archived-modding-development

[vapid cape]

yeah, I wouldn't worry about that. if someone has old notch costs they REALLY wanna keep, why are they modifying their game on that file?

[compact sedge]

no it does sorta matter because people don't delete their save files between game versions

and they without knowing, have an unbalanced version of the game

because you all are presumably balancing only around the latest patch's costs

[warped sinew]

just seem liked wasted time to me, time that they could be using to make Hornet instead

[vapid cape]

just sayin though, if screwing over the 2 players stupid enough to mod their legacy file is enough to buy us another glorified charm, then screw em I says

[warped sinew]

The problem is there are pros and cons in having such a small team i guess. The pros are you get good quality game design, story, art etc but the cons are they don't have a lot of time to go back over mistakes/bad code they have made. It's kinda like Wilbo shouldn't be spending time fixing small bugs when that same time could be used to design an entire new boss or enemy or a new area etc.

I guess really they need to hire like an intern coder to go over all the small stuff

and fix up things. But right now I think they are happy to stay a very small team. Who knows in the future they will might grow into a bigger team.

They should just hire @copper nacelle and @hazy sentinel. I'm not sure what Veru would do exactly but fuck it just hire him

[compact sedge]

there's something weird to me about finding all the cracks in hollow knight. Not that I didn't expect them, or expect them in large amounts becuse I did (nearly every game of almost every scope and budget has lots of them), but how, after seeing how terrible so many aspects of it are beneath a beautiful but paper thin facade it is I still like it.

it's not like I was hoping to hate this game after tearing it apart it's just. idk I was expecting to and well, I just sorta don't. You guys are great painters and stage magicians and behind this illusion is a total mess on nearly every aspect.

but I still love it

and I definitely haven't found all the cracks or even half of them

[warped sinew]

Yeah it's interesting. HK is probably one of the most successful games ever made by people who weren't really coders.

[solemn rivet]

Veru is like Lead Code Breaker

[warped sinew]

its probably the best advertisment for unity there is really

like saying hey look you CAN make a game

without a degree in coding

[vapid cape]

IMO, the only REALLY terribly flaw in HK right now is lifeblood glitch.

[warped sinew]

Yeah, I reported it 😉 Might have to wait till Hornet DLC comes out to see it rolled out lol and I have no idea when that will be

[silk jetty]

#297468195026239489 has a picture that needs to be added with a mod to unbalance the game a fuckton

[compact sedge]

Here's my opinion:

The game is poorly coded. Much of the story is a total mess, that has somewhat been patched in GM but is still eh. The combat is in my opinion needlessly weighty, seemingly more out of necessity due to the way FSMs are. Distances on dashes, jumps, etc are actually unpredictable. The art looks absolutely amazing from afar but is pretty basic and nothing special without the lighting or effects. The music is wonderful but much of it doesn't have much to offer on repeat listens. The camera is way too close for a couple of the boss fights. Some adds that should always die in one hit won't like the soul master's because y'all decided giving them more than 1 hp was a good idea. There's sections of level that serve no purpose and have no enemies and are kinda boring on repeat playthroughs to go by. Cutscenes cannot be skipped.

[solemn rivet]

u right tho

[silk jetty]

imma boot up the game with all mods on

wish me luck

with leaving the first area

[compact sedge]

also

hi simo

how ya doin?

instant invisible

👁

[silk jetty]

I can't take damage

[solemn rivet]

[silk jetty]

invisible inverted controls

lifeblood heart instead of fotf

slowed down

[warped sinew]

A lot of your critiques are based off of repeat playthroughs which is fine, but the game is mostly designed and balanced around a single first time experience.

[silk jetty]

chaos mod is beautiful

[compact sedge]

ok but like, you have two literal gamemodes that require beating the game to unlock

so I'm calling semi bs on that

[warped sinew]

i said mostly lol

[compact sedge]

I said semi

[warped sinew]

Godmaster is the exception pretty much, it was like a lover letter to the fans i guess. People wanted a boss rush so they made one

[compact sedge]

but really look. idk if you're gonna have even the tiniest of involvement with TC's next project. But please please for our sake IDK if it's a game as unrelated to hollow knight as possible but take your time with it, y'all have the money to do so.

[silk jetty]

I fell through the floor...

and the darkness went away

then I came back

[compact sedge]

idc if it's a yoshi's cookie style action puzzle game, or a cooking mama clone. I would prefer TGT level of quality not vanilla game.

even if it's half the overall size

[warped sinew]

I think it's safe to say that HK will be their "worst" game in terms of production as they had no money etc

[vapid cape]

Ironic that the "loveletter to fans" seems to have been, at least on the majority's part, mostly rejected. I haven't trolled around forums much but I assume a lot of people are still pissed about Godmaster.

[warped sinew]

It would be strange if their next projects were worse

[compact sedge]

ok but like, here's the thing. MANY (wayyyy too many) devs make a mildly or somewhat successful game. And they decide for their next one they're gonna up the scope 10 times and they make something terrible by spreading themselves wayy too thin. Keep your scope narrow.

My favorite example of this is Valley

Valley is a wonderful if very niche indie game

it's beautiful if very flawed code and execution wise. but it's like hollow knight in that the presentation is amazing

[silk jetty]

valley?

[compact sedge]

and the devs made a bit of money off it. it was a commercial success even if it wasn't THAT popular

and they decided

let's make a giant MMO about trees

like. we have more money than last time, let's put it into a bigger scope

don't do that. keep the scope the same and make the quality better

[silk jetty]

or make the scope a bit bigger but not much

[warped sinew]

I would say make it smaller

an amazing 20 hour game

[silk jetty]

well, I need to commit awaken't so whatever

gnight

[warped sinew]

[compact sedge]

gn

but yeah valley is a great 4 hour game I would highly recommend and its sequel is absolutely an example of devs being like: well we made a good 4 hour game on 50,000 dollars. Now we have 500,000 dollars. So we can make a 40 hour game of equal quality.

[warped sinew]

At the end of the day they are just going to make a game they want to play

so I wonder whats next haha

after Hornet

[compact sedge]

I wouldn't even be upset if y'all just decided to move on rn.

but I guess you promised hornet

so ya gotta do it

[civic hare]

hollow knight has a lot of stuff in it, yeah

[warped sinew]

I would love it if they made a completely different game style, just to see the fan base expand into a new genre

[civic hare]

the experience of the early game is just being surprised over and over that oh my god there's ANOTHER new area??

[compact sedge]

Honestly I know it's really weird but I loved when point and click adventure studio Daedalic made a physics puzzle game.

well idk if they made it or just published it actually

they aren't that big of a studio are they?

[warped sinew]

How many of you mod boiz are making/planning on making a game? you guys defs have the skills

you should go for it

[civic hare]

i've released a few jam games and i've been working on an ascii-based action-adventure thing on and off

[warped sinew]

post jam game immediately!!

i want to play them

[civic hare]

heres my shit https://alekfleischer.itch.io/

[compact sedge]

A long long time ago I was working on a thing called Oak Souls. I'm probably gonna write a book about physics and finish college long before I ever finish that game. Hell I might not finish it. I'm at this place where I don't really wanna make any games because I've played so many perfect games already I don't really see myself offering anything to the world.

[warped sinew]

@civic hare nicee ill check it out in about an hour when i get time 😉

[compact sedge]

not that I'm useless but just that making games is hard and there's a lot to them and they have a lot of moving parts and as a single person I can't really do much. With that said though I'm doing a turn based rpg with some friends as a sorta casual thing at my school just for fun. I'm not taking it very seriously tho and it's def not going on steam

[vapid cape]

I'm nothing compared to these guys, but I've helped with a bunch of others' projects. Only big thing I had was a spot on Relogic's Terraria, but outside of that I'm also on the team for a fan expansion for Desktop Dungeons, a game which... nobody remembers because it's not free anymore.

[warped sinew]

"I'm probably gonna write a book about physics".... WHAT!? are you like a genius or something? please tell me more about this

i did physics in first year uni and barely passed hahaha

[compact sedge]

well I don't have a lot but rn I'm at three chapters of a rough draft and I'm at the point where I'm going back and revising those three before moving on. I love writing and need to do it to survive but I usually get bored and move on after either finishing a short story (1500-2500 words) or abandoning it at around that same length. RN I've written only about 4-5 times that amount but It's kept my interest so I'll probably end up finishing it.

The whole thing's about rocketry and worldbuilding and I hope that people reading it either get out of it a deep understanding for a fictional land or enough knowledge to go to space

so it's basically the most boring, nerdy thing ever. But I'm hoping at least like 3 people find it interesting.

[warped sinew]

Sounds like an interesting read

[compact sedge]

sure, whatever you say.

There's also more interesting threads of politics and war and cultures of this world. Which tie directly into the main plot because the reality is these things play a large role on both how research is done, and what is researched in my story. No love triangles though, or even much of a focus on characterization. Both because I'm bad at it and because there's 120,000 other books you can read if you want that.

There's a common argument in the real world I've heard from strawmen these days that science should stay out of politics but the more I've structured my story and built my world the more I realized that at least in the fiction I'm writing these two things are unavoidably intertwined even though neither wants to be involved with the other.

because rockets aren't cheap and the things you discover launching them are tools for power.

but that's really all I can say for now. I'll keep working on it 800 words a night for the next 6 months and see where I'm at.

[warped sinew]

Yeah I have seen people say "X should stay out of politics". Really nothing should stay out of politics. Everything should be discussed and assessed to see what value it holds to society.

[civic hare]

^hell yeah dude

if i ever finish that ascii action adventure it'll probably have an angry socialist screed or two

[warped sinew]

Someone radient killed URad @civic hare

Its on reddit

[civic hare]

oshit

[warped sinew]

If only I didn't choke 5 times last night I could have been first

Congrats to them

[vapid cape]

I did that earlier today and decided it was too boring to post.

because I just melted her in 2 minutes and it looked really easy because she gave me good patterns

Total snorefest with burst strats

[civic hare]

oh my god it's nail only???

[vapid cape]

Nail only? Now THAT spices things up a little.

lol

video specifies no nail arts, as if that's a restriction.

Why would you EVER want to nail art this boss? it's asking to get smacked

[civic hare]

he still kinda flies through the boss, but there's a lot of really great moments. i held my breath through the whole final phase lol

unfortunately looking at reddit means i had to see this spicy boi

oh god it's multiple paragraphs

[vapid cape]

Yeah, still a quick kill, but he at least really worked for it.

Did you see my recording, by the way? It's not radiant, but a charmless "showcase" fight where I take it real slow and try to show the boss's moves off. Got hit three times, which given my sandbagging and and basic stats, I was pretty pleased with.

[civic hare]

link link link

[warped sinew]

I use a nail build too for urad tho I use shriek in the spike bit cos its really good there

Its a great boss!

[vapid cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jROL3kX1pJA

That was my vid

Obviously.

[warped sinew]

That Markoth thread lol

"Hopefully this will generate enough controversy Team Cherry will notice" 0 upvotes no comments

Hahahahaha

[civic hare]

really great fight! @vapid cape

[vapid cape]

Hey Graig. Question. That radiant kill, did anything look off about it to you? I spell build the fight mostly but I do use Strength, but it seemed like she died REALLY fast compared to what I was getting with my nail work. Does it match up with your experience whacking her down?

she died at a speed similar to using shriek, completely without it. Am I underestimating nail, or does it seem quick to you too?

[warped sinew]

I didn't watch it bit I will right now!

Nah that's correct, he's actuality fairly slower than I was

I get triple hits between the lasers in the spike phase

[vapid cape]

I see. Good.

[warped sinew]

He was only doing single

[vapid cape]

I guess I'm just slow af

I use magic and STILL clock in around 3 minutes average

[warped sinew]

But I don't think he had QS on

[vapid cape]

He didn't, no.

[warped sinew]

So with QS you can jump and get 4 hits on rad when she spawns and then land and shriek

For a shit load of damage, nearly puts her into the second phase instantly

[trim totem]

damn

[vapid cape]

Yeah, I was doing that in my radiant.

Which is also why I called it "boring."

[warped sinew]

I was going to say actually @civic hare she needs more HP I think

[vapid cape]

I wasn't happy with my radiant kill because it just fuckin skips the whole fight besides like 7 moves

Like yeah, no DUH, anyone "can" do radiant if they just burst the boss down so fast that she doesn't entirely have a chance to fight back.

[warped sinew]

I think the fight would be better if her fireballs were slightly slower but she has more HP so the fight is longer/more chances to die

But that's just me :)

[trim totem]

do nail only no charms then

[vapid cape]

My opinion on that is it's relatively fine where it is, but I'd like a slight buff. Mainly because tuning the HP around high level play with optimal charms makes it drag when you decide to play without those instead.

Like, say... the p5 all binds I'm gonna do with ultirad in it someday.

[trim totem]

wh

[warped sinew]

Can you not set attuned, ascended/radiant HP like in the game?

Panth used attuned

So leave it, and buff for the others

[civic hare]

that probably possible, and I was just thinking about that

ascended/radiant is a pretty good indicator that the player is a Hard Core Boy

[vapid cape]

Very true. Sounds like the best of all worlds.

only fucks over charmless radiant but like... there's 2 people max who might really ever try that?

[warped sinew]

Oh milky, you know me too well 😂

[trim totem]

i'd rather it be fair enough to do charmless than just hard so that it can't be spammed

[warped sinew]

(I assumed you meant yourself and me) lol

[vapid cape]

Yeah. I think straight up doubling her HP is too much, but a good collective 800-1000 may do the trick.

Also pretty much. I actually am/was aiming for a charmless radiant. I haven't actually started work on it though

because Atomic Radiance took up most of today's play time.

THAT boss is a piece of shit

[warped sinew]

OK think of it this way nail hit is 30 damage with strength. So 300 HP is ten extra hits. Just work out how many more hits you want it to be

[civic hare]

everyone keeps saying that "ultimatum radiance" is a dumb name and uh, fair
it seemed like a good idea at the time, like the name itself is a final warning and in fighting the boss you're "defying the ultimatum" and receiving brutal retaliation for it

but instead it's just interpreted as "oh it's like 'ultimate radiance' only stupid"

[vapid cape]

Have I mentioned yet that I really like your boss?

[civic hare]

yes but please say it again

[trim totem]

wow don't even know how to spell ultmitate

[vapid cape]

I like your boss! It's cooool. It's neeeat. Absrad seems just kinda dull to me now

[warped sinew]

ultimatum radiance is fine

[analog ermine]

I was on Falcon. Now backing home.

I never been here 3 days and you claim me dead?

@compact sedge

[azure vessel]

i was playing lightbringer

wtf happened to gruzmother

and why she doesnt die

[floral furnace]

she became a 1500 health gruz mother

[azure vessel]

rip

[vapid cape]

EMPRESS MUZZNIK

[azure vessel]

i dont like the fact i have to wait to get soul

[floral furnace]

blue lake is your other choice

[azure vessel]

wat

blue lake = hot spring?

[floral furnace]

no no

the really big lake

is the other alternative choice you can go through for salubra

[azure vessel]

[azure vessel]

door doesnt want to open

[floral furnace]

did you seriously just use base nail for gruz

well anyway leave and come back

i think thats what will fix it

[azure vessel]

yeah did that

also i went city of tears and upgraded

[floral furnace]

oh ok

did you still get the "fuck off youre still weak as shit" message when you entered?

[azure vessel]

yea

almost died anyway

[floral furnace]

nice

[ember bloom]

Well, 3 Mantis Gods aint fun

[copper nacelle]

I recommend

not doing that because I didn't balance around sisters of battle at all

[ember bloom]

I know, just saying

Would it be hard to give Markoth extra shields?

Like 4 🙃

[copper nacelle]

probably not

a markoth buff would be neat

[weak lodge]

that was aimed at me

[copper nacelle]

x

[floral furnace]

y

[weak lodge]

z

[upper grail]

Why not buff ALL of the bosses?

[weak lodge]

Why not buff atomic radiance

[upper grail]

combine the 2.

We get buffs for all including AtoRad

[weak lodge]

Yes

Ngg 2nd phase is now 1st phase also

[upper grail]

I haven’t tried NGG yet, but I look forward to doing it afyer school today!

[analog ermine]

[cunning lagoon]

https://youtu.be/iJ6R4UYB-Yc

i wasn't able to get 5 but oh well

still kinda happy with this

i guess

[sterile pasture]

Do you mod with Python?

[cunning lagoon]

if anyone complains about this boss ever again just send them this

[floral furnace]

C#

[cunning lagoon]

@copper nacelle

[ember bloom]

Not even 5 times smh

[cunning lagoon]

[floral furnace]

DLK just copy and paste it to 5 times and pretend you didnt edit it

[ember bloom]

Not even 1.4.2.4 smh x2

[flat forum]

Not even Ultimatum Radiance smh x3

[cunning lagoon]

the death was the dumbest thing ever so im kinda sad about that

the phase was almost done too

[ember bloom]

Now do it once but with Death's Gambit UI

[cunning lagoon]

not sure what that means

[ember bloom]

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon nice

[cunning lagoon]

might revisit in like a week

and try to get 5 or 6

but i think this does a good job at proving that absrad is a fair and consistent boss

which was the point of trying to this in the first place

[floral furnace]

in the year 22xx, DLK is now an augmented human with a feeding tube doing nothing but play Hollow Knight 24/7, his reason "Because I can"

[cunning lagoon]

[ember bloom]

Well, i was surprised in first place AbsRad was called unfair and inconsistent by some people

But i guess it's coming from some that also said PV is too fast to dodge

[cunning lagoon]

im not surprised

look at how mnany people struggle with nkg

people are just bad at the game

[ember bloom]

↑

[cunning lagoon]

and when they release really hard content and they struggle to get good at it tey refuse to accept that it's their fault

[ember bloom]

Same as in Dark Souls where optional bosses are impossible and unfair

[cunning lagoon]

gael is bullshit and rng

he's the only ds boss i know

[hollow pier]

what about the other boss besides absrad

[cunning lagoon]

yeah pv is unfair

[copper nacelle]

when is 5 pv radiants

[cunning lagoon]

i mean

do you really want me to do that

[ember bloom]

And Sisters are too fast

[flat forum]

Infinte AbsRad when?

[cunning lagoon]

infinite climb

[copper nacelle]

Winged Nosk is bullshit and rng

[cunning lagoon]

pretty sure winged nosk has some wonky hitboxes

[hollow pier]

they aren't that bad

[cunning lagoon]

i might just be bad

haven't really foughty him that much

[hollow pier]

full jump pogo pretty much always gets you over

[flat forum]

foughty

[cunning lagoon]

i do pogo dash pogo

into fball

[floral furnace]

WN biggest offense is that its just Vengefly King v2

[cunning lagoon]

yea

also imo platless nosk is easier

if you are used to fighting him normally

[floral furnace]

i didnt even know nosk tracked you, i thought he just shitted his orange crap from the ceiling in a straight direction

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

what should i go for

56 if you say pv 1.75x speed im gonna crack your skull

[copper nacelle]

pv 1.75x speed

[hollow pier]

he's done it

[cunning lagoon]

💀 🔨 😡

[hollow pier]

hitless when

[cunning lagoon]

Pog

sub 1 fight when

[hollow pier]

impossible

[cunning lagoon]

just use shade soul lol

[hollow pier]

hmmmmmmmmm

i could run any% nsoob with my lag

[copper nacelle]

just use ddark

[cunning lagoon]

free superslides

[copper nacelle]

the superior route

[hollow pier]

damn

[cunning lagoon]

🅱hade 🅱oul

[hollow pier]

what would i bind pause to

[cunning lagoon]

escape

[hollow pier]

no

how superslide

[cunning lagoon]

the wr holder for kp in 6 jumps has it on escape

[hollow pier]

he also has right hand for nail

[cunning lagoon]

sounds superior

[hollow pier]

hmmm

how about /

[cunning lagoon]

is that next to 1

[flat forum]

hey, DLK

[hollow pier]

it's one rightshift away from 1

[flat forum]

can you beat False Knight?

[cunning lagoon]

oh you use right hand for movement

[flat forum]

but

[cunning lagoon]

yeah then escape sucks

[hollow pier]

yes

[flat forum]

only use the PC's power button

[cunning lagoon]

papers what

[floral furnace]

tf does nsoob mean again

[flat forum]

beat False Knight

[cunning lagoon]

no storage out of bounds

[flat forum]

but only button you are allowed to press is the power button

[floral furnace]

ill pretend i know most of those terms thanks

[cunning lagoon]

i cant actually explain it because i dont know either

but its all glitches except storage out of bounds is banned

[hollow pier]

soob is one glitch

where you can go oob with the map

and you can go oob anywhere

[floral furnace]

oh ok, but why is it termed storage tho

[hollow pier]

because you store the map

[copper nacelle]

because you storage the map state

[hollow pier]

it's pretty shit naming we talked about changing it

because people think it means no storage and no out of bounds

but you do both

[floral furnace]

thx for clearing that up

[cunning lagoon]

you have people like this

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

streamer did you just use storage 😡

[copper nacelle]

yes

🅱ollector 🅱ream 🅱kip

[flat forum]

Bollegbdor Bream Bgib

[cunning lagoon]

fr what do i do now

[hollow pier]

106

[cunning lagoon]

sounds like the best option

acrid is getting real close to bopping my any% run

but idk

i kinda hate the cat

the only good part is wk

[hollow pier]

wtf

peaks is god

[cunning lagoon]

true

i forgot

[hollow pier]

actually run all skills

it's like 80% movement

[cunning lagoon]

all skills actually sounds cool

[hollow pier]

it's not even that optimized

[cunning lagoon]

i coujld use it as kind of a stepping stone to longer cats

[hollow pier]

urite

you ever have 5hp entering last 2 wks and end with 1

[exotic venture]

always

but does it matter

you get full heal with dreamers anyway

[cunning lagoon]

taking damage wastes time

[copper nacelle]

getting hit timescale change

[exotic venture]

so only RT gets affected?

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[copper nacelle]

🤔

[hollow pier]

🤔

[flat forum]

🤔

[exotic venture]

ok time to leave hk discord bye

[cunning lagoon]

[flat forum]

[cunning lagoon]

thats the hardest part in a 106 run

whats

[hollow pier]

probably not breaking the game

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

but really

like early game

early sanctum

[cunning lagoon]

ugh

do they do any dark rooms

[hollow pier]

i think you overcharm fury in sanctum not sure

yes they do joni's

[cunning lagoon]

ah

well

[hollow pier]

that's the only one i remember

[cunning lagoon]

back to any% i go

[hollow pier]

wait

in 112 they don't

:]

[cunning lagoon]

im more interested in taking the 106 wr thank you very much 🌞

[copper nacelle]

how hard is ush climb

[hollow pier]

not very

[cunning lagoon]

no clue

[copper nacelle]

i tried it like once and i failed horribly

[hollow pier]

you kinda just spam jump until you get it

[cunning lagoon]

14 upvotes

[hollow pier]

checking the sub

[cunning lagoon]

i live by the "absrad is bullshit and rng" posts

although i haven't seen one of those in a while

[hollow pier]

absrad is actually impossible radiant no abilities right

[cunning lagoon]

sadly yeah

[hollow pier]

[cunning lagoon]

even with claw

the last 2 plats are highe than your jump

i actually laughed at this

[cunning lagoon]

this is not okay

is this sean

[copper nacelle]

yes

[hollow pier]

[daring snow]

Wait, making it through deepnest without lantern got that many upvotes?

[cunning lagoon]

no its just a black image

[daring snow]

What is wrong with people

[ember bloom]

Sadly both Radiances* are impossible without iframes and reach

Sad

[copper nacelle]

just float smh

[hollow pier]

wait

you did markoth

post

to meme 56

the markoth master

[copper nacelle]

u

post false knight to meme ptkyr

the false knight master

[cunning lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2YljcovP7M

[ember bloom]

Fuck

[hollow pier]

43

[cunning lagoon]

truly sad

[copper nacelle]

44 nsoob

stay woke

[hollow pier]

abs sad is bullshit and rng

[flat forum]

DLK help

[cunning lagoon]

what is up papers

[flat forum]

I didn't play HK for a while and now Charmless Radiant is killing my ass

[cunning lagoon]

charmless radiant who 🤔

[flat forum]

any boss

[hollow pier]

markoth starts at 35:21 thx

[flat forum]

I can't even Oro & Mato

[copper nacelle]

Maro

[sic]

[cunning lagoon]

[sick]

[flat forum]

shhhh

[cunning lagoon]

5 in a row was actually free

she was like one or two fireballs from climb

[hollow pier]

now do 5 desolders in a row

[copper nacelle]

do 5 king's passes in a row

[hollow pier]

i could

[cunning lagoon]

just jump

[hollow pier]

i just reset for a good time

[copper nacelle]

do 5 non-garbage king's passes in a row

[flat forum]

do 5 King's passes at once

[hollow pier]

rng based literally impossible

[cunning lagoon]

5 soft falls in a row 🤔

[hollow pier]

what does non garbage mean

[cunning lagoon]

51

[hollow pier]

i've never gotten a 51 in my life

[copper nacelle]

isn't it like 51-52 soft fall 53-54 hard fall or something

[hollow pier]

i actually noclipped through an entire room and still got a 3:35 vs

[flat forum]

56

[copper nacelle]

u

[flat forum]

is there a mod that speeds up death animation and transitions?

like

dream stuff

[copper nacelle]

dream respawner used to exist

[hollow pier]

locked in dream btw

[copper nacelle]

quit out doesn't exist

[cunning lagoon]

softlocked at tyrant

[flat forum]

okay

Just did Mawlek yay

[hollow pier]

👏

[flat forum]

Took me like 4 attempts

I need to get back into the game more

[cunning lagoon]

you absolute liar

you also do the cpeak dark room

[hollow pier]

but that's free

[cunning lagoon]

x

[hollow pier]

even no abilities it's free on 1221

[cunning lagoon]

trinomi told me they buy th lantern

[hollow pier]

they do

later on

[cunning lagoon]

ill just reroute it to buy the lantern 5 minutes into the run

and its gonna be fsater

[hollow pier]

hmmmmmm

[cunning lagoon]

56 stream

@vapid cape is this u

he uses 4568 as hios mvoement keys

actual monster

[floral furnace]

good keybinds

[copper nacelle]

i'm literally in school

[cunning lagoon]

even better

[floral furnace]

hi literally in school

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

im ttacco

[floral furnace]

fuck i have similar timing sched tomorrow

except its like, up to 6:30 instead 🤢

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

blue day 🤔

56 asleep post markoth pics

[copper nacelle]

no

[floral furnace]

yes

[copper nacelle]

kurosh asleep post this

[cunning lagoon]

[azure vessel]

Ouch

[copper nacelle]

you ever air drop people cheese

[ember bloom]

Quite Wowee

[copper nacelle]

i airdrop people cheese as cheese

would recommend

[floral furnace]

who uses airdrop lmao

[copper nacelle]

no one

that's why you abuse it to airdrop cheese

[floral furnace]

understandable

keso 😩

[cunning lagoon]

56 asleep post inefficient code

    def formatVersion(v):
        if v < 10:
            return '00%d' % v
        else:
            if v < 100:
                return '0%s' % v
            else:
                return '%s' % v

[copper nacelle]

stop

no

wtf

just

no

x

[floral furnace]

the fuck

[copper nacelle]

that's the dumbest thing i've ever seen

[cunning lagoon]

haha yes i too understand the piece of code i just posted and am disgusted by it

[copper nacelle]

it's like

you get a number

if the number is less than 10

[floral furnace]

i know right, who uses modulos these days

[copper nacelle]

then you put "00" at the beginning

so like

009

if it's less than 100 it's between 10 and 99 inclusive

so you put a 0 at the front

so like

088

[cunning lagoon]

sounds pretty good

[copper nacelle]

and if it's greater than 100 it just puts it

dumb as fuck

[floral furnace]

f o r what purpose

[copper nacelle]

idk

same length strings

i guess

[floral furnace]

sounds lame

[azure vessel]

56 is lame tbh

[cunning lagoon]

u sound lame

[azure vessel]

[copper nacelle]

you could just like

x.ToString("D4")

reee

[cunning lagoon]

nah i cant think of any other way to do this

nad i have a big brain so you know im right

[floral furnace]

ew using disgusting methods when you can do it manually 😎

[cunning lagoon]

🎺

[floral furnace]

is there lore about this hmm 🤔

[cunning lagoon]

they win again

i have to go for 6 now

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

Kuro youre my hero i respect you so much great work

[cunning lagoon]

thanks im my hero too

[floral furnace]

np

[copper nacelle]

hi my hero too

[cunning lagoon]

does your mom know you use discord in class

im telling her

[copper nacelle]

you ever spend half of health class trying to make your english draft less garbage but still hate it

at least it's a draft

[cunning lagoon]

no

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

the fuck is health class

[copper nacelle]

uhh

health

???

[cunning lagoon]

sounds alme

[ember bloom]

Basically how to survive infinite damage

[cunning lagoon]

[copper nacelle]

:thinkger

[sic]

you see kuro

if you took health

you could just tank radiant abs rad

[cunning lagoon]

i can just ddark into spikes

they do 1 damage

i read the code

[copper nacelle]

woke

[azure vessel]

753 made lightbringer?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[azure vessel]

not a fan of lance attack

[copper nacelle]

localScale x is negative when you're facing left, right?

[cunning lagoon]

yes

why do the mantis warriors have aCCURATE hitboxes

their tiny heads do damage

[copper nacelle]

because PolygonCollider

or multiple colliders

[cunning lagoon]

same

why does my game run like trash now

i hate this

[copper nacelle]

idk

would ~(1 | 2) be everything except 1 and 2

[cunning lagoon]

yea

[copper nacelle]

is there any way to have rb2d gravity pull horizontally

[cunning lagoon]

time will tell

[copper nacelle]

🤔

i want to do the 90 degree mod over 180 because ceilings suck

and walls suck less

[cunning lagoon]

why you gotta diss the ceiling like that

[copper nacelle]

cause it sucks

not flat

and you sink half into it

[cunning lagoon]

wow fat shaming

really wasnt expecting this from you

[copper nacelle]

.

ok so you set use gravity to false

and you add constant force

apparently

[cunning lagoon]

will the game run better if i cap my framerate

it should right 🤔

[ember bloom]

It will sprint

[cunning lagoon]

🏃

soul sanctum worst area in the gME

[copper nacelle]

RigidBody2D doesn't have useGravity

i can read the gravity scale in fixed update and change constant force from that i guess

[cunning lagoon]

#hk-discussion is a gold mine

its staying unmuted

[floral furnace]

kuro can i confess?

i visited lore and asked a question there

[cunning lagoon]

🔔

[warped sinew]

@solemn rivet i showed wilbo your mod installer the other night he loved it. Was happy you made the game easy for ppl to mod. Thought you might want to know

[young walrus]

making copy/paste easy

[solemn rivet]

thanks Graig! Glad wilbo liked it!

it also makes our lives easier, Mick

[young walrus]

no it does

I just like memeing

[solemn rivet]

imagine if instead of just saying "check pins" we had to actually teach people how to copypasta

[warped sinew]

its really great for the updates to the mods, super nice to use

[solemn rivet]

Graig - I have some planned upgrades to it

add option do download and change game versions

[warped sinew]

oh thats a great idea

[solemn rivet]

and also, maybe, save management

[warped sinew]

build a save editor into it too, the ultimate HK tool kit

[solemn rivet]

I'd also have to make the manager only list the mods compatible with the selected HK version

so people would stop complaining about being unable to use the installer with 1221

[cunning lagoon]

👀

[solemn rivet]

idk about save editor, but I can manage a save manager at least

[warped sinew]

yeah its all good there is that great online one

[solemn rivet]

but, yeah, thanks graig!

[cunning lagoon]

np

[leaden hedge]

you can just use the save editor code that already exists

[young walrus]

packaged into the mod manager so I could use it would be nice

😛

[solemn rivet]

how do steam:// commands work?

if I do steam://open/console download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944 this gets passed to the console:

ExecCommandLine: ""C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe" "steam://open/console download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944""
ExecuteSteamURL: "steam://open/console download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944"

[hollow pier]

are you downpatching?!?!!?!??1!1!:

[solemn rivet]

I'm trying to automate downpatching, ptkyr

to add it to the installer

[hollow pier]

o shit

man of the people

[cunning lagoon]

pog

[compact sedge]

@analog ermine because most poeple don't straight up leave servers when they're gone

[cunning lagoon]

stop messing with my friend 😠

[cedar flicker]

Hi, just quickly: how did you say I should launch hollow knight not to launch steam?

[cunning lagoon]

put this in your hk folder

[cedar flicker]

awesome, thanks

Yeah, I found bug

I cant make game windowed, nor can I hover over the corresponding option in menu

The bug is not dependent on any mod, which makes me think it is some kind of weird feature?

[analog ermine]

[cunning lagoon]

[cedar flicker]

What does that mean?

[solemn rivet]

what was that AA?

[compact sedge]

they pinged me last night saying they hadn't left but were doing something or other for 3 days but everyone thought they died

[solemn rivet]

react = draco == ded ? :;

[cunning lagoon]

tldr angle is an asshole to newcomers

[solemn rivet]

@cedar flicker wdym you can't make the game windowed?

[cedar flicker]

cant hover over fullscreen option in menu, cant move to it using arrows, registry changing does nothing

[solemn rivet]

AA: any idea how I might pass a steamcmd command without actually using steacmd?

show sdasda

[cedar flicker]

vid?

[solemn rivet]

ss

[cunning lagoon]

show vid and vagene

[hazy sentinel]

sieg heil

[compact sedge]

you mean like without launching the full steamcmd prompt?

[solemn rivet]

yup

[copper nacelle]

@cedar flicker alt-enter

[cedar flicker]

hmm, my vlc keeps crashing, any simple video capture program?

[hazy sentinel]

just put the HK folder for every single patch in the modinstaller zip

[solemn rivet]

I don't want to install steamcmd together with the modinstaller

I'd prefer to just run steam://nav/console to open the console in steam and download the patches from there

[compact sedge]

You can use the 'runscript' command to execute a text-file script. The file
should have each desired command listed sequentially on a new line. The
filename and extension do not matter; you only need 'read' access to the
file. Each line of the file will be executed sequentially.

uhh wait

idk if that would work

[cedar flicker]

@copper nacelle I actually can't believe I didnt think about it too. You're savior

[copper nacelle]

yw

[compact sedge]

./steamcmd --runscript "file.txt"

or no

[solemn rivet]

no steamcmd

bad AA, bad

[compact sedge]

hold on

[solemn rivet]

I mean, I could install steamcmd with the installer

but...

meh

[hazy sentinel]

print("It seems like you haven't purchased Hollow Knight. To continue using the free trial of Gradow's ModInstaller, please buy the game on Steam.")

[compact sedge]

apparently it's just doing
"$STEAMEXE" "$@"

more or less

[cunning lagoon]

Hello 56 when is stream

[solemn rivet]

where did you find that, AA

[compact sedge]

wait 1 sec

hold on

[solemn rivet]

I've been looking for that

[copper nacelle]

×] @5 ¢®°¶¶} π×÷ ¥¶¶\

[solemn rivet]

[cunning lagoon]

stop mocking me

[copper nacelle]

I'm at school

[cunning lagoon]

Ok when does school e🅱d

[copper nacelle]

4

but I don't get home till 5ish

[compact sedge]

this is steamcmd but only the code that runs on linux with all other code commented out

[copper nacelle]

also math test tomorrow

[cunning lagoon]

4 what

days

[copper nacelle]

4pm

in 3 hours and 37 minutes

[cunning lagoon]

well its 6:23 pm so

hurry up

[copper nacelle]

ok so it ends at 10 pm

and I get home at 11

but math test so idk

[hollow pier]

studying for math omegalul

[cunning lagoon]

wtf dony ou go to bed at 11pm?

[hollow pier]

i changed obs settings to advanced and it made me record at a reasonable bitrate

no thanks

[copper nacelle]

[hollow pier]

changed it to 500 rq

[compact sedge]

wait

no

wrong

I have 0 iq

[cunning lagoon]

do you have nvenc on that

or whatever

[compact sedge]

Fenrir ~/Downloads/linux32 $ ls
crashhandler.so  libstdc++.so.6  libtier0_s.so  libvstdlib_s.so  steamclient.so  steamcmd  steamconsole.so  steamerrorreporter

ur fucked gradow

unless you wanna reverse engineer this

[solemn rivet]

no

I just need

[compact sedge]

or it's open source

[solemn rivet]

to understand

how tf

steam://rungameid/<gameid> works

[hollow pier]

367520

[compact sedge]

its

a

[solemn rivet]

and what can I replace rungameid with

[compact sedge]

uh

idk what to call it

[hollow pier]

closegameid

[compact sedge]

I forgot the word

it's a mime type

[hollow pier]

psychic

[solemn rivet]

because rungameid is not a steamcmd command, I don't think

[cunning lagoon]

mr mime

[solemn rivet]

I checked it

[cunning lagoon]

isnt it fairy too now 🤔

[compact sedge]

xdg-open steam://rungameid/367520 this might work

dunno

[hollow pier]

idk

maybe

[cunning lagoon]

it is

dansgame

[hollow pier]

everything psychic was given fairy

[solemn rivet]

https://github.com/dgibbs64/SteamCMD-Commands-List hmmm

[compact sedge]

try on windows

explorer "xdg-open steam://rungameid/367520"

no promises

[solemn rivet]

it works without the xdg-open

[copper nacelle]

xdg open on windows

[solemn rivet]

https://github.com/dgibbs64/SteamCMD-Commands-List/blob/master/steamcmd_commands.txt#L196

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_browser_protocol got'em

[cunning lagoon]

so how does this crossroads room work

where there are 3 enemies in a corridor

and sometimes you just cant jump

[compact sedge]

yeah it's just a url

that ur computer represents as opening in a certain program

thats how mimetypes and whatever shitty hacky thing windows uses in their place does

[hollow pier]

you mean the husk guard room

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[hollow pier]

it just sucks

[compact sedge]

I say shitty hacky because on windows you can do stuff like make EXEs open in other EXEs which is a really common way viruses are done from 2001 - 2006

[hollow pier]

if the jumper and zombie are on each other you have to jump and pogo the jumper

zombie by the low ceiling is gay

just pray for good rng

[cunning lagoon]

yeah but sometimes right at the end you jump and you hit like

an invisible ceiling or something

and you have to jump wgain

[hollow pier]

tc code tm

[austere brook]

Hello, I was wondering how to bring up the hud again with the debug mod? I can't seem to get it up again

[cunning lagoon]

f1

@copper nacelle check this out

[austere brook]

Thanks 😅

I had just gone into the game again and figured it out

[hollow pier]

make the text bigger

do it

[austere brook]

I was actually trying to set up a new spawn in front of bosses to avoid backtracking, but it doesn't seem to want to work with f7, is there another macro? I can't seem to switch between the bindings pages

[cunning lagoon]

dgate

[hollow pier]

just dgate

[young walrus]

the spawn only works in the same room

it's a hazard respawn

[hollow pier]

doesn't work on semi pixel perfect spots

[austere brook]

Right, but I still don't have dgate yet, and f7 in the same room doesn't work. How do I toggle hazard respawn?

[cunning lagoon]

you don't toggle it

[young walrus]

you can give yourself DG

[cunning lagoon]

your hazard respawn is where you respawn in a room after falling on hazards

like spikes or thorns

[young walrus]

you can trigger a hazard hit tho

with like.... f10 or something

f11?

it's in the keybinds menus

f10 is self dmg i think

so it must be like f9

or f11

[hollow pier]

or f13

[young walrus]

[austere brook]

How can I switch between pages in the bindings menu?

Thanks

[cunning lagoon]

click the button at the bottom of the window

[young walrus]

^

[austere brook]

But I can't use the mouse to interact with the UI though

[cunning lagoon]

you have to pause

[hollow pier]

what

[young walrus]

press esc

or pause

[austere brook]

Ohh right, sorry for being an idiot

[solemn rivet]

sigh opens Rider

[cunning lagoon]

will it still be called mod installer when it does things other than installing mods 🤔

[hollow pier]

mod and stuff installer

[cunning lagoon]

are all hard falls in king's pass random?

that doesnt make sense

nvm

[cedar flicker]

Hi, so, I've decompliled Assembly-CSharp and changed getsaveslotpath method to return relative path, but when I try to compile it, it gives me like 34000 errors. Should I install some dependencies, or something like that?

[leaden hedge]

you don't decompile the entire thing

[cedar flicker]

It probably isnt dependency problem though. Basically all errors are "Character \u003C not expected"

[leaden hedge]

just the method

[cedar flicker]

Maybe decompilation error?

[leaden hedge]

are you using dnspy

[cedar flicker]

dotpeek

[leaden hedge]

I think dotpeek can only decompile

you don't want to decompile just edit IL

[cedar flicker]

what is IL?

[cunning lagoon]

individual level

[leaden hedge]

Intermediate Language

[cedar flicker]

oh, okay

[leaden hedge]

if you know how java works

it gets "compiled" to byte code

then a vm runs that

C# works the same way with IL instead of byte code

[cedar flicker]

Sorry, I knew that, I do C# for few years, I'm just not familiar with all english abriviations

How do I compile single method though?

[leaden hedge]

well dnspy lets you decompile 1 function and recompile it

[cedar flicker]

oh, okay

[leaden hedge]

you just right click it in dnspy and select Edit Method (C#)...

and you can write your c# in the window that pops up and it'll convert that back to IL and replace the IL of the target method

[cedar flicker]

how do I download it? it seems to be Visual studio plugin or something? It isnt in usual downloadable extensions in Studio...

[leaden hedge]

it should just be a stand alone program

[cedar flicker]

okay

[leaden hedge]

https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/releases

[cedar flicker]

perfect, thank you

[leaden hedge]

some stuff it struggles with, but 99% of methods will work fine

[cedar flicker]

that method is one line, so I guess that wont be a problem

[leaden hedge]

yeah it works fine, theres a modding hook for it with the api

thats how moresaves used to work

[cedar flicker]

yeah, but I dont think there is anything to do with the location of saves, is there?

[leaden hedge]

GetSaveFileNameHook

[cedar flicker]

wait

i saw that, but you cant modify that path, can you?

[leaden hedge]

I mean I think you could just do /../../../../../ to go up levels

[cedar flicker]

I think it is actually working just with filename, not filename with path

[leaden hedge]

its a path

[cedar flicker]

but there are no \ in example

[leaden hedge]

Path.Combine(this.saveDirPath, base.GetSaveSlotFileName(slotIndex, usage));

[cedar flicker]

wait what

omg

[leaden hedge]

and base.GetSaveSlotFileName(slotIndex, usage) returns what ever you put in GetSaveFileNameHook

although I guess you could also try editting this.saveDirPath

[cedar flicker]

the example on documentation doesnt actually seem to have anything to do with that method

that is what I wanted to do, just the long way

[leaden hedge]

https://radiance.host/apidocs/Hooks.html#getsavefilenamehook

I can't permalink on github modding docs

[cedar flicker]

I had it open, but I dont understand it

I will probably just try the saveDirPath path

[leaden hedge]

I think you can do

(Platform.current as DesktopPlatform).saveDirPath;

although both those variables are private

so you'll need to use reflection

[cedar flicker]

Hmm, I am getting "The type 'MonoBehaviour' is defined in an assembly that is not referenced." Should I add the reference?

[leaden hedge]

ye just drag all the dlls into dnspy

[cedar flicker]

okay

should I remove those that were there before?

[leaden hedge]

shouldn't matter

[compact sedge]

@leaden hedge this is a permalink and it also updates whenever I run a command to update the site which just lemme know if you ever change anything on the docs.

[leaden hedge]

i mean i cant permalink to github

the link button doesnt work

[compact sedge]

ok

[cedar flicker]

@leaden hedge When I edited the class and hit compile, did it overwrite dll immediately?

[leaden hedge]

no

file save module

[cedar flicker]

Yeah, I broke it

But it looked promising 😄

[leaden hedge]

i'd just make an api mod that changes the variables

[cedar flicker]

Yeah, Ill try that

Is there a way to find all uses of variable? I know studio can do that

[leaden hedge]

right click it

analyze

[cedar flicker]

thanks

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon reeeeeee

[leaden hedge]

ree ur mum

[copper nacelle]

u

[leaden hedge]

no uer

[cunning lagoon]

gonna have to make ti bigger

[cedar flicker]

do you think I could just set Application.persistentDataPath to costant value somehow?

[leaden hedge]

isn't that an old version

[cedar flicker]

Idk, thats what I have from steam

[leaden hedge]

I think in gm its platform instead of application

either way, yeah you can, realistically no

I think thats an extern string

[cedar flicker]

it is

oh, wait

im a dummy

what is the working directory of hollow knight? the place where exe is?

[leaden hedge]

should be

[cedar flicker]

am I wrong thinking this should work?

[leaden hedge]

should do

[cedar flicker]

well, doesnt seem to

[leaden hedge]

do you have that folder made

[cedar flicker]

when I do this, I cant save

yeah, I do

[leaden hedge]

try the full path

[cedar flicker]

I think I might have wrong format of path

ok

OMG OMG OMG

it totally works

thats soooo cool

Ill try loading from some config

thatll make experimenting easier

oh, I probably shouldnt have had the second slash there

[leaden hedge]

api has setting files built in

although you'd need to use reflection instead of just setting it

but you'd actually be able to distribute that, unlike a dnspy mod

[cedar flicker]

Yeah, to be honest, I dont really understand the documentation of API

[leaden hedge]

tbh all you need for this is just a super simple mod

it just needs to edit that variable in its start

[cedar flicker]

API allows editing variables of core game?

yep

no slash does it

path totally relative

[leaden hedge]

you can edit any variable you can get a reference to

its only vanilla code you can't edit easily

you can runtime do the same stuff dnspy is doing

but its hella jank

[cedar flicker]

okay

ill look into it

[leaden hedge]

but all your api mod needs to do is

public class MyMod : Mod {
    public MyMod(){
        DesktopPlatform dp = typeof(Platform).GetField("current", BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Instance).GetValue(null) as DesktopPlatform;
        typeof(DesktopPlatform).GetField("saveDirPath", BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Instance).setValue(dp, "save/");
    }
}

[cedar flicker]

Whoa

dude

you're really nice

[leaden hedge]

stuff that uses the built in settings is slightly different

you do public class MyMod : Mod<PerSaveSettings, GlobalSettings> {
and

    public class GlobalSettings:IModSettings
    {
        public string saveDir { get => GetString("save/"); set => SetString(value); }
}

although I don't know if thats the functions for String

although I can't find an example of someone saving a string in a settings file, im sure you can 🤔

[cedar flicker]

thanks

[leaden hedge]

I went and checked the github, strings do work, and it does work like that

[cedar flicker]

When I have:

public partial class PortableSaves : Mod
{
public PortableSaves()
{
DesktopPlatform dp = typeof(Platform).GetField("current", BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Instance).GetValue(null) as DesktopPlatform;
typeof(DesktopPlatform).GetField("saveDirPath", BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Instance).setValue(dp, "save/");
}
}

the Mod is red

[leaden hedge]

include the modded api as a reference

[cedar flicker]

yeah, I have it

[leaden hedge]

are you using dnspy?

you make api mods in visual studio

[cedar flicker]

no, I am currently using VS

jeez

[leaden hedge]

are you using Modding?