#archived-modding-development

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rain cedar
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Good

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Bye

hollow pier
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although salubra overcharm still doesn't recalc properly

copper nacelle
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wtf

hollow pier
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mick had spore shroom str overcharm

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got 4th notch was still overcharmed

rain cedar
copper nacelle
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implying TC code works

rain cedar
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Same

ornate rivet
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ok so I know why it doesnt work now

copper nacelle
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why

ornate rivet
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the if statement that changes that bool doesn't work

cunning lagoon
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Pete im in bedbso i Cant watg

ornate rivet
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but idk why that if doesnt work

copper nacelle
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Nice

cunning lagoon
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Have fun

ornate rivet
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so

copper nacelle
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I mean you could paste it

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stay woke

rain cedar
ornate rivet
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see my code is so bad I feel embarrassed about pasting it

rain cedar
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Maybe there's some fsm event I need too

ornate rivet
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every variable has a dungo name

copper nacelle
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question

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why are all of your comments logs

ornate rivet
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because logs are nice

copper nacelle
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Does it actually use charmSlotsFilled

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in like the calculate notches used thing

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it does

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Wtf

rain cedar
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Why is this a problem?

copper nacelle
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it isn't

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Which is why I'm confused

rain cedar
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It's not that confusing

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It's fsm

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Need an event

copper nacelle
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urite

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Does debug use an event

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cause its overcharmed thing still works last I checked

rain cedar
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no

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Then idk

copper nacelle
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stay woke

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Maybe recalculate notches used?

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Does it need canOvercharm maybe idk

rain cedar
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Notches used isn't gonna change when I give a notch

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But I guess that might be it

copper nacelle
rain cedar
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I don't remember

copper nacelle
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could try it idk

rain cedar
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In a bit

hollow pier
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any% is impossible

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runs cancelled

floral furnace
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does the charm effects activate when you equip them on the menu or when you leave the bench? no wait i think it does fuck i havent played this game in a month, i forgot already

copper nacelle
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I think it's when you close the charms menu but I can't remember either

latent mist
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Ammm, sorry, i put the Hp bar mod and now i can't quit the full screen

rain cedar
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The overcharm recalculating thing works

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But all the charm stuff is hooked on charm update so you don't get the new notch/de-overcharm instantly

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I think that's all it was

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I can make it check instantly, though

compact sedge
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hey I quit modding for a whole month in the meanwhile has anyone managed to while I was doing other things, create arbitrary dialogue boxes?

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and by doing other things I totally don't mean writing 15k words of fanfiction.

rain cedar
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It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do

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Most of it is a component

rain cedar
weak lodge
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holy shit never noticed that

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is that a randomizer change\

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hey i managed to beat most of the game and pan 1-2 with vsync on zote

mortal trout
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sounds (slur) knightmere

ornate rivet
mortal trout
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copy paste lol

ornate rivet
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sorry for double ping Kurosh

mortal trout
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1 ghost ping zote

hollow pier
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sorry for double cdash kurosh

weak lodge
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@ornate rivet so how doeth thou manually install a mod

ornate rivet
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just put the .dll file in the Mods folder

weak lodge
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kk

mortal trout
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inb4 where is mod folder

ornate rivet
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if there is no mods folder then install the modding api with the installer

weak lodge
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the mod folder is easily acessable by pressing start and write "mods"

ornate rivet
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are you sure that's the correct mods folder

weak lodge
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hmmmmm

ornate rivet
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make sure the path is like this
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods

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if you use steam

weak lodge
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who doesnt 🤔

hollow pier
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Downloads\Hollow Knight Pirated\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\ohanerrormessage

floral furnace
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Sorry knightmere you can only install mods if you got all the achievements + hornet dlc achievos

weak lodge
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i do

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ni🅱🅱er

mortal trout
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gottem

floral furnace
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you sure?

mortal trout
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nice edit

weak lodge
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ye

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want it

floral furnace
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yeah give me a cracked copy of hornet dlc thanks

weak lodge
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879 bytes

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yes very small update

floral furnace
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ty

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goddamn this first boss is amazing, saleh they literally ripped of your boss for hornet dlc

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its basically a quirrel but with flamethrowers woah

weak lodge
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ttacco i bet you curbstomped thk fight in the beginning

floral furnace
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wait that was a boss lmao

weak lodge
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na tiktik level boss

floral furnace
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does dlk just wake up when someone mentions his failed cdashes

mortal trout
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hornet dlc leak is the same thing as pale prince.dll 😔

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where's the originality ?!

weak lodge
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who ever said pale prince wasn't hornet dlc in disguise

mortal trout
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makes you think

weak lodge
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no you think for once kthx how could you not see the implications of hornet dlc in that shitty hollow knight game

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tHeRe iS a hOrnEt chARActer

ornate rivet
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would we be able to make a multiplayer mode if hornet dlc comes out (since there will be 2 playable characters)?

weak lodge
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dmmmm

floral furnace
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netowrking rely hard

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i think

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plus lots of constraints tho, like how do you determine how ot change the level transition

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that or you can preload the entire map and lag like a bitch after waiting for a 30 minute loading screen zote

hollow pier
cunning lagoon
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your mod breaks my game

weak lodge
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hmmmmmm

ornate rivet
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That's what's supposed to happen

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I am too lazy to make the scenes not be visible when they load

cunning lagoon
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???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

weak lodge
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🅱L🅱urosh

mortal trout
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lore is a top tier channel

ornate rivet
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I mean does it matter?

weak lodge
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you are a top tier person 😃

ornate rivet
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does the mod work?

cunning lagoon
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yes

ornate rivet
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good that's all that matters

cunning lagoon
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nvm

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i can't interact with the statue now

ornate rivet
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wat

cunning lagoon
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i died and now i can't

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every other statue works

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it's only hornet's statue

ornate rivet
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weird, I can still interact with it when I die

cunning lagoon
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i died more than once

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it only break this time

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broke

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i killed fc and it works now

ornate rivet
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hmm I am not sure why that happens since I dont change anything related to that

cunning lagoon
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it broke again

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try dying to the fury beams

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might be that

ornate rivet
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ok

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still works for me

cunning lagoon
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

ornate rivet
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someone else is testing it and they aren't getting this either
do you have any other mod installed?

cunning lagoon
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debug

ornate rivet
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I am using debug too so that's not it

hollow pier
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message

ornate rivet
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Hedrack said it happens to him too

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reeeeeee

cunning lagoon
ornate rivet
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yea I am fixing that

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hornet cheating

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ok I made it so that she does her idle animation when that happens

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but I still dont know why the statue stops working

solemn basin
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I had the dramatic pause dive death too. Hornet should have just paused things to win. 😄

cunning lagoon
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is p3 meant to be dodgeable

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legit question

hollow pier
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ddark lol

ornate rivet
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I tested each attack separately but not all of them together so that's probably why

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besides slowing down orbs what else should I change

cunning lagoon
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i'm still in the process of figuring it out

solemn basin
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You're removing the lone needle with P2/P3?

cunning lagoon
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but idk

ornate rivet
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yea

hollow pier
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stop cheating

cunning lagoon
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i dont even know whats going on

solemn basin
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Hornet just decides to end you.

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She's breaking out her ultimate attack.

mortal trout
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saleh,those attacks DoNT fIT wiTh ThE lORe

cunning lagoon
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ok yeah

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the bees are stupid

ornate rivet
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PV's attack is ok?

cunning lagoon
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idk gimme a while

ornate rivet
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ok

cunning lagoon
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keep in mind i still dont know how to dodge half this shit

ornate rivet
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well neither do I so

cunning lagoon
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but the bees just spawn there while you are dodging other things and just hit you

fair rampart
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be invincible

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ez

solemn basin
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You mean "bee" invincible. Extra damage from the pun.

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Two masks at least.

hollow pier
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did you just throw a bunch of boss projectiles in

ornate rivet
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yes

fair rampart
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Why does it dream warp when you load in?

ornate rivet
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idk

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but it looks nice

cunning lagoon
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yea thats cool

mortal trout
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yeah but it doesnt fit with the lore so it's bad

solemn basin
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But if HK has no lore, anything goes.

cunning lagoon
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ok definitely just

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really tune down the bees

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or remove them

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or something

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and i think giving her a small cooldown or whatever

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after each attack

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would make it fginew

ornate rivet
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ok

cunning lagoon
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you know how absrad just kinda does nothing after each attack for a few seconds

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same thing but not a few seconds because thats too long for this boss lol

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and tune down the tracking on the orbs a little bit because they can hit you when you go through them

hollow pier
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kuro pretty sure ss is better than ddark for swarrior

cunning lagoon
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dhits are not too reliable without shaman stone

hollow pier
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well when you just miss a full ddark

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pretty bad

cunning lagoon
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how does me missing a ddark prove that it's worse than shade soul

hollow pier
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can't you dhit semi consistently with base vs

cunning lagoon
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dunno

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saleh i'd like to report a bug

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this boss empty hops 😡

weary oyster
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kurosh no what is this

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go back

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revert

cunning lagoon
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what have i done now

weary oyster
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name

cunning lagoon
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im not doing glitches

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oh

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forgot i had that

weary oyster
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lol

hollow pier
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no it was good

weary oyster
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do i even want the context

cunning lagoon
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either way a full ddark is better than a dhit shade soul

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and is more reliable

mortal trout
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xXxXD_L_K_u_r_o_s_hXxXx will live on

cunning lagoon
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sometimes you just pin him against the wall and he doesn't do anything

hollow pier
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that is illegal

cunning lagoon
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other times he pulls a gorb and teleports away from you at every opportunity he has GWbratWhy

hollow pier
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what is this meme screen shake with rando

cunning lagoon
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it's a feature

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do i do p5 runs or 106

hollow pier
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106

cunning lagoon
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i wanna do 106 but my computer melts GWbratWhy

hollow pier
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do i just have no idea how godhome works or does rando somehow break it

cunning lagoon
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rando shouldn't do anything in godhome

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ah nice room dupe nerd

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dq'd

fair rampart
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Hollow Knight by Bethesda

hollow pier
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i literally fell down from the room above

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what the fuck

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when i go into the upwards transition

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it transitions me to the bottom of the same room

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i can't leave

cunning lagoon
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qol godhome hardlock lol

hollow pier
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well the camera just went to nowhere

cunning lagoon
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😔

hollow pier
fair rampart
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what the hell

hollow pier
solemn basin
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Man, Chinese HK is pretty weird.

cunning lagoon
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是

hollow pier
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it seems i am finally stuck

fair rampart
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Hornet isn't made of void
E V E R Y T H I N G I S

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What mods do you have?

cunning lagoon
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where you live

hollow pier
cunning lagoon
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ah found the culprit

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you have qol

hollow pier
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this tbh

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i will record the godlike 8% of p5

fair rampart
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please do

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this is amazing

hollow pier
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fellas what's a good colour for nohboard key pressed

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currently using cyan

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i lied it's magenta

fair rampart
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I can see how you'd get those confused

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They are so similar

cunning lagoon
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black

fair rampart
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How does this even happen? I thought it might be Pantheon Randomizer, but you don't have that

hollow pier
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it

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is fixed now

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interesting

fair rampart
hollow pier
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do not fret

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i will recreate it

fast thicket
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@rain cedar Dash Slash pick up didnt appear on my rando seed (picked up Dash Slash before visiting Oro)

hollow pier
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it has been done

cunning lagoon
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he has done it

fair rampart
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Let's see this masterfully fucked up Godhome

cunning lagoon
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you think 5 lifeblood is enough to facetank markoth

fair rampart
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Depends how good you are at not falling into the pit

cunning lagoon
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how much health does he have

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wiki GWmemetownOMEGALUL

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ofc the first thing i read is wrong

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he has 250 health with nail0

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not 200

fair rampart
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Ascended is 950 hp apparently?

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I feel like that's a bit high

cunning lagoon
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he has attuned hp on both p4 and p5

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just like every other boss in the game

fair rampart
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Oh, then 650

cunning lagoon
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so he has 650 if the wiki is to be trusted

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doesn't sound feasible

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could just facetank p2

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markoth is where the biggest timesave is atm

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markoth and absrad

hollow pier
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processing

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95% typical

fair rampart
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nice resolution

hollow pier
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thanks

cunning lagoon
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not even all binds

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why watch

hollow pier
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i would actually die to mmc if i did ab

cunning lagoon
hollow pier
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also the fk stagger at 5:20 is utter bullshit

fair rampart
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What is even the fuck

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I can't even tell what part of Godhome you're in

hollow pier
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same

fair rampart
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Did godhome just loop?

hollow pier
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yes sir

cunning lagoon
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lööps

hollow pier
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oh should i noclip past the godseeker part and keep going

fair rampart
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probably

hollow pier
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do i stream

cunning lagoon
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im gonna do runs now

fair rampart
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Gruz Mother is normal

cunning lagoon
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oh i see why you said you'd die to mmc

hollow pier
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yes

fair rampart
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So it's current randomizer that does this?

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But how?

hollow pier
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i know as much as you do sir nathan

fair rampart
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Is it the version on the drive?

hollow pier
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yes

fair rampart
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k

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saving that for later

cunning lagoon
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do i do p5 or p4

hollow pier
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gorb is a black screen

cunning lagoon
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i wanna do p5 but my p4 time needs improvements

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so im doing p4 thanks for your input

hollow pier
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ok

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mawlek is godlike

fair rampart
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At least you have infinite healing

hollow pier
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wtf there are like 3 soul masters

fair rampart
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Sean, how do you even make a mod glitch like this?

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Accidental masterpiece

hollow pier
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marmu is interesting

cunning lagoon
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So i just realized Xero has been putting nt rta in my runa himself

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Runs

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I thought it wasnt necessary?

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But turns out im making him do extra work GWmythiFeelsBadMan

hollow pier
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it's not

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uh oh

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we may have ourselves quite the predicament

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nevermind

cunning lagoon
fair rampart
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wtf

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It forgot to unload the God Tamer

hollow pier
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good lord what is uumuu

fair rampart
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Can't be worse than Death Mod Uumuu

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can it?

cunning lagoon
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Cant be worse than any% nmg uumuu

hollow pier
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who's after uumuu

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is it a bench

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oh it's nosk

fair rampart
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IDK, could be 2 bosses at the same time for all I know

hollow pier
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oh no

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sly disappeared

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he's gone

fair rampart
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Kill All?

cunning lagoon
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Best boss gone GWbratWhy

hollow pier
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the game was endlessly respawning me into spikes while he spawned

fair rampart
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Wat

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Where did the spikes come from?

hollow pier
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i deleted sly

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and

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nothing

fair rampart
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Oh, you deleted him?

hollow pier
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well i tried kill all

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and it did nothing

fair rampart
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Oh that is still not fixed?

hollow pier
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the run ends here

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we may never get to see absrad

fair rampart
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shame

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What does HoG look like?

hollow pier
fair rampart
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Excuse me

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WHAT

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Where is that?

hollow pier
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oob past the so called sly arena

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also i can't enter hog

fair rampart
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It looked like you could reach it in the vid

hollow pier
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the door is there i can't enter it

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lights i assume

fair rampart
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Oh, the interact point is gone

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Also 2 Godseekers

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Are you able to do p4?

hollow pier
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probably not

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i will upload the p5 adventure

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perhaps we can find a way past sly

fair rampart
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Were you able to hit Sly at all?

hollow pier
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well i tabbed out somewhere in his spawn anim

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so maybe

fair rampart
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Because if so, you could debug your Nail dmg super high and 1 shot him

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15 minutes is considered long?

hollow pier
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i have an idea to mess up hog

fair rampart
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I mean, you didn't even make it to Lost Child, so no minors

hollow pier
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what the fuck

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my idea

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just booted me out of godhome

cunning lagoon
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nice nice

fair rampart
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BTW, at first I read that as "minorities"

cunning lagoon
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the plot thickens

hollow pier
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and now i have junk pit and godhome overlayed

fair rampart
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What the WTF the Fuck

cunning lagoon
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(((btw running godhome ils is nothing but a big rngfest)))

hollow pier
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this is quite interesting

cunning lagoon
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very nice

hollow pier
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good news we can do the panths in junkhome

cunning lagoon
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nutty

hollow pier
cunning lagoon
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btw nathan do you know why traitor lord and the infected mantis warriors sometimes just walk really quickly

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ANd how to avoid it

weak lodge
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hmm

cunning lagoon
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you know i think i know why that happens

weak lodge
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hey kuro

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i frgot to say

cunning lagoon
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before attacking they usually walk backwards and then attack

weak lodge
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gj on the AB

fair rampart
hollow pier
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oh

cunning lagoon
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so maybe whats happening is them doing the backwards walk but in the wrong direction

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resulting in very fair and avoidable damage

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and thanks knightmere

hollow pier
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i killed ar

fair rampart
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that was fast

hollow pier
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how interesting

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the climb platforms are now in hog

fair rampart
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does she just die, like in HoG

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or does Shade Lord come out

hollow pier
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no i kill her normally

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you basically fight her in hog

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then oob way up to where he is

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and kill her

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ah yes

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now hog is everywhere

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just what i wanted

fair rampart
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Expert coding

hollow pier
cunning lagoon
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hes waiting for you

fair rampart
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Hollow Knight doesn't feel so good

hollow pier
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i guess we do p4

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ah

fair rampart
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It's like the game isn't unloading

hollow pier
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my player does not exist

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how fun

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ah

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i have hardlocked

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at least i have cg2 with me

fair rampart
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hardlocked!?

hollow pier
fair rampart
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not just softlock

hollow pier
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hardlock

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lost control

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as in can't do anything

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force pause didn't even work

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it seems that p4 is a hardlock every time

fair rampart
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Sean must done something that affected level loading/unloading

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That is the only thing I can think of

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Like when he was trying to get the gotSlyCharm bool to set properly on level load

hollow pier
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there is just random geometry everywhere

fair rampart
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Except for Gruz Mother

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she is normal

hollow pier
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some bosses are normal

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i think dung was

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most are black screens

fair rampart
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Just got to Dung

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in the vid

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He is normal

cunning lagoon
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look at those fucking floaty jumps

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this game is fucking shit

fair rampart
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but he took an oddly long time to load

hollow pier
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noob stop holding jump lol

cunning lagoon
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nldg*

hollow pier
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it would seem that all panths are hardlocks

cunning lagoon
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like no eyes is already fucking enough rng

hollow pier
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p5 is the only safe one

cunning lagoon
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i dont need 2 floaty jumps in a row

fair rampart
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wtf Soul Warrior

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the arena walls and floor are there

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but the arena itself is just black

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pfft

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Tiso flipped upsidedown

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that's great

hollow pier
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he's also in the next scene

fair rampart
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omg

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he's floating

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and just slowly shifting to the left

dusky lion
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He's ascending beyond this mortal realm

fair rampart
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I wonder if the bench in Xero's fight works

hollow pier
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everything fixes on quitout btw

fair rampart
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This has to be a level unloading issue

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Tiso carried into the next fight

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the bench into Xero

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Also, nice windows notification in Xero's battle

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And now it's Soul Master both phase at once, in a dark Crystal Guardian arena

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Oblobbles completely normal except for screenshake, presumably from Soul Master

cunning lagoon
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YOU ASSUME TOO MANY THINGS NATHAN

ornate rivet
weak lodge
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@cunning lagoon btw

fair rampart
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Fighting Sheo in the floor, while Galien's scythe slowly scoots acrossed the top of the screen: amazing

weak lodge
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have you ever played a castlvania game

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cause

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medusa heads

cunning lagoon
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no

weak lodge
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p sure that's what no eyes' attacks are based on

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like

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99% sure

fair rampart
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No Eyes' attack is a castelvania reference

weak lodge
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fucking medusa heads

fair rampart
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it's based on a notoriously annoying enemy

weak lodge
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when they hit you you get frozen in place

fair rampart
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Glad that doesn't happen

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Collector got a skylight

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tf is with the camera in the Grimm fight?

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And why don't you have your Windows notifs on silent?

hollow pier
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idk

fair rampart
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When people complain about not being able to see Uumuu's lightning:

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it could have been much worse

weak lodge
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finna uummuu requires speed buff

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winged nosk and normal nosk's rooms need to be darker and give them more attacks kthx

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also less spit rng tyvm

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ceiling attacks arnt fun

cunning lagoon
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this tbh

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so the thing with that attack

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i think it's that it becomes wider when it hits the ground

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so even though you are standing between 2 spits and you are safe

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you are not safe anymore when they hit the ground

mortal trout
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winged nosk makes me want to die

cunning lagoon
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i think the other spit attack is even more unfair

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if he goes offscreen and spits it you jsut can't see the blobs

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they are just offscreen

fair rampart
#

You can jump and then dash through the spit to land on a safe spot

cunning lagoon
#

yeah that's what i started doing

#

so i'm juust gonna start shade cloaking through everything

#

because trying to stand in a safe spot is not reliable

#

i dont like complaining about winged nosk because hes piss easy but

#

it is what it is

fair rampart
#

The flight pattern for his dive attack is annoying

river eagle
#

erm, so did anyone remember how to load an image in docker?

cunning lagoon
#

getting real tired of this bullshit game really quickly

hazy sentinel
#

cow poop

weak lodge
#

this man right here dispenses the cubes

trim totem
#

oof

cunning lagoon
#

i love being 20 seconds ahead at no eyes and losing literally my whole lead to rng 😄

weak lodge
#

what if we changed medusa heads to like

#

only spawn where your x position is

prime rune
#

does the boopsoundmod work?

#

i cant tell lol

river eagle
#

@compact sedge Would you know where the authentication token for a discord bot is located?

leaden hedge
#

on your bot page

compact sedge
#

yeah

#

you logon to api.discord

#

or whatever

#

and it lists that kinda stuff

river eagle
#

the thing is that I don't have access to the bot page as I didn't make Zote

#

Conrad did

#

so I guess I need the token to login

#

I do know that the token is also located somewhere in the files for the bot

#

that I do have

leaden hedge
#

should be in the config file

river eagle
#

in /!python ?

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@leaden hedge would you know?

leaden hedge
#

you can probably just do
print(token()) anywhere in __main__.py

river eagle
#

actually nevermind, I found it in inf.py

#

now how would I load the bot without conrads account...

leaden hedge
#

why would you need the account

#

the token is all you need

river eagle
#

I'm trying to change the avatar of the bot and just thought that it would be easiest to do it from the developer portal

#

but I guess not

cunning lagoon
hollow pier
#

lol noob

cunning lagoon
#

nldg*

solemn basin
#

So finished DoH, but I got lucky and didn't get bees.

#

Plus DD is the answer to everything.

cunning lagoon
#

yo nice

solemn basin
#

Kurosh, what charms were you running with it?

copper nacelle
cunning lagoon
#

strength qs shaman stone and either twister or ln

solemn basin
#

Because I felt spell build for DD and Sharp Shadow really worked well. But was curious what others used. I'd like to retry with just the nail.

cunning lagoon
#

so how hard would it have fucking been to make no eyes teleport on a timer

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instead of whenever the fuck she wants to

#

like really

copper nacelle
#

0 effort

cunning lagoon
#

just make her teleport every 7 or 8 seconds

solemn basin
#

No Eyes exists to piss everyone off.

cunning lagoon
#

not a fucking random chance whenever she takes damage

#

there's just no reason to deliberately make her like that

#

they just decided they wanted to make her garbage to fight

#

oh you wanted to shriek the boss well you are out of luck because she's going to teleport after the first hit

#

fucking garbage ass design

solemn basin
#

Yeah. Hate using shriek against her because it's so RNG. Usually just shade soul.

cunning lagoon
#

yeah sadly ss just does way less damage

#

so its quite a bit slower

solemn basin
#

That's true.

#

If you're trying to speedrun it then it's frustrating.

cunning lagoon
#

yea

#

even the fucking lost kin staggerlock is rng

dusky lion
#

Kurosh sounds like a person that would enjoy 100% Orange Juice

#

The game not orange juice the liquid

cunning lagoon
#

ah did i forget to mention failed champ rocks rng

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or traitor lord empty walk unavoidable damage rng

#

or white defender burrow rng

mortal trout
#

orange juice tastes good

cunning lagoon
#

@copper nacelle yo what makes no eyes teleport

#

you looked intro this a long time ago didnt you

copper nacelle
#

yes

cunning lagoon
#

any useful infoi

#

i actually hate this game

fair rampart
#

if you stay close to traitor lord he doesn't idly walk into you

dusky lion
#

Then why do you have 700 hours into it

cunning lagoon
#

he definitely does

copper nacelle
#

it's damage response

cunning lagoon
#

great

#

wonder ful game design

#

really really good

copper nacelle
cunning lagoon
#

10/10

#

masterpiece

#

what does 0.65 0.35 mean

#

35% chance of teleporting after each hit?

copper nacelle
#

yes

cunning lagoon
#

wow thats like

#

actual shit design

#

like thats such a dick move

copper nacelle
#

oh hey

#

the shot spawn

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gets decreased

#

as the hp gets lower

cunning lagoon
#

wdym

copper nacelle
hollow pier
#

56 why does fsmviewer die when i do anything

cunning lagoon
#

what is shot spawn

#

the ghosts?

copper nacelle
#

probably

cunning lagoon
#

yeah she fills the arena with ghosts when shes almost dead

copper nacelle
#

@hollow pier do you have the latest one

cunning lagoon
#

well no eyes definitely went up a few tiers in the cancer list

hollow pier
#

who really knows

copper nacelle
#

it's the one in pins

hollow pier
#

then yes

copper nacelle
#

uhh

fair rampart
#

No Eyes wasn't already near the top of the cancer list?

copper nacelle
#

Do you have more than one open?

cunning lagoon
#

she was pretty high

hollow pier
#

no

cunning lagoon
#

now she's even higher

copper nacelle
#

Wtf

#

Try re-downloading it tbh

#

That's a file already open error

hollow pier
#

getting two viruses GWfroggyPoggers

cunning lagoon
#

i really wonder what goes through their heads when they make bosses like this

copper nacelle
#

I used to get it a ton but this version fixed it for me

fair rampart
#

56, how do you explain Ptkr's experience in Glitchome?

copper nacelle
#

rando had a room dupe bug

#

iirc sean fixed it

hollow pier
#

it died again what a surprise

copper nacelle
#

Uhh

#

Do you have the game open idk

hollow pier
#

no

copper nacelle
#

wtf

#

When does it crash

hollow pier
#

open scene list

copper nacelle
#

Does it crash on open resources.assets as well

hollow pier
#

yes it does good sir

copper nacelle
#

if you go to open file and open resources.assets from that does it crash

hollow pier
#

shockingly

#

yes

copper nacelle
#

Do you have godmaster in Hollow Knight

#

or 1221

hollow pier
#

oh 1221

cunning lagoon
#

🤔

copper nacelle
#

that's the problem

hollow pier
#

it does something GWfroggyPoggers

cunning lagoon
#

i think im gonna stop playing this stupid game after i get a decent p4 time

#

getting tired

dusky lion
#

kurosh speedrun rain world

rain cedar
#

@fast thicket Did you have 800 geo?

hollow pier
#

run icono

cunning lagoon
#

ill run literally anything other than this garbage

hollow pier
#

only rng in icono is turtles and bosses i think

rain cedar
#

208 geo

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Dash slash is 800

#

Not a bug

hollow pier
#

sean did you update rando more

rain cedar
#

Nothing that I've uploaded yet

#

I have basically no free time this entire week but then the quarter is over

fair rampart
#

Glitchome is a good meme mod, even tho it was created unintentionally

copper nacelle
#

did you put the room dupe fix on the drive

rain cedar
#

Yeah

hollow pier
#

help i zoomed out too far and now i'm nowhere

trim totem
#

zoom out further

hollow pier
fair rampart
#

No limit on FSM Viewer zoom

trim totem
#

hm

#

have you tried zooming out further

fair rampart
#

You can zoom in infinitely too

#

ever want to take forever just to read one letter?

copper nacelle
#

does anyone know how to make particles

hollow pier
#

no you can't just create matter

copper nacelle
#

UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(Universe.Matter);

fair rampart
#

Don't you know the law of equivalent exchange?

leaden hedge
#

yeah

#

you make a particlesystem

copper nacelle
#

o

#

i'm dumb

#

ty

cunning lagoon
#

nice dude

#

the one run that makes it past no eyes dies to a floaty jump

#

wow this game is so stupid

leaden hedge
#

if you were subbed to pewdiepie you'd know that intenseface

cunning lagoon
#

kinda funny how the game used to be a 10/10 for me until i started speedrunning ity

#

now its a 2/10 at most

mortal trout
cunning lagoon
#

the only reason its not a 0/10 is because that number is reserved for jrpg and games where none of what you do matters

#

which kinda fits for hk tbh hollowface

mortal trout
#

should i start speedrunning it at all

cunning lagoon
#

no

#

unless you want to hate the game

#

in which case yes

#

but really

#

its really not fun at all

copper nacelle
#

all glitches is fun

mortal trout
#

would a sub 40 any% nmg run make me hate the game

cunning lagoon
#

it also depends what you run

#

no

mortal trout
#

well i guess ill run it but not seriously at all

copper nacelle
#

run all glitches you fool

hollow pier
#

pokemon is a jrpg

cunning lagoon
#

yes

fair rampart
#

yes, technically

cunning lagoon
#

but i don't speedrun pokemon

#

also i foresee hk going down to 1/10 soon

hollow pier
#

running pokemon GWfroggyMonkaMega

cunning lagoon
#

because this shit is pissing me off

#

its really beyond retarded

#

35% chance for no eyes to teleport after each hit btw xd GWcorbinHolyFuck

copper nacelle
#

have you tried

fair rampart
#

Yeah, Flukenest is so bad on No Eyes

copper nacelle
#

not running the game

fair rampart
#

even w/out nerf

hollow pier
#

not much to do in the game tbh

cunning lagoon
#

flukenest doesn't trigger her teleports

fair rampart
#

It does

cunning lagoon
#

no

fair rampart
#

Try it

cunning lagoon
#

i do it literally every 106 run

hollow pier
#

do you also die to baldur shell i hear wr does that

fair rampart
#

Everytime I try it, she teleports instantly before all the flukes hit

cunning lagoon
#

every 106 run that doesn't die to soul twister telefrags or soul warrior softlocks, that is ^^

#

that's just her random chance of teleporting

#

nothing to do with fluke

fair rampart
#

I have never had all of them hit

cunning lagoon
#

fluke doesn't trigger parries, contribute to staggers or anything like that

hollow pier
#

fluke doesn't break collector

cunning lagoon
#

ok tis down to 1/10

#

will it get to 0/10 today

#

lets find out

#

all binds ils was a mistake

dusky lion
#

Wow I'm very late

#

But JRPGs get 0/10

hollow pier
#

ah now you see

dusky lion
#

I'm going to have to arrest you Kurosh

cunning lagoon
#

shut up idiot

hollow pier
#

pokemon is pretty bad

cunning lagoon
#

go speedrun pokemon and tell me it's not a 0/10

fair rampart
#

play a pokemon fan game

dusky lion
#

Pokemon is absolutely garbage

#

But it's not the only JRPG series in existence

#

big brain

cunning lagoon
#

go speedrun ff games and tell me it's not a 0/10

copper nacelle
#

why are you speedrunning if you hate running

cunning lagoon
#

i hate running bad games

leaden hedge
#

nothing wrong with ff games 🤔

hollow pier
#

why do you exist if you hate existing

cunning lagoon
#

kdt im talking about speedrunning specifically

#

not about the games as a casual experience

leaden hedge
#

ye nothing wrong with them

cunning lagoon
#

x

leaden hedge
#

whats wrong with an 8hr run with rng encounters that waste a bunch of time

river eagle
#

it smells like

#

this smell

#

salt.

#

it's almost overwheling wow

cunning lagoon
#

yes i am indeed salty that i can no longer enjoy this game that i used to love because turns out 90% of it is garbage

leaden hedge
#

most of them are actually fine though

hollow pier
#

run payday 2

river eagle
#

lesson learned: games are fun as long as you play them for fun

cunning lagoon
#

payday 2 fits the 0/10

hollow pier
#

payday 2 achievements left

cunning lagoon
#

payday 2 achievements left fits the 2/10

river eagle
#

Why would you even play something you don't enjoy? I mean the sole purpose of games is to entertain.

leaden hedge
#

you'll usually get a pretty standard amount of encounters, and pretty much any other time loss / gain will be menu'ing and not being a monkey 🤔

cunning lagoon
#

because now i have a fucking 12:51 p4 all binds submitted and my sob is 1:30 lower than that

#

and i have to fix it

#

but i can't because it's all rng

river eagle
#

But like do you get some kind of enjoyment from trying?

cunning lagoon
#

no

#

i no longer enjoy playing this game

river eagle
#

Or is the reward of possible succes enough to motivate you?

cunning lagoon
#

i just can't stand having a bad time

fair rampart
#

insert MEGALOVANIA here

river eagle
#

Then why not do something else?

cunning lagoon
#

i really only get pissed off when it's not my fault

river eagle
cunning lagoon
#

if i lose a run to making a mistake i just accept that i made a mistake and that i can improve it on my next one

river eagle
#

RNG!!!! REEEEE

cunning lagoon
#

ok but that's literally what speedrunning a pantheon is

#

let me give you an example

#

cg2 is the first boss

#

when the fight starts he can either empty hop around the arena, shoot the beam out of his hand or do the other beam attack

#

iedally you want the 2nd one to stand besides him and shriek him

#

if he does the 3rd one its fine you can ddark and do some damage

#

but there's nothing you can do to avoid him from just jumping around 2 or 3 times in a row

#

which could waste like 4 or 5 seconds

#

this is 4 or 5 seconds in a 25 second segment

#

and don't get me started on no eyes

#

i really shouldn't have to explain why speedrunning a pantheon is nothing but rng

river eagle
#

Yeah, but notice that it's not a problem at all when you're not trying to speedrun. Maybe whatever you're doing just doesn't fit for speedrunning?

cunning lagoon
#

but it looks like i do 🤔

river eagle
#

I mean rng like that really throws off any results

cunning lagoon
#

damn maybe that's why i said that the game used to be a 10/10 for me

#

until i started speedrunning it

#

but i mean there are many other things that not only affect speedrunners

#

that you start to notice when you do the same shit a thousand times

river eagle
#

Maybe you're not meant to do the same shit a thousand times?

cunning lagoon
#

off the top of my head i can think of traitor lord just literally walking into you

#

like that shit could cost you s teel soul run

river eagle
#

I mean the game is designed for a first playthrough

cunning lagoon
#

and there's nothing you can do to avoid it

#

him and the infected mantis can just decide to do that

#

empty hops are a terrible design choice and one third of the bosses in the game can do it

river eagle
#

Never noticed it myself

#

or found it a problem

#

like probably 90% of all HK players

cunning lagoon
#

bosses being able to parry spells is also very questionable design

river eagle
#

If you start to dig deep enough you can find flaws like this in EVERY single game there is.

cunning lagoon
#

it doesn't even make sense

river eagle
#

And do you expect the game devs to do something about it?

leaden hedge
#

nah

cunning lagoon
#

why would hornet be able to parry a scream

leaden hedge
#

not every game

river eagle
#

Why would they? They designed the game for a normal playthrough.

#

Okay maybe not like tetris but come on

cunning lagoon
#

you may not notice this things on a normal playthrough

#

but they happen

#

if lost kin randomly jumps on you on your first playthrough you may be like "damn i fucked up there"

#

but you really didn't

#

you just got fucked

#

and you don't know it

river eagle
#

I'd honestly say that pretty much everyone would say "hey that was fucking bullshit"

cunning lagoon
#

oh actually i have a very good example for this

#

soul twisters

#

i've seen many threads of people complaining about them

#

and most of the responses they get are "get good"

#

but they really can't get good

#

twisters just straight teleport on top of you

#

straight up

river eagle
#

yep, that is bullshit can't deny it

cunning lagoon
#

and you are telling me that that doesn't affect casual players?

#

yes i know

#

the game is filled with this

#

you know frogs?

#

loodles?

#

the ones that randomly jump and there's no way to predict them?

river eagle
#

it does and I've seen people complain about it countles times

#

and I think that it should be fixed

cunning lagoon
#

anyway i could keep going with the list

river eagle
#

never noticed anything wrong about cg2 though

cunning lagoon
#

there are a billion things wrong with this game

mortal trout
#

kurosh maybe stop running or take a break?

ornate rivet
#

the devs dont make the game with the mind set of, hmmm, how can I make this game as speedrunner friendly as possible

mortal trout
#

you can always come back another time

cunning lagoon
#

you only notice these when you start doing it over and over but it exists and it happens very often

#

saleh i literally just explained how this has nothing to do with speedrunning

#

i mentioned loodles and twisters

#

both of which are very badly designed enemies that affect everyone

leaden hedge
#

implying they tested anything beyond making sure it does the correct thing most of the time 🤔

#

its not like you can get bosses stuck in the ground by hitting them on the correct frame

cunning lagoon
#

ah yeah that too

#

dont get me started on that rofl

#

or the dnail softlock

#

or the hornet softlock (is this one fixed? im not sure)

#

but hey

#

they had to patch out menu dropping

mortal trout
#

well uhh, im definitely turned off from speedrunning this game now

cunning lagoon
#

priorities

river eagle
#

Hm, you're right. Hollow knight is after all fucking shit. All the countless hours I've enjoyed it have been a lie. At least truly I see.

cunning lagoon
#

?

mortal trout
#

he appears to be mocking you

leaden hedge
#

stuff can be enjoyable to play and still shit to actually play

river eagle
#

I mean that yes these are problems but I don't think they make the game a 2/10...

cunning lagoon
#

do you really want me to make a list

#

of every single thing wrong with this game

river eagle
#

but isn't "stuff can be enjoyable to play" literally the main goal of a video game?

#

they're literally designed to be entertaining

cunning lagoon
#

like this is a legit question

river eagle
#

nothing else.

cunning lagoon
#

do you want me to make a compilation

#

because it could take me a while there are many things i can't think of off the top of my head atm

river eagle
#

Yeah go ahead and make a compilation if it makes you feel any better

leaden hedge
#

i mean stuff can be enjoyable at a surface level, but the game can actually be bad 🤔

cunning lagoon
#

^

#

there are so many little things

#

and they all pile up on top of eachother

#

and it gets fucking tiring

#

you know elder baldurs?

#

they have a 50% chance of spitting a little baldur

#

like

river eagle
#

like what?

cunning lagoon
#

they could have made it so they spit one out guaranteed

#

aFTER 3

river eagle
#

that sounds boring

leaden hedge
#

i told graig to buff the range of attacks with FotF to make doing spitless free

cunning lagoon
#

ore whatever number you pick

#

but instead they decided to make it a 50% chance and call it

#

ther

#

we

#

we

#

e*

river eagle
#

is that a problem?

cunning lagoon
#

yes

leaden hedge
#

making spitless "free" would be win / win

cunning lagoon
#

because there's no reason for it to be like that

river eagle
#

it's literally only a problem to speedrunners.

#

once again

hollow pier
#

fun devout backing up immediately 🙂

cunning lagoon
#

i mean

#

if i got a 10 spit on my first playthrough

#

i'd be beyond pissed

river eagle
#

Or well actually you could have bad luck and have it never throw a baldur at you

#

it's possible

cunning lagoon
#

it's a 50% each time

#

so do the math

#

the game has sold millions of copies

river eagle
#

Who would actually count the spits if they weren't running?

cunning lagoon
#

you wouldn't count the spits

#

but you'd be there doing nothing for like

#

half a minute

#

when there's no reason for that to be the case

river eagle
#

holy shit no one would even notice it other than think "wow this is taking forerver" and then immediately forget it after

leaden hedge
#

and you can say why should the devs make the game more enjoyable to run,
its not like speedrunners basically do 24/7 bug testing all the time, and find a bunch of edge cases for free

#

the least you can do is make the close hitbox a little smaller so spitless is viable

cunning lagoon
#

so do you think there's nothing wrong with it being a 50% chance for no reason

#

instead of it being guaranteed after 3 or 4 spits

#

what'd be the downside of the latter option

river eagle
#

having rng does not make a game bad.

cunning lagoon
#

why not make it like that

#

i mean

river eagle
#

it only hinders runners

cunning lagoon
#

it really does

#

ah i actually enjoy talking about this

river eagle
#

Rng is a pretty common thing in most video games

leaden hedge
#

rng is kinda bad game design

cunning lagoon
#

i think there's 2 kinds of rng

river eagle
#

and it's actually a part in them

cunning lagoon
#

there's the good rng, the one you can react to and play around

river eagle
#

it's really not when you're talking about casual playing

#

rng is only a problem to runners

cunning lagoon
#

like, say, the zombies being in slightly different positions each run

river eagle
#

everyone else has grown customed to rng

leaden hedge
#

ais should atleast do things that make sense

#

not pure random

cunning lagoon
#

and then there's bad rng, like baldur spits

#

where you just get screwed and there's nothing you can do

fair rampart
#

Oh, Baldur rng would be bad for speedruns huh?

cunning lagoon
#

so no, there's nothing wrong with there being some amount of variation and rng in the game

#

but that's not the only rng the game has

hollow pier
#

nldg is fun again now that i don't die to dark rooms

cunning lagoon
#

the game can decide to screw you over whenever it wants to, and that's my issue with it

mortal trout
#

well uhh, ive definitely been discouraged from running this game at all

fair rampart
#

There should be a limit on how many times a Baldur can spit without spawning stuff

cunning lagoon
#

and, again, this not only affects speedrunners. see: loodles and twisters

#

yes nathan