#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 284

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 9:54 PM

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so i didn't see it end

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 9:54 PM

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ok

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 9:54 PM

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and then died

fair rampart Nov 5, 2018, 9:57 PM

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I'm confused as to how I do the printscenehierarchytree thing

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do I just change the printComponents bool in modcommon with dnspy?

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to true

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 9:58 PM

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gameObject.PrintSceneHierarchyTree("eeeeeeee")

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e.g

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It has a PolygonCollider so TinkEffect won't work on it

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:05 PM

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so then what do I do

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:06 PM

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gimme a min

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might've got it

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:06 PM

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hollowwow

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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yeah it works

fair rampart Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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do I need to put anything in the quotes?

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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yeah the filename

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 PM

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you don't have to use a file name though right? Doesn't it just drop it in the Mod folder by default?

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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i always use a filename

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like

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eeeeeeeeeeeeee

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📎 eeeeeeeeee

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which is the needle

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 PM

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ok

fair rampart Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 PM

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Isn't it just going to print everything?

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 PM

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no it'll print the go

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@ornate rivet

                        this.needle.GetComponent<Rigidbody2D>().velocity = new Vector2(0f, 0f);
                        this.needle.AddComponent<TinkEffect>();
                        Kin.Log("Error was here right?");
                        UnityEngine.Object.Destroy(this.needle.GetComponent<NonBouncer>());
                        var tink = UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate(GameObject.Find("Needle Tink")).AddComponent<ModCommon.NeedleTink>();
                        tink.SetParent(needle.transform);

fair rampart Nov 5, 2018, 10:09 PM

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        {
            gameObject.PrintSceneHierarchyTree("gameObjects");
        }``` this will work?

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:09 PM

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Yeah

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:09 PM

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THANK YOU

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:10 PM

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yw

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:10 PM

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might as well call this mod: Daughter of Hallownest made by 56

copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 10:10 PM

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zote

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excited to play it when it's finished

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looks fun

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:10 PM

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thanks

vapid cape Nov 5, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Same!

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 10:19 PM

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what's ModCommon.NeedleTink

fair rampart Nov 5, 2018, 10:19 PM

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didn't seem to do anything?

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oh it's because I'm not calling it when the mod initializes

hollow pier Nov 5, 2018, 10:46 PM

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same

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copper nacelle Nov 5, 2018, 11:01 PM

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@ornate rivet it's needle tink but not fsm

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Kerr rewrote Hornet without fsms

ornate rivet Nov 5, 2018, 11:06 PM

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hollowwow

hollow pier Nov 5, 2018, 11:10 PM

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wait i forgot to build ax2ums pumpkin

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and like the 6 other things i was gonna do

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too lazy tbh

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 1:26 AM

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Does anyone know why methodof exists in dnspy but not VS

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GWbratWhy

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if no one minds I might put this in ModCommon https://github.com/Fody/InfoOf

GitHub

Fody/InfoOf

Provides methodof, propertyof and fieldof equivalents of typeof . - Fody/InfoOf

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cause this seems sick

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can't mistype fields or anything cause it won't let you build

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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nice

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 1:33 AM

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Fody has il manip stuff

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I need to ask 0x0ade if it'll break monomod stuff

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or just test it

ember bloom Nov 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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I thought it's Terraria channel

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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u

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this also seems neat

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https://github.com/Dresel/MethodCache

GitHub

Dresel/MethodCache

A method and property caching Fody addin. Contribute to Dresel/MethodCache development by creating an account on GitHub.

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but it's also the same as doing it yourself or using _Data

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so meh

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 2:02 AM

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If you destroy an object with the hooks still enabled, can you check if this == null to see if it's been destroyed?

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The answer is apparently yes

hazy sentinel Nov 6, 2018, 2:22 AM

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😩

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hollow pier Nov 6, 2018, 2:23 AM

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imagine how much faster building that would be on multiplayer

hazy sentinel Nov 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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like 50% faster

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 2:24 AM

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nice modded hk pic

hazy sentinel Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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thanks famous hell mod creator yusuf bham06

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copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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wtf

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consider

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aslkdfasdf

hollow pier Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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what is that i can't tell

hazy sentinel Nov 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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can't even get all souls rn because supersonic soul recipe doesn't work

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it's smooth coal

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Why does it start saving the changes I make to the objects

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I'm using the ObjectPoolSpawnHook

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It's logging old/new name

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and then it's just all new name

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which is blank

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By the end of the fight it keeps that change and it starts affecting Broken Vessel

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which is annoying

hollow pier Nov 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

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oh smooth coal is pretty homo

hazy sentinel Nov 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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yeah i started autotrashing it then didn't have enough to craft anything

hollow pier Nov 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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it's actually decently rare

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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            if (this == null)
            {
                var sre = go.GetComponentInChildren<SpriteRenderer>(true);

                if (!string.IsNullOrEmpty(sre.sprite.name))
                {
                    ModHooks.Instance.ObjectPoolSpawnHook -= Projectile;
                }

                // Broken Vessel Fix
                RevertProjectile(go);
                
                return go;
            }

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why

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this gives me depression

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but it works

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@compact sedge You said it was 5 frames for godmaster bosses, right?

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Or am i horribly misremembering

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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I have 4 frames

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idk I thought it was 2

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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noot

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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but I put 4 to be safe

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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understandable

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I'm killing the stupid find on update stuff

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worked with one frame for lost kin

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noot

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 3:05 AM

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understandable

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I can't read code I just like safety

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:06 AM

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lightbringer has like 3 cause of that

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@vapid cape you can do modded pantheon now i guess

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fixed broken vessel meme

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should i do that randoed pantheon thing

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i'm bored

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Sure! I mean, seems to be something of a market for it.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 AM

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hazy sentinel Nov 6, 2018, 3:14 AM

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really makes u wonder if army ants drop hive minds in hardmode

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copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:18 AM

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warped sinew Nov 6, 2018, 3:24 AM

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Random panth wut dis

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:24 AM

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someone had the idea of rando'd pan5

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except abs rad is still at the end

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

warped sinew Nov 6, 2018, 3:26 AM

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Thats a cool idea.

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Also IG style where it gets faster and faster each boss could be good

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Maybe random + the speed at the same time, would get chaotic

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Lose your run to 5x gruzz mother mfw sadgrub

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:28 AM

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.5/20 timescale for the first 20 bosses then just 1.5x?

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5x maggot

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idk

warped sinew Nov 6, 2018, 3:28 AM

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Yeah just throwing out ideas, you'd have to tweak and test it a bit to make it good

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Or maybe each boss gets faster and faster in each fight

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That could work

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:29 AM

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that'd be cool

warped sinew Nov 6, 2018, 3:30 AM

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You could have settings like IG to set the speed increases and Max speed

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Then go crazy on the panth

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:31 AM

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yea

warped sinew Nov 6, 2018, 3:32 AM

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2x Markoth... Oh god

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:33 AM

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help what is the IL index for right before SetupBossScene, asking for a friend

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:33 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hazy sentinel Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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king slime pretty good

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weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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4 crimson keys tho

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?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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is this #archived-modding-development content

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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#archived-modding-development is #off-topic

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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no

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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u

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:34 AM

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u

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seriously it's been like 99% modding discussion

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and the 1% is veru posting terraria pics

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:40 AM

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It is veru he’s literally meme mann

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:40 AM

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thinking

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:40 AM

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GWchadMEGATHINK

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Also I recall having many general discussions here

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You don’t expect me to go in #hk-discussion do you

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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post 7:11 am it's been all modding discussion

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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Ic

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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do speedruns

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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y I’m not a good player hollowdab

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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do modding

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ax2uMS

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:42 AM

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Trying but procrastinating

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I have both discussion and general muted because I can never go back after staying in this channel, the only alternative is your server that you hold 56butbot on because the emotes are actually good

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:46 AM

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can you take from the end of a list using LINQ

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:46 AM

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uwot

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:46 AM

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apparently it's collection.Skip(collection.Count() - N)

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huh

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:47 AM

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56 u don’t get I am rarted

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ur god but 56

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:47 AM

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think

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you ever kill the game

weak lodge Nov 6, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Multiple times

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 3:51 AM

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a speeding up random pantheon is an... interesting idea, but I'm not sure if it's a good one. Sounds like a good way to bug a lot of crap out.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:51 AM

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it's just a timescale change

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 3:51 AM

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I imagine there'd be more than a few unintended side effects? Or is it better than that?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:51 AM

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it's fine

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 3:53 AM

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I see. If it works, why not? I doubt too many bosses will get straight up BS

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only one I can think of would be absrad lasers, actually

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:57 AM

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[INFO]:IL_006d: ldnull
[INFO]:IL_006e: stfld BossSequenceController/BossSequenceData PlayerData::currentBossSequence
[INFO]:IL_0000: ldc.i4 0
[INFO]:IL_0000: call System.Object MonoMod.RuntimeDetour.HookGen.HookILCursor::GetReference(System.Int32)
[INFO]:IL_0000: callvirt System.Void System.Action::Invoke()
[INFO]:IL_0073: call System.Void BossSequenceController::SetupBossScene()
[INFO]:IL_0078: ret

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am i dumb

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it looks like it should work

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rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 3:58 AM

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What are you trying to do?

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PlayerData.currentBossSequence = null

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BossSequenceController.SetupBossScene()

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That's what that il looks like to me

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:58 AM

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yes

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that's what it is in the method

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    public static void SetupNewSequence(BossSequence sequence, BossSequenceController.ChallengeBindings bindings, string playerData)
    {
        BossSequenceController.currentSequence = sequence;
        StaticVariableList.SetValue<string>("currentBossDoorPD", playerData);
        BossSequenceController.bossIndex = 0;
        BossSequenceController.currentData = new BossSequenceController.BossSequenceData
        {
            bindings = bindings,
            timer = 0f,
            playerData = playerData,
            bossSequenceName = BossSequenceController.currentSequence.name,
            previousCompletion = GameManager.instance.GetPlayerDataVariable<BossSequenceDoor.Completion>(playerData)
        };
        BossSequenceController.WasCompleted = false;
        GameManager.instance.playerData.currentBossSequence = null;
        BossSequenceController.SetupBossScene();
    }

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I'm inserting a delegate which shuffles the bosses list before setup boss scene

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            while (c.TryFindNext(out HookILCursor[] cursors,
                instr => instr.MatchCall(typeof(BossSequenceController), "SetupBossScene")
            ))
            {
                cursors[0].EmitDelegate(() =>
                {
                    object seq = SEQUENCE_FIELD.GetValue(null);

                    BossScene[] bossScenes = (BossScene[]) BOSS_SCENES_FI.GetValue(seq);

                    Shuffle(bossScenes);

                    BOSS_SCENES_FI.SetValue(bossScenes, seq);
                });
            }

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 AM

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What's happening that's wrong?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 AM

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i stare at the wall dramatically

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and softlock

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 AM

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When you try to enter the pantheon?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Yeah

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 AM

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That's fucked

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 AM

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yes

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oh

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[INFO]:Argument is out of range.
Parameter name: index

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i added a try catch to the delegate

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noot

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:01 AM

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But if cursors is empty can you even do anything?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:02 AM

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that's on delegate run

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cursors is fine

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apparently

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Ok then idk where your error is because that's the only array access I see

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I guess you haven't posted it

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:03 AM

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i had this

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        private static void Shuffle<T>(IList<T> list)
        {
            for (int n = list.Count; n > 1; n--)
            {
                int k = RNG.Next(n + 1);
                T value = list[k];
                list[k] = list[n];
                list[n] = value;
            }
        }

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:03 AM

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Wtf

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Starting at end of list and skipping 0

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Skipping 1 too

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:03 AM

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i took it off stackoverflow

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easy

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:03 AM

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Stackoverflow sucks

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That's a guaranteed instant out of bounds exception

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:04 AM

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wow nice

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wait what the fuck

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god tier code

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:04 AM

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copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:05 AM

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weary

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                        BossScene[] bossScenes = (BossScene[]) BOSS_SCENES_FI.GetValue(seq);

                        bossScenes = bossScenes.OrderBy(i => RNG.Next()).ToArray();

                        BOSS_SCENES_FI.SetValue(bossScenes, seq);

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am i dumb

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it threw an exception

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:05 AM

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What's the error?

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 4:05 AM

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smhmyhead is that compact theme

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 AM

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says the person who uses compact GWchadMEGATHINK

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 AM

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Yeah I like being able to read more than 3 messages at a time

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 AM

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only I'm allowed to use that

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well as long as your ide is in darkmode I think we're good

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 AM

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bossScenes doesn't exist

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apparently

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:06 AM

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I prefer a gradient background going from dark to light

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:07 AM

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oh

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i swapped args

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wow it didn't error this time

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and still started at vengefly king

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wow ok my luck was just god

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the next boss was dung defender

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:09 AM

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I had the same shit with initial testing of rando 2

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I steal the fury pickup so something being fury usually meant it broke

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Except for when it didn't mean that

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:10 AM

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zote

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There's not a bench right after vengefly and gruz for the first pantheon right?

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:10 AM

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I don't think so

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Nope, the first bench is after O&M

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:10 AM

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easy

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:10 AM

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That would be dumb

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:11 AM

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apparently benches are boss scenes

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:11 AM

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there is a Godseeker dialogue room after Hornet though

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Remove the godseeker scenes from the rotation tbh

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Pointless lore rooms

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:11 AM

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yeah

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I'll log the array real fast and then kill them

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:12 AM

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Can't wait to do p5 and get every bench in a row at the start

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Then die

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:12 AM

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yes

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:12 AM

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Maybe keep the benches in the same spots

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:12 AM

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yeah

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:13 AM

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The benches being randomized could be fun, I think

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fucks with binding runs, gives them big boons or starves them of their lifeblood crutch

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makes it more rng, but can make the moment to moment progression more exciting

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:15 AM

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I could make it an option

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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the fuck

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I got vengefly at the beginning again

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:15 AM

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room connection randomizer would be cool, and stupid to balance to ensure no softlocks.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:15 AM

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if you don't want it balanced

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📎 RoomRandomizer.dll

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:16 AM

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oh, thats a thing already

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:16 AM

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There's an extremely wip mapping thing pinned

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:16 AM

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yeah it has crossroads mapped

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:16 AM

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Never gonna be finished because it's horrible tedious work

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That nobody wants to do

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:16 AM

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lol

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what is the current possibility of making new rooms?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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kdt said it would be easy iirc

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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so we can get things similar to super metroid hacks

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Making new rooms is just tedious

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Not hard in any way

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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that would really boost this game imho

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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The payoff isn't worth the effort unless somebody makes an actual editor

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:17 AM

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why don't lore rooms have any connection at all

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tc please

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it's just GG_Unn

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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bleh to me and my non existent coding skills!

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Map every room

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Then the room rando is ez

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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I mean yeah but nobody will do that

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Don't need code skill for that

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Only you ever put any work into it

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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what does "mapping a room" entail?

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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I kno

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And Crossroads took me 3 hrs

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Determining requirements for getting from any exit to any other exit for every room

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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oh

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logic map

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Yeah so we can make an actual connection randomizer

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Under conditions for skips and no skips

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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That doesn't just soft lock you instantly

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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ffff

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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How many rooms are there?

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Like 1000?

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Lol

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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so you have to iterate every room with every room in the game

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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400ish?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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498

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but not actually 498 cause those are just scenes

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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So 400 times 4ish is time 2

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Like 100 of those are just GG

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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That's how many lines of logic you need to write

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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yeah

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Also menu, credits, unused scenes

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Knight_Pickup

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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So 3200 cells of logic to map all rooms

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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i would think writing it is the easy part

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Have fun

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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It is easy

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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figuring it out is the hard part

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Just incredibly tedious

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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The mapping is the hard part

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So have at it

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Are the GG_engine rooms the guy talking to you

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Real talk though if someone finished that I would 100% steal it for item randomizer

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Idk probably

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:22 AM

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The mapping?

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Yes

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:22 AM

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i dont think im smart enough to figure that logic out

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lol

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Could just throw it all in one mod, yeah

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Well youd have to have a vast knowledge of speedrun skips

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:22 AM

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which i dont have

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Nah I just mean I would make something to parse the tree into item requirements

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Assuming default arrangement

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See if there's any glaring differences in what I already have

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Well you could also combine the two options. Randomize rooms and items

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So the logic still works

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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so a list of rooms that require x requirements would have to be placed in places located after said requirement was attainable

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Not even rooms.

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Paths

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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true rooms have multiple paths

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Transition to transition

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:24 AM

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The good thing about something like this being done is any time there's a new skip it would be super easy to add in

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Just one spot to change

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:24 AM

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you could maybe reduce the work and just have zone randomizers, that only randomize rooms in that zone, but thats more limiting and less interesting

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:25 AM

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And still full of softlocks

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Most zones if you can get in them you can get everywhere in them

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:25 AM

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It's unn, pk, and uhhhhh whitelady right

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for p5 lore shit

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Wtf is pk?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:25 AM

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pale king

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:25 AM

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Oh ok

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Plus there's a bunch of buildings and one entrance rooms too

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Yeah those can be ignored

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Mapping is just super complicated

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Put anywhere after the fact

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Except items

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Which are in those rooms

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Like shape of unn

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:26 AM

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Makes sense

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:27 AM

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So even within one transition rooms, there's requirements to reach items

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:27 AM

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For the most part nah

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:27 AM

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And in other more complex rooms, there's still requirements to reach items too

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Unn/thorns/sharp shadow

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I can't think of others right now

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:27 AM

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It's a huge web of complexity

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

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also, have fun having the map be updated to reflect the changed layout

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

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And to be anything other than exhaustive isn't good enough

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

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I don't really give a shit if the map is accurate

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

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^

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Like that's not even possible

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

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:joy:

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

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The new layout would 100% overlap

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In almost every case

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:29 AM

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id wanna see it looking fugly just for giggles

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:29 AM

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Could maybe eventually do like.... A small snippet that changes as you move

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Like it only shows the room ur in plus adjacent rooms

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:29 AM

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"why is white palace and the hive overlapped above dirtmouth?"

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:29 AM

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But that's still fucking complicated

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Also still prone to overlaps

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Yup

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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I mean even the actual game layout overlaps

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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where?

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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A ton of places

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They just make the map lie

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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i see

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Would you make it so left can only go to right transitions?

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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i dont mind a lying map

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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And etc

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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id want all teansitions to work with each other

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go left and you enter from the ceiling

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etc

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lol

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Probably do a setting

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Might not even work out to fit all sides

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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the dll i sent tries to do l => r and stuff

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Tries

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:31 AM

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it's fucked tho

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yeah

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WorldNavigation is a good class

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:32 AM

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The problem is that L/R transition count isn't gonna be the same

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:32 AM

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A room and item randomizer is still my ultimate dream. I just need to sit down and put the hours in

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:32 AM

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Because of doors

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:32 AM

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That's what I mean, sean

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It just won't work

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:32 AM

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room, item, enemy, boss randomizer

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:32 AM

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2 of those exist already

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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the enemy randomizer needs work, and i guess the item rabomizer is decent, ive been using it, fun times

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first item i got was dreamnail

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Decent

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Thanks

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Love you too

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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lol

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Well ur playing on ez

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It's not meant to be played on easy

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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i mean i dont know whats good or bad in hollow knight modding

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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If you're playing on easy you can't really complain about it being easy

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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I mean easy should still try to make the dream nail deep in the item tree

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Yeah

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:33 AM

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But "first" probably means fury

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Which is a bit of a special case

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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i liked getting it firat so i could dream nail stuff i otherwise wouldnt be able to

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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BTW.... Rando 2 would be great of gate was randomized

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So 2 DN pickups

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It's just too scarce right now

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3 was too much

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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i wish gathering swarm was a little closer to the start

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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IMO item randomizer really needs to mix up some relic locations into it all. The "problem" with it is there's not too much surprise in where you can find stuff, and the majority of it is open as soon as you get access to the 2 shops.

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Yeah my plan was to make a shop component and place one of those on the seer

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But I got like halfway through making that and got bored

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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if something important is in said shops, game's over, pretty much

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Play on hard

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Shops are treated as a single location for progression items

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Stuff is rarely in shops

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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^

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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On hard

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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i got crystal dash and descending dive like in the first five minutes lol

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Yeah. Cuz easy

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 AM

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1 hour in and i still dont have normal dash or wall climb

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:36 AM

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I got Isma's out of Salubra's shop, I think Mantis Claw was in Sly's, and the rest of my stuff was just scattered around waiting to be picked up. I was also on hard.

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Easy assumes you know zero skips so it has to give you a ton

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Once you get claw it's incredibly easy

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:36 AM

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claw is ezmode

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:36 AM

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I actually want to make a no claw mode

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Where it just doesn't exist

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But it's work so idk when

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Soon ™

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Lol

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:36 AM

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I never played again after that just because I didn't really find it as stimulating as some other randomizers, Hollow Knight's not really got THAT much gating in it.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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noot

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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You can pretty much reach about anything once you have 2 or so main pickups

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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make a mod that adds colored doors and colored keys

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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play the seed mys gave races

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it'll change your perspective rapidly

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Keys for specific doors is actually a neat idea

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Or play more than just 1 or 2 seeds

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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So you can't just get into waterways free with the sly key

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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can you make chests in hk require a key?

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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I could play more seeds but I got too distracted with a bunch of boss mods

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Yeah you could

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You can do basically anything

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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put items in chests with random key requirements

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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The nice thing about unity is almost everything is possible

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It's just hard

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Just hard cohhMy

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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another option is make crystal dash drain soul

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Why

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Should I keep PV and stuff at the end of pan4 and pan1 and stuff

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or no

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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such that some places rrquire multiple filled soul vessela

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to reach

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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I do think the randomizer could do with some more mixing up, though. I'd be happy if it was just relic locations randomized along with everything, but these other weird ideas sound neat too

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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try another seed

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please

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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No you wont

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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so you put access to a thing behind soul vessel shards

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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There's too many relics

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You'd hate it

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Crystal dash is barely even a progression item

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It matters in like 1-2 spots

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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make claw require soul per jump lol

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that could get annoying

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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CH just makes things faster.

supple sigil Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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is this room rando

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Adding a restriction to that is just silly

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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item rando

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Add a soul requirement to jumping

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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this works i guess

📎 OmnesDeorum.dll

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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Room rando DNE

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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i didn't add the speed stuff

supple sigil Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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is there a room rando in progress?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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unless someone maps out every room no

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Map all rooms

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Kthx

supple sigil Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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a pantheon rando at least would be cool no joke

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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that's what i just posted

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GWchadMEGATHINK

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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I'll check that out here in a moment, 56

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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or go really brutal and add super metroid walljump mechanics. when you hit a wall, you gotta wait for a frame to trigger, then hit the opposite direction, then hit jump again

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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are bench rooms mixed up or are they still in the usual spots?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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mixed

supple sigil Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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i didnt click on what you just posted cause context

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Sweet.

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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3 benches in a row

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Kthx

supple sigil Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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(there wasnt any)

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Should make a brute force room mapper

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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does order by random always leave the first one in place

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or do i have god tier luck

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Try every set of inputs that takes < 1 minute

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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i've had vengefly all 4 times

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Would only take a few years to run

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Lol

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Every set of inputs for every set of items for every transition in the game

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Maybe a few years is too optimistic

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Mapping all the rooms would probably take me like..... 60 hours

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I'd rather just run rando bingos thx very much

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:43 AM

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but imagine how cool the mod would be

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totally worth

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:43 AM

#

u

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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56 what are you doing

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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i made pantheon rando

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as requested

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milky can you tell me if you get vengefly king as the first guy

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Imagine the 15 people who would take advantage of all that work

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Oh boy

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Sure. I'm about to go in

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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Randomly replace relics and grubs would be neat

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eith eachother

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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after I update Lost Lord

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

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The room mapping could be done so fast if more people knew shit about the game

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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y e s

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Right now there's probably only 3-4 people who know enough about randomizer skips to do it

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

#

^

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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sorry im too pleb to do it

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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i apparently just had god luck

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4 vengeflies in a row

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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lol

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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and then sheo

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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Mod likes its creator

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:46 AM

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bench as second room

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is this loss

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

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remove benches noob

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

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that could be an option

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

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More benches

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

#

no

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

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And make them checkpoints

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

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I think whenever hornet comes out I'm gonna try to make a mod to play as hornet in the main campaign

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Assuming she has a different one, which she probably will

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

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Should be easy

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Probs

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Maybe

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:47 AM

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It really depends on how she moves

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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It'll be broken af

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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For what changes you need to make it work

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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I got Vengefly as well

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Like 90% chance she'll be more fun to play than the knight

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Hold right and periodically press dash

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Fun gameplay

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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She likely will have way more mobility than reginald

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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who is reginald?

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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The knight, I guess

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Who you think

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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lmao

#

really

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i figured his name was nigel or something

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Smashing

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Then Gruze Mother, then Oblobbles. For a moment I thought something went wrong, lol

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Gruze

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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nice

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:49 AM

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Excuse u

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It's empress muzznik to you

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 4:50 AM

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56 you did something weird

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Remove muzznik

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 4:50 AM

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there's no way that happened randomly

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:50 AM

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Make lightbringer great again

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:50 AM

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give hollow knight the hitbox of a pixel and the ability to fly, but make every enemy shoot bullethell levels of bullets

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cruz mother would be hard mode then

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

#

cruz

young walrus Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

#

Tom

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

#

santa

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

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yeah cuz you'll be cruzin for a bruzin

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

#

                    List<BossScene> scenes = bossScenes.Where(x => x.sceneName != RAD && !LORE_GARBAGE.Contains(x.sceneName)).OrderBy(i => RNG.Next()).ToList();

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is this not random

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

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TouHou Knight

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

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should i be using cryptography random or something

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

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LORE_GARBAGE

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

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First fight this time was Flukemarm

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I'm going to go all the way on this one and see what happens

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:52 AM

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hopefully it works

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:52 AM

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That should be random idk what RNG is

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:52 AM

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new System.Random

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:52 AM

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Hopefully System.Random

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Ok

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Build an lfsr for randomness

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:53 AM

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maggot

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I'm trying unity engine random

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:53 AM

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New levels of desperation

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:53 AM

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it's still vengefly

#

why

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:53 AM

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lmfao

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Flukemarm, bench, enraged guardian, bench

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:53 AM

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cg2 is very difficult

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i have no idea why this isn't random

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:54 AM

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Oh I see the stackoverflow code you tried to steal

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📎 unknown.png

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You translated it to a for loop

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But wrongly

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Good job

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:54 AM

#

noot

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oh it does n-- at the beginning

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:55 AM

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Idk try

list.Sort((l, r) => RNG.Next(3) - 1);

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 4:55 AM

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what does that mean

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

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It means sort it

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But randomly

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

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why do things do things starting from the last element and going down?

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Idk

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Sometimes that has use

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I don't see the purpose here

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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This is kinda bonkers. I'm liking it.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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it's still vengefly

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Did you try what I put?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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yes

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Oh no

#

That doesn't make sense

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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It's not hard coded either

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It's in the list

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Do it again

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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alright

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

#

and if you wanna tell me that it's 2% faster to count down than count up my counterpoint is it's about 3 times faster to use fully optimized c instead of c#

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Why stop at C?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Not even writing machine code smh

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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Just make perfectly optimized asm

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 4:58 AM

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honestly, gcc is better at optimizing code than humans are at this point.

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it could probably become sentient

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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My order so far is Fluke > bench > Enraged Guardian > bench > sly > SoB > Grimm > DD

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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SoB

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Son of Bitch

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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did you know vengeflies are nsfw

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also it's still vengefly

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Honestly Clyde should just be disabled

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It doesn't stop explicit images

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It stops things randomly

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:59 AM

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yeah

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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I think the vengeflies might be the first fight on the first run always?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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Yeah but why

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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Look into the fsm for the menu that starts it

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Probably hardcoded transition to vengefly

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:00 AM

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but if you die and use the menu again it works

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Idk

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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the 1st one should be cg

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but it's not

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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Yeah, I dreamgated out and went back in, Flukemarm was then first

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

#

if (!died) Vengefly();
else CheckList();```

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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depression

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

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Why did discord make one of those functions blue and another not blue?

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

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and here's vengeflies in this one, which is good. For a sec I was worried that quitting out may not reset progress

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

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discord's code highlighting has ascended

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

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as in, the reason vengeflies weren't first the second time was because I'd already encountered them

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

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I made a huge mistake btw I feel like I'm gonna die

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:02 AM

#

what

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:03 AM

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I chugged two large baja blasts at taco bell before leaving and filled it up then drank another at home

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Because free refills

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Too much soda

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 5:03 AM

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diabetes

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:03 AM

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Not yet

#

Soon maybe

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:03 AM

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sean why are you right

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it does rando

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it just shits on the first one

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:04 AM

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Uh oh

#

Here's Flukemarm again.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

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it doesn't even make sense wtf

#

It doesn't go through them in order either

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

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The secret to making mods is to not try to understand fsm

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Just remove it

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

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Soul tyrant should be first but it's dd

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:05 AM

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And remake their shit

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

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but this is code

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or i thought it was

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at least

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:06 AM

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The best feeling with looking into new unity games

📎 unknown.png

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But don't worry lethal league blaze is still fucked up

#

I made a little thing to visualize the inheritance of their player classes

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Hang on

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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wait what

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:07 AM

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copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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is this god

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I might've figured out the rando shit

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it uses the boss scene set before the one i randoed every time i start a new one

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idk how

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soul tyrant was supposed to be first last time and now he's first

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:08 AM

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Ok

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I have an idea

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Of how it works

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Probably starts the scene transition THEN calls the setup

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For some fucking reason

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:09 AM

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It starts hide sequence

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does bindings stuff

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fsm event

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StaticVariableList.SetValue<string>("currentBossDoorPD", playerData);

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maybe this?

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Idk

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Doesn't look like it

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:11 AM

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Bug found. Apparently, the game REALLY doesn't like it when absrad isn't after Pure Vessel

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My hud is gone

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:11 AM

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nice

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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oof

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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I could do this without the IL hook and maybe it'd work

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 5:12 AM

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remove boss intros

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

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u

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what the fuck

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vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:15 AM

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NKG restored it, what a hero

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:15 AM

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i either got 4 benches in a row or starting with a bench is weird

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what's a boom player

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rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:16 AM

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Idk one of the characters

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DoomBox probably

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:17 AM

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i quit out after it logged grimm

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started another pantheon

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and it was grimm

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why

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this is definitely the bug

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 5:19 AM

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just remake the Pantheon system from scratch

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:19 AM

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same

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:19 AM

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Hardcoded binds 😩

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Wtf

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Guys look at UnityEngine.floatf

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It has a 205k element hardcode sine table

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Wait two of them

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Why is this a thing?

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 5:22 AM

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205k

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wtf

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:22 AM

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No I'm stupid this isn't a unity thing

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It's a lethal league thing

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I guess that makes it slightly better

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Tfw array so big dnspy gives up

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I'm not even sure what this class is supposed to be

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floatf -> floatfloat GWlulurdWaitWhat

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copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:25 AM

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wtf

compact sedge Nov 6, 2018, 5:26 AM

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wtf lethal league

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why does every game you try modding look worse and worse

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you started with HK, and then S&S, and now this

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:27 AM

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I still don't understand this class

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I think they're trying to reimplement double but with a long as the backing instead of something sane

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:28 AM

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why

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wtf

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:29 AM

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m

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I don't even know what m means

tidal cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:29 AM

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meters

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:29 AM

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noot

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:29 AM

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decimal

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apparently

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Yeah I just tested it too

tidal cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:30 AM

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1.0

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:31 AM

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You must use decimals because they are more accurate than floating point numbers (double).

tidal cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:31 AM

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haha I know so much python zote

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:32 AM

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128 bit data type

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more precision smaller range

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:32 AM

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128 bits wtf

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You don't need 128 bits for an accurate number

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 5:32 AM

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yeah you need 256

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:32 AM

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28-29 sig figs

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:32 AM

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This reminds me of BigInteger

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Like yeah it's neat

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But wtf is the use case?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:33 AM

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3000th fibonacci number

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noot

tidal cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:33 AM

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precision

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Can we get a BigDecimal class?

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Infinite range mega precision

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:34 AM

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https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/math/BigDecimal.html

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:34 AM

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But that's not C#

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:34 AM

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https://gist.github.com/JcBernack/0b4eef59ca97ee931a2f45542b9ff06d

Gist

BigDecimal

BigDecimal. GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:35 AM

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GWfroggyPoggers

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:35 AM

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alright so, I finished. The only problems were, Pure Vessel hiding hud until another cutscene brings it back (absrad, NKG) and the first fight being real fucky. I'm 95% every single boss appeared and I also had 7 benches, but I fought Flukemarm twice. As both the opener, and a midway battle.

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After the credits I'm gonna walk through HoG and see if anyone was missing.

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Tfw BigDecimal doesn't use IEquatable

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Oh, music's weird too, but that I imagine can't really be helped.

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I fought Elder Hu with the break room music playing, but upon his death the battle theme kicked back up. Same deal with Crystal Guardian, it was silent because nothing told the silence after Sheo to go away, until CG died.

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Ah! Brooding Mawlek wasn't in my run.

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So I'm guessing he wasn meant to be my starter, but Flukemarm overwrote him from last go

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:39 AM

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https://github.com/deveel/deveel-math

GitHub

deveel/deveel-math

A library for handling big numbers and decimals under Mono/.NET frameworks - deveel/deveel-math

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https://github.com/deveel/deveel-math/blob/61b99e127c748f5746baf5c4d2a20ef4c406dcea/src/Deveel.Math/Deveel.Math/BigDecimal.cs

GitHub

deveel/deveel-math

A library for handling big numbers and decimals under Mono/.NET frameworks - deveel/deveel-math

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It has IEquatable

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:40 AM

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I'm betting that's what happened. Everyone else was in my run but Mawlek, and I had a duplicate flukemarm

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the starter flukemarm was no doubt supposed to be Brooding Mawlek

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:42 AM

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ffs

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clyde can die

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@young walrus is this close enough

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rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:43 AM

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Two benches in a row

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Nice

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:44 AM

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oh those were "hidden"

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or something

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hmmmmmmmm

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rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Why do they have that check?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:50 AM

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no idea

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:51 AM

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The real trick is using a uint16 and transforming it to the range -9999 - 9999

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:51 AM

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ascended

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Actually

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Bool array representing bits

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Good number format

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:51 AM

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perfect

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easy big integer

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:52 AM

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That's exactly what's happening. I just did p2, fight 1, Xero. Fight 2, also Xero. Then randomizes like normal, and Flukemarm didn't appear.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:52 AM

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pain

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:52 AM

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these first fights are "overwriting" what is randomizing into them.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:52 AM

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i can just leave whatever's first first i guess

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cause i have no idea why that's happening

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:56 AM

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Maybe. It's certainly the easiest solution.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:56 AM

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did p2 work

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like did it end

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:57 AM

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meme

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I'll do more on that later I have to do homework now

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:57 AM

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what the fuck

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:57 AM

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It did! I'm gonna do a little testing with something else real fast

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:58 AM

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pog

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:58 AM

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I have a suspicion that the cutscene after p4 pure vessel may fuck with things if he's fought early

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:58 AM

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I'll add a fix where it skips the first one only on your first go so that you can actually have a nice first one

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:59 AM

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so I'm gonna go see what happens/premptively tell you it may be a good idea to make sure the p1-p4 finales are also static like absrad

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:59 AM

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alright

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Sneakpeak of things to come after homework

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copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 5:59 AM

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nice

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 5:59 AM

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It'll be a good class

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:11 AM

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WELP

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Yeah, make the usual finales guaranteed, I already found a pretty bad bug

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:11 AM

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what is it

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:11 AM

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Bench was my final room of p2 on this new file

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:12 AM

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infinite bench?

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:12 AM

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the exit doesn't work. I can walk out into a black void and then hit a wall. I'm trapped here.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:12 AM

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wow nice

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:12 AM

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I still wanna see what happens upon an early PV kill in p4 to trigger the cutscene, but yeah, probably ought to do that

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:24 AM

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lasts + first thingy won't actually cause issues

📎 OmnesDeorum.dll

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fuck it'll still have 1 repeat for non-first if you get unlucky

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i'll fix that later

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:37 AM

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Alright. I'll switch to testing that, since p4 surprisingly worked as it should have

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 6:41 AM

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pog

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copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:41 AM

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is this god himself

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 6:42 AM

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😩

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Kinda lazy tbh I should make my own ToString

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:44 AM

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print the bool array

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Nah too easy

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I still have to do homework I just procrastinated a bit with this

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:44 AM

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have calling to string call writeline and return empty

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i thought i was fucking softlocked

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@young walrus here you go

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3 in a row

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@vapid cape p4 worked fine then?

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if it did then i'll just exclude spas cause i got that black thing when it was at the start after quitting out to avoid 3 spa softlock but maybe not a softlock noot

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:51 AM

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p4 worked, yeah. Cutscene didn't even play. It was just acting as if it was a normal clear

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:51 AM

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nice

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this should work then

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pog

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i'll just do a quick test and then release

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i fixed dupes and such

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:52 AM

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also on this run I got 2 PV fights. But, oddly, nobody was replaced. It simply added an extra PV fight in.

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oh, lol

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:52 AM

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oh if it wasn't replaced idk

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noot

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should just be reordering them

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maybe this'll fix it™

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:53 AM

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You about to release that thing? I'll retest it there a couple times

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:53 AM

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yeah

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just need to die like twice

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to make sure it doesn't violently lock

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ok cool working spa

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oh did you get the dupe on p4?

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:56 AM

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I did.

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:56 AM

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yeah i know why

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forgot to remove the last one even tho i added it

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:59 AM

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Sounds like this might be a wrap, soon, assuming I don't find anything blazing through all these pantheons again

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 6:59 AM

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yea

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I want to add the speed thing but that's later

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2am and homework exists

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:00 AM

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righto

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 7:02 AM

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i think that's all

📎 OmnesDeorum.dll

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except the hud thing

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which isn't major so i'll fix it later

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If you have debug mod it has a bind to show the hud again

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Gotcha.

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...Hm. Not gonna like hearing this, but something happened

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Gorb was missing from p1, Oro was fight 2, and the pantheon ended after Dung Defender

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 7:14 AM

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wtf

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I'll look at it tomorrow

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Same deal with p2. Broken Vessel wasn't here, and Sheo was found early

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so it's consistent

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Mantis Lords was the ending fight

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 7:23 AM

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56 c GWmemetownOMEGALUL de

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 7:42 AM

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dlkur GWjiangoOmegaLUL sh cdash

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 7:43 AM

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GWmythiFeelsBadMan

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 8:18 AM

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@vapid cape non-first ones miss the original first guy but other than that this works i think

📎 OmnesDeorum.dll

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i sleep

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i tested it like thrice

rough seal Nov 6, 2018, 8:19 AM

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hi

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:19 AM

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hello

rough seal Nov 6, 2018, 8:19 AM

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you can say to me how to find save file in non steam version?

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 8:20 AM

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it's the same spot

rough seal Nov 6, 2018, 8:20 AM

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ok

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and i beat nightmare king grimm

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:21 AM

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damn nice

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im still stuck at tmg

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the bats get me every time

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 8:22 AM

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it's time for bed smh

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cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:22 AM

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literally woke up an hour ago

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 8:23 AM

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wtf kurosh having a sane sleep schedule

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loss

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:23 AM

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no it just shifts a few hours every day

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now im in the "waking up early" cycle

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 8:23 AM

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hmmmmmm

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bye

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elderbug

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Holy shit this is so much work to do manually I need to write a script to automate it

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cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:24 AM

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hire someone to do it for you

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you could pay me in hkmemes categories

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 8:25 AM

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Ok if you actually generate boolean logic for each number 0-9 for the second/third digit of a byte I'll add backwards pop

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:25 AM

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same

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 8:25 AM

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1-9 actually, you can ignore 0

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:25 AM

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so what you are saying

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is boolean logics start at 1

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 8:26 AM

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You're useless, time to make a python script

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Good thing python won't expect me to add backwards pop

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:27 AM

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Initial test was good, @copper nacelle

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I think that was everyone with no repeats in p1

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 8:27 AM

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p2 was missing first guy from original

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so like

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vengefly

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i mean second test

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for me

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:29 AM

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noot

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Ah, and something's gone wrong. Double Xero in p2

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Oh well. Get sleep

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:29 AM

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@ Xero#4555 @ Xero#4555

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 8:30 AM

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noot

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elderbug

floral furnace Nov 6, 2018, 8:30 AM

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yeah you better run

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:31 AM

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ttacco acq me a stream

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i am the big bored

floral furnace Nov 6, 2018, 8:31 AM

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stream yourself and watch that from another monitor

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:31 AM

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sorry i only watch inferior people

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:32 AM

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wtf

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:32 AM

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not gods

floral furnace Nov 6, 2018, 8:32 AM

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u

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:32 AM

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THREE Xero fights

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:32 AM

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milky you forgot to capitalize a word there

floral furnace Nov 6, 2018, 8:32 AM

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i dont see the problem then hollowface

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Wait I just thought of a """""better""""" way to handle ToString

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:35 AM

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Well, that was weird as hell. Everyone was there, but I had 2 extra Xero's mixed in

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I'll try p5 later and see how that works

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because let's be honest nobody's gonna install this and do p1-4

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:36 AM

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inb4 69420 absradssdsd xD

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what is this mod

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:37 AM

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A pantheon randomizer. Scrambles up the order you fight bosses, benches included.

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:37 AM

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GWfroggyPoggers

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Been having some issues with duplicate bosses and fights being missing.

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Now it seems that's all fixed but the dupes are still around.

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:37 AM

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i wouldn't expect less from a 56 mod

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if it doesn't hardlock your game he didn't make it

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 8:38 AM

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lmfao, funny you mention that

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before he changed them (if he did) bench rooms being the finale of a pantheon was a lock and you had no choice but to dream nail out.

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He said that can't happen anymore, but it was kind of hilarious to see a problem like that STILL come up

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 8:39 AM

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nice

trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 8:42 AM

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does it work properly now

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 8:56 AM

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https://pastebin.com/44bmj0fX

floral furnace Nov 6, 2018, 8:56 AM

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jesus christ

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 8:57 AM

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I know it's pretty beautiful

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😩 💦 💦

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cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 9:11 AM

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rekky by 55 damage

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what a gamer

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 9:21 AM

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Annnd done with p5

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Once more, everyone was there... but there were 2 duplicate Vengefly Kings, and an extra absrad.

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something's going on to dupe the first fight of the pantheon, and for some reason a copy of absrad is randomized into the middle

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Duping the first fight twice, at that.

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 9:24 AM

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trim totem Nov 6, 2018, 9:32 AM

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extra absrad maggot

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 9:32 AM

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extra absrad GWfroggyPoggers

azure vessel Nov 6, 2018, 9:34 AM

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hmmm

vapid cape Nov 6, 2018, 9:35 AM

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It was kinda surreal to do the big climactic finishing move, then just... spawn in next to Flukemarm to keep on truckin

rain cedar Nov 6, 2018, 9:39 AM

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Nobody seems to care about UBoolInt8 but here's another thing anyway

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azure vessel Nov 6, 2018, 9:51 AM

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ok

warped sinew Nov 6, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Remove the benches from random panth plz

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Or have a setting to, thx bby

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@copper nacelle

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 10:32 AM

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That's basically an alien language to me.

warped sinew Nov 6, 2018, 10:33 AM

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Well you see, there are 8 bits in a byte you dope

delicate ether Nov 6, 2018, 10:57 AM

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i actually knew that part 😛

azure vessel Nov 6, 2018, 11:06 AM

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@cunning lagoon nice vid

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 11:08 AM

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thanks dad

azure vessel Nov 6, 2018, 11:08 AM

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adds timed in the title

dies before time runs out

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jk great vid

cunning lagoon Nov 6, 2018, 11:09 AM

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well radiant timed is the name of the gamemode regardless of what i die to

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also just having a timer there even if you don't die to it changes your playstyle completely because you have to maximize your dps while not getting hit

azure vessel Nov 6, 2018, 11:11 AM

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yeah yeah ik

tranquil star Nov 6, 2018, 2:03 PM

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Well, Hello, where i can read about mods?

solemn rivet Nov 6, 2018, 2:08 PM

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wdym

azure vessel Nov 6, 2018, 2:10 PM

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@tranquil star in #archived-modding-help pins

tranquil star Nov 6, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Thx 😃

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 3:53 PM

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did you know that if you rando pantheons it passes it in again as the param

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really makes u

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want to die

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:35 PM

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you ever enjoy supporting multiple pantheons

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        private static BossScene First
        {
            get => string.IsNullOrEmpty(_name) ? null : _firstLast[_name].Key;
            set => _firstLast[_name] = new KeyValuePair<BossScene, BossScene>(_firstLast.ContainsKey(_name) ? Last : null, value);
        }
        
        private static BossScene Last
        {
            get => string.IsNullOrEmpty(_name) ? null : _firstLast[_name].Value;
            set => _firstLast[_name] = new KeyValuePair<BossScene, BossScene>(value, _firstLast.ContainsKey(_name) ? First : null);
        }

        // ReSharper disable once InconsistentNaming
        private static readonly Dictionary<string, KeyValuePair<BossScene, BossScene>> _firstLast = new Dictionary<string, KeyValuePair<BossScene, BossScene>>();

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how do i die

solemn rivet Nov 6, 2018, 4:55 PM

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press F

copper nacelle Nov 6, 2018, 4:55 PM

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i have to use dicts