have like.... a Hex code you could input in the game to apply a filter

plus have options for like.... that black and white noise one you had yesterday

[rain cedar]

The noise one is more than double the file size

Too powerful for discord

Zipping it reduces it from 14.7 to 14.6

Incredible

[young walrus]

lol

sick compression

[hollow pier]

get nitro

[rain cedar]

no

[hollow pier]

you could have 100 piece rat

[rain cedar]

100 isn't a power

Why would it be 100 piece?

[cunning lagoon]

he meant 100+ piece

[young walrus]

10x10 rat

[rain cedar]

256 piece rat

[leaden hedge]

you can probably make it load a material from an assetbundle to do post processing on the texture, for stuff like recolouring sections or applying noise, bloom etc

that'd be like 5 or 6 lines of code though

[native wing]

ow

[rain cedar]

whomst

[weak lodge]

?

[rain cedar]

Some guy I've never seen before saying ow with completely no context

whomst

[mortal trout]

ive seen him in the rain world discord

and in this channel like a month or two ago

[hollow pier]

ow

o

what's this

[fair rampart]

help

there is someone who thinks dashing on PV is better than jumping

I am going to lose my mind

[young walrus]

k

[ornate rivet]

Isn't CoT the area with the most amount of benches

[young walrus]

nah. greenpath probably

[ornate rivet]

I can think of at least 4 for CoT

[young walrus]

3 left side CoT

2 right side

[ornate rivet]

that's still a good amount of benches

[young walrus]

benches are everywhere

[hollow pier]

king's pass has no benches tc pls fix

[young walrus]

people are just weenies

[fair rampart]

That same guy has so many posts on the first page of the HK steam forum

[young walrus]

Grade A whiner

[weak lodge]

why do exist we

[native wing]

applause

[ornate rivet]

pale lurker mod next boioz

[warped sinew]

"Figured out" how to continue....

[hollow pier]

is that your new mod mick

[warped sinew]

400 IQ

[young walrus]

I'm creating a bunch of sprite sheets

with different colors

[hollow pier]

is this lsdknight

[young walrus]

the customknight mod isn't being called on file start though

[warped sinew]

Those colours are great

[hollow pier]

this looks like a 56 ping

[young walrus]

lol. this is great

[lost agate]

if only i knew how to mod hollow knight

big heck

[fair rampart]

Ez, get 15 yo prodigy to teach you

[lost agate]

what

[mortal trout]

ping 56

[fair rampart]

He is master coder

[young walrus]

blue knight

[ornate rivet]

look at one of the mods that already exist

[lost agate]

finna grab the modinstaller from moddb

[ornate rivet]

and ask any questions you have here

[fair rampart]

@lost agate no

not moddb

[lost agate]

why tho

[fair rampart]

use this

[lost agate]

oh

[young walrus]

pink knight

[ornate rivet]

make golden knight

[lost agate]

i

i gave it my installation path

and it said it was incorrect

ur machine is broken

ur machine works now

what is custom knight

[young walrus]

the pictures I'm posting

it's in progress

[lost agate]

oh aight

WHERE IS THE RESIZE MOD

[young walrus]

the mod right now only makes cloak white

[lost agate]

what is darkness mod

and boop mod

and art mods

[fair rampart]

Art mods is memes

[lost agate]

aight

i would assume darkness makes it

dark

[fair rampart]

yup

[lost agate]

h e l l

m o d

what is this doom 2016

[fair rampart]

do you wanna have a bad time?

[silk jetty]

hell mod is basically bindings mod but not

[lost agate]

qol?

[silk jetty]

quality of life stuff

[lost agate]

redwing?

[fair rampart]

lol

don't

[silk jetty]

redwing is a bad mod

[lost agate]

oh aight

so its gay

grimmchild upgrades?

well i do own troupe so

[silk jetty]

for grimmchild upgrades you also want infinite grimm

[fair rampart]

You don't have to do infinite Grimm

[lost agate]

i thought infinite grimm would be a never ending grimm fight

[silk jetty]

it allows you to fight NKG a second time but he has infinite health and slowly speeds up

[fair rampart]

you can just config the Grimmchild yourself

[silk jetty]

yeah but infgrimm is more fun

[lost agate]

what is boop mod

[fair rampart]

annoying

[silk jetty]

honestly I have no idea

[lost agate]

aight

b

bindings

bonfire what is this dark souls

[fair rampart]

All binds, all the time

bonfire adds rpg leveling

[lost agate]

oh

[silk jetty]

bonfire mod makes it so that you can spend geo to level up

[lost agate]

cool

huh

[silk jetty]

and it's really op and not recommended

[lost agate]

sounds cool

anyway

charming overhaul and charming?

[fair rampart]

Oh Charming is broke

Charm Overhaul is mine

[lost agate]

is there a mod that makes enemies bleed

i'm that kind of guy

i'm kidding

[fair rampart]

All things Charm Overhaul does

[lost agate]

so more charm

[fair rampart]

It adds charm combos