archived-modding-development

[civic hare]

h

[copper nacelle]

my infinity is an infinity interface meaning it contains all infinities of all types

[floral furnace]

kuro how do i make good bullet art

[cunning lagoon]

yea but u have the gay

[dusky lion]

dumbass

[copper nacelle]

u

[floral furnace]

all i can see online is pixel art

[floral furnace]

i, thanks

[dusky lion]

heres your bullet art

[floral furnace]

thanks

wtv ill jsut bribe my sis to force her to make me one

[dusky lion]

hk coding really makes me want to open a red door into my flesh praise be to the darkness

Also I've lost the ability to focus on anything in my surroundings

this really makes me want to mod rain world instead

@copper nacelle my patience has run out

[copper nacelle]

rain world code makes me die irl

it has like one monobehaviour total

[floral furnace]

yeah but no fsm

[civic hare]

are there proper map editing tools yet?

i'm no artist, but i feel like with clever editing and repurposing of existing assets you could accomplish a lot

like how kingdom's edge uses deepnest stuff

and adding stuff to the map is the most exciting prospect to me about modding hk

[cunning lagoon]

ill try to beat it rq before going to sleep

[civic hare]

tfw literally just went to bed

[copper nacelle]

i added something for quitting to menu for the one i'm putting on the drive

[cunning lagoon]

.done

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[cunning lagoon]

this is gonna be so fun to speedrun

im not sure if the quick drop through the second room is possible

i hope it si

alright gn

[copper nacelle]

gn

it's on the installer now

and i'm gonna head to sleep as well

[exotic venture]

[analog ermine]

Alpha Primer: shooting a wall of 5 bullets, sometimes backward that comeback to its body. Sometimes shooting egg bullets that spawn three Aspids hatchlings

Evolution of Aspid

[analog ermine]

What you think

Not to over power?

[native wing]

uh

in what numbers would it appear

[analog ermine]

One or two

Depends on room

[native wing]

co,m,p lex i,t,y

[analog ermine]

?

[copper nacelle]

you ever wanna die

[quick flare]

?

[flat forum]

heh

[quick flare]

whut

[exotic venture]

always

[analog ermine]

welp

let me tell abaut bosses

Son of Rahhak hiding deep in darkness catedrall, pretty close to one special dream warrior... with a blood of god surrounded by priests and lava, he feels like king and will challange every aproaching warriors to fight with him and his mind who everyone fear. even thought he still is really loyal to his people, and defend them from dreams.

quess... wich of them is he close to?

[native wing]

quess

[analog ermine]

theres no dream warrior named this way

[native wing]

Does the Eternal Ordeal afeected by enemy randomizer?

[young walrus]

doubt it

[analog ermine]

Heh

Any
quess?

Its not that hard

[brazen stream]

How would I go about changing a set of sprites and using them in game

[leaden hedge]

if the sprites are the same size as the sprite you want to replace you can just replace the texture on the object

[brazen stream]

Interesting

[leaden hedge]

I don't think tk2d does a bunch of weird shaped tris to reduce overdraw like unities sprites, so aslong your sprite fits in its quad you should be fine

otherwise, you'll have to animate it your own way, either in code or with unities animator

[brazen stream]

So if I upload the sprites they'll automatically have animations if I'm just replacing them

[leaden hedge]

yeah assuming you want the same animations, and you're replacing the correct frames with your custom sprite

[brazen stream]

Alright cool

[fair rampart]

whomstve here is

[native wing]

you

[cunning lagoon]

[fair rampart]

[native wing]

sad

[upper grail]

Ok.
ok.
OK!
WHO IN THE FUCK DECIDED IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE A PATH OF PAIN IN REVERSE?

[native wing]

you

wake up

[cunning lagoon]

reverse pop is the best thing that's happened to thiw channel

[upper grail]

who made the pain of the path mod.

[weak lodge]

EXCUSE ME

Someone did nsoob

..

[copper nacelle]

I made it

[weak lodge]

Also

[copper nacelle]

ur welcome

[upper grail]

damn u 56

[weak lodge]

Gj 56 can’t wait to play it

[hollow pier]

backwards is free

literally just falling

except for the one fall that isn't consistent

[weak lodge]

If Kurosh did it that fast I can do it but multiply his time by 3

[cunning lagoon]

it took 56 an hour to beat it

[hollow pier]

56 sucks

[upper grail]

bzzzzzzzzzzzz

[weak lodge]

Kurosh hbu

[vapid cape]

reverse path of pain doesn't sound... too hard, tbh

[cunning lagoon]

to be fair he got stuck in the last room for like 30 minutes

trying to do fancy shriek strats

[hollow pier]

last

or first

[cunning lagoon]

well

first

oops

[hollow pier]

how dude

[weak lodge]

lmao

[hollow pier]

the first one is so free

[cunning lagoon]

i did it in 5

[hollow pier]

you fall then do the spike parts

[weak lodge]

56 question

[hollow pier]

then just climb and fall

???

[upper grail]

yeaaah right

[weak lodge]

How long did it take you to make the mod, I was there last night when you started

[copper nacelle]

uhhhh

too long

[hollow pier]

shouldn't take more

[copper nacelle]

.

[weak lodge]

Did you even go to school or some shit idk

[copper nacelle]

no it's Columbus day

[cunning lagoon]

ok time to lab backwards pop

[weak lodge]

That’s the joke

[cunning lagoon]

i have to know if you can do the quick drop through the second room

[weak lodge]

Dingo

[copper nacelle]

[upper grail]

Fak u i don't have school today

P-T converse

[weak lodge]

it’s Columbus day

[mortal trout]

Woah, there's a reverse path of pain mod.

[cunning lagoon]

so what did you say you added to the version in the drive

[upper grail]

parent teacher conference
I also don't have school on tuesday for something called "gold day"

[hollow pier]

the quick drop is good if the saws are nice

[copper nacelle]

if you quit out it won't be dumb

[hollow pier]

you could probably shriek stall the cycle

[upper grail]

Saws are never nice

[cunning lagoon]

ok

[hollow pier]

it's just down the left side then out twice

[cunning lagoon]

i shall do that

now we have to bug sean to make this a category

in memes

[hollow pier]

just run nsoob

[rain cedar]

Haha

BUG

[cunning lagoon]

also an exit portal would be fantastic

to reset the cycle and to reset runs quickly

[weak lodge]

Sean what’s your icono any% pb?

[rain cedar]

15:40

[hollow pier]

just noclip back

[weak lodge]

Kk

[rain cedar]

Are you trying to beat it?

[weak lodge]

Na was just curious

[hollow pier]

i'll beat it just buy me the game

[copper nacelle]

I could make it so if you hit the saw on the right or something it'll send you back

[cunning lagoon]

sounds good

so far it looks like there might be abyss strats in the first room

starting off strong

or

shriek strats

idk why i called it abyss

[hollow pier]

i just do the forwards strat to be tbh

but slower

[copper nacelle]

if you aren't abusing shriek

then you die irl

[hollow pier]

can you ddark anywhere

[copper nacelle]

no

not afaik

[cunning lagoon]

yeah on the first room onto the thorns

it only works i f you are 56

[copper nacelle]

me irl

[cunning lagoon]

i lied it looks like fireballing is enough

no shriek on the first room

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

I could make it so if you hit the saw on the right or something it'll send you back

this souinds good

BOI

the quick drop is

fantastic

and free

[hollow pier]

do you use the knockback to push you out

that's the galaxy brain

[cunning lagoon]

no i just dodge the saw

[copper nacelle]

video thanks

[hollow pier]

medium brain tbh

[cunning lagoon]

do you really want it spoiled

[copper nacelle]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

ok i will record it after i finish this

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

i nat

will upload soon

i will try to optimize the room a bit more

[trim totem]

do

[cunning lagoon]

fduck you can't be too fast

[hollow pier]

exactly

garbage cycle

[cunning lagoon]

gdi

if im too fast i have to stall with wings

[hollow pier]

wings omegalul

[cunning lagoon]

actually i have a genius idea

@copper nacelle https://youtu.be/xk9-VmPgMMc

[hollow pier]

oh you change sides

i just fall down the left side

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[hollow pier]

the wall above lets you fall off at the right spacing

[cunning lagoon]

oh well thats convenient

[copper nacelle]

sick

[cunning lagoon]

oh wow it just lines up

great

[hollow pier]

if the cycles aren't global you could pull some weird stuff by dropping low early

[cunning lagoon]

i am fairly convinced they are global

[hollow pier]

prob are

[cunning lagoon]

the fireball gives you the exact amount of time you need to fit in there anyway

if only the last room had music

[analog ermine]

Has anybody

[river eagle]

yes

[void tree]

no

[analog ermine]

Want to hear something abaut my mod?

[cunning lagoon]

[exotic venture]

we haven't actually seen anything about it

[hollow pier]

where you live

[river eagle]

You've made a mod? Interesting, please do share it

[analog ermine]

I mading it

[exotic venture]

it's all on paper though

[cunning lagoon]

[exotic venture]

there's no visible progress

[analog ermine]

Ladies and gentelmen, new mod from me: Cherry madness and in it:
Now locations: West Berryier, Snail home and bone forest
Explore the old bug farm giving the food for all rest of kingdom. Now doomed by plague is full of bloodlust plants, farmers ready to harvest soul from others and more!
Whole new Weapons!

• crossbow (50% bestiary ) ( additional weapon)
• scythe (from an boss. Everyone know wich) (main weapon)
• shield ( Coloseum) (additional)
• cherry granades (new location) (additional)
  Charms:
  Snails glue 2 notches
• make you dont sliding of an wall while using mantis claws
• In Unns shape: allow you to stick to walls and even ceiling. (like those Little white ones on howling clifs)
  berry boom 2 notches
• each focus (if you have no lifemask x) give you additional lifemask x made of beeries
• when lifemask x is destroyed it make an explosion around knight
  winged shoot 3 notches
  -simply auto aim for crossbow and soul blast
  6 now Bosses, and 50 enemies
  7 new npcs, and a brand new customization shop

[cunning lagoon]

he's done it

[river eagle]

[analog ermine]

Extented charms: Burning blast: sets enemies in fire after you shot them with soul
Doomed Shrek: when you get hurt near enemies are punched away giving you time to heal
Wing of Rahhak: make you able to thrid jump, hovever you got fall damage
Bloodluster: random chance to heal after killing an enemy

Well

[exotic venture]

you haven't actually made anything though have you

[hollow pier]

doomed

[analog ermine]

I arkady programed Snails Glue

[hollow pier]

shrek

[exotic venture]

you did?

care to share?

or is this non-API

[analog ermine]

But will show it when i get textures from @ashen sluice

[cunning lagoon]

56 why is this still a thing

[copper nacelle]

idk

I fixed it

[hollow pier]

playing on 1432

[exotic venture]

ok so you got rose to make you sprites

[young walrus]

dude just likes pasting this wall over and over

[hollow pier]

this wall

this wall

this wall

[young walrus]

nailed it

[analog ermine]

[young walrus]

I've seen that "this is a mod I made" wall probably 10 times now

[cunning lagoon]

that sounds about right yeah

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon is your QoL up to date

cause that was something I fixed

[exotic venture]

you don't need any textures but a charm sprite for this

[cunning lagoon]

ah

oops

[copper nacelle]

[exotic venture]

and the game already defaults to some debug charms

[cunning lagoon]

[river eagle]

I'm honestly kinda not sure if this is a joke or not.

[exotic venture]

if it's a joke it's a really sad one

equally sad is him trying to add me as a friend on discord

that don't work like that, sorry

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

oh no more notifs

[cunning lagoon]

fuck off i dont restart my game every minute

im not 56

[exotic venture]

you can have a plan but without anything to show that's basically dead in the water

and at this point just a copypasta

[cunning lagoon]

@copper nacelle if you are going to make the saw warp you out make it also give you full health and soul

for maximum convenience

/s but not really

[exotic venture]

too big to handle, too ambitious, too much doubt and 0 actual progress
please return with either videos or a mod dll cuz i ain't buying anything

[analog ermine]

Actually mystery

I wanted you to join group

[exotic venture]

HAH!

that's a good one i'll tell you that

[hollow pier]

multiple instances

[analog ermine]

Im pessemists

[trim totem]

draco just do one thing

[analog ermine]

And i like those

[compact sedge]

ok guys I have this great mod idea. I just need programmers, artists, a team of level designers, engineers. I'll split the profits 70:30 me y'all

[exotic venture]

i'm not a pessimist

[trim totem]

and sure as fuck don't post that wall of text

[exotic venture]

i'm a realist

[analog ermine]

Heh

As world is a bunch of chaos

[cunning lagoon]

what

[analog ermine]

Not a big diffrence to ne

[hollow pier]

world is a bunch of chaos what don't you get

[copper nacelle]

egg machine

[cunning lagoon]

my b i have the big dumb

[trim totem]

egg machine

[analog ermine]

I will maybe work 2 years

[cunning lagoon]

ok 56 i have most of the first room figured out

[analog ermine]

Maybe i will soon or later start to think im to bad for this

[cunning lagoon]

and you are gonna love it

i'll tell you that much

[analog ermine]

But as soon as i got any hope

[hollow pier]

who is this random

[cunning lagoon]

idk some scammer probably

[analog ermine]

I will work, i will help i will cry.

[hollow pier]

bl0ck3d

[trim totem]

add me

[analog ermine]

@trim totem to what?

[trim totem]

not you

[cunning lagoon]

@trim totem where you live?

[analog ermine]

Ok

[trim totem]

ecuador

but not actually

California

[cunning lagoon]

it wasn't an actual question

[trim totem]

send bob

[trim totem]

lmao i didn't see that

classic

[cunning lagoon]

then he might've told him to rip his eyes off and put burning coal in the empty sockets

[river eagle]

^this

[copper nacelle]

^that

[trim totem]

56 is now playing hollow knight

bitch lasagna

[compact sedge]

First I'll nail this roof...

[copper nacelle]

did you know pop has 64 saws

i think

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[trim totem]

then I'll email ur mum

[cunning lagoon]

56 will you want the first room spoiled

because i feel like its significantly better than the second one

[young walrus]

Wholesome email

[copper nacelle]

uhh

no

[cunning lagoon]

good choice in my imo

[analog ermine]

[hollow pier]

was this a mistake

[cunning lagoon]

you get used to it

[hollow pier]

at least obs doesn't capture 3rd party hahahahaa

[summer badge]

it's a mistake because he's always on hk so it shouldnt say he's now playing

he's perpetually on hk

[copper nacelle]

same

[hollow pier]

oh wow he's not blank anymore

[compact sedge]

btw I use arch

[cunning lagoon]

Nice!

[exotic venture]

he's lying you know

[river eagle]

the absolute madman actually uses gentoo

[exotic venture]

only sifty fix would ascend to arch

[compact sedge]

I mean yeah but don't tell anyone

I was talking about 56

[river eagle]

tbh you can't call yourself ascended before you exclusively use Temple OS

[compact sedge]

Temple OS but radiance when?

[river eagle]

when you do it.

[copper nacelle]

                    var tp = CreatePlane(new[]
                    {
                        new Vector3(26.5f, 2.0f),
                        new Vector3(26.5f, 5.1f),
                        new Vector3(29, 2.0f),
                        new Vector3(29, 5.1f)
                    }, "tp", Color.black).AddComponent<BetterTransitionPoint>();

is using var here garbage or no

i feel like having the component type twice is garbage

but also it's at the end

[compact sedge]

honestly I always use explicit variables but you do you tbh

[hollow pier]

haha yes

[trim totem]

are you still working on pop

[compact sedge]

56 accept my friend request kthx @copper nacelle

[exotic venture]

pain of path

[copper nacelle]

just adding the thing kuro asked for

uhh

i didn't get a request

nvm i'm blind

[compact sedge]

[copper nacelle]

you ever just change almost nothing and have your code break

[compact sedge]

you ever comment out a log and have everything break?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[compact sedge]

me_irl

[cunning lagoon]

the third room is gonna be quite annoying

[river eagle]

do you ever just container

[cunning lagoon]

you make it to a very inconvenient cycle

[river eagle]

because I haven't

[hollow pier]

cdash across the top

[cunning lagoon]

i dont think thats faster

[hollow pier]

but it looks cool

and you have to go for the inv drops after

[copper nacelle]

i literally just added 3 properties

and set values i had already set

and it broke

[cunning lagoon]

ok i figured it out

its also a cool room

the camera not scrolling down is the worst about this

[analog ermine]

No eyes

[trim totem]

🅱ale

[copper nacelle]

w t f

i changed like nothing

[cunning lagoon]

ok i have quicc strats for every room

[hollow pier]

good

[cunning lagoon]

just need to polish them a little bit

[analog ermine]

Somone sayd

Polish?!

[trim totem]

yes

[copper nacelle]

@ awa

[cunning lagoon]

stream terraria

[copper nacelle]

ok idk how i broke it but i did

[cunning lagoon]

am i doing it right

[copper nacelle]

oh i figured it out

[trim totem]

did you finish your hw 56

[copper nacelle]

shh

i started on it

[trim totem]

oof

[hollow pier]

ah yes another hk open

[trim totem]

can you not

[analog ermine]

For the Poland!

[trim totem]

you're making your country look bad

[cunning lagoon]

boi i cant wait to do a full run of this

[hollow pier]

then do one

[cunning lagoon]

im practicing

i cant wait to be done practicing so i can do a full run

the tunnel skip feels easier backwards

[hollow pier]

probably since you start from the cancer part and can judge from there

dashing into it is worse

[cunning lagoon]

prob

[analog ermine]

Want you hear somethin abaut my mod?

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon i'd recommend opening the installer

[cunning lagoon]

👀

[tranquil glen]

Dl whens kp tho

[cunning lagoon]

soon ™

[tranquil glen]

Remember with sound but no music

[cunning lagoon]

i hitlessed ngg yesterday now i just need to get a perfect backwards pop

then kp

yeah i saw the ping

also

would it be fine if i did it in 2 segments

[copper nacelle]

is there any way to disable opening hk notifs

[cunning lagoon]

one from the beginning to the s&q

and then the rest

because i reaaaally dont want to do that slow ass beginning every time

[tranquil glen]

Yeah thats fine

[cunning lagoon]

[tranquil glen]

Just no segments mid room

Segmentong at the quit out is ez

[hollow pier]

i think if you make your game info private 56

[cunning lagoon]

you can disable the notifs youself

so like

you can't stop yourself from notifying others

but you can stop others from notifying you

if that makes sense

there's an option somewhere

[copper nacelle]

the game details thing works too

[cunning lagoon]

Ok

[copper nacelle]

wow now i can friend people without killing them with notifs

pog

[cunning lagoon]

how do you pin folders to the left thing

in the windows explorer

[copper nacelle]

drag it there

[cunning lagoon]

ok that was easy

thanks

[copper nacelle]

also right click 3rd option too iirc

yw

[cunning lagoon]

does it give you full health and soul

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[cunning lagoon]

yeeah

this is amazing

it removes the worst thing about running pop

waiting a million years between resets

[silk jetty]

does anybody have a tracker/map for randomizers?

[young walrus]

checking pins

[cunning lagoon]

@rain cedar backwards pop for hkmemes when

ok the 3rd room is really mstupid

[hollow pier]

yeah

the drops are the worst imo

[cunning lagoon]

definitely

im not sure how im gonna do those

[hollow pier]

i can time the pogos fine

the second one sucks

you either do it slow or become a god

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i dont even know what cycle you make there

optimally

[hollow pier]

probably some variant of cancer

[cunning lagoon]

i have to figure out the first pa4rt

ok this is cancer

[copper nacelle]

white palace backwards

good idea or no

[cunning lagoon]

you'd have to change the room where the spikes retract

and do the thing

otherwise it's impossible

[copper nacelle]

whatmst

what thing

[cunning lagoon]

we talked about this a few weeks ago

the vertical room

where you usually drop down

[copper nacelle]

oh

[cunning lagoon]

you can't climb that in time

[copper nacelle]

i could slow those down

[hollow pier]

just pogo like a legend

[cunning lagoon]

pretty sure its impossible no matter what ou do

sub 2 is definitely possible

sub 2 backwards pop*

not even that hard

[hollow pier]

tfw nsoob will be slower

unless i set up dgate invuln

but you don't lose it ever

could wj maybe

[copper nacelle]

ok

[mortal trout]

lol

[cunning lagoon]

i, too, wish this free content pack full of optional, fun and challenging content did not exist

it ruined the game for me to be honest

[mortal trout]

this is every person who doesn't like gods and glory's complaints

[copper nacelle]

@summer badge e

[cunning lagoon]

ok im figuring it out

i'll get a good time soon

[weak lodge]

alright im getting really close to rad gpz

[mortal trout]

gpz isn't rad though

[analog ermine]

Why everyone ignores me?

[mortal trout]

sad

[weak lodge]

this is so sad

zote die

[young walrus]

I bet you're the kinda dude who pays people in "exposure"

[cunning lagoon]

ok this 3rd room is cancer but if i get it consistent its free

the rest i mean

[hollow pier]

3rd room more like 70% of the run

[cunning lagoon]

its the saw tunnel that gets me

but i feel like the 2 tunnels will be just as bad

[weak lodge]

stil dislikes how fast gpz walks

[cunning lagoon]

i think a perfect time is something like 1:30-1:40

somewhere around there

[vapid cape]

pretty sure the reason why people hate said free, challenging content they don't have to do is because it's a blow to their ego

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

for sure

people think they are good at the game

[mortal trout]

that's kind of pathetic though

[vapid cape]

if they had 100% before and can't have their steam profile show that they did all achievements NOW they feel like their perfection was taken from them

[mortal trout]

I have seen people saying the update is bad just because they can't get all achievements actually

they were using it as a legit complaint

[weak lodge]

who that happened to me @vapid cape , but i pushed myself to get embrace the void cause i needed to show i was a dedicated player and the bloated complainers can go nani the fuck off

[mortal trout]

lol egotist

[copper nacelle]

i still need to do binds

[vapid cape]

it happens to me with every Isaac expansion too

[mortal trout]

I need to do binds as well

[weak lodge]

can we make a pan6 mod

[copper nacelle]

milky is p5 all binds worse than ngg

[vapid cape]

1001% I did it all let's stop. ...Nevermind there's like 50 more achievements to get, let's get those and stop. ...Never mind there's like 50 MORE achievements to get, let's stop.

[leaden hedge]

just go get all eu4 achievements

[vapid cape]

also, yes-no. It's a different kind of challenge, but not one I'd say is harder per se.

[leaden hedge]

on current patch, too

[vapid cape]

if you can do a NGG kill there's no reason you can't do p5 all binds with a bit of practice

[copper nacelle]

pog

[weak lodge]

im practicing pan5 all binds rn

[vapid cape]

especially now that Collector's nerfed

[young walrus]

which is harder, flukemarm with no upgrades, or... literally anything else

[mortal trout]

knightmere did you even do the other pantheons all bind

[cunning lagoon]

flukemarm no upgrades

for sure

[young walrus]

you try it?

[cunning lagoon]

well i guess ascended collector no upgrades is even worse

[hollow pier]

kuro when are you snagging that sweet $5

[cunning lagoon]

yeah i gave it a few tries

[weak lodge]

mick im not gonna try it till i perfect every boss

[cunning lagoon]

but pre-gm flukemarm no upgrades was definitely the hardest thing the game had to offer

[young walrus]

well, collector ascended no upgrades is probably impossible too

[cunning lagoon]

yeah 100%

[young walrus]

I barely beat base collector that way

so ascended collector and flukemarm are probably both impossible with no upgrades

[hollow pier]

what i'm hearing here is adds are just garbage

[cunning lagoon]

i mean

yeah

[young walrus]

with nail0, yes

[weak lodge]

AH SHIT SO CLOSE

[leaden hedge]

thats exactly why ngg2 will have adds

[weak lodge]

srsly tho i was so fuckin close

[cunning lagoon]

as long as the adds have decent hitboxes i will be happy

[leaden hedge]

they'll have a box

and it'll be smaller than their sprite

[cunning lagoon]

will it actually have adds

[weak lodge]

gps only has 1400 hp so im thankful

gpz*

[leaden hedge]

yes

he'll spawn grimmchildren

than shoot fireballs at you

[mortal trout]

make gpz 3000 hp

[leaden hedge]

exactly

[hollow pier]

even worse when adds are the main attack

[leaden hedge]

Implying im trying to make good content 🤔

[compact sedge]

they're not adds if they're unkillable :pointingatforehead:

[cunning lagoon]

[leaden hedge]

"I'm making garbage with mechanic"
"Here's a picture of you condemning mechanic calling it garbage"
:bigthink:

[weak lodge]

kdt will the adds last until you kill them

[leaden hedge]

yeah 🤔

why would they kill themselves

that doesn't sound garbage to me

[cunning lagoon]

]

[copper nacelle]

]

[weak lodge]

]

thx guys

[cunning lagoon]

ah did yuo kill him

[weak lodge]

o

[cunning lagoon]

it looks like a stagger

[weak lodge]

he died

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[hollow pier]

should've screened when he explodes

[weak lodge]

was p ez wen i just ddark

[leaden hedge]

adds won't be in until the end anyway

[leaden hedge]

I also hate semi-permanent hazards

so he'll probably have those too

[copper nacelle]

is this death's gambit

[leaden hedge]

no

he doesn't have 200,000 health

[weak lodge]

would you guys think oblobbles are hard

cuz theyre p ez, 1st phase anyway

[leaden hedge]

its not my fault deaths gambit is like top tier garbage boss design

[cunning lagoon]

no

[hollow pier]

oblobbles are free

[leaden hedge]

that im unironically stealing mechanics to make awful content

[cunning lagoon]

ok the third room is cancer

[weak lodge]

absrad, pv and nkg are free right?

[cunning lagoon]

after getting some prac yeah

[weak lodge]

good cause i already did them

[leaden hedge]

absrad

more like

abs rng

[cunning lagoon]

same

[weak lodge]

lies

zote %

[hollow pier]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FairSmellyGrousePlanking

[mortal trout]

absrad more like fair who's with me

[copper nacelle]

nice

[cunning lagoon]

god gamer

[leaden hedge]

that was spaghetti

absrad more like who would even install godmaster and then play it unironically

whens hornet dlc

[weak lodge]

abs rad orbs more like adds rad

[mortal trout]

godmaster more like best content pack

[cunning lagoon]

like

imagine actually considering tgt a better cp than gm

nkg is still my favourite boss but that's all it adds

[mortal trout]

yep

[cunning lagoon]

it's nkg and a very annoying and tedious fetch quest

[weak lodge]

godmaster is nice, but i do agree to some extent it could use some polishing cough pure vessel sprites cough

[cunning lagoon]

gm has absrad pv the nailmasters sob a bunch of cool music and the pantheons

[hollow pier]

tgt adds 6% gm adds 5% stay woke fellas i know what i want

[leaden hedge]

imagine implying I said TGT or HD was good

[cunning lagoon]

im not talking about you

many people complain about gm being worse than tgt

[hollow pier]

hodmaster

hidden mreams

[cunning lagoon]

hogmaster

[leaden hedge]

hidden machine

[weak lodge]

pogmaster

[leaden hedge]

surf is my favourite

[cunning lagoon]

well surf is just the best

it has no downsides

[weak lodge]

hey guys nosk and vengelfy king echo fighter are free right?

[mortal trout]

my favourite content pack was lifeblood

[cunning lagoon]

good typing good attack perfect acc

[leaden hedge]

HD was the best

it actually added mechanics

[exotic venture]

one completely irrelevant and one very annoying bossfight
a fetch quest and thank God two good boss fights + PoP
one (1) bee boi
some nice arena for all old boss fights, a mini boss, a one by one hall for all boss fights and some new bosses and some new endings + bindings pain

[weak lodge]

TGT is my fav

[cunning lagoon]

oh yeah it added pop

i forgot

[exotic venture]

lifeblood obviously best CP

[leaden hedge]

TGT added, 3 badly designed bosses, a fetch quest and 4 awful charms

[civic hare]

my favorite content pack is voidheart

[leaden hedge]

and I can't say about GM

[cunning lagoon]

wdym 3

[leaden hedge]

I haven't played it

[cunning lagoon]

whats the third one

[leaden hedge]

oh wait

WD and GPZ are HD

[cunning lagoon]

[hollow pier]

using surf when scald exists

[cunning lagoon]

yeah but we are not comparing water moves

we are comparing hms

[hollow pier]

oh ok

[cunning lagoon]

there are no other good hms

[hollow pier]

yeah surf is best hm

fly is the only remotely decent one

[cunning lagoon]

ofc scald wins against everything

[hollow pier]

strength is like ok

[exotic venture]

waterfall King's Rock

[cunning lagoon]

yeah but strength is normal type

[leaden hedge]

whens the content pack that balances the game

and adds good charms

[exotic venture]

never

heavy blow forever trash

[weak lodge]

henlo myst

[exotic venture]

hi

[copper nacelle]

bye

[weak lodge]

die

[leaden hedge]

I don't give a shit about trash charms

I want more good charms

[copper nacelle]

sprintmaster is now 3% faster

good charm

[leaden hedge]

x3% or +3%

because both would be trash

[exotic venture]

weaversong now adds to stagger count

[leaden hedge]

just one of them is more trash

[copper nacelle]

it's like 50% faster actually

[exotic venture]

actually decent

[leaden hedge]

50% more or 50% increased

[copper nacelle]

uhh

idk

[leaden hedge]

I assume 50% more

[weak lodge]

56

[copper nacelle]

it's still bad

[leaden hedge]

8 -> 12

not 8 -> 58

[copper nacelle]

yeah

it's 12 or 13 something

[weak lodge]

56 > all

[vapid cape]

Most of the DLC charms aren't THAT bad. Decent effects for their costs, just not top tier speed runner shit

[trim totem]

use no charms for ultimate game

[cunning lagoon]

i mean

not really

[leaden hedge]

they're all awful

[cunning lagoon]

^

[leaden hedge]

like beyond bad

[trim totem]

charms are for nerds

[hollow pier]

they all suck ass

why use anything outside of shaman

[cunning lagoon]

why would you use anything other than sman stone strength etc

[vapid cape]

dream weilder rules at the very least

[leaden hedge]

thats not dlc

thats vanilla

[cunning lagoon]

[trim totem]

for the memes

[vapid cape]

Oh shit

I confused dreamshield and that

[cunning lagoon]

yeah we're not talking about memes here

[vapid cape]

dream shield sucks dong nvm

[leaden hedge]

sprintmaster, weaver, dreamshield, grimmchild are the dlc ones

[copper nacelle]

and they're all trash

[cunning lagoon]

if you try to comparte charms objectively there are 4-5 good ones and everything else is trash

[trim totem]

because life isn't about efficiency it's about having fun 🤗

[weak lodge]

YEET

[trim totem]

turn your brain off 🤗

[cunning lagoon]

i wish

[leaden hedge]

those are awful, awful, ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? wtf is this garbage and awful

[trim totem]

grimmchild and weaverlings are the top tier charms

[cunning lagoon]

there's also carefree melody which is just as bad as grimmchild

and it costs 3 notches for some reason lmfao

[trim totem]

other than compass of course

[weak lodge]

grimm

is

[leaden hedge]

no thats in the ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? wtf is this garbage

[weak lodge]

good

[cunning lagoon]

oh ofc

my b

[trim totem]

sprintmaster should make the game 1.5x speed

[weak lodge]

no rlly depends on your situation but def not somthign id put over top teir charms

[leaden hedge]

well I'd like to have fun, but have minions that don't even interact with you or your enemies is barely fun

and dreamshield doesn't do anything

[weak lodge]

^

[leaden hedge]

and sprintmaster is literally inconsequential

maybe if it worked when you were in the air

[vapid cape]

still though. I think all those charms have a place. They aren't good but people find use in pretty much all of em even if it's not terribly efficient. They aren't ftrength and shaman stone but considering those are the toppest tier DPS increases that's a lot to live up to. I don't mind em being in the game as niche shit to throw on if I feel like it someday

[leaden hedge]

like you are 90% of the time

[trim totem]

it's because team cherry literally does not give a shit about balance

because they have better things to do

[cunning lagoon]

yeah ofc if you are just trying out weirdstuff then they can be fun to play with

[trim totem]

like make hornet dlc please don't come out in 2020 thanks

[leaden hedge]

don't make them then

[cunning lagoon]

but when you are looking for good charms those are not the ones you think of

[leaden hedge]

why waste time making content if its garbage

[trim totem]

i want charms that literally actively hinder you

[leaden hedge]

we have those

[vapid cape]

binding charms TC when

[mortal trout]

only the charms and some bosses in the content packs are garbage though

[leaden hedge]

its called glowing womb and deep focus

[copper nacelle]

glowing womb deep focus dreamshield grimmchild in fog canyon

[mortal trout]

glowing womb is the best charm change my mind

[leaden hedge]

also grimmchild is more of a hinderance than a boon

[trim totem]

i don't use charms anymore lol

nail only no charms best

[mortal trout]

I only use the insanely good charms anymore tbh, unless I actually want to challenge myself

[vapid cape]

deep focus is actually... pretty good as of godmaster actually. Well, outside of the cost. That holds it back.

[exotic venture]

"heavy blow might get reworked"

[leaden hedge]

heal twice as slow for double healing

the only thing it does it doubles healing efficiency on soul

and soul is free

[exotic venture]

well actually I did chat with will about weaversong and how useless it is

... sorta

[leaden hedge]

like hit a guy twice with soul eater on

[vapid cape]

The pauses between fights allows for consistent double heals for up to 4 masks, at a piddling soul cost.

[mortal trout]

deep focus only good if you are bad

[leaden hedge]

just put dreamwielder on

[mortal trout]

it's a waste of space anyways

[leaden hedge]

and get like 200 soul per dreamnail

[vapid cape]

A lot of fights also let you get away with deep focus heals too in the middle of em as well

[trim totem]

i thought they made heavy blow stagger earlier

[leaden hedge]

then go fullheal

timing literally doesn't matter

[vapid cape]

I've been playing hell mod so I've learned these well

[leaden hedge]

you can just heal twice instead

[trim totem]

deep focus and quick focus is the ultimate noob combo

[brazen stream]

Quick focus imo

[leaden hedge]

hell just put quickfocus on instead and double heal in normal time

but quick focus is also garbage

bottom of the bag awful trash

[trim totem]

is it tho

[exotic venture]

seen worse

[leaden hedge]

quick focus could make healing take 0 frames

[brazen stream]

I feel personallu attacked

[trim totem]

you don't have to be so extreme

[leaden hedge]

and it'd be never equip tier

[mortal trout]

The only charm I use that isn't insanely good anymore is mark of pride

[trim totem]

because you don't get hit xd

[leaden hedge]

nah

[vapid cape]

It isn't, we just have a haughty good player acting as if anything that isn't the best of the best is garbage because he doesn't personally need it

[leaden hedge]

until enemies have like 1.5k hp

[brazen stream]

I take an average of 12 hits per second

[leaden hedge]

spells are always better than healing

[vapid cape]

quick focus is EXTREMELY good come on

[trim totem]

milky

[leaden hedge]

even if you get hit constantly

and once you get to 1.5k hp enemies

[cunning lagoon]

implying kdt is a good player

[leaden hedge]

I hope you can dodge

some what

[mortal trout]

quick focus isn't complete garbage, it's ok

[brazen stream]

Or don't dodge and just cry

[mortal trout]

Though I'd never use it

[leaden hedge]

even if you face tank

[trim totem]

calling quick focus complete garbage is spicy take

[leaden hedge]

you should still use all your soul for descending dark

[brazen stream]

I think it's tasteful garbage

[leaden hedge]

the damage and iframes you get out of it, is better than the 1hp

[vapid cape]

That's kinda the point I'm trying to make here. There's such thing as a middle ground. Crutch charms have a place in the game too.

[leaden hedge]

well its not even a crutch

it doesn't make the game easier

[brazen stream]

It does

[leaden hedge]

its the same reason glowing womb is awful too

just press the spell button

its really good

[trim totem]

minion build is a legendary meme

[mortal trout]

nail builds are good as well though

[leaden hedge]

maybe if spells weren't straight up broken

[trim totem]

that's why you don't use spells

[leaden hedge]

then charms that use soul either directly or indirectly would be ok

[mortal trout]

you can make your nail broken as well though

[brazen stream]

How lmao

[leaden hedge]

if you have nail4, f str and fotf

[copper nacelle]

56 damage/hit is pretty good

[leaden hedge]

its almost as good as using spells

[vapid cape]

spells are never worth using ever. You don't need them to beat the high end 1.5k bosses and you need soul anyway so, I hope you can use the nail at least a little.

[mortal trout]

fury of the fallen is really good

[brazen stream]

Is that the one mask charm

[mortal trout]

yep

[brazen stream]

You imply that I can stay at one mask

[leaden hedge]

well its a lot easier when you do 56 damage a hit

[mortal trout]

most of the time you can stay at one mask

[brazen stream]

Nice one

[leaden hedge]

and it takes like 8 hits to change phase on nkg

he does pillars once

nice phase m8

gg

[mortal trout]

just do nail build then overcharm with shaman stone

[leaden hedge]

nah

cause soul eater / catcher

are better

[mortal trout]

Nail is fun to me so I use that

[leaden hedge]

than doing more damage with nail

[mortal trout]

I've used spell build and it's efficient af though

[leaden hedge]

and you don't need 1hp

[cunning lagoon]

i mean if you are looking strictly at dps

strength qs fury is better than spells

but spells have iframes etc

[leaden hedge]

spells are also ranged

[cunning lagoon]

and dont require you to be at 1 health

also that yeah

[leaden hedge]

and downpatch to 1.1.1.4

where fluke does 144 damage

[mortal trout]

that's a bit too broken for me sorry

[leaden hedge]

nah its fine

you kill WD in like 25 seconds

[mortal trout]

yeah that's totally fine

[trim totem]

TENDRILS

[copper nacelle]

same

[trim totem]

what's your top ten games kdt

[cunning lagoon]

i got a 1:52 and it was a pretty bad run

i'll aim for a 1:40-1:45

the tunnels are still cancer

[warped sinew]

QF turns NGG into a joke fight. It is extremely good

[trim totem]

graig do backwards pop

[warped sinew]

You can find heal points that don't normally exist and with some bosses that can make you nearly invincible

[leaden hedge]

you still have to hit enough to kill stuff if you just used that soul for damage

it only has a chance of being ok versus ngg

because he has 3200 hp

over double anything in base game

[copper nacelle]

abs rad has like 2500

[warped sinew]

Invincibility gives you infinite DPS if you think about it :p

[leaden hedge]

no

and you still have to hit the boss 3 times to heal

[trim totem]

graig no

[copper nacelle]

2

soul eater, qfocus, str

iirc

[leaden hedge]

doesn't matter really

[warped sinew]

Sorry, it gives infinite damage

[leaden hedge]

that gives you more spells

infinite damage doesn't matter

bosses don't have infinite hp

they have 1600

[copper nacelle]

you can't spam spells nearly as much in ngg tho

[leaden hedge]

I forgot ngg was in the base game

[copper nacelle]

same

[leaden hedge]

and quick focus was balanced around it

mb

[warped sinew]

Right I mean if your goal is to win fast its not as good but if your goal is just win its perfectly fine

[leaden hedge]

if your goal is to win

not fast, not slow

you should use your soul to cast descending dark

assuming you don't whiff completely

the fight will be easier

i.e. you have to hit the boss a similar amount of times per time you get hit

but the fight will take half as long

[trim totem]

theoretically sure, but practically that's not how it n works for people

[leaden hedge]

that's not my fault people get nervous at low hp

panic, try to heal and die

[exotic venture]

QF makes it able to heal in even the tiniest of gaps so that might make them able to not die while panicking

[leaden hedge]

also I dunno if I could give an accurate top 10
I like Eu4, Dwarf Fortress, Factorio, Path of Exile, Celeste, Monster Hunter 4G

[tranquil glen]

Not mhxx?

[copper nacelle]

shenzhen io

[leaden hedge]

I only play XX because its on switch and still better than MHW

[tranquil glen]

Yeah i dont like world

[copper nacelle]

hollow knight not even in top 10

[tranquil glen]

Doesn't feel like moster hunter

[leaden hedge]

its too casual

[tranquil glen]

Yeah

[leaden hedge]

if I wanted to play a super easy game I'd play dark souls

[tranquil glen]

Is opus magnum by the shenzen io people?

[leaden hedge]

yes

[tranquil glen]

Thought so

I like that game

[leaden hedge]

TIS is good too

chemreactor and infinifactory are eh though

[tranquil glen]

Whats TIS

[leaden hedge]

also infiniminer which is the game minecraft is half based off is made by Zacthronics too

TIS-100

[silk jetty]

I just had ddive and ddark in the abyss

in a rando

[tranquil glen]

Ah i haven't played it

Have you played human resource machine and that new one?

Can't remember what its called all of a sudden

[leaden hedge]

HRM is too easy

[tranquil glen]

7 billion humans

[leaden hedge]

the new one is 7b humans iirc

[tranquil glen]

Yeah

[leaden hedge]

I think theres only one awkward puzzle in HRM and its the prime factorization one

which I don't even think is meant to be done by the "engine" you're given, so all the solutions are just major hacks

[copper nacelle]

is hk in your top 30

[tranquil glen]

I'm really bad at these games

[cunning lagoon]

is hk in your top 4220

[leaden hedge]

actually speaking of hk

[tranquil glen]

I jus like them

[leaden hedge]

SotN is in my top 10

human resource machine has no real limits

[mortal trout]

hk is in my top 1

[leaden hedge]

besides ram

so you can just write code to solve the problem really ram efficiently

and implement that

[tranquil glen]

Im stuck on level 31 or something of 7b humans

[leaden hedge]

I dunno if 7b humans is harder than HRM

I didn't want to buy it because I got through HRM in like 4 hours or something

[mortal trout]

what's the hardest game you guys have ever played?

[tranquil glen]

Jesus kdt

[leaden hedge]

I think half the time was writing out bubble sort for the final puzzle

cause bubble sort is like 200 instructions or something dumb

define hardest game 🤔

[tranquil glen]

Did you like use actual code

Im confused

[leaden hedge]

I just thought how I'd solve it in an actual program if I had an asm compiler

then just translated that to the game

[mortal trout]

one you thought gave you the most difficulty in completing

[copper nacelle]

write your code in c# then decompile to il then translate it

ez

[leaden hedge]

I still haven't beat dwarf fortress FeelsBadMan

one day ill win at this unwinnable game

I don't think you have enough "ram" to emulate csharp in HRM 🤔

oh you know what else is a good game in this "genre"

silicon zeroes

nethack is really hard to beat

most people take years to beat that

[trim totem]

56

what's the hardest game u played

[hollow pier]

p5

[cunning lagoon]

sad but true

[trim totem]

56 stream pale prince

[warped sinew]

Dwarf fortress I have not heard that game in a long time. I only knew one person who played it he would tell me to play it all the time

[leaden hedge]

tbh if you don't count games about thinking strong, the hardest games are probably pick your poison from a listing of fan games, that aren't designed to be beatable by humans in a reasonable time

[warped sinew]

Now he is telling me to play factory game? Or something

[trim totem]

wh

[leaden hedge]

which factory game

infinifactory or factorio 🤔

[trim totem]

factory game