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oh wait
look ive put this shit off for 4 months now
eee
Biggest think
i dont think c++ is oop tho, is it?
i think i should get fucking started
i see
yes it is
out of pounds
it's oop because any time 56 codes he says oops
so c# or f#
i broke everything
c++ confirmed to be java
well actually I don't know how you define object oriented
best thing you can do knightmere is to just do, if you make mistakes thats fine thats pretty much your "i should never do this again" guide
that you wouldn't consider c++ to be that
polymophism and shit
because i ryde his mom
so stick with vs?
AA quick say "u" as a counter arguement
yeah
its like one of hte only few ides that uses .net iirc
or compiles, i dont know the semantics that much
ok
me
wait I did that wrong
I got a popup in libreoffice the other day
which apparently happens on one in every 250 documents
asking if I would like to contribute to it
56 explain to me โฟ I don't understand it why did it become a meme
2019 is not yet of exist
is it weird that I want to work on a fucking office program?
Yes
understandable
Wait is it paid
office more like, monotone job on a desk amirite
no
Ok then yes
No
Or I will weeb global emoji you
tfw when
the feels when when
what
what's with the random int
because
is console a class or library ๐ค
finch sorry for the overused meme
Namespaces can't hold methods
you mean, WHAT ARE THOSEE
what
The namespace is System
namespace
ahh ok ok got it
couldnt you like, directly just, call the method without writing the class name
If you have a using static yeah
writing console is like 678945 seconds longer than just WriteLine, or does the compiler have no idea what "WriteLine" is if you dont specify where it came from
can you two help me out here, what is a namespace
It has no idea unless you add ```cs
using static System.Console;
Console is a static class right?
Probably idk
very funny (he said the g word)
Pretty sure you can just do that on any class for static method usage but don't quote me on that
no i was just wondering if you can make a Console instance
56 youll be here right
damn 56 fucking dying tomorrow
Hey I found a bug I actually have the skill level to fix on libreoffice

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56 you done goofed
56 you actually broke everything
What
56 ๐ก
lmao
well see you memers later ill go sleep or somthing just not code 
Wtf
56 get off mobile
No
.
@wispy lynx whatmst
trams no work
Wtf
stop starting sentences with capital letters so it will be harder to recognize at least thanks
this guy
Tf
like die
i mean stags work more than the tram
so ill take it
ffs
literally broke all the things
stags work, but the stag himself disappears
my stag is still there
[X]
perhaps its actually a rando bug
no
no
ok but use him
you push version 46?
ride him somewhere else
I just did
cuz i'm on your "45"
this is after riding him
Yeah but that's just a tiny change for making the mod menu work
I also haven't updated rando ๐
so is it sean who has to fix his shit
no
it does look like 56 is actually not the culprit here
56 is always the culprit

It's not me
I just stagged to dirtmouth and the stag went with me
Haven't updated api
i guess
tram didn't work for me
New api + new rando?
the plot thickens
Maybe it's the async load
56 fix ur shit
56 fix ur shit
56 fix ur shit
It literally works for me with new rando
it's QoL
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ok
I don't know what mod broke but at least I know it's 56's fault
is it the save shit you were messing with?
What
that's literally just unloading mods at the start
My tram still works
And I got whatever QoL was on the gdrive off the installer
just to make sure
I have everything up to date except api and it works
try updating api
looks like you are free to go 56
doubt but okay
the suspect is now playerdatadump
shocking, i know
whomst've
it's PDD
Okay
pdd doesn't even load for me with the new api
pog
It also breaks my mod menu
amazing
He just uploaded the changes he did a while ago
I can't load any new mods with the new api nice
fix ur shit
What was wrong?
No you didn't the stag/tram still breaks
Does it work even with the webpage up?
Wait I can actually test with pdd now
Do you just open the url
I have Not connected
Is the game open and the mod on?
Yes
white screen
Ok it works in chrome
It's just this
tram machine broke
API isn't throwing an error so the function doesn't die
So the SetIntInternal happens
Is it not set in your save?
I'll bench and check
It's not set
Wait what the fuck
When I go through the door it sets it back to 1
calculus 
I was probably reading the door set
When I press the tram button it tries to set it to 2
Idk why it would do that
What's the room name of the tram?
The tram door control doesn't have an int set action anywhere in it
But it does have some weird shit
Fun
Whatever, not relevant
Time for the fsm viewer to crash when I try to go back to the fsm list ๐ฉ
Are you using the new version
Too lazy for that

Door Target
Gonna check Tram Station Check-Station Check
I'll look at that one next
Good fsm
I don't think door target is it either
It just checks the tram position and chooses which scene to load

The set doesn't exist
Wtf where did it go?
No clue

updated
56 u down 4 rando race
no i have to study
imagine having to study
khan do you rando
i randon't
this is not epic
^
Ascended
it's what i do
But also this quiz decides my grade because quizzes are like 40% of your grade
so no thanks
Because there are no other quizzes in
Your grades don't matter you're in like 2nd grade
this tbh
you already ditched your terraria boys for your grades
don't do it again 
the b o y s 
56 aren't you a boy genius just drop out of school and start a company or some shit
make a living off of getting your ass kicked by me in races
i already did
not breaking the game when updating pdd should be obvious yet here we are
Idk how that even happened
Visual studio literally just didn't include part of the code
When it compiled
I never touched that
The compiler just assumed you'd have another mod which would call SetInt so it optimized it out
stay woke
Same
Yeah that'll happen
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I think bool was missing set too
Makes sense that didn't break

Rando sets bool
o
does the stuff in the drive work atm?
Yes
I should make a mod that just stops bad mods from breaking the game
very nice
Hook all the set functions and set internal
wokest
apparently
wait do they get replaced after closing the game or opening or when
opening
Understandable
@brave viper Hey your autosplitter doesn't have a license, would it be ok if I used parts of it for another component?
is there any reason to pick up the city crest
Sure, what ya making?
the left side door doesnt exist right?
is there a reason to not pick it up
The left door doesn't exist if you have city crest
ah i see
Spent geo tracker for bingo
wait
[INFO]:[RandomizerMod] - Detected preload scene , reloading Quit_To_Menu (left1)
uhh
ok
whoops
56 fix your shit yadda yadda
ty
lmao
I was trying to fix a useless NRE but I just made it so NREs are instant yes preloads
can u make it to baldu hsell with a shade skip im assuming yes
aight cool
did you add the flukemarm instakill
No
o
I solved the mystery
I'm using string.IsNullOrEmpty when I should just be checking null

string.IsNullOrWhitespace
god v2
you called?
no
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begone falsifier, return to your realm of spikes and sawblades
Hitless path of nightmare king pantheon 6 or no God title
Static extensions are actually a thing in F#
backwards
Static extensions would be so nice
[WR]
Also static indexers
Yes
And property extensions
Property extensions would be sick
That could easily be implemented just with a preprocesser before compilation
is the quick soul master fight a rando or a qol thing
very good sean
Soul master wastes too much time
i enjoy this change
Thanks I tried really hard
What's the change?
I just set the encounter bools true for a few bosses
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no more waiting 15s at the start of the fight ๐ฉ
yeah but you gotta admit him just teleporting in your face with a guy dropping bricks on an organ to make the music was pretty cool even tho it takes 5 centuries for him to teleport
I wanted to make hornet 2 intro fast too but it's actually magic
There's no bool or scene data thing
Or int
Idk

yeah
Never tried dying to hornet 2 then restarting
what kinda shitty strings are just whitespace
Trim
Trimoni
wait is s = " "; an actual valid string
i mean, if you append a character there would it retain all the white space
Lmao yes
is new String((char)0, 420); a valid string
also reminded me why i still havent trashed netbeans
@copper nacelle more qol stuff skip the first overcharm animation entirely
so the first time you try to overcharm in a savefile it goes in the first tiome
how could i not remember this
which also reminded me again on why i even use dark theme
fuck bees and they deserve to stop beeing alive
yo theres no char int string arg in java this is lame
also i mean, they do
flying around, pollinating and shit
new string accepting a char and an int for its arguement
im bad at making sentences yw
ikr
But there's nobody with that nick right now
oh yeah aa returned back to rad host
but but, online article #2948322 said its really great, and how everyone and their mothers will be using it in the future
also AI
the main thing people use python for, is maths / science stuff like plotting graphs and stuff
and I guess it does have some AI libraries, but thats more for people to learn how NNs work
NN Noodle Nozzle
monomon didn't hardsave me
NoHardSaves was off
( @copper nacelle )
neither did herrah
56 fix ur shit
I don't have pepehands but pretend I reacted with that to the above message
finch u play rando?
I have never done a speedrun in the entire course of my life Kurosh
you can slowrun a rando
Kurosh you would run circles around me
race me at deaths gambit
you missed out on a well made game
in hollow knight you need an elevator to clip through stuff
in deaths gambit all you need is a knife

and you can also clip into the games equivalent of the black egg from the first town
ye it can go down to like 16m
i play on kb/m which loses like a minute
and the route is cancer
wtf why
former
you fall faster if your inventory is open, but only on controller
you can jump off ladders to climb faster, but only to the right on kb/m
you have to use your mouse to buy items, which involves moving the mouse back and forth, controller can just mash A ( you have to buy like 90 bombs, which takes about 30seconds on cnotroller)
Good thing none of that matters because the game isn't worth playing anyway
whats not to love
you clip to the 2nd to final boss and cheese it with bombs
then you try to bomb the final boss
which has awful hitboxes that dont work
and you have to sexually assault her to get it to work
Isn't there like a cap to how many bombs hit her too?
So you have to do parries or some shit
other way round
you can only parry her 3 times in the fight
if you could parry her you'd just do that probably, it'd save you having to do the instant kill glitch on bulwark twice and buying a bunch of bombs
also @cunning lagoon just look at the all bosses route, specifically mine not the WR to see how broken the game is
any% is stupid, all bosses is ???
you don't get to store dash iframes permanently in any%
that does sound very broken
is it like dgate invuln
or whatever its called
also lurien didnt hardsave me either
56 makes good mods
if you do an airdash, aslong as you continue doing any other action you keep the iframes
you can shoot a gun for 90seconds straight
wtf nice
The 90 seconds straight part being because of a huge design oversight
That they fixed later
itemjump is drop item, jump, pickup item frame after you jump
and you jump like 2.5x higher than normal
tomejump is the same but instead of picking up an item you use a tome skill the frame after picking up an item
and it sends you like 3x higher instead
nice
technically there shouldn't be any tome jumps because you can do the main time save for it with an itemjump, but its like 2 frame perfect inputs that you have to time with an enemies head bob so its zzz
but tomejump makes it free
oh also technically the guns are supposed to suck because they aren't supposed to scale
but the devs made the gun we use scale with STR 
so its the highest dps weapon in the game
hey can I send something disgusting?
is it just that gun in particular?

it specifically says in the description it doesn't scale
ok I won't then
send whatever
Plaintext password, client side verification. @copper nacelle
as long as its not a request to join modding-staff 
oh don't worry I know that's never happening
if it happens before benji, simo, and this server are dead then it is only by an act of god.
bribe them
I want to be modding staff to help this channel
I'm not gonna pay to help
that's like
even worse than unpaid internships
maybe you just have to ask nicely ๐
maybe the key is to not care about a color because that's pretty much all the role is
unless you really really need access to 56's very serious posts in the modding staff channel
I mean
the last time I had a real conversation in this server it started with someone asking "Who's this guy"
2 days ago in #hk-lore
he said no
understandable can you tell me more or is it nda
did he say why to you
he talked about it briefly like 2 lines after a meme post in staff
modding staff is literally just art staff but for modders
also im not benji or simo but if i ran a server and had some dude asking for a role every week
Honestly I'm actually hurt he didn't say it to my face
he would go straight to the "do not give role" list
@thorn comet 
here let me do it for you
Give me moderator and i give my credit card info
since I am physically unable to see #archived-modding-development-staff
ok you send the info first
then i mod you
just need a picture of your credit card, the expiration date and the 3 wacky numbers on the back
you can do it
Thanks kuro 
np man
this is what was said
that wasn't relevant
fair
eh my discord server was a tiny lil experiment that I deleted about 3 months later
it was the redwing server
that's the only one I've ever owned
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don't you thinking me it's true
stop redirecting what im directing to you
no im directing my things to angle
then dont cuz by proxy the source is from me
no i keep the things you direct to me to myself
then i make some of my own and direct them to angle
i, yes
back then the only server other than here I cared about was the Sindicate
Which I regret everything about
and honestly fuck finch
D:
finch don't scroll up there are some very harmful comments directed your way ๐
Ok clearly the solution is I get admin and everyone else is white
except for sean
i'll let him keep his blue
Apparently back then I had the amazing power of being able to see exactly 1 day into the future into a staff channel I'm physically incapible of seeing
because this message was send 1 day before simo's in modding staff
but honestly, by July 18th I had already given up hope of ever getting the role so I stopped giving a crap
I realized back then if Redwing CP1 wasn't enough there was really no hope of it ever happening
and to this day. It's been about 5 months, and my opinion is still if it happens before benji, simo, and this server are dead then it is only by an act of god.
atleast you weren't permanently banned 
not that I'd know anything about doing a bunch of work for a community then getting permabanned and my work "borrowed"
story time? ๐
I'd be highly concerned about a group of people willing to spend 10 dollars a year plus hosting to replace my website just so they can justify banning me
but please tell KDT
story time? ok
4-5 years ago I spent 8ish hours a day on a site, and I'd spend about half of that time developing an extension (over about 6 months, releasing updates pretty much every day) that was used by pretty much every single user because it made the site so much better
I ran a chatbot for the site and also paid for a server to do image hosting for avatars and also saving peoples settings to their account rather than browser
I made a really shitty exhibition match that I expected to get skipped, so I said if you skip my exhib i'll add stats to my extension which was the sites main monetization method, and he permanently banned me for it, stole all the features from the bot and extension and temp banned anyone that mentioned my name or extension
then because all his mods said he was fucking stupid, he replaced them all
ye
head far up their ass syndrome
rofl
real shit tho, are you a bit honored by that then
thats messed up
anything to do with me is forbidden
I had to submit stuff to the site under a psuedonym
why did you even go back there
i feel like getting permabanned for that should've been a big enough red flag to never go there again
Krabs Dont Trust?
i mean there was like 20-50 people in the private chat we had, and that was the main group I talked to, and as most of them still used the site they'd talk about it a lot
and I had projects I was like 75% through that I needed to finish anyway
i see
ooh what's the extension called
I wanna be banned
(edit: from that site not here pls)
you cant spell badass without "baannedss"
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/saltybet /kecciaioaghjcldgoonciaahfedkoafc?hl=en this is the extension
you'll only get banned if salty is online and watching chat
which is like pretty random
4 stars 
quality extension
honestly fuck salty
yeah fuck this salty guy, whoever that guy is
it was 5stars a long time, but he'd keep changing shit to break the extension
so I stopped updating it
hey just so you know, ill hate salty for you even if dont know who the fuck he is 
well hes a dick anyway
he completely ruined the site, by releasing a mobile game which is straight p2w
you can just buy money in game

do they bet real money on this
because some dude had a $50k bet
or is it some game currency or something
is it like 2 cpus fighting eachother
yes
so when are you gonna buy the IP and finally make Waifu Wars: Blood and Redemption Remastered Enhanced Game of the Year Edition
Firzen made a betting bot for this a while ago that does pretty well
most of the top 10 were bots made by me but ran by other people after I got banned
top1 was a bot of mine for like 2 years
Neat
hard pee
rodrigantz is my spirit animal
same
also 50k isn't a lot 
technically the biggest bet was 2.1b after I found a vulnerability that let me give people money so I gave someone max_int and they all-ined
lmao
I think the biggest none glitch was like 500m though, when #1 money matched like 5 people from top 10
max int 56 is this u
ttacco u play rando
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by originally i mean 7 months ago
that's okay :)
aww thanks ๐
how do I install the randomizer mod?
to claim the title of Lord of Ligma yes
Have any of you guys tried out The Pain of the Path mod?
i have indeed tried the the pain of the path mod
Does it change up how the area behaves with new platforming sections?
it lets you do pop backwards
its literally the path of pain but backwards
One last question, are the 'Glorious Combos' and 'Exaltation' mods any good?
Glorious Combos makes you stronger the more you hit without getting hit iirc (angle pls dont end me) and Exaltation gives you the "glorified charms" which TC didnt add during the release of GM
exaltation is cool
I'll definitely check out exaltation, I was really excited for that mechanic when it was announced and was a bit bummed when it got cut. I imagine it was difficult to balance into the game or something along those lines
btw the charms added by exaltation arent something like official tc stuff that was unreleased inside the files, but rather the stats were made by xhuis himself, other than that i havent tried it personally but receptive for it is great nonetheless, so yeah try it
btw the charms added by exaltation arent something like official tc stuff that was unreleased inside the files, but rather the stats were made by xhuis himself, other than that i havent tried it personally but receptive for it is great nonetheless, so yeah try it
lol
kuro i thought you were over this
it back bby
smh
ttacco I have to ask
hmm?
well 2 things but I'll save my non modding question for a different channel. maybe meme or something
but
on the topic of mods
how's hollow point coming and what are your plans for it
i have to start deving our app next sem lmao, but ive REALLY been itching to start getting back to it in like, during christmas break
other than that art is my main enemy ๐ฉ
well best of luck
ty
no problem kuro
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sean pings me to fix the installer
I have no idea how to
ignores
Also, I don't have access to my pc for two more days, so there's that
change identity and live in another country, if sean tracks you down just say "Yes i am of no know of this "Gradow" person you speak of yes"
yes that is completely accurate
I knew that, was just testing you
Hornet is hard are you kidding me? when have you seen a boss with such slowness and sluggishness?
play mods on switch
(this is ACTUALLY TRUE lol)
Yeah, I'm currently having an out-of-body experience ngl
did you take The Drugs
Oh Jesus not the needle
Never heard of him, but have you heard of Jesus Christ our lord and savior
who
@copper nacelle stop breaking my mod
both of you need to stop abusing corner cases
well actually only one of you needs to stop
the other will be fixed by the first one not doing it
So..... is it safe to use?
Yeah I was out of date
I guess the null check somehow gets completely optimized out if there's an or instead of and
Because that's all he changed there
@ 56#1363 explain what a vector does again thanks
vectorizes
hmmm
a vector is just 2 or more floats in one variable
thank
I just want to take a moment to say that pattern matching on the is keywords is god
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agreed
Thanks Redwing, very cool
a
what
idk
imagine playing redwing
So many modes to dive into
So much experience I could get from it
And everything broke when I oneshoted Brooding Mawleck with Blackmoth and Redwing on
infinite grimm
sad
Okay
I have an idea
Install every randomizer mode, along with lightbringer
And turn on The world Revolving playlist
very cool!
The middle column is stuff you have to do before you can enter black egg so that's gonna take a bit
Uh..... You probably don't want all the skips on
Especially if beating nkg is an issue
I'd use the easy preset
You really gonna post screenshots every 5 minutes?
hmm

umm lets see
Hey guys, I've installed Debug Mod and now want to unbind some functions, which key should i press?
You can't, that's not implemented
If you've completely fucked yourself by binding something like kill self to left click you can delete the config file
%appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\DebugMod.GlobalSetting.json
Or something like that
I'm not 100% on the file name
Ok, thank you
Btw, I can unbind anything i want in the config file. All that i need is the Key Codes - http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Key_codes
that is indeed fucked up
that makes me want to die
someone is recommending grubsong 
wtf someone help
_control.GetAction<ActivateGameObject>("Throw", 5).activate = false;
it keeps giving me a null reference error but I know both hornet and her fsm which I am editing are not null
wait
maybe nvm
yea ok it was because I had inserted another action before that so all the indices were messed up
no
Shut up
guess ill go fuck myself then
so i guess i want to do level building stuff
how would i start
You wait for nes to finish his level editor
oh
how long will that take
i had no idea that was in development because i thought it was impossible because of the games art
very nice
I'll be working on it over the weekend. I don't have a good time frame because it all depends on how unity wants to handle what I'm doing. For limited support (moving/deleting in existing maps) should be done in about one week. Technically it supports new levels too but you'd have to manually set those up (ie transitions, map tiles).
What about copy/paste of stuff in existing scenes?
Well right now it's packing what you build in unity into a bundle then tricking unity into loading it like a scene. For existing maps it diffs the changes then modifies the level and loads it as a new level
Interesting
I guess you could make a copy but I'd have to add that as a new level type since it only really supports modification and new levels made in the editor
It's faster than you'd think
@cunning lagoon and @solemn basin and anyone else who has nothing better to do, please test my mod
Fixes:
Orbs are slower
Extra needle is gone
Bee numbers are reduced to 3
hornet is nice and waits 0.35 second pause between each attack
shield + needle throw combo should no longer happen
hornet faces the player when shooting bats in p3 now
Bad stuff:
Statue bug still exists
Transition between p2 and p3 still sucks
Main menu screen still glitches
yay
I will do it soon.
also uhhh, ping me if you all have feedback because I am going to do other work and probably wont fix anything until tomorrow
Okay, will PM if anything sticks out. Thanks!
sweet
ill check it out tomorrow or later
also for the p2 to p3 thing i think you can just mash dash to not get hit
@solemn basin
only tried it once but it worked
does anyone know what happens if you instantiate the knight?
@cunning lagoon I found using descending dark as the freeze ends lets you avoid it consistently. Provided you have soul to cast it. Generally found P2 to be a good place to build as much soul as possible.
Yeah.
P3 I found staying at the walls and letting Hornet come to you and then pogo to build soul or use DD let me be relatively safe.
Like if she dives pogo her, if she dashes pogo then shade dash through the fire stream.
@fair rampart vengefly king
i got sick and didn't go to school and then i slept through the entire day
thats more sleep than what you got the entire week
you're not wrong
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Sounds legit.
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its unbelievable right
he's done it
pog
increรญble
yo we can do like some 2v2 shit
sorry you mean 2v2 then 56 leaves
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actually 56 not showing up is more likely
i'll take that as a no
it's ok i can single-handedly kick pete's ass
did i spell that right
any 1v1v1
im down for anything
Hey use this it's probably not broken
You play a lot of rando so you get to be the guinea pig
If you haven't started already yet @cunning lagoon
can't wait to crash
sure

oh shit
yo thats sick

@copper nacelle exist
That means the shade skip there will never be required now, so that's nice too
Yeah it's a pretty garbage shade skip
@cunning lagoon no
You still up for a race, Mick?


