#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 239

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:55 AM

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jump

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quick cast and down

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:55 AM

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your invinicible through the startup

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dd has A LOT of iframes

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:55 AM

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even if the ability is ingame

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:55 AM

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even after a major nerf, its only a few frames

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:55 AM

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you have to work around it

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:55 AM

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that you can get hit

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:55 AM

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if you really dont want the player to use it punish the player from using it, not remove it

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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ok im listening

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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like using it on the ground makes the ceiling fall rocks

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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what would you do

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alright that actually sounds good

vapid cape Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Aw fuck, I gotta go. Shit's happening

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bbl

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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or you can have breakable spameable platforms instead of ground

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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first time I've seen bbl in 25 years

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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what if simo ban

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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and if you use dd you fall

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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what's stupid is you calling ddark and shade cloak balanced

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but i think that's a good solution

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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shade cloak is balanced

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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x

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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yea

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:56 AM

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it even has a cd

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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debug mod oemplus is balanced

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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if it didnt have a cd okay but the cd is fine

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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ddark not too mucj

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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shade cloak isnt' balanced

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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it makes so many attacks so much less interesting to dodge

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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considering every single boss is designed to be beatable naked with just nail

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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if it didnt have a cooldown it def would be unbalance

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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except radiance

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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and tl

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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i guess

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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maybe they changed that in gm

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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and wd

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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the problem again

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is not shade cloak

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thing about this:

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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wd is free nail only

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:57 AM

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oh yea

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jumpies

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:58 AM

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shade cloak is a mid~late game ability, so most bosses are not designed around it, even so, its not 100% required to beat the game, again, bosses have to be dodgeable without it, so they cant really be designed around shade cloak

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:58 AM

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yeah but nkg still gets fucked by shade cloak

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:58 AM

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the only boss that has a pattern like that is traitor lord because you need shade cloak (or isma i think) to get into quenn's gardens

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:58 AM

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you can get trapped by pillars and be fine because sc

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uppercut is super easy with sc

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divekick is easier with sc

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everything is easier with sc

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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making patterns around what the game offers instead of removing abilities gives bosses more appealing and original combos

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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you can even dodge part of puffer with sc if you fuck anything up by dashing against the wall

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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and the player has to think more what to do

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its way better than removing the ability in the fight

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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wtf do you have against casasasaual players

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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like i said, punish the player

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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its like saying you should pretend flukenest doesn't exist on 1.1.1.4 and ignore the fact it literally destroys every boss in seconds, or solve it by giving stuff like 8k hp

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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Really the game is designed with the first playthrough on mind, obviously. In that case shade dash is just fine.

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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flukenest is a garbage mechanic

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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is it though?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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shade cloak is a garbage mechanic

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 12:59 AM

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'mechanic'

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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the first time i killed nkg i only took one hit

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because i shade cloaked through literally everything

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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cool

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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it took no skill whatsoever

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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yeah the first time you killed it

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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lies

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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after dying multiple times

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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no, you are comparing different things

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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yeah and i would've died way more times had it not been for this one broken ability

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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flukenest is actually bad design

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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flukenest suck

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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so is sc 🤔

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:00 AM

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and giving a boss more hp doesnt make it more hard but more painful and boring

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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so the entire ability should not exist just because it makes a single boss easeir in the game?

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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dodging anything with sc is like 3000% more free

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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hal the point i'm trying to make is

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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it makes everything easier

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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the ability is absurdly broken

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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ngg uppercut is just one example

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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the ability itself is fun to use

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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you just can't deny that

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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and that's how it was originally designed

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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theres no timing or skill involved with it

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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if you deny that the shade cloak is broken i just don't know what the fuck to tell you

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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its literally just a get out of jail free card

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for any attack

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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oh no this game became easier,,,,,, AAhhhhhhhh

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🤢

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:01 AM

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like it even dodges ngg stuff for free

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even like p2 pufferfish on old ngg

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you can just dash into the corner and dodge whatever happens

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:02 AM

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you can still dash down through balls

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:02 AM

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shade cloak is not that easy to use unless you have several hours with it and specially if you know enemy patterns before hand

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:02 AM

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I'm not denying that it can make the game easier, but still. The game wasn't designed originally for what you guys are using it for

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:02 AM

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makes puffer way easier

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no need to care about the balls if you're invin to everything that's not spikes

civic hare Oct 6, 2018, 1:02 AM

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remember that shade cloak is a late game item (relative to other permanent upgrades). it’s basically the screw attack of hollow knight

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:02 AM

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and in my personal experience shade cloak only makes dodging more interesting

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:02 AM

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wdym shade cloak isn't easy to use

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you just press dash and you are invulnerable

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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its got more iframes than a dark souls roll

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and it has no startup

vapid cape Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Back already. But I want to point out another attack shade cloak breaks and it's on PV. Be honest, do any of you know where his throwing knives go or try to read them and actually dodge, or do you just mindlessly phase through the entire dangerzone without actually looking to see if you were ever in danger in the first place?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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you just press it if you might take damage

vapid cape Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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because pretty much everyone does the latter

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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if you really want to make shade cloak useless in a fight implement a proper mechanic with BLACK projectiles that hit the player even if he uses shade cloak

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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oh c'mon why does absolutely everything have to be about skill? Can you not enjoy a video game otherwise? Or at least let other people enjoy it?

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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something that the player can link to the shade cloak

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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next person to say shade cloak is eat rat penis

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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well the thing is hal

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im not sure if you have been following the argument since the beginning

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:03 AM

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because we're making content thats for better players

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not casuals 🤔

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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but we are talking about a modded boss meant to be insanely difficult

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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well I probably haven't

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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you are making a boss for challenge

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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ohk

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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and also for fun

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right?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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no

vapid cape Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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I don't think shade cloak should be gone from the game either, no. It's fine as it is.

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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then what are you doing

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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no fun allowed here

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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have you played ngg1 🤔

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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yeah

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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i had fun with ngg1

vapid cape Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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but there really is an argument to be made about how it can fuck with boss design

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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The only thing I saw being argued was that shade cloak should be removed for being too OP

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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its supposed to be 2 things

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garbage and hard

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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lol general milky became eat rat penis

river eagle Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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so I guess I missed a bit of what was being discussed

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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p1 was fun

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 AM

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yeah well i would straight up remove it from the game if i was a dev

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but that's not an option

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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it should just have less iframes

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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so we mean this fight specifically

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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again

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why are you blamming the ability

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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now i don't think just disabling it for the fight is a clean solution, and i think wyvern has some cool ideas

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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when you can work around it?

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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yrd

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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projectiles that hit the character

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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BUT you can't say it's not op because that's just wrong

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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even with shade cloak

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breakable platforms

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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because working around it means either putting in unintuitive mechanics

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or giant slow hitboxes

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:05 AM

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or failing rocks after dd

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no

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no and no

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intuitive is:

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:06 AM

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delete #archived-modding-development @bmobdfs

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:06 AM

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i mean at this point i have to think you are purposefully ignoring what i'm saying

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:06 AM

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show windup with a clear intention -> show attack -> finish attack

vapid cape Oct 6, 2018, 1:06 AM

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I'm not a designer so 56 can do whatever he wants, but I do understand shade cloak very well and know how it changes how you'd approach different attacks, and how this could effect 56's boss negatively. That's why I'm here backing the argument up.

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:06 AM

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intuitive is having ground that breaks, like literally every other boss

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or random shit happening when you shade cloak

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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its not op, if it was op everyone could just do radiant nightmare first time with it

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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what

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what even

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ok

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i cant

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lmao

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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what

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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shaman stone is op

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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i cant beat radiant nightmare grimm even with shade cloak

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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everyone can't do radiant nightmare with 144 damage flukenest first try

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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it's not op unless brizzy can kill wk first try with it

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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and 144 damage flukenest is broken as fuck

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:07 AM

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WHat even amirite teamcherry

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:08 AM

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and no, its not unintuitive, you are wrong with that, if you properly show the stuff, its fine

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:08 AM

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yeah cuz 144 fluke doesnt exist concurrently with radiant nkg lol 56 u dum

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:08 AM

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there is a clear difference between unintuitive and unpredictable

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:08 AM

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you are 144 fluke

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:08 AM

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<@&283468468592836608> ban

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:08 AM

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i mean in no other fight does using ddark make the ground disappear

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so why should it in this one

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other than to prevent you using ddark

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:09 AM

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because its a new boss fight, what else?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:09 AM

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and if you don't want people using ddark, don't let them use ddark

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:09 AM

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make ground under elderbug breakable

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:09 AM

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do you think you have to do it within what is in the game already?

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:09 AM

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yes

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:09 AM

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like thats such a blatantly tacked on mechanic

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:09 AM

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if you was making grimm for the first time as team cherry

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would you say "no, no add fire pillars because they are different from the game already"

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and i'm pretty sure that there are more ways to do it

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:10 AM

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kill simo

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:10 AM

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ddark isn't even a problem anyway

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soul gain will be ripped like 1/3 of the way through the fight

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its only shade cloak I care about

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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for share cloak you have even more solutions xD

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the easiest one is making projectiles black and glowing, like if they were immune to shade cloak

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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so the opposite of what black glowy stuff does

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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which fight?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:11 AM

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pure prince

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56's buffed version of pure vessel

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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what black glowy stuff

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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shade gates

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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shade gates

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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are yall testing it?

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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oh yeah

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exactly

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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nah we are discussing ideas

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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and they are easy to recognize

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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whats this about ddark

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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as they have an specific effect

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:12 AM

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and arguing about whether or not shade cloak is balanced apparently

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:13 AM

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pv doesn't recoil right

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:13 AM

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well, balanced or not i think you should work with what the game offers anyway

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if you dont like an ability you can punish it

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:13 AM

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I mean I might just give it a massive cooldown, and do a full screen attack once a minute

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:13 AM

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or make it useless by doing attacks around it

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again

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:13 AM

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that you need shade cloak to dodge

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:13 AM

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why

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thats garbage design

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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because you don't need shade cloak to dodge other stuff

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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have you guys even killed elderbug yet smh

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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don't use it

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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@cunning lagoon pv doesn't recoil right

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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you mean if ht etakes knockback?

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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yeah

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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i dont think he does no

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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ok good

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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rip heavy blow strats

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:14 AM

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i disabled that for lost lord cause knockback ruins everything

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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yeah its horrible

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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you doublehit like every second

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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stagger tho

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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no staggers

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❌

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stagger machine removed

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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big oof

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faster?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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staggers are fine but some bosses just feel really janky with the knockback they take

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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how to beat dlkurosh and his future childfen
what charms

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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faster ofc

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yeah

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:15 AM

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if you still remove shade cloak you wont ever learn to make a proper boss, just saying

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:16 AM

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like shriek sucking hornet towards you

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:16 AM

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remove shade cloak for what

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:16 AM

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or idk literally any boss that takes knockback

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pp

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:16 AM

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that abbreviation really makes me want to unalive

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:16 AM

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ill just make every attack obnoxiously slow

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so you have to time it correctly

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:16 AM

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your a knockback pp

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:17 AM

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do as you wish, if it works

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i gave you a lot of solutions

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its your first boss?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:17 AM

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what solutions 🤔

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:17 AM

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shutthup

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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for dd breakable platforms, falling ceiling for example
for shade cloak unpassable shaded attacks, big attacks, long attacks and spammed attacks (cd)

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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what's this argument about

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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lightbringer omggrub is a mod hollowface for pro ebic 🏆 videa gamers 👏 👏 👏

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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big / long aka obnoxiously slow

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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or alternatively we can just disable both and design the boss around an unupgraded player

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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also

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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and spammed attacks create visual clutter

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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it's a lazy solution but it works

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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by the same reason you say shade cloak is broken you can say the same thing about dash

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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unless you mean the same attack really fast

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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dash doesn't have 5 years of iframes

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dash just makes you move

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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you can just not use shade cloak on a lot of bosses

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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i forgot dash just let you ignore mechanics

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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yeah, you dont have to make a bullet hell but for example a wave of 3 attacks (the same attack) is not dodgeable with shade cloak

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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next person to say shade cloak is cut off nose

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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shade cloak

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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shade cloak

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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hi cut off nose

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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bye😰

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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im scenic

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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yeah but dash allows you to dodge everything anyway

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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yes but you actually have to use your brain to dodge things with your dash

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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shade cloak is mostly the iframes onto the dash

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:20 AM

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yes

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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you have to use your brain to dodge with the iframes too

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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no

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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no

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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that's the whole point

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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you press the button

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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you press dash and you are immune to damage

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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yes i quite like using normal dash to dodge the radiance sweep beam

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really my favourite

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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huh

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you guys have years of experience with shade cloak i see

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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...yes?

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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i think absrad is fine with shade cloak

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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absrad ofc but like most bosses

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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i cant use shade cloak by intuition? i have to use my brain to dodge attacks with it

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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also i think i have a decent amount of experience with shade cloak

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weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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and time them properly

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and not get hit because a bad shade cloak

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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i guess i need more hours

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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yeah but you can avoid using it for a lot of bosses

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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how do you have that many hours

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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we seem to have flipped

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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i leave the game on overnight

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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oh

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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repeatedly

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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to talking about not using shade cloak 🤔

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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does that constitute 5x my hours

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:22 AM

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probably

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i wouldn't be surprised

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i left it on for like 5 days without touching it once

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:23 AM

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this make me think

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that i should expose my game mechanics

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and find what you think

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and what would the best approach for them

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as i have more iframes and probably broken abilities in my game

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like there is an ability that is literally like crystal heart but in the air... but 3 dashes

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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remove the iframes is the best approach

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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i need the iframes

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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iframes makes stuff broken fast

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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i have stuff built around it

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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heres an idea, position correctly xd

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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xd

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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you need to go through stuff

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:24 AM

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that's why i thought they should let you turn off abilities in godseeker

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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do you want to discuss about them and see if there is something i can change?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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yeah i wish you could chjoose what you want to have

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and nail level and all that crap

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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unless you punish stuff harder than absrad and have less iframes than ddark

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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yeah

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rn it's pretty much just

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debug

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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yea

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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I mean theres not much to discuss

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iframes are almost always balanced around having a bunch of shit, or shit happen really fast

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so you either have a bunch of shit

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or it happens really fast

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or its easy

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:26 AM

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i mean it does depend on the boss

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:26 AM

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The game is built around big spaces and a lot of mobility, that said:

The dash is an early game ability and its 8 dir, it can break glass rocks
It has a LATE GAME upgrade called flash that allows the player to go through projectiles, enemies and walls

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these two first

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:26 AM

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absrad shade cloak is good

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ddark on absrad still ree

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:26 AM

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most people need shade cloak lol

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:26 AM

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i mean the timing isn't hard

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:26 AM

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inb4 "ddark on absrad is not broken bc you need to time it"

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:27 AM

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highly woke

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:27 AM

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ddark

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:27 AM

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i hear if you ddark into the absrad spikes you die

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:27 AM

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it must be true then

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:27 AM

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yeah but i mean, i'm not talking now about shade cloak, i said it other days but i'm working in a game for over a year and i have the mechanics set up, someone told me that the game could break up really easily if i dont take care about them

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so read above and check

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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you can balance having retarded amounts of iframes, your mechanics are just going to be bad

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i.e. dark souls

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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there are a lot more movement abilities

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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next person to use the word broken replaces verulean

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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ur mum broken

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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yay

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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hmm

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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why would it be broken if you work the game around it?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:28 AM

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ok but your game is balanced around said abilities

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hk isn't

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there are 2 bosses designed with the shade cloak in mind

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it breaks every single other boss

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:29 AM

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pure vessel is still better without shade cloak too

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imo

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:29 AM

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yeah

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:29 AM

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what is the other one that is not traitor lord?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:29 AM

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rad/absrad

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:29 AM

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just because you design your game to be balanced around something doesn't mean the mechanics aren't going to be ass and unfun

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look at for honor

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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thats why i'm asking

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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perfectly balanced, but parry windows are massive

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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it breaks them for people who are decent at the game

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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what is not fun for you

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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so its a win/win strategy to not attack

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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and what is not balanced for you

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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case in point, pv has an attack where he shoots a wide arc of darts and you are supposed to weave in between them

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you know what everyone does

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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most hollow knight players need it

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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shade cloak through them

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:30 AM

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iframes aren't fun, because the counter design to them is spam or unreactable stuff

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neither of which are interesting mechanics

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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ds has fun bosses with iframes imo

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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most ds bosses are fun

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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but the game is like 3000% more based around it than like hk

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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huh those are not the only designs to them

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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and ds is boringly easy

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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that's why you do challenge runs

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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you mean they arent fun because they make everything "dodgeable"?

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:31 AM

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challenge runs

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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anyone using dark theme as of 9:32 , Oct 5, 2018

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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its not even "dodgeable"

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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is fat

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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its free

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99% of the time you can be barely paying attention

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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you can just

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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and press roll pretty much whenever

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and still dodge

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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turn it off

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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thats god level of hk playing imo

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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like ds has literally retarded amounts of iframes

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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maggot

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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its disgusting

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:32 AM

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pretty sure you can do a hitless colosseum of fools with shade cloak..

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:33 AM

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i can...?

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:33 AM

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and most people still find it difficult

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:33 AM

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so you cant really say its unbalanced for all

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90% of the people that play the game in their first run wont even know when to shade cloak and will do it wrong

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:33 AM

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what if you had a son and his i frames were retarded and the other kids made fun of him, kdt

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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then hes retarded

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why can't he have like a normal amount of iframes

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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a decent amount of bosses in ds can be done without rolling

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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isn't it all

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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like father, like son 😎 , kdt

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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i think aura even did no sprint SoC

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:34 AM

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but really all of this is an absolute non issue for the overwhelming majority of people

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so there's no reason for tc to care

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:35 AM

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who cares about tc

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this is about hard modded bosses

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:35 AM

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yeah but the original context was for a mod too

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yeah

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:35 AM

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then just design it without needing shade cloak and do it without shade cloak

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if you're modding the game you have access to debug mod

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you can turn off abilitiws

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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but the point is to be hard for everyone who plays the mod

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and we were saying y/n to disabling shade cloak for everyone when they start the fight

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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then give a disclaimer to turn off shade cloak

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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but unless I design the boss to work around shade cloak, its bad design 🤔

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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but wyvern and such were saying disabling shade cloak is shit design

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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with the amounts of hours you have in hk you might need two different difficulties

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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is that what they were saying?

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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yes

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:36 AM

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as if we designed shade cloak and now have to deal with it

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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Why does thk's block sometimes stop the shade dash and sometimes lets it pass through?

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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designing around shade cloak doesnt necessarely makes it need shade cloak to pass it

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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then ignore them

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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got em

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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you can even check if the player has shade cloak and if yes use x pattern

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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why js everyone thonking my comment

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smh my head

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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and if he doesnt, dont use it

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or just a variation of the attack

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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i wish jumping existed

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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hahayes time to add more fsms to hk

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:37 AM

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📎 unknown.png

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:38 AM

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do it

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:38 AM

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mean

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:38 AM

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x bar

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:38 AM

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huh

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kdt, you seem to hate shade cloak so much for no reason

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:38 AM

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shhhhhh

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:38 AM

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kdt hates pretty much everything for no reason

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i think it's because he's from the uk

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:38 AM

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i will ask for feedback when he is not here i guess

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you guys think about hollow knight like a sport more than a game

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:39 AM

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i only hate things that are bad

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like fluke, dd

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:39 AM

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nope

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fluke is bad

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:39 AM

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if they don't want to use shade cloak to make it more fun there's nothing wrong with that...

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:40 AM

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but not shade cloak

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everyone hates fluke i think

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the wrong thing is removing shade cloak, not working or not around it

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:40 AM

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you don't have to take their dislike of shade cloak so personally

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:40 AM

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if they dont work around it, it can be easy

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:40 AM

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what if fluke was my only friend😡

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:40 AM

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if they work around it, it will be balanced

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:40 AM

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i can be your new only friend

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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if they balance it, it will be balanced

trim totem Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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they have no obligation to work around shade cloak

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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ah y

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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fluke is gross :<

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get a grub as a friend

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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they should just work around 144 damage flukenest

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then it'll be balanced

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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saving grubs is illegal sorry

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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ngg2 will have 20,000 hp to balance around fluke

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:41 AM

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lmao

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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you can nerf fluke if its bugged

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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nerf shade cloak by giving it 0 iframes

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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wait then

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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fluke isn't broken because if you are bad it won't let you hitless the colosseum

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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whats shade cloak now

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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you can nerf it to projectiles btw

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shade cloak is supposedly to be used on the doors

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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?

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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watt

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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shade gates

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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that was the first intention

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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i guess

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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yeah

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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yes i know what they mean by doors

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:42 AM

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the other thing is secoundary

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:43 AM

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the first reason TC added shade cloak was blackmoth elegy

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:43 AM

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i have a better idea

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:43 AM

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clearly the shade cloak was designed as a combat powerup as well, given that it gives you iframes for the entire duration of your dash 🤔

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:43 AM

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ill make every attack drop the fireballs as ngg moves

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so you can't dash through him

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or over him

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:43 AM

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random fireball rain

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:43 AM

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that could be a bit too repetitive?

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not sure what are the attacks yet

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:44 AM

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https://giant.gfycat.com/QueasyDownrightCutworm.webm

Gfycat

2018-10-04 17-47-43

▶ Play video

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:44 AM

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are the particles bugged?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:44 AM

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ah, purple rectangle, my favourite boss fight

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:44 AM

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looks different from the unity version he showed last time

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:44 AM

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not anymore

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in that version yes

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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oh i see

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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the main particle was being sorted behind the bg

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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wheres elderbug

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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dead

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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he's beneath the stag station fool

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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lmao

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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theres a few more attacks to code

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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i actually laughed at that

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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a dive like soul tyrant, and a bullet hell

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:45 AM

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that sounds cool

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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and grimm child spamming shit at you

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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wdym sad it was a good joke

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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i like bullet hell attacks

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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blocked but styll responding GWchadMEGATHINK

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/485600877713817620/unknown.png @native wing here he is

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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i actually laughed at 56 doing p5

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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it's his new home

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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imagine shade cloak in touhou

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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oh so did i

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especially when he died to xero

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twice

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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xero is actually hard tbh

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:46 AM

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no

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just shade cloak through the nails

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hollowface

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:47 AM

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xero? hard?

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:47 AM

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𝍃

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:47 AM

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but

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:47 AM

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but you need to be smart about using shade cloak????

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:47 AM

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you can pass xero even without dashing, just moving and jumping

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:47 AM

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what if theres no floor

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:47 AM

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damn maybe if they designed it with shade cloak in mind

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it would be balanced

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:48 AM

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hug wall, crystal heart to other wall

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:48 AM

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excuse me

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WHAT

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:48 AM

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dont repeat my words just because you find them funny

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:<

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:48 AM

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it'd probably fuckup streaming if you had shade cloak in touhou

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:48 AM

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my words
my words
my words
my words

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:48 AM

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hahahs

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haha

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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shade cloak wouldnt work on a touhou game, just that xD

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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hk is the dark souls of touhou

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dungo

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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furi

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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no

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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furi

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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nonono

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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furi

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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banned

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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furi

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:49 AM

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bullet hell game with ability that lets you dash through attacks

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works quite well

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:50 AM

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well

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i mean

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:50 AM

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is 3000 hp too much

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:50 AM

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the touhou games that are designed around not having it i mean

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:50 AM

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kurosh how much hp

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:50 AM

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it depends on how hittable he is

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:50 AM

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lost lord but without the attack you said was easy

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:50 AM

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3k is fine for something as hittable as normal pv

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bc he'll die quickly anyway

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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lost lord?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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but if this boss barely leaves you openings to attack then you'd have to reduce it

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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give lost lord a final attack that's just him spawning infection globs for like 2 minutes straight hollowomg

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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lost kin buff

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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so what im trying to say is don't think about the hp yet

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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but like what do i set to for now

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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2000

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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3k is fine for testing

native wing Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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hp🤔

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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oh, that reminds me that i'm still designing the attacks for the radiant mantis lords

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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if it's a boss you don't hit often like NKG then like 1600 might work well tbh

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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and there is one quite unfair

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:51 AM

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i imagine that the fight (ideally) wouldn't be longer than 2 minutes right?

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lost lord and mantis gods are both around a minute

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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make absrad buff called "Blinding Radiance"

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intenseface

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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idk how long it will be yet

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i can balance hp later

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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i meant pp

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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pp?

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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pp hard

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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pure prince

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pale prince*

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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@weary stream https://youtu.be/gRxD8hIskYw

YouTube

DL Kurosh

Hollow Knight - Lost Lord hitless - Old Nail only (no spells)

sick

▶ Play video

#

e

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:52 AM

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damn that guy is pretty good

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how does he dodge everything

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:53 AM

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😩

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:53 AM

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lost lord radiant no damage

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:53 AM

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honestly it would be cool if he occasionally spawned infection that rose up from the ground while he was attacking you tbh

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:53 AM

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that's pretty good but you never cdash in this video

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:53 AM

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lost lord no 🅱🅱ark 😩

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:53 AM

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@copper nacelle thats a custom boss right

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:53 AM

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actually tc were working on balancing shade cloak

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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i mean it's modded a ton but like not entirely re-made like kdt's doing

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https://github.com/5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord/blob/master/LostLord/Kin.cs

GitHub

5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord

Contribute to 5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord development by creating an account on GitHub.

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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ah yeah

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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what is KDT doing to what

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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kdt is remaking nkg for ngg2

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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kdt has been working on ngg2

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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oh nice

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is he actually fair zote

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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well technically i'm remaking mantis lords aswell, but directly on my game instead of hollow knight

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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he seems to be good as fuck

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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the purpose is not to add it to hollow knight so..

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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does this look like garbage

📎 unknown.png

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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i do not understand that drawing

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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same

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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is this football

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:54 AM

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it was intented to be to test the combat demo

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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i want to remake Radiance

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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blue is like orbs moving to the right constantly

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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looks decent

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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and oyu have a another row moving to the left constatnly

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and oyu have orbs falling from above

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and 1/3rd of screen is a garbage laser

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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yes

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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OyU what's this

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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give ngg2 an attack that just fucking blocks off half the arena

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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although

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

#

ouya

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:55 AM

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making both edges garbage lasers

#

that slowly shrinks the playable area would be cooler

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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and

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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honestly i was thinking MGRR's final boss fight

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

#

the question is

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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where he just traps you in a tiny corner of the arena

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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what do you get after you finish ngg2?

#

if you beat him?

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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large peen

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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shade crystal heart through walls?

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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nothing

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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a sense of pride and accomplishment

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

#

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

#

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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normally you have to pay big money for that

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:56 AM

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:<

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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numpad gay

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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none of the modded bosses give you anything

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except lost lord i guess

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that's like

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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they are just there for fun

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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100 essence or something

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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and for the challenge

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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^

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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essence lmao

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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which is why we want to make them hard

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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lmao just kill maskflies

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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hollowwoke

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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make hornet appear and say some tsundere thing

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 1:57 AM

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"i am void uwu"

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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@copper nacelle how 2 modify bosses

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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look at this https://github.com/5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord/blob/master/LostLord/Kin.cs

GitHub

5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord

Contribute to 5FiftySix6/HollowKnight.Lost-Lord development by creating an account on GitHub.

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you want to get the go

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get the fsms

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modify them

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the end

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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"You did well ghost but I could've done better, try next time without that dark dash of yours"

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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just make your own

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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or be kdt yeah

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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fsms gay

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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yes

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:58 AM

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i find easier to remake bosses than to make modifications of them tbh

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it looks like only a few things are required to make them enemies i think

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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how to modify the FSMs

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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the trick here is i can't unity

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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why not?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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you need a healthmanager

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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cause idk how to do anything

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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and a damages_hero

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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unity is quite intuitive, you can learn a lot from tutorials and stuff

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or ask for help

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you can get the hang of it in under a month

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 1:59 AM

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:effort:

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i can just modify fsms

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:00 AM

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alternatively you can grind ig for a month and maybe beat my score

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:00 AM

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i'm not interested in grinding ig

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:<

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my best is 2k

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pretty sad

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:00 AM

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2k is pretty good

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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i think i need 30k to enter hard mode right?

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i'm quite far from it

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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no it's just a setting

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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no you just turn it on in the options

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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ye but ngg is only like 200 lines of code

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and half of it is just me fixing my animations

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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how much is ngg2

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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i meant ngg2

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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oh ok

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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ngg1 is like way more

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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i'm pretty sure mantis lords arent too much

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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300 atleast

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:01 AM

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https://puu.sh/BFRHx.png

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this is mostly

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:02 AM

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that looks like a pain to reimplement

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and i've seen that before

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:02 AM

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its actually pretty easy

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:02 AM

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it's how i modded them

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:02 AM

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why would it be hard?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:02 AM

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this is like 1/4 of my code

📎 unknown.png

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:02 AM

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the hardest part is the animations

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let me see if i can get the gif going

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are weightered values probably of attacks?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:03 AM

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yes

#

    public class Weighterizer
    {
        public class WeightedValue
        {
            public Attacks attack;
            public string animName;
            public float chance;

            public WeightedValue(Attacks a, string aName, float c){
                attack = a;
                animName = aName;
                chance = c;
            }
        }

        public static WeightedValue GetRandomValue(List<WeightedValue> list){
            float sum = 0;
            foreach (WeightedValue wv in list)
                sum += wv.chance;
            System.Random r = new System.Random ();
            float rand = (float)r.NextDouble () * sum;
            foreach (WeightedValue wv in list) {
                rand -= wv.chance;
                if (rand <= 0)
                    return wv;
            }
            return list [0];
        }

    }

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    public void AnimEnd(){
        anim.gameObject.SetActive (false);
        Weighterizer.WeightedValue wv = Weighterizer.GetRandomValue (attackDict [lastAttack] );
        float d = delays [lastAttack];
        lastAttack = wv.attack;
        StartCoroutine(delayedAnimPlayback(wv.animName, d));
    }

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:03 AM

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are weightered values probably of attacks?

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

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thats what i asked

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xD

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

#

.

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

#

.

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

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.<

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

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i was like damn is this the elusive verulean typo?

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

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looks fine, but you should make a state machine for the attacks

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or the ais

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

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@copper nacelle how code

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:04 AM

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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/

C# Reference

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 2:05 AM

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how code if you know literally nothing about coding

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:05 AM

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I have a state machine, nkg just isn't complicated enough for me to be bothered to use it

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:05 AM

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yeah but is it finite

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:05 AM

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fennel used it

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no its an infinite state machine 🤔

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Ok

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:05 AM

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it can be literally anything

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:05 AM

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infinite egg machine

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:06 AM

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actually make this a mod

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i want to hit egg machines forever

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gives me a reward for qga practice

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 2:06 AM

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e g g m a c h i n e

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:06 AM

#

but yeah considering this is the extent of the logic running per frame

    void Update () {
        if (!inDelay) {
            if (lastAttack == Attacks.Dive && time == 0)
                LookTowards (720);
            if (lastAttack != Attacks.Dive)
                transform.eulerAngles = new Vector3 (0, 0, 0);
        
            time += Time.deltaTime;
            if (lastAttack == Attacks.Uppercut) {
                speed = new Vector3 (0, 0, 0);
                if (time >= 43.0f / 60.0f && time <= 63.0f / 60.0f)
                    speed = new Vector3 (18, 0, 0);
                if (time >= 65.0f / 60.0f)
                    speed = new Vector3 (3, 20, 0);
            }
            if (lastAttack == Attacks.Pillars) {
                speed = new Vector3 (0, 0, 0);
            }
            if (lastAttack == Attacks.Fireballs) {
                speed = new Vector3 (0, 0, 0);
            }
            if (lastAttack == Attacks.Dash && time >= 20f / 60.0f)
                speed = new Vector3 (55, 0, 0);

            speed = new Vector3 (speed.x * (facing ? 1 : -1), speed.y, 0);

            if (lastAttack == Attacks.Dive && time >= 24f / 60f) {
                speed = transform.up * -25;
                if (transform.position.y < floorPos && !inDelay) {
                    StartCoroutine(delayedAnimPlayback ("dive-land", 0));
                    lastAttack = Attacks.Dash;
                }
            }

            transform.position += speed * Time.deltaTime;
        }
    }

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a state machine is probably overkill

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:06 AM

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sharex giving 123012390 errors now for some reason

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void update?

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lol

#

you really need to use coroutines and state machines

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:07 AM

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nah we don't have a release date for hornet update yet

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:07 AM

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I think my state machine is longer than this

#

    public class State
    {
        public int id = -1;

        public virtual void OnEnter(AI ai){
            ai.onChangeRandomNumber = UnityEngine.Random.Range(0, 1);
            ai.lastStateChange = Time.time;
            ai.SetAnimID (id);
            ai.canTurn = false;
            ai.showAfterimage = ai.buffed;
        }
        public virtual void OnStay(AI ai){
            if (ai.canTurn) {
                if (!ai.facing && ai.target.position.x > ai.transform.position.x) {
                    ai.transform.localScale = new Vector3 (-ai.size.x, ai.size.y, 1);
                    ai.facing = !ai.facing;
                }
                if (ai.facing && ai.target.position.x < ai.transform.position.x) {
                    ai.transform.localScale = new Vector3 (ai.size.x, ai.size.y, 1);
                    ai.facing = !ai.facing;
                }
            }
            if (ai.showAfterimage) {
                ai.afterimageTimer += Time.deltaTime;
                if (ai.afterimageTimer > 8/60) {
                    ai.afterimageTimer -= 8/60;
                    ai.afterimages [ai.afterimageIndex].GetComponent<SpriteRenderer> ().sprite = ai.sr.sprite;
                    ai.afterimages [ai.afterimageIndex].transform.position = ai.transform.position;
                    ai.afterimages [ai.afterimageIndex].transform.localScale = ai.transform.localScale;
                    ai.afterimages [ai.afterimageIndex].GetComponent<AfterimageFader> ().BeginFade ();
                    ai.afterimageIndex++;
                    ai.afterimageIndex = (byte) (ai.afterimageIndex % ai.afterimages.Length);
                }
            }
        }
        public virtual void OnExit(AI ai){
            if (ai.currentState != this)
            {
                ai.lastStateChange = Time.time;
            }
        }
        public virtual void OnAnimEnd(AI ai){
        }

    }

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:07 AM

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you dont need such a big code for a simple state machine

#

you can set up the current coroutine in a variable and set a new one with an enum

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:08 AM

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you know what they say about people with big code

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:08 AM

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it's how you use it

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:08 AM

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what do you mean?

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:08 AM

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oh yeah setting up coroutines to neaten up my 20 line update function

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i'm sure whoever has to maintain this shit after me will love me for it

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:09 AM

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XD

#

it might not be good for 20 lines of code but it will grow up

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:10 AM

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then ill use my state machine code 🤔

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:10 AM

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you can always use fsms (?)

#

i'm joking, dont kill me

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:11 AM

#

thats how fennel worked

📎 State.cs

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📎 Fennel_AI.cs

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but theres really no reason for me to bother with this for something that doesn't really need that much logic

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:12 AM

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i dont want to blame you but that looks like spagethi code

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and not actually a real state machine

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:13 AM

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nah real state machines are sphagetti

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:13 AM

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xDD

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:13 AM

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having transition objects and shit

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nah dawg

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:13 AM

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playmaker is quite good for state machines tho

#

sharex is on holidays it seems

#

i cant upload gifs

#

gonna make a video

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:14 AM

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ScreenToGif

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:14 AM

#

playmaker is good, but this is sphagetti 🤔

#

considering this works the same way playmaker does

#

but with like way less objects

#

and thus way better

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:15 AM

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its puush what doesnt upload

#

not the app itself

#

xD

#

you still have a lot of work

#

like me, i'm not even really focusing in the fight, i still have to finish my new attack animations

#

this is what i have so far of radiant mantis lords, i need to change this pattern yet

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5vSKxCwnIA&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

x Wyvern x

Radiant Mantis Test

▶ Play video

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the diagonal attack didnt look good enough (it doesnt attack correctly yet, its supposed to attack the hero not the center of the area)

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:18 AM

#

sure looks legal

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:19 AM

#

any ideas to improve that attack pattern with only 1 mantis btw?

#

i want to set up a second mantis for the phase 2

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:26 AM

#

isn't ripping assets 200% illegal

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:26 AM

#

what is the problem of using them as a place holder?

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:27 AM

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oh place holders

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:27 AM

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people keep saying that

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:27 AM

#

just use boxes lol

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:27 AM

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i will need to put something on screen like "PLACEHOLDER ART"

#

boxes dont work to work with aesthetics

#

i'm working with aesthetics on my combat

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:27 AM

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help i have over 5gb of hk save backups

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and i don't even want them

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:27 AM

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boxes are awful

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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it just makes 2k

#

by itself

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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that's ur problem

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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people keep asking about that yet

#

i guess you guys dont know about aesthetics at all

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

#

circled grey shit is all hk save backups

📎 unknown.png

#

please send help

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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is it just on specific save files

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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nope

#

all 4

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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honestly you should just code like this

📎 anti-tetris.cns

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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wow is that your motherboard

weary stream Oct 6, 2018, 2:28 AM

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gonna be doing other stuff

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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what the fuck 56

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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it's not like i want them

#

the game makes them by itself

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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how many gb is that

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:29 AM

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it was like 4

#

i just deleted 2.3

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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is it actively creating more backups or is it just rotating out like a list of a couple hundred per save

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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actively creating more

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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wtf

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:30 AM

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i had like 4.6k

#

rn user1 has 2.2k

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

#

delete everything

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

#

make an ahk script that deletes every save when you start your computer

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

#

see what happens if you delete all backups then save once in game

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

#

goodbye

📎 unknown.png

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

#

doesn't the game only keep 4 backups

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:31 AM

#

that's what it should be doing

#

kurosh this doesn't happen to you right

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:32 AM

#

oh does your save thing in QoL break that?

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:32 AM

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it really shouldn't

#

i don't change anything

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:32 AM

#

it really shouldn't take more than 5 mins

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:32 AM

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don't you use qol

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:32 AM

#

no i have a bunch of saves but nowhere near 5k

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:32 AM

#

like 1k or anything

#

or just like 8 backups

#

like _1.3.1.5 and _1.2.2.1 and stuff

#

also literally all i do on save

📎 unknown.png

#

i save to json

#

don't touch .dat

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:33 AM

#

nah just like 10 or something

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:33 AM

#

yo try saving in game and see what happens

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:33 AM

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ok

#

1/save

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:35 AM

#

also yes i use qol

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:35 AM

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every time i bench it makes one

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:35 AM

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never bench lmao

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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📎 unknown.png

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

#

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:36 AM

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it doesn't make .bak1-4

#

idk why

#

only 5-infinity

#

lemme record a gif

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

#

ayylmao

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:37 AM

#

same

#

@hazy sentinel https://streamable.com/ldnn5

Streamable

help - Streamable

▶ Play video

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:39 AM

#

forbid that folder

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:39 AM

#

but that's normal

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:39 AM

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except when you want to save

#

problem solved

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:40 AM

#

normal GWchadMEGATHINK

#

normal doesn't go past 4

#

if i did this 2k times

#

i'd go to 2k

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:40 AM

#

yeah the number increases but the number of backup files doesn't

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:40 AM

#

inb4 he doesn't have delete perms for that folder

#

only create

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:40 AM

#

whatmst've the fuck

#

it was creating 5k before

#

i even have a picture

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:41 AM

#

🤔

#

📎 unknown.png

#

spoilers

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:42 AM

#

@hazy sentinel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/493633426390515732/unknown.png

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

#

was it like this on user2/3/4

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

#

yeah

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

#

did you play on user2/3/4 on 1.4.2.1

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

#

yes

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:43 AM

#

1421 GWchadMEGATHINK

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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yeah they didn't disable infinite save backups for that patch

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

#

that's the google pixel patch

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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and then i told graig

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

#

what

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

#

and then jack vine fixed it

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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oh ok

#

no more 5 billion backups

#

pog

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

#

jack vine 💦

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

#

am i being pranked

#

what version is 1.4.2.1

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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alpha

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

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the gog leak version probably

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

#

but not

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

#

oh i see

#

hah thats what youi get for playing the leaked version

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

#

youi.png

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:45 AM

#

<@&283468468592836608>

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

#

🖕

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

#

rude

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:46 AM

#

wait

#

orange <@&283468468592836608>

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

#

good job you hacked discord

#

<@&283547423706447872>s

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

#

<@&283468468592836608>

#

gg

leaden hedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

#

banned

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

#

<@&309837968875585540>

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

#

<@&328354344313421825>

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:47 AM

#

now make it persist through discord refresh

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

#

<@&328354344313421825>

#

woke

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

#

e

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

#

how can we use these powers for evil

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

#

ree <@&283468468592836608>

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:48 AM

#

huh

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

<@&328354344313421825>

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

hey <@&328354344313421825> can we get a delete on the ping below?

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

<@&327844709244469261>

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

| || || |_

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

oh team cherry isnt pingable

#

lame

#

@Team Cherry

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

do it right

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

@team cherry

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

GWchadMEGATHINK

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

<@&283468468592836608>

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

@teamcherry

#

@copper nacelle hacked

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

asd

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

<@&328354344313421825>

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

<@&283547423706447872>

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:49 AM

#

@here

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

#

<@&283547423706447872>

#

oh wait

#

shit

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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how do you ping tc

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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gj

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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lmao

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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notlikequirrel

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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wait i dont think its pingable

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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nice

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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no it defo is

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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uh oh you are getting banned

royal ridge Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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um

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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well they're all chill anyways

royal ridge Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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can you like not

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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wait benji look at this

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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maggot

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:50 AM

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<@&283468468592836608>

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green admins

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Doesn’t work on mobile lol

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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also no ping notif with edited messages

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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mobile doesn't work on mobile

unborn badger Oct 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Being a good app doesn’t work on mobile

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:51 AM

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what about zote run

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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is this a discord injections thing?

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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fr how do you ping tc

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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the different colored pings I mean

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:52 AM

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it doesnty show up for me

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@Team Cherry

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it just doesnt work

hazy sentinel Oct 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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move speedrunner above TC

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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@Muted

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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unfair

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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<@&302535068759621632>

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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hacker

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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56 cheats

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:53 AM

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is it that number string

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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yeah

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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@brisk mist

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what

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is that you

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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use &

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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pete is gonna be scared every time he tries this meme now

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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<&num>

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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<&497964628773437451>

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??

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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<@&302535068759621632>

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@ before the &

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<@&num>

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:54 AM

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<@&497964628773437451>

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ok

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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that's not the right number

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right click and copy doesn't work

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muted is 302535068759621632

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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how the fuck do you get the goddamn number

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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<&159242762082844672>

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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<@&283547423706447872>

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oh

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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<@&302535068759621632>

cunning lagoon Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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does it work

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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no

hollow pier Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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how do you get the number

copper nacelle Oct 6, 2018, 2:55 AM

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it's like <@&328354344313421825>

compact sedge Oct 6, 2018, 2:56 AM

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<@&159242762082844672>